[SLUG] Link a Windows and Linux box to DSL line via same DSL modem / router

2004-09-27 Thread Vlad
Hi all, 

I hope i haven't overcomplicated this in the subject line.  I plan to
set up a mini home network.  I will get Linksys WAG54G ADSL modem /
router and connect 1 Windows box and 1 Linux laptop, to share same
internet connection.  Does anyone know of a possible conflict in doing
this ?

Thanks,

Vlad
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Re: [SLUG] Link a Windows and Linux box to DSL line via same DSL modem / router

2004-09-27 Thread Joshua Bassett
Hi Vlad,

No problems I can think of. You should just be able to plug it in,
configure the DSL connection (and firewall) and go. The router takes
care of NATing (sharing the internet connection) for you.

nullobject


On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:34:59 +1000, Vlad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I hope i haven't overcomplicated this in the subject line.  I plan to
> set up a mini home network.  I will get Linksys WAG54G ADSL modem /
> router and connect 1 Windows box and 1 Linux laptop, to share same
> internet connection.  Does anyone know of a possible conflict in doing
> this ?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Vlad
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Re: [SLUG] Link a Windows and Linux box to DSL line via same DSL modem / router

2004-09-27 Thread Ken Foskey
On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 07:34, Vlad wrote:
> Hi all, 
> 
> I hope i haven't overcomplicated this in the subject line.  I plan to
> set up a mini home network.  I will get Linksys WAG54G ADSL modem /
> router and connect 1 Windows box and 1 Linux laptop, to share same
> internet connection.  Does anyone know of a possible conflict in doing
> this ?

Not from a networking point of view.  Networking traffic is generic and
computers can be mixed.

Whether that particular piece of hardware is the best price /
performance, don't know.

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Re: [SLUG] NSW Linux tender

2004-09-27 Thread Howard Lowndes
On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 02:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Does anyone know where should I watch for the list of NSW Linux
> suppliers list once the tender is over?
> 
> Here is a short item about this tender:
> 
> http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,261733,39160788,00.htm

More to the point - where was the tender in the first place.  It's about
time the NSW gummint realised that N S W does not mean Newcastle,
Sydney, Wollongong and that there are communities, and a large part of
the state, west of the Blue Mountains.

> 
> Cheers,
> 
> P.
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[SLUG] Software

2004-09-27 Thread kmp
3D Home Architect Landscape Design Deluxe 6.0 - 29.99
Quark Express 6.0 - 60.00
Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5 - 100.00
Adobe Illustrator CS - 90.00
Quicken 2004 Premier Home And Business - 40.00
Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5 - 100.00
Borland Delphi 7 Professional - 70.00
Adobe Acrobat 6.0 Professional - 100.00
Norton System Works 2004 professional - 40.00
Mc Afee SpamKiller 2004 - 20.00
Microsoft Windows 2000 Server - 50.00
Borland Delphi 7 Professional - 70.00
Microsoft Windows 2000 Server - 50.00
Adobe Photoshop Elements 2.0 - 40.00

and more http://www.hotoem.info/

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness

2004-09-27 Thread Michael Fox
On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:54:24 +1000 (EST), David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Once installed it looks very pretty and slick, but during the install, all
> the packages downloaded from the net instead of from the CD. Did I do
> something wrong? I never found Debian hard to install before, so this is
> just slightly easier.

This is normal... the base install CD contains just enough to install
the system and then reboot. After the reboot it then uses external
sources... or atleast did for my install I just did now on a vmware
hosted session.

The install for me is just completing.. see how it runs once the
packages all complete the install phase.

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness

2004-09-27 Thread David Fisher

On Wed 28/9, David wrote:

>5: Sound. Inserting my favourite Mahler CD automatically started up a CD
>player (good!), but no sound came out (bad!). Maybe Ubuntu doesn't like
>Mahler.

This is totally unacceptable.  If it won't play Bruckner as well, its war.

>MediaPlayer plays Gustav perfectly. A bit depressing really :(

A lot of Mahler can be like that. Stay away from the 9th Symphony and Das
Lied von der Erde.



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[SLUG] Ubuntu issue.. (X windows)

2004-09-27 Thread Michael Fox
Anyone know why the X windows session as shown in the small jpeg
attached image is failing to load... the screen grab shows the point
in which it just appears to stop and go no further... I get a sound
played and then that fades out and I am left with the screen grab.

