[SLUG] scaling postscript files

2004-03-31 Thread James Gregory
Dear SLUG,

I have a ridiculously large postscript file that I'd link to shrink down
to print on an A4 page (mostly for entertainment value admittedly).
What's the easiest way to do this shrinking?

Thanks,

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[SLUG] Problem with X Window in Debian 3.0R2 Woody

2004-03-31 Thread Steven Chang-Lin Yu



Hi, I am new to 
Debian, I have been using RH and Mandrake for the past 4 years!!!  Just 
last week I got the 7 CDs of Debian 3.0R2 from UNSW, and installed fine in my 
P3-800.  However the XFree86 doesn't seems to want to work with my 
configuration, I have select NV for my Nvidia GeForce 2MX 32-MB Video Card, 
and enter my own H and V Frequency of my Viewsonic E70-3 17 inch 
monitor.
 
The error message 
out of Xfree86 is "Can't find the monitor", however just few line before it says 
moniter information is there, I have switch back to Mandrake 10 after trying 
everything for a week, as I really need linux for embedded system study.  
The other thing I notice is there seems to be no monitor information database in 
/var/X11/
there is no sub 
directory of "monitor" as state in the Xfree86 manual!!!
 
Sorry I should wrote 
down the acutally error message, however if anyone know what is the problem of 
this, pelease do tell me.  I really want to learn the linux from buttom 
up.
 
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Re: [SLUG] scaling postscript files

2004-03-31 Thread Michael Lake
James Gregory wrote:
Dear SLUG,

I have a ridiculously large postscript file that I'd link to shrink down
to print on an A4 page (mostly for entertainment value admittedly).
What's the easiest way to do this shrinking?
If you wish to reduce the entire page by 2 times add this line:

0.5 0.5 scale

Here is an example pulled from some playing that I did a while ago:
You can see where I have added a "2  2 scale" to double the size.
What is does is to change the scale of the deafult units that the 
PostScript uses.

%!PS-Adobe-1.0
%%DocumentFonts: (atend)
%%Title: Mikes Test File
%%Creator: Mike Lake
%%CreationDate: Tue Jul 25 21:05:45 EST 2000
%%Pages: (atend)
%%BoundingBox: (atend)
%%EndComments
/Times-Roman findfont 10 scalefont setfont
%%EndProlog
%%Page: 1 1
2 2 scale

%% Defines
/myCircle
{50 0 360 arc stroke} def
%Station positions
10 10 4 0 360 arc stroke
100   100 4 0 360 arc stroke
150   150 2 0 360 arc stroke
175   175 1 0 360 arc stroke
200 200 moveto 250 250 lineto stroke
%Station names
0 0 moveto (tatshawl.5) show
101   163 moveto (tatshawl.9) show
86   175 moveto (tatshawl.end) show
39166 moveto (tatshawl.lbranch.1) show
29518 moveto (tatshawl.lbranch.2) show
31450 moveto (tatshawl.lbranch.5) show
showpage
%%Trailer
%%DocumentFonts: Times-Roman
%%Pages: 1
%%BoundingBox: 0 0 595 842


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Re: [SLUG] scaling postscript files

2004-03-31 Thread Michael Lake
Michael Lake wrote:
James Gregory wrote:

Dear SLUG,

I have a ridiculously large postscript file that I'd link to shrink down
to print on an A4 page (mostly for entertainment value admittedly).
What's the easiest way to do this shrinking?
If you wish to reduce the entire page by 2 times add this line:
0.5 0.5 scale
Adendum. You can use your text editor of choice to make this change and 
at the same time have the file opened in GhostView or gv with 'watch 
file' on. When you save the file it will update. Good for making minor 
chanes and seeing the effect immediately. Something that Acrobat on 
windows can't do (though apps can tell its dll's to reload).

Mike
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Re: [SLUG] Is SATA a viable upgrade for aging Linux workstations?

2004-03-31 Thread Jeff Waugh


> I'm stuck at a crossroads right now. My main Athlon 1.2 Ghz workstation
> with a Promise UDMA5/100 controller is probably on its last legs before
> retirement (its given me 3 years of loyal service -- looking to squeeze
> out 2 more). Seeing as it needs a new harddrive anyway, I'm really
> wondering whether paying an extra $20-$25 per harddrive and an another $70
> for a Silicon Image Serial ATA Controller [1] is worth it. LKML posts also
> seem to give the general impression that overall SATA driver support under
> Linux is still preliminary.

I'm running 2 * 120GB SATA disks using Linux software RAID, on an el-cheap-o
Silicon Image controller and the Linux IDE subsystem siimage driver. Working
well so far, though I had to leave LILO for GRUB to get RAID1 booting going
correctly with SATA.

Sounds like "upgrading" to the SCSI subsystem's libata-based driver might be
a good idea though (and not a hard thing to do with software RAID - the
system won't care that my md0 is suddenly sda/sdc instead of hde/hdg).

