Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
sol wrote: > Well, that is extremely interesting as I had never heard of anyone consuming > bentonite clay, unless they inhaled some while cleaning the catbox! > However, I am violently allergic to iodine, yet worry whether the total > lack of it in my diet for the last 17 years is causing harm. > Where would one get food grade bentonite clay? > Also, if you drink/ eat salty stuff at or near the time you take your CS > does the CS react with salt in the stomach to form silver chloride? (Sorry > if that is terminally dumb!) It is of the opinion of most here that the actual CS does not react with the HCl in the stomach, but that any ionic does. Then most of the silver chloride precipitates out in the stomach. Not a dumb question at all. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
"SilverMedicine.org" wrote: > Bill: > > I've corresponded with three individuals over the last year who have > developed Argyria, and I'm aware of two other cases. > > The two other cases were caused by Mild Silver Protein. One was caused by > the mass consumption of poorly made silver chloride for five years daily. > One actually posted to the list earlier this year, and the mild Argyria was > caused by Water Oz. The third was also caused by consuming Mild Silver > Protein. > We all know that MSP and silver chloride can cause argyria. Do you know of any that have ever gotten it from real CS? > > Not everyone, apparently, is at the same level of risk for Argyria. > > I don't consider ten drops of CS excessive use, even undiluted. I don't either, nor even an ounce. But if you are talking about silver chloride or MSP, that is another story. > The > individual whom developed severe Argyria consumed either eight or sixteen > ounces of CS daily, religously, for five years. Huh? I though they all consumed either a silver salt or MSP. Did you have one that consumed true CS? Was it true electrolytically made CS made with distilled water? (If it was made with tap or spring water, then we would be back to the silver salts again). Do you have any additional details on this one? Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
It is not likely the gray elbows were Argyria; that is believed to be irreversible. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Tom & Mary McFadden [mailto:m...@axs4u.net] Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 8:37 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS I have been using 80PPM CS for two years now, at least thats what I think it is as I have no PPM meter. I usually take an ounce in am and Pm also. So far I have not turned any other color . I did have a client who started using CS and she got grey patches on her elbows, however when she cut back the grey went away. I later found out that she was taking all kinds of drugs for something and I am sure that caused a reaction. In two and a half years of using CS she is the only one who had trouble and she is still using CS today. Tom ---Original Message--- From: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, September 29, 2002 08:02:54 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re:CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS There seems to be a major shift in philosophy developing here. Until this discussion began, the dominant Silver List thought was that CS could NOT cause arygria. Now we are hearing that high strength CS CAN cause argyria. Is there any evidence to support this contention? I have been consuming Microdyn CS, whatever its strength is, for six years, at times heavily, straight out of the bottle into my mouth. During a bout of Australian flu three years ago, I drank 10 drops of Microdyn every hour, right out of the bottle, for three straight days. (There were elderly people dying in NYC from that flu, and I didn't want to be one of them.) Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily. I have never had any adverse reactions to this practice, and consider Microdyn safe for consumption undiluted. If I turn blue, I'll let you know. So far the only part of me that's blue is my eyes. - Original Message - From: "Reid Harvey" To: "silver list" Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:55 PM Subject: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS > Dear Jason, > Thanks for your very thoughtful message. I can see your point that it > would be best for concentrated CS to be administered by a doctor. But > how ironic that the vast majority of otherwise-reliable, western > educated doctors would appear to tend not to accept the validity of CS, > also the victims of the dis-information. > > You asked about the possibility of my having a comparison done on the > high ppm CS I make, to see how effective it really is, and I will hope > to do that at some point in the future. But at present I use this CS > primarily to saturate ceramic candle filters, all of which have tested > 100% removal of fecal coliforms. I use the high ppm secondarily for > various treatments on my family while traveling, 'where there is no > doctor.' > > For example, my wife Catherine had a very nasty bout of strep throat > while we were in a Nepali game park, far from any clinic. She had had > this kind of severe strep several times before, only going to the doctor > after it hit her like a ton of bricks, and each time she'd go on > antibiotics and be laid up in bed for nearly a week. While in the game > park, when seh finally admitted that it was severe strep (her throat > red) we put her on a careful regime of the labelled-3200ppm Microdyn, > diluted to ~20ppm, a 200ml. glass every four hours. By the second glass > she was already feeling better and no further bed rest was indicated, so > she didn't miss out on any of the fun activities of the family. (We > subsequently rode an elephant out to a place where we could watch > rhinos.) > > It would be interesting to know how Mexicans fare at the business of > self treatment with Microdyn. I suppose I have not tuned in sooner to > your concern about improper dosage simply because, CS in any shape or > form is considered improper by most doctors, misquided as their > viewpoint may be. So it may appear that the laymen need to hazard their > own dosing, dependent on their own good instincts in seeking proper > advice. Of course your concern about a doctor's supervision would > extend to many kinds of remedies and not
Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
AS a fairly new person to the list, I have an observation. The "Subject" shown in this particular message has been around since I joined the list. However, the actual topic has been changed multiple times. If possible, can we change the subject line when the subject changes? I receive hundreds of e-mails a day. When I see the same subject line over and over, I have a tendency to delete. I have a feeling I have missed some good messages. I think this might be helpful. However, I could be wrong. Rick Johnson AOL IM "Rebelfire77" Conservative Christian News Network ccnn-subscr...@injesus.com = God's love for poor sinners is very wonderful, but God's patience with ill-natured saints is a deeper mystery. GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
Bill Missett wrote: > There seems to be a major shift in philosophy developing here. Until this > discussion began, the dominant Silver List thought was that CS could NOT > cause arygria. Now we are hearing that high strength CS CAN cause argyria. > Is there any evidence to support this contention? I am not certain it has shifted. The problem is likely that the 500 ppm CS that is sold is really not cs, but MSP, and we do know that msp can cause argyria. So if you call 500 ppm msp colloial silver, then yes it can, but if you say it is not really CS, then I know of no known cases of it causing argyria. I do believe that silver can deposit in growing tissue even when using fairly large quantities of low ppm CS. I have evidence of this in my finger nails which are now growing out, and a blue area is growing out with them from when I was drinking quarts a day for something for a week or so. There are also reports of gray hair darkening when taking CS, which is likely do to the same thing, since hair and fingernails are almost identical composition. Now that tends to raise the questions of whether some deposit may end up when something is healing. I have never heard any evidence of this, but it does seem possible. > > > I have been consuming Microdyn CS, whatever its strength is, for six years, > at times heavily, straight out of the bottle into my mouth. > > During a bout of Australian flu three years ago, I drank 10 drops of > Microdyn every hour, right out of the bottle, for three straight days. > (There were elderly people dying in NYC from that flu, and I didn't want to > be one of them.) > > Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite > clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily. > > I have never had any adverse reactions to this practice, and consider > Microdyn safe for consumption undiluted. > > If I turn blue, I'll let you know. So far the only part of me that's blue is > my eyes. The only place I have seen it show up is in the finger nails, and darkening of the hair. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
I just read the last half of your message, and I dont think that's a bad observation at all (about mixing CS and salt). It may even be true. But it goes beyond what happens in the stomach, for I mix the two together in a base mix which often takes months to deplete. Maybe I am making silver chloride by doing so. It certainly is worth thinking about. However, the issue is one best addressed by some of the finer minds on this list, for my chemistry expertise is very limited. Non-existent would be more accurate. - Original Message - From: "sol" To: Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 3:33 PM Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS > Well, that is extremely interesting as I had never heard of anyone consuming > bentonite clay, unless they inhaled some while cleaning the catbox! > However, I am violently allergic to iodine, yet worry whether the total > lack of it in my diet for the last 17 years is causing harm. > Where would one get food grade bentonite clay? > Also, if you drink/ eat salty stuff at or near the time you take your CS > does the CS react with salt in the stomach to form silver chloride? (Sorry > if that is terminally dumb!) > again, TIA, > paula > -- > mailto: pcar...@wyoming.com > "--when you haven't any other place to step, it doesn't matter which foot > lands in the sh** first." -Heris Serrano > - Original Message - > From: "Bill Missett" > > > > I drink very mild mixture, with pure unprocessed sea salt for the 82 > > minerals and trace elements it contains, and bentonite clay to detox and > > cleanse liver and kidneys. (The mix is two tablespoons of each in two > > liters of water, with two tablespoons of the mix diluted in two liters of > > fresh water, so it is a very mild dose.) > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
