Re: [SLUG] Internet connection problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks Martin, I have discovered that he actually upgraded from Ubuntu 7.04 to 7.10 (rather than a clean install) at the time this problem arose. Martin Visser wrote: Definitely check out Scott's lspci suggestion - this will show if it is a hardware problem 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8377 [KT400/KT600 AGP] Host Bridge 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8235 PCI Bridge 00:08.0 PCI bridge: Hint Corp HB6 Universal PCI-PCI bridge (non-transparent mode) (rev 15) 00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) . This seems to indicate that it is detected. Also dmesg: [ 35.009005] 8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.28 [ 35.009302] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] enabled at IRQ 10 [ 35.009307] PCI: setting IRQ 10 as level-triggered [ 35.009313] ACPI: PCI Interrupt :00:0a.0[A] - Link [LNKC] - GSI 10 (level, low) - IRQ 10 [ 35.009649] eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xf8836f00, 00:40:f4:b4:bb:df, IRQ 10 [ 35.009652] eth0: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8100B/8139D' [ 35.011600] 8139cp: 10/100 PCI Ethernet driver v1.3 (Mar 22, 2004) Same as in dmesg.0 etc. As far as /etc/iftab goes, this is not used in Ubuntu 7.10 anymorethis functionality is moved to hotplug,. and maybe causing your prob. This file (iftab) is not present As you said, the NIC was in when Ubuntu was installed. However, some NICs for some curious reason do sometimes change MAC address between powerups. Checkout the file /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . If there are lots of entries in their for different MAC addresses, there is your problem. This file is generated during bootup by /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules. The suggestion at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3816892 suggests to backup and delete these two files. The system will then just assign ethernet devices numbers in the order it finds them, and if it only every finds one NIC then it will always be eth0 I emailed him the above paragraph and and received the return email saying: did all as instructed! to no avail! I would have suspected the hardware except that winXP (dual boot machine) has no problem connecting to and using the adsl connection. A very frustrating puzzle. Heracles -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHTq2eybPcBAs9CE8RAh9lAJ91i0fGyowfJlHQ74ww1Bz2eF7tRwCdFH1K e6WnNojr72nMjQebPfokrYY= =v3tg -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Internet connection problems
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 29/11/2007 11:16:35 PM: 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8377 [KT400/KT600 AGP] Host Bridge 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8235 PCI Bridge 00:08.0 PCI bridge: Hint Corp HB6 Universal PCI-PCI bridge (non-transparent mode) (rev 15) 00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) . Is the nic module loaded when eth0 doesn't work? (I don't have this card, but I would guess it would be 8139too) If not, try loading it. Cheers, Scott -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Internet connection problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, A good mate of mine is having a strange problem with his (Ubuntu 7.10) internet connection. I have included the relevant text from his email to me. If anyone could suggest a direction in which to look I would be grateful. Quote: I am very puzzled at moment by my bigbox ubuntu...by my network/internet connection. Microsoft xp has no probs at all , on same box. But ubuntu will connect once or twice IF I MOVE THE NETWORK CARD FROM ONE SLOT TO ANOTHER between boots! I've been through a rigmarole which the ancient mariner would've been perplexed by: I've tested all the hdds, unplugged lots of peripherals, reinstalled, said noapic (on one hint from an ubuntu help), but I always return to same lack of connection, after seeming success. when I have this lack of connection, network tools always says that my eth0 network hardware is non existent (and also avahi appears as another network option... what avahi is, i dunno, but it always pops up as an option when I can't connect) I haven't come across this problem before. Heracles -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHTViTybPcBAs9CE8RAgXJAJ9Ek/QXRH+j+NsE2qs/SxMfOBKJEQCgv/CY U1nX078w6E6BeOuH7ORrtUM= =xRhL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Internet connection problems
