Re: [SLUG] Text books on Monodevelopment
Chris Allen wrote: I want to install MonoDeveleopment on my box (Ubuntu) with the via to learning C#. I believe this package is also an IDE. I have cut code for over 20 years in various languages but never with an ICE. Consequently I am looking for a good test ha explains C# and this IDE. Mono will always lag behind C#. You are probably best learning C# in Visual Studio and back porting your knowledge. In the past I, my 1 or 2 of my employers have suggest the I learn C# via Visual Studio in my spare time at work. In each case the text book they supplied did not match the version of Visual studio installed Consequently I wasted more time struggling to match the text with the IDE than learning the language. C# in a Nutshell will give you a comprehensive run through. (It is large. They must have big nuts in Perth.) Can anyone recommend a a good text that matches the MonoDevelopment's IDE. A google search recommended Practical Mono but Dymocks says it's out of print. Dymocks has several books about Visual Studio but nothing about Mono. The enthusiasm for writing texts about Mono seems to have waned. At http://www.mono-project.com/Books the books listed are over three years old. HTHAB. David -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: Open Source Medical Practice Management Software
Marghanita da Cruz wrote: Armin Marth wrote: snip -- Forwarded message -- From: richard terry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [Gnumed-devel] Australian development of Open Source Practice Management Software snip I think there have been some attempts to produce something australia, either desktop/web based, with little success that I know of, time often being the problem along with lack of basic team structure. Ian Hayood on the gpcg list could enlighten you on that. snip With the 'net the job is now more of integration of webserved applications than building the functionality into a standalone system. Armin / Marghanita You may be interested in a project called wedgetail, with which I have an association. It's an application that my colleagues Ian Haywood (as above) and Tony Lembke are writing using the Rails framework. As Richard Terry mentions, writing a complete EMR (electronic medical record) from scratch is a daunting task these days, (it was easier ten years ago), and so the focus of wedgetail is on the integration of information from various health providers and and their assorted health record systems into a web accessible repository. Its target group are patients with chronic, complex, often end stage, medical problems, where strict privacy is no longer an issue. It is conceivable that other functionality might be added to it in the future to give it more EMR like facilities. There is no intention by the current developers to add a financial component. HTH. David -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Open Source Medical Practice Management Software
Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: In this case it's much more than billing data - we're talking about sensitive medical records that meed to be managed and interchanged in ways strictly defined by guidelines and legislation set by governments and various other authorities. Actually, despite their reputed mercenary nature, most doctors don't really care about their billing data. They set their fees as they see fit and as long as most of the columns add up and they are happy with the numbers, they are content. If they want to swap to a new billing package they usually just run out the old one and start the new. Managing their medical data is much more important to them and having a core but movable dataset is the holy grail. The functional requirements are actually pretty limited. In brief they are demographics, recording notes (efficiently), generating outgoing correspondence, accepting and processing incoming correspondence (including pathology and radiology) and generating prescriptions. Medicare Australia requires billing software to pass their compliance testing. This mainly involves responding with the correct codes to their on-line batch processing facility. Medicare Australia was formerly known as the Health Insurance Commission. This best describes its function and in reality it does not give a rat's about medical data. Ultimate responsibility for clinical decisions rests with the doctor and they are free to choose whichever tools they like to to assist them. This, unfortunately, is all too often pen and paper. Imagine the difficulties associated with designing a business-ready FOSS accounting package, and multiplying all the complexities tenfold. I've been involved in a number of deployments of medical software in Australia, and I've quite frankly been shocked at the poor design and implementation decisions made. In one system still widely used in regional Australia, it is expected that interaction be made over RDP (Windows remote desktop). Considering the WAN links are satellite with an ISDN uplink, the results aren't fantastic. If the ISDN goes down (which isn't uncommon), the system becomes unbearable to use as the satellite takes over the uplink too. Imagine running an interactive desktop session over a link that has latencies (pings) in the order of one second. The most successful