Bentonite clay is used primarily (in the U.S. anyway) for facial clay beauty pack application, because of its well-known ability to cleanse and detox through its high absorption characteristic (which is the same way it deodorizes cat boxes). I use a variety made for beauty use, because it is ground to an extremely fine powder. - Original Message - From: "sol" To: Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 3:33 PM Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS > Well, that is extremely interesting as I had never heard of anyone consuming > bentonite clay, unless they inhaled some while cleaning the catbox! > However, I am violently allergic to iodine, yet worry whether the total > lack of it in my diet for the last 17 years is causing harm. > Where would one get food grade bentonite clay? > Also, if you drink/ eat salty stuff at or near the time you take your CS > does the CS react with salt in the stomach to form silver chloride? (Sorry > if that is terminally dumb!) > again, TIA, > paula > -- > mailto: pcar...@wyoming.com > "--when you haven't any other place to step, it doesn't matter which foot > lands in the sh** first." -Heris Serrano > - Original Message - > From: "Bill Missett" > > > > I drink very mild mixture, with pure unprocessed sea salt for the 82 > > minerals and trace elements it contains, and bentonite clay to detox and > > cleanse liver and kidneys. (The mix is two tablespoons of each in two > > liters of water, with two tablespoons of the mix diluted in two liters of > > fresh water, so it is a very mild dose.) > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
Well, that is extremely interesting as I had never heard of anyone consuming bentonite clay, unless they inhaled some while cleaning the catbox! However, I am violently allergic to iodine, yet worry whether the total lack of it in my diet for the last 17 years is causing harm. Where would one get food grade bentonite clay? Also, if you drink/ eat salty stuff at or near the time you take your CS does the CS react with salt in the stomach to form silver chloride? (Sorry if that is terminally dumb!) again, TIA, paula -- mailto: pcar...@wyoming.com "--when you haven't any other place to step, it doesn't matter which foot lands in the sh** first." -Heris Serrano - Original Message - From: "Bill Missett" > I drink very mild mixture, with pure unprocessed sea salt for the 82 > minerals and trace elements it contains, and bentonite clay to detox and > cleanse liver and kidneys. (The mix is two tablespoons of each in two > liters of water, with two tablespoons of the mix diluted in two liters of > fresh water, so it is a very mild dose.) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
Bill: In my opinion, correct! However, that said, I'm not exactly certain what Microdyn is, as I've never researched it. High PPM colloidal silvers are rarely "isolated" silver... Usually they are compounds, either silver salts or silver proteins. The higher the PPM, the harder it is to stabilize CS without some sort of stabilizer. Jason - Original Message - From: "Bill Missett" To: Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 10:48 AM Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS > But silver chloride and mild silver protein are not true collodial silver, > correct? > > - Original Message - > From: "SilverMedicine.org" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 12:24 PM > Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS > > > > Bill: > > > > I've corresponded with three individuals over the last year who have > > developed Argyria, and I'm aware of two other cases. > > > > The two other cases were caused by Mild Silver Protein. One was caused by > > the mass consumption of poorly made silver chloride for five years daily. > > One actually posted to the list earlier this year, and the mild Argyria > was > > caused by Water Oz. The third was also caused by consuming Mild Silver > > Protein. > > > > Not everyone, apparently, is at the same level of risk for Argyria. > > > > I don't consider ten drops of CS excessive use, even undiluted. The > > individual whom developed severe Argyria consumed either eight or sixteen > > ounces of CS daily, religously, for five years. > > > > Those who consume bentonite regularly will likely have a metabolism that > is > > more capable of processing any number of toxic substances used in the > body; > > the body's elimination system is well cared for with such a habit, and > liver > > functions are greatly supported. > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Jason > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Bill Missett" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 6:02 AM > > Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS > > > > > > > There seems to be a major shift in philosophy developing here. Until > this > > > discussion began, the dominant Silver List thought was that CS could NOT > > > cause arygria. Now we are hearing that high strength CS CAN cause > > argyria. > > > Is there any evidence to support this contention? > > > > > > I have been consuming Microdyn CS, whatever its strength is, for six > > years, > > > at times heavily, straight out of the bottle into my mouth. > > > > > > During a bout of Australian flu three years ago, I drank 10 drops of > > > Microdyn every hour, right out of the bottle, for three straight days. > > > (There were elderly people dying in NYC from that flu, and I didn't want > > to > > > be one of them.) > > > > > > Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite > > > clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily. > > > > > > I have never had any adverse reactions to this practice, and consider > > > Microdyn safe for consumption undiluted. > > > > > > If I turn blue, I'll let you know. So far the only part of me that's > blue > > is > > > my eyes. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Reid Harvey" > > > To: "silver list" > > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:55 PM > > > Subject: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jason, > > > > Thanks for your very thoughtful message. I can see your point that it > > > > would be best for concentrated CS to be administered by a doctor. But > > > > how ironic that the vast majority of otherwise-reliable, western > > > > educated doctors would appear to tend not to accept the validity of > CS, > > > > also the victims of the dis-information. > > > > > > > > You asked about the possibility of my having a comparison done on the > > > > high ppm CS I make, to see how effective it really is, and I will hope > > > > to do that at some point in the future. But at present I use this CS > > > > primarily to saturate ceramic candle filters, all of which have tested > > > > 100% removal of fecal coliforms. I use the high ppm secondarily for > > > > various treatments on my family while traveling, 'wh
Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
But silver chloride and mild silver protein are not true collodial silver, correct? - Original Message - From: "SilverMedicine.org" To: Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 12:24 PM Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS > Bill: > > I've corresponded with three individuals over the last year who have > developed Argyria, and I'm aware of two other cases. > > The two other cases were caused by Mild Silver Protein. One was caused by > the mass consumption of poorly made silver chloride for five years daily. > One actually posted to the list earlier this year, and the mild Argyria was > caused by Water Oz. The third was also caused by consuming Mild Silver > Protein. > > Not everyone, apparently, is at the same level of risk for Argyria. > > I don't consider ten drops of CS excessive use, even undiluted. The > individual whom developed severe Argyria consumed either eight or sixteen > ounces of CS daily, religously, for five years. > > Those who consume bentonite regularly will likely have a metabolism that is > more capable of processing any number of toxic substances used in the body; > the body's elimination system is well cared for with such a habit, and liver > functions are greatly supported. > > Kind Regards, > > Jason > > ----- Original Message - > From: "Bill Missett" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 6:02 AM > Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS > > > > There seems to be a major shift in philosophy developing here. Until this > > discussion began, the dominant Silver List thought was that CS could NOT > > cause arygria. Now we are hearing that high strength CS CAN cause > argyria. > > Is there any evidence to support this contention? > > > > I have been consuming Microdyn CS, whatever its strength is, for six > years, > > at times heavily, straight out of the bottle into my mouth. > > > > During a bout of Australian flu three years ago, I drank 10 drops of > > Microdyn every hour, right out of the bottle, for three straight days. > > (There were elderly people dying in NYC from that flu, and I didn't want > to > > be one of them.) > > > > Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite > > clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily. > > > > I have never had any adverse reactions to this practice, and consider > > Microdyn safe for consumption undiluted. > > > > If I turn blue, I'll let you know. So far the only part of me that's blue > is > > my eyes. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Reid Harvey" > > To: "silver list" > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:55 PM > > Subject: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS > > > > > > > Dear Jason, > > > Thanks for your very thoughtful message. I can see your point that it > > > would be best for concentrated CS to be administered by a doctor. But > > > how ironic that the vast majority of otherwise-reliable, western > > > educated doctors would appear to tend not to accept the validity of CS, > > > also the victims of the dis-information. > > > > > > You asked about the possibility of my having a comparison done on the > > > high ppm CS I make, to see how effective it really is, and I will hope > > > to do that at some point in the future. But at present I use this CS > > > primarily to saturate ceramic candle filters, all of which have tested > > > 100% removal of fecal coliforms. I use the high ppm secondarily for > > > various treatments on my family while traveling, 'where there is no > > > doctor.' > > > > > > For example, my wife Catherine had a very nasty bout of strep throat > > > while we were in a Nepali game park, far from any clinic. She had had > > > this kind of severe strep several times before, only going to the doctor > > > after it hit her like a ton of bricks, and each time she'd go on > > > antibiotics and be laid up in bed for nearly a week. While in the game > > > park, when seh finally admitted that it was severe strep (her throat > > > red) we put her on a careful regime of the labelled-3200ppm Microdyn, > > > diluted to ~20ppm, a 200ml. glass every four hours. By the second glass > > > she was already feeling better and no further bed rest was indicated, so > > > she didn't miss out on any of the fun activities of the family. (We > > > subsequently rode an elephant out to a place where we could watch > &g
