Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
Hi Steven, Sorry for this enormous delay with reply and thank you for detailed answer. I think you showing a brilliant example of good parenting - thoughtful and thorough. While I praise your attitude for introducing your son to GNU/Linux and games may I ask what games you consider to be your favorite so far? Your experience may helpful for some of us. I respect your agnostic position regarding GNU/Linux distribution even though I disagree. :) I realized that in this short email I can't properly explain why I called Mandriva impaired comparing to Debian. I hope to clarify the matter in the essay I'm writing so hopefully I'll send you a link to it some time later when it will be finished. (if you don't mind). Regards, Dmitry. On 3 July 2011 17:42, Steven Tucker tux...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Dmitry, You do bring up some valid points. I was a Debian user for a very long time mainly due to the very wide range of packages, unmatched by any other distro I tried (I have all my servers running Debian or Ubuntu LTS, including an academic computing cluster). I am though, almost totally Distro agnostic. If it's GNU/Linux it will be familiar enough not to get in the way of doing stuff, and there will be a way to get what I want, it basically just comes down to the amount of effort. I moved to Ubuntu which at the time (may still be the case) had less packages, if I wanted something obscure it was far more likely to be packaged in Debian, but I moved never the less, as Ubuntu required less configuring and for the most part required less effort. Moving to Mandriva is much the same. It is GNU/Linux so has all the tools and capabilities I am after, as for range of packages, so far it has had everything I wanted and more, if there are some more obscure packages that it does not have, then on balance, overall I would still be happy to use Mandriva and build/package the 1 or 2 programs I want, though as I said, there is nothing yet that has not been available. As far as preinstalling the games, part of the fun for him is being independent and searching for games, he seems to find it quite rewarding being able to do this himself. If he breaks something, no problem its his computer. He then gets to do the install process, more fun and learning. It's not a choice between a distro and time with my son. His computer is in the living room and fully supervised at all times (even youtube can be disturbing at times). The whole distro change was totally done in consultation with my son, every choice was confirmed by him. In time, if he is interested and wants to learn, I will teach him how to do things on the command line, and hopefully how to program. The computer is not used as a babysitter, it is very much the opposite, it's a chance for him to learn by looking things up, or learning how to use it. I didn't even make the decision for him to use Linux, I gave him a dual boot system (with windows7) and he chose to use Linux only, as he used windows at school, so his logic was he could learn something else at home (I was very proud!). We end up discussing aspect of computing in general, or FOSS. I certainly wouldn't call Mandriva impaired. Anyway, it's interesting to hear different points of view, but for my son right now, Mandriva is the right choice. If next month he prefers Debian, or OpenSuse or Fedora or Ubuntu or gnome3 over KDE then in this fantastic ecosystem called FOSS, he is empowered to change, as often as he likes. The only criteria is that it is what he wants to do, even if its just to try something different, or just for fun. Cheers Tuxta -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 11:55 +1000, onlyjob wrote: Hi Steven, Sorry for this enormous delay with reply and thank you for detailed answer. Suse, RedHat, Debian and Ubuntu. I have used them all, all quite good and the code base is pretty much the same. What I prefer is different to what you do for different reasons. (Ubuntu with Unity switched OFF!!!) The package management of today is nothing like before Debian got it right. The other distributions have followed suite and cleaned up their package managers I am sure that the problems of old are now just history. Ken -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
Hi Dmitry, You do bring up some valid points. I was a Debian user for a very long time mainly due to the very wide range of packages, unmatched by any other distro I tried (I have all my servers running Debian or Ubuntu LTS, including an academic computing cluster). I am though, almost totally Distro agnostic. If it's GNU/Linux it will be familiar enough not to get in the way of doing stuff, and there will be a way to get what I want, it basically just comes down to the amount of effort. I moved to Ubuntu which at the time (may still be the case) had less packages, if I wanted something obscure it was far more likely to be packaged in Debian, but I moved never the less, as Ubuntu required less configuring and for the most part required less effort. Moving to Mandriva is much the same. It is GNU/Linux so has all the tools and capabilities I am after, as for range of packages, so far it has had everything I wanted and more, if there are some more obscure packages that it does not have, then on balance, overall I would still be happy to use Mandriva and build/package the 1 or 2 programs I want, though as I said, there is nothing yet that has not been available. As far as preinstalling the games, part of the fun for him is being independent and searching for games, he seems to find it quite rewarding being able to do this himself. If he breaks something, no problem its his computer. He then gets to do the install process, more fun and learning. It's not a choice between a distro and time with my son. His computer is in the living room and fully supervised at all times (even youtube can be disturbing at times). The whole distro change was totally done in consultation with my son, every choice was confirmed by him. In time, if he is interested and wants to learn, I will teach him how to do things on the command line, and hopefully how to program. The computer is not used as a babysitter, it is very much the opposite, it's a chance for him to learn by looking things up, or learning how to use it. I didn't even make the decision for him to use Linux, I gave him a dual boot system (with windows7) and he chose to use Linux only, as he used windows at school, so his logic was he could learn something else at home (I was very proud!). We end up discussing aspect of computing in general, or FOSS. I certainly wouldn't call Mandriva impaired. Anyway, it's interesting to hear different points of view, but for my son right now, Mandriva is the right choice. If next month he prefers Debian, or OpenSuse or Fedora or Ubuntu or gnome3 over KDE then in this fantastic ecosystem called FOSS, he is empowered to change, as often as he likes. The only criteria is that it is what he wants to do, even if its just to try something different, or just for fun. Cheers Tuxta From: onlyjob only...@gmail.com To: Steven Tucker tux...@yahoo.com.au Cc: SLUG slug@slug.org.au Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2011 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian Perhaps I'm missing something obvious but why not just preinstall all the games? I prefer keeping kid away from package management besides the fact that some games' setup in ScummVM, Wine or Dosbox may be quite not trivial. In the old days when I didn't know about Debian, Mandriva was looking attractive but nowadays I wouldn't recommend it because it would mean a lot less flexibility. Did you compare amount of games available in Debian and Mandriva? What's the numbers? Does Mandriva make any sense if it have no game you like when Debian have it? It appears to me that least important criteria was used for choosing a distribution. There are also some benefits of having the same GNU/Linux on all home computers. Synaptic is not so difficult after all and maybe all the effort ant time spent for experimenting with package managers could be better spent for teaching and training? If choosing between spending time together with kid helping to learn how to install software and spending time with impaired GNU/Linux distributions the first seems to be a better investment of time. Regards, Dmitry. On 3 July 2011 10:08, Steven Tucker tux...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Thus spake Steven Tucker: For some reason there is a huge issue with Kubuntu and his hardware that I have given up trying to fix, so I have installed Debian (wheezy) and we both absolutely love it. The problem is it does not come with something like software center on KDE, and he is not about to start using apt! (least not till next year). Can you not run software-center on Kubuntu or am I missing something obvious here? If Kubuntu ran on his machine this thread probably would not have occurred. The part I think you may have missed above was the line For some reason there is a huge issue with Kubuntu and his hardware that I have given up trying to fix, so I have installed Debian We ended up settling on Mandriva, my son is able
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
From: Erwin Mueller erwin.muel...@deventm.org To: slug@slug.org.au Sent: Saturday, 2 July 2011 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian Hi, I'm using Fedora 15 with KDE4 and for installing new software I'm using KPackageKit. Is KPackageKit not available in Debian? http://www.packagekit.org/pk-download.html Thanks for the suggestion, I looked into Kpackagekit and looks like the ticket, though I wasn't sure if there was an update notifier integrated with it. I have had a couple of annoyances with Wheezy though, and am a little concerned it may break with the rolling release set up so started looking around on the distro front. We are trialing Mandriva atm, it has an easy to use gui package manager which my son has already started using. It seems conservative enough to be stable, but updates often enough to keep us happy. They are working on an even better gui package manager for the next release so look forward to that. If we don't encounter any show stoppers my son will stick with KDE on Mandriva, fingers crossed. Thanks for everyones input. Tuxta -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
