Re: [RCSE] SideWinder DLG
DLG = Discus Launch Glider as in side arm, wing tip, turn around and throw it. Demo pictures of one of the inventors, Dick Barker at: http://members.home.com/n.sink/page_04.htm http://members.home.com/n.sink/page_05.htm Skip On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:30:20 -0700, you wrote: OK, I give up. What is "DLG"? -Paul +---+ ** ** **Skip Richards - WB7VXM ** ** Phoenix, AZ ** ** AMA 536167 ** ** ** ** http://members.home.net/skip.richards/ ** ** ** +---+ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] SideWinder DLG
It was a classification of US Navy ships (Destroyer Leader, Guided missile) that were renames to CG (Cruiser, Guided missile) as part of paperwork drill to comply with a force reduction treaty with the USSR (i.e. USS Biddle, DLG-34 became the CG-34). Oh yeah... it also means 'Discus Launched Glider' and its the latest rage in the world of hand launching. I'm still trying to choose which one I want. Dave - Original Message - From: "Paul Klissner" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Sal DeFrancesco" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "Dave Seay" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] SideWinder DLG OK, I give up. What is "DLG"? -Paul Sal DeFrancesco wrote: Right now we are making the Focus in DLG version. The wings are now Kevlar with carbon fiber reinforcement and CF rods in the wing. I should have pics of the wings on the website next week. Phil Barnes has done a lot of research to get to this point and is now making for NSP the Logic, PsykoLogic, and Focus in DLG versions. The new sailplane after a bit more testing by Mike will most likely go in production (if everything works OK) by June. The wings for the SideWinder are now made by Phil too. The Logic DLG has been flown extensively by Phil. Dave Seay wrote: Me too1 The Discus launch thing is just amazing! Just got a new prototype from Mike Fox. all up weight is 8.2 ounces! this is with 4 servos! He has a faired throwing stick on the wingtip. My first throw was higher than my best javelin launch! I am finally going to beat my Cul De Sac! When does he plan to have them in production and when can we get a look at the plane and a projected price? Dace RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sal DeFrancesco Northeast Sailplane Products 948 Hercules Dr. Suite 12 Colchester, Vt. 05446 802-655-7700 Website: http://www.nesail.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] DLG Opinions
With more and more HLG's being re-released as DLG's, the process of choosing one gets more difficult all the time. I am currently flying a Xterm and it is a gem! The problem is that my back is giving me a lot of problems again and I expect such episodes to more frequent as time goes on. I want to get a DLG (and will probably sell my Xterm) but am not sure which. The 'reasonable' field is currently... Sidewinder, $249, 2 ch Raptor, $325, 2ch Focus, $300, 4 ch Logic, $330, 4 ch Psykologic, $349, 4ch Texas Twister, $275, 4ch and changes each day! So, the prices are about the same so how do you choose? Do you go by wing loading? Is 4 ch superior to 2 in HL? Opinions and recommendations on how to choose? Dave RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] DLG Opinions
Dave Seay wrote: With more and more HLG's being re-released as DLG's, the process of choosing one gets more difficult all the time. I am currently flying a Xterm and it is a gem! The problem is that my back is giving me a lot of problems again and I expect such episodes to more frequent as time goes on. I want to get a DLG (and will probably sell my Xterm) but am not sure which. The 'reasonable' field is currently... Sidewinder, $249, 2 ch Raptor, $325, 2ch Focus, $300, 4 ch Logic, $330, 4 ch Psykologic, $349, 4ch Texas Twister, $275, 4ch and changes each day! So, the prices are about the same so how do you choose? Do you go by wing loading? Is 4 ch superior to 2 in HL? Opinions and recommendations on how to choose? Okay, two comments... (one is a question): (1) What modifications are required to make one a 'DLG'? (2) xterm is a type of 'X11 Windows Terminal' people on UNIX systems use every day. If you are a UNIX user, it is very odd to you to see an HLG glider named that. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] DLG Opinions
