[SLUG] Re: bandwidth co-op (was:web hosting)
understanding of what Transact will offer wrt internet connectivity? If you are looking for bandwidth for web hosting (which is how I think this thread started) then how about five DS-3's and one OC-3c connected to five world-class network service providers for $US5.95 per month? Have a look at http://www.pair.com.au. I've been using them for over a year for multiple sites and the service has been fantastic. Cheers. ~~ Darrell Burkey @ Home Canberra, ACT -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: bandwidth co-op (was:web hosting)
Darrell Burkey wrote:
understanding of what Transact will offer wrt internet connectivity?
If you are looking for bandwidth for web hosting (which is how I think this
thread started) then how about five DS-3's and one OC-3c connected to five
world-class network service providers for $US5.95 per month? Have a look at
http://www.pair.com.au. I've been using them for over a year for multiple
sites and the service has been fantastic.
Seems this site has been redirected and requires you to download plugins
to get anywhere. That is a write off in my books.
If you are going to recommend stuff, please be open and honest about all
the requirements - it helps keep your credibility up. Once a site moves
beyond text and few graphics, it has been my experience that it is very
unreliable. If I'm paying for hosting, I want it to work for everyone,
not just IT PHD's.
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Re: [SLUG] Re: bandwidth co-op (was:web hosting)
unreliable. If I'm paying for hosting, I want it to work for everyone, not just IT PHD's. Or Windows users for that matter. //umar. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Re: bandwidth co-op (was:web hosting)
now now, simple mistake. it's http://www.pair.com not http://www.pair.com.au. They claim to be the largest independent hosting service in the world and I have been most impressed with them. Have a read of their technical setup and tell me what you think. Sorry for the confusion then how about five DS-3's and one OC-3c connected to five world-class network service providers for $US5.95 per month? Yeah, I was going to say, we hardly have that sort of bandwidth in Australia :-( dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: bandwidth co-op (was:web hosting)
On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 08:47:07PM +1100, Dave Kempe wrote: now now, simple mistake. it's http://www.pair.com not http://www.pair.com.au. They claim to be the largest independent hosting service in the world and I have been most impressed with them. Have a read of their technical setup and tell me what you think. Sorry for the confusion then how about five DS-3's and one OC-3c connected to five world-class network service providers for $US5.95 per month? Yeah, I was going to say, we hardly have that sort of bandwidth in Australia :-( Unless you count the 120G terrestrial to the states that just got turned on today from SouthernCross. I can't wait till people start deploying that bandwidth :) -- John The difference between a good man and a bad one is the choice of cause - William James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian + alsa + reiserfs + make-kpkg
Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Someone explain the benefits of The Debian Way in this instance, please!
So that you don't have to participate in those .config file flamewars on
lkml?
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Re: [SLUG] Debian + alsa + reiserfs + make-kpkg
Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course, this will only work with properly packaged kernel sources, right?
No kernel-package (written and maintained by Manoj Srivastava) will work
with any reasonable kernel source.
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Re: [SLUG] Re: Re: Debian + alsa + reiserfs + make-kpkg
Angus Lees [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
apparently herbert screwed up somewhere ;)
roach:~ apt-cache show kernel-image-2.2.17 | grep Version:
Version: 1:2.2.17-1
Well those who've been following the wrong advice certainly got bitten :)
The correct way to make sure your local packages don't get upgraded is to
put them on hold.
Another way is to use --flavour local.
It will be irrelevant soon when the default kernel images come with a
flavour.
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RE: [SLUG] Re: bandwidth co-op (was:web hosting)
Unless you count the 120G terrestrial to the states that just got turned on today from SouthernCross. I can't wait till people start deploying that bandwidth :) Yeah I've just been reading about it... I'm sure it must pass close by our office... now how to just tap into it :) dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Debian GNU/Hurd .iso?
Hey All, Please excuse the quasi-OT post, but does any one know the status of a possible Debian GNU/Hurd .iso? I've looked through the KC and a comment that there is no .iso available was made back in June. Anything happened since then? Is there a GNU/Hurd .iso lurkin on a GNU/Linux server? :-) Thanks, Rod |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ Rodney Gedda BEng(Hons) Ph +612 9902 2728 Technical Journalist 88 Christie st LinuxWorld.com.auSt Leonards NSW 2065 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxworld.com.au |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] What I hate about 'puters...