Screen grab can be seen here; http://www.heimic.net/capture.jpg
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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness

2004-09-27 Thread David


On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, David Fisher wrote:

>
> On Wed 28/9, David wrote:
>
> >5: Sound. Inserting my favourite Mahler CD automatically started up a CD
> >player (good!), but no sound came out (bad!). Maybe Ubuntu doesn't like
> >Mahler.
>
> This is totally unacceptable.  If it won't play Bruckner as well, its war.
>
> >MediaPlayer plays Gustav perfectly. A bit depressing really :(
>
> A lot of Mahler can be like that. Stay away from the 9th Symphony and Das
> Lied von der Erde.
>

damn.. that was the problem... 9th sympathy! But what's this? didn't get
any sympathy from Led Zeppelin either :(
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Re: [SLUG] OT. Secondary DNS anyone

2004-09-27 Thread David Gillies
http://nerdie.org
Ben Donohue wrote:
Hi Slugs,
I'm switching over from a dialup modem to ADSL.
I have a permanent IP and host my own primary DNS.
Currently Telstra second my DNS and MX for my domains.
My ADSL also has a permanent IP and i'll host my own primary DNS and 
mailserver etc.

What do people do with their ADSL to have a secondary other than pay the 
ADSL provider for seconding services? (it's not telstra)
Ben
PS i'm sure this has been asked before and i'm still searching the slug 
archives for an answer.

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness

2004-09-27 Thread Peter Chubb
> "david" == david  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

david> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, David Fisher wrote:

>>  On Wed 28/9, David wrote:
>> 
>> >5: Sound. Inserting my favourite Mahler CD automatically started
>> up a CD >player (good!), but no sound came out (bad!). Maybe Ubuntu
>> doesn't like >Mahler.
>> 
>> This is totally unacceptable.  If it won't play Bruckner as well,
>> its war.
>> 
>> >MediaPlayer plays Gustav perfectly. A bit depressing really :(
>> 
>> A lot of Mahler can be like that. Stay away from the 9th Symphony
>> and Das Lied von der Erde.
>> 

david> damn.. that was the problem... 9th sympathy! But what's this?
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I suggest you get Bach to work ... fire up a mixer and make sure that
output is enabled from the CD and the volume control isn't on zero.
Then you can Lizten to your heart's content.

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness

2004-09-27 Thread Michael Lake
David Fisher wrote:
On Wed 28/9, David wrote:
5: Sound. Inserting my favourite Mahler CD automatically started up a CD
player (good!), but no sound came out (bad!). Maybe Ubuntu doesn't like
Mahler.
This is totally unacceptable.  If it won't play Bruckner as well, its war.
MediaPlayer plays Gustav perfectly. A bit depressing really :(
A lot of Mahler can be like that. Stay away from the 9th Symphony and Das
Lied von der Erde.
I dunno bout the above, I have van Gogh's ear for music :-)
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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness

2004-09-27 Thread David Fisher

Mike Lake wrote:

> I dunno bout the above, I have van Gogh's ear for music :-)

Not to mention Joaquin Rodrigo's eye for fashion;-)

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness

2004-09-27 Thread Jan Schmidt

> I suggest you get Bach to work ... fire up a mixer and make sure that
> output is enabled from the CD and the volume control isn't on zero.
> Then you can Lizten to your heart's content.
> 

That may not be sufficient. On a lot of recent machines, the audio cable
from the CD-ROM drive to the sound card is not installed. Windows Media
Player uses CDDA digital extraction and then plays the music as if it were
a wav file. This won't use the analog cable, and allows the visualisation
effects they play (otherwise they'd have to capture the audio from the sound
card).

Which means that you need a CDDA based CD player to play them... which Gnome
2.8's CD player isn't, but 2.8.1's should be... the patch just missed the
freeze date.

Of course, this is not to say that your problem isn't just that the CD
channel is turned down in your mixer :)

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[SLUG] [OT] calling number display / caller ID

2004-09-27 Thread Luke (Terry) Vanderfluit
Hi,

I'm doing a (hardware project) that requires me to intercept the caller
ID on a phone line (among other things).
I need the technical specs of the australian phone system, in particular
the *ring* section.