On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 23:01 +1100, Heracles wrote: But ubuntu will connect once or twice IF I MOVE THE NETWORK CARD FROM ONE SLOT TO ANOTHER between boots! I don't quite follow exactly what he means. If it is an upgrade, check for a file called /etc/iftab. If it is a new NIC then the old NIC's MAC address may still be hardcoded in there and preventing it from assigning eth0 to it. Simon Wong -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Simon, I will check with him today to be sure, but I think the network card was already in the machine when he loaded Ubuntu 7.10 - which I think was a clean install. He has found that when the system refuses to connect to the internet (he has ADSL) if he shuts it down and shifts the network card to a different PCI slot, on reboot into Linux, the system will connect to the internet the next time (sometimes the next two times) but then the next time will refuse to connect and even refuses to recognise eth0. Heracles Linux Wongy wrote: On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 23:01 +1100, Heracles wrote: But ubuntu will connect once or twice IF I MOVE THE NETWORK CARD FROM ONE SLOT TO ANOTHER between boots! I don't quite follow exactly what he means. If it is an upgrade, check for a file called /etc/iftab. If it is a new NIC then the old NIC's MAC address may still be hardcoded in there and preventing it from assigning eth0 to it. Simon Wong -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHTfp9ybPcBAs9CE8RAswUAKC2pxgAoXv4zHTDsrJD90v8lRAMewCfUhMT EHp0tcQMj/rq1Jc1pG5qxfA= =3PC6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Internet connection problems
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 29/11/2007 10:32:13 AM: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Simon, I will check with him today to be sure, but I think the network card was already in the machine when he loaded Ubuntu 7.10 - which I think was a clean install. He has found that when the system refuses to connect to the internet (he has ADSL) if he shuts it down and shifts the network card to a different PCI slot, on reboot into Linux, the system will connect to the internet the next time (sometimes the next two times) but then the next time will refuse to connect and even refuses to recognise eth0. Hi Heracles, Is the network card seen in lspci? Have a look at /var/log/dmesg, any clues in there? What brand Network card is it? (perhaps posting the lspci -v for the nic may help). Cheers, Scott -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Internet connection problems
Definitely check out Scott's lspci suggestion - this will show if it is a hardware problem As far as /etc/iftab goes, this is not used in Ubuntu 7.10 anymorethis functionality is moved to hotplug,. and maybe causing your prob. As you said, the NIC was in when Ubuntu was installed. However, some NICs for some curious reason do sometimes change MAC address between powerups. Checkout the file /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . If there are lots of entries in their for different MAC addresses, there is your problem. This file is generated during bootup by /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules. The suggestion at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3816892 suggests to backup and delete these two files. The system will then just assign ethernet devices numbers in the order it finds them, and if it only every finds one NIC then it will always be eth0 Martin On Nov 29, 2007 1:07 AM, Linux Wongy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 23:01 +1100, Heracles wrote: But ubuntu will connect once or twice IF I MOVE THE NETWORK CARD FROM ONE SLOT TO ANOTHER between boots! I don't quite follow exactly what he means. If it is an upgrade, check for a file called /etc/iftab. If it is a new NIC then the old NIC's MAC address may still be hardcoded in there and preventing it from assigning eth0 to it. Simon Wong -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Regards, Martin Martin Visser -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Internet connection speed.
On Thu, May 11, 2006 12:24 pm, Terry Collins wrote: Voytek Eymont wrote: That just shows you who the clueless business people are. If your website isn't set up for 28.8/33.6Kmodem users, then you are loosing an awfull lot of customers. or perhaps avoid a whole swag of tyre kickers who leave smudged fingerprints on the showroom glass, realistically, I they can't afford or are not willing/able to get more modern link, the're most likely not about to buy whatever whilst I agree with you in principle, in reality, well, it's somewhat different few years ago, I was discussing a business web site that was flash-only and, latest-version-flash only, with no non-flash alternative. I suggest to the MD they should have a non-flash alternative the MD asked me why, and I explained not every one had the lastest flash, and, these users couldn't see the site at all I was told 'well, then they're not the sort of clients we're after' I then remembered that my Mum told me never to argue with my sister, so I didn't. as a wise person said, a lot of technically minded ppl leave in a rarified stratum far removed from the real world -- Voytek -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Internet connection speed.
On Thu, May 11, 2006 12:24 pm, Terry Collins wrote:
Voytek Eymont wrote:
300 baud acoustic coupler ?
I'm not sure if i kept it actually {:-).
I haven't, but, I have a couple, brand new, still shrink wrapped, Netcomm
(Telebit?) Trailblazers (I think that's what they're called)I think
they're 19200 something ?
