Re: [SLUG] Copies of MDK 10? Found :)
5.30 at central sounds good. Wear a SLUG hat :) Michael F. wrote: I am out of work at 4:50 usually.. And on my way home... Mind you trains being what they are makes things difficult.. I am usually at central station around 5:20-5:30pm.. You could probably meet me at central station in the afternoon :) I am downloading those iso images now too :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Cohen Sent: Friday, 12 March 2004 3:46 PM To: Sydney Linux User Group Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copies of MDK 10? Found :) Michael Fox wrote: Yep, that's it. Any chance you could burn a copy?... Yes, I am happy to download these starting from tonight when I get home, and then burn them onto 3 discs. I can bring them to work on Monday, I work in North Sydney, so if you want to arrange to come over. Drop us a email over the weekend etc. Just bring 3 blank discs with you and we can do a nice trade. Offer open to anyone else who wishes to obtain these discs. I also download images of other distributions from time to time. If I ever make a slug meeting in the near future, will be happy to bring them along from time to time. Cheers What time do you finish work? I live and work in Zetland, but I could probably get to North Syd by 5.30 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html __ NOD32 1.661 (20040311) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] The 'Linux doesn't get 'viruses' myth (was: A valid analogy.)
How about: That viruses 'don't affect Linux' is in the eye of the beholder, and can be regarded in many cases as an outright lie? An outright lie in the cases of someone who refers to various worms that affect Windows machines (eg, much of the stuff you've been hearing about recently) as 'viruses' and then tells others that Linux doesn't get such 'viruses'. If viruses includes worms (and by popular definition, it does), then Linux has many worms in the wild that attack it, such as ramen, adore, etc. The only truth of the matter is that Linux gets *many fewer* 'viruses' because: * New files created on a Unix system cannot be executable * More secure defaults (more ports blocked off by default, default users not having root privileges) * A general culture of technical awareness amongst its users * Its less popular than Windows (not a main reason, but this is true). And prolly a few answers I can't think of. People only do Linux a disservice when they know the difference between viruses and worms, and know that the user is asking about both, yet refuse to answer the question the user thinks they asked... Mike -- __ Mike MacCana ConsultantRHCX, MCSE, MCP+I 0419 394 504 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] A valid analogy.
On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 19:44, Sean Cohen wrote: Conversely, Linux gives you the choice of a thousand different customised cars, tough as a tank, with a full set of manuals, free access to spare parts for the rest of your life, The number of choices of Linux is a good thing? Personally I think that we should be standing behind a few. I am glad that IBM did not roll their own because it would not have helped but confused things further. The spare parts are free but you have to read a manual in Swahili to use them. I think it was ESR that raised this recently about cups configuration. -- Thanks KenF OpenOffice.org developer -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] A valid analogy.
By far the biggest problem is not Windows as such, but the default settings in Outlook and Outlook Express. I'm always amazed that MS has done such an amazing job of having the media report A New Computer Virus! when it's actually A New Microsoft Outlook Virus! Sticking with your approach, I'd exxagerate the analogy a little. Tell them that Windows is a Kia, but it's hermetically sealed and is impossible to crack open and fix. Ever. And they only sell one model. Conversely, Linux gives you the choice of a thousand different customised cars, tough as a tank, with a full set of manuals, free access to spare parts for the rest of your life, the dashboard of a batmobile, and they can fly. And they run on air instead of petrol, so those nasty, petrol-borne problems don't even touch you. There are, however, some air viruses, but they are few and far between, and only affect some particular tanks, not all of them. And the Windows/Kia leaves the doors unlocked by default, whereas your Linux Tank is surrounded by armed guards by default. On top of all that, you can strip your tank down to a skateboard, or hot it up to a 747. Bill Bennett wrote: It's a peculiar request, so please bear with me. I had been asked why Linux was immune to the wave of viruses that have been pillaging Microsoft-oriented machines. To be honest, I didn't have a ready reply. The best I could do was Well, Linux is differently organised. Feeble, I know, but the enquirer was not a nurd and, if it comes to that, neither am I. So I thought about the matter. I wanted a good analogy. This was the best that came to mind: Assume someone has put something in your petrol that rots piston heads and only piston heads. Eventually the engine will fail. *However* it's not going to affect me if my engine is a Wenkel. As I say, the best I could do. Can anyone do better? The issue *must* have surfaced in the past and valid analogies must have been drawn for the non-technical. My reason for wanting this is that, occasionally I'm asked why I will not even look at, or consider going back to MS. Blinding people with technicalia generally gets you nowhere. Bill Bennett. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] The 'Linux doesn't get 'viruses' myth (was: A valid analogy.)