RE: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
Please explain further the statement: "the mild Argyria was caused by Water Oz". Dennis -Original Message- From: SilverMedicine.org [mailto:silvermedic...@silvermedicine.org] Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 1:24 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS Bill: I've corresponded with three individuals over the last year who have developed Argyria, and I'm aware of two other cases. The two other cases were caused by Mild Silver Protein. One was caused by the mass consumption of poorly made silver chloride for five years daily. One actually posted to the list earlier this year, and the mild Argyria was caused by Water Oz. The third was also caused by consuming Mild Silver Protein. Not everyone, apparently, is at the same level of risk for Argyria. I don't consider ten drops of CS excessive use, even undiluted. The individual whom developed severe Argyria consumed either eight or sixteen ounces of CS daily, religously, for five years. Those who consume bentonite regularly will likely have a metabolism that is more capable of processing any number of toxic substances used in the body; the body's elimination system is well cared for with such a habit, and liver functions are greatly supported. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: "Bill Missett" To: Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 6:02 AM Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS > There seems to be a major shift in philosophy developing here. Until > this discussion began, the dominant Silver List thought was that CS could NOT > cause arygria. Now we are hearing that high strength CS CAN cause argyria. > Is there any evidence to support this contention? > > I have been consuming Microdyn CS, whatever its strength is, for six years, > at times heavily, straight out of the bottle into my mouth. > > During a bout of Australian flu three years ago, I drank 10 drops of > Microdyn every hour, right out of the bottle, for three straight days. > (There were elderly people dying in NYC from that flu, and I didn't > want to > be one of them.) > > Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, > bentonite clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily. > > I have never had any adverse reactions to this practice, and consider > Microdyn safe for consumption undiluted. > > If I turn blue, I'll let you know. So far the only part of me that's > blue is > my eyes. > > - Original Message - > From: "Reid Harvey" > To: "silver list" > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:55 PM > Subject: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS > > > > Dear Jason, > > Thanks for your very thoughtful message. I can see your point that > > it would be best for concentrated CS to be administered by a doctor. > > But how ironic that the vast majority of otherwise-reliable, western > > educated doctors would appear to tend not to accept the validity of > > CS, also the victims of the dis-information. > > > > You asked about the possibility of my having a comparison done on > > the high ppm CS I make, to see how effective it really is, and I > > will hope to do that at some point in the future. But at present I > > use this CS primarily to saturate ceramic candle filters, all of > > which have tested 100% removal of fecal coliforms. I use the high > > ppm secondarily for various treatments on my family while traveling, > > 'where there is no doctor.' > > > > For example, my wife Catherine had a very nasty bout of strep throat > > while we were in a Nepali game park, far from any clinic. She had > > had this kind of severe strep several times before, only going to > > the doctor after it hit her like a ton of bricks, and each time > > she'd go on antibiotics and be laid up in bed for nearly a week. > > While in the game park, when seh finally admitted that it was severe > > strep (her throat > > red) we put her on a careful regime of the labelled-3200ppm Microdyn, > > diluted to ~20ppm, a 200ml. glass every four hours. By the second glass > > she was already feeling better and no further bed rest was indicated, so > > she didn't miss out on any of the fun activities of the family. (We > > subsequently rode an elephant out to a place where we could watch > > rhinos.) > > > > It would be interesting to know how Mexicans fare at the business of > > self treatment with Microdyn. I suppose I have not tuned in sooner > > to your concern about improper dosage simply because, CS in any > > shape or form is considered improper by most doctors, misquided as >
Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
Bill: I've corresponded with three individuals over the last year who have developed Argyria, and I'm aware of two other cases. The two other cases were caused by Mild Silver Protein. One was caused by the mass consumption of poorly made silver chloride for five years daily. One actually posted to the list earlier this year, and the mild Argyria was caused by Water Oz. The third was also caused by consuming Mild Silver Protein. Not everyone, apparently, is at the same level of risk for Argyria. I don't consider ten drops of CS excessive use, even undiluted. The individual whom developed severe Argyria consumed either eight or sixteen ounces of CS daily, religously, for five years. Those who consume bentonite regularly will likely have a metabolism that is more capable of processing any number of toxic substances used in the body; the body's elimination system is well cared for with such a habit, and liver functions are greatly supported. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: "Bill Missett" To: Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 6:02 AM Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS > There seems to be a major shift in philosophy developing here. Until this > discussion began, the dominant Silver List thought was that CS could NOT > cause arygria. Now we are hearing that high strength CS CAN cause argyria. > Is there any evidence to support this contention? > > I have been consuming Microdyn CS, whatever its strength is, for six years, > at times heavily, straight out of the bottle into my mouth. > > During a bout of Australian flu three years ago, I drank 10 drops of > Microdyn every hour, right out of the bottle, for three straight days. > (There were elderly people dying in NYC from that flu, and I didn't want to > be one of them.) > > Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite > clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily. > > I have never had any adverse reactions to this practice, and consider > Microdyn safe for consumption undiluted. > > If I turn blue, I'll let you know. So far the only part of me that's blue is > my eyes. > > - Original Message - > From: "Reid Harvey" > To: "silver list" > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:55 PM > Subject: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS > > > > Dear Jason, > > Thanks for your very thoughtful message. I can see your point that it > > would be best for concentrated CS to be administered by a doctor. But > > how ironic that the vast majority of otherwise-reliable, western > > educated doctors would appear to tend not to accept the validity of CS, > > also the victims of the dis-information. > > > > You asked about the possibility of my having a comparison done on the > > high ppm CS I make, to see how effective it really is, and I will hope > > to do that at some point in the future. But at present I use this CS > > primarily to saturate ceramic candle filters, all of which have tested > > 100% removal of fecal coliforms. I use the high ppm secondarily for > > various treatments on my family while traveling, 'where there is no > > doctor.' > > > > For example, my wife Catherine had a very nasty bout of strep throat > > while we were in a Nepali game park, far from any clinic. She had had > > this kind of severe strep several times before, only going to the doctor > > after it hit her like a ton of bricks, and each time she'd go on > > antibiotics and be laid up in bed for nearly a week. While in the game > > park, when seh finally admitted that it was severe strep (her throat > > red) we put her on a careful regime of the labelled-3200ppm Microdyn, > > diluted to ~20ppm, a 200ml. glass every four hours. By the second glass > > she was already feeling better and no further bed rest was indicated, so > > she didn't miss out on any of the fun activities of the family. (We > > subsequently rode an elephant out to a place where we could watch > > rhinos.) > > > > It would be interesting to know how Mexicans fare at the business of > > self treatment with Microdyn. I suppose I have not tuned in sooner to > > your concern about improper dosage simply because, CS in any shape or > > form is considered improper by most doctors, misquided as their > > viewpoint may be. So it may appear that the laymen need to hazard their > > own dosing, dependent on their own good instincts in seeking proper > > advice. Of course your concern about a doctor's supervision would > > extend to many kinds of remedies and not only those of CS. But what > > with lack of medical facilites, educated
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I drink very mild mixture, with pure unprocessed sea salt for the 82 minerals and trace elements it contains, and bentonite clay to detox and cleanse liver and kidneys. (The mix is two tablespoons of each in two liters of water, with two tablespoons of the mix diluted in two liters of fresh water, so it is a very mild dose.) I've been doing the bentonite for about five years, and am just about ready to discontinue it, as soon as my supply is used up, because I think 5 years of cleansing should make my liver and kidneys shine in the dark. - Original Message - From: "sol" To: Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS > Ok, I'm puzzled, why would you drink sea salt and bentonite clay? > TIA, > paula > -- > mailto: pcar...@wyoming.com > "--when you haven't any other place to step, it doesn't matter which foot > lands in the sh** first." -Heris Serrano > - Original Message - > From: "Bill Missett" > > > > > Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite > > clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily. > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
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Ok, I'm puzzled, why would you drink sea salt and bentonite clay? TIA, paula -- mailto: pcar...@wyoming.com "--when you haven't any other place to step, it doesn't matter which foot lands in the sh** first." -Heris Serrano - Original Message - From: "Bill Missett" > > Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite > clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CSConnie, We make our own .