I have a voice/fax gateway using 33600 modems
ocassionally, I need to access internet using such a modem
Oohh, high speed. woa.com.au ran on a 28.8K perm modem link for
about three years. Lol, DDOS and \. were self limiting.
ok, ok:
I had ISP service with 8 dial up lines on a perm. modem link, not sure if
28.8 or 33.6
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Re: [SLUG] Internet connection speed.
On Thursday 11 May 2006 21:31, Voytek Eymont allegedly wrote: few years ago, I was discussing a business web site that was flash-only and, latest-version-flash only, with no non-flash alternative. I suggest to the MD they should have a non-flash alternative the MD asked me why, and I explained not every one had the lastest flash, and, these users couldn't see the site at all I was told 'well, then they're not the sort of clients we're after' Which is fair enough, it's their business. Of course, search engines don't deal well with it either. As a singularly useless datum point, I don't have flash installed, to me there are already enough ways to waste time on the internet. I don't need to see moving pictures to understand content, or hear swooshing sounds when I move my mouse over a link. You can probably guess I have a rant about this, but this thread has already derailed a long time ago. HTML was a great idea, the ability for the browser to decide how to display the content is great. Web monkeys that swung into the picture and declared, 'Everyone has IE4 and an 800x600 screen., just started the whole downhill slide. Graphic designers that whined about layout should have just taken another hit from their bongs, damn hippies :) . Cheers, Malcolm V. P.S. My sig monster understands me, even if few others do. -- It is the quality rather than the quantity that matters. - Lucius Annaeus Seneca (4 B.C. - A.D. 65) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Internet connection speed.
G'day all, Is there any good websites for checking the speed of an internet connection? How can you optimize your connection speed on Ubuntu 5.10, when using dial-up? Thanks, Muz -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Internet connection speed.
Firefox has a extension to test your connection speed https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2450/ On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 21:23 +1000, Murray Waldron wrote: G'day all, Is there any good websites for checking the speed of an internet connection? How can you optimize your connection speed on Ubuntu 5.10, when using dial-up? Thanks, Muz Regards Richard Neal Real Men don't make backups. They upload it via ftp and let the world mirror it. -- Linus Torvalds -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Internet connection speed.
On Wednesday 10 May 2006 21:23, Murray Waldron allegedly wrote: snipped How can you optimize your connection speed on Ubuntu 5.10, when using dial-up? Install a wireless network card, ymmv. ;) Gnash your teeth at the fact that there is still no standard for compressed email exchange. BEGIN: Mal's rant #298(or so) People cry bloat when HTML emails are posted to various lists, yet simple gzip compression would make such emails smaller then regular uncompressed emails. For example: Your post is consuming 3520 bytes of my harddrive space. Richard's reply to your post is consuming 5458 bytes with its wicked HTMLness. Richard's gzipped email is 2243 bytes. It's not like modern CPUs can't handle the load, mail server CPUs are just kicking back browsing internet porn (have you seen the new Conroe duo with her heat shield off? *phooar*) whilst they wait for the disks to thrash. I'd dwell further on the savings in bandwidth and disk space but that's another rant (125 I think). Even web browsing has a compression standard. END: Mal's rant #298 Are you trying to optimize something in particular? For web-browsing, turn off automatic loading of images, etc. Cheers, Malcolm V. -- Blessed is he who expects nothing, for he shall never be disappointed. -- Alexander Pope -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Internet connection speed.
if email speed is a problem, you can always just download subjects (could be an imap only thing) or if your isp provides a shell account (not common anymore) read your email using pine/elm/whatever alas the internet has moved forward and modems are painful to use now. Dean Malcolm V wrote: On Wednesday 10 May 2006 21:23, Murray Waldron allegedly wrote: snipped How can you optimize your connection speed on Ubuntu 5.10, when using dial-up? Install a wireless network card, ymmv. ;) Gnash your teeth at the fact that there is still no standard for compressed email exchange. BEGIN: Mal's rant #298(or so) People cry bloat when HTML emails are posted to various lists, yet simple gzip compression would make such emails smaller then regular uncompressed emails. For example: Your post is consuming 3520 bytes of my harddrive space. Richard's reply to your post is consuming 5458 bytes with its wicked HTMLness. Richard's gzipped email is 2243 bytes. It's not like modern CPUs can't handle the load, mail server CPUs are just kicking back browsing internet porn (have you seen the new Conroe duo with her heat shield off? *phooar*) whilst they wait for the disks to thrash. I'd dwell further on the savings in bandwidth and disk space but that's another rant (125 I think). Even web browsing has a compression standard. END: Mal's rant #298 Are you trying to optimize something in particular? For web-browsing, turn off automatic loading of images, etc. Cheers, Malcolm V. -- WWW: http://deanpatrick.tk LAN: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Internet connection speed.
