[SLUG] Newbie Question: SysLinux, boot failed message

2001-11-03 Thread Ciaran Finnegan

Hi,

Forgive my ignorance, I'm sure I'm doing something monumentally stupid,
but here's my little tale of woe

Put 500Mb IDE Drive in a Win98 Machine as a Slave on second IDE
Controller
Installed RH 7.1 to this Drive, installation went smoothly
Chose to install LILO to First Sector of 500Mb Drive
Got LILO Installation Error saying '/dev/hdc1 is not the first drive'
(or something to that effect)
Machine booted straight into Win98 on reboot, fair enough
Tested Booting to Linux from Boot Diskette, no problems

Put 500Mb Drive back into trusty 486
Modified 'syslinux.cfg' to boot from /dev/hda1
Reboot

SysLinux 1.52
Loading initrd.img ...
Boot Failed, please change disk an press any key

I've tried creating other boot diskettes using boot.img and bootnet.img
but I get the same error on either machine.

It's been a long day, and this is my first experience with Linux

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

Ciaran.


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[SLUG] via82cxxx_audio driver problem in 2.4.x

2001-11-03 Thread Pete de Zwart

Hi All,

Has anyone come across the problem with the via82cxxx_audio driver
in the 2.4 series of the Linux kernels, where the sample rate is fixed to
48KHz?

This problem was not apparent in the 2.2 series.

Also, is there an IRC channel for Slug?

Regards,

Pete de Zwart.

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Re: [SLUG] via82cxxx_audio driver problem in 2.4.x

2001-11-03 Thread Jeff Waugh

quote who=Pete de Zwart

 Has anyone come across the problem with the via82cxxx_audio driver in the
 2.4 series of the Linux kernels, where the sample rate is fixed to 48KHz?

No idea, sorry. ;)

   Also, is there an IRC channel for Slug?

#slug on irc.slug.org.au (a Sydney node of the Open Projects Network)

- Jeff

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Re: [SLUG] via82cxxx_audio driver problem in 2.4.x

2001-11-03 Thread Tony Green

* This one time, at band camp, Pete de Zwart said:
 
   Also, is there an IRC channel for Slug?

Yep - #slug on irc.slug.org.au (cryptic eh?)

Greeno
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Re: [SLUG] Mysterious busy-ness with Windows Internet + Evolution/Mozilla/Ximian woes

2001-11-03 Thread Michael Lake

Rick Welykochy wrote:
 Beware all Flash Lusers!
 It has been revealed that ecah time you load a page with Macromedia Flash
 embedded within, that product transmits in an information packet to Macromedia,

I have done some searching on google using macromedia flash and combinations
of sends information, transmits, secret, privacy, modem and a few other terms
and have not found any reference to flash doing this. Geez I can find actual code
of virus exploits within a few minutes. Does anyone really know a ref to this 
claim?

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Flash and your privacy is Gone! was Re: [SLUG] Mysterious busy-ness with Windows Internet + Evolution/Mozilla/Ximian woes

2001-11-03 Thread Michael Lake

Rick Welykochy wrote:
 Beware all Flash Lusers!
 It has been revealed that ecah time you load a page with Macromedia Flash
 embedded within, that product transmits in an information packet to Macromedia,

I have done some searching on google using macromedia flash and combinations
of sends information, transmits, secret, privacy, modem and a few other terms
and have not found any reference to flash doing this. Geez I can find actual code
of virus exploits within a few minutes. Does anyone really know a ref to this 
claim?

Mike
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RE: [SLUG] via82cxxx_audio driver problem in 2.4.x

2001-11-03 Thread Greg Hosler


On 03-Nov-2001 Pete de Zwart wrote:
 Hi All,
 
   Has anyone come across the problem with the via82cxxx_audio driver
 in the 2.4 series of the Linux kernels, where the sample rate is fixed to
 48KHz?

yes.

   This problem was not apparent in the 2.2 series.

yes.
 
   Also, is there an IRC channel for Slug?

dunno.


The via82cxxx_audio driver in the Kernel 2.2 series used soundblaster legacy
support to implement itself. The maintainer decided it was better to go with
native audio support in the Kernel 2.4 series, and a side effect of that is
that the sample rate ends up getting locked at 48khz. Not sure if this is a
limitation of the harware, or just the driver (though I suspect the latter).

I believe that the ALSA support still uses legacy support.