...is that you can never find one of those damned 5 1/4" face plates that fits the hole in the 'puter that is due out on site tomorrow morning. -- Howard. __ LANNet Computing Associates http://www.lannet.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian + alsa + reiserfs + make-kpkg
quote who="Herbert Xu" No kernel-package (written and maintained by Manoj Srivastava) will work with any reasonable kernel source. I'm assuming there's a comma after the "No", correct? :) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- "Life is short. Forgive quickly. Kiss slowly." - Robert Doisneau -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian GNU/Hurd .iso?
On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 10:20:35 +1100, Rodney Gedda said: Hey All, Please excuse the quasi-OT post, but does any one know the status of a possible Debian GNU/Hurd .iso? I've looked through the KC and a comment that there is no .iso available was made back in June. Anything happened since then? I feel the two words 'no' and 'chance' adequately describe this one. AFAIK, you have to have a linux install already, and then bootstrap the HURD install from that (unless radical progress has been made very recently) There are scripts and stuff available. Have a look at http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ for more info. Cheers -thom Is there a GNU/Hurd .iso lurkin on a GNU/Linux server? :-) Thanks, Rod |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ Rodney Gedda BEng(Hons) Ph +612 9902 2728 Technical Journalist 88 Christie st LinuxWorld.com.auSt Leonards NSW 2065 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxworld.com.au |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian GNU/Hurd .iso?
Hey All, Please excuse the quasi-OT post, but does any one know the status of a possible Debian GNU/Hurd .iso? I've looked through the KC and a comment that there is no .iso available was made back in June. Anything happened since then? checkout ftp://ftp.kando.hu/.7/debian-unofficial-cd/ amu -- -- Public-gpg-Key: http://tr.debian.net/amu/amu.key -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] What I hate about 'puters...
...is that you can never find one of those damned 5 1/4" face plates that fits the hole in the 'puter that is due out on site tomorrow morning. -- Howard. Now you know why I kept all those 360K 5.25" Floppy drives!!! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Re: Debian + alsa + reiserfs + make-kpkg
This one time, at band camp, Herbert Xu said: Well those who've been following the wrong advice certainly got bitten :) The correct way to make sure your local packages don't get upgraded is to put them on hold. Hold didn't work. I tried that from dselect and dselect decided to override my decisions... Obviously it knew better. As gusl suggested, seeting the epoch to 2: made it good. -- Sure, I subscribe to USENET, but I only get it for the articles. (o_ ' //\ v_/_ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Dual Boards
I have a whole bunch of Gigabyte dual CPU machines at work. They function, but that's abou it. I cannot get USB to work on any of them and I would most definately *not* recommend them. ---Gareth - Original Message - From: "Richard Blackburn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Sydney Linux Users Group" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 7:10 PM Subject: [SLUG] Dual Boards I tried the Gigabyte Dual Board which was a disaster that I haven't fully recovered from - probably that individual board was toast. Now I use an EPOX Dual board - works very well. Forte computers has or had them. Richard -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: What would a geek want?
Gus writes (concerning gpg fingerprints on business cards): visually comparing 10 groups of 4 digits is quite easy. No Gus. There's another world out there. Part of what drives wide-spread use is ease of acceptance. An overwhelming desire or need may overcome an initial (entry) difficulty - e.g. learning to drive or phone numbers, but these initial difficulties represent barriers. The easier to use, the more familiar, or compatible with current practice, the quicker it is to adopt. Amongst competing systems, often the merits of the different systems are lost to this fact. Hence PHP becomes popular because people find the Perl based systems hard to get started with. Keys have to be easy to use. Even those that only offer a modest amount of protection will be preferred over more difficult ones. Jamie -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Re: Debian + alsa + reiserfs + make-kpkg
James Wilkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This one time, at band camp, Herbert Xu said:
Well those who've been following the wrong advice certainly got bitten :)
The correct way to make sure your local packages don't get upgraded is to
put them on hold.