www.ozspeedtest.com www.bandwidthplace.com/speedtest On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 21:23 +1000, Murray Waldron wrote: G'day all, Is there any good websites for checking the speed of an internet connection? How can you optimize your connection speed on Ubuntu 5.10, when using dial-up? Thanks, Muz -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Internet connection speed
http://www.zdnet.com.au/broadband/speedtest.htm The speed test at the above link says it tests broadband, but would presumably test dial-up as well. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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On Wednesday 10 May 2006 23:51, Dean Hamstead allegedly wrote: snipped alas the internet has moved forward and modems are painful to use now. I simply don't agree with this statement. Dialup has the disadvantages of tying up your phone line (the cost of a second line rental is more then some cheap broadband options), the call costs themselves and the comparably low bandwidth. Having started on a 1200/300 baud modem, I don't consider 48000 baud painful. Of course, most people serious about the internet are using some form of high speed connection (ie: most people in software development, web content, instant messaging, etc), but for them to dismiss dialup users as living in the past is merely a form of bandwith snobbery. They are not an insignificant minority ( *waves to OS/2 zealots, Amiga users* ;P ). The funny thing is that dialup users are constantly indirectly benefitting from the steps developers take to reduce the load on their limited resources (their distribution servers generally). Of course, the developers generally only take these steps when they hit their resource limits (no surprise there), rather then from the start when the only one suffering are those poor dialup Luddites. Bleh, I could rant on incoherently about this for pages. One of the reasons I use Linux is that it allows me to (try to) get the most out of what I already have, rather then console myself that the next big thing will solve a particular problem. Cheers, Malcolm V. P.S. Anyone want to offer a classification for this sig monster offering, I gave it a (PG). -- There once was a Scot named McAmeter With a tool of prodigious diameter. It was not the size That cause such surprise; 'Twas his rhythm -- iambic pentameter. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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i didnt use the words living in the past my comments was that the internet has moved forward. by that i mean, most content is now aimed at higher speed connections. there is more moving stuff on webpages, more images etc. things that are trivial on dsl etc are something of a commitment on dial up. that is all. Dean Malcolm V wrote: On Wednesday 10 May 2006 23:51, Dean Hamstead allegedly wrote: snipped alas the internet has moved forward and modems are painful to use now. I simply don't agree with this statement. Dialup has the disadvantages of tying up your phone line (the cost of a second line rental is more then some cheap broadband options), the call costs themselves and the comparably low bandwidth. Having started on a 1200/300 baud modem, I don't consider 48000 baud painful. Of course, most people serious about the internet are using some form of high speed connection (ie: most people in software development, web content, instant messaging, etc), but for them to dismiss dialup users as living in the past is merely a form of bandwith snobbery. They are not an insignificant minority ( *waves to OS/2 zealots, Amiga users* ;P ). The funny thing is that dialup users are constantly indirectly benefitting from the steps developers take to reduce the load on their limited resources (their distribution servers generally). Of course, the developers generally only take these steps when they hit their resource limits (no surprise there), rather then from the start when the only one suffering are those poor dialup Luddites. Bleh, I could rant on incoherently about this for pages. One of the reasons I use Linux is that it allows me to (try to) get the most out of what I already have, rather then console myself that the next big thing will solve a particular problem. Cheers, Malcolm V. P.S. Anyone want to offer a classification for this sig monster offering, I gave it a (PG). -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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On Thu, May 11, 2006 9:29 am, Malcolm V wrote: On Wednesday 10 May 2006 23:51, Dean Hamstead allegedly wrote: snipped alas the internet has moved forward and modems are painful to use now. I simply don't agree with this statement. Dialup has the disadvantages of tying up your phone line (the cost of a second line rental is more then some cheap broadband options), the call costs themselves and the comparably low bandwidth. Having started on a 1200/300 baud modem, I don't consider 48000 baud painful. 300 baud acoustic coupler ? I have a voice/fax gateway using 33600 modems ocassionally, I need to access internet using such a modem maybe not painfull for ssh... but, if not painfull, for web browsing, certainly good character building... Of course, most people serious about the internet are using some form of high speed connection (ie: most people in software development, web content, instant messaging, etc), but for them to dismiss dialup users as living in the past is merely a form of bandwith snobbery. yes, but: a brand new windoze XP SP2 system will need about 50MB updates out of the box... getting that succesfully down on a dial up is not my idea of exciting afternoon... (weekend..?) not exactly very practical They are not an insignificant minority ( *waves to OS/2 zealots, Amiga users* ;P ). here's waving back: still love it after all these years -- Voytek -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Internet connection speed.