electronic medical record (EMR) packages in primary care have been written by doctor programmers. To date non-programmer doctors have been unable to articulate their requirements or have misunderstood the technology. Most EMR packages use MS SQL as their backend. A few use firebird and one uses 4G. Since moving data from one medical package to another is very difficult, vendor lock in has stifled innovation and most of the products are over ten years old. Most are designed for use only over the LAN. (I regard RDP as LAN technology which becomes progressively more painful the further you stretch it.) In terms of FOSS alternatives, take a look at Gnumed[1]. Their FAQ[2] is probably the best place to start. The project doesn't look particularly active, but I could be wrong. [1] http://www.gnumed.org/ [2] http://www.gnumed.org/faqs.html Gnumed started as a joint German-Australian venture in 2000. As Ken Wilson has noted, the practice of medicine varies country to country and gnumed has demonstrated, despite the best endeavours of the core developers, that the universal EMR is not possible. He who codes wins and gnumed is quite successful in providing certain supplementary components to commercial software packages in the German market. It is no longer of much use in Australia. The way forward is to define a subset of medical data as used in the Australia. Unique identifiers for disease codes, pathology tests and requests and prescription data is probably the minimal subset to get something functioning. After ten years and millions of dollars spent by the Feds this is yet to occur. This is a serious issue that unfortunately plays out as farce. David -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Open Source Medical Practice Management Software
Brad Thomson wrote: It's not only the data retention requirements that feature in this type of software, but depending on the exact nature of what the business does, ongoing funding compliance. I have just come off the back of a painful 5 months facilitating the introduction of an industry-specific, proprietary solution for a large nursing home on the Central Coast, and have seen failure within the software result in the business not being able to provide supporting evidence for their funding claims for particular classes of residents. I believe that we could have coded equivalent functionality, or modified an existing package in a shorter timeframe than has proved the case in working with the vendor to fix the problems, but unfortunately we're not able to spend the tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars to ensure that we meet all legal obligations. Again this is a finance thing between the nursing homes and the government funders. The documentation relates to the level of care that the nursing home patient requires and increasing levels attract increasing funds. The formula covers areas such as dementia and incontinence. Doctors regard most of this documentation as of limited value to their clinical assessments. The information doctors want and need is not dictated by government legislation. Open source developers have a free hand. They just have to keep the doctors happy. David -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Open Source Medical Practice Management Software
Ken Wilson wrote: But they do have to keep it for 7 years plus, for the taxman, I thought it was three years for the tax man but you could be right. and in medical negligence court cases it can be 21+7 years plus. I don't think financial records are relevant to medical negligence cases. There would be no medico legal reason to retain them for more than 7 years. The ultimate repository of medical billing data is held by Medicare Australia. Most would have the backup disc and just hope someone could read it if ever required. Unlicensed copies of most medical software will permit read only access. In any event, it's doubtful that anyone has ever tested the restore of the backup. ;-( David -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Open Source Medical Practice Management Software
Armin Marth wrote: Exporting patient files, with the patients details (name, DOB, sex, Medicare number, etc.) from HCN's software is possible as they can be exported from the program as a delimited text file (patients.out), but the patient's billing history, etc. cannot be imported into another medical practice suite and the database isn't accessible without HCN's access (logged in with a valid logon). This is not quite true. Data can be exported from the clinical component of HCN's software, Medial Director, on a patient by patient basis. One output option is XML format. I offer a modest example, http://ozdoc.mine.nu/wedgetail/wedetail_wedgewood.xml The format for this data is undocumented but should not be too difficult to decipher. It changes from time to time so you are playing samba to HCN's Microsoft. Nevertheless if we can get a stable data structure for clinical information, it becomes much more feasible to move clinical between rival Australian EMRs (electronic medical record systems). This is the path as Tony and Ken suggest and is certainly the next step. Another hoped for, and perhaps more stable, format will be that of Google Health's. This is in beta and they are making the API available for