I've been searching the web for info but I'm not getting many results
for the australian system.
So far I have a few, but mainly pertaining to the US system.

any help appreciated,

kind regards,
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[SLUG] ADSL and DNS

2004-09-27 Thread Ben Donohue
Hi Slugs,
I have what is probably an ADSL setup the same as a lot of people.
--public IP--|ADSL|--10.x.x.x--|Linux firewall|--192.168.1.x to internal 
hosts

I want to do my own primary DNS server which points to my domains. (will 
get it seconded externally)
Can anyone point me to a HOWTO that tells how to do DNS on the firewall 
or internal hosts so that I can host domains that are publically visible 
to the outside world?
As in I'm going from a permanent modem to an ADSL but the inside of the 
ADSL is a private IP range ie 10.x.x.x.
I'm trying to figure out how to set up the DNS to that it acts like a 
normal DNS if you know what I mean, visible to the outside world.

Is there some routing trick or NAT'ing that will do it or is the only 
way it's going to work is having a public address on the inside of the ADSL?
Ben

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Re: [SLUG] ADSL and DNS

2004-09-27 Thread Michael Fox
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:54:02 +1000, Ben Donohue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Slugs,
> I have what is probably an ADSL setup the same as a lot of people.
> 
> --public IP--|ADSL|--10.x.x.x--|Linux firewall|--192.168.1.x to internal
> hosts
> 

If you are using pppoe on linux to authenticate, it would mean the
10.x.x.x address doesn't come into it. The reason being is that the
public ip then gets passed to the interface the modem is connected
too. At which point you'd just allow dns requests in on this interface
on the linux firewall.
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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness

2004-09-27 Thread Craige McWhirter
On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 11:17 +1000, David wrote:

> damn.. that was the problem... 9th sympathy! But what's this? didn't get
> any sympathy from Led Zeppelin either :(

David, I'll admit I missed the genesis (har har) of this thread, so at
risk of asking a question that may have been asked already, what
hardware are you running this on?



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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu issue.. (X windows)

2004-09-27 Thread Craige McWhirter
On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 11:14 +1000, Michael Fox wrote:
> Anyone know why the X windows session as shown in the small jpeg
> attached image is failing to load... the screen grab shows the point
> in which it just appears to stop and go no further... I get a sound
> played and then that fades out and I am left with the screen grab.

We'll need some log files. Start by looking at this file:

~/.xsession-errors

Anything going fnky in there?


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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu issue.. (X windows)

2004-09-27 Thread Michael Fox
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:20:44 +1000, Craige McWhirter
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 11:14 +1000, Michael Fox wrote:
> > Anyone know why the X windows session as shown in the small jpeg
> > attached image is failing to load... the screen grab shows the point
> > in which it just appears to stop and go no further... I get a sound
> > played and then that fades out and I am left with the screen grab.
> 
> We'll need some log files. Start by looking at this file:
> 
> ~/.xsession-errors
> 
> Anything going fnky in there?

Yep, see below. If only I knew about this file. Ah well my skills with
X are non existant. Used only cli for the last 7 years ;)

extract;

ubuntu-io:/home/michaelf# more .xsession-errors
/etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: Registering your session with wtmp and utmp
/etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: running: /usr/bin/X11/sessreg -a -w /var/log/wtmp -
u /var/run/utmp -x "/var/lib/gdm/:0.Xservers" -h "" -l ":0" "michaelf"
/etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup...
SESSION_MANAGER=local/ubuntu-io:/tmp/.ICE-unix/6645
WARNING: No window manager can be found.
Warning: locale not supported by C library, locale unchanged
Gnome-Message: gnome_execute_async_with_env_fds: returning -1
Gnome-Message: gnome_execute_async_with_env_fds: returning -1
Gnome-Message: gnome_execute_async_with_env_fds: returning -1
Gnome-Message: gnome_execute_async_with_env_fds: returning -1
Gnome-Message: gnome_execute_async_with_env_fds: returning -1
Gnome-Message: gnome_execute_async_with_env_fds: returning -1
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Re: [SLUG] ADSL and DNS

2004-09-27 Thread Ben Donohue
Hi Michael,
Thanks for the quick reply.
The ADSL modem is a modem router. It has a USB and four ethernet ports. 
My Linux firewall is connected to it via an ethernet cable and is on 
eth0. hence the 10.x range. Are you saying I've got to configure the 
ADSL modem router to be a dumb device and so it has to pass the public 
IP to the USB? interface on the Linux box? (if so i'll have to figure 
out how the make the ADSL modem do it... any clues here???)
Ben

Michael Fox wrote:
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:54:02 +1000, Ben Donohue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

Hi Slugs,
I have what is probably an ADSL setup the same as a lot of people.
--public IP--|ADSL|--10.x.x.x--|Linux firewall|--192.168.1.x to internal
hosts
   

If you are using pppoe on linux to authenticate, it would mean the
10.x.x.x address doesn't come into it. The reason being is that the
public ip then gets passed to the interface the modem is connected
too. At which point you'd just allow dns requests in on this interface
on the linux firewall.
 

