Re: [RCSE] Summa Classic : No It's Evolution
It is only 99. Much smaller than the 134 molded open class planes. My Stork cost $650 and was almost ready to fly. Had to install electronics and that was all. T Rick Brown and Jill Wiest wrote: I may have been mistaken on the price. Still a great price for a molded plane. Now I'm wondering if they can produce this(molded) plane for under $400 why are most of the others priced at around $700 or more. Seems like a big jump in price for the same type of ship. Is the SUMMA that much less of a plane? Tom Broeski wrote: Let me know where you saw it, cause they are usually $400. Rick Brown and Jill Wiest wrote: Thought I saw an add for the SUMMA CLASSIC that advertized under $300. If you figure the price of a kit(thinking of some built-ups around $125 or more), coverings, glues, and the other few extras needed to finish a built up kit the price of the SUMMA isn't too bad. From: Marta Zavala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 1:09 AM To: Robert Hawkins; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Summa Classic Wow! Try to institue a simple, fun, reasonably priced class that might attract some flyers wishing to take a stab at competition w/o spending an arm and a leg - sure enough some one comes along and screws everything up by making an expensive moldie for the class. Will it ever end??? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TG http://adesigner.com/invention 32 Mount View Dr. Afton, VA 22920 540 943-3356 Fax 540 943-4178 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TG http://adesigner.com/invention 32 Mount View Dr. Afton, VA 22920 540 943-3356 Fax 540 943-4178 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Website update !
Hi to all , The Composite Scale models site has been updated with the secure server order facility available and also a pics of the raw Fox kit in the Sailplanes section . Also have a look at the Documentation Section . Regards John Copeland www.compositescalemodels.com.au RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] FS: Sledgers Laser 2 Meter TD ship
Sal, It can be and probably is a Laser 2M. I owned a Laser 2M that was purchased from Ed before you bought out the rights to the plane. Shortly after I purchased mine is when you bought the rights and then Ed changed the planform slightly and brought out the Faser. Shortly after that he started offering the Faser 2M composite plane with a 7035. So depending on how old the kit it is, Steve may have a Laser 2M for sale that he purchased from Ed Slegers. See Ya, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS Ps, I might also add that the plane is a rock solid performing 2M that can launch with the best of them. - Original Message - From: Sal DeFrancesco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Steve Giron [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] FS: Sledgers Laser 2 Meter TD ship Can't be a Laser 2M. That kit is made and owned by NSP. You must mean a Faser! Steve Giron wrote: Sledgers International Laser 2 Meter TD Ship FuseWorks Fuse Slip on nose cone 7037 Obechi over foam wings 3/8 inch carbon fiber wing rod Kit has been started Aileron/flaps have been cut from the wings Wingtips and tail tips have been attatched and contour sanded Leading edges and trailing edges have been attatched and contoured What's left? Build the rudder Drill a hole for the wingrod in the fuse Face and taper the LE of the aileron/flaps Install the bellcrank Install your radio gear and fly Will ship in original box and include original cores Pics here http://members.home.net/sgiron/laser/laser1.jpg http://members.home.net/sgiron/laser/laser2.jpg $200 and we'll split shipping RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sal DeFrancesco Northeast Sailplane Products 948 Hercules Dr. Suite 12 Colchester, Vt. 05446 802-655-7700 Website: http://www.nesail.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Update ;New Volz Servo mounts in Muller Escape?
Just got a post from Sean P of AeroModel, supplier of the Escape, he has tried to fit the mounts but inspite of their really tiny profile the hole is just too tight. Plus it is very annoying working with these mounts as they have to be weighted down when on the bench as they tend to float up into the basement rafters, or ceiling fans. So never mind :-) G
[RCSE] Re:Price of a plane?
