[SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)
Hi all, Though people might find this interesting. Intial testing comparing a source distro (Gentoo) with binary distros (Debian and Mandrake) shows that Gentoo offers no speed advantages even though it is compiled for the exact machine type it is going to run on. http://articles.linmagau.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=indexreq=viewarticleartid=227 Makes Debain (and Mandrake) look really god for the lack of messing about required of Gentoo. Erik -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yes it's valid) +---+ Traditional capital was stuck in a company's bank account or investments. It could not walk away in disgust. Human capital has free will. It can walk out the door; traditional capital cannot. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)
I think what we can get from this is that Only ONE count it 1. Test was run and I think it was run 1 time. It really is the worst type of crap journalism. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik de Castro Lopo Sent: Sunday, 3 August 2003 4:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-) Hi all, Though people might find this interesting. Intial testing comparing a source distro (Gentoo) with binary distros (Debian and Mandrake) shows that Gentoo offers no speed advantages even though it is compiled for the exact machine type it is going to run on. http://articles.linmagau.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=i ndexreq=viewarticleartid=227 Makes Debain (and Mandrake) look really god for the lack of messing about required of Gentoo. Erik -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yes it's valid) +---+ Traditional capital was stuck in a company's bank account or investments. It could not walk away in disgust. Human capital has free will. It can walk out the door; traditional capital cannot. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)
Oops no I am wrong! 3 tests were performed! Count them 3! And it looks like the were run 1 time! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben de Luca Sent: Sunday, 3 August 2003 4:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-) I think what we can get from this is that Only ONE count it 1. Test was run and I think it was run 1 time. It really is the worst type of crap journalism. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik de Castro Lopo Sent: Sunday, 3 August 2003 4:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-) Hi all, Though people might find this interesting. Intial testing comparing a source distro (Gentoo) with binary distros (Debian and Mandrake) shows that Gentoo offers no speed advantages even though it is compiled for the exact machine type it is going to run on. http://articles.linmagau.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=i ndexreq=viewarticleartid=227 Makes Debain (and Mandrake) look really god for the lack of messing about required of Gentoo. Erik -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yes it's valid) +---+ Traditional capital was stuck in a company's bank account or investments. It could not walk away in disgust. Human capital has free will. It can walk out the door; traditional capital cannot. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)
Without disparaging the journalitic quality of the article, I would challenge that not nearly enough testing was performed to take any meaningful information away on the Pros or Cons of a fully compiled system. Also some of the gains that come from compiling a source are smaller memory footprint binariesnone of that side of things was explored. I would like to see a more extensive exploration of the gains and/or losses in a Gentoo style distribution. D. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik de Castro Lopo Sent: Sunday, 3 August 2003 4:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-) Hi all, Though people might find this interesting. Intial testing comparing a source distro (Gentoo) with binary distros (Debian and Mandrake) shows that Gentoo offers no speed advantages even though it is compiled for the exact machine type it is going to run on. http://articles.linmagau.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=i ndexreq=viewarticleartid=227 Makes Debain (and Mandrake) look really god for the lack of messing about required of Gentoo. Erik -- Never ascribe to malice that which may adequately be explained by incompetence. - Napoleon Bonaparte -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 17:04:44 +1000 Ben de Luca [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oops no I am wrong! 3 tests were performed! Count them 3! And it looks like the were run 1 time! Thats a pretty defensive posture to be taking isn't it? My intro to this stated very clearly that these were initial results. Similarly, the article itself made no claims to be an extensive study of this issue but they did suggest a reason why Gentoo might be a little slower (optimisation of -O2 instead of -O3). However, the real beauty of this study is that it would be very easy for anyone with the normal resources of a home computer user to set up and run a better test. If you feel strongly enough that the test in the article is flawed, you should feel free to pursure it. My suggestion is that you plan the testing to be carried out before hand, post it here for comments on the methodology and when that seems sound then run your tests. Erik -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yes it's valid) +---+ Learning Linux is like joining a cult. Sure it's fun at first but you waste time, become brainwashed, and then have to be de-programmed by Bill Gates before you can work for Him again. - Ray Lopez, in [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: [ALLIES] Statement of Attainment in Linux
At Fri, 1 Aug 2003 14:16:47 +0930, David Lloyd wrote: [1 text/plain; US-ASCII (7bit)] Geoffrey, Subjects: o Occupational Health and Safety 18 hours Is this necessary? Doable by project work or RPL Yes; one's health and safety is paramount. o Introduction to Linux (72 hours) Easy Introduction for non technical people. 80% GUI 20% basic command line. Moms and Pops course. You should allow for an easy prior recognition here. I might want to do the course (just to get a piece of paper) and I'd be mightily annoyed if I had to learn how to use the GUI. With RPL of course candidates can go straight to Running Linux or LPI cert. o Linux and MS Windows network Integration (72 hours) Easy Introduction to networking. 100% GUI Install and network a mix of OSs. Show how nearly everything that you can do with Linux can be done with a legacy commercial system. Ok. What prerequisites do the students/course takers/whatever their politically correct name is these days have? That is to say, can you assume that they'll understand: The samba server broadcasts on the 192.168.168.0/26 network In general it sounds good. The course materials...will they be free or do you intend to sell them? (i.e. can I get a copy of them). The teaching resources are open source and are at http://lcdp.sf.net in CVS or old versions are in pdf. Over 500 pages of notes and labs and many hundreds of overhead slides. Exams are not public for obvious reasons. Still looking for help in developing these teaching materials. Geoffrey -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 02:04:39PM +1000, DE LUCA Ben wrote: I would love to be able to find people competent in the administration of NIS, samba, NFS and able to use tapes with tar etc, be competent in shell scripting. There seems to be such an emphases of linux as a webserver compared to other tasks. These topics are covered in the LPI cert. With the exception of the scripting. I do teach another subject in scripting... see http://www.slug.org.au/training.html Geoffrey On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 11:40, Geoffrey Robertson wrote: Educational Allies and other dudes, A few TAFE people had a meeting yesterday in Sydney's west---we have launched the process to creating some Linux Statement of Attainment courses. I think I'm right in saying these will be the first courses in Australia to offer an inexpensive ($150) open entry Linux specific qualification. They formalize the courses we have had running at Granville TAFE Electrical Engineering Dept. for a number of years. For your comment The courses: Statement of Attainment in Linux Subjects: o Occupational Health and Safety 18 hours Is this necessary? Doable by project work or RPL o Introduction to Linux (72 hours) Easy Introduction for non technical people. 