HTH

-Greg

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Re: [SLUG] I have a strange idea for a SLUG meeting

2001-11-03 Thread Jeff Waugh

quote who=Jeff Waugh

 I pondered the concept of a 'Take Your Boss' meeting.

So, usually I at least get some private mail in response to my cracky ideas.
Is this one *that* terrible?

  Who has an unenlightened boss?

  Who can't implement a Linux fileserver / webserver / firewall at work
  because their boss cites 'support' or 'someone to blame'?

  Who regards their wife as their boss and can't get them to try Open
  Office?

  Who wants their company to move to Linux-oriented hosting because Nimda
  kicked their server's ass?

  Who has to keep using ASP or Cold Fusion when there are better, faster,
  more secure, and more scalable alternatives?

  Who isn't allowed to use a Linux workstation at work?

I know this is one of those Linux in Business yickies, but if it's *your*
boss, and not some random suit off the street, it can improve *your* work
environment.

Think global, act local, etc.

IT'S ADVOCACY TIME AND YOU ARE INVITED!

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Re: [SLUG] via82cxxx_audio driver problem in 2.4.x

2001-11-03 Thread Pete de Zwart

Thanx for the info Greg.

AFAIK, the 48KHz is a hardware limitation and the rest was done in software.
The sad thing is that there is very little about it on Google and I think the
issue has been resolved as far as the kernel goes.

Hmmm. Ponders the thought of going to alsa...

I think this will be one of the things to fix with Linux that I will get
around to doing when I have the time and experience, like getting the Kodak
EZ200 to work with USB.

Regards,

de Zwart.

Around about 2107h 03/11/2001, Greg Hosler emitted the following wisdom:
 The via82cxxx_audio driver in the Kernel 2.2 series used soundblaster legacy
 support to implement itself. The maintainer decided it was better to go with
 native audio support in the Kernel 2.4 series, and a side effect of that is
 that the sample rate ends up getting locked at 48khz. Not sure if this is a
 limitation of the harware, or just the driver (though I suspect the latter).
 
 I believe that the ALSA support still uses legacy support.

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[SLUG] Hardware - Recommendations

2001-11-03 Thread Jon Biddell

Greetings all,

Anter much persuasion, and agreeing to put...ughhh... EvilWare back on her notebook 
(swapped drives !!), SWMBO has agreed that Xena, the P233 workstation, needs to be 
retired.

Therefore, I'm looking for a new system. It will probably be a ready-built, but not 
necessarily name-brand one, as I can't seem to buy the parts for much less than the 
whole system, and at least I get warranty !

At the moment, I'm probably leaning towards a P4 1.8GHz, but would welcome thoughts on 
what might be better (for instance, I hear that a 1.4GHz Athlon will outperform a 
1.8GHz P4 in most instances, given that most applications are not P4 optimised yet).  
Other options, price related, are a PIII/1GHz, or even a DUAL PIII/1GHz !!

If this is considered off-topic, take it to slug-chat.

Jon
Greetings all,

Anter much persuasion, and agreeing to put...ughhh... EvilWare back on her notebook 
(swapped drives !!), SWMBO has agreed that Xena, the P233 workstation, needs to be 
retired.

Therefore, I'm looking for a new system. It will probably be a ready-built, but not 
necessarily name-brand one, as I can't seem to buy the parts for much less than the 
whole system, and at least I get warranty !

At the moment, I'm probably leaning towards a P4 1.8GHz, but would welcome thoughts on 
what might be better (for instance, I hear that a 1.4GHz Athlon will outperform a 
1.8GHz P4 in most instances, given that most applications are not P4 optimised yet).  
Other options, price related, are a PIII/1GHz, or even a DUAL PIII/1GHz !!

If this is considered off-topic, take it to slug-chat.

Jon
Greetings all,

Anter much persuasion, and agreeing to put...ughhh... EvilWare back on her notebook 
(swapped drives !!), SWMBO has agreed that Xena, the P233 workstation, needs to be 
retired.

Therefore, I'm looking for a new system. It will probably be a ready-built, but not 
necessarily name-brand one, as I can't seem to buy the parts for much less than the 
whole system, and at least I get warranty !