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Re: [SLUG] ADSL and DNS

2004-09-27 Thread Michael Fox
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:29:04 +1000, Ben Donohue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Michael,
> Thanks for the quick reply.
> The ADSL modem is a modem router. It has a USB and four ethernet ports.
> My Linux firewall is connected to it via an ethernet cable and is on
> eth0. hence the 10.x range. Are you saying I've got to configure the
> ADSL modem router to be a dumb device and so it has to pass the public
> IP to the USB? interface on the Linux box? (if so i'll have to figure
> out how the make the ADSL modem do it... any clues here???)

You need to tell your ADSL router to port forward the service you want
through (and where to).

ie. I run a webserver on the linux firewall and its ip is 10.0.0.8

I'd then tell my ADSL router in its port forwarding rules to allow TCP
80 through, and send itr to 10.0.0.8

That way when someone externally accesses our public ip on port 80 TCP
it passes through the router as per the port forwarding rules.

You could do this for DNS the same way.

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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu issue.. (X windows)

2004-09-27 Thread Craige McWhirter
On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 14:34 +1000, Michael Fox wrote:

> WARNING: No window manager can be found.

Did you do a custom install of sorts? I'd recommend the following:

apt-get install ~ubuntu-desktop

to ensure a complete desktop environment. If that's not what you want,
perhaps just install the window manager of your choice:

apt-get install fluxbox 

will give you a lean WM but I'd recommend the first suggestion,
otherwise you're missing out on a gem of a desktop :)

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness

2004-09-27 Thread David


On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, Jan Schmidt wrote:

> 
> > I suggest you get Bach to work ... fire up a mixer and make sure that
> > output is enabled from the CD and the volume control isn't on zero.
> > Then you can Lizten to your heart's content.
> >
>
> That may not be sufficient. On a lot of recent machines, the audio cable
> from the CD-ROM drive to the sound card is not installed. Windows Media
> Player uses CDDA digital extraction and then plays the music as if it were
> a wav file. This won't use the analog cable, and allows the visualisation
> effects they play (otherwise they'd have to capture the audio from the sound
> card).
>
> Which means that you need a CDDA based CD player to play them... which Gnome
> 2.8's CD player isn't, but 2.8.1's should be... the patch just missed the
> freeze date.
>
> Of course, this is not to say that your problem isn't just that the CD
> channel is turned down in your mixer :)

Thanks, Jan.. I now have both Mahler and Zeppelin.

I fired up alsamixer and fiddled with levels and toggles till sound came
out.

Now the cute little speaker icon on the desktop shows zero and is
non-functional. I don't care about that too much, but it certainly fails
the "Just Works" test espoused by Ubuntu. A non-technical person would
have no hope.

I'm also trying to set up GnomeMeeting, but even though I can induce
feedback using alsamixer (implying that both speakers and mike are
working), GnomeMeeting's test is implacably silent :( Ditto for
GnomeMeeting's video.

David.
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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu issue.. (X windows)

2004-09-27 Thread Michael Fox
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:42:03 +1000, Craige McWhirter
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 14:34 +1000, Michael Fox wrote:
> 
> > WARNING: No window manager can be found.
> 
> Did you do a custom install of sorts? I'd recommend the following:

Nup.. default install... and it did have some issues, as I had to
install various other things. Maybe I should try it again and see if
the problems show again. Maybe I found a bug :)

> 
> apt-get install ~ubuntu-desktop
> 
> to ensure a complete desktop environment. If that's not what you want,
> perhaps just install the window manager of your choice:
> 
> apt-get install fluxbox
> 
> will give you a lean WM but I'd recommend the first suggestion,
> otherwise you're missing out on a gem of a desktop :)
> 

Will give it a whirl now. I knew i was missing more stuff.

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness

2004-09-27 Thread David


On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, Craige McWhirter wrote:

> On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 11:17 +1000, David wrote:
>
> > damn.. that was the problem... 9th sympathy! But what's this? didn't get
> > any sympathy from Led Zeppelin either :(
>
> David, I'll admit I missed the genesis (har har) of this thread, so at
> risk of asking a question that may have been asked already, what
> hardware are you running this on?


