Re: [SLUG] ADSL without paying for a phone line?
If it exists in your area, the best you can hope for is cable. This is pretty fast down, pretty slow up. But if you aren't running a home webserver or doing a lot of bittorrenting, it should be just fine. At least _I_ think it's just fine... compared to the 100Mb-ethernet-to-the-bedroom I had at university (the perk of being the network sysadmin at the college) all this stuff is slow anyway. Personally I don't find the difference between cable and ADSL very large, and the cable is MUCH MUCH MUCH more reliable. As in I've only ever heard of one person that has ever had trouble reliable. And I can get 1Mb a second to my server in the US, so that's everything I need ok :) Adam K Sonia Hamilton wrote: (slightly OT...) Is there a way of getting ADSL at home without paying for a landline? I use my mobile for everything, and don't use the landline but am paying for it to run ADSL on. I know there's things like wireless from http://www.unwired.com.au/, but to get decent downloads the costs would work out the same. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] ADSL without paying for a phone line?
(slightly OT...) Is there a way of getting ADSL at home without paying for a landline? I use my mobile for everything, and don't use the landline but am paying for it to run ADSL on. I know there's things like wireless from http://www.unwired.com.au/, but to get decent downloads the costs would work out the same. -- Sonia Hamilton. GPG key A8B77238. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL without paying for a phone line?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 There's a vull... (Vacant ull), but there's a snowball's chance of hell in getting one - you used to be able to get them to hook it up to them, but it's not strictly legit, so it's frowned upon these days. Sonia Hamilton wrote: (slightly OT...) Is there a way of getting ADSL at home without paying for a landline? I use my mobile for everything, and don't use the landline but am paying for it to run ADSL on. I know there's things like wireless from http://www.unwired.com.au/, but to get decent downloads the costs would work out the same. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFfiWyQ5jkR4oZBYcRApBmAJ0cVRQzZ2HbXVK11C+BZg6XDuujoQCfcThO +UYk8dA8gPtxc91NSMwcgXs= =/tWp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL without paying for a phone line?
Some ISPs (I'm thinking of Exetel here, but I know others do the same) let you bundle the line rental with the DSL and give you a discount, and then let you use VoIP to reduce the cost of calls. Wouldn't work well for me - I don't remember the last time I made a landline call On 12/12/06, Howard Lowndes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you looked at the possibility of using VoIP on your ADSL connection to mitigate your mobile call charges, thus justifying the cost of you line rental. Sonia Hamilton wrote: (slightly OT...) Is there a way of getting ADSL at home without paying for a landline? I use my mobile for everything, and don't use the landline but am paying for it to run ADSL on. I know there's things like wireless from http://www.unwired.com.au/, but to get decent downloads the costs would work out the same. -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates - Your Linux people http://lannetlinux.com When you want a computer system that works, just choose Linux; When you want a computer system that works, just, choose Microsoft. -- Flatter government, not fatter government; abolish the Australian states. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- There is nothing more worthy of contempt than a man who quotes himself - Zhasper, 2004 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL without paying for a phone line?
This one time, at band camp, Sonia Hamilton wrote: Is there a way of getting ADSL at home without paying for a landline? I use my mobile for everything, and don't use the landline but am paying for it to run ADSL on. Nope. Welcome to Australia, where we subsidize privately owned corporations whether we like it or not. Think yourself lucky you can at least get decent ADSL. My line is connected via a RIM (little mini exchange in the street) so I can't get ADSL2+ connected and instead have to connect via a Telstra port, so I'm once again subsidizing Telstra. My line rental is the same, despite getting a diminished service. My only recourse is to keep getting paper bills and to pay by credit card. This at least costs the bastards money. I know there's things like wireless from http://www.unwired.com.au/, but to get decent downloads the costs would work out the same. I'm currently using Unwired while waiting for my ADSL to get connected. The service is appalling. At best I get dialup speeds, with higher latency. The software to monitor the Unwired modem, while written in Java, doesn't work. It's got this weirdo install script and I don't know enough about Java to get it going. -- Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rumble.net Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich by promising to protect each from the other. - Politicians and Other Scoundrels by Ferdinand Lundberg -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL without paying for a phone line?
On 12/12/06, Howard Lowndes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you looked at the possibility of using VoIP on your ADSL connection to mitigate your mobile call charges, thus justifying the cost of you line rental. How is that? Once you have an IP hart beat you don't need the POTS line. I'm currently connected through iiNet ADSL2 and use their (almost free) VoIP service for outgoing calls, so I get to enjoy paying for an POTS line rental I never use (while still managed to cut down my call costs by about 90%, ex. line rental). I though that what Sonia is asking for is what ULL was made for, wasn't there some movement in legislation to force Telstra to allow this? Anyway, whirlpool.net.au is probably the best resource to find about the options, isn't it? --P -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL without paying for a phone line?