Hold didn't work. I tried that from dselect and dselect decided to
override my decisions... Obviously it knew better. As gusl suggested,
I've never seen that before. Another way of doing is
echo "kernel-image-2.2.17 hold" | dpkg --set-selections
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Re: [SLUG] Re: Netscrape 6 is here
I've yet to install it. I'll let the list know if it trashes my machine ;^) I wouldn't bother.. not unless you like having hundreds of "Shop at Netscape.com" buttons and other cruft all over the place... They've even included a horrible "addition" to the "Print" button.. it pops up two options: "Print" or... (wait for it...) "Print Plus" (takes your browser to netscape printing merchants and printing supplies etc).. It's sad really. Go for a Mozilla nightly build... be happy. :) www.mozilla.org //umar. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Serial Name Server Resolve on Linux
Sluggers, Does anyone have any insight into the serial nature of the DNS resolve on Linux and when this problem might be addressed. It's my current understanding that name to IP resolution is a single serial queue for all processes on the box. Thanks Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Netscrape 6 is here
Perhaps with a bit of fiddling, the cruft can be opted "off". I'd be interested to find out too.. but I tried and failed.. Would anyone know if it is easy to backoff the Netscape 6 release? Yep. :) rm -rf /usr/local/netscape //umar. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] re-partitioning HD and re-arranging mount points...
Hi, I'm going to be changing Linux distros and thus, obviously, reinstalling most software. Fortunately, I had placed my /home directory on its own partition, so I don't have to worry about my personal files being touched. Unfortunately, I wasn't so smart as to put /usr/local on its own partition and now I want to save the stuff I have there before reinstalling. I'm fairly sure I understand the process, but I'm just wondering if there's an easier way. I was planning to: 1. Make a new partition on the HD using previously un-partitioned sectors. 2. Build a filesystem on the new partition 3. Mount the new partition (maybe /mnt/temp) 4. Copy the data from /usr/local to /mnt/temp 5. Run md5sum on original data in /usr/local; compare with 'md5sum -c file' to new data on /mnt/temp *** 6. Unmount the old partition from /usr/local 7. Unmount the new partition from /mnt/temp 8. Update /etc/fstab to tell it about new partition for /usr/local 9. Re-mount the new partition over the old mount point 10.Ready to do re-installation This seems pretty straightforward, but I'm wondering if there's any way to accomplish this without explicitly copying the files (though I can't see how). Thanks so much for any advice and responses. I'd appreciate getting cc'd on them. Take care, Daniel *** Side question on md5sum: my understanding of ext2fs is that when copying or moving files within a partition, the files are not actually moved or copied, only the inode table is updated (and thus no md5sum is necessary as there is no risk of incorrect I/O related to move); however, when moving between partitions, the files actually have to be copied or moved, and thus an md5sum check would be prudent. Is this correct thinking, please? Thanks so much. --- Daniel A. Freedman Department of Physics Cornell University -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Netscrape 6 is here
It's sad really. have to agree I'm afraid. Very disappointed with the Netscape browser and all the cruft. Also it still fails to do Java scripting on Linux. Mozilla (M18) on Windozes is very nice. The Linuz version however is not so good. Performance is slow and Java scripting doesn't work. Installing the plugin for Java applets also causes the browser to go AWOL all the time. The Doze version on the other hand only DR Watson'd once in a whole week of use :-( rgds Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Progeny
On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 02:33:18PM +, Thom May wrote: For those of you running Debian Stable(potato, not slink) systems, can I recommend having a look at Progeny Linux' upgrade? It's aimed at office use, from what I can tell, is very easy to use, and is heading towards gnome based configuration very swiftly. I just installed it on one of our director's machines this morning, and he loves it. what's the line for apt/sources.list ? K. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Netscrape 6 is here
On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Umar Goldeli wrote: Perhaps with a bit of fiddling, the [Netscape 6] cruft can be opted "off". I'd be interested to find out too.. but I tried and failed.. If anyone still wonders whether to install Netscape 6.0, I was scared off by the release notes at: http://home.netscape.com/eng/mozilla/ns6/relnotes/6.0.html An astonishing read, for a supposedly mature product. Some highlights from the 1500+ line v.dense document: (*) You cannot download multiple files simultaneously using FTP. (*) The original extension of a file that you download may be changed. To work around this, make a note of the original extension, and then rename it to change it back. (*) Netscape 6 does not support Dynamic Fonts. (Note: It was supported in Communicator 4.x.) (*) Keyboard shortcuts are not fully implemented. (*) Keyboard shortcuts on Linux now use Control instead of Alt (*) If you use True Type fonts with Netscape 6, some characters are displayed as squares. (*) (Linux)You can't view hidden files or directories (such as .netscape) using Netscape 6. (*) (Mail) Undo/Redo and Stop may not always work as expected. (*) (Mail) Many commands don't work in the stand-alone message window. (*) Netscape 6 does not warn the user of a low disk space condition. (*) Don't try to download multiple attachments simultaneously. Download them one at a time. The list really does go on and on. Note to LINKERS: The above is a horrendous example of bloatware that also brings with numerous lost features and introduced bugs. If Netscape really wants to still compete in the browser wars, they are going about it completely in the wrong manner. Netscape 4.x is light-years ahead of this crap. And apparently, Netscape 6 also grabs a lot of screen real estate with portal and partner buttons. Un-be-li-ev-able! Rgds Rick W -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services "Tired of being a crash test dummy for Microsoft? Try Linux" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] c++... a bit OT
void swap (int x, int y) { int tmp; tmp=x; x=y; y=tmp }
This isn't even correct. C passes arguments by value.