80% GUI 20% basic command line. Moms and Pops course. o Linux and MS Windows network Integration (72 hours) Easy Introduction to networking. 100% GUI Install and network a mix of OSs. Show how nearly everything that you can do with Linux can be done with a legacy commercial system. o Running Linux (72 hours) Introduction to Linux for computer literate people. Aimed at people studying Computer Science at other institutions, administrators of legacy commercial systems or any all those who have been running Linux somewhere and would like to fill in the gaps in their knowledge. o LAMP (72 hours) --- proposal only at this time For Linux literate people. Set up and configure Apache. Install and use a free database. Learn Perl / PHP / Python and create a Website with these tools. Flexable delivery roject based course? o TBA 72 hours Your idea goes here. Statement of Attainment in LPI Certification Level 1 o LPIC 101 Exam Preparation (72 hours) Entry requirement: Completed Running Linux or equiv. or RPL or LPIC 102 Exam Preparation This subject follows the detailed objectives published by LPI for exam LPIC 101. o LPIC 102 Exam Preparation (72 hours) Entry requirement: Completed Running Linux or equiv. or RPL or LPIC 101 Exam Preparation This subject follows the detailed objectives published by LPI for exam LPIC 102. Statement of Attainment in LPI Certification Level 2 o LPIC 201 Exam Preparation (72 hours) Entry requirement: LPIC 101 Exam Preparation and LPIC 102 Exam Preparationor LPIC Level 1 Certification. This subject follows the detailed objectives published by LPI for exam LPIC 201. o LPIC 202 Exam Preparation (72 hours) Entry requirement: LPIC 101 Exam Preparation and LPIC 102 Exam Preparation or LPIC Level 1 Certification. This subject follows the detailed objectives published by LPI for exam LPIC 202. Comments Geoffrey lcdp.sf.net -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 02:35:18PM +1000, Kevin Saenz wrote: This is an excellent step forward. It's great that the TAFE is starting with the basics in Linux. I would like to see how many people sign up for this course. Also what TAFEs would this appear in? This is formalizing courses that have been running for four or five years now. So far only at Granville tafe. How many? I teach about 100 students each semester. Over 9 semesters that's about 800 students. Very roughly. Geoffrey Statement of Attainment in Linux Subjects: o Occupational Health and Safety 18 hours Is this necessary? Doable by project work or RPL o Introduction to Linux (72 hours) Easy Introduction for non technical people. 80% GUI 20% basic command line. Moms and Pops course. o Linux and MS Windows network Integration (72 hours) Easy Introduction to networking. 100% GUI Install and network a mix of OSs. Show how nearly everything that you can do with Linux can be done with a legacy commercial system. o Running Linux (72 hours) Introduction to Linux for computer literate people. Aimed at people studying Computer Science at other institutions, administrators of legacy commercial systems or any all those who have been running Linux somewhere and would like to fill in the gaps in their knowledge. o LAMP (72 hours) --- proposal only at this time For Linux literate people. Set up and configure Apache. Install and use a free database. Learn Perl / PHP / Python and create a Website with these tools. Flexable delivery roject based course? o TBA 72 hours Your idea goes here. snip, yet again -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 02:29:22PM +1000, Graham Smith wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:40, Geoffrey Robertson wrote: Educational Allies and other dudes, SNIPPED Geoffrey, One subject that I feel that needs coverage is Security on Linux. IPtables - creating a firewall from scratch VPN - How to setup and secure Proxies Intrusion detection chroot ssl I seem to struggle with these items each time I have to set them up. Yes, this is one of the courses in LPI cert level 3. Which has still to be written. Would make a good slug fest in the meantime. Time for a securefest. The last one was pre iptables afair. Geoffrey BTW, openVPN is now available for Windows 2000 and XP. They have ported the TAP/TUN devices to windows. http://openvpn.sourceforge.net/ -- Regards, Graham Smith - -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 02:59:24PM +1000, Perry, David J wrote: Looks good, Geoffrey, hopefully LPIC201/202 will be available next year. I'll see how my energy levels are next year :) One area which I think is important is system administration for small office home office ( SOHO ) situations. This is the less sexy end of Linux but really important for the end users. I speak from experience as sys admin for a small network which supports two students. ;-) The things that really excite my users are: * printing, especially when it stops for no apparent reason in the middle of a 10 page document * Mozilla browsers which don't have the necessary plug ins to render some web sites * Open Office Writer which doesn't have an Australian dictionary or thesaurus installed. I've tried but couldn't get it to work. :-( This is my two bob's worth for the TBA section of the course. These anoyances are part of the reason that the user base for Linux is made up of technical users or those like our families who have close access to a technical user. This will gradually change. However there is no course at this time to make mozilla do everything that IE does or make every .doc perfect in OpenOffice. You will remember as I do the painfull change over from ASR33s to glass ttys. Sooner or later this legacy commecial MS software will fall away before the tide of free and open software. Geoffrey -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 12:08:16PM +1000, Brad Kowalczyk wrote: As a Linux newbie I would be very interested in this course, however I live about 250km NW of Sydney. I don't suppose that such a course might be included in TAFE's OTEN in the future, allowing people away from Sydney or other major centres to study remotely? Probably a long shot. Brad I have plans for open access online courses. OTEN doesn't know yet but if I can get some help I think something might happen in the not too distant future. Have a look at gonzo.org.au Geoffrey -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 03:22:49PM +1000, Kevin Fitzgerald wrote: Sounds Awesome Geoffrey!! Hows the new course going? Kev The Younger one Very well, Gus Lees gave a great lesson last wednesday. btw for those who are committed on wednesdays---the LPI is likely to be on a thursday next year. Geoffrey -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Packard-Bell i Power
Hi to One and All I have just taken delivery of a Packard-Bell / NEC 3.06Ghz i power laptop. I have tried both SuSE 8.2 and Mandrake 9.1 on it so far, and SuSE 8.2 is the clear winner in terms of functions. The only things not working is the RW Burner/DVD combo drive, And of course the internal modem.There are no icons for the DVD or a CD-ROM only the burner. The burner does not function. The DVD /CD-ROM also does not work.DVD's and CD's are readable vir the -RW burner icon. The sound system works and all OSes will only go to 1024x768. It comes with win XP Home which has been shrunk to fit one or more versions of Linux. Has anyone else had any tries with this machine, and got more than SuSE working.With more functions? The internal modem is not a real problem since the box will be tied to a network most of the time, and while i am away Internet access will not be a great priority. Gerald -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
DE LUCA Ben wrote:
I would love to be able to find people competent in the administration
of NIS, samba, NFS and able to use tapes with tar etc, be competent in
shell scripting.
where is it and how much does it pay?