external developers. Now, this type of software is the perfect candidate to be on an open platform (which some medical practices use Linux to store a flat-file database on), and with simple google seaches I've found some open-source Medical Billing/Appointment book practice management suites, but they were all on 0.x releases and unsuitable for the Australian medical billing system, with no mention to Medicare. Has anyone found anything for Australia; I'd be interested in following the development for a Linux/multiplatform open-source practice management suite suited to Australia's medical/Medicare standards. I am not aware of any proprietary or open source solutions that run on linux, although one practice management system runs postgres under Windows and is applying for certification from Medicare Australia to also run under linux. David P.S. Armin, I hope the boss doesn't hear of this thread. The Australian medical IT scene is both very proprietary and very litigious. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Seeing 2020
Does slug have a view on what, if any, should be the open source input to 2020 (http://www.australia2020.gov.au/topics/infrastructure.cfm)? There's was a brief article in the popular economic press (http://business.smh.com.au/lateral-thinking-should-be-given-some-latitude/20080222-1u1r.html) suggesting the wider adoption of open source technologies should be considered. David -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Disabling intel_agp in debian
I have a NVidia FX 5500 in an Asrock 775i65GV mobo with built-in Intel graphics card. Booting under ubuntu and debian causes a kernel panic when the card gets to loading the kernel, presumably because the intel_agp module is loaded but output is going to the nvidia card. todoporron gave me the solution for ubuntu (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2390359#post2390359) and I presumed adding blacklist intel_agp to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist in 2.6.18-4 would work for debian. It doesn't and I note that intel_agp is not returned in a lsmod. Does this mean the module is built into the kernel and I have to roll my own or am I missing something somewhere? TIA. David [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/modprobe.d$ lsmod Module Size Used by binfmt_misc10984 1 ipv6 226016 19 nfs 202828 0 nfsd 197936 17 exportfs5600 1 nfsd lockd 54344 3 nfs,nfsd nfs_acl 3584 2 nfs,nfsd sunrpc138812 13 nfs,nfsd,lockd,nfs_acl appletalk 33260 0 ppdev 8676 0 parport_pc 32132 0 lp 11012 0 parport33256 3 ppdev,parport_pc,lp button 6672 0 ac 5188 0 battery 9636 0 dm_snapshot15552 0 dm_mirror 19152 0 dm_mod 50232 2 dm_snapshot,dm_mirror loop 15048 0 tsdev 7520 0 snd_intel8x0 30332 1 snd_ac97_codec 83104 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_bus2400 1 snd_ac97_codec snd_pcm_oss38368 1 snd_mixer_oss 15200 1 snd_pcm_oss floppy 53156 0 snd_pcm68676 3 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss snd_timer 20996 1 snd_pcm psmouse35016 0 serio_raw 6660 0 snd47012 6 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixe r_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 9248 2 snd snd_page_alloc 9640 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm i2c_i8017468 0 i2c_core 19680 1 i2c_i801 usblp 12768 0 rtc12372 0 pcspkr 3072 0 shpchp 33024 0 pci_hotplug28704 1 shpchp evdev 9088 1 reiserfs 212640 4 sd_mod 19040 6 ide_cd 36064 0 cdrom 32544 1 ide_cd 8139cp 21920 0 ata_piix 13576 5 libata 89396 1 ata_piix scsi_mod 124168 2 sd_mod,libata piix9444 0 [permanent] 8139too25120 0 mii 5344 2 8139cp,8139too generic 5476 0 [permanent] ide_core 110504 3 ide_cd,piix,generic ehci_hcd 28136 0 uhci_hcd 21164 0 usbcore 112644 4 usblp,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd thermal13608 0 processor 28840 1 thermal fan 4804 0 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Disabling intel_agp in debian
David Guest wrote: ) and I presumed adding blacklist intel_agp to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist in 2.6.18-4 would work for debian. It doesn't oops, it does. I moved the string higher up the blacklist instead of at the end. David -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Sunday Night at the Movies - Django on the Rails
Snakes and Rubies This (http://tinyurl.com/hwfgv) three hour epic pits two exciting newcomers to the small screen. Adrian Holovaty plays a tall laconic mid-western journalist come programmer on a mission to turn static websites into a sea of user oriented usability. Aided by Jacob Kaplan-Moss the movie describes their journey to the small Kansas town of Lawrence as innocents in search of fun and adventure. However, under the veneer of small town respectability, they uncover a sea of deception, darkness and 150,000 lines of PHP code. Their quest to overcome this evil makes for a gripping tale and gives Holovaty a platform on which to display his considerable talents. The story then shifts briefly to Denmark and on to Chicago as we follow David Heinemeier Hanson's coming to America. He is brash, loud mouthed and opinionated but at the same time passionate in his search for truth and beauty. He portrays a man on a mission bent on succeeding and doing whatever it takes in his quest for world domination, even if it means compromising some