Dave Seay wrote: The wing needs to be stronger, the tail should extend above and below the boom and the boom itself needs to be stronger. This is all new to me. But I like the idea of HLG, especially if I don't have to dislocate my should, get arthritis some day, or after a spectacular launch find myself having to run accross the field looking for the arm I used to launch with. Anyway: Why should the tail extend below the boom? Would that make it look like a + (plus) tail? Doesn't that dork out landings? Couldn't you just make the rudder twice as tall? -Paul RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] DLG Opinions
It seems like there is a severe "two camps" division in DLG launch technique. "Dick Barker"-style has the release at max speed with the inside (grasping) wing almost stationary. The other camp is the "Equal Speed"-style where the throwing hand moves forward quickly during release in the direction of flight (no rudder pre-set needed). I think Dick's method generates greater velocity (on the outside panel at least), but is really a no-win trade off. (NOTE: I don't fly DLG, but am shopping for a design so I can start. These comments are based on observation only. IHLGF video rewind-pause-slo-mo, Twister video rewind -pause-slo-mo, Endless Lift rewind -pause-slo-mo, etc.) Barker-esque analysis: The difference between the slower "inside" wing and the outside wing has to be equaled out in order to continue the launch without a snap-roll. The rudder preset causes drag. The positive side is that the pilot's spinning is constant through the launch and the launching hand is brought from behind the body, alongside the body, and then across the front to release (pretty easy to develop a good style). Equal-speed analysis: There is no pre-set drag except for elevator to tweak the release attitude. There is much less stress on the fuselage (in the boom area at least). The speed of launch at release is the only compromise. The launching hand comes from behind to along side the pilot's body. At that point, the body stops rotation (inasmuch as it contributes to a better launch speed) and the launch hand continues on its path in the direction of launch to release. Still, the advantage is the swinging weight and inertia gained during the spin (and less airframe stress). The Wurts-Javelin does this with the pre-launch run. Isolate the arm from the body (encase yourself in cement except for your throwing arm) and both styles have similar launch potential. When you use the Barker-esque launch, don't you give up a good amount of speed (energy) in straightening the flight path out...and is that equal to the Equal-speed launch energy? Anyway: Why should the tail extend below the boom? Would that make it look like a + (plus) tail? Doesn't that dork out landings? Couldn't you just make the rudder twice as tall? Theory is that the twisting load on the boom during launch is too great. When countered by the rudder, having it centered on the boom makes it less twisty. Not a "+" tail, Dick Barker makes his a T-tail. Landings aren't too bad, and most are hand-catches in competition anyhow. Twice as tall rudders make the twisty situation worse. - David [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] SideWinder DLG
Okay I give? Who is the pilot? You say you were there, saw it happen, know that there may have been a 25+ lbs. battery thrown on the fuse, could have structural failure due to misplaced battery, you know all this but dont know the name or if this is a commercially sold plane? Again it is becoming obvious that you are holding back information. --- Rick Brown and Jill Wiest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert J wrote: what you are saying it is pilot error?\ Most broken airplanes are pilot error. I've seen many a good javelin launch plane break on launch. Design/structural problem? Most times it's throwing technique. Is it any differnent for DLG? I think any plane CAN be broken if you try hard enough. So? Is this a commercial dlg? You seem to be avoiding the question? Not sure if this plane had a name yet. You'd have to talk to the pilot for the plane name and also the history of this particular plane. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] hitec Eclipse
Who is selling the Eclipse . I am looking for just the TX and the Spectra module but if available without I do not even need the TX module since I have one already. Thankyou. Rick RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] See this amazing slope!
OOO. Gliders and paragliding! Now you're talking! A week ago I went to the Fresno Classic Glider contest, and just yesterday I spent the day at Monterey paragliding. For those who are interested, I've got pictures of both located on my website at: http://webpages.charter.net/lotus/ Dave K. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] positive postings please!