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Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
Geoffrey Robertson wrote:
Educational Allies and other dudes,
A few TAFE people had a meeting yesterday in Sydney's west---we have
launched the process to creating some Linux Statement of Attainment
courses.
Is this going to be like other Statement of Attainment Courses at TAFE?
i.e. you do multiple subjects of your choice?
each about 3 hours/night for a semester is one subject?
Is it going to be stand alone from the MS window subject. e.g are you
going to networking from a linux viewpoint?
Okay, I think you need to add;
GUIs - from tvm, etc through to Gnome, KDE and others. Installation,
configuration. Can cover the whole X stuff.
Linux as a server - its role in ipx, netbios/netbieu TCP/IP. The whole
file, print,etc thing. Samba is just one part of it. I would suggest
Samab specialty as a follow on subject.
Databases - the usual
MTA's - yes sendmail because that is what is most used, but cover
others.
Printing - it requires a a subject to do it well. Start with the old
text printer, through lasers (PCL Postscript) through to colour, plus
HPGL, ghostscript, etc
Consider also flexible delivery on some subjects, away from talk and
chalk subjects.
Where is it going to be offered?
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Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
Geoffrey Robertson wrote:
...snip
Statement of Attainment in Linux
Subjects:
o Occupational Health and Safety 18 hours
Is this necessary? Doable by project work or RPL
I think 18 hours is way over the top.
What is being taught?
Posture
Desktop set up
Electrical safety
Shifting loads
Oh wait, does this include the obligatory first aid course?
That would account for the hours then.
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Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
there's no more than 10 hours of ohs taught in any tafe course that
I can remember,
each hardware component of the network management course I'm
currently doing has an ohs component and afaik there was no more
than 5 hours per semester spent on it,
if I'm wtonf, I'll stand up and say I was so.
hth
Thus spake Terry Collins,
Geoffrey Robertson wrote:
...snip
Statement of Attainment in Linux
Subjects:
o Occupational Health and Safety 18 hours
Is this necessary? Doable by project work or RPL
I think 18 hours is way over the top.
What is being taught?
Posture
Desktop set up
Electrical safety
Shifting loads
Oh wait, does this include the obligatory first aid course?
That would account for the hours then.
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Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
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Re: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)
quote who=Dion I would like to see a more extensive exploration of the gains and/or losses in a Gentoo style distribution. Results of extensive exploration: Clear indications that the numbats using Gentoo spent more time building their systems than annoying people doing real work. - Jeff :-) -- Get Informed: SCO vs. IBMhttp://sco.iwethey.org/ If Perl is gaffer, and Python is Magic Tape, then Ruby is self-adhesive plate gold. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
quote who=Geoffrey Robertson Time for a securefest. The last one was pre iptables afair. Good call. Will add to committee agenda for this week. :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2004: Adelaide, Australia http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ I am Jack's smoking gun. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
Geoffrey Robertson wrote:
...snip
These topics are covered in the LPI cert.
I suggest ignoring other course, especially given the propensity for
fashion following that has been in Linux for the last few years.
A TAFE statement means something because TAFE is a known quantity for a
lot of employers. LPI is just another wiz bang that has popped up (yes I
do know who/what it is so lets not start a thread on it) and it probably
equates to mail order degrees anyway.
And other subjects;
Scripting; shells, sed, awk, Perl ??? would be a different subjects.
Backups; from burning a file CD, to tape (tar, cpio, amanda, and
commercial (Bru, ??, Arkeia, ??).
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Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
Shaun Oliver wrote:
there's no more than 10 hours of ohs taught in any tafe course that
I can remember,
As you said, you are doing an IT course.
I am working with something a bit more lethal at 6,000 degrees Celsius
Just be thankful that my wife isn't deciding the contents
first aid for the ram,
first aid for mice,
what do you do when people loose their memory?
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[SLUG] attaching directories in pine
can I attach all the files in a directory in one go? or does one have to add each file one at a time? If so, is there a short hand way of attaching directories one at a time? David. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
On Sunday 03 August 2003 07:12 pm, Geoffrey Robertson wrote: On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 02:59:24PM +1000, Perry, David J wrote: Looks good, Geoffrey, hopefully LPIC201/202 will be available next year. I'll see how my energy levels are next year :) when i was a kid growing up .. they say that a guiness and a coupla eggs works wonders .. or was that two guinesses and an egg ... or :) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)
Quoting Dion [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Without disparaging the journalitic quality of the article, I would challenge that not nearly enough testing was performed to take any meaningful information away on the Pros or Cons of a fully compiled system. Also some of the gains that come from compiling a source are smaller memory footprint binariesnone of that side of things was explored. Wait a moment. The article said they used the -O3 flag to gcc, did it not? Unless gcc is broken in Gentoo this is supposed to create larger binaries than the standard -O2 flag that Mandrake at least adopts as default (I would expect the same of other distros but don't actually know). If you wanted to optimise for size you'd need to specify the -Os flag. But yes, whilst I'm aware that all this (and more) is possible in Gentoo, I imagine the reason they didn't explore the shrinkage of their binaries is that they should have ended up being larger :) The amount of memory dedicated to actually running the program should be the same though -- it's the same code doing the same stuff. Writing code that allocates 1GB of memory and then building with -O6 won't magically reduce the memory requirements so that you can run it in 1GB of memory. I would like to see a more extensive exploration of the gains and/or losses in a Gentoo style distribution. Oh for sure. I don't think anyone is treating this as conclusive. It does say to me though that optimising all your software to the max doesn't guarantee significantly better performance, which was roughly what they were investigating. Actually no, I'm reading that in -- if running gcc counts as better use of your hardware then their comments about the scrapping of the OpenOffice.org test suggest that Gentoo makes far better use of your hardware than anything available today :) James. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik de Castro Lopo Sent: Sunday, 3 August 2003 4:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-) Hi all, Though people might find this interesting. Intial testing comparing a source distro (Gentoo) with binary distros (Debian and Mandrake) shows that Gentoo offers no speed advantages even though it is compiled for the exact machine type it is going to run on. http://articles.linmagau.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=i ndexreq=viewarticleartid=227 Makes Debain (and Mandrake) look really god for the lack of messing about required of Gentoo. Erik -- Never ascribe to malice that which may adequately be explained by incompetence. - Napoleon Bonaparte -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 09:05:07PM +1000, Terry Collins wrote:
Geoffrey Robertson wrote:
Educational Allies and other dudes,
A few TAFE people had a meeting yesterday in Sydney's west---we have
launched the process to creating some Linux Statement of Attainment
courses.