non-core values. His initial cynical, and perhaps sadistic, needling of java programmers' eyeballs may offend some viewers but he sees it as just one of the necessary steps on his long journey. Later, in scenes reminiscent of Luke Skywalker discovering his real parentage, he strikes down Larry Wall's Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test. We also see him agonise, although admittedly not for long, over the need for keeping the code pure while at the same time allowing others with commit rights in. Hanson shows his ability to weigh up the risks and the dangers but with an unshakable vision he is happy to chance his hand and take his opportunities when they arise. This is an outstanding performance and Hanson deserves his reputation as Schwarzenegger II. The final third of the movie sees the two main protagonists locked in a room full of questioning hackers in the Computer Science Department of DePaul University, Chicago. They thrust and parry across frameworks, through cool admin panels, automatic RSS feeds and minimising ajaxian ugliness. However, neither is prepared to go in for the kill since the real battle awaits each of them outside those walls. All in all it was an outstanding performance by these two young men and we will surely see a lot more from each of them over the next few years. I am personally looking forward to see how each of them grow and mature. I'll give the movie four stars. David Addit: A limited program can be found at http://tinyurl.com/ryzyx smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: [glug] Post wifi - SLUGs @ GLUGs
On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 14:49 +1100, Nick Schaefer wrote: Just a quick thank you to David, lindsay and all who organised the wifi weekend. N Lindsay Holmwood wrote: Rightio, I finally got off my arse and posted all the slides that are worth looking at up on my site. You'll be able to find them at: http://asymmetrics.net/~auxesis/?Presentations Pictures of the event can be found at: http://www.slug.org.au/gallery/glugmarch2005 courtesy of Terry. Make sure you give a shout if there's anything i've missed. Cheers, and thanks for the weekend! Lindsay I would also like to add my semi-official thanks to Lindsay for a great week-end. Although the numbers of about a dozen were small the group was probably an appropriate size for a solo visiting expert. Still we were very pleased that Lindsay's voice lasted the week-end. I would also like to thank Terry for providing accommodation and transport for Lindsay. Two wheels is the only way to travel. Thanks too to the guys from Coffs for coming up. If you get your LUG going, we would be pleased to hold a joint meeting in the future or provide any other support that might assist. Lastly, if Lindsay or other Sluggers wish to travel north next year for a gnurd week-end we would again be more than happy to accommodate them. David P.S. I'm off to do some war() walking now. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Wall-to-wall Windows
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeff Waugh wrote: | quote who=David Guest | | Is operating system vilification permited under the NSW | anti-vilification laws? | http://smh.com.au/articles/2005/02/14/1108229893549.html | | Really, someone should take the IT section of SMH to task over | this sort of crap. | | | Ah, c'mon, if someone said the same thing about Windows in an | article, you wouldn't even blink. They had badly put together | systems, now they don't. Could be the same thing either way, and | could be reported the same way. :-) | | We don't get a lot of negative press these days. Even if we did, | the only way to combat it is to make positive press. Ranting about | the bad bits doesn't get us anywhere [1]. :-) | | - Jeff | | [1] Understanding them, and building positive messages to combat | them *does* though. I agree with you, Jeff, but the thrust of the article was three bogey systems were amalgamated into one and that worked better. Whether that one was linux, windows or other is immaterial. However to then infer that the problem was open source software is illogical. O'Neill rendered no proof that it was. It is sloppy journalism and that at least should be scolded as such. David -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCFGglrI5sriRgbZwRAh2fAJ0dRjAg21ugAonfLf7XG9ZvGSfOmACfY4qZ CEDrx+LLxIcvtTFzIRV01P4= =W7++ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Wall-to-wall Windows
Is operating system vilification permited under the NSW anti-vilification laws? http://smh.com.au/articles/2005/02/14/1108229893549.html Really, someone should take the IT section of SMH to task over this sort of crap. David -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Building kernels [Was: Maybe trying out gentoo again]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeff Waugh wrote: | quote who=O Plameras | | Yes, it is. | | If you seriously believe this to be true, you might want to reply | with more rationale and detail than yes, it is, so we can find | out where you've gone wrong. :-) I think Oscar is having a python flashback. http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/alexmanes/monty.html David -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBiKtLrI5sriRgbZwRAmCMAJ41J/z4ZQ1UZWnxcW+ZAN8JaFnYbwCfa+i3 OEzFB9Tt30dmpbrBxYs7SMw= =DFLS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Need help in choosing distro