In a message dated 5/26/2001 3:22:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BTW What is the price of one of those FULL scale gliders? Random picks from the latest Soaring magazine for sale section: Libelle 201 $15,000 Grob 102 clubIIIB $19,995 LS-6 (nationals winner) $39,900 Nimbus 3 25.5 meter $47,000 Schweizer 1-26B $8,600 ASW-20 $20,900 Discus A (world record holder) $49,000 Good used Glass is cheaper than a new SUV, and uses a lot less fuel. Go on out and try a ride, or buy a sailplane! Mark Navarre ASW-20 OD Landing out at a field near you... - RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Cool Exhibit
Hi Gang, Last night my wife and I took the family to Exploration Place (Museum and Science Center) for an evening of fun and exploration. With Wichita being the Air Capital of the World of course they have a major exhibit dedicated to the science of flight. One of the exhibits has a mock up of a wind tunnel which uses liquid instead of air to show the effects of flow over various shapes. I have to admit I must have spent at least 30-45 minutes setting at this exhibit making different slope designs and looking at the effects made. It shows a perfect explanation of the boundary layer used in DS'ing and of the stagnant air area behind the hill. I was explaining what was going on to my son and it was not too long before there was a small crowd of people gathered around getting a little lesson in the phenomenon of DS. I wish Joe Wurts had been there to really give them (and me) a real lesson. If any of you ever make it to Wichita and would like to go look me up, we have season passes so I could get you in for free. See Ya, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Oleg's RDS contribution
Oleg Golovidov, I have read your note in RCSE about RDS. I have not actually built an RDS setup, but I have done some considerable thinking about it. Also, I have been back and forth with Harley a few times and in the end I understood what he is doing. I also think that I have some idea what is troubling you. Let's say there are three elements to the system. 1. The surface hingeline. 2. The shaft from the servo. 3. The bent piece that fits in the pocket. The ideal RDS setup would be to have the axes of all three elements intersecting. You might also have a little roller bearing at the tip of the bent piece to reduce friction and to make sure that the moment is taken out with the least force (longest moment arm). Lastly, the shaft would be well and fully supported near the hingeline. This setup would have no slop, minimum forces, and no binding. You could use this system in an airliner and it would work well and last forever. This is not how Harley does it. Harley's way works just fine all the same. What Harley does is to use a vertically slotted bearing at the rear spar for the shaft. Instead of taking the moment out between the shaft bearing and the tip of the bent piece, Harley takes all of the moment out in the bent piece by contact with the parallel plates. The front of the bent piece presses on the parallel plates one way, and the tip of the bent piece presses the other way. This gives a shorter moment arm and greater forces (and friction) but it still works. The slot in the shaft bearing restricts spanwise motion but permits vertical motion. This permits a vertical misalignment between the hinge axis and the shaft/bent piece axes. As to the pulling in/out (chordwise direction) I thought that Rob Crockett's contribution was good - set the shaft length with the flap down - that ought to get things pretty close since the bent piece can slide chordwise within the parallel plates at smaller deflections. !! Note also that by slotting the shaft bearing that the vertical motion of the shaft also accommodates (makes up for) in-out disagreements!! The fact that skilled and discriminating modelers are happy using RDS is concrete evidence that the kinematics work. It has been my experience in modeling that when my theoretical model and reliable experimental data disagree that my theoretical model needs some work! Or that I am missing something. You might want to check out my website. I offer an inexpensive spreadsheet that works out servo linkage geometry and torques for several setups, including RDS. I also have comments about RDS in the website that do not incorporate these more recent insights - I have not updated it yet... That's all for now. Blaine Beron-Rawdon Envision Design San Pedro, California http://memebers.home.net/evdesign/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Sal got this one right! Psy-lite
I have been keeping an eye on things in TD and see lots of Artemis moldies doing well in the moldy group but in the bagged plane group, the new Psycho Lite is really proving to be the plane that is doing well for the group of guys usually in the top ten finishers. While the Addiction series of planes (since each Addiction is specific to the orderer there really is only an Addiction fuse and feathers) has done super too, they are pretty hard to get. NSP's Psycho Lite is a single consistant model that seems to have that mix of reliability and performance we all hope for in our new model. For instance, In a recent contest in Cincy, I saw them float in light stuff and come home with moldies in windy way downwind conditions. The launches were consistant regardless of owner and equal to all the ships out there. Landings were runway style and the Psy-lites stayed on track and slowed so that seldom did I see any spin outs for lost points. Very much like the Mantis landings and unlike some of the moldies which had to rely on stick-ins to avoid twisting away from the line. In Florida a while back I saw exactly the same performances. I am not sure what is different about the Psy-lites and the Spot Dorkers but an interview with 'Flyin-Brian' Smith (one of the south's best thumbs) he says he's owned em both and while the Psy-Lite is a little faster in the air, he feels the PL has easily brought his confidence level way up during those downwind chases and returns. Thought you guys would like to know. What am I currently working on? A Psy-Antis. Its a set of Mantis wings and tail feathers with a Terry Luchanbach fuselage which is similar to the mantis pod and boom fuse but with a psycho ish nose and cone versus the blob. Why the scientist? Just in the mood to do some building :-) Gordy
Re: [RCSE] FS: Sledgers Laser 2 Meter TD ship