#define swap(a,b) { a^=b;b^=a;a^=b }
The second is from the book 'Applied Cryptography', which has some very
tight code in it. It avoids the funtion call altogether, it doesn't
create any tempory variables, and should become 3 XOR commands in total
once compiled.
Except that a good compiler can probably beat the hell out of XOR
futzing if you define swap as an inline function.
Get it right, then make it fast.
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Re: [SLUG] Re: Netscrape 6 is here
Why all the whinging about a company who has for a long time supported linux/open source. What efforts have you made to remedy any of the faults? Have you submitted a bug report? have you contacted developers? Are you on a mailing list for netscape? If you answer yes to more than one of the above and still have a legitimate complaint for a product that has been made freely available, then use MS, they also have a free browser. Kevin Waterson -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Netscrape 6 is here
On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Kevin Waterson wrote: Why all the whinging about a company who has for a long time supported linux/open source. Agreed 110%. They've been behind open source and alternative platforms for along time. What efforts have you made to remedy any of the faults? Have you submitted a bug report? Yes I have. With no reply :-( have you contacted developers? Are you on a mailing list for netscape? Umm .. that's a bit onerous. I do not have the time or inclination to join a mailing list for each product I use. I'd never get anything done and my mailbox would overflow. If you answer yes to more than one of the above and still have a legitimate complaint for a product that has been made freely available, then use MS, they also have a free browser. Fortunately IE does not run on Linux. My own whinges about Netscape 6.0 is that by their own admission they've introduced heaps of bugs, and removed features we've become accustomed to using. Sounds like a re-write from the ground up. It really saddens me, since I'll be sticking with a dead-end version (4.7). And yup, I know of poeple sticking with Netscopae 3.1, since that was a good, usable, unbloated stable version. -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services "Tired of being a crash test dummy for Microsoft? Try Linux" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] CPIO
Hi all, If my backups ran on a file system level (eg. below), is there a way to tell the `mt` command to forward to xxx possition which is the beginning of a certain backup.?? cd / find ./ -mount -depth -print | cpio -ocvB -O /dev/nst0 cd /usr/local find ./ -mount -depth -print | cpio -ocvB -O /dev/nst0 cd /home find ./ -mount -depth -print | cpio -ocvB -O /dev/nst0 How do I got about rewinding and telling `mt` to go to say /home backup? Is it possible? thanks, George Vieira Network Administrator http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au PGP Fingerprint : 43DC 92AC 1A82 27B2 E97B 52F1 B60F 301A 38A9 A10C PGP KeyID: 0x38A9A10C -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Netscrape 6 is here
My own whinges about Netscape 6.0 is that by their own admission they've introduced heaps of bugs, and removed features we've become accustomed to using. Sounds like a re-write from the ground up. ...because it is! netscape/aol branched from moz and haven't included all the fixes that have come thru since then... if you want the browser without *those* bugs use a moz build... later marty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[LINK] Re: [SLUG] Re: Netscrape 6 is here
At 12:06 PM +1100 16/11/2000, Rick Welykochy wrote: Note to LINKERS: The above is a horrendous example of bloatware that also brings with numerous lost features and introduced bugs. If Netscape really wants to still compete in the browser wars, they are going about it completely in the wrong manner. Netscape 4.x is light-years ahead of this crap. And apparently, Netscape 6 also grabs a lot of screen real estate with portal and partner buttons. There is a current discussion on web4lib about this. There are mixed comments. It seems some PC users think 6 is better than 4.x, some don't and most feel that there are problems with the release. Wait for a later build from Mozilla. Tony -- phone +61 2 6241 7659 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://purl.oclc.org/NET/Tony.Barry On Aboriginal Policy "And if governments will not act, then this is a matter on which people must act to secure a government that will.The dignity and self esteem of Australia at some point will demand it." Malcolm Fraser 24 Aug 2000 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Netscrape 6 is here
On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Terry Collins wrote:
Rick Welykochy wrote:
Umm .. that's a bit onerous. I do not have the time or
inclination to join a mailing list for each product
I use. I'd never get anything done and my
mailbox would overflow.