Paul, et al, I don't think that anyone posting to a list should post things not intended for general comsumption. And eveyone, when posting, should really try to keep it on a positive note. Paul Klissner wrote: Rick Brown and Jill Wiest wrote: Oh, so sorry Paul. Didn't realize that with all the talk about freedom of speech that you were keeping your comments private. You know damned well if it was meant for RCSE it would not have been sent to you alone. Oh well. Its your credibility, not mine. If you want to be the Linda Tripp of RCSE, be my guest. I'd rather be known as someone who complained a bit much, than as a hypocrit who could not be trusted. I won't stop you from forwarding this, or would it not serve your ulterior motives? I mean why would I intend this to be anymore private than the last? Anyway, anyone who was paying any attention knows your true colors now anyway. I know people who complain, but are honest. I may not like everything about their style, but underneath it all, I know they believe in what they are saying, and may even be conveying something of value. But more importantly, I can respect their character. With you, I can appreciatea few of your fine words. But beneath it all, I can see that you're a weasel, a liar and a traitor.Now if someone were to put values on all of these things, what I have done, and you, I'm afraid you'd go down in the losers hall of fame. Personally, I wouldn't forward this, but if you must I guess I can't stop you. -Paul RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] positive postings please!
Is this another way you are trying to avoid my questions? You rubbed Paul threw the coals, now you are on the chopping block and you are sending out what seems to be an a apology. Whats up with you? --- Rick Brown and Jill Wiest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul, et al, I don't think that anyone posting to a list should post things not intended for general comsumption. And eveyone, when posting, should really try to keep it on a positive note. Paul Klissner wrote: Rick Brown and Jill Wiest wrote: Oh, so sorry Paul. Didn't realize that with all the talk about freedom of speech that you were keeping your comments private. You know damned well if it was meant for RCSE it would not have been sent to you alone. Oh well. Its your credibility, not mine. If you want to be the Linda Tripp of RCSE, be my guest. I'd rather be known as someone who complained a bit much, than as a hypocrit who could not be trusted. I won't stop you from forwarding this, or would it not serve your ulterior motives? I mean why would I intend this to be anymore private than the last? Anyway, anyone who was paying any attention knows your true colors now anyway. I know people who complain, but are honest. I may not like everything about their style, but underneath it all, I know they believe in what they are saying, and may even be conveying something of value. But more importantly, I can respect their character. With you, I can appreciatea few of your fine words. But beneath it all, I can see that you're a weasel, a liar and a traitor.Now if someone were to put values on all of these things, what I have done, and you, I'm afraid you'd go down in the losers hall of fame. Personally, I wouldn't forward this, but if you must I guess I can't stop you. -Paul RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] DLG learning curve
Don't know the plane. Couldn't recognize the pilot in a line up. And the tale of the battery and the fuse is just that. The point is that saying a plane broke in use is not good info. If you find out that over time many of a particular design has had structural failures that means something. An isolated event means nothing. Many good planes are going to be broken by bad throwing technique in the coming year. GOOD planes, BAD technique. That's all. Maybe you should ask the 'father of DLG' how many planes he has broken learning to throw discus style. Later... Robert J wrote: Okay I give? Who is the pilot? You say you were there, saw it happen, know that there may have been a 25+ lbs. battery thrown on the fuse, could have structural failure due to misplaced battery, you know all this but dont know the name or if this is a commercially sold plane? Again it is becoming obvious that you are holding back information. --- Rick Brown and Jill Wiest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert J wrote: what you are saying it is pilot error?\ Most broken airplanes are pilot error. I've seen many a good javelin launch plane break on launch. Design/structural problem? Most times it's throwing technique. Is it any differnent for DLG? I think any plane CAN be broken if you try hard enough. So? Is this a commercial dlg? You seem to be avoiding the question? Not sure if this plane had a name yet. You'd have to talk to the pilot for the plane name and also the history of this particular plane. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] DLG learning curve