Voytek Eymont wrote:
300 baud acoustic coupler ?
I'm not sure if i kept it actually {:-).
I have a voice/fax gateway using 33600 modems
ocassionally, I need to access internet using such a modem
Oohh, high speed. woa.com.au ran on a 28.8K perm modem link for
about three years. Lol, DDOS and \. were self limiting.
maybe not painfull for ssh...
but, if not painfull, for web browsing, certainly good character building...
That just shows you who the clueless business people are.
If your website isn't set up for 28.8/33.6Kmodem users, then you are
loosing an awfull lot of customers.
yes, but: a brand new windoze XP SP2 system will need about 50MB updates
out of the box... getting that succesfully down on a dial up is not my
idea of exciting afternoon... (weekend..?)
not exactly very practical
Posted CDs are usually cheap and useful for when you have to do the
inevitable re-install.
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Murray Waldron wrote: How can you optimize your connection speed on Ubuntu 5.10, when using dial-up? You shouldn't need to do anything for dial-up beyond checking that PPP is using VJ header compression and some sort of data compression. I'm afraid that after checking those that what you have is what you have :-( For faster links I've got a small pamphlet on TCP tuning at http://www.aarnet.edu.au/~gdt/presentations/2006-05-11-cebit-pamphlet/ Cheers, Glen -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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Hi, Well I think I have finally worked it out as to how to connect to internet. It takes a while and I have to be hit on the head a few times but eventially it stays in my head. Thanks for all your help as I am now using Linux to send you this email. It is great not to have to go back to that other OS to send your mail. Thanks again. Paul -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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Paul, I think a little bit more information is required to help you. Do you dial-up or ADSL? If the latter, is the modem setup to allow you to use PPPoE ? Just in case you are well beyond this, have you used Mandrake's control centre to setup your connection ? Phil On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:41 pm, Paul Maloney wrote: Hi, My name is Paul and I am very new to Linux, My system is a Intel pent 4, 3 gh with a 120gb hd and I have allocated 30gb to Linux. I am running Mandrake 9.2 and love it, everything runs ok except my internet connection. When I try to go on line I get a Localhost error. can anyone help an old dumb fellow. Thanks, Paul -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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Hi, My name is Paul and I am very new to Linux, My system is a Intel pent 4, 3 gh with a 120gb hd and I have allocated 30gb to Linux. I am running Mandrake 9.2 and love it, everything runs ok except my internet connection. When I try to go on line I get a Localhost error. can anyone help an old dumb fellow. Thanks, Paul -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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Hi Paul Can you give us more detail about the error? The full text of the error message would be ideal, as well as some more detail about what you mean by go online - does this mean firing up a web browser? running a pon script? On 8/12/05, Paul Maloney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, My name is Paul and I am very new to Linux, My system is a Intel pent 4, 3 gh with a 120gb hd and I have allocated 30gb to Linux. I am running Mandrake 9.2 and love it, everything runs ok except my internet connection. When I try to go on line I get a Localhost error. can anyone help an old dumb fellow. Thanks, Paul -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- There is nothing more worthy of contempt than a man who quotes himself - Zhasper, 2005 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Internet connection problems.
as a newbie to this biz ... i dunno if i right or not ... but i use mandrake 9 and i had the same kinda problem with connecting to the internet... which i fixed as per http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/errata.php3#gateway Error scenario: You have an ethernet card for the local LAN and a modem for internet access and you can't reach the internet. Why: Drakconnect wrongly asks for a gateway, and ppp can't set your modem connection as the default route. Solution: As root, edit /etc/sysconfig/network and manually remove the GATEWAY entry. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Internet connection problems.