Dell Inspiron 4000, sound card is ESS Maestro3

Sound now works after fiddling with alsamixer levels and toggles, but
desktop icon now doesn't do anything.
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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness

2004-09-27 Thread Jan Schmidt

> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, Jan Schmidt wrote:
> > That may not be sufficient. On a lot of recent machines, the audio cable
> > from the CD-ROM drive to the sound card is not installed. Windows Media
> > Player uses CDDA digital extraction and then plays the music as if it were
> > a wav file. This won't use the analog cable, and allows the visualisation
> > effects they play (otherwise they'd have to capture the audio from the sound
> > card).
> >
> > Which means that you need a CDDA based CD player to play them... which Gnome
> > 2.8's CD player isn't, but 2.8.1's should be... the patch just missed the
> > freeze date.
> >
> > Of course, this is not to say that your problem isn't just that the CD
> > channel is turned down in your mixer :)
> 
> Thanks, Jan.. I now have both Mahler and Zeppelin.

OK - you have the audio cable between your CD player and the sound card then
:)

> Now the cute little speaker icon on the desktop shows zero and is
> non-functional. I don't care about that too much, but it certainly fails
> the "Just Works" test espoused by Ubuntu. A non-technical person would
> have no hope.

That's a bit strange, I'm not sure what's going on there.

> I'm also trying to set up GnomeMeeting, but even though I can induce
> feedback using alsamixer (implying that both speakers and mike are
> working), GnomeMeeting's test is implacably silent :( Ditto for
> GnomeMeeting's video.

Did you hit the space bar when 'mic' was selected to turn on the 'capture'
flag?

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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu issue.. (X windows)

2004-09-27 Thread Craige McWhirter
On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 14:42 +1000, Craige McWhirter wrote:

> apt-get install ~ubuntu-desktop

Little(?) typo there. It really should be this:

sudo aptitude install '~tubuntu-desktop'

Tested on myself before sending this time :)

Let me know how this goes Michael.


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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu issue.. (X windows)

2004-09-27 Thread Michael Fox
Looks like my install has issues.. I am getting dep errors... think I
will trash it and try it at home on my adsl link at some stage...


On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:28:06 +1000, Craige McWhirter
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 14:42 +1000, Craige McWhirter wrote:
> 
> > apt-get install ~ubuntu-desktop
> 
> Little(?) typo there. It really should be this:
> 
> sudo aptitude install '~tubuntu-desktop'
> 
> Tested on myself before sending this time :)
> 
> Let me know how this goes Michael.
> 
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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu issue.. (X windows)

2004-09-27 Thread Craige McWhirter
On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 15:33 +1000, Michael Fox wrote:
> Looks like my install has issues.. I am getting dep errors... think I
> will trash it and try it at home on my adsl link at some stage...

A reinstall ought not be necessary. try the following:

sudo apt-get update && sudo aptitude install '~tubuntu-desktop'

If you see those errors again then it is most likely
your /etc/apt/sources.list that has the problems. I can send you a copy
of a good one.

If you do go down the re-install route, install it all off CD then edit
the sources.list post-install to update or get additional packages.


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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness

2004-09-27 Thread David


On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, Jan Schmidt wrote:

>
> > I'm also trying to set up GnomeMeeting, but even though I can induce
> > feedback using alsamixer (implying that both speakers and mike are
> > working), GnomeMeeting's test is implacably silent :( Ditto for
> > GnomeMeeting's video.
>
> Did you hit the space bar when 'mic' was selected to turn on the 'capture'
> flag?

Hmm I was sure I did, but perhaps with all the fiddling around, I
didn't quite get the right combinations :(

Audio is now working, but video is not. I can get video from my webcam
using Camorama, so all is plugged in correctly. GnomeMeeting gives no
Video Plugin options, so presumably that's the problem, but what to do
about it?


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[SLUG] RFC for IP

2004-09-27 Thread Alexander Samad
Hi


Can any one tell me what the relevant RFC is to read in regards to IP
and tcp/udp!

Been looking at 791

Alex


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Re: [SLUG] RFC for IP

2004-09-27 Thread O Plameras
Alexander Samad wrote:
Hi
Can any one tell me what the relevant RFC is to read in regards to IP
and tcp/udp!
Been looking at 791
 


There are hundreds related to TCP/IP. Start with RFC 1180 (TCP/IP Tutorial).
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[SLUG] moving /usr partition

2004-09-27 Thread Rod Butcher
I need to move my /usr partition from one hd to another... any 
suggestions as to best practice here ?
thanks
Rod
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