Re: CS>request

[Hank]

First get a PWT meter to test the DW and the PPMs 
Second take any power supply you may have from AC to 6Vdc to 40Vdc (your 
Scanner, Printer plugin will work) and two . silver wires, Put the + to one 
wire and the - to the other wire and you have what any of these high priced 
gen's have, other than you have to watch the PWT meter each hour or so to see 
what PPM you have other than a auto shut off. ( that is BS anyway) Even the 
seller's will tell you this.
Sincerely Yours,
Hank
http://hdka.stormpages.com/indexf.html
http://www.babelmagazine.com/wing.html
http://members.myecom.net/hdka/ct/ct.html

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ann Furgurson 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 6:55 PM
  Subject: CS>request





  Hi All!
  I've been a silent participant of this newsletter
  for a month or two, but still have some very basic
  questions. I am a natural healer and have been using
  and making CS for about 18 months ( but making it the
  "wrong" way- heating it, using saline and making very
  high ppm - I was using Metcaff's first book.) Now I
  want to buy a new generator that will make CS that is
  stable, of high quality, with consistently small
  particles. I know that much. What I don't know is what
  to buy. I think that low voltage is good too, right? I
  feel that I need a degree in chemistry to understand
  how it is made! I understand the applications and have
  had wonderful results with CS, but I really want to
  make it right. I see that Ruth bought a generator from
  silverpuppy.com. What do any of you think about the
  generator from
  wishgranted.com/Colloidal_Silver_Generator? It's
  called the colloid Master. I'll explain a little about
  it, but it would be better if someone who knows
  something could check it out and let me know please.
  It's low voltage, automatic shutoff, current and
  voltage are modulated for optimal particle size,
  constant current devise, bi-directional current
  pattern to the electrodes, so no stirring needed. It
  has adjustable ppm and shut-off, built in water
  quality test function. One sells for $99- the other
  $149.
   I would appreciate so much if someone could let
  me know what they think about this generator or if
  they know of a better one. Your help will in turn
  allow me to help many more people. Thank you!

  Ann 

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Re: CS>request

[Ode Coyote]

   Auto shutoff is keyed to the current controls and moniters the water 
exactly in the same way that a PWT does...by checking conductivity.  [By 
monitering voltage drop]
  In order to work right, the electrodes must have a set surface area and 
be kept at a set distance apart and be parallel, there should be some way 
of distributing the ions so they don't from denser pathways in the water 
and the generator must have current control.
  If all these factors are considered in the design of the generator, it's 
highly repeatable.   It's not as accurate as, or temperature compensated or 
give you numbers on a display like a meter but it's very close  within 
a few microsiemens.


Any device that counts on time without controlling current AND giving you a 
monitered starting point to time from...that's BS.
 Timers won't work unless you know where you are and how fast you're 
going.  Constant voltage from battery packs and wall warts is like driving 
an accelerating vehicle without a speedometer. You can do it IF you know 
the acceleration curve and where you started from.  [fat chance]
 Using a meter to constantly check is like stopping and asking 
directions.  That will work.


 Monitering current rise at a constant voltage will also work but it's 
difficult to make excellent CS  very strong with high currents and you may 
find yourself limited to 3 to 5 PPM.  [Electrode area and distance is still 
a factor there]
   The 6 volt scanner adapter will do better but take longer than the 40 
volt one.


 You can in fact use distance to your advantage by making the electrodes 
movable on a calibrated mount like a ruler. Move the electrodes apart every 
so often to a certain distance and current will stay at a fairly constant 
rate. [you can at least control it] How far and when can be determined with 
an ammeter and correlated to PPM with a conductivity meter or some pretty 
complicated math.

 Same thing can be done with a potentiometer and an ammeter.
..now to pay attention for that long.



Ode

At 07:54 PM 6/8/2003 -0500, you wrote:

First get a PWT meter to test the DW and the PPMs
Second take any power supply you may have from AC to 6Vdc to 40Vdc (your 
Scanner, Printer plugin will work) and two . silver wires, Put the + 
to one wire and the - to the other wire and you have what any of these 
high priced gen's have, other than you have to watch the PWT meter each 
hour or so to see what PPM you have other than a auto shut off. ( that is 
BS anyway) Even the seller's will tell you this.

Sincerely Yours,
Hank
http://hdka.stormpages.com/indexf.html
http://www.babelmagazine.com/wing.html
http://members.myecom.net/hdka/ct/ct.html

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From: Ann Furgurson
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 6:55 PM
Subject: CS>request




Hi All!
I've been a silent participant of this newsletter
for a month or two, but still have some very basic
questions. I am a natural healer and have been using
and making CS for about 18 months ( but making it the
"wrong" way- heating it, using saline and making very
high ppm - I was using Metcaff's first book.) Now I
want to buy a new generator that will make CS that is
stable, of high quality, with consistently small
particles. I know that much. What I don't know is what
to buy. I think that low voltage is good too, right? I
feel that I need a degree in chemistry to understand
how it is made! I understand the applications and have
had wonderful results with CS, but I really want to
make it right. I see that Ruth bought a generator from
silverpuppy.com. What do any of you think about the
generator from
wishgranted.com/Colloidal_Silver_Generator? It's
called the colloid Master. I'll explain a little about
it, but it would be better if someone who knows
something could check it out and let me know please.
It's low voltage, automatic shutoff, current and
voltage are modulated for optimal particle size,
constant current devise, bi-directional current
pattern to the electrodes, so no stirring needed. It
has adjustable ppm and shut-off, built in water
quality test function. One sells for $99- the other
$149.
 I would appreciate so much if someone could let
me know what they think about this generator or if
they know of a better one. Your help will in turn
allow me to help many more people. Thank you!

Ann

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Re: CS>request

[Ruth Bertella]

This is all still really new to me, but I have made several different size 
batches of CS with the silverpuppy generator which includes an auto shut off.   
All of my one pint batches have been consistently turning off after about 1 to 
1 1/2 hours.  All of my different size batches had different "cooking" times (I 
always use a "starter" of pre-made CS as suggested in some earlier threads).   
The one batch I made using a 1 quart jar took over 3 hours, so I've decided to 
stick with the pint size.

I even did a "test" on 2 different size batches.   After they were done and the 
generator was unplugged, I waited a while and plugged the generator back in.   
After MAYBE a minute or two (at most) the generator shut off automatically.   
So wouldn't this tell me that my batches should pretty consistently be good 
clear quality 24 ppm CS?   Since what I've been reading there is quite a bit of 
a margin of error with the meters (at least some of them), would there really 
be a need for PWT testers.   I don't even have to keep a watch on my "brew"...  
 I just know to come back in an hour or so if I want to start anew batch.