- Original Message -
From: Connie
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
Are you buying 80ppm CS, or making the CS.
Connie
From: "Tom & Mary McFadden"
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:36:38 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)
To:
Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com
Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 07:36:59 -0700
I have been using 80PPM CS for two years now, at least thats what I think
it is as I have no PPM meter. I usually take an ounce in am and Pm also. So
far I have not turned any other color .
I did have a client who started using CS and she got grey patches on her
elbows, however when she cut back the grey went away. I later found out that
she was taking all kinds of drugs for something and I am sure that caused a
reaction.
In two and a half years of using CS she is the only one who had trouble
and she is still using CS today. Tom
---Original Message---
From: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sunday, September 29, 2002 08:02:54
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re:CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
There seems to be a major shift in philosophy developing here. Until this
discussion began, the dominant Silver List thought was that CS could NOT
cause arygria. Now we are hearing that high strength CS CAN cause argyria.
Is there any evidence to support this contention?
I have been consuming Microdyn CS, whatever its strength is, for six years,
at times heavily, straight out of the bottle into my mouth.
During a bout of Australian flu three years ago, I drank 10 drops of
Microdyn every hour, right out of the bottle, for three straight days.
(There were elderly people dying in NYC from that flu, and I didn't want to
be one of them.)
Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite
clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily.
I have never had any adverse reactions to this practice, and consider
Microdyn safe for consumption undiluted.
If I turn blue, I'll let you know. So far the only part of me that's blue is
my eyes.
- Original Message -
From: "Reid Harvey"
To: "silver list"
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:55 PM
Subject: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
> Dear Jason,
> Thanks for your very thoughtful message. I can see your point that it
> would be best for concentrated CS to be administered by a doctor. But
> how ironic that the vast majority of otherwise-reliable, western
> educated doctors would appear to tend not to accept the validity of CS,
> also the victims of the dis-information.
>
> You asked about the possibility of my having a comparison done on the
> high ppm CS I make, to see how effective it really is, and I will hope
> to do that at some point in the future. But at present I use this CS
> primarily to saturate ceramic candle filters, all of which have tested
> 100% removal of fecal coliforms. I use the high ppm secondarily for
> various treatments on my family while traveling, 'where there is no
> doctor.'
>
> For example, my wife Catherine had a very nasty bout of strep throat
> while we were in a Nepali game park, far from any clinic. She had had
> this kind of severe strep several times before, only going to the doctor
> after it hit her like a ton of bricks, and each time she'd go on
> antibiotics and be laid up in bed for nearly a week. While in the game
> park, when seh finally admitted that it was severe strep (her throat
> red) we put her on a careful regime of the labelled-3200ppm Microdyn,
> diluted to ~20ppm, a 200ml. glass every four hours. By the second glass
> she was already feeling better and no further bed rest was indicated, so
> she didn't miss out on any of the fun activities of the family. (We
> subsequently rode an elephant out to a place where we could watch
> rhinos.)
>
> It would be interesting to know how Mexicans fare at the business of
> self treatment with Microdyn. I suppose I have not tuned in sooner to
> your concern about improper dosage simply because, CS in any shape or
> form is considered improper by most doctors, misquided as their
> viewpoint may be. So it may appear that the laymen need to hazard their
> own dosing, dependent on their own good instincts in seeking proper
> advice. Of course your concern about a doctor's supervision would
Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
Are you buying 80ppm CS, or making the CS. Connie From: "Tom & Mary McFadden" Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:36:38 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) To: Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 07:36:59 -0700 I have been using 80PPM CS for two years now, at least thats what I think it is as I have no PPM meter. I usually take an ounce in am and Pm also. So far I have not turned any other color . I did have a client who started using CS and she got grey patches on her elbows, however when she cut back the grey went away. I later found out that she was taking all kinds of drugs for something and I am sure that caused a reaction. In two and a half years of using CS she is the only one who had trouble and she is still using CS today. Tom ---Original Message--- From: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, September 29, 2002 08:02:54 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re:CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS There seems to be a major shift in philosophy developing here. Until this discussion began, the dominant Silver List thought was that CS could NOT cause arygria. Now we are hearing that high strength CS CAN cause argyria. Is there any evidence to support this contention? I have been consuming Microdyn CS, whatever its strength is, for six years, at times heavily, straight out of the bottle into my mouth. During a bout of Australian flu three years ago, I drank 10 drops of Microdyn every hour, right out of the bottle, for three straight days. (There were elderly people dying in NYC from that flu, and I didn't want to be one of them.) Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily. I have never had any adverse reactions to this practice, and consider Microdyn safe for consumption undiluted. If I turn blue, I'll let you know. So far the only part of me that's blue is my eyes. - Original Message - From: "Reid Harvey" To: "silver list" Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:55 PM Subject: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS > Dear Jason, > Thanks for your very thoughtful message. I can see your point that it > would be best for concentrated CS to be administered by a doctor. But > how ironic that the vast majority of otherwise-reliable, western > educated doctors would appear to tend not to accept the validity of CS, > also the victims of the dis-information. > > You asked about the possibility of my having a comparison done on the > high ppm CS I make, to see how effective it really is, and I will hope > to do that at some point in the future. But at present I use this CS > primarily to saturate ceramic candle filters, all of which have tested > 100% removal of fecal coliforms. I use the high ppm secondarily for > various treatments on my family while traveling, 'where there is no > doctor.' > > For example, my wife Catherine had a very nasty bout of strep throat > while we were in a Nepali game park, far from any clinic. She had had > this kind of severe strep several times before, only going to the doctor > after it hit her like a ton of bricks, and each time she'd go on > antibiotics and be laid up in bed for nearly a week. While in the game > park, when seh finally admitted that it was severe strep (her throat > red) we put her on a careful regime of the labelled-3200ppm Microdyn, > diluted to ~20ppm, a 200ml. glass every four hours. By the second glass > she was already feeling better and no further bed rest was indicated, so > she didn't miss out on any of the fun activities of the family. (We > subsequently rode an elephant out to a place where we could watch > rhinos.) > > It would be interesting to know how Mexicans fare at the business of > self treatment with Microdyn. I suppose I have not tuned in sooner to > your concern about improper dosage simply because, CS in any shape or > form is considered improper by most doctors, misquided as their > viewpoint may be. So it may appear that the laymen need to hazard their > own dosing, dependent on their own good instincts in seeking proper > advice. Of course your concern about a doctor's supervision would > extend to many kinds of remedies and not only those of CS. But what > with lack of medical facilites, educated people in third world countries > have to make do. For example, peace corps doctors around the world tend > to warn their volunteers about the hazards of self prescription/ self > dosage. Then they give the volunteers prescription drugs, like > antibiotics, prior to their going to their various postings, usually > remote. > > So I may see your point about unethical sales of high ppm in the U.S., > for exampl