At the moment, I'm probably leaning towards a P4 1.8GHz, but would welcome thoughts on 
what might be better (for instance, I hear that a 1.4GHz Athlon will outperform a 
1.8GHz P4 in most instances, given that most applications are not P4 optimised yet).  
Other options, price related, are a PIII/1GHz, or even a DUAL PIII/1GHz !!

If this is considered off-topic, take it to slug-chat.

Jon

P.S. Any hints on where I can get GOOD parts CHEAP to build this will also be welcome 
!!

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Re: [SLUG] Hardware - Recommendations

2001-11-03 Thread Howard Lowndes

If you have got the Nov LJ then there is a good article on building the
Ultimate Linux Box.

BTW, why the 3 copies of the text?

On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Jon Biddell wrote:

 At the moment, I'm probably leaning towards a P4 1.8GHz, but would
 welcome thoughts on what might be better (for instance, I hear that a
 1.4GHz Athlon will outperform a 1.8GHz P4 in most instances, given
 that most applications are not P4 optimised yet).  Other options,
 price related, are a PIII/1GHz, or even a DUAL PIII/1GHz !!

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[SLUG] find mv

2001-11-03 Thread steven

Morning Sluggers

I am having trouble with something simple which I am sure is easy.  I just
want to rename all the files in a directory from say their existing name to
p-existingname.  e.g.  mv p1.fmt pp1.fmt but for all the files in a
directory.

mv wont do it so I thought use find with -exec.  However, {} in -exec gives
a full path name whichis fine for say adding .old to the end of the file
names but not manipulating the beginning.

I am sure my brain has just switched off but I couldn't solve it.  Any
suggestions gratefully received.


regards
Steven


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Re: [SLUG] Network not coming up

2001-11-03 Thread Terry Collins

Bernhard Lüder wrote:

 HOWEVER for some reason Linux cannot start the network when booting on the
 same system, that very happily runs under W2k.

What does ifconfig tell you?
Any errors/clues in dmesg?

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RE: [SLUG] Network not coming up

2001-11-03 Thread Bernhard Lüder

If I boot the machine normally it gets stuck at starting eth0 and will not
move unless I go Alt-Crtl-Del.

If I change the network card it (kudzu) will detect the new network card and
will ask to migrate the network setting. I say yes. But it still  gets stuck
at starting eth0 and will not move unless I go Alt-Crtl-Del.

If I start interactively and skip the network scripts it will boot to the
login prompt and I can log in (without network of course). When I then run:
/etc/rc.d/init.d/network probe

It tells me:
reload

if I then run:
/etc/rc.d/init.d/network probe

it will get stuck at starting eth0 and will not move unless I press Crtl-C.

I have since also re-installed the initscripts RPM. Same result.

I am starting to think hardware, but why would it work under W2K? All 3
network cards.

Bernhard Lüder

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Subject: Re: [SLUG] Network not coming up


Bernhard Lüder wrote:

 HOWEVER for some reason Linux cannot start the network when booting on the
 same system, that very happily runs under W2k.

What does ifconfig tell you?
Any errors/clues in dmesg?

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[SLUG] eth0: something wicket happened! 2008.

2001-11-03 Thread Bernhard Lüder

Hi,

I found this on another machine's consol:

eth0: something wicket happened! 2008.

What does this mean?
Bernhard Lüder

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RE: [SLUG] Network not coming up - Correction

2001-11-03 Thread Bernhard Lüder

Sorry. Correction:

If I boot the machine normally it gets stuck at starting eth0 and will not
move unless I go Alt-Crtl-Del.

If I change the network card it (kudzu) will detect the new network card and
will ask to migrate the network setting. I say yes. But it still  gets stuck
at starting eth0 and will not move unless I go Alt-Crtl-Del.

If I start interactively and skip the network scripts it will boot to the
login prompt and I can log in (without network of course). When I then run:
/etc/rc.d/init.d/network probe

It tells me:
reload

if I then run:
/etc/rc.d/init.d/network reload
 ^^

it will get stuck at starting eth0 and will not move unless I press Crtl-C.

I have since also re-installed the initscripts RPM. Same result.

I am starting to think hardware, but why would it work under W2K? All 3
network cards.

ifconfig I think shows only the lo interface.