Still learning   Ruth
  - Original Message - 
  From: Hank 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 7:54 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>request


  First get a PWT meter to test the DW and the PPMs 
  Second take any power supply you may have from AC to 6Vdc to 40Vdc (your 
Scanner, Printer plugin will work) and two . silver wires, Put the + to one 
wire and the - to the other wire and you have what any of these high priced 
gen's have, other than you have to watch the PWT meter each hour or so to see 
what PPM you have other than a auto shut off. ( that is BS anyway) Even the 
seller's will tell you this.
  Sincerely Yours,
  Hank
  http://hdka.stormpages.com/indexf.html
  http://www.babelmagazine.com/wing.html
  http://members.myecom.net/hdka/ct/ct.html

- Original Message - 
From: Ann Furgurson 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 6:55 PM
Subject: CS>request





Hi All!
I've been a silent participant of this newsletter
for a month or two, but still have some very basic
questions. I am a natural healer and have been using
and making CS for about 18 months ( but making it the
"wrong" way- heating it, using saline and making very
high ppm - I was using Metcaff's first book.) Now I
want to buy a new generator that will make CS that is
stable, of high quality, with consistently small
particles. I know that much. What I don't know is what
to buy. I think that low voltage is good too, right? I
feel that I need a degree in chemistry to understand
how it is made! I understand the applications and have
had wonderful results with CS, but I really want to
make it right. I see that Ruth bought a generator from
silverpuppy.com. What do any of you think about the
generator from
wishgranted.com/Colloidal_Silver_Generator? It's
called the colloid Master. I'll explain a little about
it, but it would be better if someone who knows
something could check it out and let me know please.
It's low voltage, automatic shutoff, current and
voltage are modulated for optimal particle size,
constant current devise, bi-directional current
pattern to the electrodes, so no stirring needed. It
has adjustable ppm and shut-off, built in water
quality test function. One sells for $99- the other
$149.
 I would appreciate so much if someone could let
me know what they think about this generator or if
they know of a better one. Your help will in turn
allow me to help many more people. Thank you!

Ann 

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Re: CS>request

[Mike Monett]

url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m59963.html
Re: CS>request
From: Ruth Bertella
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 07:36:10

  > This is  all  still  really new to me,  but  I  have  made several
  > different size batches of CS with the silverpuppy  generator which
  > includes an  auto shut off. All of my one pint  batches  have been
  > consistently turning  off after about 1 to 1 1/2 hours. All  of my
  > different size batches had different "cooking" times (I always use
  > a "starter" of pre-made CS as suggested in some  earlier threads).
  > The one  batch  I made using a 1 quart jar took over  3  hours, so
  > I've decided to stick with the pint size.

  > I even  did a "test" on 2 different size batches. After  they were
  > done and the generator was unplugged, I waited a while and plugged
  > the generator  back in. After MAYBE a minute or two (at  most) the
  > generator shut off automatically. So wouldn't this tell me that my
  > batches should  pretty consistently be good clear  quality  24 ppm
  > CS? Since what I've been reading there is quite a bit of  a margin
  > of error  with  the meters (at least some  of  them),  would there
  > really be  a  need for PWT testers. I don't even  have  to  keep a
  > watch on my "brew"... I just know to come back in an hour or so if
  > I want to start anew batch.

  > Still learning Ruth

  Hi Ruth,

  Different size  batches will have different brewing  times  to reach
  the same  concentration. Think of it as baking a wedding  cake  vs a
  cupcake -  the  wedding cake takes more sugar. Since  the  silver is
  added to the water at a constant rate, it takes more time to  brew a
  larger batch.

  You can  check  the results of different brews  by  putting  a small
  amount in  a  glass  and adding a few shakes of  salt.  As  the salt
  dissolves, the chlorine from the salt reacts with the silver ions to
  form silver chloride. This makes a pale blue/milky white  cloud that
  hangs in  the  water. Cover the glass with saran  wrap  to  keep the
  water from evaporating.

  Repeat this  for different batches and compare the  strength  of the
  cloud from each. They should be the same. Once you are confident the
  system is  repeatable, you only need to check from time  to  time to
  verify that  nothing has changed. For example, it's a  good  idea to
  check when you get distilled water from a different supplier.

  Once you get the hang of it, the salt test is very convincing.

Best Regards,

Mike Monett


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Re: CS>request

[sol]

Ruth,
  You didn't say if all your batches have come out clear? Pint batches come out 
well for me too, with the same model generator you have. I did get a meter due 
to DW problems and inconsistencies (I just posted in more detail about the DW 
here). I no longer seed my batches of CS, nor do I pre-heat the DW, just use it 
room temp. 
  My 2 cents is that if you aren't having any batches turn unexpectedly yellow, 
you likely don't need the meter. I bought one, because the inconsistencies in 
how my CS was turning out were driving me completely nuts. 
paula
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ruth Bertella 

  This is all still really new to me, but I have made several different size 
batches of CS with the silverpuppy generator which includes an auto shut off.   
All of my one pint batches have been consistently turning off after about 1 to 
1 1/2 hours.  All of my different size batches had different "cooking" times (I 
always use a "starter" of pre-made CS as suggested in some earlier threads).   
The one batch I made using a 1 quart jar took over 3 hours, so I've decided to 
stick with the pint size.

Re: CS>request

[Ode Coyote]

At 09:43 AM 6/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
This is all still really new to me, but I have made several different size 
batches of CS with the silverpuppy generator which includes an auto shut 
off.   All of my one pint batches have been consistently turning off after 
about 1 to 1 1/2 hours.  All of my different size batches had different 
"cooking" times (I always use a "starter" of pre-made CS as suggested in 
some earlier threads).   The one batch I made using a 1 quart jar took 
over 3 hours, so I've decided to stick with the pint size.


3 to 4 hours would be the norm for a quart with some starter.  4 to 
6 hours without any starter wouldn't be abnormal.
 Adding starter CS changes the point from which you start. If you don't 
calculate how much in what, you won't know what that is, but it doesn't 
matter. The gen turns off when the conditions meet certain specs no matter 
the resuting concentration of the starter mix or initial water 
conductivity.  But initial conductivity of the water does get added with 
the end setting because the generator can't tell the difference between 
contaminants and silver.  Final PPM at shutdown is total PPM of whatever is 
in there.




I even did a "test" on 2 different size batches.   After they were done 
and the generator was unplugged, I waited a while and plugged the 
generator back in.   After MAYBE a minute or two (at most) the generator 
shut off automatically.   So wouldn't this tell me that my batches should 
pretty consistently be good clear quality 24 ppm CS?




  Yes, according to MY  2 PWTs and one Dist1  all  with the factory 
calibration. One PWT and the Dist1 are factory certified.. one PWT is not 
but reads the same.





Since what I've been reading there is quite a bit of a margin of error 
with the meters (at least some of them), would there really be a need for 
PWT testers.   I don't even have to keep a watch on my "brew"...   I just 
know to come back in an hour or so if I want to start anew batch.


 The PWTs are actually very good.  The problem is with which calibration 
system you use.  [factory setting vs re-setting with the factory supplied 
...for an additional $11...solution] In either case, the PWT does what it's 
told to do...it's just that the instructions..what it's told to do... yield 
such different but repeatable results. [at least with MY calibration 
solution. Perhaps I got a bad bottle?]




Ode [ ken]




Still learning   Ruth
- Original Message -
From: <mailto:h...@arkansas.net>Hank
To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: CS>request

First get a PWT meter to test the DW and the PPMs
Second take any power supply you may have from AC to 6Vdc to 40Vdc (your 
Scanner, Printer plugin will work) and two . silver wires, Put the + 
to one wire and the - to the other wire and you have what any of these 
high priced gen's have, other than you have to watch the PWT meter each 
hour or so to see what PPM you have other than a auto shut off. ( that is 
BS anyway) Even the seller's will tell you this.

