Re: [SLUG] Prefered video card for Linux dual-head?

[Amos Shapira]

2008/8/25 Dean Hamstead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I agree with open drivers,
>
> but if you are going to go buy an $80 video card and use it right away. The
> nvidia is the best option. Yes its a binary driver and no there isnt source
> code, so yes it taints your kernel. But right now, today, nvidia binary
> driver works the best.

Thanks everyone. Dean's post is representative of my approach to this
- "it stinks but it works *today*".

I just *might* have considered other stuff for home, where it's my
money and a single computer to muck around with (and with a big
question on how much time I'll have to play with it, small chance of
that) but it's my company's money and I'll have to justify to my boss
on why the new cards aren't just "plug and play". "Because next year
the drivers will be open source"? It's not going to cut it.

Thanks everyone for your input. As much as I'd like to support back
companies which support open source, I'll look for cheap dual-DVI
nVidia cards now.

Cheers,

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Re: [SLUG] Flash displays over everything else in webpages on Linux FF

[Amos Shapira]

2008/8/26 Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>
>> I'm a little frustrated by web pages that display flash, and their popup
>> menus that become hidden behind it.
>> I know I could block flash, but I don't always want to do this.
>> I have searched the web and the only solutions I have found are targeted
>> for the web admins, and not the client browsers.
>
> Because of the way Flash works in X, it's not fixable until both Adobe and
> browser vendors (ie. Mozilla) sort it out. Mozilla has done their end of the
> task already, and some Flash implementations (such as swfdec, and possibly
> gnash, I'm not sure) already support it. I believe Adobe will support this
> in their next plugin release, but... we'll just have to wait and see.

Here are a couple of more specific links about this - Windowless mode
(that's the name for the issue) for Linux is being alpha-tested now:
Original mention of windowless mode support:
http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2008/07/turkish_localization_also_wmod.html
And an important crash fix:
http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2008/08/windowless_mode_fix.html

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Re: [SLUG] Flash displays over everything else in webpages on Linux FF

[Jeff Waugh]

> I'm a little frustrated by web pages that display flash, and their popup 
> menus that become hidden behind it.
> I know I could block flash, but I don't always want to do this.
> I have searched the web and the only solutions I have found are targeted 
> for the web admins, and not the client browsers.

Because of the way Flash works in X, it's not fixable until both Adobe and
browser vendors (ie. Mozilla) sort it out. Mozilla has done their end of the
task already, and some Flash implementations (such as swfdec, and possibly
gnash, I'm not sure) already support it. I believe Adobe will support this
in their next plugin release, but... we'll just have to wait and see.

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Re: [SLUG] Glen Turner : The return of the Walled Garden

[Dean Hamstead]

their traffic is already tunneled, its part and parcel of ADSL.

Dean

Robert Collins wrote:

On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 11:53 +0930, Glen Turner wrote:


Tunnel brokers are fine for experimentation. It's nice to see
Internode
offer one, as the AARNet one is incredibly hammered (the most-heavily
used Hexago box in the world). But neither the ISP nor the customer
will want tunnels in the long run -- gamers cry about latency now,
just wait until all their gaming traffic routes via Adelaide :-)


Should be fine for internode games servers though :)

-Rob



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Re: [SLUG] Glen Turner : The return of the Walled Garden

[Robert Collins]

On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 11:53 +0930, Glen Turner wrote:
> 
> 
> Tunnel brokers are fine for experimentation. It's nice to see
> Internode
> offer one, as the AARNet one is incredibly hammered (the most-heavily
> used Hexago box in the world). But neither the ISP nor the customer
> will want tunnels in the long run -- gamers cry about latency now,
> just wait until all their gaming traffic routes via Adelaide :-)

Should be fine for internode games servers though :)

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Re:Subject:,[SLUG] Flash displays over everything else in webpages on Linux FF

[bill]

Firefox 3.01 and Flashblock 1.5.6 Addon works for me - a bit of a pain 
at times but at least I decide what Flash I see.