Thus spake Steven Tucker: For some reason there is a huge issue with Kubuntu and his hardware that I have given up trying to fix, so I have installed Debian (wheezy) and we both absolutely love it. The problem is it does not come with something like software center on KDE, and he is not about to start using apt! (least not till next year). Can you not run software-center on Kubuntu or am I missing something obvious here? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
Thus spake Steven Tucker: For some reason there is a huge issue with Kubuntu and his hardware that I have given up trying to fix, so I have installed Debian (wheezy) and we both absolutely love it. The problem is it does not come with something like software center on KDE, and he is not about to start using apt! (least not till next year). Can you not run software-center on Kubuntu or am I missing something obvious here? If Kubuntu ran on his machine this thread probably would not have occurred. The part I think you may have missed above was the line For some reason there is a huge issue with Kubuntu and his hardware that I have given up trying to fix, so I have installed Debian We ended up settling on Mandriva, my son is able to keep it up to date and install software through easy gui tools. It installed easily, everything worked and with the PLF repo's we have everything we could want software wise. I have found urmpi to be a capable alternative to apt. I'm so impressed actually, I am considering making the move on my workstation. Cheers Tuxta -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
Perhaps I'm missing something obvious but why not just preinstall all the games? I prefer keeping kid away from package management besides the fact that some games' setup in ScummVM, Wine or Dosbox may be quite not trivial. In the old days when I didn't know about Debian, Mandriva was looking attractive but nowadays I wouldn't recommend it because it would mean a lot less flexibility. Did you compare amount of games available in Debian and Mandriva? What's the numbers? Does Mandriva make any sense if it have no game you like when Debian have it? It appears to me that least important criteria was used for choosing a distribution. There are also some benefits of having the same GNU/Linux on all home computers. Synaptic is not so difficult after all and maybe all the effort ant time spent for experimenting with package managers could be better spent for teaching and training? If choosing between spending time together with kid helping to learn how to install software and spending time with impaired GNU/Linux distributions the first seems to be a better investment of time. Regards, Dmitry. On 3 July 2011 10:08, Steven Tucker tux...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Thus spake Steven Tucker: For some reason there is a huge issue with Kubuntu and his hardware that I have given up trying to fix, so I have installed Debian (wheezy) and we both absolutely love it. The problem is it does not come with something like software center on KDE, and he is not about to start using apt! (least not till next year). Can you not run software-center on Kubuntu or am I missing something obvious here? If Kubuntu ran on his machine this thread probably would not have occurred. The part I think you may have missed above was the line For some reason there is a huge issue with Kubuntu and his hardware that I have given up trying to fix, so I have installed Debian We ended up settling on Mandriva, my son is able to keep it up to date and install software through easy gui tools. It installed easily, everything worked and with the PLF repo's we have everything we could want software wise. I have found urmpi to be a capable alternative to apt. I'm so impressed actually, I am considering making the move on my workstation. Cheers Tuxta -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
We ended up settling on Mandriva, my son is able to keep it up to date and install software through easy gui tools. It installed easily, everything worked and with the PLF repo's we have everything we could want software wise. I have found urmpi to be a capable alternative to apt. I'm so impressed actually, I am considering making the move on my workstation. Good for you. Mandriva is a superb distro which is mostly overlooked in this country. It has better than most hardware support and its Control Centre is one of the best around. Urpmi is very, very good but I have to confess that I find Yum a little better. I have used Mandriva for about 10 years and have never found it lacking although I am having a flirt with Fedora 15 right now for no real reason other than to see what the rest are doing. Mageia (Mandriva's fork) has better artwork but is, for release 1.0, a little lacking in the driver department. Right now it is a better looking Mandriva. Mandriva does KDE4 better than any other distro I have tried. This will start a war no doubt but these are my humble findings. I have used Linux since 1996 and as my desktop of choice since 1999 when things were a lot harder to do. By comparison now, Linux borders on boring because it works so well. Enjoy! Rick -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
Sorry forgot to mention that in Debian there is a nice package 'goplay' - it's some kind of a games database with screenshots. It may be quite helpful to choose which game to install. Dmitry. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
Thus spake Steven Tucker: If Kubuntu ran on his machine this thread probably would not have occurred. The part I think you may have missed above was the line For some reason there is a huge issue with Kubuntu and his hardware that I have given up trying to fix, so I have installed Debian /me slaps self Yes, I misread that above. I blame it on the funny font rendering in Windows 7, which I posted from then. ;-) In any case, software-center runs fine on Debian as well (it ships in the default desktop task) so you’re all set. They even couldn’t be bothered stripping the Ubuntu branding (apart from the logo) so visually it’s indistinguishable. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
'tis a thing of beauty! :) - Subject: Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian David Lyon david.lyon.preissh...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 12:57:35 +1000 To: slug@slug.org.au Patrick, When you say GUI ? do you mean something like this ? -http://lcdproc.org/:-) a bit of hacking and perhaps you can get a graphics lcd working.. then he can have pixels.. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
Hi, I'm using Fedora 15 with KDE4 and for installing new software I'm using KPackageKit. Is KPackageKit not available in Debian? http://www.packagekit.org/pk-download.html On Thursday, June 30, 2011 09:57:47 AM Steven Tucker wrote: Hi sluggers, quick background to problem: My son (6 yrs old) has been running Ubuntu for over a year, he keeps it up to date and installs games himself through the use of software center. As he has been an independent user capable of selecting and installing the software *he* wants, it would be very sad if he had to start relying on me. So now we come to the problem . with the inevitable move to from gnome2 to Unity or Gnome3, we looked at what environment he might like to choose. He decided he would like to use KDE, which may have been influenced by the fact that it is the choice I made, but never the less that is what he has chosen. For some reason there is a huge issue with Kubuntu and his hardware that I have given up trying to fix, so I have installed Debian (wheezy) and we both absolutely love it. The problem is it does not come with something like software center on KDE, and he is not about to start using apt! (least not till next year). Synaptic is not as simple as software center, I have read that there are issues getting software center running on Debian Wheezy, and if at all possible I would prefer a Qt/KDE solution. I have seen online Muon, which looks exactly like what I am after, easy software selection, integrated update notifier etc. But is not yet in Debian. Has anyone else come across this issue and found a suitable solution? We are sticking with KDE, are open to changing distro (but prefer not to) and would like relatively up to date software but not bleeding edge (so probably not Fedora or at the other end Debian stable). Thanks in advance Tuxta -- Erwin Mueller http://www.global-scaling-institute.de/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
Hi sluggers, quick background to problem: My son (6 yrs old) has been running Ubuntu for over a year, he keeps it up to date and installs games himself through the use of software center. As he has been an independent user capable of selecting and installing the software *he* wants, it would be very sad if he had to start relying on me. So now we come to the problem . with the inevitable move to from gnome2 to Unity or Gnome3, we looked at what environment he might like to choose. He decided he would like to use KDE, which may have been influenced by the fact that it is the choice I made, but never the less that is what he has chosen. For some reason there is a huge issue with Kubuntu and his hardware that I have given up trying to fix, so I have installed Debian (wheezy) and we both absolutely love it. The problem is it does not come with something like software center on KDE, and he is not about to start using apt! (least not till next year). Synaptic is not as simple as software center, I have read that there are issues getting software center running on Debian Wheezy, and if at all possible I would prefer a Qt/KDE solution. I have seen online Muon, which looks exactly like what I am after, easy software selection, integrated update notifier etc. But is not yet in Debian. Has anyone else come across this issue and found a suitable solution? We are sticking with KDE, are open to changing distro (but prefer not to) and would like relatively up to date software but not bleeding edge (so probably not Fedora or at the other end Debian stable). Thanks in advance Tuxta -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