Nope, I still mean a Laser not a Faser. The Faser is the name of the newer Laser from Sledgers. Here's the info sheet from the box. http://members.home.net/sgiron/laser/laserinfo.jpg - Original Message - From: Sal DeFrancesco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Steve Giron [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] FS: Sledgers Laser 2 Meter TD ship Can't be a Laser 2M. That kit is made and owned by NSP. You must mean a Faser! Steve Giron wrote: Sledgers International Laser 2 Meter TD Ship FuseWorks Fuse Slip on nose cone 7037 Obechi over foam wings 3/8 inch carbon fiber wing rod Kit has been started Aileron/flaps have been cut from the wings Wingtips and tail tips have been attatched and contour sanded Leading edges and trailing edges have been attatched and contoured What's left? Build the rudder Drill a hole for the wingrod in the fuse Face and taper the LE of the aileron/flaps Install the bellcrank Install your radio gear and fly Will ship in original box and include original cores Pics here http://members.home.net/sgiron/laser/laser1.jpg http://members.home.net/sgiron/laser/laser2.jpg $200 and we'll split shipping RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sal DeFrancesco Northeast Sailplane Products 948 Hercules Dr. Suite 12 Colchester, Vt. 05446 802-655-7700 Website: http://www.nesail.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Equipment for sale
After contemplating keeping my wing cutting service going I have decided to close it down. I have also decided to sell the wing cutter if there is an interested party. I have a few remaining wing sets to cut and then will shut down. I am doing this because of personal time restrictions. The wingcraft.com URL can be made available to the purchaser if they want to use this as a business, this is an advantage since it is listed on some search engines and websites already. I will provide the files for the standard wing set but customer wings will only be supplied with their permission. The machine has been modified from the original photos on the website. The table now has interchangeable leafs for different widths of cuts. The wire carriages are suspended from the cross rails so that they can be moved towards each other. This increases the accuracy of the cuts for short spans. The electronics used are Pacific Scientific 5210 stepper motor drivers coupled to custom electronics that interface with the French software. This simplifies the circuitry and provides protection from over temp, short circuits, etc. Wire temperature is also controlled from the computer and can be set for different foams, cutting speeds/temp and hotwire bows. A Pentium 133 computer controls the system (monitor is not included). 200 step stepper motors are coupled to the 10 TPI Acme lead screws. Anti backlash polymer nuts are used on the axis and provide positive control. Polymer linear bearings are used for guiding the carriages. Maximum cutting cube 48x 28x 9 ½ I am asking $2,500.00US for the system plus shipping. If you are interested please contact me for further details. Sorry if this is a repeat I sent it earlier using the wrong email address. --Greg Nuspel Wingcraft the core of great models. http://www.wingcraft.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Cool Weather site/utility
Sorry... forgot to add the URL. Silly me. http://aws.com/comps/corp/default.asp?showlogo=1boturl=http://aws.com/insta weather.asp At 06:46 AM 5/25/01 -0700, you wrote: On 5/24/2001 9:23 AM, David J. Schat wrote: Check out Weather Bug It's a cool 'real time' weather reporting site that places the current temperature in your tray on the tool bar next to the time. If you click on the temp a window pops up and you get full weather with wind speed and direction. The monitor for my area is 4 miles from my office. Nice, since I work in a facility with no windows. Where did you get it from? -- Keith RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Cool Weather site/utility
or On 26 May 2001, at 8:42, David J. Schat wrote: Sorry... forgot to add the URL. Silly me. http://aws.com/comps/corp/default.asp?showlogo=1boturl=http://aws.com /insta weather.asp or http://www.xcweather.co.uk/ is good for UK, France and Germany Ade ICQ. 75653589 www.adesite.co.uk ade.honda-mini.co.uk www.mini-list.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Mantis - Psy-Antis???
I wouldn't refer to this as a Psy-Antis, as this is Terry's nicer looking molded version of a Mantis fuse with a slip on nose cone. I think of these planes more as a Mantis 'ala Luckenbaugh'. I've seen a couple of guys flying these now, Terry's fuse design with Mantis wings, at the last ESL contest. Terry's fuse design is very nice compared to the bare bones carbon rod and small nose pod. It's got the wing pylon molded right in too, rather than having to assemble the pylon to the carbon rod. There are more of these to come I'm sure, as a number of flyers have gotten Terry's fuse to use with their Mantis wings and tails. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What am I currently working on? A Psy-Antis. Its a set of Mantis wings and tail feathers with a Terry Luchanbach fuselage which is similar to the mantis pod and boom fuse but with a psycho ish nose and cone versus the blob. Why the scientist? Just in the mood to do some building :-) Gordy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] NSP Omega as DLHGL?
Has anyone considered converting one of the NSP Omega's to DL? I picked up one of these last summer later in the season and didn't get around to putting it together then. Now, DL is the rage and I have one very obsolete HLG. Reading some of what others have said and looking at it, I have hope. I think that the original v-tail may work ok as it is an aileron ship, but more likely I'll need to shorten the fuselage slightly and put on a regular rudder/stab combo. As for the wing, I think the composite LE/TE may be sufficiently strong... this is why I'm thinking this way at all. I'd expect I'd want to glue together the center section (instead of just bolting it onto the fuse) and add some sheet-fill reinforcement around the throwing peg area, perhaps filling in 2-3 tip bays with light balsa, along with a kevlar patch top and bottom. Thoughts? TIA! Greg Stewart (Minneapolis, MN, USA) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Mantis - Psy-Antis???
In a message dated 5/26/2001 11:53:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wouldn't refer to this as a Psy-Antis, as this is Terry's nicer looking molded version of a Mantis fuse with a slip on nose cone. I think of these planes more as a Mantis 'ala Luckenbaugh'. Thanks Rick, I too don't think the Mantis should be linked in any way with the Psy-whatever. Bill Grenoble RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] F3F at Los Banos
In a message dated 5/25/01 7:02:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone know what Sunday of the month F3F is flown at Los Banos? Thanks That would be the second Sunday of every month. Pilots meeting around noon. Hope to see you there! Dave RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