Sincerely Yours,
<http://hdka.stormpages.com/indexf.html>Hank
http://hdka.stormpages.com/indexf.html
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http://members.myecom.net/hdka/ct/ct.html
- Original Message -
From: <mailto:annfurgur...@yahoo.com>Ann Furgurson
To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 6:55 PM
Subject: CS>request



Hi All!
I've been a silent participant of this newsletter
for a month or two, but still have some very basic
questions. I am a natural healer and have been using
and making CS for about 18 months ( but making it the
"wrong" way- heating it, using saline and making very
high ppm - I was using Metcaff's first book.) Now I
want to buy a new generator that will make CS that is
stable, of high quality, with consistently small
particles. I know that much. What I don't know is what
to buy. I think that low voltage is good too, right? I
feel that I need a degree in chemistry to understand
how it is made! I understand the applications and have
had wonderful results with CS, but I really want to
make it right. I see that Ruth bought a generator from
silverpuppy.com. What do any of you think about the
generator from
wishgranted.com/Colloidal_Silver_Generator? It's
called the colloid Master. I'll explain a little about
it, but it would be better if someone who knows
something could check it out and let me know please.
It's low voltage, automatic shutoff, current and
voltage are modulated for optimal particle size,
constant current devise, bi-directional current
pattern to the electrodes, so no stirring needed. It
has adjustable ppm and shut-off, built in w

Re: CS>request

[Ode Coyote]

  Paula
 If your pints are coming out well, stick to pints. Two pints go faster 
than a quart anyhow.
 A quart jar is getting close to too tall for the [vertically challenged] 
thermal stir effect at 7 watts and if you're treading edges of stability 
due to water quality variations [most people aren't], that's one way to tip 
the scale back in your favor.
 If you can find a larger jar that's not as tall, that might be a solution 
for you too.  Pickle jar?
 I've used a Mount Olive 46 oz jar that fits the gen using the beaker 
adapter ring for years and the stirring was quite sufficient.

 Ode [ken]

At 11:33 AM 6/9/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Ruth,
  You didn't say if all your batches have come out clear? Pint batches 
come out well for me too, with the same model generator you have. I did 
get a meter due to DW problems and inconsistencies (I just posted in more 
detail about the DW here). I no longer seed my batches of CS, nor do I 
pre-heat the DW, just use it room temp.
  My 2 cents is that if you aren't having any batches turn unexpectedly 
yellow, you likely don't need the meter. I bought one, because the 
inconsistencies in how my CS was turning out were driving me completely nuts.

paula
- Original Message -
From: Ruth Bertella

This is all still really new to me, but I have made several different size 
batches of CS with the silverpuppy generator which includes an auto shut 
off.   All of my one pint batches have been consistently turning off after 
about 1 to 1 1/2 hours.  All of my different size batches had different 
"cooking" times (I always use a "starter" of pre-made CS as suggested in 
some earlier threads).   The one batch I made using a 1 quart jar took 
over 3 hours, so I've decided to stick with the pint size.





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Re: CS>request

[Ruth Bertella]

Hi Paula -

So far, ALL my CS has come out crystal clear using room temp DW and a small of 
amount of starter CS from the previous brew.   My oldest batch is two weeks old 
today (told ya I was new to this) and still clear (it's stored in my empty DW 
gallon jug).

Thanks...   Ruth
  - Original Message - 
  From: sol 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 12:33 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>request


  Ruth,
You didn't say if all your batches have come out clear? Pint batches come 
out well for me too, with the same model generator you have. I did get a meter 
due to DW problems and inconsistencies (I just posted in more detail about the 
DW here). I no longer seed my batches of CS, nor do I pre-heat the DW, just use 
it room temp. 
My 2 cents is that if you aren't having any batches turn unexpectedly 
yellow, you likely don't need the meter. I bought one, because the 
inconsistencies in how my CS was turning out were driving me completely nuts. 
  paula
- Original Message - 
From: Ruth Bertella 

This is all still really new to me, but I have made several different size 
batches of CS with the silverpuppy generator which includes an auto shut off.   
All of my one pint batches have been consistently turning off after about 1 to 
1 1/2 hours.  All of my different size batches had different "cooking" times (I 
always use a "starter" of pre-made CS as suggested in some earlier threads).   
The one batch I made using a 1 quart jar took over 3 hours, so I've decided to 
stick with the pint size.

Re: CS>request

[sol]

Ruth,
   I find that quart size batches with the silverpuppy are a little iffy, 
while, as you find, (given good DW) pint batches are very stable. When I want a 
little bigger batch I go to a 24 oz bottle, like spaghetti sauces come in. Its 
a good inbetween size, brews faster than a quart, stays very stable. And it 
gives yu a pint to pour off and use, and 8 oz to use for seeding the next 
batch. Seeding with 8 oz of CS considerably shortens the brew time.
  The thing, imho, that happens with quart batches is that the thermal stirring 
is at about the limit of its ability to stir when you use a quart. So a quick 
stir with a long spoon a couple times during the run helps. I've been meaning 
to ask Ken if a higher wattage light bulb could be used for quarts (if a small 
bulb of higher wattage that would fit even exists). So far I've neither asked 
him, nor looked to see if alternative bulbs are available, though, so this is 
pure speculation. Again, the problems I have can all be attributed to iffy DW.
paula
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Ruth Bertella 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:23 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>request


  Hi Paula -

  So far, ALL my CS has come out crystal clear using room temp DW and a small 
of amount of starter CS from the previous brew.   My oldest batch is two weeks 
old today (told ya I was new to this) and still clear (it's stored in my empty 
DW gallon jug).

  Thanks...   Ruth

Re: CS>request

[sol]

For my self, because of the iffy DW, and the fact that even using the
PWT there is something it does not detect in some bottles of water
that leads to some of my CS turning pale straw color after 24 to 48
hours of storage. So I no longer use any starter CS to seed new
batches. And I have found that unless I seed heavily (such as 8 oz CS
in a  24 oz batch) it does not make much difference in the time a
batch takes. The difference between 3 hrs or 4 hrs just isn't critical
to me.
paula
- Original Message -
From: "Ode Coyote" 

>
> 3 to 4 hours would be the norm for a quart with some starter.
4 to
> 6 hours without any starter wouldn't be abnormal.
>   Adding starter CS changes the point from which you start. If you
don't
> calculate how much in what, you won't know what that is,



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Re: CS>request

[sol]

Well, I should have read your second post, Ken, before replying.
I am indeed looking for a shorter jar that holds about 48 oz.
Thanks!
paula
- Original Message -
From: "Ode Coyote" 

>   If your pints are coming out well, stick to pints. Two pints go
faster
> than a quart anyhow.
>   A quart jar is getting close to too tall for the [vertically
challenged]
> thermal stir effect at 7 watts and if you're treading edges of
stability
> due to water quality variations [most people aren't], that's one way
to tip
> the scale back in your favor.
>   If you can find a larger jar that's not as tall, that might be a
solution
> for you too.  Pickle jar?
>   I've used a Mount Olive 46 oz jar that fits the gen using the
beaker
> adapter ring for years and the stirring was quite sufficient.
>   Ode [ken]




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Re: CS>request

[Jack Dayton]

sol  6/10/03 11:35 AM

Seeding with 8 oz of CS considerably shortens the brew time.
*

Hey Paula, do you have a bus to catch?

My generator has a conductivity light that glows
green when brewing has begun -- I add 2 oz
to a 42 oz container, and it is ready to go.

Jack

   I wish the buck stopped here; I sure could use a few... 