- Jeff

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Re: [SLUG] NSW targets employers' email snooping

2004-03-31 Thread Heracles
On Tue, 2004-03-30 at 21:27, Howard Lowndes wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-03-30 at 20:43, James Gray wrote:
> > On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 04:38 pm, Howard Lowndes wrote:
> > *snipped*
> > > "Unless employers have a court order, they will need to give employees
> > > notice that surveillance will be conducted," he said.
> > >
> > > That could mean a warning box pops up when the computer is turned on.
> > 
> > We already have a pre-login message on our systems that basically says:
> > 
> > "You agree to adhere to the acceptable use policy.  You understand that 
> > anything and everything you do is logged and monitored and by logging into 
> > this system agree to allow this to occur.  If you don't like this, HR will 
> > be happy to receive your resignation."
> 
> add to this "...and archived..."
> 
> Mind you, the resignation bit might just land you in trouble,

This may seemreasonable in Howard's case, but would he be so keen to
enforce this in the case of employers who have outside agencies maintain
the networks. Would you like, for example a rival company monitoring
your email for you.
In our case the only people with access beyond basic restricted user
access are the company who maintain the network. The do not exclusively
work for the Dept of Education, but are the only ones with high enough
privaleges to monitor email - including confidential email between
counsellors. Do you want an outside agency reading your child's
confidential Psychological and Wealfare reports (Meant for your eyes
only)?

As I said before, might work in a situation where the IT support is
inhouse.

Stay well and Happy
Heracles


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Re: [SLUG] info on barebone laptos

2004-03-31 Thread Grant Parnell
On Tue, 30 Mar 2004, Simon Wong wrote:

> On Tue, 2004-03-30 at 09:53, Grant Parnell wrote:
> > Depends what you mean by barebone. The following examples are just with no 
> > operating system & no bundled software.
> > http://www.everythinglinux.com.au/cat/systems/laptops
> 
> What modems are in those laptops?

Can't remember exactly, but it did use the slmdm/slmodem driver. I think 
the sound want's ALSA so we didn't bother for the last customer (office 
desktop). LAN just works no prob - don't remember trying the wireless.

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Re: [SLUG] NSW targets employers' email snooping

2004-03-31 Thread Grant Parnell
On Tue, 30 Mar 2004, Howard Lowndes wrote:

> 
> I guess there are a few of out there that will be needing some legal
> opinions on this one and some re-defined acceptable practice
> conditions.  It looks like a minefield.
> 
> 
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1077250.htm
> 
> The New South Wales Government is moving to outlaw bosses spying on
> workers' emails, unless they have a court order to do so.

OK sounds like it's not going to stop cases where the employee signs a 
form stating that email belongs to the company and the company reserves 
the right to check email from time to time for the purpose of smooth 
running and non-business related email. I suggest medium to large 
businesses all get their employees to sign an internet access policy 
document.

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Re: [SLUG] Problem with X Window in Debian 3.0R2 Woody

2004-03-31 Thread Simon Wong
On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 20:26, Steven Chang-Lin Yu wrote:
> The error message out of Xfree86 is "Can't find the monitor", however
> just few line before it says moniter information is there, I have
> switch back to Mandrake 10 after trying everything for a week, as I

You should be able to use the X config file you have from your Mandrake
setup.  It's called XF86Config-4 and is located in /etc/X11 in Debian at
least, search for a file of that name.
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Re: [SLUG] NSW targets employers' email snooping

2004-03-31 Thread Grant Parnell
On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Benno wrote:

> Wow, I'm amazed at this `workers as slave' mentality people have.  I
> would not like to work in an office, or for a company, with such
> policies, it sounds like a depressing, draining, stressful environment
> to work in. (I'd wonder how productive/creative a bunch of stressed
> out and depressed emplooyees would be anyway.)
> 
> Does anyone on this list really want to work in this kind of environment?

No... but "Welcome to the Corporation" I suspect morale in government
would be worse still. Sorry for all you budding students with career
aspirations. The problem is in this day of insurance claims & everybody 
suing each other the corporate has to cater for the lowest common 
denominator of a large number of people and that sadly is "a lazy good for 
nothing scumbag who loves stirring up the unions and abusing their 
rights whilst being too stupid to have common sense". Sure no single 
person is all that (hopefully!).

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[SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread Jan Schmidt
Dear SLUG members,

After some lengthy negotiations, the Sydney Linux Users Group committee are
pleased to announce the availability of the SCO Intellectual Property License
for Linux at a reduced rate for SLUG members.

Ordinarily, these licenses are $699 for a uniprocessor server, and $199 per
Linux desktop. As a special benefit for SLUG members, the reduced rate of
$698 per server and $198 per desktop is now available.

As many of you know, SCO have recently revealed that several lines of SCO
header files appear to have leaked into the Linux kernel, giving them
ownership of the entire code base. As such, the SCO Intellectual Property 
License for Linux is now required in order to legally use a Linux system.

SLUG is very pleased to provide its members with the opportunity to become
SCOSource compliant, and the boss of SCO Australia and and New Zealand,
Kieran O'Shaughnessy, is reported to be "just this side of ecstatic" at the
opportunity to bring in some sales.