Thank you Dorothy {:-)}}}
My mailbox at my ISP would overflow. I do not run my own mail server.
I do use filtering in netscape to sort mail - no info overload there.
I would like to take this opportunity to point one and all to
http://www.woa.com.au/linux/how-tos/sortingmail.html which tells you how
to presort your mail into separate mailboxes, thus allowing you to have
control of your inbox and never being able to use this excuse again
{:-)}}}.
Thanks to all who have contributed from time to time in keeping this up
to date.
Dorothy says: let's turn this into a learning experience.
If you are using a mail client (POP-3/IMAP access) like Netscape,
procmail is not an option, is it? I haven't tried, but it seems
that procmail requires your machine to be an MX host ... or can procmail
simply function as an email client, filter the email, and then you
use your email reader to access the folders thus created in Mail/*??
Observation on the above document:
No filtering: elm
Use procmail: mutt, pine, [sic] procmail
Can filter: exmh, netscape, xfmail
Thus if procmail is not an option, 3/7 can filter.
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Re: [SLUG] Re: Netscrape 6 is here
On Thu, Nov 16, 2000 at 01:26:43PM +1100, Rick Welykochy wrote:
On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Terry Collins wrote:
Rick Welykochy wrote:
Umm .. that's a bit onerous. I do not have the time or
inclination to join a mailing list for each product
I use. I'd never get anything done and my
mailbox would overflow.
Thank you Dorothy {:-)}}}
My mailbox at my ISP would overflow. I do not run my own mail server.
I do use filtering in netscape to sort mail - no info overload there.
I would like to take this opportunity to point one and all to
http://www.woa.com.au/linux/how-tos/sortingmail.html which tells you how
to presort your mail into separate mailboxes, thus allowing you to have
control of your inbox and never being able to use this excuse again
{:-)}}}.
Thanks to all who have contributed from time to time in keeping this up
to date.
Dorothy says: let's turn this into a learning experience.
If you are using a mail client (POP-3/IMAP access) like Netscape,
procmail is not an option, is it? I haven't tried, but it seems
that procmail requires your machine to be an MX host ... or can procmail
simply function as an email client, filter the email, and then you
use your email reader to access the folders thus created in Mail/*??
It still is. I think I can safely assume you're using linux.
Threfore you setup fetchmail to grap the mail via pop and feed it
through procmail via your local mta. Then you just read you're maiol
locally.
The only disadvantage here is that your email is now on your
home machine. So unless you're connected 24x7 then you can't access your
email from anywhere else anymore. Unless you keep a copy on the server
or something.
Observation on the above document:
No filtering: elm
Use procmail: mutt, pine, [sic] procmail
Can filter: exmh, netscape, xfmail
Thus if procmail is not an option, 3/7 can filter.