Bernhard Lüder

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Re: [SLUG] find mv

2001-11-03 Thread Jeff Waugh

quote who=[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I am having trouble with something simple which I am sure is easy.  I just
 want to rename all the files in a directory from say their existing name to
 p-existingname.  e.g.  mv p1.fmt pp1.fmt but for all the files in a
 directory.
 
 mv wont do it so I thought use find with -exec.  However, {} in -exec gives
 a full path name whichis fine for say adding .old to the end of the file
 names but not manipulating the beginning.

basename and dirname are good for this. Check them out with man. :)

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Re: [SLUG] Network not coming up

2001-11-03 Thread Terry Collins

Bernhard Lüder wrote:

 If I start interactively and skip the network scripts it will boot to the
 login prompt and I can log in (without network of course). When I then run:
 /etc/rc.d/init.d/network probe

starting interactively, i.e. skipping bringing the network up, sounds
good, then I would suggest doinbg everything manual to see where it is
barfing. Have you checked the config files?

 I am starting to think hardware, but why would it work under W2K? All 3
 network cards.

Well, if they are supported by Linux, then it is not hardware. 
If these are the same type of card, then it could be a hw problem has
slipped into your distro for that type of card.
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[SLUG] Paintball Directions / Map

2001-11-03 Thread Craige McWhirter

While their website may still be down I managed to snavel this from
Google's cache:

http://www.slug.org.au/paintball-map.shtml

I'll post again with more updates and meeting times / places next week.

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Re: [SLUG] find mv

2001-11-03 Thread Herbert Xu

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 p-existingname.  e.g.  mv p1.fmt pp1.fmt but for all the files in a
 directory.

Try

find [whatever] -printf 'mv %p %h/p%f\n' | sh
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[SLUG] Netscape 6 and RedHat 7.2

2001-11-03 Thread Laurie Savage

I have installed Netscape 6.1 to /usr/local/netscape. It will not run. 
Issued command /usr/local/netscape/netscape. Things start to happen in 
the command prompt window then it chokes. Extract below

[laurie@localhost geology]$ /usr/local/netscape/netscape
/usr/local/netscape/run-mozilla.sh /usr/local/netscape/mozilla-bin
MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/usr/local/netscape
   LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/netscape:/usr/local/netscape/Cool
   LIBPATH=/usr/local/netscape:/usr/local/netscape/Cool
SHLIB_PATH=/usr/local/netscape:/usr/local/netscape/Cool
   XPCS_HOME=/usr/local/netscape/Cool
   MOZ_PROGRAM=/usr/local/netscape/mozilla-bin
   MOZ_TOOLKIT=
 moz_debug=0
  moz_debugger=

Running RedHat 7.1 with Ximian Gnome 1.4. Mozilla 0.9.2 works but the 
updated 0.9.5 does not either (/usr/share/mozilla - supplied with Ximian 
   RedCarpet update)
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Re: [SLUG] find mv

2001-11-03 Thread Andre Pang

On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 09:27:46AM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Morning Sluggers
 
 I am having trouble with something simple which I am sure is easy.  I just
 want to rename all the files in a directory from say their existing name to
 p-existingname.  e.g.  mv p1.fmt pp1.fmt but for all the files in a
 directory.

Try the 'rename' command, which will hopefully come bundled with
your distribution.  (I think it comes standard with Perl 5.5
upward or something.)  For your example:

rename 's/p/pp/' *.fmt

If you're not familiar with Perl's regular expressions, basically
what you need to do with rename is use 's/old_text/new_text' as
the first argument to the command.

rename will replace only the first occurance of that text in the
filename, so if you have a file called 'p1p.fmt', it'll get
renamed to 'pp1p.fmt', and not 'pp1pp.fmt'.  One of the most
common uses you'll see rename being used for is

rename 'tr/A-Z/a-z/' *

which transliterates (tr) all upper case characters (A-Z) to
lowercase characters (a-z).

If you have a whole bunch of files you want to rename, post them
to the slug list and I'm sure many regex gurus can help you out
:).  


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[SLUG] Using sendmail with bigpond isp

2001-11-03 Thread Laurie Savage

I have attempted to read the documentation in the sendmail-cf directory 
but am even more confused now. How can I set up sendmail to send all 
mail created by local users out through our bigpond.com server? I want 
to set up batch overnight mailing on my RedHat machine using a simple 
wvdial ;sendmail -q ; fetchmail -d0 -q script (it worked with Postfix!)