David Liu Lau wrote: I'm new to the mailing list, but I have a question. Firstly, some background(skip to next paragraph to avoid boredom): snip So, now I'm considering a new distro. What I'm looking for here is: http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/10/30/137 David -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: Exchanging copyright for money (Re: [SLUG] Which open source license is best)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Palmer wrote: | On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 04:39:28PM +1000, Mary Gardiner wrote: | | | copyright holders earning income from granting extra licences, | not people who've signed their copyright away in exchange for | royalties from such sales. | | | The issue I see in this model is the problem of valuing | contributions. How do I, as the mediator of this model, work out | who gets what money? Purely by LoC has all the usual | LoC-productivity problems[1]. | | snip | As someone who might be in a position to implement a system of this | ilk in the nearish future, I'm interested in discussion points | people might like to bring to the table. | | Thanks Matthew / Mary / Jeff My interest in this arises from my recent election to the GPCG (www.gpcg.org). This is a board that oversees a lump of government money (?~A9 mil) for computing in medical practice. A bunch of us have been agitating for the principle that government funded projects should be open sourced rather than just given away to private enterprise or buried in some government archive. A few of the academics, bureaucrats and commercial medical industry software developers have come to believe that open source might be a good thing. However, in many ways they are having difficulty in letting go of their proprietary software roots. A group of them have set up the Health OpenWare Foundation (www.healthopenware.org.au) to try to come to a solution to the sorts of problems we have been discussing above. They are struggling. The environment we are working in is thus quite different to the usual open source project. There are few people with the cross domain knowledge to drive these medical computing projects (He who codes wins) but it is plain to most, that the proprietary model has led down a number of dead ends. It would be nice to find a model that would open the source for academics and interested medical practitioners to dabble in code space (Jeff's level three participants) while acknowledging that most the coding would need to be done by professional developers. OOo thus offers a model that might be applicable in this area and like others I would be interested in the options for outside developers to interact on a commercial basis. The power of an open source meritocracy may not be directly transferable to this situation but we hope that we can at least preserve the principles of code reuse and extensibility. David - -- PGP public key 0x24606D9C at pgp.mit.edu 56D7 3608 6D73 0E11 064E 79C8 AC8E 6CAE 2460 6D9C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAxtVvrI5sriRgbZwRAqSkAJ0d+Toc1jRpjJtx6Ql0USRkUlEFMACdHQ6E 9CYph9TUn01S8/FADn0VejI= =41Zf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Which open source license is best
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mary Gardiner wrote: | On Sun, Jun 06, 2004, David Guest wrote: | | Alternatively are their commercial contracts for assigning | copyright under dual licensing? (e.g. I get one dollar for every | seat where this application is used under a commercial license.) | Or is this too messy to handle in practice? | | | I don't think it makes sense to assign ... copyright under dual | licensing. | | Assigning copyright to me gives me the right to control copying of | the work (ie to licence it however I like). On the other hand, | licencing it to me authorises me to use it (and perhaps copy it) in | particular ways. | | Either can be handed over as part of contractual agreements so you | may get an agreed return for either. snip | But I don't know of any commerical FOSS projects that have this | kind of deal with outside contributors. Thanks Mary. I was just wondering if people like Ken might get an income from the closed license stream in much the same way as Sun gets from Star Office. Not yet sounds like the answer and it may never be practicable. David -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD4DBQFAwv2krI5sriRgbZwRAg5YAJjWm8+WptQnp5zs87zbi1ISyn0WAJwIhXjc KmldO4HRAy8XfP8B7Clv0A== =93p/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Which open source license is best