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Re: [SLUG] Re: Netscrape 6 is here
On Thu, Nov 16, 2000 at 01:26:21PM +1100, Rick Welykochy wrote: If you are using a mail client (POP-3/IMAP access) like Netscape, procmail is not an option, is it? I haven't tried, but it seems Yes it is. Use fetchmail to grab mail from the pop3/imap sever, then you can use procmail to filter. Set your mail client to read from the local mail spool rather than via the pop3/imap server. Observation on the above document: No filtering: elm Use procmail: mutt, pine, [sic] procmail Can filter: exmh, netscape, xfmail Thus if procmail is not an option, 3/7 can filter. No, procmail can be used with *all* mail clients. The trick is to separate mail delivery from mail reading. If you're not running your own MX host, use fetchmail to grab mail off the remote server. Cheers, John -- whois [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Netscrape 6 is here
Rick Welykochy wrote: My apoligies to Rick, this post was not directed to you personally, it was yours I lazily hit the reply to. My point, that I so well failed to make is that whilst linux is coming into the mainstream there is a growing perception, or expectation that all applications are simply going to work " out of the box". This is not the case with many products and the same can be said of the windows world, as many bug fixes for products eg MYOB are not discovered till they are put into release. I recently trialed opera web browser and was impressed with its speed and functionality, however it is a beta and buggy, yet shows much promise. netscape on the other hand has a name for software in the windows world and has performed admirably in the face of competition from MS. However, netscape lacks the resources of MS and when it opened its source to the linux/open source community it was a big step forward and other major developers took notice. I use Netscape as an example here (as per topic) but I feel this is endemic now within the linux community. I would implore all who read this to get behind open source companies and to join a list or two, whether netscape, kernel or xmms or whatever and give bug reports or submit patches. Not everyone can do this but any constructive feed back is appreciated from developers -- Kind regards Kevin Waterson -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Netscrape 6 is here
On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, John Ferlito wrote: It still is. I think I can safely assume you're using linux. Threfore you setup fetchmail to grap the mail via pop and feed it through procmail via your local mta. Then you just read you're maiol locally. Ah, fetchmail is the key. Thanks - will investigate it ... but as you point out: The only disadvantage here is that your email is now on your home machine. So unless you're connected 24x7 then you can't access your email from anywhere else anymore. Unless you keep a copy on the server or something. Leaving my email on the server (like I am reading it now, via ssh) has great advantages. I only download it my home PC when I feel like it. Which brings to mind the .NET idea (eeek) ... I use my ISP's server as a central point for data exchange. Since I run and control the server this is fine. I trust it. But I cannot envision entrusting a third party to hold my own goodies ... perhaps unless there is strong encryption involved and I can be guaranteed that 'they' do not have access to my private keys. -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services "Tired of being a crash test dummy for Microsoft? Try Linux" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: bandwidth co-op (was:web hosting)
For web hosting, Interland (another US company) is pretty responsive. If you're writing your own CGI, they work out US$10/month cheaper than pair.com. Also, after your first deployment, subsequent websites go down to $13/month thanks to their developer program. Comparison: (Pair 'Webmaster' v/s Interland 'Feature Plan') http://www.pair.com/pair/services.html http://www.interland.net/hosting/virtual/shared.asp Regards, Sonam now now, simple mistake. it's http://www.pair.com not http://www.pair.com.au. They claim to be the largest independent hosting service in the world and I have been most impressed with them. Have a read -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Netscrape 6 is here
On Thu, Nov 16, 2000 at 02:33:55PM +1100, Rick Welykochy wrote: On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, John Ferlito wrote: The only disadvantage here is that your email is now on your home machine. So unless you're connected 24x7 then you can't access your email from anywhere else anymore. Unless you keep a copy on the server or something. Leaving my email on the server (like I am reading it now, via ssh) has great advantages. I only download it my home PC when I feel like it. Seems like you have a shell account on your server. In that case, you can set up a .forward file in your home directory to pipe the mail through procmail. The mail then ends up in a bunch of directories in your home directory, rather than in /var/spool/mail or whatever, but most mailers will still be able to read it. Look at the procmail manpage for how to do this. This is the method I use to sort mail on a central machine that I later read using IMAP/SSL. Cheers, Malcolm -- Malcolm Tredinnickemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CommSecure Pty Ltd PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Re: Netscrape 6 is here