B R wrote: Hey buddy, welcome back to the list. Got the name of that mold maker? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Re: questions answers DLGs
You ARE avoiding my questions. Who Is the Pilot or what is the plane? I do think you drug Paul threw the coals and I am beginning to believe you are a but hole. snip from Rick B. Maybe the question you should ask the list is are there are any DLG's to be avoided or ones they know to be bad or weak designs. You seen one and you won't say who the pilot or the plane was? --- Rick Brown and Jill Wiest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I am not avoiding the question. I have answered your question. You just don't like the answer. I'm not rubbing Paul through the coals. He has posted some negative comments to me, that is all, and I have replied to his messages. Like I said, I would recommend that anyone posting to a list should not write anything that they would not mind getting out there. Not that you should not make a private post if that's what you want but don't make one you wouldn't want others to see. Maybe the question you should ask the list is are there are any DLG's to be avoided or ones they know to be bad or weak designs. I don't fly any DLG design and can't comment on any of them at this time. Robert J wrote: Is this another way you are trying to avoid my questions? You rubbed Paul threw the coals, now you are on the chopping block and you are sending out what seems to be an a apology. Whats up with you? --- Rick Brown and Jill Wiest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul, et al, I don't think that anyone posting to a list should post things not intended for general comsumption. And eveyone, when posting, should really try to keep it on a positive note. Paul Klissner wrote: Rick Brown and Jill Wiest wrote: Oh, so sorry Paul. Didn't realize that with all the talk about freedom of speech that you were keeping your comments private. You know damned well if it was meant for RCSE it would not have been sent to you alone. Oh well. Its your credibility, not mine. If you want to be the Linda Tripp of RCSE, be my guest. I'd rather be known as someone who complained a bit much, than as a hypocrit who could not be trusted. I won't stop you from forwarding this, or would it not serve your ulterior motives? I mean why would I intend this to be anymore private than the last? Anyway, anyone who was paying any attention knows your true colors now anyway. I know people who complain, but are honest. I may not like everything about their style, but underneath it all, I know they believe in what they are saying, and may even be conveying something of value. But more importantly, I can respect their character. With you, I can appreciatea few of your fine words. But beneath it all, I can see that you're a weasel, a liar and a traitor.Now if someone were to put values on all of these things, what I have done, and you, I'm afraid you'd go down in the losers hall of fame. Personally, I wouldn't forward this, but if you must I guess I can't stop you. -Paul RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] portable glider for travelling
I did not bring any glider with me on a recent trip to Indonesia... one more thing I will regret for the rest of my life...to see the photos: http://home.hkstar.com/~raywong/paragliding/album.htm I should have brought with me my Passaj flying wing, 48" span, all glass molded , breaks down into two 24" halves and detachable wing tips. I think it will fit in the hand carry luggage too. Raymond Wong Hong Kong RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Good, Bad DGLs
All, Since some interested parties out there don't like the answers I am giving, can some with a good base of DLG experience chime in. I am not interested in DLG's at this time but I guess the question from those who intend to purchase is... Are there any DLG designs to be avoided or that are know to be sub-par? Any with know structural defects or problems? Later... Later RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] DLG learning curve