This one time, at band camp, Mike MacCana wrote: The only truth of the matter is that Linux gets *many fewer* 'viruses' because: [snip] * Its less popular than Windows (not a main reason, but this is true). Actually this is almost the only reason! All this shit about root privileges and all that, sure but there are exploits around that kind of thing. The real reason is simple: why go for a difficult target when at best you'll infect a few thousand machines. Instead, go for the easy, completely unprotected targets and infect hundreds of thousands. -- Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rumble.net I've got nothing against any Viet Cong. - Muhammed Ali in refusing to register for the draft -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] The 'Linux doesn't get 'viruses' myth (was: A valid analogy.)
On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 08:39:14AM +, Rev Simon Rumble wrote: This one time, at band camp, Mike MacCana wrote: The only truth of the matter is that Linux gets *many fewer* 'viruses' because: [snip] * Its less popular than Windows (not a main reason, but this is true). Actually this is almost the only reason! All this shit about root privileges and all that, sure but there are exploits around that kind of thing. The real reason is simple: why go for a difficult target when at best you'll infect a few thousand machines. Instead, go for the easy, completely unprotected targets and infect hundreds of thousands. Even if Linux/Unix systems were a majority, the infection rate would still be a lot lower, due to diversity of configurations within the Linux sphere. One of the dangers of category killers like Apache - everyone runs it. FTP and SMTP servers, on the other hand, are many and varied, so a worm that uses one of them isn't going to get anywhere *near* the infection level enjoyed by most Windows worms and viruses. - Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] rights of root from su
which did you use? su or su - su will give you root priviliges with your path su - will give you root with root's paths. Thank you very much.. this is now clear. I sort of relised that su did not change environment variables...but thought that if user had access to X --or modem-- root ought to as well. I did not understand the man page :-( Geoffrey -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] rights of root from su
Because of X authorisation (xauth). If you are the only using this box, do a 'xhost localhost' before su'ing. This will allow anyone on the local machine to connect. Yes, only I am only user, so this will be fine, but thank you for other note. Now I know what to look I think I can do it .. many thanks Geoffrey -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] temporary email addresses
or: email addresses with an expiry date. hi slugs, is there a way to generate email addresses, which have an expiry date. what i want to achieve is to use these email addresses for posting in news groups and for site registration. typical usecase: 1. want to register at a specific page, post in a newsgroup, ... 2. generate for this purpose an email address (web, console,...) 3. enter the address in the register form, from field, ... so, now there are two scenarios: in the case my mailserver receives a mail before the expiry date: 4a. my mail server (exim4) receives the email and forwards them to my local mail account. and after the expiry date: 4b. my mail server discard the messages or does not accept the mail (with a user unknown or like this). my current system uses (again thanks to the help of the list) exim4, amavis, procmail, and spam assassin (called by procmail). any suggestions for an tool which allows an easy integration into the system without changing the system too much? the email addresses dont have to be human readable, because i would use the just for site registration and stuff. TIA, gottfried -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] The 'Linux doesn't get 'viruses' myth (was: A valid analogy.)
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Matthew Palmer wrote: On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 08:39:14AM +, Rev Simon Rumble wrote: Actually this is almost the only reason! All this shit about root privileges and all that, sure but there are exploits around that kind of thing. The real reason is simple: why go for a difficult target when at best you'll infect a few thousand machines. Instead, go for the easy, completely unprotected targets and infect hundreds of thousands. Even if Linux/Unix systems were a majority, the infection rate would still be a lot lower, due to diversity of configurations within the Linux sphere. One of the dangers of category killers like Apache - everyone runs it. FTP and SMTP servers, on the other hand, are many and varied, Are they? I thought Sendmail had an ever greater share of mail servers than Apache HTTPd did web servers. wu-ftpd is quite popular too. Mike -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] A valid analogy.