On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Malcolm Tredinnick wrote: Seems like you have a shell account on your server. In that case, you can set up a .forward file in your home directory to pipe the mail through procmail. The mail then ends up in a bunch of directories in your home directory, rather than in /var/spool/mail or whatever, but most mailers will still be able to read it. Look at the procmail manpage for how to do this. This is the method I use to sort mail on a central machine that I later read using IMAP/SSL. Once the mail is in folders in my home directory, how do I then download it to my home machine (pref. using Netscrape!?) Sounds easier to leave it in the spool on the ISP box and download and sort the lot when it (finally) gets home ... where it is sorted and archived for permanent sotrage as required. -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services "Tired of being a crash test dummy for Microsoft? Try Linux" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] On Functional Languages
If you are also a bit of a language nut, I have written a small screed roaming over Functional Languages, speed and Microsoft .NET. Superficial, but hopefully plausable. Interested in comments. http://www.progsoc.uts.edu.au/~jhonan/func.html Jamie -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Removing/reinstalling personal X files
Hello I have got the following problem I tried out the KDE international keyboard and ever since the if I type the number "5" it generates a backspace. This happens while I'm running it or not. it's frustrating the @#$%@# out of me and I have tried copying another users' kikbdrc file over mine and it didn't work I use VNC to access my X desktop and another colleague uses the graphical Console. I was wondering if there is a "nice" way to remove all my .gnome* .kde* etc and reinstalling them to see it solves the problem. I have tried switching between KDE and gnome with no effect. Any other thoughts? Any help would be appreciated Grant Street -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] NFS LOCKD
hi anyone know of any solutions (or can point me at any resources) about NFS locking errors like: LOCKD: can not monitor IP on the server, and: LOCKD: failed to monitor IP on the client. Both systems are RH 6.1 Both have portmapper and statd running (the suggestions found using google). ?!? later marty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Netscrape 6 is here
I've read this netscape thread long enough, now I have to comment. From personal experience using netscape on Linux for web browsing and as my email client I can say that it is a pile of crap and it stinketh greatly. I tried a number of alternatives including mozilla but wasn't 100% satisfied. Tried various GTK ones like galeon and a couple of others. Then when KDE2 came out I tried konqueror and kmail and I couldn't be more happy. Never crashes, has all the features I want, 99.9% of pages display correctly. kmail also work beautifully. You should all try konqueror. You might want to recompile your qt library with -fno-exceptions to save memory on machines with low memory. Now would you all stop you belly aching about netscape. It's not as free as konqueror and not even in the same league. Netscape wasn't created open source and it shows. I've heard the code is quite unmaintainable. --- John On Thursday 16 November 2000 11:32, Rick Welykochy wrote: On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Kevin Waterson wrote: Why all the whinging about a company who has for a long time supported linux/open source. Agreed 110%. They've been behind open source and alternative platforms for along time. What efforts have you made to remedy any of the faults? Have you submitted a bug report? Yes I have. With no reply :-( have you contacted developers? Are you on a mailing list for netscape? Umm .. that's a bit onerous. I do not have the time or inclination to join a mailing list for each product I use. I'd never get anything done and my mailbox would overflow. If you answer yes to more than one of the above and still have a legitimate complaint for a product that has been made freely available, then use MS, they also have a free browser. Fortunately IE does not run on Linux. My own whinges about Netscape 6.0 is that by their own admission they've introduced heaps of bugs, and removed features we've become accustomed to using. Sounds like a re-write from the ground up. It really saddens me, since I'll be sticking with a dead-end version (4.7). And yup, I know of poeple sticking with Netscopae 3.1, since that was a good, usable, unbloated stable version. -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services "Tired of being a crash test dummy for Microsoft? Try Linux" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] NFS LOCKD
I had a similar problem on another Unix, where machine A was complaining about machine B. The problems were NOT resolved by rebooting machine B, but they all fixed themselves when I rebooted machine A. A case for shooting the messenger? ;) Cheers, Jill. -- Jill Rowling, Snr Des. Eng. Unix System Administrator Elec. Eng. Dept, Aristocrat Technologies Australia 3rd Floor, 77 Dunning Ave Rosebery NSW 2018 Phone: (02) 9697-4484 Fax: (02) 9663-1412 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Marty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] anyone know of any solutions (or can point me at any resources) about NFS locking errors like: LOCKD: can not monitor IP Rubbish may follow: -- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE -- This email is intended only to be read or used by the addressee. The information contained in this e-mail message may be confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, interference with, distribution, disclosure or copying of this material is unauthorised and prohibited. Confidentiality attached to this communication is not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken delivery to you. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify us by return e-mail or telephone Aristocrat Technologies Australia Pty Limited on +61 2 9413 6300. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Netscrape 6 is here