In order to assist SLUG members with taking advantage of this deal, we've
provided SCO Australia and New Zealand with a complete list of all our
members, and they'll be in touch with everyone soon!

Regards,
Jan Schmidt
SLUG President.

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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Thu, Apr 01, 2004, Jan Schmidt wrote:
> After some lengthy negotiations, the Sydney Linux Users Group
> committee are pleased to announce the availability of the SCO
> Intellectual Property License for Linux at a reduced rate for SLUG
> members.

As a former committee member, I'd like to distance myself from this
sell-out. I attended the first hour of the last committee meeting and
would like to emphasise that we discussed only things like putting
speaker slides on the website, and the format of the minutes.

I move that an SGM be held to vote on the following motion: "That the
SLUG committee can go to hell."

-Mary
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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread Dan Treacy
On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 10:43, Jan Schmidt wrote:
> Dear SLUG members,
> 
> After some lengthy negotiations, the Sydney Linux Users Group committee are
> pleased to announce the availability of the SCO Intellectual Property License
> for Linux at a reduced rate for SLUG members.

You forgot to mention the free SCO shares we discussed.


Dan.

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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread DE LUCA Ben
Great! can I get a rebate on the licenses I just bought? I got my self a
couple of hundred for my clients last week? Would this be possible?

> From: Jan Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:43:54 +1000
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit
> 
> Dear SLUG members,
> 
> After some lengthy negotiations, the Sydney Linux Users Group committee are
> pleased to announce the availability of the SCO Intellectual Property License
> for Linux at a reduced rate for SLUG members.
> 
> Ordinarily, these licenses are $699 for a uniprocessor server, and $199 per
> Linux desktop. As a special benefit for SLUG members, the reduced rate of
> $698 per server and $198 per desktop is now available.
> 
> As many of you know, SCO have recently revealed that several lines of SCO
> header files appear to have leaked into the Linux kernel, giving them
> ownership of the entire code base. As such, the SCO Intellectual Property
> License for Linux is now required in order to legally use a Linux system.
> 
> SLUG is very pleased to provide its members with the opportunity to become
> SCOSource compliant, and the boss of SCO Australia and and New Zealand,
> Kieran O'Shaughnessy, is reported to be "just this side of ecstatic" at the
> opportunity to bring in some sales.
> 
> In order to assist SLUG members with taking advantage of this deal, we've
> provided SCO Australia and New Zealand with a complete list of all our
> members, and they'll be in touch with everyone soon!
> 
> Regards,
> Jan Schmidt
> SLUG President.
> 
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>  Yeah.  The whole climax thing would make much more sense
>  if I'd paid attention.
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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread Dan Treacy
On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 10:52, Mary Gardiner wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 01, 2004, Jan Schmidt wrote:
> > After some lengthy negotiations, the Sydney Linux Users Group
> > committee are pleased to announce the availability of the SCO
> > Intellectual Property License for Linux at a reduced rate for SLUG
> > members.
> 
> As a former committee member, I'd like to distance myself from this
> sell-out. I attended the first hour of the last committee meeting and
> would like to emphasise that we discussed only things like putting
> speaker slides on the website, and the format of the minutes.

Yeah you missed ALL the good bits the strippers and the conga line were
highlights (or lowlights depending on what you think of Pete in
suspenders)

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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread kevin . saenz

Second that



On Thu, Apr 01, 2004, Jan Schmidt wrote:
> After some lengthy negotiations, the Sydney Linux Users Group
> committee are pleased to announce the availability of the SCO
> Intellectual Property License for Linux at a reduced rate for SLUG
> members.

As a former committee member, I'd like to distance myself from this
sell-out. I attended the first hour of the last committee meeting and
would like to emphasise that we discussed only things like putting
speaker slides on the website, and the format of the minutes.

I move that an SGM be held to vote on the following motion: "That the
SLUG committee can go to hell."

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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread kevin . saenz
Sorry forgot to include sluglist
Hmmm Didn't /. have something in about IBM filing for a decloratory
judgment
in the SCO case. Where the court will state that IBM didn't infringe on
SCO's
copyright through any linux activity. If IBM wins that case then SCO's
license
would be null envoid. Can anyone correct me if I am wrong.




Dear SLUG members,

After some lengthy negotiations, the Sydney Linux Users Group committee are
pleased to announce the availability of the SCO Intellectual Property
License
for Linux at a reduced rate for SLUG members.

Ordinarily, these licenses are $699 for a uniprocessor server, and $199 per
Linux desktop. As a special benefit for SLUG members, the reduced rate of
$698 per server and $198 per desktop is now available.

As many of you know, SCO have recently revealed that several lines of SCO
header files appear to have leaked into the Linux kernel, giving them
ownership of the entire code base. As such, the SCO Intellectual Property
License for Linux is now required in order to legally use a Linux system.

SLUG is very pleased to provide its members with the opportunity to become
SCOSource compliant, and the boss of SCO Australia and and New Zealand,
Kieran O'Shaughnessy, is reported to be "just this side of ecstatic" at the
opportunity to bring in some sales.