Re: CS>request

[sol]

Re: CS>requestJack,
  Thanks for the laugh! I meant to say that my experience is that unless I seed 
with a large amount of CS the time difference isn't that much, so why bother? 
Especially for me personally, when I have such iffy water and don't really know 
for certain if my CS will stay clear until it has been stored for about 48 
hours. 
paula

From: Jack Dayton To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

  Hey Paula, do you have a bus to catch?

Re: CS>request

[Ode Coyote]

  I have noticed an effect now and then I call 'crystal patterning' where 
whatever you start with winds up being similar to what you end up with.
 So, if you use a colored batch to seed the next batch, it'll likely 
develop a color too.

Ode

At 12:42 PM 6/10/2003 -0600, you wrote:

For my self, because of the iffy DW, and the fact that even using the
PWT there is something it does not detect in some bottles of water
that leads to some of my CS turning pale straw color after 24 to 48
hours of storage. So I no longer use any starter CS to seed new
batches. And I have found that unless I seed heavily (such as 8 oz CS
in a  24 oz batch) it does not make much difference in the time a
batch takes. The difference between 3 hrs or 4 hrs just isn't critical
to me.
paula
- Original Message -
From: "Ode Coyote" 

>
> 3 to 4 hours would be the norm for a quart with some starter.
4 to
> 6 hours without any starter wouldn't be abnormal.
>   Adding starter CS changes the point from which you start. If you
don't
> calculate how much in what, you won't know what that is,



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Re: CS>request

[Robert Berger]

Hi Ken,

You are 100% correct! the final batch will mirror the seed, so be careful.

That is why I very seldom use a seed.

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Re: CS>request

[Jack Dayton]

sol  6/10/03  4:33 PM

Jack,
  Thanks for the laugh! I meant to say that my experience is that unless I
seed with a large amount of CS the time difference isn't that much, so why
bother? Especially for me personally, when I have such iffy water and don't
really know for certain if my CS will stay clear until it has been stored
for about 48 hours.
paula


**
Hi Paula

Think about this, if the CS you are using to seed with is bad,
it will contaminate the fresh batch and you end up with
more of the same stuff.

Try tossing whatever you have, carefully clean out the
brewing and storage containers - rinse carefully with DW.

Now brew a new batch, no seed, in 100 degree DW
and see if this might produce a satisfactory batch that
doesn't change color before you have used it up.
If that turns out OK then save some ( just a small
amount will do :-)  for seeding, but remember that if
you get another bad batch, don't use it to seed. 


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Re: CS>request

[sol]

Jack,
  I've been doing basically what you suggest for months now, with two
exceptions: I never seed anymore at all. And I no longer preheat the
DW to 100 degrees. Pre-heating, probably due to the crazy DW here,
made nearly every batch turn out very yellow. For a while there, I did
have some problems that were due to my having washed my brewing jars
with detergent--I was given advice not to do that, and how to fix it,
any current color issues are due to water problems, as best I can
determine.
paula
- Original Message -
From: "Jack Dayton" 

> Hi Paula
>
> Now brew a new batch, no seed, in 100 degree DW
> and see if this might produce a satisfactory batch that
> doesn't change color before you have used it up.
> If that turns out OK then save some ( just a small
> amount will do :-)  for seeding, but remember that if
> you get another bad batch, don't use it to seed.




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Re: CS>request

[sol]

   Again, that is why I no longer seed any batches. I prefer to brew
several batches over the course of a couple days once or twice a
month, rather than be brewing CS every other day (we use a lot of CS).
So I don't really have time to let every batch sit for 2 days to see
if it will remain clear and be acceptable for use for seeding--so I
just make every batch "from scratch" these days. It is just simpler
for me that way.
paula

- Original Message -
From: "Ode Coyote" 


>
>I have noticed an effect now and then I call 'crystal patterning'
where
> whatever you start with winds up being similar to what you end up
with.
>   So, if you use a colored batch to seed the next batch, it'll
likely
> develop a color too.
> Ode




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Re: CS>request

[Jack Dayton]

sol 6/11/03  5:11 PM

> ... I did
> have some problems that were due to my having washed my brewing jars...

Paula,
 give some thought to doing all of your brewing
in a specific jar, and when not in use, keep it covered,
or maybe store it upside down. You should seldom
have a need to clean it.

JACK
   GREAT TRUTHS ABOUT LIFE, THAT LITTLE CHILDREN HAVE LEARNED:
   Don't wear polka-dot underwear under white
shorts.


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Re: CS>request

[sol]

Jack,
 Thanks for the suggestions:  I'm ahead of you on that, what you
suggest is exactly what I have been doing for a few months now.
  Today, I decided to try "storing" the electrodes in DW, by rinsing
and refilling the brew jar, and setting the generator in place ready
to go for the next batch. I'm curious to see if that has any effect at
all on results.
paula

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From: "Jack Dayton" 
>  give some thought to doing all of your brewing
> in a specific jar, and when not in use, keep it covered,
> or maybe store it upside down. You should seldom
> have a need to clean it.




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Re: CS>request

[Ode Coyote]

 I'd be a little concerned about day after day, month after month of 
condensation forming in the sockets.  It "probably" won't hurt 
anything...but, it'll never dry out either.
 I know two people who insist on doing just that and no problems so far 
after a year..but.  Hummm


 I can see a possibility that if water were to build up in there that some 
of the socket material could plate from one to the other and eventually 
build up a conductive track that could throw the gen off and maybe even 
leak down into the CS batch.


 I'd let the thing dry out between batches.

Ode

At 05:49 PM 6/12/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Jack,
 Thanks for the suggestions:  I'm ahead of you on that, what you
suggest is exactly what I have been doing for a few months now.
  Today, I decided to try "storing" the electrodes in DW, by rinsing
and refilling the brew jar, and setting the generator in place ready
to go for the next batch. I'm curious to see if that has any effect at
all on results.
paula

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From: "Jack Dayton" 
>  give some thought to doing all of your brewing
> in a specific jar, and when not in use, keep it covered,
> or maybe store it upside down. You should seldom
> have a need to clean it.




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Re: CS>request

[sol]

Ken,
  OK, makes sense. Reason I wanted to try it was to keep the wires
from tarnishing in the air, any ideas?
paula
- Original Message -
From: "Ode Coyote" 

>   I'd be a little concerned about day after day, month after month
of
> condensation forming in the sockets.  It "probably" won't hurt
> anything...but, it'll never dry out either.
>   I know two people who insist on doing just that and no problems so
far
> after a year..but.  Hummm
>
>   I can see a possibility that if water were to build up in there
that some
> of the socket material could plate from one to the other and
eventually
> build up a conductive track that could throw the gen off and maybe
even
> leak down into the CS batch.
>
>   I'd let the thing dry out between batches.




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Re: CS>request

[Tony Moody]

Paula,
Our family Silver was always wrapped in tissue paper and put away in the 
dark. Apparently sulphur fumes cause the silver to go black and tissue paper

slowed the process.
Tony


sol wrote:

Ken,
  OK, makes sense. Reason I wanted to try it was to keep the wires
from tarnishing in the air, any ideas?
paula





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Re: CS>request

[Ode Coyote]

  You could just store the electrodes in distilled water.  Keep an eye out 
for any changes around the adapter.
 Seems to me that one an electrode gets a grey or black surface on it, 
that alone will protect it from tarnish.  I've never had a problem with 
it...only a very slight change on old unused silver that's easily 
removed...never on a used electrode.