I sort of sympathise. Maybe you need to teach him apt-get install . . in the command shell... Six years is very young.. but today I saw a boy in a pram playing with some sort of game device.. he's a boy.. apt-get is a boys toy really.. On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Steven Tucker tux...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi sluggers, quick background to problem: My son (6 yrs old) has been running Ubuntu for over a year, he keeps it up to date and installs games himself through the use of software center. As he has been an independent user capable of selecting and installing the software *he* wants, it would be very sad if he had to start relying on me. So now we come to the problem . with the inevitable move to from gnome2 to Unity or Gnome3, we looked at what environment he might like to choose. He decided he would like to use KDE, which may have been influenced by the fact that it is the choice I made, but never the less that is what he has chosen. For some reason there is a huge issue with Kubuntu and his hardware that I have given up trying to fix, so I have installed Debian (wheezy) and we both absolutely love it. The problem is it does not come with something like software center on KDE, and he is not about to start using apt! (least not till next year). Synaptic is not as simple as software center, I have read that there are issues getting software center running on Debian Wheezy, and if at all possible I would prefer a Qt/KDE solution. I have seen online Muon, which looks exactly like what I am after, easy software selection, integrated update notifier etc. But is not yet in Debian. Has anyone else come across this issue and found a suitable solution? We are sticking with KDE, are open to changing distro (but prefer not to) and would like relatively up to date software but not bleeding edge (so probably not Fedora or at the other end Debian stable). Thanks in advance Tuxta -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/**mailinglists.htmlhttp://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:55:18PM +1000, David Lyon wrote: he's a boy.. apt-get is a boys toy really.. You're saying apt-get isn't a suitable tool for girls? Nick. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
On 01/07/11 00:39, Nick Andrew wrote: On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:55:18PM +1000, David Lyon wrote: he's a boy.. apt-get is a boys toy really.. You're saying apt-get isn't a suitable tool for girls? Nick. Maybe I am selling him short, but his younger brother (only 4) will be joining the ranks soon, and I think he will still need a nice gui with pictures, so the problem remains. Thanks for your input though. Just on a side note, when I stopped to think about it, its quite interesting that a 6 year old can jump straight in and find software and install it independently (one day I came home and he had installed about 8 new games), but a lot of adults, some in the university I work at, cant make the move to linux because its harder to install software than Windows!?!? If my son had to google for software, navigate to the appropriate website, download the software, navigate to the download and double click, next next next, he would not be installing much at all. Old dog, new tricks perhaps? Tuxta -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, A. Not sure if this is suitable, but Software Center is available in Debian 6 and looks sort of similar the the Software Center in Ubuntu 11.04. B. Why KDE on Debian instead of the Classic interface in Ubuntu 11.04? NOTE: I also can't stand Unity but then I don't like KDE either. Heracles -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4M//4ACgkQybPcBAs9CE9mrgCgu3kwskxHmITnEgmwnljxObwq pQQAn1mqRO44iNlDABBY3hvGb1cQx2Wn =v4xE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
On 01/07/11 09:00, Heracles wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, A. Not sure if this is suitable, but Software Center is available in Debian 6 and looks sort of similar the the Software Center in Ubuntu 11.04. yes, this may be the path I take if there is no KDE equivalent, but I have read about issues. I guess I wont know till I try. B. Why KDE on Debian instead of the Classic interface in Ubuntu 11.04? NOTE: I also can't stand Unity but then I don't like KDE either. Well, we could have stayed with Ubuntu classic, but as AFAIK classic (as in gnome2) will be dropped next release, and the only gnome option will be gnome3. I'm not a fan of Unity or gnome3. So why not wait till October to switch? Well I guess that is reasonable, but knowing what is over the horizon, I would rather work on the transition now while I have some time, I may not have the luxury later. Perhaps not the greatest logic, but there it is. Tuxta -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
On 07/01/2011 08:21 AM, Steven Tucker wrote: On 01/07/11 00:39, Nick Andrew wrote: On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:55:18PM +1000, David Lyon wrote: he's a boy.. apt-get is a boys toy really.. You're saying apt-get isn't a suitable tool for girls? Nick. Maybe I am selling him short, but his younger brother (only 4) will be joining the ranks soon, and I think he will still need a nice gui with pictures, so the problem remains. Thanks for your input though. Just on a side note, when I stopped to think about it, its quite interesting that a 6 year old can jump straight in and find software and install it independently (one day I came home and he had installed about 8 new games), but a lot of adults, some in the university I work at, cant make the move to linux because its harder to install software than Windows!?!? If my son had to google for software, navigate to the appropriate website, download the software, navigate to the download and double click, next next next, he would not be installing much at all. Old dog, new tricks perhaps? Tuxta you got the windows software install procedure almost correct you forgot, untick toolbar remove virus scanner bundled with install remove autostarted helpers take PC to computer store because it now plays up restore all important documents from backup because computer store formatted it to remove the virus that came bundled with it. realise you lost the licence key for office that you downloaded from microsoft buy another office licence realise that now your old documents are legacy and don't really work well with new office so spend ages reformatting them. download new email program to put smiley faces in emails. repeat. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
Steven wrote: Maybe I am selling him short, but his younger brother (only 4) will be joining the ranks soon, and I think he will still need a nice gui with pictures, so the problem remains. Hi Steven, There's nothing wrong with a nice GUI to do things with. It's attractive, easy to navigate and you can browse just like you do in a store! It's a great, fun way to look for something you may want to use and to find things you didn't know about. Sometimes I just wander down the aisles of the GNU/Linux 'app store' (LOL) on my machine just to see what there is and have found some amazingly interesting things. Re: the 'old dogs, new tricks' comment. Some old dogs never learnt tricks before becoming old :) Regards, Patrick -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
Patrick, When you say GUI ? do you mean something like this ? - http://lcdproc.org/ :-) a bit of hacking and perhaps you can get a graphics lcd working.. then he can have pixels.. On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:49 PM, elliott-brennan elliottbren...@gmail.comwrote: Steven wrote: Maybe I am selling him short, but his younger brother (only 4) will be joining the ranks soon, and I think he will still need a nice gui with pictures, so the problem remains. Hi Steven, There's nothing wrong with a nice GUI to do things with. It's attractive, easy to navigate and you can browse just like you do in a store! It's a great, fun way to look for something you may want to use and to find things you didn't know about. Sometimes I just wander down the aisles of the GNU/Linux 'app store' (LOL) on my machine just to see what there is and have found some amazingly interesting things. Re: the 'old dogs, new tricks' comment. Some old dogs never learnt tricks before becoming old :) Regards, Patrick -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/**mailinglists.htmlhttp://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] KDE crash and burn
Hi all, Yesterday I installed some updates (general stuff, nothing odd, just those showing in the list) and then after everything appeared to run to conclusion, I went to work. This evening I came home and the GUI was frozen. I hit ctrl+alt and backspace. My second screen was dead, my UI was on about 800x600, the nVidia driver was reported as MIA (it was there just not being used) and the keyboard function were not working properly (this was some problem with the GUI). I finally managed to get going by hand hacking the xorg.conf file - nothing I tried in the GUI would work. During this I'd received a message (whenever I tried to use the GUI tools for screen manipulation - eg. resolution) that I had broken/missing packages, but Synaptic claimed all was fine. As I said, after a couple of hours of screwing around (after dinner with the family, putting kids to bed and THEN trying to work out the problem) I've managed to get things back to normal. Other things that were not working included alt+f2 for the run command and odd little KDE things like not being able to manually adjust the colour settings for the GUI. I'm running KDE 3.5 in Hardy (I'll wait until the next LTS version for 4.0 :)) I have no odd GUI hacks running, so I've no idea what the update did. So, I'm curious. Has anyone else come across this or anything similar in the last few days? Regards, Patrick -- Registered GNU/Linux User 368634 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] KDE party