In order to assist SLUG members with taking advantage of this deal, we've
provided SCO Australia and New Zealand with a complete list of all our
members, and they'll be in touch with everyone soon!

Regards,
Jan Schmidt
SLUG President.

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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread kevin . saenz

The list of member's Slug is sending is that the mailing list or the paid
member list?
If it's the paid member list then I can see some perk not being a paid
member ;-)



Dear SLUG members,

After some lengthy negotiations, the Sydney Linux Users Group committee are
pleased to announce the availability of the SCO Intellectual Property
License
for Linux at a reduced rate for SLUG members.

Ordinarily, these licenses are $699 for a uniprocessor server, and $199 per
Linux desktop. As a special benefit for SLUG members, the reduced rate of
$698 per server and $198 per desktop is now available.

As many of you know, SCO have recently revealed that several lines of SCO
header files appear to have leaked into the Linux kernel, giving them
ownership of the entire code base. As such, the SCO Intellectual Property
License for Linux is now required in order to legally use a Linux system.

SLUG is very pleased to provide its members with the opportunity to become
SCOSource compliant, and the boss of SCO Australia and and New Zealand,
Kieran O'Shaughnessy, is reported to be "just this side of ecstatic" at the
opportunity to bring in some sales.

In order to assist SLUG members with taking advantage of this deal, we've
provided SCO Australia and New Zealand with a complete list of all our
members, and they'll be in touch with everyone soon!

Regards,
Jan Schmidt
SLUG President.

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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread Jan Schmidt


> Second that

You can't second that, you're not a former committee member AFAIK! I'm
afraid you'll have to propose your own motion to distance yourself.

J.

> 
> On Thu, Apr 01, 2004, Jan Schmidt wrote:
> > After some lengthy negotiations, the Sydney Linux Users Group
> > committee are pleased to announce the availability of the SCO
> > Intellectual Property License for Linux at a reduced rate for SLUG
> > members.
> 
> As a former committee member, I'd like to distance myself from this
> sell-out. I attended the first hour of the last committee meeting and
> would like to emphasise that we discussed only things like putting
> speaker slides on the website, and the format of the minutes.
> 
> I move that an SGM be held to vote on the following motion: "That the
> SLUG committee can go to hell."
> 
> -Mary
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> 
> 
> 
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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread kevin . saenz

Doh! I forgot my little smiley ;-)





> Second that

You can't second that, you're not a former committee member AFAIK! I'm
afraid you'll have to propose your own motion to distance yourself.

J.

>
> On Thu, Apr 01, 2004, Jan Schmidt wrote:
> > After some lengthy negotiations, the Sydney Linux Users Group
> > committee are pleased to announce the availability of the SCO
> > Intellectual Property License for Linux at a reduced rate for SLUG
> > members.
>
> As a former committee member, I'd like to distance myself from this
> sell-out. I attended the first hour of the last committee meeting and
> would like to emphasise that we discussed only things like putting
> speaker slides on the website, and the format of the minutes.
>
> I move that an SGM be held to vote on the following motion: "That the
> SLUG committee can go to hell."
>
> -Mary
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[SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread Jasper streit
Is this for real???
I'm thinking that it's too close to april fools day to take such absurd 
statements seriously.
If not then i'll second Mary's motion.

On 01/04/2004, at 10:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

As a former committee member, I'd like to distance myself from this
sell-out. I attended the first hour of the last committee meeting and
would like to emphasise that we discussed only things like putting
speaker slides on the website, and the format of the minutes.
I move that an SGM be held to vote on the following motion: "That the
SLUG committee can go to hell."
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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread David

I think this is a pathetic attempt to comercialise SLUG for the
agrandisement of the committee. If you think this cruel and unusual abuse
of your position of power is going to entice me to join your organisation
then you are fooling yourself.

Personally.. i think this justifies the Microsoft model of marketing. At
least I know exactly how much I'm up for and I don't get offered "free"
software with slimy organisations like yours sneaking hidden fees.




On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Jan Schmidt wrote:

> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:43:54 +1000
> From: Jan Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit
>
> Dear SLUG members,
>
> After some lengthy negotiations, the Sydney Linux Users Group committee are
> pleased to announce the availability of the SCO Intellectual Property License
> for Linux at a reduced rate for SLUG members.
>
> Ordinarily, these licenses are $699 for a uniprocessor server, and $199 per
> Linux desktop. As a special benefit for SLUG members, the reduced rate of
> $698 per server and $198 per desktop is now available.
>
> As many of you know, SCO have recently revealed that several lines of SCO
> header files appear to have leaked into the Linux kernel, giving them
> ownership of the entire code base. As such, the SCO Intellectual Property
> License for Linux is now required in order to legally use a Linux system.
>
> SLUG is very pleased to provide its members with the opportunity to become
> SCOSource compliant, and the boss of SCO Australia and and New Zealand,
> Kieran O'Shaughnessy, is reported to be "just this side of ecstatic" at the
> opportunity to bring in some sales.
>
> In order to assist SLUG members with taking advantage of this deal, we've
> provided SCO Australia and New Zealand with a complete list of all our
> members, and they'll be in touch with everyone soon!
>
> Regards,
> Jan Schmidt
> SLUG President.
>
> --
> Jan Schmidt  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>  Yeah.  The whole climax thing would make much more sense
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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread Jan Schmidt