On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 06:11:34PM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thusly: =+- Same thing; it's a Wankel rotary engine. Yes, it is. The point is that the engine runs without pistons. My reason for using this analogy was simply that one cannot damage a pistonless engine by putting something in the petrol that rots piston heads. Uh, considering the way the thread is going, perhaps I'd better enlarge somewhat on the subject. Firstly, those who asked me about Linux were not tech-heads/nurds/etc. Their definition of a virus would be anything that stops/hinders the computer. Very simplistic, I know, but there are many such people out there. They are not subscribers to SLUG, or, I imagine, any other common interest computer group. Secondly, any analogy (I'd still like one) will probably have to use a basic difference between Linux and MS-oriented machines. Some of the people I spoke to had been visited by the blaster (and other similar viruses); these were not E-mail borne. Yet Linux was immune to them. Thirdly, it now appears that I was wrong when I said Viruses don't affect Linux. So I'll amend it to If a virus *was* let loose on Linux, it would be stopped quicktime. In the past, when I've posted a query (vim/LaTeX/others) I've been amazed at the response time (in some cases minutes) *and* the responses from disinterested people who have seen it before/have given the matter some thought/discussed it with a colleague and taken the time to post a response. And I imagine that viruses (no matter *how* they're defined) would fall into the same category. There's something else I should add that's drawn from my experience, although I don't want to start a flame war. If a solution/patch to any virus was posted and found to be defective (as happened with MS), an alternative/improved version would also make its appearance quicktime. (Generally with derisive commentary, but we don't live in an ideal world.) So, I like the burglar analogy so far: the situation with Linux and viruses/suchlike is analogous to turning up with an assortment of keys/bits of wire to burgle a house and finding yourself staring at a keypad. Regards, Bill Bennett. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] The 'Linux doesn't get 'viruses' myth (was: A valid analogy.)
On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 08:41:16PM +1100, Mike MacCana wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Matthew Palmer wrote: On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 08:39:14AM +, Rev Simon Rumble wrote: Actually this is almost the only reason! All this shit about root privileges and all that, sure but there are exploits around that kind of thing. The real reason is simple: why go for a difficult target when at best you'll infect a few thousand machines. Instead, go for the easy, completely unprotected targets and infect hundreds of thousands. Even if Linux/Unix systems were a majority, the infection rate would still be a lot lower, due to diversity of configurations within the Linux sphere. One of the dangers of category killers like Apache - everyone runs it. FTP and SMTP servers, on the other hand, are many and varied, Are they? I thought Sendmail had an ever greater share of mail servers than Apache HTTPd did web servers. wu-ftpd is quite popular too. A few years ago, certainly. These days, I come across postfix and qmail setups (and bloody windows IMail) more often than I see sendmail. No doubt it's still quite popular, but I don't think sendmail would have the same share of mail servers as Apache has of web servers. And as for FTP servers, I don't interact with them much any more, but I don't think I've seen a wu-ftpd in a while. And anyone who runs it gets what's coming to them. g - Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] A valid analogy.
Ken Foskey wrote: On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 19:44, Sean Cohen wrote: Conversely, Linux gives you the choice of a thousand different customised cars, tough as a tank, with a full set of manuals, free access to spare parts for the rest of your life, The number of choices of Linux is a good thing? Personally I think that we should be standing behind a few. I am glad that IBM did not roll their own because it would not have helped but confused things further. The spare parts are free but you have to read a manual in Swahili to use them. I think it was ESR that raised this recently about cups configuration. This is an argument I always hear, and I always disagree with. There are so many distributions simply /because/ of the nature of open source. If someone has an idea, they fork a project, or start a new one. The fit survive, and the rest die out. In terms of evolution, there are constantly hundreds of new mutations, but only the fit survive. Witness the success of gentoo, and the stuttered development of (say) sourcerer. It's also how innovation happens, if someone can't get their idea incorporated into an existing project then they can just start their own. If they are successful then they'll either succeed or be reincorporated into something more mainstream. Think back to the gcc vs egcs debacle. Back then it was a big controversy, but in hindsight we can easily see it as a necessary step to push forward a halted project. There will always be a few big distros for the masses (suitable for Aunt Tillie, as ESR loves to say) and they will always walk the straight and narrow, stabilising themselves for the long term. But the real innovation - As with Linux itself - will come from the sidelines, and will become mainstream based on their success. The Big Three/Four/Whatever distros will make sure everything works together. Also, what ESR failed to note in that analysis of CUPS was that he was setting it up on a Fedora Core 1 system. FC1 - from its RHL roots - has a corporate desktop heritage, and as such is supposed to administrated by qualified personnel. Had he tested a Mandrake, Xandros, Lindows, etc. system then the results would have been quite different. Remember, there are three responsibilities of a distribution: 1) Installation, 2) Default Settings, and 3) Configuration. and it was points (2) and (3) that were relevant to what ESR was trying to do. It wasn't easy on a FC1 system because it's not designed for easy desktop administration. Anyway, rant over. I'm tired. Have a good weekend. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] A valid analogy.