Hi, I noticed that the KDE developers are encouraging users to throw release parties with the upcoming release of KDE 4.2 http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=KDE+4.2+Release+Party Anyone interested in a KDE release party in Sydney? Cibby __ Get the name you've always wanted @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com! Go to http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/jacko/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE party
2009/1/27 Cibby Pulikkaseril cib...@yahoo.ca: Hi, I noticed that the KDE developers are encouraging users to throw release parties with the upcoming release of KDE 4.2 http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=KDE+4.2+Release+Party Anyone interested in a KDE release party in Sydney? Cibby That's good news. Feel free to mention it at the SLUG meeting on Friday :) Cheers, Sridhar -- Bring choice back to your computer. http://www.linux.org.au/linux -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] KDE icon help
Does anyone know a way to put an icon on the toolbar for every KDE (2) user. I have written a simple tcl script (thanks to slug) that provides a point and click way of printing a file on very big printers :-) I need to add this to every tool bar. -- Thanks KenF OpenOffice.org developer -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE icon help
On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 10:18:57PM +1000, Ken Foskey wrote: Does anyone know a way to put an icon on the toolbar for every KDE (2) user. I have written a simple tcl script (thanks to slug) that provides a point and click way of printing a file on very big printers :-) I need to add this to every tool bar. You mean the panel? The only way I can think of is to make it a part of the /etc/skel KDE config, and retrofit it onto everyone's KDE config. There might be a more KDE way, but I don't think that KDE has a concept of managed preferences the way, say, the Mac OS X desktop does. Of course, now I've said that, a dozen people will pop up saying yes it does, which will solve your problem more thoroughly. - Matt signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] KDE blurry problem
Hi all, Ive been reading this list for a while and learned alot, however; now I need help. I have re-installed a Debian machine off the net. Everything is fine but KDE is blurry. I've configured KDE succesfully in the past and had only limited problems, all of which I could fix. I've read alot of posts on the net relating to font problems. I think this is coming close because Images don't appear blurry. I can't figure this one out. If anyone can help me, I'll bring them a box of Krispy Kreme doghnuts to the next SLUG meet :) Here are the some details: I use Kdm but the problem also exists under Gdm. I have a GeForce FX 5200. I don't play games or care about 3D acceleration. I have installed the GeForce driver but cant get it to run, and yes I read the readme :) The screen is a Samsung 172x Flatscreen. Thanks Eric Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE blurry problem
On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 05:50:30 -0700 (PDT) James Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are the some details: I use Kdm but the problem also exists under Gdm. I have a GeForce FX 5200. I don't play games or care about 3D acceleration. I have installed the GeForce driver but cant get it to run, and yes I read the readme :) The screen is a Samsung 172x Flatscreen. Hi, is the Samsung running at it's native resolution under Xwindows? Flat screen LCD's look VERY ordinary outside their native resolution... Is this a dual boot machine? - if so there is a nice little font wizard somewhere in KDE that allows you to grab all of your windows fonts from your mounted windows partition. then you just change the fonts to what your used to, problem solved...if you can't get access to windows fonts, then try changing the ones that KDE is currently using...I found them to look terrible!!! As for the Nvidia driver, you need to manually add/change an entry in your /etc/modprob.preload file - change nv to nvidia Worked for me! Andrew Andrew Williss - VK5LA Winkie, South Australia -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] KDE dies
My new fedora installation (fully updated) seems to be subject to KDE dying - nothing I can do seems to resurrect it, and whilst I know there is a way to open a new tty shell f4rom within an X application, I can't seem to find it. What's worse, when it happens, it seems to kill the USB system: when loading into Windows, it can't find the USB mouse attached, and seems to require making a change to the USB settings in the BIOS. Weird! Edwin Humphries, Ironstone Technology Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ironstone.com.au Phone: 02 4233 2285 Fax: 02 4233 2299 Mobile: 0419 233 051 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] KDE dies
My new fedora installation (fully updated) seems to be subject to KDE dying - nothing I can do seems to resurrect it, and whilst I know there is a way to open a new tty shell f4rom within an X application, I can't seem to find it. What's worse, when it happens, it seems to kill the USB system: when loading into Windows, it can't find the USB mouse attached, and seems to require making a change to the USB settings in the BIOS. Weird! Edwin Humphries, Ironstone Technology Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ironstone.com.au Phone: 02 4233 2285 Fax: 02 4233 2299 Mobile: 0419 233 051 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE dies
Edwin Humphries wrote: and whilst I know there is a way to open a new tty shell f4rom within an X application, I can't seem to find it. You almost had it there :), ctr + alt + F1 (or any F key up to F6, F8 gets you back to X) Cheers, Brad -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] KDE dies
On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 09:24:53AM +1000, Brad Kowalczyk wrote: Edwin Humphries wrote: and whilst I know there is a way to open a new tty shell f4rom within an X application, I can't seem to find it. You almost had it there :), ctr + alt + F1 (or any F key up to F6, gets you text console F8 gets you back to X) alt-F7 under redhat/fedora. Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] KDE World Clock on Red Hat 9.0
I am an extremely new Linux user (only installed it for the first time a couple of weeks ago), and I am enjoying what I believe to be the best O/S I have ever seen. I am running the application KDE World Clock on Red Hat 9.0 Xwindows (very nice), but no matter which country/city I put the mouse cursor over, it shows the same time (Sydney Australia).Does anyone know how to configure it so it shows the correct time zone for each city/country ? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] KDE sound server dies
Hi all, I have noticed that when KDE starts up the sound system works just fine (When I switch desktops, my machine makes a cute little 'quack' sound). After some (long) time, it stops and the following messages are sent to .xession-errors: Unable to open file /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Desktop3.wav I can: cat /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Desktop3.wav /dev/dsp and I hear the ever familiar 'quack' sound, so the file is definately there and valid. I have tried restarting the sound server from the KDE control centre, but still no joy. Logging out of KDE and back in again fixes the problem. Any ideas? Andy -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] KDE sound server dies
Andy Eager wrote: Hi all, I have noticed that when KDE starts up the sound system works just fine (When I switch desktops, my machine makes a cute little 'quack' sound). After some (long) time, it stops and the following messages are sent to .xession-errors: Unable to open file /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Desktop3.wav I can: cat /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Desktop3.wav /dev/dsp Sorry, that plays garbage, should have read: play cat /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Desktop3.wav -d /dev/dsp and I hear the ever familiar 'quack' sound, so the file is definately there and valid. I have tried restarting the sound server from the KDE control centre, but still no joy. Logging out of KDE and back in again fixes the problem. Any ideas? Andy -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] kde irritation
I've started playing with kde, and I have to say it does some cool stuff. One thing which has been driving me mad since I installed it is that every time I open up a file browsing konqueror thing it has that sidebar thing. I keep pressing the 'x' to make it go away, but it keeps coming back - how do I get rid of it for good? Thanks, James. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] kde irritation
James Gregory [of Sydney Linux Users Group] wrote: I've started playing with kde, and I have to say it does some cool stuff. One thing which has been driving me mad since I installed it is that every time I open up a file browsing konqueror thing it has that sidebar thing. I keep pressing the 'x' to make it go away, but it keeps coming back - how do I get rid of it for good? Once you have the navigation panel closed, Settings/Save View profile File Management HTH, Grant -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] kde irritation