> Sorry forgot to include sluglist
> Hmmm Didn't /. have something in about IBM filing for a decloratory
> judgment
> in the SCO case. Where the court will state that IBM didn't infringe on
> SCO's
> copyright through any linux activity. If IBM wins that case then SCO's
> license
> would be null envoid. Can anyone correct me if I am wrong.
> 

Yes, IBM have filed for a declaratory judgement in the SCO-IBM contract
dispute. Despite the ample evidence that the very worthy www.groklaw.net has
compiled, I don't think anyone can say yet what the courts WILL state.

After all, both the Linux kernel and the SCO source trees were written in
the VERY SAME CHARACTER SET, which is clear evidence to me that there may be
copying going on. 

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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread ACAY
Hi Kevin and all,

To my knowledge and understanding what Kevin stated
here is right as far as this issue of SLUG selling Linux
licenses to its membership and audience.  That this
ownership issue, whether it is SCO or the FREE SOFTWARE
COMMUNITY  is still open.

SLUG should not become a vehicle or instrument by which
SCO is given de-facto recognition as the owner of the
LINUX CODES without being settled by the proper
courts as it is currently being pursued by our FRIENDS
at IBM, NOVELL, HP, etc.

I agree with anyone who wish to distance SLUG from
this situation.

SLUG Committee perhaps is jumping the gun. Don't
SLUG be neutral and wait a while while this case is
the Courts ? This is my opinion.

I wish to be enlightened.


> Sorry forgot to include sluglist
> Hmmm Didn't /. have something in about IBM filing for a decloratory
> judgment
> in the SCO case. Where the court will state that IBM didn't infringe on
> SCO's
> copyright through any linux activity. If IBM wins that case then SCO's
> license
> would be null envoid. Can anyone correct me if I am wrong.
>
>
>
>
> Dear SLUG members,
>
> After some lengthy negotiations, the Sydney Linux Users Group committee
are
> pleased to announce the availability of the SCO Intellectual Property
> License
> for Linux at a reduced rate for SLUG members.
>
> Ordinarily, these licenses are $699 for a uniprocessor server, and $199
per
> Linux desktop. As a special benefit for SLUG members, the reduced rate of
> $698 per server and $198 per desktop is now available.
>
> As many of you know, SCO have recently revealed that several lines of SCO
> header files appear to have leaked into the Linux kernel, giving them
> ownership of the entire code base. As such, the SCO Intellectual Property
> License for Linux is now required in order to legally use a Linux system.
>
> SLUG is very pleased to provide its members with the opportunity to become
> SCOSource compliant, and the boss of SCO Australia and and New Zealand,
> Kieran O'Shaughnessy, is reported to be "just this side of ecstatic" at
the
> opportunity to bring in some sales.
>
> In order to assist SLUG members with taking advantage of this deal, we've
> provided SCO Australia and New Zealand with a complete list of all our
> members, and they'll be in touch with everyone soon!
>
> Regards,
> Jan Schmidt
> SLUG President.
>
> --
> Jan Schmidt  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>  Yeah.  The whole climax thing would make much more sense
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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Thu, Apr 01, 2004, Jan Schmidt wrote:
> 
> 
> > Second that
> 
> You can't second that, you're not a former committee member AFAIK! I'm
> afraid you'll have to propose your own motion to distance yourself.

But he can still second the motion that an SGM be held to move that the
committee can go to hell. Stupid cabal.

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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Thu, Apr 01, 2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> The list of member's Slug is sending is that the mailing list or the paid
> member list?

My understanding is that the committee handed over the entire email
address list to the SCO organisation.

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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread Oscar Plameras


> On Thu, Apr 01, 2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > The list of member's Slug is sending is that the mailing list or the
paid
> > member list?
>
> My understanding is that the committee handed over the entire email
> address list to the SCO organisation.
>

If this is true then PRIVACY LAW has been broken.


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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread Luke Yelavich
Nice April fools joke.