Hi All,
I'm a little frustrated by web pages that display flash, and their popup 
menus that become hidden behind it.

I know I could block flash, but I don't always want to do this.
I have searched the web and the only solutions I have found are targeted 
for the web admins, and not the client browsers.
Does anyone know any solution to this problem? (and no, emailing the web 
admin is not a solution. Neither is blocking flash).


Thanks,

Scott


  


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Re: [SLUG] Glen Turner : The return of the Walled Garden

[Glen Turner]

Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:


Is anyone using one of the IPv6 enabled Internode conenctions and
care to tell us how it's going?


I'm an Internode customer at home (my employer doesn't do domestic
premises). So I asked. Internode are currently shipping IPv6 to
colocation rack customers. They are working towards shipping it
to ADSL customers.

They're got in in trial on one of their BRASs, but it's their test
BRAS and so won't be solid (since the nature of "test" is that there's
no change control, outage notification, etc).  I've got a daughter
at uni who will kill me if the Internet is down when an assignment
is due (assignments these days are submitted over the Internet), so
I had to pass on that.

Give it a few months to bed in and for Internode to work out what
a ADSL customer offering should look like and things should be
very, very fine.

The major fly in the ointment is the lack of IPv6 ADSL routers.
To my knowledge there's only the Cisco stuff, a D-Link, and Linux
boxes doing NAT connected via a ADSL modem.


Tunnel brokers are fine for experimentation. It's nice to see Internode
offer one, as the AARNet one is incredibly hammered (the most-heavily
used Hexago box in the world). But neither the ISP nor the customer
will want tunnels in the long run -- gamers cry about latency now,
just wait until all their gaming traffic routes via Adelaide :-)


What Internode have done is impressive. Someone in the commercial space
had to make a start, and they have. More power to their arm.

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Re: [SLUG] Prefered video card for Linux dual-head?

[jam]

On Tuesday 26 August 2008 10:00:03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Amos Shapira wrote:
> > My boss bought second-hand extra monitors for all of us and I now need
> > to buy a graphics card which can support dual-head for Debian/Ubuntu
> > (and Windows XP and Vista).
> >
> > Since there are always swings around about "best linux support" which
> > I didn't follow, what's the order of the day? Should go with nVidia,
> > AMD or maybe Intel? Any specific card families/models?
>
> I run 2 monitors under ubuntu.
> What I havent seen in this thread is mention of the fact that you want a
> video card with dual dvi. Most cards have 1 dvi and 1 analog. I find that I
> get screen 'lining' when I use the dvi/analog combi. That is highly
> annoying. The cheapest dual dvi card I could find was $65, then up to $120
> etc. This was at allneeds.com.au in Adelaide.

I have 3 ubuntu machines, all fanless nvidia, 1 dual vga (gigabyte agp)
1 dual dvi (8600) and 1 (8500) vga+dvi

Except for minor hastles regarding the MASTER display (long solved) they are 
ALL perfect. The older agp machine dual(sic)-boots CentOS and SuSE without 
any problems.
So I guess that it is your cards and/or your monitors causing your grief

James
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Re: [SLUG] The USB2 Problem, amended.

[Peter Chubb]

> "wbennett" == wbennett  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

wbennett> The friend's equipment: Hardy Heron 100GB external hard
wbennett> drive (Seagate) USB2 connection

wbennett> Many thanks to those who posted suggestions. Does this alter
wbennett> things?

We really need more info to be able to help you.  What's in the kernel
log when you plug the drive in and switch it on?  (type `dmesg' at a
shell prompt, look for USB messages).  What kind of USB controller is
it (Is the appropriate driver module loaded?)  Are you running a
64-bit or 32-bit kernel?  Is this on an AMD/ATI chipset or an Intel
one (the ATI chipsets with some kernel versions refuse to put the USB
controllers into high speed mode)?
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Re: [SLUG] Flash displays over everything else in webpages on Linux FF

[Erik de Castro Lopo]

Scott Ragen wrote:

> Hi All,
> I'm a little frustrated by web pages that display flash, and their popup 
> menus that become hidden behind it.
> I know I could block flash, but I don't always want to do this.