On 4 Nov 2002, James Gregory wrote: I've started playing with kde, and I have to say it does some cool stuff. One thing which has been driving me mad since I installed it is that every time I open up a file browsing konqueror thing it has that sidebar thing. I keep pressing the 'x' to make it go away, but it keeps coming back - how do I get rid of it for good? set the preferences accordingly. IIRC it's a menu item. -=-=-==-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Graeme Robinson - Graenet consulting www.graenet.com - internet solutions -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==---=-=--=-=-= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] KDE 3...problems
Thanks for that. The symlink has fixed kde. So simple when you know how. Krusader still has no toolbar. And my rpmdrake doesn't look anything like you describe. There's nothing about diffs. I tried re-installing Krusader; make clean, make, make install. Amanda On Saturday 26 Oct 2002 1:15 pm, James Gregory wrote: Now, on to fixing the problem. there is a file - /etc/profile.d/10lang.sh, the /etc/profile.d/lang.sh is supposed to be a symlink to it. According to rpm the lang.sh file does not belong to a package (which is pretty unsurprising). I don't know exactly which script it is that is supposed to make this symlink, but making the symlink yourself will fix the problem. So su - cd /etc/profile.d rm -f lang.sh ln -s 10lang.sh lang.sh will fix your problem. I don't, however have any short answers as to why it didn't do it on its own. I would have thought that the postinstall for initscripts would have taken care of this. Anyway, I had the same problem ages ago when I upgraded to cooker from 8.2, which was how I knew the answer. I didn't have the same problem when I did a full upgrade on my other box - this might have been luck, because it had some odd stuff installed, or it might be a problem with the upgrade packages only thing. HTH, James. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] KDE 3...problems
On Sat, 2002-10-26 at 16:36, Amanda Wynne wrote: Thanks for that. The symlink has fixed kde. So simple when you know how. Krusader still has no toolbar. And my rpmdrake doesn't look anything like you describe. There's nothing about diffs. The diffs are supposed to popup when you are upgrading something that wants to change your config files. I tried re-installing Krusader; make clean, make, make install. I'm taking a stab in the dark here, because I know nothing about kde. is there a ~/.kde/share/config/krusader or krusaderrc file? what happens if you delete/rename it? Hopefully that will reset your config to the default one which (I assume) has a tool bar thing. I don't think that rebuilding krusader will fix things, unless you built it against old kde libs, in which case you should run configure before you do your rebuild. James. Amanda On Saturday 26 Oct 2002 1:15 pm, James Gregory wrote: Now, on to fixing the problem. there is a file - /etc/profile.d/10lang.sh, the /etc/profile.d/lang.sh is supposed to be a symlink to it. According to rpm the lang.sh file does not belong to a package (which is pretty unsurprising). I don't know exactly which script it is that is supposed to make this symlink, but making the symlink yourself will fix the problem. So su - cd /etc/profile.d rm -f lang.sh ln -s 10lang.sh lang.sh will fix your problem. I don't, however have any short answers as to why it didn't do it on its own. I would have thought that the postinstall for initscripts would have taken care of this. Anyway, I had the same problem ages ago when I upgraded to cooker from 8.2, which was how I knew the answer. I didn't have the same problem when I did a full upgrade on my other box - this might have been luck, because it had some odd stuff installed, or it might be a problem with the upgrade packages only thing. HTH, James. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] KDE 3...problems
I've almost fixed Krusader. Found this in the Faq on the krusader website. Some distributions put the 'krusaderui.rc' file in the wrong place. To solve the problem, just copy the file (from the package or the installed path) to either $KDEDIR/share/apps/krusader or ~/.kde/share/apps/krusader and re-run the program. However, I don't get the bit about some distributions. I installed it from source after upgrading Mandrake. It was a real shock to find after upgrading from 8.2 to 9.0 that I no longer had Krusader. All I have to do now is get the icons back on the toolbar. Most of them are missing. Amanda I'm taking a stab in the dark here, because I know nothing about kde. is there a ~/.kde/share/config/krusader or krusaderrc file? what happens if you delete/rename it? Hopefully that will reset your config to the default one which (I assume) has a tool bar thing. I don't think that rebuilding krusader will fix things, unless you built it against old kde libs, in which case you should run configure before you do your rebuild. James. Amanda -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] KDE 3...problems
Hi, I've upgraded my Mandrake system from 8.2 to 9.0, using the 3 CD set from Everything Linux. Took the upgrade packages only route. The KDE desktop won't run. It quits with the error message saying that etc/profile.d/lang.sh doesn't exist. I normally use IceWM as my default desktop. KDE is my default desktop for user root. Since logging in as root and trying to startx, now my Krusader file manager has lost its toolbar icons. (It was working OK). When I unsuccessfully tried to install KDE3 on MDK8.2, I used rpmdrake to uninstall kde3 and re-install kde2. But now rpmdrake has also lost all its options. Like choosing sources. Or uninstalling packages. It will do installs only. Short of wiping it and putting 8.2 back on, any other help would be greatly appreciated. Amanda -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] KDE 3...problems
On Sat, 2002-10-26 at 05:33, Amanda Wynne wrote: Hi, I've upgraded my Mandrake system from 8.2 to 9.0, using the 3 CD set from Everything Linux. Took the upgrade packages only route. The KDE desktop won't run. It quits with the error message saying that etc/profile.d/lang.sh doesn't exist. I normally use IceWM as my default desktop. KDE is my default desktop for user root. Since logging in as root and trying to startx, now my Krusader file manager has lost its toolbar icons. (It was working OK). If you just wanted to switch the default desktop for superuser, you can do so by editing the ~/.desktop file. Get back to me on this - I have a suspicion that these two problems are related, but I could be completely wrong. When I unsuccessfully tried to install KDE3 on MDK8.2, I used rpmdrake to uninstall kde3 and re-install kde2. But now rpmdrake has also lost all its options. Like choosing sources. Or uninstalling packages. It will do installs only. which kde 3 packages did you use? I had some issues because I was using cooker packages when I tried the same trick, but that's to be expected -- cooker is development. There was a great deal of discussion on the cooker list about rpmdrake's new look. I didn't actually pay much attention because I always use the command line tools. So, that's your first option. The command to remove sources is urpmi.removemedia and the command to add sources is urpmi.addmedia. The other option, if you happen to be gui minded is to use mandrake control center (mcc is the command, I'm sure it's in the menus somewhere). Click on the Software Management thing, and then the Software Sources Manager icon. The new rpmdrake is supposed to be really cool. They've got this diff screen thing which shows you the changes it wants to make to config files and such, and lets you edit it -- again, I've never used it. There's also a remove software icon in the same place. Incidently the change is because the mandrake control center is supposed to be a control center now as opposed to a disjunct set of applications that happen to share a common launching mechanism. Short of wiping it and putting 8.2 back on, any other help would be greatly appreciated. Now, on to fixing the problem. there is a file - /etc/profile.d/10lang.sh, the /etc/profile.d/lang.sh is supposed to be a symlink to it. According to rpm the lang.sh file does not belong to a package (which is pretty unsurprising). I don't know exactly which script it is that is supposed to make this symlink, but making the symlink yourself will fix the problem. So su - cd /etc/profile.d rm -f lang.sh ln -s 10lang.sh lang.sh will fix your problem. I don't, however have any short answers as to why it didn't do it on its own. I would have thought that the postinstall for initscripts would have taken care of this. Anyway, I had the same problem ages ago when I upgraded to cooker from 8.2, which was how I knew the answer. I didn't have the same problem when I did a full upgrade on my other box - this might have been luck, because it had some odd stuff installed, or it might be a problem with the upgrade packages only thing. HTH, James. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] kde dcopserver problem
On Sat, 2002-08-03 at 14:27, Matthew Davidson wrote: Hi, Trying to get KDE running on woody. Can't get beyond an error message saying: Could not read network connection list /root/.DCOPserver_hostname_0 Please check the 'dcopserver' program is running.' Seen a lot of usenet postings and the like complaining of this problem, but no solutions. Can anybody suggest anything? are you trying to run kde as root? why? what about if you try as a normal user? Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] kde dcopserver problem
Hi, Trying to get KDE running on woody. Can't get beyond an error message saying: Could not read network connection list /root/.DCOPserver_hostname_0 Please check the 'dcopserver' program is running.' Seen a lot of usenet postings and the like complaining of this problem, but no solutions. Can anybody suggest anything? Thanks, Matthew. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] KDE 3.0 on Sid?