A layer of tarnish would be quite thin and harmless.
If the electrodes are getting a heavy tarnish just sitting around, it's 
sulpher for the most part that does the tarnishing, so you might have some 
sulphuric acid in your air?  Could that be a source of the problems you 
have with the larger batches

 Do you have a coal fired power plant up wind?
 I believe your part of the world does have sulpher mines.
 It would be interesting to see if your electrodes tarnish in your DW

Ode [ken]

At 05:21 PM 6/15/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Ken,
  OK, makes sense. Reason I wanted to try it was to keep the wires
from tarnishing in the air, any ideas?
paula
- Original Message -
From: "Ode Coyote" 

>   I'd be a little concerned about day after day, month after month
of
> condensation forming in the sockets.  It "probably" won't hurt
> anything...but, it'll never dry out either.
>   I know two people who insist on doing just that and no problems so
far
> after a year..but.  Hummm
>
>   I can see a possibility that if water were to build up in there
that some
> of the socket material could plate from one to the other and
eventually
> build up a conductive track that could throw the gen off and maybe
even
> leak down into the CS batch.
>
>   I'd let the thing dry out between batches.




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Re: CS>request

[Marshall Dudley]

Keep away from any sources of hydrogen sulfide.  Tarnish is silver sulfide.

Keep away from foods and areas that have foods that give this off, such as
eggs and baked beans.  Do not pass gas in the area, and keep away from
bathrooms, and run vents when bathrooms are in use.

They should not tanish for a long time then.

Marshall

sol wrote:

> Ken,
>   OK, makes sense. Reason I wanted to try it was to keep the wires
> from tarnishing in the air, any ideas?
> paula
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ode Coyote" 
>
> >   I'd be a little concerned about day after day, month after month
> of
> > condensation forming in the sockets.  It "probably" won't hurt
> > anything...but, it'll never dry out either.
> >   I know two people who insist on doing just that and no problems so
> far
> > after a year..but.  Hummm
> >
> >   I can see a possibility that if water were to build up in there
> that some
> > of the socket material could plate from one to the other and
> eventually
> > build up a conductive track that could throw the gen off and maybe
> even
> > leak down into the CS batch.
> >
> >   I'd let the thing dry out between batches.
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RE: CS>Request

[I Anderson]

Time for another 'Chateaux Pomeroy's' Brooks.

I think you might be meaning Alvin Rose you should be able to reach
him at:
 i...@rtvc-2000.com

Merry Christmas to you also, and many more!

Ivan.


> -Original Message-
> From: Brooks Bradley [mailto:liat...@flash.net]
> Sent: Friday, 21 December 2001 4:26 p.m.
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>Request
>
>
> I have just...todaygotten my PC system
> cleaned and back
> up.  It was necessary to purge everything in my mail systems
> and during
> the process I lost all of my mail archives---for both
> mailers.  The net
> result was I have lost all of my mail records for the past six
> months..both inand out.
> Recently, I mailed some benign...but
importantchemical
> to Alan Rose in Canada.  If anyone on the list happens to
> have his email
> address I would be more than appreciative for same.
> Alan, if you are listening...please send it
> to me.  I am
> most anxious to see if you have received my promised mailing.
>  Since my ISP mail back-up contained over 1500 messages,
I
> have been rather busy editing this evening.
> "She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed" (wife), daily
> reminds me I need
> a 24 hour keeper and should not be allowed to mix with the more
> "Web-Literate" young folk...such as frequent this list.
> Obstinance
> being my principal claim to intellectual substance..I refuse to
> surrender this last vestige of personality announcing my worth to
the
> planet.
> Additionally, since destiny may not grant
> me another
> Christmaspast this oneI hope list protocol will indulge my
> wishing each of you only the most joyous experiences during
> this holiday
> season.
> Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley.
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Re: CS>Request

[Alvin Rose]

HI Brooks
Thanks for the message on the silver list
I didn't receive the package you sent out.
Please advise how it was sent and the date
I will check it on this end..Sorry to hear you
are having troubles with your computer as it can
create a problem with valuable information lost.
Wishing you and the Silver List a Merry Christmas and
a happy new year...Colloidal Silver is still the
best thing for 2002.
Alvin


 I have just...todaygotten my PC system cleaned and back
up.  It was necessary to purge everything in my mail systems and during
the process I lost all of my mail archives---for both mailers.  The net
result was I have lost all of my mail records for the past six
months..both inand out.
Recently, I mailed some benign...but importantchemical
to Alan Rose in Canada.  If anyone on the list happens to have his email
address I would be more than appreciative for same.
Alan, if you are listening...please send it to me.  I am
most anxious to see if you have received my promised mailing.
 Since my ISP mail back-up contained over 1500 messages, I
have been rather busy editing this evening.
"She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed" (wife), daily reminds me I need
a 24 hour keeper and should not be allowed to mix with the more
"Web-Literate" young folk...such as frequent this list.  Obstinance
being my principal claim to intellectual substance..I refuse to
surrender this last vestige of personality announcing my worth to the
planet.
Additionally, since destiny may not grant me another
Christmaspast this oneI hope list protocol will indulge my
wishing each of you only the most joyous experiences during this holiday
season.
Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley.


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Re: CS>Request

[J.M. Mitchell,Jr.]

BROOKS:  I am sure that I speak for all;  it is good to have to back on
line.  Merry Christmas and many more to you!

Joe Mitchell

Brooks Bradley wrote:
> 
> I have just...todaygotten my PC system cleaned and back
> up.  It was necessary to purge everything in my mail systems and during
> the process I lost all of my mail archives---for both mailers.  The net
> result was I have lost all of my mail records for the past six
> months..both inand out.
> Recently, I mailed some benign...but importantchemical
> to Alan Rose in Canada.  If anyone on the list happens to have his email
> address I would be more than appreciative for same.
> Alan, if you are listening...please send it to me.  I am
> most anxious to see if you have received my promised mailing.
>  Since my ISP mail back-up contained over 1500 messages, I
> have been rather busy editing this evening.
> "She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed" (wife), daily reminds me I need
> a 24 hour keeper and should not be allowed to mix with the more
> "Web-Literate" young folk...such as frequent this list.  Obstinance
> being my principal claim to intellectual substance..I refuse to
> surrender this last vestige of personality announcing my worth to the
> planet.
> Additionally, since destiny may not grant me another
> Christmaspast this oneI hope list protocol will indulge my
> wishing each of you only the most joyous experiences during this holiday
> season.
> Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley.
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Re: CS>Request

[Brooks Bradley]

Dear Alvin,
I mailed the package on December 7, 2001, at 1:oo p.m.  The
Customs
Label # is CP951809193US.  It was mailed at the Alvarado, Texas Post Office.
Sincerely,  Brooks.
Alvin Rose wrote:

> HI Brooks
> Thanks for the message on the silver list
> I didn't receive the package you sent out.
> Please advise how it was sent and the date
> I will check it on this end..Sorry to hear you
> are having troubles with your computer as it can
> create a problem with valuable information lost.
> Wishing you and the Silver List a Merry Christmas and
> a happy new year...Colloidal Silver is still the
> best thing for 2002.
> Alvin
>
>   I have just...todaygotten my PC system cleaned and back
> up.  It was necessary to purge everything in my mail systems and during
> the process I lost all of my mail archives---for both mailers.  The net
> result was I have lost all of my mail records for the past six
> months..both inand out.
>  Recently, I mailed some benign...but importantchemical
> to Alan Rose in Canada.  If anyone on the list happens to have his email
> address I would be more than appreciative for same.
>  Alan, if you are listening...please send it to me.  I am
> most anxious to see if you have received my promised mailing.
>   Since my ISP mail back-up contained over 1500 messages, I
> have been rather busy editing this evening.
>  "She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed" (wife), daily reminds me I need
> a 24 hour keeper and should not be allowed to mix with the more
> "Web-Literate" young folk...such as frequent this list.  Obstinance
> being my principal claim to intellectual substance..I refuse to
> surrender this last vestige of personality announcing my worth to the
> planet.
>  Additionally, since destiny may not grant me another
> Christmaspast this oneI hope list protocol will indulge my
> wishing each of you only the most joyous experiences during this holiday
> season.
>  Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley.
>
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Re: CS>Request

[Deborah Gerard]

diatomaceous earth is in the subject and the question was pertaining to it !