I have been using RedHat 7.2 in the KDE Desktop and the KPPP Internet Connection Utility without any problems at all using the Default settings for the KPPP progie. I have acquired Mandrake 8.0 and subsequently Mandrake 9.0 and RdHat 8.0 but cannot get a connection going with my I.S.P. (AAPT/Smartchat) using the same setup as for the R-H 7.2 Running KPPP in these releases and in each instance finds the Modem, Dials the correct number, obtains a handshake and displays CONNECT 56000 on the Debug Window. At this time, the Status window at the bottom of the Debug Window displays Starting pppd. This is as far as the connection gets. The line is clearly open and held by the I.S.P. Terminal but no dialogue takes place. I have checked (and re-checked) the KPPP settings, had a look at the pap.secrets in /etc/ppp but all to no avail. The one setting which might have some bearing on the problem is under KPPP etc. SCRIPT In the R-H 7.2 setup which I have used for yonks, there is no script used, BUT perhaps un-beknown to me, PERHAPS the latest R-H/Mandrake releases may require it. I would have tried this myself except that a Script MUST be precise, and frankly I have not been able to deduce this myself, and apparently nobody else I know of has any better propositions. I have tried using EZ-NET and WVDIAL also but in both instances make the same progression as in KPPP/pppd with the same result. Needless to say, AAPT/Smartchat respond to any approach for assistance with the usual hostility toward those benighted souls who persist in the heresy of Linux! Will you pleae be so kind as to forward my E-Mail to whosoever might be willing to enlighten me. Thank you, kind regards, Len Bird
Re: [SLUG] Internet Connection
DJ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: cpaul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, October 19, 2001 10:03 am Subject: Re: [SLUG] Internet Connection your figures come to c. A$170 per gig for international traffic. why? is it because of telstra, or what? Could it be that we have a population __less than 2%__ that of the USA? US Population: 2.85*10^8 Aus Population: 1.93*10^7 (1.93*10^7)/(2.85*10^8) = 0.068 = 6.8% 6.8% 2% On the other hand, our political clout on the world arena is definitely less than 2% that of the US.. -- :%s/[Ll]inux/GNU\/Linux/g -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Internet Connection
Add to which the distance Perth to Sydney is probably more than SF to NY and there is a lot less inbetween in the former case. On 18 Oct 2001, Raoul Golan wrote: DJ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: cpaul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, October 19, 2001 10:03 am Subject: Re: [SLUG] Internet Connection your figures come to c. A$170 per gig for international traffic. why? is it because of telstra, or what? Could it be that we have a population __less than 2%__ that of the USA? US Population: 2.85*10^8 Aus Population: 1.93*10^7 (1.93*10^7)/(2.85*10^8) = 0.068 = 6.8% 6.8% 2% On the other hand, our political clout on the world arena is definitely less than 2% that of the US.. -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates - Your Linux people Contact detail at http://www.lannetlinux.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Internet Connection
On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, cpaul wrote: Our domestic charge for Optus traffic is 11c / Mbyte, and 17c for International, on an ATM fibre network. why are these costs so high, peter? overseas $90/month is common for unlimited downloads via cable or dsl. i have a dedicated server in the states - i am charged US$3 per gig there. your figures come to c. A$170 per gig for international traffic. why? is it because of telstra, or what? Simple answer - because the US backbone carriers charge on an unrealistic price model. Australia pays for _all_ traffic - inbound and outbound - to the country. Which means that for the estimated 40% of traffic which actually originates _in_ Australia we get to pay for that as well. Add to that the fact that Telstra makes an incredible profit on data charges, and rips off every single downlink they have by charging more wholesale than they do retail, and you get the price situation in Australia. Broadband is not the issue. Half the country could have broadband tomorrow. Trouble is, most of them couldn't afford to use it because of the ridiculous charges imposed for data transferred. DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
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On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, DJ! wrote:
your figures come to c. A$170 per gig for international traffic.
why? is it because of telstra, or what?