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I have been using 80PPM CS for two years now, at least thats what I think it is as I have no PPM meter. I usually take an ounce in am and Pm also. So far I have not turned any other color . I did have a client who started using CS and she got grey patches on her elbows, however when she cut back the grey went away. I later found out that she was taking all kinds of drugs for something and I am sure that caused a reaction. In two and a half years of using CS she is the only one who had trouble and she is still using CS today. Tom ---Original Message--- From: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, September 29, 2002 08:02:54 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re:CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS There seems to be a major shift in philosophy developing here. Until this discussion began, the dominant Silver List thought was that CS could NOT cause arygria. Now we are hearing that high strength CS CAN cause argyria. Is there any evidence to support this contention? I have been consuming Microdyn CS, whatever its strength is, for six years, at times heavily, straight out of the bottle into my mouth. During a bout of Australian flu three years ago, I drank 10 drops of Microdyn every hour, right out of the bottle, for three straight days. (There were elderly people dying in NYC from that flu, and I didn't want to be one of them.) Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily. I have never had any adverse reactions to this practice, and consider Microdyn safe for consumption undiluted. If I turn blue, I'll let you know. So far the only part of me that's blue is my eyes. - Original Message - From: "Reid Harvey" To: "silver list" Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:55 PM Subject: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS > Dear Jason, > Thanks for your very thoughtful message. I can see your point that it > would be best for concentrated CS to be administered by a doctor. But > how ironic that the vast majority of otherwise-reliable, western > educated doctors would appear to tend not to accept the validity of CS, > also the victims of the dis-information. > > You asked about the possibility of my having a comparison done on the > high ppm CS I make, to see how effective it really is, and I will hope > to do that at some point in the future. But at present I use this CS > primarily to saturate ceramic candle filters, all of which have tested > 100% removal of fecal coliforms. I use the high ppm secondarily for > various treatments on my family while traveling, 'where there is no > doctor.' > > For example, my wife Catherine had a very nasty bout of strep throat > while we were in a Nepali game park, far from any clinic. She had had > this kind of severe strep several times before, only going to the doctor > after it hit her like a ton of bricks, and each time she'd go on > antibiotics and be laid up in bed for nearly a week. While in the game > park, when seh finally admitted that it was severe strep (her throat > red) we put her on a careful regime of the labelled-3200ppm Microdyn, > diluted to ~20ppm, a 200ml. glass every four hours. By the second glass > she was already feeling better and no further bed rest was indicated, so > she didn't miss out on any of the fun activities of the family. (We > subsequently rode an elephant out to a place where we could watch > rhinos.) > > It would be interesting to know how Mexicans fare at the business of > self treatment with Microdyn. I suppose I have not tuned in sooner to > your concern about improper dosage simply because, CS in any shape or > form is considered improper by most doctors, misquided as their > viewpoint may be. So it may appear that the laymen need to hazard their > own dosing, dependent on their own good instincts in seeking proper > advice. Of course your concern about a doctor's supervision would > extend to many kinds of remedies and not only those of CS. But what > with lack of medical facilites, educated people in third world countries > have to make do. For example, peace corps doctors around the world tend > to warn their volunteers about the hazards of self prescription/ self > dosage. Then they give the volunteers prescription drugs, like > antibiotics, prior to their going to their various postings, usually > remote. > > So I may see your point about unethical sales of high ppm in the U.S., > for example. But given the climate in third world countries, where self > dosing is de rigeur, I think the ethical aspects get thrown out the > window. In a fair and just world your wisdom would perhaps prevail. > Reid > > Jason said, > Reid: > > My greatest concern with the high PPM solutions is misuse. You'll note > that > in a previous message, the original company that manufactured what was > likely MSP only sold the product to doctors... That this doctor then > decided to retail it to others is besides the point! > > There are reasons for
Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
There seems to be a major shift in philosophy developing here. Until this discussion began, the dominant Silver List thought was that CS could NOT cause arygria. Now we are hearing that high strength CS CAN cause argyria. Is there any evidence to support this contention? I have been consuming Microdyn CS, whatever its strength is, for six years, at times heavily, straight out of the bottle into my mouth. During a bout of Australian flu three years ago, I drank 10 drops of Microdyn every hour, right out of the bottle, for three straight days. (There were elderly people dying in NYC from that flu, and I didn't want to be one of them.) Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily. I have never had any adverse reactions to this practice, and consider Microdyn safe for consumption undiluted. If I turn blue, I'll let you know. So far the only part of me that's blue is my eyes. - Original Message - From: "Reid Harvey" To: "silver list" Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:55 PM Subject: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS > Dear Jason, > Thanks for your very thoughtful message. I can see your point that it > would be best for concentrated CS to be administered by a doctor. But > how ironic that the vast majority of otherwise-reliable, western > educated doctors would appear to tend not to accept the validity of CS, > also the victims of the dis-information. > > You asked about the possibility of my having a comparison done on the > high ppm CS I make, to see how effective it really is, and I will hope > to do that at some point in the future. But at present I use this CS > primarily to saturate ceramic candle filters, all of which have tested > 100% removal of fecal coliforms. I use the high ppm secondarily for > various treatments on my family while traveling, 'where there is no > doctor.' > > For example, my wife Catherine had a very nasty bout of strep throat > while we were in a Nepali game park, far from any clinic. She had had > this kind of severe strep several times before, only going to the doctor > after it hit her like a ton of bricks, and each time she'd go on > antibiotics and be laid up in bed for nearly a week. While in the game > park, when seh finally admitted that it was severe strep (her throat > red) we put her on a careful regime of the labelled-3200ppm Microdyn, > diluted to ~20ppm, a 200ml. glass every four hours. By the second glass > she was already feeling better and no further bed rest was indicated, so > she didn't miss out on any of the fun activities of the family. (We > subsequently rode an elephant out to a place where we could watch > rhinos.) > > It would be interesting to know how Mexicans fare at the business of > self treatment with Microdyn. I suppose I have not tuned in sooner to > your concern about improper dosage simply because, CS in any shape or > form is considered improper by most doctors, misquided as their > viewpoint may be. So it may appear that the laymen need to hazard their > own dosing, dependent on their own good instincts in seeking proper > advice. Of course your concern about a doctor's supervision would > extend to many kinds of remedies and not only those of CS. But what > with lack of medical facilites, educated people in third world countries > have to make do. For example, peace corps doctors around the world tend > to warn their volunteers about the hazards of self prescription/ self > dosage. Then they give the volunteers prescription drugs, like > antibiotics, prior to their going to their various postings, usually > remote. > > So I may see your point about unethical sales of high ppm in the U.S., > for example. But given the climate in third world countries, where self > dosing is de rigeur, I think the ethical aspects get thrown out the > window. In a fair and just world your wisdom would perhaps prevail. > Reid > > Jason said, > Reid: > > My greatest concern with the high PPM solutions is misuse. You'll note > that > in a previous message, the original company that manufactured what was > likely MSP only sold the product to doctors... That this doctor then > decided to retail it to others is besides the point! > > There are reasons for this. I consider companies that only sell these > high > PPM products to doctors ethical companies. I consider companies that do > > not, unethical, in that all the companies ( all that I have been able to > > find with similiar products ) do not claim that there is no risk to use. > > The fact of the matter is, there is no risk to use, provided that the > instructions on the label are followed. > > Judging from the emails I've received over the last two years, there are > > many people out there using high PPM MSP as if it were electro-colloidal > > silver; undiluted, and taking amounts that certainly do produce a > considerable risk, even if only a cosmetic one. > > I'm very certain that silver cit
