Re: [SLUG] debian apt and jdk
I'm really starting to dislike debian. (even if its only due to my own lack of knowledge) I can't apt-get install debconf because it complains that it needs jdk. I can't install a jdk cause that needs xfree86-common. I can't install that because it needs debconf. Does anyone know how I can get out of this vicious circle??? Regards Rob T On Tuesday 24 June 2003 19:42, Robert Tillsley wrote: On Tuesday 24 June 2003 19:38, Robert Tillsley wrote: Hi guys I am trying to work out how to get a copy of the jdk for my woody system so that I can fix some dependancy issues and hopefully eventually get a gui up. I have the basic woody cd and mirror.aarnet.edu.au as sources, however when I try to install something it asks for jdk 1.1.8 from the ibm site, which doesn't work. So I'm thinking, perhaps I can use another version or I can add another source. Does anyone know another ftp server out there that has the imb 1.1.8 jdk? Regards Rob T One other thing, will applications care what sort of jdk is installed. Rob T -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] debian apt and jdk
On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 12:35, Robert Tillsley wrote: I'm really starting to dislike debian. (even if its only due to my own lack of knowledge) I can't apt-get install debconf because it complains that it needs jdk. I can't install a jdk cause that needs xfree86-common. I can't install that because it needs debconf. Can you post output from apt? debconf does *not* need jdk (!), so something else is going on here which we need to nut out. :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2004: Adelaide, Australia http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ On a clear day, I bet you can really see the class struggle from that penthouse of yours. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] debian apt and jdk
On Tuesday 24 June 2003 21:38, Jeff Waugh wrote: On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 12:35, Robert Tillsley wrote: I'm really starting to dislike debian. (even if its only due to my own lack of knowledge) I can't apt-get install debconf because it complains that it needs jdk. I can't install a jdk cause that needs xfree86-common. I can't install that because it needs debconf. Can you post output from apt? debconf does *not* need jdk (!), so something else is going on here which we need to nut out. :-) - Jeff Hmmm. Looks like your right, I had a reread of the error messages, it looks like I just don't have an up to date source for debconf. When I try to install xfree86-common it says that it depends on debconf =1.2.9 but I only have 1.0.32 Right, I feel like I've progressed a few more cm along the learning curve :O) I have mirror.aarnet.edu.au as one of my sources, shouldn't that have a recent version of debconf? Thanks for the help guys! Cheers Rob T -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] debian apt and jdk
On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 12:48, Robert Tillsley wrote: When I try to install xfree86-common it says that it depends on debconf =1.2.9 but I only have 1.0.32 Right, I feel like I've progressed a few more cm along the learning curve :O) I have mirror.aarnet.edu.au as one of my sources, shouldn't that have a recent version of debconf? Okay, that should never happen unless you have an unhealthy mixture of sources... What do you have in your /etc/apt/sources.list file? - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2004: Adelaide, Australia http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ I love 2001. Especially the beginning with the proto-humans screaming at each other and beating each other to death with rocks and bones. That very neatly encapsulates my whole concept of interpersonal relationships. - Branden Robinson -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] debian apt and jdk
aarnet au.debian.org and while trying to work out what I was doing, Dinesh (also on this list) gave me ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian for when I was looking to download jdk. Looking on the debian site, it looks like what I currently have is the last stable version. Does this mean that what I need to do is to add an unstable source to my sources.list? Thanks Rob T On Tuesday 24 June 2003 21:49, Jeff Waugh wrote: On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 12:48, Robert Tillsley wrote: When I try to install xfree86-common it says that it depends on debconf =1.2.9 but I only have 1.0.32 Right, I feel like I've progressed a few more cm along the learning curve :O) I have mirror.aarnet.edu.au as one of my sources, shouldn't that have a recent version of debconf? Okay, that should never happen unless you have an unhealthy mixture of sources... What do you have in your /etc/apt/sources.list file? - Jeff -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] debian apt and jdk
On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 13:03, Robert Tillsley wrote: aarnet au.debian.org and while trying to work out what I was doing, Dinesh (also on this list) gave me ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian for when I was looking to download jdk. More helpful to see the actual lines, because they contain more information. :-) Looking on the debian site, it looks like what I currently have is the last stable version. Does this mean that what I need to do is to add an unstable source to my sources.list? Preferably not - what you'd really want is a source for a woody version of the jdk. I'm not sure where to get that, or what your current source is (please post the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list), but that sounds like the problem. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2004: Adelaide, Australia http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ I look forward to someday putting foo-colored ribbons on my homepage declaring 'port 25 is for spam', and 'just say no to the Spam Message Transmission Protocol!' - Raph Levien -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] debian apt and jdk