Could it be that we have a population __less than 2%__ that of the USA?
Similarly, could it be that Australia's GDP stands at a measly
USD440billion, compared to the USA's USD10trillion? After all, we're
talking about supporting (read: paying for) a massive infrastructure
investment of a size only relatively smaller than in the USA.
That logic explains higher installation and monthly charges, it does _not_
explain higher data charges - especially when you consider that new
technology has made the same data path {I.E. pair of fiber} approximately
80 times more efficient at carrying data than when it was installed with
minimal to low infrastructure upgrade costs.
DaZZa
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Re: [SLUG] Internet Connection
This one time, at band camp, Raoul Golan wrote: US Population: 2.85*10^8 Aus Population: 1.93*10^7 (1.93*10^7)/(2.85*10^8) = 0.068 = 6.8% 6.8% 2% Whatever. This thread has been done to death in the archives, the common answers are that this country doesn't have the infrastructure, nor the userbase, to compete with the USA on broadband prices. So take it to -chat, off list, or go read the SLUG archives. Perhaps this should be a FAQ? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg Balial This port may thing it's fortified, butt I seem to be mounting a pretty good assault -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Internet Connection
On 18 Oct 2001, at 16:30, DJ! wrote: Could it be that we have a population __less than 2%__ that of the USA? Could that, in fact, be around 5%? Aus pop is around 17mill, USA pop is around 350mill. Similarly, could it be that Australia's GDP stands at a measly USD440billion, compared to the USA's USD10trillion? After all, we're talking about supporting (read: paying for) a massive infrastructure investment of a size only relatively smaller than in the USA. We have already paid for it as taxpayers, remember? Gnuthad PGP Key Block available at: http://aussie.mine.nu/aussie/pgp_key.txt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Internet Connection
At 2:13 pm, Thursday, October 18 2001, David Fitch mumbled: so that's an average of 13Gb per month. no chance, but let me know if you do find one! have a look at ihug (or a reseller) satellite, at least the extra per Mb rates are much better than anywhere else (although unfortunately it's still a modem backchannel). 13Gb? On ihug satalite? Okay, let's see. You get 2Gb free, which gives 11Gb left to pay for, and an average of 5 cents a Mb.. steven@broken:~$ echo 'scale=2;((11*1024)*5)/100' | bc 563.20 And then we find out how much the extra hours will cost. (You're charged $1.65 for every hour over 300) steven@broken:~$ echo 'scale=2;((168*4)-300)*1.65' | bc 613.80 Add $60 for the monthly fee, and you've got yourself a $1,237 invoice from ihug, for one month. Phillipus, keep dreaming, you have absolutely no hope at all in the next year to get the kind of access you want for $90 a month. -- Steve mathieu99 sid seems much harder to setup than stable! Vakor mathieu99: that's why stable is called stable, and sid isn't. PGP signature
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Almost as importantly... What the HELL do you need that much bandwidth for? Generally, anyone moving 300-400 meg a day is making enough money to justify paying for the bandwidth... Adam - Original Message - From: Gnuthad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 2:41 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Internet Connection On 18 Oct 2001, at 16:30, DJ! wrote: Could it be that we have a population __less than 2%__ that of the USA? Could that, in fact, be around 5%? Aus pop is around 17mill, USA pop is around 350mill. Similarly, could it be that Australia's GDP stands at a measly USD440billion, compared to the USA's USD10trillion? After all, we're talking about supporting (read: paying for) a massive infrastructure investment of a size only relatively smaller than in the USA. We have already paid for it as taxpayers, remember? Gnuthad PGP Key Block available at: http://aussie.mine.nu/aussie/pgp_key.txt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Internet Connection
On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 02:54:54AM +1000, Steve Kowalik wrote: At 2:13 pm, Thursday, October 18 2001, David Fitch mumbled: so that's an average of 13Gb per month. no chance, but let me know if you do find one! have a look at ihug (or a reseller) satellite, at least the extra per Mb rates are much better than anywhere else (although unfortunately it's still a modem backchannel). 13Gb? On ihug satalite? Okay, let's see. 13Gb at ave 5c/Mb is better than 13Gb at 20c/Mb (telstra BP direct rates) You get 2Gb free, which gives 11Gb left to pay for, and an average of 5 cents a Mb.. for an extra $15pm you get an extra 2Gb steven@broken:~$ echo 'scale=2;((11*1024)*5)/100' | bc 563.20 And then we find out how much the extra hours will cost. (You're charged $1.65 for every hour over 300) that's going on an ihug plan. The resellers seem to be able to do a perm connection for the same or less, I guess it's cos they don't include the modem dialin (the sat is always on anyway it's just the modem dialin that ihug limit). steven@broken:~$ echo 'scale=2;((168*4)-300)*1.65' | bc 613.80 Add $60 for the monthly fee, and you've got yourself a $1,237 invoice from ihug, for one month. you could get it down to approx half that but still... Phillipus, keep dreaming, you have absolutely no hope at all in the next year to get the kind of access you want for $90 a month. agreed (except for optus cable maybe). Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