There are things like Adblock Plus which puts a small tab marked
"block" on each picture and flash element allowing you to selectively
block only the things that annoy you.

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Re: [SLUG] The USB2 Problem, amended.

[david]

On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 10:43 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The friend's equipment:
> 
> Hardy Heron
> 100GB external hard drive (Seagate)
> USB2 connection
> 

This probably won't help, but I've given up on external USB drives
completely because so many of them simply died on me. I've got four
sitting in my "dead hardware" box. Maybe you have to pay extra for
better cases - I didn't get the impression the drive was the problem.. I
think it's the power supply or electonics on the external case. YMMV

That doesn't account for it working on Windows but not Hardy.

> The drive works with Windows, however Hardy won't recognise it.
> 
> He has a tichier 4GB USB2 drive. Hardy recognises this.
> 
> Many thanks to those who posted suggestions. Does this alter things?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Bill Bennett.

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[SLUG] The USB2 Problem, amended.

[wbennett]

The friend's equipment:

Hardy Heron
100GB external hard drive (Seagate)
USB2 connection

The drive works with Windows, however Hardy won't recognise it.

He has a tichier 4GB USB2 drive. Hardy recognises this.

Many thanks to those who posted suggestions. Does this alter things?

Regards,

Bill Bennett.
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[SLUG] Flash displays over everything else in webpages on Linux FF

[Scott Ragen]

Hi All,
I'm a little frustrated by web pages that display flash, and their popup 
menus that become hidden behind it.
I know I could block flash, but I don't always want to do this.
I have searched the web and the only solutions I have found are targeted 
for the web admins, and not the client browsers.
Does anyone know any solution to this problem? (and no, emailing the web 
admin is not a solution. Neither is blocking flash).

Thanks,

Scott

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[SLUG] Restricting available visuals in X

[Peter Chubb]

Hi,
Does anyone know how to restrict the available Visuals in X?
I'm attaching a greyscale monitor, and want to exclude everything
excet StaticGray.  My xorg.conf file sets the default visual
correctly; but xdpyinfo (and other applications) see lots of other
visuals, attempt to use them, and make the screen unreadable.

This is the `screen' section from xorg.conf:

Section "Screen"
Identifier "GreyScale"
Device  "ATI Radeon X700 (RV410 PCIE):external"
Monitor "GreyScale"
DefaultDepth 8
SubSection "Display"
Depth 8
Visual "StaticGray"
EndSubsection
EndSection

But xdpyinfo gives:

name of display::0.0
version number:11.0
vendor string:The X.Org Foundation
vendor release number:1040
X.Org version: 1.4.0
maximum request size:  16777212 bytes
motion buffer size:  256
bitmap unit, bit order, padding:32, LSBFirst, 32
image byte order:LSBFirst
number of supported pixmap formats:7
supported pixmap formats:
depth 1, bits_per_pixel 1, scanline_pad 32
depth 4, bits_per_pixel 8, scanline_pad 32
depth 8, bits_per_pixel 8, scanline_pad 32
depth 15, bits_per_pixel 16, scanline_pad 32
depth 16, bits_per_pixel 16, scanline_pad 32
depth 24, bits_per_pixel 32, scanline_pad 32
depth 32, bits_per_pixel 32, scanline_pad 32
keycode range:minimum 8, maximum 255
focus:  window 0xad, revert to Parent
number of extensions:33
BIG-REQUESTS
Composite
DAMAGE
DEC-XTRAP
DOUBLE-BUFFER
DPMS
Extended-Visual-Information
GLX
MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
MIT-SHM
MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD
RANDR
RECORD
RENDER
SECURITY
SGI-GLX
SHAPE
SYNC
TOG-CUP
X-Resource
XAccessControlExtension
XC-APPGROUP
XC-MISC
XFIXES
XFree86-Bigfont
XFree86-DGA
XFree86-Misc
XFree86-VidModeExtension
XINERAMA
XInputExtension
XKEYBOARD
XTEST
XVideo
default screen number:0
number of screens:1