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Reid: I've done a bit of further research concerning ceramic filters, and I do understand that using a low PPM silver product would not be adequate for such a purpose. I've seen a study where a 50 PPM high quality CS was used for such a purpose, and the results were not satisfactory. As far as the MD's go, my personal opinion is that anyone could use any substance safely ( provided it could be used safely! ) with proper product knowledge... But it is apparently contrary to successful business practices for some of these companies to fully disclose information to their customers. Thus, the ethical solution is to have MD's purchase the substance and supervise use. I would love to see the MD's role switched more to the role of an educator and advisor as far as general health goes. Of course, critical care is an entirely different ball game. Warm Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: "Reid Harvey" To: "silver list" Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 6:55 PM Subject: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS > Dear Jason, > Thanks for your very thoughtful message. I can see your point that it > would be best for concentrated CS to be administered by a doctor. But > how ironic that the vast majority of otherwise-reliable, western > educated doctors would appear to tend not to accept the validity of CS, > also the victims of the dis-information. > > You asked about the possibility of my having a comparison done on the > high ppm CS I make, to see how effective it really is, and I will hope > to do that at some point in the future. But at present I use this CS > primarily to saturate ceramic candle filters, all of which have tested > 100% removal of fecal coliforms. I use the high ppm secondarily for > various treatments on my family while traveling, 'where there is no > doctor.' > > For example, my wife Catherine had a very nasty bout of strep throat > while we were in a Nepali game park, far from any clinic. She had had > this kind of severe strep several times before, only going to the doctor > after it hit her like a ton of bricks, and each time she'd go on > antibiotics and be laid up in bed for nearly a week. While in the game > park, when seh finally admitted that it was severe strep (her throat > red) we put her on a careful regime of the labelled-3200ppm Microdyn, > diluted to ~20ppm, a 200ml. glass every four hours. By the second glass > she was already feeling better and no further bed rest was indicated, so > she didn't miss out on any of the fun activities of the family. (We > subsequently rode an elephant out to a place where we could watch > rhinos.) > > It would be interesting to know how Mexicans fare at the business of > self treatment with Microdyn. I suppose I have not tuned in sooner to > your concern about improper dosage simply because, CS in any shape or > form is considered improper by most doctors, misquided as their > viewpoint may be. So it may appear that the laymen need to hazard their > own dosing, dependent on their own good instincts in seeking proper > advice. Of course your concern about a doctor's supervision would > extend to many kinds of remedies and not only those of CS. But what > with lack of medical facilites, educated people in third world countries > have to make do. For example, peace corps doctors around the world tend > to warn their volunteers about the hazards of self prescription/ self > dosage. Then they give the volunteers prescription drugs, like > antibiotics, prior to their going to their various postings, usually > remote. > > So I may see your point about unethical sales of high ppm in the U.S., > for example. But given the climate in third world countries, where self > dosing is de rigeur, I think the ethical aspects get thrown out the > window. In a fair and just world your wisdom would perhaps prevail. > Reid > > Jason said, > Reid: > > My greatest concern with the high PPM solutions is misuse. You'll note > that > in a previous message, the original company that manufactured what was > likely MSP only sold the product to doctors... That this doctor then > decided to retail it to others is besides the point! > > There are reasons for this. I consider companies that only sell these > high > PPM products to doctors ethical companies. I consider companies that do > > not, unethical, in that all the companies ( all that I have been able to > > find with similiar products ) do not claim that there is no risk to use. > > The fact of the matter is, there is no risk to use, provided that the > instructions on the label are followed. > > Judging from the emails I've received over the last two years, there are > > many people out there using high PPM MSP as if it were electro-colloidal > > silver; undiluted, and taking amounts that certainly do produce a > considerable risk, even if only a cosmetic one. > > I'm very certain that silver citrate is a bit different than many of the > > products out there, including the one
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Rainwater is natures distilled. Not too common in the Sahara I suppose, but even there one can make a dew collecter with a piece of plastic and a stone. Batteries and solar panels are another matter. Stick some dimes and pennies in a lemon? Oh yea, no money. ken At 06:41 PM 9/27/02 -0700, you wrote: >Reid: > >My greatest concern with the high PPM solutions is misuse. You'll note that >in a previous message, the original company that manufactured what was >likely MSP only sold the product to doctors... That this doctor then >decided to retail it to others is besides the point! > >There are reasons for this. I consider companies that only sell these high >PPM products to doctors ethical companies. I consider companies that do >not, unethical, in that all the companies ( all that I have been able to >find with similiar products ) do not claim that there is no risk to use. >The fact of the matter is, there is no risk to use, provided that the >instructions on the label are followed. > >Judging from the emails I've received over the last two years, there are >many people out there using high PPM MSP as if it were electro-colloidal >silver; undiluted, and taking amounts that certainly do produce a >considerable risk, even if only a cosmetic one. > >I'm very certain that silver citrate is a bit different than many of the >products out there, including the one in a recent post... But the statement >that the "colloidal silver" was effective at 250 PPM + is frightening. I'm >almost willing to bet that either someone didn't do the testing correctly, >or that someone crossed their information somewhere. > >I certainly understand your point. If I were in a third world country >without access to distilled water, I wouldn't hesitate to use what was at my >disposal, including tap water if necessary. > >Have you considered having a comparison done on your product, to see how >effective it really is ( once diluted to useable )? > >That might be revealing, and might either put your mind at ease, or give you >something more to shoot for... > >Kind Regards, > >Jason > >PS: Yes, I certainly agree and know that high concentrations of CS can be >made, but it is good to keep in mind that the nature of the products with >high PPM are different! > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
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Even the mudiest of muds still contains a great deal of ions and small particles. What can't get through a membrane just passes on. The body does a really good job of sorting things out. I don't recall the last time I sweated dimes. I guess it affected my memory. ken At 05:55 AM 9/28/02 +0600, you wrote: >Marshall, >Another common assertion on this list is that large particle CS is 10% >less effective than the small particle variety. Wouldn't this be at odd >with what you are saying? Also, for what it's worth I can asure you of >the effectiveness of the large particle stuff, time and again it has >treated my family's various aches and pains. >Reid > >Marshall said: >I have been trying to get them for 2 days, but all I get is an answering > >machine. Their number is 423-439-6242. > >Anyway, I believe that this doctor has confirmed what many of here have >been >saying about high ppm CS. That is is less effective then normal 5 to 20 >ppm >CS. The normal method of testing CS is to continue diluting it and >testing >until the effectiveness drops off. If you start with 5 to 20 ppm CS, >out tests >indicate that this does not occur until about a 10:1 dilution. IE. it is > >effective down to about .5 or so ppm. > >Now if, as we believe, high ppm CS is not very effective becaue of the >large >particle size, then if you dilute it 2:1 and that is where the >effectiveness >drops off, that says that basically 500 ppm CS is about 1/5 as effective >as 5 >ppm CS. It seems to me he has shot his own product down with that >statement. > >Marshall > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
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If you didn't dilute it, your body fluids would. :-) What works works...no arguement there. If something else works a bit better? But ya uses what ya gots...there ain't no other way. If ya don't have a carbon fiber fishing rod...the fish don't care if you use a bamboo pole. [They STILL won't like you as much as you like them.] It's a goood thing fish don't fry people...too wet. [If you ever see a fish with a waterproof flare...drop your end of the hook and run! It can only evolve after you..should work for a while.] Ken At 05:55 AM 9/28/02 +0600, you wrote: >Ken, >Thanks for this acknowledgement that 'mud works.' But actually it's >only mud before you dilute it. After diluting to ~10ppm it's clear >yellow, large particle to be sure, but in the face of illness who are we >to be perfectionists? >R > >Ken said: >I guess I forgot to mention that even mud works? >Ken >> >>And Ken, I am really surprised at you, firstly because at times you >>display a very sound understanding of chemistry, and here you are not. >>Imagine that all the world should focus on small particle CS, simply >for >>its 10% additional benefit with respect to larger particle CS. This is >>a bad case of straining off a knat and gulping down a camel. Can you >>folks who are so blind in this respect kindly take a closer look? The >>witness you are bearing would deny the benefits of CS to countless poor > >>the world over. >>Reid > > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
RE: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