Is this going to be like other Statement of Attainment Courses at TAFE?
i.e. you do multiple subjects of your choice?
each about 3 hours/night for a semester is one subject?
Is it going to be stand alone from the MS window subject. e.g are you
going to networking from a linux viewpoint?
The OHS is the standard 18hr tafe coourse. You do it for welding,
you do it for bricklaying. CPR etc. Forgotten what.
The S of A is based around the subject Running Linux which is aimed at
computer literate folks who may do some Linux or are just begining.
This is the course I've been teaching for years.
Real beginners will need to preceed this subject with Linux Intro
I'm inventing this subject now.
Other subjects are tossed in as optional.
Okay, I think you need to add;
GUIs - from tvm, etc through to Gnome, KDE and others. Installation,
configuration. Can cover the whole X stuff.
Linux as a server - its role in ipx, netbios/netbieu TCP/IP. The whole
file, print,etc thing. Samba is just one part of it. I would suggest
Samab specialty as a follow on subject.
Databases - the usual
MTA's - yes sendmail because that is what is most used, but cover
others.
Printing - it requires a a subject to do it well. Start with the old
text printer, through lasers (PCL Postscript) through to colour, plus
HPGL, ghostscript, etc
Consider also flexible delivery on some subjects, away from talk and
chalk subjects.
Where is it going to be offered?
Granville tafe for a start then the world.
Geoffrey
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RE: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
Hi Geoffrey
Is there any indication of which TAFE colleges/institutes will
(eventually) offer this course? Do you think we'll see it run outside
of Granville, for those of us that live a little further afield.
cheers
Michael
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Geoffrey Robertson
Sent: Monday, 4 August 2003 9:16 AM
To: Terry Collins; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 09:05:07PM +1000, Terry Collins wrote:
Geoffrey Robertson wrote:
Educational Allies and other dudes,
A few TAFE people had a meeting yesterday in Sydney's west---we have
launched the process to creating some Linux Statement of Attainment
courses.
Is this going to be like other Statement of Attainment Courses at
TAFE?
i.e. you do multiple subjects of your choice?
each about 3 hours/night for a semester is one subject?
Is it going to be stand alone from the MS window subject. e.g are you
going to networking from a linux viewpoint?
The OHS is the standard 18hr tafe coourse. You do it for welding,
you do it for bricklaying. CPR etc. Forgotten what.
The S of A is based around the subject Running Linux which is aimed
at
computer literate folks who may do some Linux or are just begining.
This is the course I've been teaching for years.
Real beginners will need to preceed this subject with Linux Intro
I'm inventing this subject now.
Other subjects are tossed in as optional.
Okay, I think you need to add;
GUIs - from tvm, etc through to Gnome, KDE and others. Installation,
configuration. Can cover the whole X stuff.
Linux as a server - its role in ipx, netbios/netbieu TCP/IP. The
whole
file, print,etc thing. Samba is just one part of it. I would suggest
Samab specialty as a follow on subject.
Databases - the usual
MTA's - yes sendmail because that is what is most used, but cover
others.
Printing - it requires a a subject to do it well. Start with the old
text printer, through lasers (PCL Postscript) through to colour,
plus
HPGL, ghostscript, etc
Consider also flexible delivery on some subjects, away from talk and
chalk subjects.
Where is it going to be offered?
Granville tafe for a start then the world.
Geoffrey
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Re: [SLUG] attaching directories in pine
On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 23:20, David wrote: can I attach all the files in a directory in one go? or does one have to add each file one at a time? If so, is there a short hand way of attaching directories one at a time? Attach to what??? (I'm assuming an email). I'd say no, easiest way would be to tar it up and attach the tar file. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] LPI Information Session
Hi all, Linux Australia is holding an information session about Linux in the IT sector. We have the President of LPI, Evan Leibovitch all the way from Canada coming here to discuss Linux Skills and where the LPI certification fits in. The seminar is Monday 11th, 6pm at 5-11 Wentworth Ave, the Lady Reid B room. Entry is free and refreshments will be served. The seminar is aimed at IT Managers, IT Professionals (including those already teaching the LPI and LPI certified), Job agency representatives, and Government. More information can be found at: http://linux.org.au/projects/lpi/ and please RSVP to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks all, Pia -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] attaching directories in pine
On 4 Aug 2003, Tony Green wrote: On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 23:20, David wrote: can I attach all the files in a directory in one go? or does one have to add each file one at a time? If so, is there a short hand way of attaching directories one at a time? ^^^ files! Attach to what??? (I'm assuming an email). does pine do something other than email? ;-) I'd say no, easiest way would be to tar it up and attach the tar file. that's what I was afraid of :( tar is not an option when sending to brain-dead punters, unfortunately. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] attaching directories in pine
** Reply to note from David [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:19:41 +1000 (EST) that's what I was afraid of :( tar is not an option when sending to brain-dead punters, unfortunately. what about InfoZIPing instead ? Voytek Eymont -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] attaching directories in pine
On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, David wrote: On 4 Aug 2003, Tony Green wrote: On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 23:20, David wrote: can I attach all the files in a directory in one go? or does one have to add each file one at a time? If so, is there a short hand way of attaching directories one at a time? ^^^ files! Attach to what??? (I'm assuming an email). does pine do something other than email? ;-) I'd say no, easiest way would be to tar it up and attach the tar file. that's what I was afraid of :( tar is not an option when sending to brain-dead punters, unfortunately. Is zip any better for your users? What would you like to happen? Do you want to attach all the files in a directory separately? What do you want to happen to nested directories? Andrew McNaughton -- No added Sugar. Not tested on animals. May contain traces of Nuts. If irritation occurs, discontinue use. --- Andrew McNaughton In Sydney Working on a Product Recommender System [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: +61 422 753 792 http://staff.scoop.co.nz/andrew/cv.doc -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] attaching directories in pine
Is zip any better for your users? What would you like to happen? Do you want to attach all the files in a directory separately? What do you want to happen to nested directories? Andrew McNaughton Winzip associates itself with .tar and .tar.gz files by default when it's installed... wouldn't the user only have to 'open the attachment' as if it were a normal zip file? This is assuming that the recipient is in fact running a windows system. cheers Michael -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Apache vhost logs and file descriptors limits: individual logs vssingle log