This one time, at band camp, Penedo wrote: I though that what Sonia is asking for is what ULL was made for, wasn't there some movement in legislation to force Telstra to allow this? I'm sure Telstra would happily supply the copper for ADSL without a POTS line. It's just the price will be $19.95/month. You'll need to wait until after the next election and the finalization of the T3 process before any government will have the balls to force real competition on the monopoly. Even then it's doubtful, going on past performance. -- Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rumble.net Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL without paying for a phone line?
Rev Simon Rumble wrote: This one time, at band camp, Sonia Hamilton wrote: Is there a way of getting ADSL at home without paying for a landline? I use my mobile for everything, and don't use the landline but am paying for it to run ADSL on. Nope. Welcome to Australia, where we subsidize privately owned corporations whether we like it or not. Think yourself lucky you can at least get decent ADSL. My line is connected via a RIM (little mini exchange in the street) so I can't get ADSL2+ connected and instead have to connect via a Telstra port, so I'm once again subsidizing Telstra. My line rental is the same, despite getting a diminished service. My only recourse is to keep getting paper bills and to pay by credit card. This at least costs the bastards money. And the end user too, more and more these days. There are at least a couple of bills each month I have to pay where it costs me extra if I want a paper bill, or if I don't set up automatic debit for payment. Oliver -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL without paying for a phone line?
This one time, at band camp, David Lloyd wrote: Very, very doubtful; real competition might make Telstra appear to be losing money in the short term thus devaluing shares, thus annoying all the Aussie Battlers [oh PLEASE] who bought shares when the share's value drops. I used to own this company. Then a government I didn't vote for sold it. Also, if I were a Government I wouldn't want the country's largest, private telecommunications provider to be off-side during an election. Like I said, wait until AFTER the election. It might change. But I wouldn't hold my breath. If Labor are smart, they'll make rural broadband an election issue. -- Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rumble.net A lifetime of listening to disco music is a high price to pay for one's sexual preference - Quentin Crisp -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL without paying for a phone line?
Like I said, wait until AFTER the election. It might change. But I wouldn't hold my breath. If Labor are smart, they'll make rural broadband an election issue. the drought will dominate everything but thats slug-chat material Dean -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL without paying for a phone line?
This one time, at band camp, Howard Lowndes wrote: exchange in the street) so I can't get ADSL2+ connected and instead have to connect via a Telstra port, so I'm once again subsidizing Telstra. Not where you can't get ADSL2+ You still have to pay Telstra for line rental, even if you using LUL. It might be billed by your LUL supplier, but there's still money going to Telstra. Not so. Hel$tra charge you a fee if you pay by CC. Ahhh, didn't notice the fine print there. Love the Confusopoly*. [*]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confusopoly -- Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rumble.net I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves. - Henry Kissinger on Chile prior to the overthrow and violent death of Salvador Allende. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL without paying for a phone line?
* On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 02:42:35PM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: Have you looked at the possibility of using VoIP on your ADSL connection to mitigate your mobile call charges, thus justifying the cost of you line rental. * On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 02:45:51PM +1100, Zhasper wrote: Some ISPs (I'm thinking of Exetel here, but I know others do the same) let you bundle the line rental with the DSL and give you a discount, and then let you use VoIP to reduce the cost of calls. Thanks for all the replies! After the last SLUG talk, I'm now using VoIP (sipme) - works well. It's actually motivating me to get rid of my landline, as any long distance calls I make I now do over VoIP. As for my mobile, I use it almost entirely for SMS, not voice calls. I've thought (and posted about) using Asterisk + some sort of SMS gateway to do away with that too, but then realised I like the convenience of being able to SMS whilst out about :-) I'll check out Exetel's bundling - could be the go. Hel$tra is dead! Long live Hel$tra! -- Sonia Hamilton. GPG key A8B77238. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL without paying for a phone line?
Simon, [I hope you don't mind me addressing you informally] You'll need to wait until after the next election and the finalization of the T3 process before any government will have the balls to force real competition on the monopoly. Even then it's doubtful, going on past performance. Very, very doubtful; real competition might make Telstra appear to be losing money in the short term thus devaluing shares, thus annoying all the Aussie Battlers [oh PLEASE] who bought shares when the share's value drops. Also, if I were a Government I wouldn't want the country's largest, private telecommunications provider to be off-side during an election. Especially if I had no control over them... DSL -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