I know little of zeta potential. I think it has to with the sum of the attractive and repulsive forces influencing colloids. In silver sols, it means the likleyhood of them combining into larger particles. Most commentators believe that the smaller particles are responsible for the anti-pathogenic qualities. The strength of that charge may also relate to the potency of a particle. Some commercial makers also believe that cooler water makes smaller particles. I use a HVAC generator, and when I run it for extended periods, the sol is golden-tan. Since it has been demonstrated that very low dilutions of fine-particle CS are effective against most pathogens, I prefer a lower concentration of small particles and large dosage volumes. Thank you for the description of your generator, I have added it to my collection. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Reid Harvey [mailto:pott...@wlink.com.np] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 5:55 PM To: silver list Subject: RE: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS Dear James-Osbourne: Holmes, I am not familiar with the means by which Microdyn and others in Mexico are making their concentrated CS, but am under the impression that they could be making by the same means that I do. Here are the basic components of my generator (courtesy of educate-yourself.org): 1. a two liter erlenmeyer flask with rubber stopper, through which is set a thermometer and the two electrodes 2. a double boiler into which the flask is set 3. an electrical converter which outputs 27volts DC During the process the temperature is kept just under boiling. Polarity is switched every minute, in order to prevent current runaway. This also minimizes the amount of silver oxide that collects on the electrodes. I generally run the generator for three or four hours which yields ~200ppm, but if one were to run it for a couple of days they'd get upto ppm in the thousands. At 200ppm it looks like glorious *mud* to reflected light, but put a strong light behind it and you'll see that it's still clear. I am unfamiliar with zeta potential so would welcome your observations on that. Reid James-Osbourne: Holmes, Are the very high concentrations made electolytically? If they are made by precipitation, the Zeta potential may be very different. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Reid: My greatest concern with the high PPM solutions is misuse. You'll note that in a previous message, the original company that manufactured what was likely MSP only sold the product to doctors... That this doctor then decided to retail it to others is besides the point! There are reasons for this. I consider companies that only sell these high PPM products to doctors ethical companies. I consider companies that do not, unethical, in that all the companies ( all that I have been able to find with similiar products ) do not claim that there is no risk to use. The fact of the matter is, there is no risk to use, provided that the instructions on the label are followed. Judging from the emails I've received over the last two years, there are many people out there using high PPM MSP as if it were electro-colloidal silver; undiluted, and taking amounts that certainly do produce a considerable risk, even if only a cosmetic one. I'm very certain that silver citrate is a bit different than many of the products out there, including the one in a recent post... But the statement that the "colloidal silver" was effective at 250 PPM + is frightening. I'm almost willing to bet that either someone didn't do the testing correctly, or that someone crossed their information somewhere. I certainly understand your point. If I were in a third world country without access to distilled water, I wouldn't hesitate to use what was at my disposal, including tap water if necessary. Have you considered having a comparison done on your product, to see how effective it really is ( once diluted to useable )? That might be revealing, and might either put your mind at ease, or give you something more to shoot for... Kind Regards, Jason PS: Yes, I certainly agree and know that high concentrations of CS can be made, but it is good to keep in mind that the nature of the products with high PPM are different! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
Marshall, Another common assertion on this list is that large particle CS is 10% less effective than the small particle variety. Wouldn't this be at odd with what you are saying? Also, for what it's worth I can asure you of the effectiveness of the large particle stuff, time and again it has treated my family's various aches and pains. Reid Marshall said: I have been trying to get them for 2 days, but all I get is an answering machine. Their number is 423-439-6242. Anyway, I believe that this doctor has confirmed what many of here have been saying about high ppm CS. That is is less effective then normal 5 to 20 ppm CS. The normal method of testing CS is to continue diluting it and testing until the effectiveness drops off. If you start with 5 to 20 ppm CS, out tests indicate that this does not occur until about a 10:1 dilution. IE. it is effective down to about .5 or so ppm. Now if, as we believe, high ppm CS is not very effective becaue of the large particle size, then if you dilute it 2:1 and that is where the effectiveness drops off, that says that basically 500 ppm CS is about 1/5 as effective as 5 ppm CS. It seems to me he has shot his own product down with that statement. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
Dear James-Osbourne: Holmes, I am not familiar with the means by which Microdyn and others in Mexico are making their concentrated CS, but am under the impression that they could be making by the same means that I do. Here are the basic components of my generator (courtesy of educate-yourself.org): 1. a two liter erlenmeyer flask with rubber stopper, through which is set a thermometer and the two electrodes 2. a double boiler into which the flask is set 3. an electrical converter which outputs 27volts DC During the process the temperature is kept just under boiling. Polarity is switched every minute, in order to prevent current runaway. This also minimizes the amount of silver oxide that collects on the electrodes. I generally run the generator for three or four hours which yields ~200ppm, but if one were to run it for a couple of days they'd get upto ppm in the thousands. At 200ppm it looks like glorious *mud* to reflected light, but put a strong light behind it and you'll see that it's still clear. I am unfamiliar with zeta potential so would welcome your observations on that. Reid James-Osbourne: Holmes, Are the very high concentrations made electolytically? If they are made by precipitation, the Zeta potential may be very different. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
Ken, Thanks for this acknowledgement that 'mud works.' But actually it's only mud before you dilute it. After diluting to ~10ppm it's clear yellow, large particle to be sure, but in the face of illness who are we to be perfectionists? R Ken said: I guess I forgot to mention that even mud works? Ken > >And Ken, I am really surprised at you, firstly because at times you >display a very sound understanding of chemistry, and here you are not. >Imagine that all the world should focus on small particle CS, simply for >its 10% additional benefit with respect to larger particle CS. This is >a bad case of straining off a knat and gulping down a camel. Can you >folks who are so blind in this respect kindly take a closer look? The >witness you are bearing would deny the benefits of CS to countless poor >the world over. >Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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I have been trying to get them for 2 days, but all I get is an answering machine. Their number is 423-439-6242. Anyway, I believe that this doctor has confirmed what many of here have been saying about high ppm CS. That is is less effective then normal 5 to 20 ppm CS. The normal method of testing CS is to continue diluting it and testing until the effectiveness drops off. If you start with 5 to 20 ppm CS, out tests indicate that this does not occur until about a 10:1 dilution. IE. it is effective down to about .5 or so ppm. Now if, as we believe, high ppm CS is not very effective becaue of the large particle size, then if you dilute it 2:1 and that is where the effectiveness drops off, that says that basically 500 ppm CS is about 1/5 as effective as 5 ppm CS. It seems to me he has shot his own product down with that statement. Marshall Marshall Dudley wrote: > I will contact them tomorrow. We had CS tested by UT and they found > effectiveness in the less than 1 ppm range. > > Marshall > > Rich Adams wrote: > > > This is a reply from a company selling 500ppm CS. I need all your > > valuable input please. This is the reply from one Dr. Lynn who owns the > > website (www.graywhalebotanicals.com) where she is selling it. > > > > "<< I tend to follow clinical stuff and this is what I use: clinical > > laboratory tests at Eastern Tennessee State University, Dept. of > > Microbiology, show that the level for effectiveness is at least 250 parts > > per > > million. The 500 ppm is a clinical dosage and is only sold to licensed > > practitioners. The 500 ppm is approved by the FDA and there is no known > > toxicity reported by the U.S. Poison Control Center. >>" > > > > The FDA approved this? Is this "Dr" talking nonsense? > > It sounds like it. > > > > > > > If you have input and can specify links, that would be much appreciated. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Respectfully, > > Rich Adams > > rad...@kc.rr.com > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Reid: I don't know this for a fact, just anecdotally. When I joined the list several years ago, I made that claim and was immediately "corrected" by one of the older hands on the list who informed me that to his knowledge, Microdyn had never been tested for particle strength on a spectrograph. He seemed to know the facts, and since my "3200ppm" claim was just my extrapolation of the label claim, I adopted his explanation as truth. I even inquired within the past year about getting Microdyn formally tested, to put the question to rest, but since I'm living on SS down here, I didn't have the $35 fee to contribute to the cause. I'd love to know for sure myself. - Original Message - From: "Reid Harvey" To: "silver list" Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 4:13 AM Subject: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS > Bill, > Good to hear from you, and I value your observations. Can you tell me > what reason you may have to believe Microdyn is not 3200ppm? And I do > know that Biopur states on the label that it is 1500ppm. If Microdyn is > not 3200 I would imagine that at the very least it's well over the > 500ppm we've been talking. I do know that Microdyn is being used quite > successfully in silver saturating pottery water filtration elements > around Central America and the Carribean, removing 100% of fecal > coliforms. Some of these filters are still effective after seven years > of continuous use, and are yet another CS boon to the poor. On the > other hand the manufacturers of the filters also advertise these as > being saturated with 3200ppm CS. > > Can someone else on the list kindly help in putting to rest the very > misquided notion that concentrated CS is *not* a reality? > Namaste, > Reid > > Bill Missett said: > I don't believe that the commercial CS being sold in Mexico (there are > now > about five brands available to me, all basically the same) has been > rated at > 3200ppm, even though I was guilty of making that statement early on, > until > corrected. > > Apparently Microdyn and the others have not been officially tested by > anyone > known on the list. > > The "3200ppm claim" comes from the fact that most of the commercial CS > brands (but not all) are rated as being "0.32 percent" CS. That would > be > 3200 parts of a million, but not the 3200ppm we're talking about, as I > understand it. > > But Mexican CS is very potent, works quickly and is cheap. A 1.3 ounce > bottle costs less than a dollar and lasts at least a month with daily > usage. > > The entire city of San Luis Potosi, Mexico, population 1 million, has > successfully used CS to purify the city's water supply for the past 40 > years. > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