looking at some of the Apache docs on vhosting states in part: - /manual/vhosts/mass.html ... The main disadvantage is that you cannot have a different log file for each virtual host; however if you have very many virtual hosts then doing this is dubious anyway because it eats file descriptors. It is better to log to a pipe or a fifo and arrange for the process at the other end to distribute the logs to the customers (it can also accumulate statistics, etc.). .. - at what point should one get concerned: 100 logs ? 1000 ? ? how does one asses how many file handles are available/free/in use ? Voytek Eymont -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] attaching directories in pine
On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Michael Collins wrote: Is zip any better for your users? What would you like to happen? Do you want to attach all the files in a directory separately? What do you want to happen to nested directories? Andrew McNaughton Winzip associates itself with .tar and .tar.gz files by default when it's installed... wouldn't the user only have to 'open the attachment' as if it were a normal zip file? This is assuming that the recipient is in fact running a windows system. I'm in the happy position of not having used a windows system of any type for several years ;-) The down side is that I have no idea what the other 95% of the world can do. If tar works for windows, then tar is an option. Stuffit on a Macintosh unpacks .tar files. cheers Michael -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Restoring Windows XP Master boot record
Title: Mensaje Hi all, I installed Mandrake 9.0 in my T30 laptop to dual boot with my current Windows XP instalation. After unsuccessfuly trying to make my winmodem work, I will need to uninstall it. Is there a way to restore the original boot sector? or, as second choice there is a way to make grub or lilo work without the original /boot partition? I will appreciate any suggestions. Enrique.- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] postifx, sendmail, php config files
I have RH73 with Postfix as MTA, looking at various conf files for php-related stuff, some of them want to know 'path to sendmail' or 'sendmail options', what is one supposed to with that ? does sendmail still gets called (as a 'one time execution' rather than deamon..?) ; For Unix only. You may supply arguments as well (default: 'sendmail -t -i'). ;sendmail_path = Voytek Eymont -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Aarnet mirror down?
Someone here might have a better idea of the status of the Aarnet Mirror - is it down or something?? Traces/pings ftp and http://mirror.aarent.edu.au are all returning timeouts from two different ISP's we use (Telstra and RequestDSL). Traces are dying on the first hop which is weird, but it's the same for both routers.almost like there's no route to 192.42.62.2 (what I'm resolving the mirror as). Any other info folks?? --James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Restoring Windows XP Master boot record
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Enrique Vila Sent: Monday, 4 August 2003 10:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] Restoring Windows XP Master boot record Hi all, I installed Mandrake 9.0 in my T30 laptop to dual boot with my current Windows XP instalation. After unsuccessfuly trying to make my winmodem work, I will need to uninstall it. Is there a way to restore the original boot sector? or, as second choice there is a way to make grub or lilo work without the original /boot partition? I will appreciate any suggestions. Enrique.- This will work with XP Pro to repair the MBR, not sure about XP Home... or which version you are running. Boot using the XP CD and press R to initiate the recovery console You'll need the administrator password after you've selected you XP installation from the list Run the command FIXMBR Note that you'll need a boot disk to access your Linux partition once this has been run. cheers Michael -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] postifx, sendmail, php config files
quote who=Voytek Eymont looking at various conf files for php-related stuff, some of them want to know 'path to sendmail' or 'sendmail options', what is one supposed to with that ? does sendmail still gets called (as a 'one time execution' rather than deamon..?) sendmail(1) is the standard executable for submitting mails to the MTA queue, so yes, postfix supplies its own version. You shouldn't need to change anything from the php defaults, unless you are doing something very special. - Jeff -- Get Informed: SCO vs. IBMhttp://sco.iwethey.org/ I would hack on the file selector. But I think I would write like, 3 LOC for every 100 lines of mail I had to read/write. - James Willcox -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Apache vhost logs and file descriptors limits: individuallogs vs single log
On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Voytek Eymont wrote: Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:53:01 From: Voytek Eymont [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] Apache vhost logs and file descriptors limits: individual logs vs single log looking at some of the Apache docs on vhosting states in part: - /manual/vhosts/mass.html ... The main disadvantage is that you cannot have a different log file for each virtual host; however if you have very many virtual hosts then doing this is dubious anyway because it eats file descriptors. It is better to log to a pipe or a fifo and arrange for the process at the other end to distribute the logs to the customers (it can also accumulate statistics, etc.). .. - at what point should one get concerned: 100 logs ? 1000 ? ? When you think you might run out of file handles. That's very dependent on your system's setup. At 100 (or even 20) I'd set this up sooner or later, but it wouldn't be high priority while other things needed doing. I'd have it set up long before I tried to run 1000 servers in production use. how does one asses how many file handles are available/free/in use ? I mostly use Freebsd. Not sure what the proper way to do this is on linux, but you could just run `lsof|wc` to get the number in use. The number available is probably compiled into your kernel, but there would also be a command to tweak it. Andrew -- No added Sugar. Not tested on animals. May contain traces of Nuts. If irritation occurs, discontinue use. --- Andrew McNaughton In Sydney Working on a Product Recommender System [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: +61 422 753 792 http://staff.scoop.co.nz/andrew/cv.doc -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] postifx, sendmail, php config files
I have RH73 with Postfix as MTA, looking at various conf files for php-related stuff, some of them want to know 'path to sendmail' or 'sendmail options', what is one supposed to with that ? does sendmail still gets called (as a 'one time execution' rather than deamon..?) ; For Unix only. You may supply arguments as well (default: 'sendmail -t -i'). ;sendmail_path = My understanding is exactly that... php.ini needs the sendmail path so that the mail() function can execute sendmail when it's needed. You can also set up php to use a TCP connection to send mail (SMTP directive)... that is, connect to port 25 and issue the necessary commands to send an email, if the daemon is running. Arguments necesary to run sendmail from within php would be site specific. cheers Michael -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Aarnet mirror down?