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:57:13 +1100 Ken Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The number of choices of Linux is a good thing? It's a good thing to avoid a virus plague. It's not necessarily a good thing for linux's popularity. Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] temporary email addresses
Hi Gottfried, On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 08:32:01PM +1100, Gottfried Szing wrote: is there a way to generate email addresses, which have an expiry date. what i want to achieve is to use these email addresses for posting in news groups and for site registration. I know of a couple of qmail solutions that should be generalisable to other environments + toolchains: http://jclement.ca/software/datedmail.py/ http://www.palomine.net/qdated/ I've also seen per-sender-encoded addresses which are similar, but can't lay my hands on a link at the moment. Cheers, Gavin -- Open Fusion P/L - Open Source Business Solutions [ Linux - Perl - Apache ] ph: 02 9875 5032fax: 02 9875 4317 web: http://www.openfusion.com.aumob: 0403 171712 - Fashion is a variable, but style is a constant - Programming Perl -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] A valid analogy.
On Fri, Mar 12, 2004, Bill Bennett wrote: I had been asked why Linux was immune to the wave of viruses that have been pillaging Microsoft-oriented machines. To be honest, I didn't have a ready reply. My opinion is that it's not. It's immune to those particular viruses, just like humans are largely immune to whatever nasty epidemics are plagueing the fish world at the moment. But it is not in principle immune to the type of viruses plaguing Windows machines at the moment. As best I can tell, the usual Linux-virus argument goes Linux users don't normally login with privileges that would let a virus ruin their machine! The trouble is, most well-known Windows viruses these days don't ruin machines either. They abuse network resources, and your bog-standard unprivileged Linux user normally also has enough privileges to abuse network resources. The current set of viruses require: 1) privileges to read your web cache and address book 2) privileges to send email 3) privileges to install Well, most Linux users could give a virus 1 and 2, should it infect their machine. At present 3 would require user intervention on most mail clients, but there's no in principle problem with installing programs as a regular user. People do it all the time, for perfectly legitmate reasons. And some Windows viruses still also require user intervention for 3, although they avoid it if they can, but that doesn't mean those viruses don't spread. In practice, it may be that user-level Free Software tools that normally run on Linux machines are designed with a little more caution (OK, let's assume that someone wanted to wrek havoc using this software and this nifty new feature -- what could they do? rather than the let's assume that a benevolent person wants maximum flexibility -- what do they want?). However, I can't honestly see an argument that Linux is actually *immune* to the type of network resource-abusing viruses that are the common and costly ones around today. Particular software may or may not be more or less vulnerable. -Mary -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] A valid analogy.