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 02:58:19PM +1000, Richard Hayes wrote: When do you think the KDE packages will be available for Sid? Currently I'm working on the 3.1 tree, not 3.0, and Chris Cheney is working on the 3.0 tree. He's very, very close to completion; we keep pausing along the way to fix stuff that should be done better. The latest addition to the do-it-right brigade is kdm - we've updated all the scripts to fix its menus and the like. Should be within 48 hours, knock on wood. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] sel need help: my first packet to my provider gets lost :-( netgod sel: dont send the first one, start with #2 msg22443/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[SLUG] KDE 3.0 on Sid?
Dear list, When do you think the KDE packages will be available for Sid? regards, -- Richard Hayes Nada Marketing - 113-115 Oxford St Darlinghurst Australia Phone: +(61-2) 9360 Fax +(61-2) 9361 0094 0414 618 425 http://www.nada.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] KDE 3.0 on Sid?
Richard Hayes wrote: When do you think the KDE packages will be available for Sid? Personally? I don't know. A good place to look though, would be on the debian-kde list, which is where I found these: - Debs of an old build of KDE 3.0 from CVS, last October http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2001/debian-kde-200110/msg00254.html - Signs of life from the KDE package developer, 10 days ago (can't find the first half of this thread unfortunately) http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2002/debian-kde-200204/msg2.html Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] KDE printing
Yes you're right it did start %! but it was from my memory. Anyway it's working now as the suggestion from Christopher Booth worked. ie set it to HPLJ4 PCL Funny though... the test page said it had PS version 3 installed. Anyway, don't really care so long as it works with something! Thanks to all else who responded too. Ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 7 April 2002 11:11 PM To: Sydney Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [SLUG] KDE printing On 5 Apr, Terry Collins wrote: with CUPS a page prints with !adobe on the top and some other garbage. If that is all there is, then that is not a correct PS identifier string. Quite. It should start %! or even %!PS. BTW, KDE3 was released last week, and the printing system sounds like massive amounts of work have gone into it. Not that I think that would help if you're sending files with the wrong magic number at the start! luke -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] KDE printing
On 5 Apr, Terry Collins wrote: with CUPS a page prints with !adobe on the top and some other garbage. If that is all there is, then that is not a correct PS identifier string. Quite. It should start %! or even %!PS. BTW, KDE3 was released last week, and the printing system sounds like massive amounts of work have gone into it. Not that I think that would help if you're sending files with the wrong magic number at the start! luke -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] KDE printing
Hi Slugs, Trying to convert a customer to Mandrake 8.2 from W2k. Printing to a Kyocera FS-600 does not work. printing from the advanced editor. Parallel port. with CUPS a page prints with !adobe on the top and some other garbage. this set as postscript RAW does not print. with print through external program nothing comes out with LPR standard bsd print system nothing with generic unix lpd print system nothing printer is setup as A4 portrait and all usual settings. printer prints fine through windows. funny thing it detects Kyocera on build of linux however not listed in printer selection to install a new printer. I used generic postscript and raw. still not working. Have turned off the workstation and printer (yes, i've had lots of M$ training ;-) just not sure where to look for solutions. what is the next step? Ben -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] KDE printing
On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 08:55:11AM +1000, Ben Donohue wrote: Printing to a Kyocera FS-600 does not work. We've had a lot of trouble with Kyocera printers too. You may find that it needs a firmware upgrade to get a newer version of Postscript or KPDL, but even that's not guaranteed to fix your problems. printer prints fine through windows. We have an FS-1600 and an FS-3500 that print fine from some versions of Windows, sometimes. Sometimes they just print the raw Postscript or KPDL. Sometimes changing drivers makes them print OK, but then the driver will need to be changed again to print something else. We've tried every driver we can get our hands on, and *none* work all the time. I can't print anything to them from StarOffice on Linux, unless I print to a file, then convert the result to pdf with ps2pdf, then use acroread to print. I can print OK from Netscape, or print plain text with lpr. I've given up trying to get them to work properly. I don't print much anyway, so although it takes a bit of work on the rare occasions I do need to print, overall it's less time and hassle than fscking around with them to try to get them to work all the time. Cheers, John -- whois [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG key id: 0xD59C360F http://kirriwa.net/john/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] KDE printing
It sounds definitely like the Kyocera doesn't print postscript or isn't configured to
automatically detect the PJL (print job language)
Try setting it up as a HP LJ4 with PCL and it should get you going (I think you need
to install the gimp printing, and extra cups drivers)
Chris
On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:08:06 +1000
Terry Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ben Donohue wrote:
Hi Slugs,
Trying to convert a customer to Mandrake 8.2 from W2k.
Printing to a Kyocera FS-600 does not work.
Is this a postscript machine?
If not, did you select rerender postscript?
[I'm still on Lprng(?), not cups, Just 2c).
printing from the advanced editor.
Parallel port.
with CUPS a page prints with !adobe on the top and some other garbage.
If that is all there is, then that is not a correct PS identifier
string.
Oh, and did you restart LP daemon each time you made a change?
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Re: [SLUG] kde
On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:05, you wrote: Yeah, had to do a full system reboot due to new kernel etc The weird thing is that it is only the root user that has this problem. I can't seem to find any options lying around that say don't give me a windows manager? Groping at swraws but: have you compared your .*rc files from before and after the update, also those for users that do work? I don't know what files to look at, just trying to use a bit of rusty logic. /\/\ick -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] kde
Mick Howe wrote: On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:05, you wrote: Yeah, had to do a full system reboot due to new kernel etc The weird thing is that it is only the root user that has this problem. I can't seem to find any options lying around that say don't give me a windows manager? Groping at swraws but: have you compared your .*rc files from before and after the update, also those for users that do work? The other files that might make a difference are .Xclients and .xsession If they differ between a normal user and root you may get a different window manager. Check if they exist for root at all and what they say at the very last lines. Mike -- Michael Lake University of Technology, Sydney Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: 02 9514 1724 Fx: 02 9514 1628 Linux enthusiast, active caver and interested in anything technical. UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F DISCLAIMER = This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views the University of Technology Sydney. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and defects. = -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] kde
On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:19, you wrote: anyone suggest why my kde has lost a window manager. I recently upgraded a lot of stuff courtesy of redhat's up2date (first mistake). the problem is that i can start anything up, I have a task bar at the bottom of the screen, but I can't move anything/change the size of any windows. there are no windows! i hope people know what i am talking about, it's been a long day and getting harder to articulate cheers, matt. the most obvious thing did you restart KDE after the update? I've had KDE stop doing everything after updates, only thing that would work was to right click on the desktop to 'run command' and reboot -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] kde
Yeah, had to do a full system reboot due to new kernel etc The weird thing is that it is only the root user that has this problem. I can't seem to find any options lying around that say don't give me a windows manager? Matt. Mick Howe wrote: On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:19, you wrote: anyone suggest why my kde has lost a window manager. I recently upgraded a lot of stuff courtesy of redhat's up2date (first mistake). the problem is that i can start anything up, I have a task bar at the bottom of the screen, but I can't move anything/change the size of any windows. there are no windows! i hope people know what i am talking about, it's been a long day and getting harder to articulate cheers, matt. the most obvious thing did you restart KDE after the update? I've had KDE stop doing everything after updates, only thing that would work was to right click on the desktop to 'run command' and reboot -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] kde