From: Dick Rochon 
To: Deborah Gerard 
Cc: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, November 15, 2010 3:41:04 PM
Subject: CS>Request


I receive the posts in the digest form and usually just open the messages with 
the subject I am interested in, but when you reply to a message with a 
different 
topic and do not change the subject, no one can know whether to open it or not. 
Therefore we may miss something that we would be interested in.
 
Please, if you are changing the topic, change the subject also.
 
Dick

- Original Message - 
From: Deborah Gerard 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 10:36 AM
>Subject: Re: CS>"CODEX" The first shot has been fired... diatomaceous earth
>
>
>Jill where would you purchase this from?
>Thanks Deb
>
>
>
>

From: "grace1...@aol.com" 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Sent: Mon, November 15, 2010 1:32:23 PM
>Subject: Re: CS>"CODEX" The first shot has been fired
>
>Food grade diatomaceous earth (about a teaspoon consumed daily) would supply 
>minerals.  It also keeps bugs out of grain supplies and off your plants, not 
>to 
>mention out of your attic.  You can get it very cheaply in very large 
>quantities.
>
>Jill
>
>In a message dated 11/12/2010 10:39:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
>winie...@pacifier.com writes:
>I don't know if you are familiar with Joel Wallach who did the "Dead 
>>Doctors Don't Lie" tapes to get people into MLM colloidal minerals back 
>>in the mid '90's, but he maintained that given good food vitamins were 
>>not that critical since we can synthesize many in our tissues or gut 
>>with aid of bacteria (but not Vitamin C), but minerals are the basic 
>>building blocks that we must consume.   I don't know how to replace 
>>colloidal minerals, perhaps by eating kelp if available, or using 
>>glacial rock dust to grow our vegetables. 
>>
>>
>


  

Re: CS>request

[David AuBuchon]

Definetely helps lyme usually.  I would work up slowly to 8 fl oz a
day, at at pace that causes me no unpleasant herxes.

~David

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Rod Samuelson
 wrote:
> Basics on using colloidal silver:
>
> How much should I take daily?
>
> Does it help against Lyme disease?
>
> The we b says it does but I need more info than the web.
>
>
>
> Rod Samuelson
> 860-881-3734 cell
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Re: CS>Request Kelp Help

[Brooks Bradley]

Hello Mr. Meissner,
My apologies for not being more specific in that
post.most
especially relating to the "kelp Powder".  The product used must be a
SOLUBLE
powder product.  These are, actually, highly concentrated liquids which
have
been dessicated back to powder form.  11 ounces is, simply, one of the
more
common quantities marketed.  ll ounces of this material will go into
solutionvery rapidly---in one gallon of plain tap water.  The
resulting
concentrate will yield about 240 gallons of "general purpose" solution. 
e.g.
foliar spray, therapeutic level for pet/livestock watering, etc.  This
concentration at 2 fluid ounces per day (for human
volunteers)..proved
superior to any other type of mineral supplement (including fossilized
humus,
montmorillonite clays, shales, etc)..whether in liquid or powdered
form.
The kelp solution concentrate does not.of
itself..require refrigeration.  However, since it is such a powerful
support
medium for bacterial generation-even minor contamination via
bacteria plus
any nutrient form (especially sugar forms)..could result in very
sudden and
exponential blooms.  Therefore, refrigeration would be prudent for the
liquid
concentrate.   Actually, many antagonistic pathogens are subdued in the
presence
of kelp solutions--at these concentrations.
The allusion to Celtic Sea Salt was intended to emphasis
that
only sea solids containing the entire spectrum of salts and trace
elements found
in the "parent" solution of the open oceans.yields all of the
minerals
required by healthy plant and animal forms--both marine, and
terrestrial.
These materials must be harvested following only natural evaporation
conditionsin a very zeric climate (essentially desert type
atmosphere)
..if possible.  The very best materials obtained, came from the Baja
California area.  Small quantities (less than 10,000 pounds) of
unreduced/untreated "sea solids" are quite difficult to obtain from the
one
large firm controlling the salt producing enterprise in this area.
Large natural food stores are the best source for Celtic Sea
Salt.
Additionally, the "coarse" grind is much cheaper..and preferable to
the
"fine" grind.
The 35,000 ppm figure was given because it
is-approximately-the strength level of the solubilized mineral
components in "normal" sea water.
Actually, the most generally used concentration.both
for
animal watering..and plant/soil application, was on the order of
3500 ppm
(roughly, a simple dilution of 10:1 of normal sea water).
To obtain, approximately, a correct concentration in ppm
that
equates to sea water.simply dissolve the Celtic Sea Salt in one
quart of
distilled water-one teaspoon at a time and monitor with any
economical TDS
type meter.
The TDS-1 manufactured by Hanna is quite sufficient for this purpose. 
When the
concentration gets to around 15000 ppm just dilute with about 4 quarts
of
distilled water and you should get a strength reading of around 3700
ppm.
Purists can "trim-out" from there.
 Interestingly, we validated the work of Dr. Maynard
Murrary..relating to pathogenic insults and chickens.  We found it
to be
almost impossible to generate conditions facilitating successful
pathogenic
insult among chickens who were furnished the combination kelp/CS
drinking
water.free choice.  The results were---simply---beyond anything we
had ever
achieved before..from any form of nutritional and/or supplement
support
protocol.  They were achieved at astonishingly low cost levels.
At this writing, we are again in the process of
revisiting
some of our older, previous, experiments utilizing "full spectrum" sea
solids--both in solubilized form...and as "straight-run
crystals" simply
scattered upon the soil surface at concentrations between 1100 and 1500
pounds
per acre.  Although current "academic wisdom" claims the Nacl
constituent (from
such high concentrations) would be lethal to 99% of all terrestrial
plant
forms...we have experienced nothing but SUPERB results from EVERY
tree,
shrub, or flower subjected to this protocol.  Currently, our concensus
is that
it is CRIMINAL.in the extreme.what academia has perpetrated 
upon the
general public (at least in this instance)-whether by design or from
ignorance.
 I hope these embellishments serve to be of some value to you.
Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley.

Jim Meissner wrote:

> Dear Group:
>
> Would someone please translate Brooks Bradley's fascinating post about Kelp.
> I am over 60, so I think this may be applicable.
>
> I am guessing thatDoes thi 11 oz of kelp powder is "11 oz. dry weight" mixed
> into 1
> gallon of water?  (It does not like to mix! How do you suggest?) s
> need to be refrigerated after mixing?
>
> Then I would like to make 32 o

Re: CS>request for alkalizer plans

[brooks bradley]

Dear Duncan,
I believe the url you are looking for is

www.angelfire.com/egel/acidwate.html
Sincerely,
Brooks Bradley.