Just as good as an announcement of Patric retiring from Slackware 
development, seen at http://www.userlocal.com

Luke

At 10:43 AM 1/04/2004, Jan Schmidt wrote:
Dear SLUG members,

After some lengthy negotiations, the Sydney Linux Users Group committee are
pleased to announce the availability of the SCO Intellectual Property License
for Linux at a reduced rate for SLUG members.
Ordinarily, these licenses are $699 for a uniprocessor server, and $199 per
Linux desktop. As a special benefit for SLUG members, the reduced rate of
$698 per server and $198 per desktop is now available.
As many of you know, SCO have recently revealed that several lines of SCO
header files appear to have leaked into the Linux kernel, giving them
ownership of the entire code base. As such, the SCO Intellectual Property
License for Linux is now required in order to legally use a Linux system.
SLUG is very pleased to provide its members with the opportunity to become
SCOSource compliant, and the boss of SCO Australia and and New Zealand,
Kieran O'Shaughnessy, is reported to be "just this side of ecstatic" at the
opportunity to bring in some sales.
In order to assist SLUG members with taking advantage of this deal, we've
provided SCO Australia and New Zealand with a complete list of all our
members, and they'll be in touch with everyone soon!
Regards,
Jan Schmidt
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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread Peter Chubb

Please note the date on the header.  It's April 1.  Good grief.  

However that does bring up another point.  What is SLUG's privacy
policy?  *Can* the committee sell the membership lists to earn some
lucre?

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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread kevin . saenz

1st April what do u think?





Is this for real???
I'm thinking that it's too close to april fools day to take such absurd
statements seriously.
If not then i'll second Mary's motion.


On 01/04/2004, at 10:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> As a former committee member, I'd like to distance myself from this
> sell-out. I attended the first hour of the last committee meeting and
> would like to emphasise that we discussed only things like putting
> speaker slides on the website, and the format of the minutes.
>
> I move that an SGM be held to vote on the following motion: "That the
> SLUG committee can go to hell."
>
> -Mary

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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread kevin . saenz

Well we can talk about this after 1st of April




> Sorry forgot to include sluglist
> Hmmm Didn't /. have something in about IBM filing for a decloratory
> judgment
> in the SCO case. Where the court will state that IBM didn't infringe on
> SCO's
> copyright through any linux activity. If IBM wins that case then SCO's
> license
> would be null envoid. Can anyone correct me if I am wrong.
>

Yes, IBM have filed for a declaratory judgement in the SCO-IBM contract
dispute. Despite the ample evidence that the very worthy www.groklaw.net
has
compiled, I don't think anyone can say yet what the courts WILL state.

After all, both the Linux kernel and the SCO source trees were written in
the VERY SAME CHARACTER SET, which is clear evidence to me that there may
be
copying going on.

J.
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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread Peter Hardy
On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 11:30, Mary Gardiner wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 01, 2004, Jan Schmidt wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > Second that
> > 
> > You can't second that, you're not a former committee member AFAIK! I'm
> > afraid you'll have to propose your own motion to distance yourself.
> 
> But he can still second the motion that an SGM be held to move that the
> committee can go to hell. Stupid cabal.

*reel*reel*reel*

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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread Peter Hardy
On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 11:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The list of member's Slug is sending is that the mailing list or the paid
> member list?
> If it's the paid member list then I can see some perk not being a paid
> member ;-)

We currently have around 40-50 paid members, while the main SLUG list
numbers >700 subscribers.

Given a mutual interest in furthering the cause of Linux (and
incidentally increasing SCO's and SLUG's coffers ;-) ) we've handed over
the entire mailing list.

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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Thu, Apr 01, 2004, Peter Chubb wrote:
> 
> Please note the date on the header.  It's April 1.  Good grief.  
> 
> However that does bring up another point.  What is SLUG's privacy
> policy?  *Can* the committee sell the membership lists to earn some
> lucre?

SLUG's been in need of a privacy policy for ages: there is none at
present.

If anyone has any drafts or templates of such a thing around, please
fire it at activities. As far as I'm aware, the only use of your address
should be:

 1. To maintain the register of members required of us by our
 Constitution (which may involve allowing others to view the register)
 2. To inform you of General Meetings

The policy should probably also mention mailing list members.

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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread kevin . saenz

Actually instead of the Christian Children fund lets create a Linux SCO
Slush fund to
help SCO fight it's battle against the evils of Linux. We could raise more
money.



On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 11:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The list of member's Slug is sending is that the mailing list or the paid
> member list?
> If it's the paid member list then I can see some perk not being a paid
> member ;-)

We currently have around 40-50 paid members, while the main SLUG list
numbers >700 subscribers.

Given a mutual interest in furthering the cause of Linux (and
incidentally increasing SCO's and SLUG's coffers ;-) ) we've handed over
the entire mailing list.

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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread Harald Richard Ashburner
Speaking of special deals,
I can get all SLUG members Sharp Zaurus PDA's with debian already
installed for only $2,250 (Yes, this is no joke)
Preference will obviously be given to all who can show a valid SCOSource
licence purchased from Jan.


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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, DE LUCA Ben wrote:
>Great! can I get a rebate on the licenses I just bought? I got my self a
>couple of hundred for my clients last week? Would this be possible?

Sure.  Just send a blank signed cheque, made out to Jamie Wilkinson, to me
so I can add you to the membership.

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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Peter Chubb wrote:
>
>Please note the date on the header.  It's April 1.  Good grief.  
>
>However that does bring up another point.  What is SLUG's privacy
>policy?  *Can* the committee sell the membership lists to earn some
>lucre?