anyone suggest why my kde has lost a window manager. I recently upgraded a lot of stuff courtesy of redhat's up2date (first mistake). the problem is that i can start anything up, I have a task bar at the bottom of the screen, but I can't move anything/change the size of any windows. there are no windows! i hope people know what i am talking about, it's been a long day and getting harder to articulate cheers, matt. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] kde
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[SLUG] KDE reports home
Has anyone who is running KDE noticed that it has a daemon artsd that appears to keep attempting to do a ACK FIN to www.kde.org 213.203.58.36 port 80 and to lwn2.tucowcs.com 216.40.34.70 port 80. What is artsd, it doesn't have a man page. -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates - Your Linux people Contact detail at http://www.lannetlinux.com We are either doing something, or we are not. 'Talking about' is a subset of 'not'. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] KDE reports home
quote who=Howard Lowndes What is artsd, it doesn't have a man page. http://www.arts-project.org/ - Jeff -- You know the end is nigh when modern art is relegated to the status of meme. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] KDE reports home
Howard Lowndes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone who is running KDE noticed that it has a daemon artsd that appears to keep attempting to do a ACK FIN to www.kde.org 213.203.58.36 port 80 and to lwn2.tucowcs.com 216.40.34.70 port 80. What is artsd, it doesn't have a man page. someone's already followed up, so i won't reiterate on that. i'm always suspicious of stuff that's calling home, though - i wonder why they do that. (i'm sure it's not malicious, but still). -- Damien Elmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] KDE reports home
So am I. It's even harder trying to find out how kdeinit works. I'm still trying to work out where it's .rc file is to see just what is going on. It could be just the prompt I need to dump it - and not for Gnome either - I might go back to Windowmaker or even FVWM. Window manager flame war, anyone? On 3 Dec 2001, Damien Elmes wrote: Howard Lowndes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone who is running KDE noticed that it has a daemon artsd that appears to keep attempting to do a ACK FIN to www.kde.org 213.203.58.36 port 80 and to lwn2.tucowcs.com 216.40.34.70 port 80. What is artsd, it doesn't have a man page. someone's already followed up, so i won't reiterate on that. i'm always suspicious of stuff that's calling home, though - i wonder why they do that. (i'm sure it's not malicious, but still). -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates - Your Linux people Contact detail at http://www.lannetlinux.com We are either doing something, or we are not. 'Talking about' is a subset of 'not'. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] KDE reports home
Howard Lowndes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So am I. It's even harder trying to find out how kdeinit works. I'm still trying to work out where it's .rc file is to see just what is going on. It could be just the prompt I need to dump it - and not for Gnome either - I might go back to Windowmaker or even FVWM. Window manager flame war, anyone? sawfish ;) i don't know if i could go back to a non-scriptable window manager. say licq disappears of the screen due to some bug in its handling of the mouse. i can whip up a shell and do: reflex$ sawfish-client sawfish 1.0.1, Copyright (C) 1999-2000 John Harper sawfish comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details see the file COPYING Enter `,help' to list commands. user (move-window-to (get-window-by-name-re icq) 0 0) user and bingo! it's back on the screen. aaanyway. well remember esd? arts, afaik, is basically that for the KDE world. and if various apps start depending on it, that might mean getting rid of it is not an option. kde gurus jump in now :) -- Damien Elmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] KDE on Debian - per user environment variables
All, I hope you can be a little more helpful than the wilfully useless lot on Debian-KDE. I am trying to set up some per user environmentals on KDE 2.2.1 on Debian Woody. Eg HTTP_PROXY for my setiathome account, plus adding ~/bin to my personal account's path. Adding these to .bash_profile has no effect (I recall it working for Gnome before I defected). Anybody offer a clue on this? Anything than go back to that ghastly mish-mash, Gnome. -- David Some weeks it looks like Redmond feels entitled to capture not just part of what we save, but all of it. That just isn't going to fly with corporate America forever. When your margins are more sensitive to Bill Gates' pricing whims than they are [to] the price of oil, that's an untenable position for a large company to be in. - John Chapman, Sr. Technology Executive, Amoco -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] KDE on Debian - per user environment variables
quote who=David Fisher Eg HTTP_PROXY for my setiathome account, plus adding ~/bin to my personal account's path. Adding these to .bash_profile has no effect (I recall it working for Gnome before I defected). How about .profile? Does KDE have a .kderc ish file like .gnomerc? Anybody offer a clue on this? Anything than go back to that ghastly mish-mash, Gnome. Ow, that's a bit harsh. You're welcome to mail me your experiences if you want - things do change. - Jeff -- It makes perfect sense. If you're a narcissistic arsehole spawned from a curdled gene pool. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] kde virus-like menu masher
Nick Croft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yesterday I put (on the main machine) kdebase 4:2.1.0.1-5 and other k packages.
I found it to be very intrusive, rather like a M$ product. It took over my
desktop immediately without giving me the option of changing to it. Then it
If it does that to you, then it's time to file some bug reports. Of course
check the BTS (http://bugs.debian.org/pkgname) for existing reports first.
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Re: [SLUG] kde virus-like menu masher
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, David Kempe wrote: I am running all the latest unstable kde etc and its very nice. I love it :) Dave Yes Dave, it's got a lot of class features. I would like it to keep there for when windows users visit. However I've got a work method consistent over 4 different machines and that involves WindowMaker because it is good for keyboard shortcuts off the shelf. I also believe in choice. It reminded me of when I put M$ Excel and Explorer on a Mac. My supposed options were ignored: I got the whole office plus Explorer made itself King. Dozens of unwanted libraries appeared all over the extensions. ... I'm rambling, but the lack of choice feels the same violation. Nick -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] kde virus-like menu masher
I think your kicking the wrong cat. KDE is not doing these things it is the debian packaging thats causing your dramas. On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Nick Croft wrote: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:17:04 +1100 (EST) From: Nick Croft [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Kempe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] kde virus-like menu masher On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, David Kempe wrote: I am running all the latest unstable kde etc and its very nice. I love it :) Dave Yes Dave, it's got a lot of class features. I would like it to keep there for when windows users visit. However I've got a work method consistent over 4 different machines and that involves WindowMaker because it is good for keyboard shortcuts off the shelf. I also believe in choice. It reminded me of when I put M$ Excel and Explorer on a Mac. My supposed options were ignored: I got the whole office plus Explorer made itself King. Dozens of unwanted libraries appeared all over the extensions. ... I'm rambling, but the lack of choice feels the same violation. Nick -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] kde virus-like menu masher
On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:17, Michael Covi wrote: I think your kicking the wrong cat. KDE is not doing these things it is the debian packaging thats causing your dramas. I would tend to agree with this. I didn't have any of the problems mentioned when installing KDE 2.1 rpms on a RedHat 7 box. All my GNOME menus were intact and if I recall correctly I had to manually alter my .Xclients file for the user accounts I wanted to use KDE. I also had to modify the /etc/X11/prefdm script to make it use kdm as it still used gdm. I have also installed KDE 2.1 from SuSE RPMs on SuSE 7 and although I noticed a few minor differences in the way it was packaged (for instance the SuSE version installed to /opt, RedHat installed to /usr), I again didn't experience any problems with menus being trashed or other preferences being changed in any evil ways. BTW I love KDE2.1 and its customizability. It is looking very mature and konqueror is rock solid. It's really worth checking out and it has a certain style to it now which was lacking from KDE1. Also KOffice and KDevelop are way cool. Although I use vi for all my coding I have checked out KDevelop and the integrated debugging is really valuable and the class tree view is neat, even for C programming as you can right click on a function name and do a grep etc. You probably just have to play with it to know what I mean. :) --- Regards John -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] kde virus-like menu masher