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeff Waugh wrote: | quote who=Brad Kowalczyk | | Just one small Q, lets say I develop an app and release it under | say the GPL, if I then improve on this app adding new features | and functionality and wish to make a $ with it can I then release | it under a shudderclosed source/shudder license even though | it is heavily based on GPL'd code? | | | Because you hold the copyright, yes. | | Here's an example: | | Ximian wrote the Evolution groupware suite, so hold the copyright. | They require copyright attribution from contributors so that they | continue to hold copyright over the complete work. That allowed | them to ship Evolution with the Exchange connector (which until a | few weeks ago, was closed). | | If their contributors had not assigned copyright, Ximian would not | be able to ship a proprietary module along with their contributor's | code. Quite a few projects work in a similar fashion | (FSF/GNU-backed projects, Twisted, etc). Jeff A few questions if I may. Are there any projects where subsequent developers have also dual licensed their contributions under the GPL and a closed source license? Essentially they would trying to do the same as Ximian or MySQL, viz. have an income stream from commercial extension and application while making their code freely available under the GPL. Alternatively are their commercial contracts for assigning copyright under dual licensing? (e.g. I get one dollar for every seat where this application is used under a commercial license.) Or is this too messy to handle in practice? David - -- PGP public key 0x24606D9C at pgp.mit.edu 56D7 3608 6D73 0E11 064E 79C8 AC8E 6CAE 2460 6D9C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAwlLirI5sriRgbZwRAhJjAJ4/CUMffwHZQp62DVUfI0y0HTQlfgCfTCEB 7GfkGxCUi4SIsRcP8m2lzPw= =/e2T -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Regional Users' Group
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Davidson wrote: | I've just moved out of Sydney to a regional area (Coffs Harbour), | where there is no even remotely local (ooh, what a fab oxymoron) | LUG that I can find. There seems to have been one some years ago | which has presumably withered and died, leaving no trace beyond 404 | errors and bouncing emails. | snip | Any advice/assistance/personal abuse gratefully accepted. Matthew At the GLUG meeting in Lismore on the week-end two of the guys from LUNCH came. Linux Users Near Coffs Harbour heard about the meeting on this list, so they may yet get in contact. A mate of mine is the doc in Dorrigo and a proselytiser for linux. He established the Dorrigo Community Technology Centre but only agreed to participate if they banned Windows. He succeeded. ;-) As others have pointed out you need a venue. Build it and they will come. HTH. David - -- PGP public key 0x24606D9C at pgp.mit.edu 56D7 3608 6D73 0E11 064E 79C8 AC8E 6CAE 2460 6D9C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAszCGrI5sriRgbZwRAlVfAJ99Xp9xz1eKyXRYeK9mWo+zCp8GbwCdGWhZ /PFNc18Aw50z2s8KCBP/sEI= =3HoI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] linux magazine startup: www.linmagau.org
John Is the oz market big enough to support a Linux only mag? I don't know but it is certainly growing and at some point in the future it must surely be viable. We also seem to be paying a lot for shipping or import duty or whatever when the overseas computer magazines are about twice what we pay for local product. What with our costs, the value of our dollar and Australian OS expertise we should be net exporters not importers. Go for it. I'll take an inaugural subscription. David John Knight wrote: G'day fellers! We're a group from PLUG, over in WA, who are starting up a Linux Magazine, hopefully for Australia/Australasia. We need the general opinion of the Aussie public to see if it's worth starting up, or not. Would be be able to get as many people as possible to fill in the 1 question poll at the bottom right hand corner of the page? Thanks a lot, all! :) www.linmagau.org John Knight KDE en_GB (British English) Conversion Team Co-ordinator Noah's Ark was built by amateurs, the Titanic was built by professionals. Linux vs Windows -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Disk tapper on Woody
FWIW, I've had two 12 month old IBM Deathstars go in the last 3 weeks. http://www.anandtech.com/guides/viewfaq.html?i=71 The tapping was more of a grinding when running scandisk. David David wrote: every time I have had tapping sounds from a disk, a hardware failure has happened soon afterwards. I strongly suggest you do a thorough back up as a first step. It depends what you mean by tapping On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Bruce Badger wrote: I'm running a Woody system (installed from the SLUG/Debian CD, needless to say :-) ), and there is something going on that is causing the disk to be constantly accessed. It's like a constant tapping sound as the disk is being hit. How can I find out what process is accessing the disk? Is there a cool monitor out there that I can use to find out? Thanks. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Help wanted - graphic artists :-)
Hi Sluggers I am a general practitioner involved with a little project to write an open source patient management program for doctors in community practice and hospitals. Gnumed is GPLed and written in python/wxpython and postgres. The CVS moved from sourceforge to savannah a few months ago and Richard Stallman has politely suggested that we replace the words open source in our logo (see website logo, http://gnumed.org/). I think he prefers free. :-) The original designer of the logo is no longer contactable. A few of us could cut it up in the gimp but none of us have much experience or skill with graphics. Any takers will be paid at the usual free software rates. :-( David -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft backlash boosts Linux.