- Original Message -
From: "Duncan Crow" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 5:02 PM
Subject: CS>request for alkalizer plans


>
> Did anyone save the alkaline water maker plans?
>
> The site that had the plans seems to be down...
>
> Duncan Crow
>
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Re: CS>request for generator instuctions

[Jolly Garland]

Snap three 9 volt batteries together plus, minus,plus minus etc. Buy two
3 ft. wires with alligator clips at each end at Radio Shack and attach
to two PURE  silver wires or coins and to the end contacts of the
battery array.  Let the silver ONLY be immersed in pure distilled
waterabout one half inch apart. Add 20 grains salt to 16 ounces of
water. In 10 minutes you should have good CS. Use a laser pointer to
check for colloids.

Connie Horne wrote:
> 
> Please again, does anyone have easy instructions for the generator made from
> a model train transformer.
> (For a technically challenged person)
> The archives are too overwhelming for me to try and search for this.
> 
> Connie
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Connie Horne" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 2:43 PM
> Subject: Fw: generator
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >  Please forgive my asking,
> >  I am looking for the directions to make a CS generator using a train
> >  transformer.
> >  It was posted a long time ago and I have lost the instructions.
> >  Would someone please direct me or repost.
> >  TIA,
> >  Connie
> > >
> >
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Re: CS>request for generator instuctions

[Trem]

Connie and Jolly,

This is NOT a good way to make CS.  It is rudimentary at best.  And NEVER 
use salt.  Use distilled water only.  I'm sure Jolly has good intentions 
but there's another problem.  Placing the electrodes that close together is 
an invitation for treeing or agglomeration.


I'm sure a laser pointer test will show you have large particles.  There 
will probably be "sparklers" in it.  They are large particles.  Properly 
made CS will show a VERY weak Tyndall effect.


Use wider spacing and no salt and you'll be much better off.However, 
you still won't make the best CS.  It requires current control.


Trem
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At 01:46 PM 9/8/00 -0500, you wrote:


Snap three 9 volt batteries together plus, minus,plus minus etc. Buy two
3 ft. wires with alligator clips at each end at Radio Shack and attach
to two PURE  silver wires or coins and to the end contacts of the
battery array.  Let the silver ONLY be immersed in pure distilled
waterabout one half inch apart. Add 20 grains salt to 16 ounces of
water. In 10 minutes you should have good CS. Use a laser pointer to
check for colloids.

Connie Horne wrote:
>
> Please again, does anyone have easy instructions for the generator made 
from

> a model train transformer.
> (For a technically challenged person)
> The archives are too overwhelming for me to try and search for this.
>
> Connie
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Connie Horne" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 2:43 PM
> Subject: Fw: generator
>
> >
> >
> >
> >  Please forgive my asking,
> >  I am looking for the directions to make a CS generator using a train
> >  transformer.
> >  It was posted a long time ago and I have lost the instructions.
> >  Would someone please direct me or repost.
> >  TIA,
> >  Connie
> > >
> >
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Re: CS>request for generator instuctions

[Robert L. Berger]

Hi Connie;

A model train transformer is AC and most CS is made with DC. It would be simpler
to start witha Radio Shack wall mounted transformer that outputs  30 volts DC.
The part number is 273-1668 and costs $21.99. With this and a meter and silver
wire you wold have the simplest system that is expandable to something more
elegant.

With you train transformer you would have to make an AC to DC converter, and as
you say "technically challenged" this would be frustrating.

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Re: CS>request for generator instuctions

[Marshall Dudley]

"Robert L. Berger" wrote:

> Hi Connie;
>
> A model train transformer is AC and most CS is made with DC. It would be 
> simpler
> to start witha Radio Shack wall mounted transformer that outputs  30 volts DC.
> The part number is 273-1668 and costs $21.99. With this and a meter and silver
> wire you wold have the simplest system that is expandable to something more
> elegant.
>
> With you train transformer you would have to make an AC to DC converter, and 
> as
> you say "technically challenged" this would be frustrating.

The old Lionel trains (O scale?) used AC transformers.  But I believe the newer
smaller N and HO scale trains use DC, all you have to do is hook up the voltage 
the
opposite way and they will reverse.  To reverse the old AC ones you had to 
pulse the
power off and on.

Marshall


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Re: CS>request for generator instuctions

[M. G. Devour]

Err, if I could just "moderate" Trem's comments a *little*...

> This is NOT a good way to make CS.  It is rudimentary at best.  And
> NEVER use salt. Use distilled water only. 

It is rudimentary, and could be expedient in an emergency or survival 
situation. It is perfectly okay for topical applications and 
household use.

The Colloidal Silver produced is of larger particle size than most
experienced researchers are comfortable with these days. This could
create a problem with long term use of larger quantities, as there
may be a greater chance of argyria. However, no cases of argyria are
known even from this cruder product that was popular early on in the
modern re-discovery of CS.

> I'm sure Jolly has good intentions but there's another problem. 
> Placing the electrodes that close together is an invitation for
> treeing or agglomeration.

Not in the salt-accelerated process, which is overwith so fast that 
no treeing will have a chance to happen.

Using no salt, the electrodes should be further apart, yes.

> I'm sure a laser pointer test will show you have large particles. 
> There will probably be "sparklers" in it.  They are large particles.
>  Properly made CS will show a VERY weak Tyndall effect.

*Has* anyone made any CS the "old fashioned way" and examined the 
quality of the Tyndall beam?

> Use wider spacing and no salt and you'll be much better off.  
> However, you still won't make the best CS.  It requires current
> control.

This is true, but in a pinch I'd use whatever I had and get back to 
the better quality stuff when I was able.

Be well,

Mike D.

> 
> Trem
> www.silvergen.com
> 
> At 01:46 PM 9/8/00 -0500, you wrote:
> 
> >Snap three 9 volt batteries together plus, minus,plus minus etc. Buy two
> >3 ft. wires with alligator clips at each end at Radio Shack and attach
> >to two PURE  silver wires or coins and to the end contacts of the
> >battery array.  Let the silver ONLY be immersed in pure distilled
> >waterabout one half inch apart. Add 20 grains salt to 16 ounces of
> >water. In 10 minutes you should have good CS. Use a laser pointer to
> >check for colloids.
> >
> >Connie Horne wrote:
> > >
> > > Please again, does anyone have easy instructions for the generator made 
> > from
> > > a model train transformer.
> > > (For a technically challenged person)
> > > The archives are too overwhelming for me to try and search for this.
> > >
> > > Connie
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Connie Horne" 
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 2:43 PM
> > > Subject: Fw: generator
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  Please forgive my asking,
> > > >  I am looking for the directions to make a CS generator using a train
> > > >  transformer.
> > > >  It was posted a long time ago and I have lost the instructions.
> > > >  Would someone please direct me or repost.
> > > >  TIA,
> > > >  Connie
> > > > >
> > > >
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Re: CS> Request from Nenah - 10 Aug

[Sandee George]

Nenah - have you any idea how EIS would work for Parvo - can the EIS  
get to do it's job with the way this bacterium is created ?It  
appears to be very sneeky 

Regards
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Re: CS> Request from Nenah - 10 Aug

[Alan Jones]