The membership list is stored on a paper napkin acquired from dinner the
night of the agm, crumpled at the bottom of a plastic bag, stored in a
secure location in the treasurers house.  There are no copies.

It's highly unlikely that the treasurer can even be arsed selling the
list let alone compiling it into a format that an interested party could
read and/or copy.

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[SLUG] Any one running mytv?

2004-03-31 Thread DE LUCA Ben
Does any one on the list have a mythtv setup?

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Re: [activities] Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread Jan Schmidt

> On Thu, Apr 01, 2004, Peter Chubb wrote:
> > 
> > Please note the date on the header.  It's April 1.  Good grief.  
> > 
> > However that does bring up another point.  What is SLUG's privacy
> > policy?  *Can* the committee sell the membership lists to earn some
> > lucre?
> 
> SLUG's been in need of a privacy policy for ages: there is none at
> present.
> 

Yup. We're still looking for someone that knows the appropriate jargon to
write it up correctly. My summation of my stance is:

SLUG takes the privacy of its members and mailing list subscribers very
seriously. Personal details are only collected to meet legal requirements
and allow correct notifications of AGM and SGM or other official SLUG
business. 

At no stage will SLUG be selling or making available the details of members 
without their permission. 

Details of the mailing list subcriptions are available to the volunteer 
list administrators, chosen by the SLUG committee, and email addresses 
can obviously be collected by anyone subscribed. Subscribers concerned 
about this are probably best off using ficticious details when subscribing 
to the list.

J.
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Re: [SLUG] Any one running mytv?

2004-03-31 Thread Jan Schmidt


> Does any one on the list have a mythtv setup?

I have a broken one. I haven't been able to get it going anywhere near
satisfactorily, so I went back to using crontab.

J.
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[SLUG] We lost our planet! :-(

2004-03-31 Thread Peter Hardy
http://planet.slug.org.au/

Where'd it go?!

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Re: [SLUG] Any one running mythtv?

2004-03-31 Thread DE LUCA Ben
HUH?

(I changed the title by the way)

> From: Jan Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 12:30:01 +1000
> To: Sydney Linux Users Group SLUG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Any one running mytv?
> 
> 
> 
>> Does any one on the list have a mythtv setup?
> 
> I have a broken one. I haven't been able to get it going anywhere near
> satisfactorily, so I went back to using crontab.
> 
> J.
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[SLUG] samba share and XP

2004-03-31 Thread Luke (Terry)
Hi,

I'm running Redhat 9 and samba 2.2.7a.
I recently setup an XP on my network but couldn't get it to recognise a
share on the linux box.

Usually on W98 and W2000 I'd use the *.reg files that come with the
samba distribution. This would ensure that the password encryption is
consistent.
There is a '.reg' file for XP, but running that had no effect and I
couldn't map a network drive from the XP box. 

Does anyone have experience with setting up shares on samba and getting
them to work with XP?

any input appreciated,

kr,
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[SLUG] Netscape 4.x -- Debian Unstable

2004-03-31 Thread Dan Treacy
Back to slightly more serious matters ;-)

Can anyone tell me the best place to get a netscape 4.x deb that will
work on Debian unstable.

I'm not too worried about what version of NN4 as it'll be mainly used
for website testing.

and Yes I'm aware I can just download it and install it manually etc
just wondering if anyone knows where I can find some debs.

Dan.

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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 10:43:54AM +1000, Jan Schmidt wrote:
> Dear SLUG members,
> 
> After some lengthy negotiations, the Sydney Linux Users Group committee are
> pleased to announce the availability of the SCO Intellectual Property License
> for Linux at a reduced rate for SLUG members.

I thought this one rated about a 4, myself, but after seeing a few of the
absolute whoppers that were hooked, I think it'd have to be worth at least a
6.

- Matt
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Re: [SLUG] Any one running mythtv?

2004-03-31 Thread Jan Schmidt


> HUH?

That is to say, I tried setting up mythtv. It downloads the TV timetables
from ebroadcast.com.au and puts them in its database, which was a reasonable
amount of effort on its own. I haven't, however, actually been able to get
it to record anything, so it's on the backburner. 

I may look at it again later, but for now I've gone back to putting an entry
in the cron tables each time I want the computer to record something.

Is that any clearer?

J.

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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread Harald Richard Ashburner
On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 12:44, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> I thought this one rated about a 4, myself, but after seeing a few of the
> absolute whoppers that were hooked, I think it'd have to be worth at least a
> 6.
Ah-ha! But were they hooked? Or were they hooking you by playing along? 
I'm inclined to give Mary a 9! Subtlety is not my strongest suit, mind.
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Re: [SLUG] Any one running mythtv?

2004-03-31 Thread DE LUCA Ben
I am at the moment trying to get my channel tunned in correctly. I have the
machine collecting the TV time tables.