screen #0:
  dimensions:1280x1024 pixels (325x260 millimeters)
  resolution:100x100 dots per inch
  depths (7):8, 1, 4, 15, 16, 24, 32
  root window id:0x56
  depth of root window:8 planes
  number of colormaps:minimum 1, maximum 1
  default colormap:0x20
  default number of colormap cells:256
  preallocated pixels:black 0, white 255
  options:backing-store NO, save-unders NO
  largest cursor:64x64
  current input event mask:0x58007f
KeyPressMask KeyReleaseMask   ButtonPressMask  
ButtonReleaseMaskEnterWindowMask  LeaveWindowMask  
PointerMotionMaskSubstructureNotifyMask   SubstructureRedirectMask 
PropertyChangeMask   
  number of visuals:13
  default visual id:  0x32
  visual:
visual id:0x27
class:PseudoColor
depth:8 planes
available colormap entries:256
red, green, blue masks:0x0, 0x0, 0x0
significant bits in color specification:8 bits
  visual:
visual id:0x28
class:GrayScale
depth:8 planes
available colormap entries:256
red, green, blue masks:0x0, 0x0, 0x0
significant bits in color specification:8 bits
  visual:
visual id:0x29
class:StaticColor
depth:8 planes
available colormap entries:256
red, green, blue masks:0x7, 0x38, 0xc0
significant bits in color specification:8 bits
  visual:
visual id:0x2a
class:TrueColor
depth:8 planes
available colormap entries:8 per subfield
red, green, blue masks:0x7, 0x38, 0xc0
significant bits in color specification:8 bits
  visual:
visual id:0x2b
class:TrueColor
depth:8 planes
available colormap entries:8 per subfield
red, green, blue masks:0x7, 0x38, 0xc0
significant bits in color specification:8 bits
  visual:
visual id:0x2c
class:TrueColor
depth:8 planes
available colormap entries:8 per subfield
red, green, blue masks:0x7, 0x38, 0xc0
significant bits in color specification:8 bits
  visual:
visual id:0x2d
class:TrueColor
depth:8 planes
available colormap entries:8 per subfield
red, green, blue masks:0x7, 0x38, 0xc0
significant bits in color specification:8 bits
  visual:
visual id:0x2e
class:DirectColor
depth:8 planes
available colormap entries:8 per subfield
red, green, blue masks:0x7, 0x38, 0xc0
significant bits in color specification:8 bits
  visual:
visual id:0x2f
class:DirectColor
depth:8 planes
available colormap entries:8 per subfield
red, green, blue masks:0x7, 0x38, 0xc0
significant bits in color specification:8 bits
  visual:
visual id:0x30
class:DirectColor
depth:8 planes
availa

Re: [SLUG] Prefered video card for Linux dual-head?

[Luke Vanderfluit]

Hi.

Amos Shapira wrote:

My boss bought second-hand extra monitors for all of us and I now need
to buy a graphics card which can support dual-head for Debian/Ubuntu
(and Windows XP and Vista).

Since there are always swings around about "best linux support" which
I didn't follow, what's the order of the day? Should go with nVidia,
AMD or maybe Intel? Any specific card families/models?


I run 2 monitors under ubuntu.
What I havent seen in this thread is mention of the fact that you want a video card with 
dual dvi. Most cards have 1 dvi and 1 analog. I find that I get screen 'lining' when I use 
the dvi/analog combi. That is highly annoying. The cheapest dual dvi card I could find was 
 $65, then up to $120 etc. This was at allneeds.com.au in Adelaide.


Kr.
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Re: [SLUG] procmail guru anyone?