quote who="John Ryland" Now would you all stop you belly aching about netscape. It's not as free as konqueror and not even in the same league. Netscape 6.0 is proprietary software based on a Free Software project - Mozilla. Netscape wasn't created open source and it shows. Netscape 6.0 is a complete rewrite. It was created from the sources of the browser released by mozilla.org. I'd call that "created open source". Why does it show? The technologies created or developed for this release are quite astounding. We have: * a Free world-class bug tracking system (Bugzilla, needs some work, Free so we can!) * a Free world-class web-based code browser (Bonsai) * a Free highly-compliant (the MOST compliant) web-standards (HTML, CSS, etc) renderer and embeddable widget (Gecko) * a Free cross-platform application development system (XPCOM, XUL, NSPR) * soon to be Free application and server level PKI libraries (PSM and NSS) Mozilla.org has not "just made a browser" in all this time! My rant is similar in nature to Jamie's disappointment in people dissing Red Hat. Look around... You may not use it, but they're making some damn fine software that will be in use wider and longer than a browser release. Add to that the goal of MPL/GPLing all the code, and you have a very forceful argument for the support of Mozilla.org. I've heard the code is quite unmaintainable. Of 4.x or the complete rewrite that is Mozilla? - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- We're kind of like Canada, only we hate ourselves more, and it's wetter around the edges. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Netscrape 6 is here
On Thursday 16 November 2000 15:46, Jeff Waugh wrote: Netscape 6.0 is a complete rewrite. It was created from the sources of the browser released by mozilla.org. I'd call that "created open source". That's just semantics. I hope you don't believe your own lies :) The technologies created or developed for this release are quite astounding. Yep.. please go on. Astounding are they. And what exactly do these technologies have to do with creating a reliable, usable web browser? Mozilla.org has not "just made a browser" in all this time! But that's what I want, a reliable, usable browser. Today, not in 5 years time. Konqueror delivers the goods. Add to that the goal of MPL/GPLing all the code, and you have a very forceful argument for the support of Mozilla.org. Konqueror is GPL. What's your point. John -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] bandwidth co-op... really!
Hi all, I know this is off topic but it comes up now and then... and yet I can't find an email on it in the archive :-( Is anyone familiar with the legal issues with sharing a regular (not cable where special conditions are written in) internet connection over say a wireless link? Is there a resource on the web? -- Andrew Dorrell -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Netscrape 6 is here
quote who="John Ryland" Netscape 6.0 is a complete rewrite. It was created from the sources of the browser released by mozilla.org. I'd call that "created open source". That's just semantics. I hope you don't believe your own lies :) Lies? I don't use Netscape 6.0, I use Mozilla. It's Free Software, and a completely new browser. There are no lies here... Yep.. please go on. Astounding are they. And what exactly do these technologies have to do with creating a reliable, usable web browser? This may sound a bit like Princess Leia, but, if a web browser is all that you want, then a web browser is all that you'll receive. Instead of just building a web browser, Mozilla.org have furnished us with plenty of Free, well-built, very usable pieces of software. This benefits projects far and wide... The Gnome project uses Bonsai and Bugzilla (now, they used to use the Debian one just as KDE does), the Gecko renderer has been used in many projects already, and seems to be a good choice for some embedded applications, and it's only now that people are waking up to how cool (even if somewhat bulky at the moment) XUL and the XP stuff is. But that's what I want, a reliable, usable browser. Today, not in 5 years time. Konqueror delivers the goods. Mozilla is also good. So is Galeon, based on the Gecko widget. Encompass is based on the gtkhtml widget, and is okay, but gtkhtml was never really designed to be a full-featured browser widget (just a basic HTML renderer really). There are quite a few out there, and a lot of them are good. What disappoints me is the trashing of a very fine group of people, and the great Free Software that they've contributed. Add to that the goal of MPL/GPLing all the code, and you have a very forceful argument for the support of Mozilla.org. Konqueror is GPL. What's your point. Mozilla.org are attempting to change the license of the software they've developed to be more compatible, and allow for more use than the one they had previously distributed it under. My comment was less to do with the license itself (we all know it's Free Software), more to do with the substance. Mozilla.org are the caretakers of a *lot* of great stuff - we ought to support their efforts. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- - What inspired you to become a bus driver? - Linus Torvalds. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