Jon Biddell wrote: -= Someone here might have a better idea of the status of the -= Aarnet Mirror - is it down or something?? Traces/pings ftp -= and http://mirror.aarent.edu.au are all returning timeouts -= from two different ISP's we use (Telstra and RequestDSL). -= Traces are dying on the first hop which is weird, but it's -= the same for both routers.almost like there's no route -= to 192.42.62.2 (what I'm resolving the mirror as). -= -= Any other info folks?? Working fine from here - and if you use mirror.aarnet.edu.au instead of aarent.edu.au, you'll probably be able to get to it too:-) Usually the reason is that you're using the mirror from overseas. As the mirror is, well, a mirror of other sites, the original site is 14,000Km closer -- go and use it. Some Australian ISPs send traffic to other Australian ISPs via the US. They are treated as overseas networks (which is only fair, they are attempting to cost-shift their costs of using an Australian backbone ISP for Australian traffic onto us paying for fatter overseas links). It's not perfect, but I can't afford the $5m per year of allowing overseas users to use the mirror. At some stage there will be a nice web page explaining all of this when accessing the mirror rather than a BGP-level solution. -- Glen Turner Tel: (08) 8303 3936 or +61 8 8303 3936 Network Engineer Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Australian Academic Research Network www.aarnet.edu.au -- linux.conf.au 2004, Adelaide lca2004.linux.org.au Main conference 14-17 January 2004 Miniconfs from 12 Jan -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)
On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 05:04:44PM +1000, Ben de Luca wrote: Oops no I am wrong! 3 tests were performed! Count them 3! And it looks like the were run 1 time! I take it that you're a Gentoo user who has been saying to all and sundry you should run Gentoo because it's faster, and now that someone has actual numbers (however obtained) disputing that, you're a little miffed. Well, you know what you can do: run tests of your own. Pull a mindcraft and write the numbers and then run the tests. Or whatever. - Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Apache vhost logs and file descriptors limits: individual
** Reply to note from Andrew McNaughton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:42:19 +1200 (NZST) I mostly use Freebsd. Not sure what the proper way to do this is on linux, but you could just run `lsof|wc` to get the number in use. The number available is probably compiled into your kernel, but there would also be a command to tweak it. Andrew, thanks I'm getting 16 instances per each vhost log: # lsof|grep sbt.net.au-access.log |wc -l 16 # lsof|wc -l 3946 # lsof|grep /vhosts/ | wc -l 544 this implies my vhosts are already using over 10% of all in-use file handles (no ?) Voytek Eymont -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] cistron-radius webmin module
Hi All, I was wondering if anyone has used the Cistron-Radius Webmin Module? I have installed and configured it and I am having two problems. Firstly I can't seem to find any section that allows you to specify session/timeout limits and concidering the amount of other configuration you can change I would be surprised if this wasn't included somewhere, but I can't it. Secondly when ever I try and open the config of anything or try and add a new user or whatever, I keep getting Error - File not found. I assume that this is because I haven't specified a 'category file' or 'category map file', however I cannot find either of these files or any information about them... Any ideas? Cheers Adam. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Apache vhost logs and file descriptors limits: individual
On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Voytek Eymont wrote: ** Reply to note from Andrew McNaughton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:42:19 +1200 (NZST) I mostly use Freebsd. Not sure what the proper way to do this is on linux, but you could just run `lsof|wc` to get the number in use. The number available is probably compiled into your kernel, but there would also be a command to tweak it. Andrew, thanks I'm getting 16 instances per each vhost log: # lsof|grep sbt.net.au-access.log |wc -l 16 # lsof|wc -l 3946 # lsof|grep /vhosts/ | wc -l 544 this implies my vhosts are already using over 10% of all in-use file handles (no ?) Hmm. They'll be sharing file handles. lsof +f f turns on the FILE-ADDR field, which gives you a identifier for each unique file handle. There will be a better tool for finding out about available file handles. Andrew -- No added Sugar. Not tested on animals. May contain traces of Nuts. If irritation occurs, discontinue use. --- Andrew McNaughton In Sydney Working on a Product Recommender System [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: +61 422 753 792 http://staff.scoop.co.nz/andrew/cv.doc -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Restoring Windows XP Master boot record
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 10:59, Enrique Vila wrote: Hi all, I installed Mandrake 9.0 in my T30 laptop to dual boot with my current Windows XP instalation. After unsuccessfuly trying to make my winmodem work, I will need to uninstall it. Is that the only reason? What sort of winmodem is it? Is there a way to restore the original boot sector? or, as second choice there is a way to make grub or lilo work without the original /boot partition? You used to be able to do fdisk /mbr in windows. I don't know if that still works. There's a repair boot loader option in the mandrake 9.1 rescue whatsit, but I don't know what it does. AFAIK, Microsoft use the NT bootloader on Windows, so you'll probably want to look up how to get windows to rewrite that. James. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] UPS for Linux environment
Can anyone recommend a UPS for a linux environment? Thanks Kevin -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] frontpage extensions
Hi All, Does anyone know how to recreate all of the frontpage extensions on a single website? I have frontpage installed and working, however I have a couple of sites that seems to have lost the frontpage directories and files and I am getting errors when trying to use frontpage to connect to the site. I am hoping that there is some way of running frontpage over the directory to have it recreate the files it needs. ?? Cheers Adam. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Apache vhost logs and file descriptors limits: individuallogs vssingle log
looking at some of the Apache docs on vhosting states in part: - /manual/vhosts/mass.html ... The main disadvantage is that you cannot have a different log file for each virtual host; however if you have very many virtual hosts then doing this is dubious anyway because it eats file descriptors. It is better to log to a pipe or a fifo and arrange for the process at the other end to distribute the logs to the customers (it can also accumulate statistics, etc.). There is a way around. You can have separate log files for each virtual host. Assign ip number for each virtual host. You may also need encryption between your server and clients for security, in these times when users have snippers, tcpdump, and ethereal. So, ip numbers for each virtual host is a must. To assign ip numbers, I have In my /etc/rc.d/rc.local snip ifconfig eth0:0 192.168.1.5 ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.1.6 ifconfig eth0:2 192.168.1.7 (Note:Replace 'eth' accordingly, depending on your Network Card) Then, in your forward named (BIND) database, snip learn IN A 192.168.1.5 manual IN A 192.168.1.6 testIN A 192.168.1.7 Ensure to configure reverse named (BIND) database, too, namely: snip 5INPTRlearn.noy.com.au. 6INPTRmanual.noy.com.au. 7INPTRtest.noy.com.au. And, in your httpd.conf, VirtualHost learn.noy.com.au ServerAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] DocumentRoot /home3/noy.com.au/learn ServerName learn.noy.com.au Errorlog /home3/noy.com.au/learn/logs/error_log TransferLog /home3/noy.com.au/learn/logs/access_log Files ~ ^\.ht .inc Order allow,deny Deny from all Satisfy All /Files /VirtualHost # VirtualHost manual.noy.com.au ServerAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] DocumentRoot /home3/noy.com.au/manual ServerName manual.noy.com.au Errorlog /home3/noy.com.au/manual/logs/error_log TransferLog /home3/noy.com.au/manual/logs/access_log Files ~ ^\.ht .inc Order allow,deny Deny from all Satisfy All /Files /VirtualHost # VirtualHost test.noy.com.au ServerAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] DocumentRoot /home3/noy.com.au/test ServerName test.noy.com.au Errorlog /home3/noy.com.au/test/logs/error_log TransferLog /home3/noy.com.au/test/logs/access_log Files ~ ^\.ht .inc Order allow,deny Deny from all Satisfy All /Files /VirtualHost Have some fun. http://www.acay.com.au/~oscarp/disclaimer.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] xmms problems with multiple users