[Luke Vanderfluit]

Hi Nigel.

You could post to the (very active) procmail mailing list.
I did some procmail stuff years ago and my experience with the help on that list was very 
good!


hth.

Kr.
Luke.

Nigel Allen wrote:


Hi

I'm struggling with procmail - as a complete newbie I should add.

Basically the pseudo code for what I want is as follows:

extract string from header.

if length($string) < 6
  pad $string left spaces to 6;
if test -d $string
  file the email into the folder $string
else
  forward to bad_folders alias;

What I have so far is:

:0
* ^X-My-Header:[ \t]*\/$
{
  STRING=${MATCH}
  :0
  * ? test ! -d $MATCH
  {
 ! bad_folder
  }
  $MATCH
}

I've managed to fudge my way so far with lot's of help from the Search 
Engine Gods, but I'm stuck on the "pad" problem. I know I could write 
this as a shell script or a perl snippet and then pipe the value of the 
variable out to it but how do I get it back in again (or alternatively 
how do I do it within procmail?


TIA

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[SLUG] Re: appaling wireless performance [update]

[Richard Heycock]

Well I finally got my PCMCIA (Netgear WG511T) back and tried it. Lo and
behold it works like a charm, I get a sustained rate of about 2.7MB/sec
so it would seem that it really does matter what devices are talking to
each other.

Thanks to all who responded.

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Re: [SLUG] Glen Turner : The return of the Walled Garden

[Daniel Pittman]

Erik de Castro Lopo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Glen Turner's blog post tweaked my interest. A bit of Googling showed
> that Internode is offering IPv6 ADSL connections:
>
> 
> http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com.au/articles/25688-ANALYSIS-Why-Internode-s-IPv6-product-makes-sense
>
> Is anyone using one of the IPv6 enabled Internode conenctions and care
> to tell us how it's going?

I have not used it, which makes me slightly outside your question, but
my answer as to why is potentially illuminating:

At the moment an ADSL service with IPv6 (eg: anyone but a business with
Layer 2 Ethernet connectivity) means running an IPv6 on IPv4 tunnel back
to their head end.

None of the ADSL DSLAM equipment currently supports IPv6 in PPP, with
the Agile equipment going through testing at present and likely to be
deployed for "native" IPv6 support some time late this year.[1]

Until then there is relatively little advantage to running an IPv6
tunnel via my ISP, compared to experimenting with the same thing via
some other random tunnel broker -- and for production it has all the
same issues that an IPIP tunnel always has.


That said, reports from people using the service have been uniformly
good in my experience, in that it more or less just works.

Regards,
Daniel

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[1]  ...if their estimates are correct.

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Re: [SLUG] Prefered video card for Linux dual-head?

[Daniel Pittman]

jam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Monday 25 August 2008 08:27:55 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> > My boss bought second-hand extra monitors for all of us and I now
>> > need to buy a graphics card which can support dual-head for
>> > Debian/Ubuntu (and Windows XP and Vista).
>> >
>> > Since there are always swings around about "best linux support"
>> > which I didn't follow, what's the order of the day? Should go with
>> > nVidia, AMD or maybe Intel? Any specific card families/models?
>>
>> Intel, unless you need serious 3D performance[1], then AMD/ATI, since
>> they have released the spec for the cards and so open drivers are on
>> the way.  NVIDIA last of all, because they are as closed as ever,
>> recently had a rash of hardware production quality faults, and the
>> reverse engineering efforts are great -- but never as good as the
>> hardware documentation.

[...]

> I totally disagree, but I'm pragmatic not idealistic.

So am I; pragmatically, using a driver that means you are less likely to
hit problems, and that your problems are less likely to be ignored, is
well worth the performance hit for using an Intel graphics chipset.