Sluggers, Half the attraction of debian is the menu-update system which is activated by apt-get or relatives. I've been happily working away and using either WindowMaker Afterstep or E, mainly WindowMaker. On another machine I installed kde (kdebase_4%3a2.0.1-4) last December, and had no probs. Liked konqueror. Yesterday I put (on the main machine) kdebase 4:2.1.0.1-5 and other k packages. I found it to be very intrusive, rather like a M$ product. It took over my desktop immediately without giving me the option of changing to it. Then it rewrote my menus, apparently overriding the menu-update script, such that only k-* programs appeared in the menus. I restarted X back into WindowMaker and found I only had half a dozen options in the menu. I apt-got something to activate the menu-update thingy, (which I thought was supposed to find everything with a menu file) but still only had the k-approved items and the new one. Since then I've purged all kstuff, but the menus are no better. I've been rewriting /etc/X11/WindowMaker/menu.hook _manually_, but I need to keep a copy of it because any further installs wipe it out and substitute the kversion of the menus. I've looked at the man pages for update-menus and menufile and read the /usr/doc/menu/html tutorial, but can't find the answer. Something seems to be overriding the system. I guess I can apt-get something, then use 'find' to see what's been moodified in the last 2 minutes and check that way. Sorry for the long ramble. Give kde the miss. Nick -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] kde virus-like menu masher
I guess I can apt-get something, then use 'find' to see what's been moodified in the last 2 minutes and check that way. Sorry for the long ramble. Give kde the miss. I agree with you, install things that do such things are no good. As like you said, it destroys stuff you have done. Stupid KDE :) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] kde virus-like menu masher
Nick Croft wrote: Sluggers, Half the attraction of debian is the menu-update system which is activated by apt-get or relatives. I've been happily working away and using either WindowMaker Afterstep or E, mainly WindowMaker. On another machine I installed kde (kdebase_4%3a2.0.1-4) last December, and had no probs. Liked konqueror. so, with 2.0.1 you had none of the problem you described with kde2.1? curious, as it may make a difference to what I install.. praccus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] KDE 2.0.1 bug and XFree86 4.0.2
Just a quick note on my posting about KDE 2.0.1 instability. KDE crashed after 30 minutes of inactivity. ( http://bugs.kde.org//db/18/18780.html ) Upgrading X to 4.0.2 seems to have fixed this problem. ( http://www.xfree86.org/#currentrel ) Regards, Sonam -- Electronic Commerce Corporate Express Australia Ltd. Phone: +61-2-9335-0725 Fax: +61-2-9335-0753 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] KDE 2
Oi! I'm sorry if people have posted on this topic before, but... Has anyone noticed what a piece of work KDE 2.0.1 is ...the new UI, intuitive config... And with Konqueror, we've finally got a mature Linux browser than isn't called Netscape. Wonderful highly recommended. Kudos to the KDE team. The only drawback: 1. installation - for Redhat 7, you'd need to hit rpmfind.net for a couple of RPMs - worth the pain. 2. The strange Merlin type help character - possibly inspired by Microsoft's paperclip. :) Happy, Sonam -- Electronic Commerce Corporate Express Australia Ltd. Phone: +61-2-9335-0725 Fax: +61-2-9335-0753 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] KDE 2
Oi! I'm sorry if people have posted on this topic before, but... Has anyone noticed what a piece of work KDE 2.0.1 is ...the new UI, intuitive config... And with Konqueror, we've finally got a mature Linux browser than isn't called Netscape. Wonderful highly recommended. Kudos to the KDE team. Well, I suppose it's not TOO bad, but it's pretty ordinary compared to the 2.1 beta in Debian unstable. -- David "I wish I knew now what I knew then." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] KDE 2
Oi! I'm sorry if people have posted on this topic before, but... Has anyone noticed what a piece of work KDE 2.0.1 is ...the new UI, intuitive config... And with Konqueror, we've finally got a mature Linux browser than isn't called Netscape. Wonderful highly recommended. Kudos to the KDE team. Well, I suppose it's not TOO bad, but it's pretty ordinary compared to the 2.1 beta in Debian unstable. I like the debian kde 2.1 beta. It rocks hard. Very nice keyboard shortcuts, decent window managing, some great tools and nice apps. And with debian its all easy to setup :) dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] KDE 2
I spoke too soon. KDE 2.0.1 looks great but is pretty unstable (on my machine at least). I've put in two reports to bugs.kde.org within the last one day - it's crashed 4 times already with me doing absolutely nothing. Hm, I've got this feeling that your Debian 2.1 Beta "unstables" are really more stable than what I'm running. grin Regards, Sonam three or four times already today. David Kempe wrote: Oi! I'm sorry if people have posted on this topic before, but... Has anyone noticed what a piece of work KDE 2.0.1 is ...the new UI, intuitive config... And with Konqueror, we've finally got a mature Linux browser than isn't called Netscape. Wonderful highly recommended. Kudos to the KDE team. Well, I suppose it's not TOO bad, but it's pretty ordinary compared to the 2.1 beta in Debian unstable. I like the debian kde 2.1 beta. It rocks hard. Very nice keyboard shortcuts, decent window managing, some great tools and nice apps. And with debian its all easy to setup :) dave -- Electronic Commerce Corporate Express Australia Ltd. Phone: +61-2-9335-0725 Fax: +61-2-9335-0753 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] KDE 2.0
Rebecca Richards wrote: Guys, Has anyone had any success on installing KDE2 onto a Mandrake system? I'm trying to install it onto my Mandrake 7.1 build, and am finding lots of dependency issues, relating to the fact that the Mandrake packages are built from a 7.2beta Mandrake build. I'm finding that I would have to upgrade _lots_ of packages to the beta versions in order to resolve the dependencies. Hi, I haven't tried it myself (I use Enlightenment), but from what's been discussed on the Mandrake Cooker list (Mandrake development) it looks like it would be very difficult to install the KDE2 RPM's on a Mandrake 7.1 system. As you've said, the Mandrake KDE2 packages are built against Mandrake 7.2Beta, or possibly RC1. You pretty much have to upgrade your whole system before using them. If you look at the list of dependencies given out when trying to install the KDE2 RPM, you can upgrade them (MandrakeUpdate will do this for you I think) and then it will work. It does look though that Mandrake 7.2 will be out within the next month, so it might be easier to wait for that - shaping up to be a *very* nice release. The other idea is to compile from sources, but I'm not sure how easy this would be. It would be easier than trying to satisfy all the dependendencies on a Mandrake 7.1 machine I think (not necessarily easy :-). But IMHO, unless you have an urgent need for KDE2 it would be better to wait for Mandrake 7.2 to be released. (It's really going to be very nice - scare the Debianites with their apt-get thingy :-) Tom -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] KDE 2.0
If you can find the source RPMS you can compile by typing rpm --rebuild package I could only find RedHat 7 SRPMS which were not compatible with the version of rpm on my system (rh6.2). I think a new Mandrake will be out soon which will contain KDE2 so it might be worth waiting for that. On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 11:33:46PM +1100, Rebecca Richards wrote: Guys, Has anyone had any success on installing KDE2 onto a Mandrake system? I'm trying to install it onto my Mandrake 7.1 build, and am finding lots of dependency issues, relating to the fact that the Mandrake packages are built from a 7.2beta Mandrake build. I'm finding that I would have to upgrade _lots_ of packages to the beta versions in order to resolve the dependencies. The other idea is to compile from sources, but I'm not sure how easy this would be. Any ideas or suggestions? Cheers, -- Rebecca Richards, CCSA CCSE, Unix/Security Consultant, e-Secure Pty Ltd "Secure in a Networked World" Phone: (02) 9438 4984 Fax: (02) 9438 4986 Suite 201, 2-4 Pacific HighwayMobile: 0412 823 206 St Leonards NSW Australia Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ACN 068 798 194 http://www.e-secure.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- enterfornone - insert clever comment here http://www.enterfornone.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