Mary Gardiner wrote: Well, most Linux users could give a virus 1 and 2, should it infect their machine. At present 3 would require user intervention on most mail clients, but there's no in principle problem with installing programs as a regular user. People do it all the time, for perfectly legitmate reasons. And some Windows viruses still also require user intervention for 3, although they avoid it if they can, but that doesn't mean those viruses don't spread. I agree with you entirely Mary. Also note that for some of these recent Bagle and netsky variants, the user has to read the email, open the zip file, enter the password from the body of the message in the zip file, then double click the exe file inside the zip file! it really only proves people are pretty dumb. I reckon if I wrote a virus that attached a password protected zip file with the subject hey check out this virus I wrote, people would still open it! dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] rights of root from su
At Fri, 12 Mar 2004 14:35:31 +1100, mlh wrote: On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 02:30:12PM +1100, Geoffrey Cowling wrote: Xlib: connection to :0.0 refused by server Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server ./setup: cannot connect to X server :0 so I have to logout as user and login as root on X11... Because of X authorisation (xauth). If you are the only using this box, do a 'xhost localhost' before su'ing. This will allow anyone on the local machine to connect. For the special case of root (since root can read everyone's files), you're better off doing as others have suggested and setting XAUTHORITY to the relevant user's .Xauthority file. If your gaining root process doesn't change $HOME (eg sudo without -H, su with -m or -p), then it should find the right .Xauthority file ok anyway. -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Small Business File/Job Management Solution?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Danger! Danger! Will Robinson another engineering dude maintaining I.T whilst completing their normal job description ;-) I have several engineering clients like this and it has been fun cleaning up a huge mess. :) I feel we do quite an excellent job with what we have and the time avaliable (all outside work hours and limited hardware), alot of small firms cannot justify the cost for hiring a fully qualified IT person, even for a short term (casual basis), especially since alot of IT profs cost equivalent to an experienced aero engineer. FYI we also designed and maintain our own website, maintain all remotely hosted email and domain records. I think you will get very vague views on what you can do in getting a solution as IMHO this is most slug member's life blood. It's like us asking your group for an engeering solution for free. You would be very surprised - we are happy to provide free advice and direction, even if it won't necessarily lead to a job. This is very common in such a small closely knit industry. I am trying to learn of solutions that may be available for my problem which i will implement. I am not asking someone to provide the solution. We (standard discalimer applies) are more than happy providing Linux support and help with software related with Linux. If you have a direction and know of a possible solution that you want to implement we may have some people who have experience in resolving some configurational problems you may come across. I hope I have not jumped on anyone's toes here. As most of slug subscribers are aware I am more than happy in providing free help to Linux problems when I know of a solution. not my toes!! thanks for your time gerard -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Small Business File/Job Management Solution?
If you are really strapped for cash I would suggest getting a nice PC, plenty of hard drive space, put Linux on it, mySQL, Apache, PHP (or mod PERL if you have a programmer), and also think about putting released CAD drawings separate from completed CAD work. Yes that seems like the option i would like to start with, it would be cheap enough so i would not have to take a pay reduction to implement it.!! Having all data stored on a central server would be the first step, even if this would create some issues with file accessibilty speed, the option of each user copying the relevant file to their pc then working on it and then recopy to the server may have to suffice until either a file sychro software system or gigabit lan is installed! Upon completion of this then we can think about utilizing one of the database packages - deal with that when we get there! Thankyou for those who spent their valuable time replying. Jill, Phil, Peter, Ben, Chris, Ken, Piers and Hercacles! I am very grateful. gerard - Aeronautical Design Engineer Gerard Blacklock Auto Avia Design P/L Ph. 61 2 9791 0164 Fax 61 2 9791 0175 http://www.autoavia.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] New Money-Management Software Option
Hey, Kurush is a new proggie that might end up replacing Gnucash as the money management software of choice. Seems Gnucash is lagging pretty badly these days (often being the only program distros are shipping that requires the 1.x GNOME stack), so a new contender is pretty welcome. Controversially, it's based on Mono. Hmm. :-) http://www.ercansoy.com/kurush/ - Jeff -- GVADEC 2004: Kristiansand, Norwayhttp://2004.guadec.org/ What's up with that word though... it's like something you did to frogs in grammar school. - Ani DiFranco on bisexuality -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Small Business File/Job Management Solution?