Likewise, using an ATI part where you get passable support using the
binary driver and good future support, seems more pragmatic to me than
tying yourself to binary drivers forever ^W until NVIDIA get bored.[1]

So, yes, I can see why the NVIDIA hardware might seem attractive, but 
I don't think it actually stacks up in the real world.[2]


> nvidia-settings let you setup 2 monitors, specify master monitor, and
> get it working in seconds, all in an easy GUI and IMHO setting up dual
> monitors IS a GUI task.

*shrug*  I have no strong opinion on this.

> Setting dual monitors of recent INTEL was an hour of googling and
> phaffing for a mate (and I have setup 100s vi-ing XF86config then
> xorg.conf over the years) THEN intel graphics performance on mythtv
> was so bad that he reverted to running DVICO under winders.  :-)

...doesn't Intel only support video acceleration on the primary head of
a dual monitor setup due to hardware limitations?  Anyway, that
experience is so divergent from any Intel experience that I have had, or
that people I know have had, that it seems (to me) likely to be an outlier.

> Last I purchased a 5300 card was about $50, and worked well for
> google-earth and most tasks, was a bit low-end for mythtv

*nod*

> Finally if pci is the only option, get a new mobo. Many ASUS with dual
> nvidia onboard. PCI is nigh impossible to get. (ASUS AMD uATX mobo for
> $70 ish)

I agree here.  My comments were regarding PCI*e*, or PCI Express, the
new serial bus interconnect that is all the rage for new hardware these
days, and has (finally) replaced AGP, fwiw.

Regards,
Daniel

Footnotes: 
[1]  ...but, at the end of the day, I own a notebook with an NVIDIA
 graphics chip because it was the best option available to to my
 disappointment.

[2]  I am presuming, here, that y'all tend to set up your graphics
 hardware and then, you know, just use it.  A handful of hours work
 up front isn't that big a price for six to twelve months of use.[3]

[3]  Actually, in my case, typically for three to five years of use, but
 apparently most people change hardware more frequently than I do.


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[SLUG] Glen Turner : The return of the Walled Garden

[Erik de Castro Lopo]

HI all,

Glen Turner's blog post tweaked my interest. A bit of Googling
showed that Internode is offering IPv6 ADSL connections:


http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com.au/articles/25688-ANALYSIS-Why-Internode-s-IPv6-product-makes-sense


Is anyone using one of the IPv6 enabled Internode conenctions and
care to tell us how it's going?

Cheersm
Erik
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[SLUG] procmail guru anyone?

[Nigel Allen]

Hi

I'm struggling with procmail - as a complete newbie I should add.

Basically the pseudo code for what I want is as follows:

extract string from header.

if length($string) < 6
  pad $string left spaces to 6;
if test -d $string
  file the email into the folder $string
else
  forward to bad_folders alias;

What I have so far is:

:0
* ^X-My-Header:[ \t]*\/$
{
  STRING=${MATCH}
  :0
  * ? test ! -d $MATCH
  {
 ! bad_folder
  }
  $MATCH
}

I've managed to fudge my way so far with lot's of help from the Search 
Engine Gods, but I'm stuck on the "pad" problem. I know I could write 
this as a shell script or a perl snippet and then pipe the value of the 
variable out to it but how do I get it back in again (or alternatively 
how do I do it within procmail?


TIA

Nigel

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[SLUG] [ot] StartupCamp Friday 5th Sept 7:00PM until Sunday 7:00PM

[Richard Hayes]

Dear List,

There fest to create a company in a weekend.
Limited spots available.

http://www.startup-australia.org/startupweekend


   "What is StartupCamp?

It's a get together of people from different disciplines that have an 
interest in startups and do a complete startup in one weekend. From 
coming up with the idea and making a business plan to pitching, design 
and development and marketing. The main goal is to learn from each 
others experience and to get a chance to work with a new group of people 
and of course to have a lot of fun.



   Where?

The Geekdom boardroom
Level 8
155 George Street
The Rocks, Sydney 2000


   When?

Friday 5th Sept 7:00PM until Sunday 7:00PM"

regards,

Richard Hayes


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