RE: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
Are the very high concentrations made electolytically? If they are made by precipitation, the Zeta potential may be very different. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Reid Harvey [mailto:pott...@wlink.com.np] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:14 AM To: silver list Subject: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS Bill, Good to hear from you, and I value your observations. Can you tell me what reason you may have to believe Microdyn is not 3200ppm? And I do know that Biopur states on the label that it is 1500ppm. If Microdyn is not 3200 I would imagine that at the very least it's well over the 500ppm we've been talking. I do know that Microdyn is being used quite successfully in silver saturating pottery water filtration elements around Central America and the Carribean, removing 100% of fecal coliforms. Some of these filters are still effective after seven years of continuous use, and are yet another CS boon to the poor. On the other hand the manufacturers of the filters also advertise these as being saturated with 3200ppm CS. Can someone else on the list kindly help in putting to rest the very misquided notion that concentrated CS is *not* a reality? Namaste, Reid Bill Missett said: I don't believe that the commercial CS being sold in Mexico (there are now about five brands available to me, all basically the same) has been rated at 3200ppm, even though I was guilty of making that statement early on, until corrected. Apparently Microdyn and the others have not been officially tested by anyone known on the list. The "3200ppm claim" comes from the fact that most of the commercial CS brands (but not all) are rated as being "0.32 percent" CS. That would be 3200 parts of a million, but not the 3200ppm we're talking about, as I understand it. But Mexican CS is very potent, works quickly and is cheap. A 1.3 ounce bottle costs less than a dollar and lasts at least a month with daily usage. The entire city of San Luis Potosi, Mexico, population 1 million, has successfully used CS to purify the city's water supply for the past 40 years. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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I guess I forgot to mention that even mud works? Ken > >And Ken, I am really surprised at you, firstly because at times you >display a very sound understanding of chemistry, and here you are not. >Imagine that all the world should focus on small particle CS, simply for >its 10% additional benefit with respect to larger particle CS. This is >a bad case of straining off a knat and gulping down a camel. Can you >folks who are so blind in this respect kindly take a closer look? The >witness you are bearing would deny the benefits of CS to countless poor >the world over. >Reid > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
I don't believe that the commercial CS being sold in Mexico (there are now about five brands available to me, all basically the same) has been rated at 3200ppm, even though I was guilty of making that statement early on, until corrected. Apparently Microdyn and the others have not been officially tested by anyone known on the list. The "3200ppm claim" comes from the fact that most of the commercial CS brands (but not all) are rated as being "0.32 percent" CS. That would be 3200 parts of a million, but not the 3200ppm we're talking about, as I understand it. But Mexican CS is very potent, works quickly and is cheap. A 1.3 ounce bottle costs less than a dollar and lasts at least a month with daily usage. The entire city of San Luis Potosi, Mexico, population 1 million, has successfully used CS to purify the city's water supply for the past 40 years. . - Original Message - From: "Reid Harvey" To: "silver list" Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 7:13 PM Subject: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS > Andy, > I think you owe Dr. Schwartzman a serious apology, the fact being that > you are 100% wrong in your assertion that 500ppm CS cannot be made. It > could be that one reason you got so little response on this issue is > that it's been re-hashed here many times, a number of people saying it's > not possible then people with a sound knowledge of chemistry stepping > forward and saying that it *is* possible. > > What's unfortunate is that the naysayers seem unwilling or unable to > envision any value for a CS that is outside the very narrow scope of > their own interest, or for that matter the economics of their particular > CS production. In the U.S. and Europe household production is most > viable and safe for low voltage, low volumn. This would tend to mean > production of 10ppm CS in 500ml. amounts per batch, give or take. Now > consider the case of Mexico, where 3200ppm Microdyn has been produced > and sold for years. There are those who would tell you (though never > the AMA and FDA types) that the poorer of our neighbors south of the > border may well be enjoying better health then their counterparts to the > north by virtue of this inexpensive *concentrated* CS. They simply > dilute it down and drink it, big particles or not. > > And Ken, I am really surprised at you, firstly because at times you > display a very sound understanding of chemistry, and here you are not. > Imagine that all the world should focus on small particle CS, simply for > its 10% additional benefit with respect to larger particle CS. This is > a bad case of straining off a knat and gulping down a camel. Can you > folks who are so blind in this respect kindly take a closer look? The > witness you are bearing would deny the benefits of CS to countless poor > the world over. > Reid > > Andrew Scott said: > Dear Dr. Schwartzman, > > Your name and web site recently came up on a discussion group for > colloidal > silver. These people are not dummies. You state that your colloidal > silver > is > 500 ppm which is unheard of. This brings up two questions: What > laboratory > tested your colloidal silver and what is your doctorate in? The right > answers > would be very helpful to us, the wrong answers or no answer would be of > interest to the FDA and the FTC. > > Thank you for your time. > Andrew Scott > ascottsil...@aol.com > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
The only real questions are How strong can you make it and still have small particles? No one really knows and no one has had much success with very high concentrations...mileage varies. If it is 500 PPM, is it small colorless particles or does it look like brown, black or green mud? Anyone can make mud. Ken At 09:20 AM 9/26/02 +0600, you wrote: >Rich and All, >Which is your question? 1. Is the doctor talking nonsense about FDA >approval?, or is it, 2. Additional to #1, is 500ppm CS nonsense? > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
- Original Message - > Which is your question? 1. Is the doctor talking nonsense about FDA > approval? Yes. > 2. Additional to #1, is 500ppm CS nonsense? I won't go into this, there are others more qualified then I that can comment with, I assume, factual data. Respectfully, Rich Adams > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
I will contact them tomorrow. We had CS tested by UT and they found effectiveness in the less than 1 ppm range. Marshall Rich Adams wrote: > This is a reply from a company selling 500ppm CS. I need all your > valuable input please. This is the reply from one Dr. Lynn who owns the > website (www.graywhalebotanicals.com) where she is selling it. > > "<< I tend to follow clinical stuff and this is what I use: clinical > laboratory tests at Eastern Tennessee State University, Dept. of > Microbiology, show that the level for effectiveness is at least 250 parts > per > million. The 500 ppm is a clinical dosage and is only sold to licensed > practitioners. The 500 ppm is approved by the FDA and there is no known > toxicity reported by the U.S. Poison Control Center. >>" > > The FDA approved this? Is this "Dr" talking nonsense? It sounds like it. > > > If you have input and can specify links, that would be much appreciated. > > Thanks! > > Respectfully, > Rich Adams > rad...@kc.rr.com > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
I think this CS BS runs deep. - Original Message - From: "Rich Adams" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 4:04 PM Subject: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS > This is a reply from a company selling 500ppm CS. I need all your > valuable input please. This is the reply from one Dr. Lynn who owns the > website (www.graywhalebotanicals.com) where she is selling it. > > > "<< I tend to follow clinical stuff and this is what I use: clinical > laboratory tests at Eastern Tennessee State University, Dept. of > Microbiology, show that the level for effectiveness is at least 250 parts > per > million. The 500 ppm is a clinical dosage and is only sold to licensed > practitioners. The 500 ppm is approved by the FDA and there is no known > toxicity reported by the U.S. Poison Control Center. >>" > > > The FDA approved this? Is this "Dr" talking nonsense? > > If you have input and can specify links, that would be much appreciated. > > Thanks! > > Respectfully, > Rich Adams > rad...@kc.rr.com > > > > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