Gerard Blacklock wrote: If you are really strapped for cash I would suggest getting a nice PC, plenty of hard drive space, put Linux on it, mySQL, Apache, PHP (or mod PERL if you have a programmer), and also think about putting released CAD drawings separate from completed CAD work. Yes that seems like the option i would like to start with, it would be cheap enough so i would not have to take a pay reduction to implement it.!! Having all data stored on a central server would be the first step, even if this would create some issues with file accessibilty speed, the option of each user copying the relevant file to their pc then working on it and then recopy to the server may have to suffice until either a file sychro software system or gigabit lan is installed! Upon completion of this then we can think about utilizing one of the database packages - deal with that when we get there! Thankyou for those who spent their valuable time replying. Jill, Phil, Peter, Ben, Chris, Ken, Piers and Hercacles! I am very grateful. gerard No worries!!! :) Central storage means it would be easy to play with permissions to allow users access to files when requested (particularly on *nix of course), at the same time locking it from others changing it. This would then force users to use the system to get access to any file or update any file. Have fun!! Fil -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] temporary email addresses
hi is there a way to generate email addresses, which have an expiry date. what i want to achieve is to use these email addresses for posting in news groups and for site registration. I know of a couple of qmail solutions that should be generalisable to other environments + toolchains: http://jclement.ca/software/datedmail.py/ http://www.palomine.net/qdated/ i think it should be possible to use qdated with my current procmail configuration. changing the exim4 config is not really something i do every day. and when i touch something, it also took me days to put it straight. basically it should be possible to call the qdated-check from procmail and check the exit code, which should be 100 if the mail is outdated. but: there is still the problem that exim has to accept email addresses like realuser[EMAIL PROTECTED], which means it has to do a wildcard lookup. i hope i can figure out how this can be configured, but till now no idea. thanks for the ideas, gottfried -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] A valid analogy.
One mistake: its a wank (el) not a wenk. On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 01:24 am, Bill Bennett wrote: It's a peculiar request, so please bear with me. I had been asked why Linux was immune to the wave of viruses that have been pillaging Microsoft-oriented machines. To be honest, I didn't have a ready reply. The best I could do was Well, Linux is differently organised. Feeble, I know, but the enquirer was not a nurd and, if it comes to that, neither am I. So I thought about the matter. I wanted a good analogy. This was the best that came to mind: Assume someone has put something in your petrol that rots piston heads and only piston heads. Eventually the engine will fail. *However* it's not going to affect me if my engine is a Wenkel. As I say, the best I could do. Can anyone do better? The issue *must* have surfaced in the past and valid analogies must have been drawn for the non-technical. My reason for wanting this is that, occasionally I'm asked why I will not even look at, or consider going back to MS. Blinding people with technicalia generally gets you nowhere. Bill Bennett. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] A valid analogy.
On another list I made the analogy of using W$ being like driving a Ferrari, and parking it in Harlem with the keys left in it... Doug On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 02:35 am, Grant Parnell wrote: How about this one... It's like entering a house through the door: Windows OS has key locks, most virii use some variation of a lock picker. Unix/Linux OS have numeric key pads, a lock picker is completely useless, you have to use something else to break in. In both cases you can still stand in front of the door and not let people in or out. Or simply walk in if somebody leaves the door open. With Unix/Linux, once you're in you find other doors locked in various ways depending on importance. On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Bill Bennett wrote: It's a peculiar request, so please bear with me. I had been asked why Linux was immune to the wave of viruses that have been pillaging Microsoft-oriented machines. To be honest, I didn't have a ready reply. The best I could do was Well, Linux is differently organised. Feeble, I know, but the enquirer was not a nurd and, if it comes to that, neither am I. So I thought about the matter. I wanted a good analogy. This was the best that came to mind: Assume someone has put something in your petrol that rots piston heads and only piston heads. Eventually the engine will fail. *However* it's not going to affect me if my engine is a Wenkel. As I say, the best I could do. Can anyone do better? The issue *must* have surfaced in the past and valid analogies must have been drawn for the non-technical. My reason for wanting this is that, occasionally I'm asked why I will not even look at, or consider going back to MS. Blinding people with technicalia generally gets you nowhere. Bill Bennett. -- ---GRiP--- Electronic Hobbyist, Former Arcadia BBS nut, Occasional nudist, Linux Guru, SLUG/AUUG/Linux Australia member, Sydney Flashmobber, BMX rider, Walker, Raver rave music lover, Big kid that refuses to grow up. I'd make a good family pet, take me home today! Do people actually read these things? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Committee meeting minutes: march 2004