Well I don't feel very good about myself. Nor what I started. Saying anything negative about vendors or their products just seems not to serve any productive purpose, nor solve anything, but rather gets everyone in a snit, and gets a lot of people angry at me. RCSE is no place for holy wars. I regret the negative personal things I said. Its a misuse of the human spirit and I know better than that.I'll cool it . If I fly when I'm upset, my gliders crash, when I post while upset, my reputation suffers. Maybe I should learn to River Dance and do that when I'm frustrated. I'm sure some of you would like that :) -Paul B R wrote: Hey Paul Klissner, See how this guy crumbles when things are turned around on him. He can?t remember anything, now he is dumb. I have had interactions with him and you would have thought he invented r/c. This guy IMO is an A** HOLE. Everyone should heed any information this guy spews out as questionable. I said this to him and I will say it publicly, THIS GUY LOVES TO HERE HIMSELF TALK. Hey Rick, I am back on the list??.. --- Rick Brown and Jill Wiest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't know the plane. Couldn't recognize the pilot in a line up. And the tale of the battery and the fuse is just that. The point is that saying a plane broke in use is not good info. If you find out that over time many of a particular design has had structural failures that means something. An isolated event means nothing. Many good planes are going to be broken by bad throwing technique in the coming year. GOOD planes, BAD technique. That's all. Maybe you should ask the 'father of DLG' how many planes he has broken learning to throw discus style. Later... Robert J wrote: Okay I give? Who is the pilot? You say you were there, saw it happen, know that there may have been a 25+ lbs. battery thrown on the fuse, could have structural failure due to misplaced battery, you know all this but don?t know the name or if this is a commercially sold plane? Again it is becoming obvious that you are holding back information. --- Rick Brown and Jill Wiest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert J wrote: what you are saying it is pilot error?\ Most broken airplanes are pilot error. I've seen many a good javelin launch plane break on launch. Design/structural problem? Most times it's throwing technique. Is it any differnent for DLG? I think any plane CAN be broken if you try hard enough. So? Is this a commercial dlg? You seem to be avoiding the question? Not sure if this plane had a name yet. You'd have to talk to the pilot for the plane name and also the history of this particular plane. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] just another negative post
B R wrote: Fuck the mold maker, how dose it feel to be out of the closet as a dumb fuck? --- Rick Brown and Jill Wiest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: B R wrote: Hey buddy, welcome back to the list. Got the name of that mold maker? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Good, Bad DGLs
BUT YOU SAID YOU WERE THERE... COME ON RICK, WHO WAS THE PILOT YOU SAID TO ASK? DON'T CLIMB INTO YOUR SHELL. SPILL THE TRUTH. WHAT? NO GUTS? WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? YOU SAID YOU WERE THERE AT THE TIME IT HAPPENED, YOU SHOULD KNOW WHO THREW THE DISINTEGRATING DL ON LAUNCH AND WHO MAY HAVE THROWN A 12 VOLT BATTERY ON HIS FUSE AND NOT NOTICED THE STRESS CRACKS. OR WHAT EVER? Come on Rick, tell us .. --- Rick Brown and Jill Wiest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, Since some interested parties out there don't like the answers I am giving, can some with a good base of DLG experience chime in. I am not interested in DLG's at this time but I guess the question from those who intend to purchase is... Are there any DLG designs to be avoided or that are know to be sub-par? Any with know structural defects or problems? Later... Later RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Re: just another negative post
Let this be a lesson. This was a private note to Rick. I believe Paul had the same comment. --- Rick Brown and Jill Wiest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: B R wrote: Fuck the mold maker, how dose it feel to be out of the closet as a dumb fuck? --- Rick Brown and Jill Wiest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: B R wrote: Hey buddy, welcome back to the list. Got the name of that mold maker? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Fwd: Re: [RCSE] Good, Bad DGLs]
This question was really for posting to the list since I am not the one wanting answers and opinions to this question. Anyone else caring to reply, please do so to the list. I think Craig has a valid point. Thanks Rick, It's really to early to tell. I've busted a couple recently but am throwing pretty hard and the designs are still being perfected. Unfortunately with stuff this new some customers are going to be part of the research team and may break the odd airplane before the gliders are optimised. Craig. - Original Message - From: Rick Brown and Jill Wiest To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 9:01 PM Subject: [RCSE] Good, Bad DGLs All,Since some interested parties out there don't like the answers I amgiving, can some with a good base of DLG experience chime in.I am not interested in DLG's at this time but I guess the question fromthose who intend to purchase is...Are there any DLG designs to be avoided or that are know to be sub-par?Any with know structural defects or problems?Later...LaterRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