Brooks posted on CS and Parvo many years ago -- here's one copy of his
comments:

http://www.angelfire.com/biz/froghollerfilas/VaccParvoBradley.html


On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Sandee George  wrote:

> Nenah - have you any idea how EIS would work for Parvo - can the EIS get
> to do it's job with the way this bacterium is created ?It appears to be
> very sneeky 
> Regards
> Sandee
>
> --
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prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or
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Re: CS> Request from Nenah - 10 Aug

[Sandee George]

Alan - thanks for this one, I was the one who asked Nenah if she had  
any ideas on how to treat Parvo with EIS - so although we have all the  
names wrong the information has arrived at it's destination - thanks  
for this one which is now in my archives smile

Regards
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Re: CS>request re email formats (to Sasha)

[Langsley]

On Monday October 31 2005 11:51 am, sol wrote:
> Sasha,
> I would like to ask (though I know it is an annoyance) that you turn
> off your HTML formatting when you send mail to the silverlist.
> Whenever I try to reply to a post you have sent, I have a great deal
> of trouble deleting the little animated emoticons ad, and then it
> does something to my computer email program so that I cannot edit or
> trim ANY posts from anyone, unless I close all programs and totally
> re-start my computer.
>
> If anyone knows why this happens, I'd be glad to know if there is
> something I can do on my computer to fix what happens to my inability
> to edit any email text after trying to trim an HTML email. I am
> finding it a great inconvenience to have to keep shutting everything
> down and re-starting.
> thanks,
> sol
Hi sol.
Obviously I'm not Sasha, but you did ask if anybody has any info on what you 
might do. 

First, in order to be able to make any informed suggestions we would have to 
know what email client you are running. 

Just of the top of my head I would say turn off the option to quote the entire 
post to which you are responding. That way you won't have to edit anything and 
you can select what you want to quote and what you do not. If your email client 
doesn't offer this option, I would suggest that you change email clients. 
Actually it sounds like I would suggest that anyway because your email client 
shouldn't be locking up your entire system for any reason.
-- 
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Re: CS>request re email formats (to Sasha)

[Rich Adams]

Also, some clients have the option to "reply" in the format received.  Turn 
that off and you can reply in plain text and may find it easier to edit a 
reply.


Respectfully,
Rich Adams


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Just of the top of my head I would say turn off the option to quote the 
entire post to which you are responding. That way you won't have to edit 
anything and you can select what you want to quote and what you do not. If 
your email client doesn't offer this option, I would suggest that you 
change email clients. Actually it sounds like I would suggest that anyway 
because your email client shouldn't be locking up your entire system for 
any reason.



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Re: CS>request re email formats (to Sasha)

[V]

Hi sol,

If you are using outlook express there is a settnig that says to "read only in 
text format" and it makes all emails be in text format tnhat comeo in even if 
they are html to begin with. There is no way your gonig to get everyone on the 
list to send their emails in text only. there are many email programs that 
default to HTML like AOL and a few others.

Take care,
 V


> Sasha,
> I would like to ask (though I know it is an annoyance) that you turn off 
> your HTML formatting when you send mail to the silverlist.
> Whenever I try to reply to a post you have sent, I have a great deal of 
> trouble deleting the little animated emoticons ad, and then it does 
> something to my computer email program so that I cannot edit or trim ANY 
> posts from anyone, unless I close all programs and totally re-start my 
> computer.

> If anyone knows why this happens, I'd be glad to know if there is 
> something I can do on my computer to fix what happens to my inability to 
> edit any email text after trying to trim an HTML email. I am finding it 
> a great inconvenience to have to keep shutting everything down and 
> re-starting.
> thanks,
> sol



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Re: CS>request re email formats (to Sasha)

[Barbara]

Thank you, you Great Guys :)  I had that same problem too, like sol and I 
learned from your tips you just sent.  A lot better now :) 
Thanks!  

Barbara 




  Also, some clients have the option to "reply" in the format received.  Turn 
  that off and you can reply in plain text and may find it easier to edit a 
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Re: CS>request for cs info from animal shelters or rescuers

[Lin]

The silverpets group is gathering testimonials from animal shelters, rescue 
groups and individual rescuers of their experiences in using cs to help 
animals.
We would appreciate any info this group can supply us or please pass our 
request to anyone you know that can help our cause.  It is our hopes to 
promote the use of cs in animal shelters.  Many shelters are just private 
groups...not city or county.  They will be the ones that most likely can use
the info we gather.  Most all are very limited in funding and won't 
"experiment" on their own.  Many of us have done that on our own and now 
want to take all these positive results to those that really need it.

Thanks,
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CS>Thanks for the help! Re: CS>request re email formats (to Sasha)

[sol]

I use Netscape email.
No way to reply in format received that I can see. I have turned off the 
automatic quotes, that will probably do it. I've tried Eudora but didn't 
like it.

thanks to those who replied, I will see how it goes now.
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Re: CS>Thanks for the help! Re: CS>request re email formats (to Sasha)

[Bruce Anderson]

Hey Sol;
You might give Mozilla Firefox a try.  It's free and easy to install.  I 
use it so it has to be easy.

Bruce Anderson

sol wrote:


I use Netscape email.
No way to reply in format received that I can see. I have turned off 
the automatic quotes, that will probably do it. I've tried Eudora but 
didn't like it.

thanks to those who replied, I will see how it goes now.
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Re: CS>Thanks for the help! Re: CS>request re email formats (to Sasha)

[sol]

I tried it, but it is nearly identical to Netscape (also a Mozilla 
thingee) so it didn't seem worth changing. I still have Firefox 
installed, though.

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Re: CS>Thanks for the help! Re: CS>request re email formats (to Sasha)

[Bruce Anderson]

Sol;
I got my programs crossed  I meant Mozilla Thunderbird.
Bruce A


Hey Sol;
You might give Mozilla Firefox a try.  It's free and easy to install.  I
use it so it has to be easy.
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sol wrote:


I use Netscape email.
No way to reply in format received that I can see. I have turned off 
the automatic quotes, that will probably do it. I've tried Eudora but 
didn't like it.

thanks to those who replied, I will see how it goes now.
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Re: CS>Thanks for the help! Re: CS>request re email formats (to Sasha)

[sol]

Do you use Firefox too?
Just curious. I know one thing I do like about Netscape mail that I like 
is now that I have turned off automatic quoting, I can paste what I copy 
from an email into my reply as a quotation. I can't remember if Eudora 
can do that. Maybe because I only tried the Eudora free version.

sol



I got my programs crossed  I meant Mozilla Thunderbird.
Bruce A


Hey Sol;
You might give Mozilla Firefox a try.  It's free and easy to install.  I
use it so it has to be easy.
Bruce Anderson



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Re: CS>Thanks for the help! Re: CS>request re email formats (to Sasha)

[Bruce Anderson]

Yes I use Firefox, Avant, and IE as browsers of choice, but I only use 
Thunderbird for my ISP mail.


sol wrote:


Do you use Firefox too?
Just curious. I know one thing I do like about Netscape mail that I 
like is now that I have turned off automatic quoting, I can paste what 
I copy from an email into my reply as a quotation. I can't remember if 
Eudora can do that. Maybe because I only tried the Eudora free version.

sol



I got my programs crossed  I meant Mozilla Thunderbird.
Bruce A


Hey Sol;
You might give Mozilla Firefox a try.  It's free and easy to install.  I
use it so it has to be easy.
Bruce Anderson







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