Hi everyone, Here are the minutes of the March 2004 SLUG committee meeting. Please discuss on the activities list. These and previous committee meeting minutes are available at http://www.slug.org.au/minutes/ --- Committee meeting minutes March 2004 --- Meeting open, 7:03pm, 5th March 2004 Present: Chris Deigan, Mary Gardiner (minutes), Peter Hardy, Jaime Hemmett, Michael Kortvelyesy, Jan Schmidt (chair), Jamie Wilkinson Apologies: Ben Leslie 1. General business 1. Direct deposit Jamie to chase up the availability of direct deposit into our bank account. 2. Video Jan has bought DVDs to store SLUG video on. He will try and make at least the audio available at one per week. Stamping the audio and video with copyright information was discussed, either by inserting a copyright notice as an audio segment or putting the notice in the meta-data comments. We discussed various ways of distributing the data: * Chris mentioned that PIPE Networks might be willing to mirror SLUG audio and video for users connected to PIPE. * We could ask interested people to email us * We could host it for members only * We could take advantage of bandwidth available to some SLUG members in the US 3. Urn Jan and Jaime will purchase an urn capable of holding 20 cups. 4. Campbell's Cash and Carry Card Jamie needs to report back on whether SLUG can get a Campbell's Cash and Carry card. 2. Review of recent events 1. Installfest The installfest was small, but some machines were installed. People turned up from outside SLUG. More notice would be better. The venue (Computerbank warehouse) was good but lacked air conditioning. 2. February monthly meeting No meeting muster was sent out, leaving the speakers a bit surprised at being videoed. No copyright forms were distributed to speakers, Jan and Jaime will add the forms to their meeting kit. Mary suggested that SLUGlets is not working in the 'tutorial' format as noone is willing to do the work to prepare a 45 minutes tutorial. Pete concurred and added that feedback on SLUGlets recently has been very negative. However, if we return to the variety show format, there needs to be a moderator to keep discussion at a level that won't lock most participants out. 3. Upcoming events 1. AGM The AGM is pretty much sorted. Jan and Jamie are confident that the President's and Treasurer's reports will be ready. We need to get the room confirmed for an announce by March 12. Michael mentioned that unemployed people might find the $25 membership fee steep. MOTION: That the membership for full-time students, unemployed people and healthcare card holders be reduced. The motion was CARRIED, and the 2004-2005 membership fee for full-time students, unemployed people and healthcare card holders will be set to $15 for the six months after the 2004 AGM (at which point it will halve to $7.50 as per the Constitution). Membership for all other members remains $25 ($12.50 six months after the AGM). 2. March monthly meeting Jeff Waugh is confirmed as the speaker after the AGM. Dinner will be at the House of Guang-Zhou. 3. April meeting Pete will do the preliminary organisation in April as Jan and Jaime will be away. We discussed potential talk topics: * Mike's bash tutorial * Jeff's Postfix talk * Chris on home wireless * Gus on emacs * a distro forum * an editor forum * intro to GNOME or KDE * What's new in GNOME 2.6? * What's new in latest KDE? * filesystems * doc authoring tools * Docbook * LaTeX * kernel 2.6 * zeroconf networking * OpenOffice * printing We decided to as Gus if he would be prepared to do an intro to emacs as the general talk, and Chris a talk on home wireless security as the special interest talk. 4. Next installfest 1. Date of next installfest A late March or early April installfest is possible in collaboration with the Sydney Uni Free Software Users Group 2. Installfests large
[SLUG] NFS mount on Debian Woody not working
1) mount -t nfs -va
returns
mount RPC:program not registered
a) the nfs's (3) that should be able to be mounted are already mounted
on two other systems.
b) I have run exportfs on the host and it shows that this boxen is okay
to mount the shares involved.
c) have reboot boxen.
Still head scratching.
System is debian Woody 2.4.16-386.
What have I missed?
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[SLUG] Re: [activities] Committee meeting minutes: march 2004
quote who=Mary Gardiner Mary suggested that SLUGlets is not working in the 'tutorial' format as noone is willing to do the work to prepare a 45 minutes tutorial. Pete concurred and added that feedback on SLUGlets recently has been very negative. However, if we return to the variety show format, there needs to be a moderator to keep discussion at a level that won't lock most participants out. Hey, I actually didn't know that there were a lack of tutorials, perhaps that could have been made more clear at the meeting or on the list? I have a few things that I could probably turn into tutorial-style talks, so let me know. :-) - Jeff -- GVADEC 2004: Kristiansand, Norwayhttp://2004.guadec.org/ I would hack on the file selector. But I think I would write like, 3 LOC for every 100 lines of mail I had to read/write. - James Willcox -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] NFS mount on Debian Woody not working
quote who=Terry Collins 1) mount -t nfs -va returns mount RPC:program not registered System is debian Woody 2.4.16-386. What have I missed? Do you have nfs-common installed? - Jeff -- GVADEC 2004: Kristiansand, Norwayhttp://2004.guadec.org/ It's not just a song! It's a document of my life! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] A valid analogy.