We are using the bigpond family mail with five addresses. My users are

jimbo@localhost 
hereis  [EMAIL PROTECTED] there
robert@localhost here   is  [EMAIL PROTECTED] there
cathy@localhost hereis  [EMAIL PROTECTED] there
etc, etc

SMTP server is mail.bigpond.com

Using fetchmail for POP3 downloads - no problems thanks to
fetchmailconf!
POP3 server is mail.bigpond.com

Postfix is much easier!

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Re: [SLUG] Windows sharing modems on linux server

2001-11-03 Thread Jon Biddell


1) Get the remote machines to answer  setup TCP/IP connection. Can you
get any old windows machine to do this?

It depends on the version of Windows you are running, but yes, you can use 
their dial up networking or vpn features to do this.




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Re: [SLUG] Hardware - Recommendations

2001-11-03 Thread Jon Biddell

At 08:52 4/11/01 +1100, you wrote:
If you have got the Nov LJ then there is a good article on building the
Ultimate Linux Box.

Reading it now,..:-)


BTW, why the 3 copies of the text?


Yeah, sorry about that - playing around with macros in MUTT and is fscked 
something up - I only realised it 0.01 seconds AFTER sending the message...:-(

Jon



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Re: [SLUG] The SLUG Pearls are Back!

2001-11-03 Thread Jon Biddell

At 02:32 2/11/01 -1000, cpaul wrote:


first (new) pearl?

http://www.roadkill.net/madmins/CAT509pro.html


I LIKE IT !!!  Kinky, but a seriously good network tool...:-)

ANd NO, SWMBO will NOT buy me one...:-(


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Re: [SLUG] Using sendmail with bigpond isp

2001-11-03 Thread Stuart Guthrie

Stick with postfix from all accounts it's better. Why the move to sendmail?

Laurie Savage wrote:

 I have attempted to read the documentation in the sendmail-cf 
 directory but am even more confused now. How can I set up sendmail to 
 send all mail created by local users out through our bigpond.com 
 server? I want to set up batch overnight mailing on my RedHat machine 
 using a simple wvdial ;sendmail -q ; fetchmail -d0 -q script (it 
 worked with Postfix!)

 We are using the bigpond family mail with five addresses. My users are

 jimbo@localhost here is [EMAIL PROTECTED] there
 robert@localhost here is [EMAIL PROTECTED] there
 cathy@localhost here is [EMAIL PROTECTED] there
 etc, etc

 SMTP server is mail.bigpond.com

 Using fetchmail for POP3 downloads - no problems thanks to
 fetchmailconf!
 POP3 server is mail.bigpond.com

 Postfix is much easier!





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RE: [SLUG] Network not coming up - solution

2001-11-03 Thread Bernhard Lüder

The solution was to change the network card and NOT migrate the details, but
manually setting them up again.

Bernhard Lüder

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Bernhard Lüder wrote:

 If I start interactively and skip the network scripts it will boot to
the
 login prompt and I can log in (without network of course). When I then
run:
 /etc/rc.d/init.d/network probe

starting interactively, i.e. skipping bringing the network up, sounds
good, then I would suggest doinbg everything manual to see where it is
barfing. Have you checked the config files?

 I am starting to think hardware, but why would it work under W2K? All 3
 network cards.

Well, if they are supported by Linux, then it is not hardware.
If these are the same type of card, then it could be a hw problem has
slipped into your distro for that type of card.
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Re: [SLUG] Hardware - Recommendations

2001-11-03 Thread DaZZa

On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Jon Biddell wrote:

[...triple copy of text about building a new box deleted...]

:-)

{Proecssor Choice}

Go for the Athlon. Actually, if you look on Toms Hardware page, there
*might* even be a dual Athlon board available now - SMP at 1.4 Ghz on
Athlon - now *that*'s speed.

The P4 is a stopgap until Intel get their 64bit processor ready - it's not
really much execpt a P3 with a thinner/smaller production method used.

 P.S. Any hints on where I can get GOOD parts CHEAP to build this will also
 be welcome !!

As always, North Rocks computer market. Not sure when they stop for the
year, though. Early December sometime, I think. You won't get the latest
and greatest stuff there, though. It's usually a genertion behind - older
stock that's being cleared out for cheap. Still a good deal, though.

Those travelling computer fares can give some shit hot prices too - last
one I attended seemed to average about 15% lower than retail. They tend to
have more recent stock - but I don't know if they come to Sydney anymore.
The last one I went to was in Canberra.

DaZZa


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