DaZZa wrote: On 20 Aug 2002, Tony Green wrote: top stories Microsoft backlash boosts Linux MICROSOFT'S hold on corporate Australia appears to be weakening, with a rise in the number of big companies opting to use Linux software for critical applications. http://email.ni.com.au/Click?q=71-GwZUIEZ8fBusdsmqgco85rjY tgreen@cavey:~$ dict slug-chat Main Entry: sl·ug·chat Pronunciation: 'slerg-chat' Function: noun Etymology: Mailing list for all Linux related posts that shouldn't be on the main list. These include advocacy, rants, flames, microsoft bashing, jokes and shouts of BBEEE111!! OK, I don't want to be an arse here, but I have to ask. Is this directive coming in any official capacity? If so, which one? If not - where do you have problems with people pointing out Linux in the news? The story is directly related to the rise of Linux in Corporate Australia - something I, for one, am happy to read. Are we restricting SLUG to the Can only ask questions if you mention Debian at least twice list? DaZZa DaZZ As an intermittent slug lurker, OS enthusiast and unreformed Microsoft basher, I think there is a lot in what Tony says. While MS bashing is always fun, Linux's place in the marketplace is assured and strident claims of its superiority are counter-productive. Nevertheless the slug list description (see below) suggests that more than technical matters can be discussed here and so I do not think that the original posting is off topic. I agree that maybe the slug committee should have some input into defining on and off topic, if it really is an issue. Cheers. David P.S. Debian, debian. *About slug* SLUG is primarily a meeting of the minds, a place to learn about and discuss Linux. Members are professionals, students, hobbyists, and many who just like to play and gain knowledge of Linux and Free Software. This mailing list caters for all levels, those who are new to Linux, wanting to know how to install or setup Linux, to experienced Free Software hackers. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ? on mandrake 8.2
On Sun, 2002-08-04 at 11:57, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=James Gregory All that said - you might want to look into using Linux replacements for your windows software rather than trying to emulate windows. I think Gabber will talk MSN Messenger. GAIM is probably a better bet - Gabber relies on the jabber.org servers to talk to MSN, and they generally don't work. GAIM does all the multiprotocol stuff locally, and talks MSN, AOL, Yahoo, ICQ, etc. Yep. jabber.org seems to be almost permanently down but we have been using a jabber server for quick internal communication in our small business (www.gmc.net.au). It's been a bit fiddly to set up but once done you are almost guaranteed to get through on the clients (Gabber, JIM, etc.) to MSN, ICQ, Yahoo HTH. David -- David Guest GPG key ID BE79B742 keyserver.medicine.net.au Fingerprint: 2609 DB95 C040 5902 BA0C 4D3C F1F2 EA62 BE79 B742 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [SLUG] SQL servers and Apache
- Original Message - From: "Steve Kowalik" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "George Vieira" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "SLUG List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] SQL servers and Apache On Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 09:40:26PM +1100, George Vieira uttered: Hi all, I have been offered a job to build 4 Apache web server but it must interface to a Windows NT SQL server.. I have not done SQL at all and I was hoping someone could tell me if this is possible and how to do it.. mod_auth_(mysql|ora), but it is a festering pile of (^(*_^*^)_^_*+)(*)(+*+)(*_*^. I've just deployed a virtual server with authenication again a mysql, and i couldn't count all the problems on 2 hands and feet. (ie: more than 20 ;-) Bet someone else has a better idea, too. Dear Sluggers As perhaps an extension of this, a colleague of mine has recently developed an ASP/IIS front-end to a dbf database. What tools would one use to do the same thing under GNU/Linux? Apache and ????. David David Guest General Practitioner, Lismore -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