> From: Jan Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 12:47:36 +1000
> To: Sydney Linux Users Group SLUG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Any one running mythtv?
> 
> 
> 
>> HUH?
> 
> That is to say, I tried setting up mythtv. It downloads the TV timetables
> from ebroadcast.com.au and puts them in its database, which was a reasonable
> amount of effort on its own. I haven't, however, actually been able to get
> it to record anything, so it's on the backburner.
> 
> I may look at it again later, but for now I've gone back to putting an entry
> in the cron tables each time I want the computer to record something.
> 
> Is that any clearer?
> 
> J.
> 
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> I've heard them calling my name...
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Re: [SLUG] samba share and XP

2004-03-31 Thread John Clarke
On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 12:12:33 +0930, Luke (Terry)  Vanderfluit wrote:

> Does anyone have experience with setting up shares on samba and getting
> them to work with XP?

Try this:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;q318266&sd=tech


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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 12:55:12PM +1000, Harald Richard Ashburner wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 12:44, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> > I thought this one rated about a 4, myself, but after seeing a few of the
> > absolute whoppers that were hooked, I think it'd have to be worth at least a
> > 6.
> Ah-ha! But were they hooked? Or were they hooking you by playing along? 

Some of them were obviously playing along, several were on the cusp, but I'm
*sure* that at least two replies were deadly serious.

> I'm inclined to give Mary a 9! Subtlety is not my strongest suit, mind.

Jan wrote the original message, which I was scoring.  Some of the followups
rated well, too.

- Matt

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RE: [SLUG] samba share and XP

2004-03-31 Thread Adam W
Luke,

> Does anyone have experience with setting up shares on samba 
> and getting them to work with XP?

I have 4 machines running XP (mixed - pro and home) and all can see and
get into the shares without any need to run any reg files or modify any
settings on the workstations at all.

Double check your samba conf file and possibly post us a copy of it to
check.

Cheers,
Adam.


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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread Michael Lake
Mary Gardiner wrote:
On Thu, Apr 01, 2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The list of member's Slug is sending is that the mailing list or the paid
member list?


My understanding is that the committee handed over the entire email
address list to the SCO organisation.
They will be looking very closely at the headers:

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20021003
"Hey Darl here's another one, add this one to the legal list we have"
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616
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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread Bret Comstock Waldow
On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 11:25, Jasper streit wrote:
>  Is this for real???

Yeah, it's for real.  The committee can go to hell.  It's still a free
country.

Regards,
Bret

> I'm thinking that it's too close to april fools day to take such absurd 
> statements seriously.
> If not then i'll second Mary's motion.
> 
> 
> On 01/04/2004, at 10:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > As a former committee member, I'd like to distance myself from this
> > sell-out. I attended the first hour of the last committee meeting and
> > would like to emphasise that we discussed only things like putting
> > speaker slides on the website, and the format of the minutes.
> >
> > I move that an SGM be held to vote on the following motion: "That the
> > SLUG committee can go to hell."
> >
> > -Mary

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Re: [SLUG] samba share and XP

2004-03-31 Thread Simon Bryan
We are running all our Home directories for Windows from the Samba 'Homes'
share with noproblem for W2K or XP. We also have a number of other shares
that I access from my XP machine, as I amn ot actually loggin in to the
domain I need to specify the domain user I want to authenticate with so
use the /USER:domain_name\username switch

Luke (Terry)  Vanderfluit said:
> Hi,
>
> I'm running Redhat 9 and samba 2.2.7a.
> I recently setup an XP on my network but couldn't get it to recognise a
> share on the linux box.
>
> Usually on W98 and W2000 I'd use the *.reg files that come with the
> samba distribution. This would ensure that the password encryption is
> consistent.
> There is a '.reg' file for XP, but running that had no effect and I
> couldn't map a network drive from the XP box.
>
> Does anyone have experience with setting up shares on samba and getting
> them to work with XP?
>
> any input appreciated,
>
> kr,
> Luke


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[SLUG] Looking for job, good UNIX/NETWORKING experience...

2004-03-31 Thread vini
Hi everyone,

I have just moved to Sydney and I would like some help to get a job here.
I have worked for many ISPs and also for some other companies as IT
Consultant. I'm looking for something related to UNIX, NETWORKING, ISPs,
INTERNET SOLUTIONS, etc...

Some of my skills are:

UNIX (LINUX "Red Hat and Slackware" and FreeBSD)
Qmail, Vpopmail and Sendmail
Apache, Squid, MRTG, BIND, Cistron Radius and Shell Scripting
TCP/IP

This is my resume, please have a look at it.
http://www.vini.engel.com.br/resume/

Cheers,
Vini


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[SLUG] home wanted for Mac Quadra 610

2004-03-31 Thread jimd
Includes mouse, keyboard, monitor

Works

Can include 300dpi laserwriter if you want it
(note that the laserwriter expects TIFFs etc from the computer rather than
itself interpreting a page description language; I think I have the software).

To be collected from Lindfield

Jim Donovan
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Re: [SLUG] New Membership Benefit

2004-03-31 Thread Shaun Oliver
I'm sat here laughing at how many people are either taking the piss or
taking the whole thing seriously.
unfortunately as I can't partake in this humour as it's now after mid 
day, I still find it amusing.

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