My take... 1: There are more WinXX exploits because there are more WinXX systems out there. This doesn't hold up. Recent figures I saw mentioned the figure of 64000 known windows exploits or viruses etc., many of which are non-trivial. On that basis there should be about 2000 Macintosh exploits etc around. In fact there are dramatically fewer than that, as any Mac user will tell you. I'm not aware of any significant, current Mac virus. I don't know how many Linux exploits/viruses are around, but again, dramatically fewer than the proportions should suggest. I've been on-line 24/7 for nearly 8 years and I've been cracked once, and that about 6 years ago. I am NOT a hard core geek. I just do basic installs. 2: Linux users are hard core geeks, that's why they don't get viruses. Doesn't hold up either. See note above about Macintosh! If any computer user is NOT a hard core geek it's a Mac user :-) 3: Windows exploits are only because of idiot windows users I'm sure GMH would be sued if it turned out the brakes required an automotive engineering degree before you could drive the car. It's perfectly reasonable to expect a system to be designed so that a typical user will not get burned. 4: Windows viruses are mostly Outlook viruses True. I always tell any Windows user to start by throwing away Outlook. That solves most of the problems. Eudora seems to work ok, although of course you can still get viruses if you do the wrong thing. 5: Windows viruses can be easily avoided by changing configuration True, but when the marketing department leads the security department around by the nose, you can be sure that disaster is close behind. If there is a choice of more secure or less secure configurations, and the default set up by the supplier is the insecure one, then I would suggest that the supplier is culpable. I'm amazed nobody has sued. It's not as if the problem is an obscure one. 6: I can't change from Windows.. everybody I know uses it. This is amazing but the most common reason I've been given for staying with Windows when viruses are discussed. I've survived perfectly well in a mixed Linux/Macintosh environment for years, despite all my customers and contacts using Windows. I just laugh when they get infected. 7: Are you SURE you don't get viruses? When you've been chronically sick for 10 years, it's hard to remember what it was like to be healthy. I just tell them no, I never get viruses. 8: The problem isn't really as bad as they say it is. I love to tail -f my logs when I have someone around saying this. It's interesting to see the look of incredulity as the various IIS or other WinXX exploits pop up on the logs in real time. I just say.. There's another one I don't have to worry about because I don't use Windows. David. On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Doug Foskey wrote: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:38:07 -0500 From: Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Grant Parnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] A valid analogy. On another list I made the analogy of using W$ being like driving a Ferrari, and parking it in Harlem with the keys left in it... Doug On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 02:35 am, Grant Parnell wrote: How about this one... It's like entering a house through the door: Windows OS has key locks, most virii use some variation of a lock picker. Unix/Linux OS have numeric key pads, a lock picker is completely useless, you have to use something else to break in. In both cases you can still stand in front of the door and not let people in or out. Or simply walk in if somebody leaves the door open. With Unix/Linux, once you're in you find other doors locked in various ways depending on importance. On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Bill Bennett wrote: It's a peculiar request, so please bear with me. I had been asked why Linux was immune to the wave of viruses that have been pillaging Microsoft-oriented machines. To be honest, I didn't have a ready reply. The best I could do was Well, Linux is differently organised. Feeble, I know, but the enquirer was not a nurd and, if it comes to that, neither am I. So I thought about the matter. I wanted a good analogy. This was the best that came to mind: Assume someone has put something in your petrol that rots piston heads and only piston heads. Eventually the engine will fail. *However* it's not going to affect me if my engine is a Wenkel. As I say, the best I could do. Can anyone do better? The issue *must* have surfaced in the past and valid analogies must have been drawn for the non-technical. My reason for wanting this is that, occasionally I'm asked why I will not even look at, or consider going back to MS. Blinding people with technicalia generally gets you nowhere. Bill Bennett. -- ---GRiP--- Electronic Hobbyist, Former Arcadia BBS nut, Occasional nudist, Linux Guru, SLUG/AUUG/Linux Australia member, Sydney Flashmobber, BMX