On Tuesday 24 June 2003 22:05, Jeff Waugh wrote: On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 13:03, Robert Tillsley wrote: aarnet au.debian.org and while trying to work out what I was doing, Dinesh (also on this list) gave me ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian for when I was looking to download jdk. More helpful to see the actual lines, because they contain more information. :-) Looking on the debian site, it looks like what I currently have is the last stable version. Does this mean that what I need to do is to add an unstable source to my sources.list? Preferably not - what you'd really want is a source for a woody version of the jdk. I'm not sure where to get that, or what your current source is (please post the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list), but that sounds like the problem. Must admit, I was hoping to avoid that as I'm emailing from a different system and its going to be a bugger to type out. Hmm, perhaps its time to see if I can mount my usb flash drive... I'll post this to the list in a sec to see if you can spot a flaw. In between emails I added the unstable ftp.au.debian and then it did update debconf, (well its downloading now) so not sure if this will help or complicate matters. Rob T -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] debian apt and jdk
On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 19:42, Robert Tillsley wrote: On Tuesday 24 June 2003 19:38, Robert Tillsley wrote: Hi guys I am trying to work out how to get a copy of the jdk for my woody system so that I can fix some dependancy issues and hopefully eventually get a gui up. I have the basic woody cd and mirror.aarnet.edu.au as sources, however when I try to install something it asks for jdk 1.1.8 from the ibm site, which doesn't work. So I'm thinking, perhaps I can use another version or I can add another source. Does anyone know another ftp server out there that has the imb 1.1.8 jdk? Regards Rob T One other thing, will applications care what sort of jdk is installed. Oh yes! The current version of Java is 1.4.1 (1.4.2 if you use a beta) which is very different from 1.1.8 (which was the last 1.1 release). When version 1.2 was released, the whole platform was renamed java 2, hence J2EE. But they still kept the same release numbers so for example 1.2, 1.3 1.4 are all java 2. To recapitulate; if something requires java 1.4 there's no way that it'll work on 1.1 or quite possibly on anything before it. Considering that Java licensing doesn't play nice with Debian I never use apt to install java. It doesn't really need it (and before you flame me I think apt is one of the best tools I've used), all that needs to done to install Java is to download the release from sun, run (it's a shell script) in the target directory and set JAVA_HOME, PATH and MANPATH and that's about it. I've had more problems than I care to mention trying to get apt and Java working together. rgh Rob T -- It is possible to make things of great complexity out of things that are very simple. There is no conservation of simplicity -- Stephen Wolfram Richard Heycock [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel : 0410 646 369 key fingerprint : 909D CBFA C669 AC2F A937 AFA4 661B 9D21 EAAB 4291 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] debian apt and jdk
On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 21:35, Robert Tillsley wrote: I'm really starting to dislike debian. (even if its only due to my own lack of knowledge) Robert, firstly, listen to what Jeff Waugh asks/tells you he KNOWS! Take a deep breath... Send the list your /etc/apt/sources.list so we can try and fix it. I like to use the JDK straight from SUN (java.sun.com), it is quite straight forward to install. It's not free software but is straight from the horse's mouth. -- ** * Simon Wong * ** -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] debian apt and jdk
Thanks Simon I've posted the file to the list this morning (I had a little trouble doing it last night) I'm certainly happy to heed Jeffs advice! Of course I'm still going to see if I can help myself at the same time. I don't want to just be a burden on the list :O) Rob T -Original Message- From: Simon Wong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2003 8:57 AM To: Robert Tillsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Slug Subject: Re: [SLUG] debian apt and jdk On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 21:35, Robert Tillsley wrote: I'm really starting to dislike debian. (even if its only due to my own lack of knowledge) Robert, firstly, listen to what Jeff Waugh asks/tells you he KNOWS! Take a deep breath... Send the list your /etc/apt/sources.list so we can try and fix it. I like to use the JDK straight from SUN (java.sun.com), it is quite straight forward to install. It's not free software but is straight from the horse's mouth. -- ** * Simon Wong * ** -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