Thanks for the suggestions I tried both of your ideas with no success. /sbin/fuser -v /dev/dsp returned no output and cat /dev/urandom /dev/dsp issued white noise, but I knew that root and user 1 could play sounds so the sound card is OK. Distro - RedHat 8.0 Added users to audio group and chowned :audio /dev/dsp. Still no luck. Have removed/reinstalled xmms hoping that there might have been a conflict with later installations of mplayer and Xine. Still no luck. Laurie On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, Chris Deigan wrote: Laurie Savage wrote: xmms works perfectly for root and user 1. Users 2, 3, 4 on the same machine cannot use it. Error message mixer being used by another applcation, check permissions ... /dev/mixer is u+rw user1:root /dev/dsp is probably what's being used -- try fuser -v /dev/dsp I believe the idea is that /dev/mixer inherits the user who last used it but should set to the next user invoking it - that's how I interpret the documentation and Howtos. What distro are you running, if debian, add the user to the 'audio' group. Another test is, cat /dev/urandom /dev/dsp - Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Apache vhost logs and file descriptors limits: individuallogs vssingle log
** Reply to note from Oscar Plameras [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:33:12 +1000 There is a way around. You can have separate log files for each virtual host. Assign ip number for each virtual host. You may also need encryption between your server and clients for security, in these times when users have snippers, tcpdump, and ethereal. So, ip numbers for each virtual host is a must. thanks, Oscar all these are name based vhosts, and I don't have spare IP addresses to asign to them. I'm just trying to scertain whether I should run individual vhost logs vs a single log for all vhosts, from the perpective of file handles use. Voytek Eymont -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] UPS for Linux environment
Can anyone recommend a UPS for a linux environment? I suggest to check this, http://www.acay.com.au/~oscarp/howto/UPS-HOWTO -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] frontpage extensions
- Original Message - From: Adam Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:29 PM Subject: [SLUG] frontpage extensions Hi All, Does anyone know how to recreate all of the frontpage extensions on a single website? I have frontpage installed and working, however I have a couple of sites that seems to have lost the frontpage directories and files and I am getting errors when trying to use frontpage to connect to the site. I am hoping that there is some way of running frontpage over the directory to have it recreate the files it needs. Frontpage? I assume you're running FP in WINE, right? Muskie -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] frontpage extensions
Hi All, Does anyone know how to recreate all of the frontpage extensions on a single website? I have frontpage installed and working, however I have a couple of sites that seems to have lost the frontpage directories and files and I am getting errors when trying to use frontpage to connect to the site. I am hoping that there is some way of running frontpage over the directory to have it recreate the files it needs. Frontpage? I assume you're running FP in WINE, right? Muskie I think he meant using frontpage extensions, on an apache server... is this right? The only way I can think to restore the extensions (apart from manually creating all the directories and setting the correct permissions, and then populating them) is to do a backup of your site's content, and re-create the site (web in FP lingo) with Frontpage. If you're on a virtual hosting platform (Ensim or C-Panel etc) then you may need to re-create the virtual site, activating FP extensions again. Hope this helps cheers Michael -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Apache vhost logs and file descriptors limits: individuallogs vssingle log
If you're worried, then why not just go ahead and set up so that you log to a single file and then split from there. split-logfile comes with apache for this purpose. http://httpd.apache.org/docs/programs/other.html Andrew On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Voytek Eymont wrote: Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:53:23 From: Voytek Eymont [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Apache vhost logs and file descriptors limits: individual logs vssingle log ** Reply to note from Oscar Plameras [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:33:12 +1000 There is a way around. You can have separate log files for each virtual host. Assign ip number for each virtual host. You may also need encryption between your server and clients for security, in these times when users have snippers, tcpdump, and ethereal. So, ip numbers for each virtual host is a must. thanks, Oscar all these are name based vhosts, and I don't have spare IP addresses to asign to them. I'm just trying to scertain whether I should run individual vhost logs vs a single log for all vhosts, from the perpective of file handles use. Voytek Eymont -- No added Sugar. Not tested on animals. May contain traces of Nuts. If irritation occurs, discontinue use. --- Andrew McNaughton In Sydney Working on a Product Recommender System [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: +61 422 753 792 http://staff.scoop.co.nz/andrew/cv.doc -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] UPS for Linux environment
Can anyone recommend a UPS for a linux environment? http://www.acay.com.au/~oscarp/howto/UPS-HOWTO Also depends a bit on your distro. Red Hat comes with NUT, so using a UPS supported by NUT would make some sense if you use Red Hat Linux. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Freebie: Running Linux, 3rd Edition
Hi, I have two copies of O'Reilly's Running Linux, 3rd Edition that need a good home. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/runux3/ Note, that there is a 4th edition of this book available, so presumably these copies are a little out of date. None the less, they look like an excellent beginners guide to running Linux on a day to day basis. Both books are new, although one is slightly damaged. Please email me directly if you want one. First in best dressed. -- Horms -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Apache vhost logs and file descriptors limits:individuallogs vssingle log