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On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:17:40 +1000 Peter Rundle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would find this slightly hard to believe as most dial-ups are between $20-$30/month and offer up too 300MB free. Allthough I don't have access to wholesale rates I can't see how so many long-term ISP's could run like this if that were the case. Our domestic charge for Optus traffic is 11c / Mbyte, and 17c for International, on an ATM fibre network. why are these costs so high, peter? overseas $90/month is common for unlimited downloads via cable or dsl. i have a dedicated server in the states - i am charged US$3 per gig there. your figures come to c. A$170 per gig for international traffic. why? is it because of telstra, or what? -- chris paul -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Internet Connection
- Original Message - From: cpaul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, October 19, 2001 10:03 am Subject: Re: [SLUG] Internet Connection your figures come to c. A$170 per gig for international traffic. why? is it because of telstra, or what? Could it be that we have a population __less than 2%__ that of the USA? Similarly, could it be that Australia's GDP stands at a measly USD440billion, compared to the USA's USD10trillion? After all, we're talking about supporting (read: paying for) a massive infrastructure investment of a size only relatively smaller than in the USA. DJ! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] internet connection and bind
On Sat, May 05, 2001 at 03:25:12AM +1000, Jeff Waugh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: quote who=Jobst Schmalenbach Is there a way telling for example bind to be based on the eth0 device instead of being based on the ppp0 device? How do you mean 'based on'? You can use the listen-on BIND directive to have it attach to a given interface's IP address. You'll need to explain this a little better. :) Correct. Reading it now doesnt make much sense to me either. It was early in the morning and I tried to get my PPP connection to start using the default scripts supplied in RH71, once I got that to work it didnt restart if the connection was broken. So I wrote my on little ppp-watch and it works now. I shouldnt have written that mail at that time of day. I take your suggestion though and read up on that. thanks Jeff. Jobst PS: regarding the PPP connection. After the install when it rebooted it simply stopped continuing in the scripts, although -detach was set and exec was used. I even read the code and couldnt understand why it was stopping script execution at that point. -- Microsoft message: Abort, retry, try again, try once more, confirm one more attempt, PANIC! |__, Jobst Schmalenbach, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Technical Director| | _ _.--'-n_/ Barrett Consulting Group P/L The Meditation Room P/L | |-(_)--(_)= +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia| -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] internet connection and bind
All, I am not sure whether there is a solution to this. Assume a machine with a ppp device and an eth0 device. When the internet connection goes down, the machine loses that IP Address of the ppp connection, with that goes the HOSTNAME, too. The ethernet card is still up, with that there exist a second hostname. Is there a way telling for example bind to be based on the eth0 device instead of being based on the ppp0 device? jobst -- A loving atmosphere in your home is the foundation for your life. |__, Jobst Schmalenbach, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Technical Director| | _ _.--'-n_/ Barrett Consulting Group P/L The Meditation Room P/L | |-(_)--(_)= +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia| -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] internet connection and bind
quote who=Jobst Schmalenbach Is there a way telling for example bind to be based on the eth0 device instead of being based on the ppp0 device? How do you mean 'based on'? You can use the listen-on BIND directive to have it attach to a given interface's IP address. You'll need to explain this a little better. :) - Jeff -- She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