There is a way around. You can have separate log files for each virtual host. Assign ip number for each virtual host. You may also need encryption between your server and clients for security, in these times when users have snippers, tcpdump, and ethereal. So, ip numbers for each virtual host is a must. thanks, Oscar all these are name based vhosts, and I don't have spare IP addresses to asign to them. I'm just trying to scertain whether I should run individual vhost logs vs a single log for all vhosts, from the perpective of file handles use. Voytek Eymont Can't you use the CustomLog and ErrorLog directives inside the VirtualHost container? VirtualHost IP Address Other Stuff CustomLog /real/path/to/virtual/host/access_log combined ErrorLog /real/path/to/virtual/host/error_log More Stuff /VirtualHost cheers Michael -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] ldconfig failure
G'day, I'm using woody and I got an error while trying to execute this command: chroot /chroot/named /sbin/ldconfig -v This is the error that my terminal gave me: chroot: cannot execute usr/sbin/ldconfig: No such file or directory While the 'ldconfig' file is right in my sbin folder. Even I can directly execute 'ldconfig --version' in my terminal. Any suggestions and help would appreciate. Thanks, Phillip. __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] ldconfig failure
G'day, I'm using woody and I got an error while trying to execute this command: chroot /chroot/named /sbin/ldconfig -v This is the error that my terminal gave me: chroot: cannot execute usr/sbin/ldconfig: No such file or directory While the 'ldconfig' file is right in my sbin folder. Even I can directly execute 'ldconfig --version' in my terminal. Any suggestions and help would appreciate. Thanks, Phillip. isn't the command mant to reside in the chroot? meaning that there would need to be a copy of ldconfig in the physical location of /chroot/named/sbin/ instead of /sbin/ ? I thought once you gave chroot the 'new root' it would look under that for any extra commands. just a thought cheers Michael -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] problem about sendmail relaying
I have a system running sendmail that is behind a WINGATE which is also a SMTP Server, On the outside of the WINGATE is internet and intranet is behind the WINGATE. How can I send an email through internet (from Client -- Sendmail Server -- Wingate (SMTP server)-- internet)? Thank you for your help. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] aunic whois 24 hours blacklist on my web server
I just tried to run a whois on a com.au domain, and, what I got was: --- [echidna-]whois aname.com.au BLACKLISTED: You have exceeded the query limit for your IP address and have been blacklisted. This restriction will be removed in 24 hours. %%% End of referred query result --- it 's only on 'com.au' domains I get that, other whois servers reply OK this whois was executed from my web/mail/dns server, there are no shell users (apart from me, infequently). today was 1st time in days if not weeks that I executed whois I guess it's implying there is some recurrent whois queries running from a web user ?? perplexed. Voytek Eymont -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] problem about sendmail relaying
I have a system running sendmail that is behind a WINGATE which is also a SMTP Server, On the outside of the WINGATE is internet and intranet is behind the WINGATE. How can I send an email through internet (from Client -- Sendmail Server -- Wingate (SMTP server)-- internet)? Thank you for your help. -- Im' not that familiar with Wingate, in fact I didn't know it came with a built in SMTP server. You should probably disable Wingate's SMTP function (unless it does something other than forward mail for your network, like virus scanning etc) and only run with the one MTA (Sendmail). Check the WinGate manuals and/or website for info. Then add an access-list to Wingate allowing connections from your Sendmail server to the outside world (port 25). Note, this would also mean having to allow access to you sendmail server via port 25 to the internet, if you want to receive mail. hope this helps cheers Michael -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] aunic whois 24 hours blacklist on my web server
I just tried to run a whois on a com.au domain, and, what I got was: --- [echidna-]whois aname.com.au BLACKLISTED: You have exceeded the query limit for your IP address and have been blacklisted. This restriction will be removed in 24 hours. %%% End of referred query result --- it 's only on 'com.au' domains I get that, other whois servers reply OK this whois was executed from my web/mail/dns server, there are no shell users (apart from me, infequently). today was 1st time in days if not weeks that I executed whois I guess it's implying there is some recurrent whois queries running from a web user ?? perplexed. Voytek Eymont -- heh :) I get this all the time... I'm on Optarse dialup. I'm guessing that they blacklist a block of IPs instead of individuals, to make sure us 'bandwidth challenged' folk can't disconnect and get a new IP. Have you tried using some sort of anonymous whois website? cheers Michael -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] aunic whois 24 hours blacklist on my web server
I think the query limit is 20/hr from any single IP address, it is to prevent mining of the whois db. Brett Voytek Eymont wrote: I just tried to run a whois on a com.au domain, and, what I got was: --- [echidna-]whois aname.com.au BLACKLISTED: You have exceeded the query limit for your IP address and have been blacklisted. This restriction will be removed in 24 hours. %%% End of referred query result --- it 's only on 'com.au' domains I get that, other whois servers reply OK this whois was executed from my web/mail/dns server, there are no shell users (apart from me, infequently). today was 1st time in days if not weeks that I executed whois I guess it's implying there is some recurrent whois queries running from a web user ?? perplexed. Voytek Eymont -- Brett Fenton General Manager NetRegistry Pty Ltd ___ http://www.netregistry.com.au/ Tel: +61 2 96996099 | Fax: +61 2 96996088 PO Box 270 Broadway | NSW 2007, Australia Your Total Internet Business Services Provider Trusted by 10,000s of Oz Businesses Since 1997 This email is from NetRegistry Pty Ltd. The contents of this message are commercial and in confidence to the intended addresseee. The message may contain copyrighted and/or legally priviledged information. No person or entity other than the intended recipient may read, print or store this message, including any and all attached files. The intended recipient may not forward this message to any third party without express written permission from NetRegistry Pty Ltd. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] aunic whois 24 hours blacklist on my web server
** Reply to note from Michael Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:12:53 +1000 heh :) I get this all the time... I'm on Optarse dialup. I'm guessing that they blacklist a block of IPs instead of individuals, to make sure us 'bandwidth challenged' folk can't disconnect and get a new IP. Have you tried using some sort of anonymous whois website? I see. I never came across it before. no, as I can run whois OK from the workstation I'm on, it's just from the web server that I couldn't Voytek Eymont -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] aunic whois 24 hours blacklist on my web server
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 03:05:16PM +, Voytek Eymont wrote: I just tried to run a whois on a com.au domain, and, what I got was: --- [echidna-]whois aname.com.au BLACKLISTED: You have exceeded the query limit for your IP address and have been blacklisted. This restriction will be removed in 24 hours. %%% End of referred query result It looks to me like whois.aunic.net is having troubles with it's IP blacklisting - it's giving me the same result, and I've certainly not been doing many whois queries in the past day or so (and I'm on a fixed IP, so it's not a dynamic IP problem). If you ask whois.ausregistry.net.au directly you get the info OK, so I'd just do that and ignore aunic (for com.au enquiries, anyway). I guess whois should be patched to ask ausregistry for .com.au domains... - Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
