Re: [RCSE] Highlander
Highlander, building do's and what noit to do. Is full house the best or will Poly be ok. which Servos are fit best? Lots of building tips, pictures, and other Highlander info at http://msinow.com/rc/ -- see Highlander Page. Poly is the best choice for thermal flying (unless you already generally prefer aileron flying), and aileron version is the best choice for slope flying, in my opinion. HS-85MG or HS-81MG metal gear servos are perfect. Good luck! David Cole Fort Worth, Texas http://msinow.com/rc/ - R/C Sailplane site for beginners RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Summa Classic
There are some GREAT prizes in stock for the lucky winners at this year's Spring Fling 2001 raffle. The brand new Summa Classic RES/Standard Class sailplane from RnR is up for grabs. A couple of other big ticket items include a JR 8103 radio, a beautiful PD 2000 full house open class ship and a Futaba 8 AUF radio. S.F. is only 3 weeks away. June 20th is the entry cutoff date. Many frequencies are sold out. Late sign-ups; be sure to check if your frequency is available before sending your entry form. A pilots list is on the Spring Fling page of the SVSS web site. http://www.svss.org/spring.htm RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] A Good HL is Worth Every Penney!!
I finally flew the Secret HL purchased from Oleg that Gordy had reviewed in RCSD. It was the first time I had flown a HL in the 8 ounce range, my previous planes had always started at 10 ounces, and took on weight. Having heard the expression, going up on a gopher fart, this is the first time I really believed it. I started flying after 5:00 pm, which normally would be about the end of any useable thermal activity, but found the plane reacting to lift right away. It wasn't long, and the Secret was climbing in lift. I would climb to a couple hundred feet, and fly back for another throw. Almost every throw, the plane would hit lift and climb. What is really amazing, is how the plane signals the lift for you, even weak lift. Bill Kuhl RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] 100 Carrera Trico 2001 for sale CHEAP
This is an old plane from Carrera. For most of you who don't know that name, they were one of the earlier Euro-manufacturers of pretty airplanes, pre-moldie days Glass fuse Full flying plug in stabs Plug in wings Obechi sheeted, White film covered wings and stabs, white fuse, blue canopy A lazy day flyer. Looks sort of like a Salto and is in great shape considering its many years. 2 channel, must have elevon mixing on your TX for the full flying V tails (although the original mechanical mixer that came with it will come along if you wanted to make it stock and use a simple 2 channel radio). Complete with 2 Airtronics Mini Servos and plan Got this from a dead guy and it should be flying. Just add RX and Batt and fly. I have flown it and it cores a thermal really well. Should be selling it for $200 but I am not interested in discussing its finer details, this is one of those cool deals everyone else seems to get, here's your chance. If you are into unusual scale looking oldtimers this ones for you. The first $90 + $10 shippingTakes it. Instruction Manual included with plan. Wait to talk about it and it will be gone I am in Nashville this week but you can get me mobile or take a chance via email :-) Gordy Stahl 9303 LeBeau Ct Louisville Ky 40299 502-777-0255 mobile
[RCSE] Impound frequency stickers.
Going through my surplus stuff, I found I have some really nice sets of red and white, pressure-sensitive, vinyl frequency stickers stored away. These were made by ACE R/C to identify transmitter locations in an impound. They measure 1-1/2 x 2. They cover the whole aircraft frequency range and there are 6 of almost each one. If any contest organizers can use these, they are yours for $10. Figure $3.50 shipping. Harley Michaelis, LSF023, 26 S. Roosevelt, Walla Walla, WA. 99362. (509)529-2562 RDS website: http://www.proptwisters.org/rds2/index.html RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Hand Launch Wing dimples
Hey John, I have removed fingerprint dimples from a bagged wing before using the following method. lay a small piece of paper towell down over the dimple. Drip a few drops of water on the paper towell where the dimple is. Now use a monokote iron on low to medium heat and place it on the damp paper towell. Move it around a bit so the heat does not build up too quickly. If the dimple is not too big, it will go away. I would imagine the heat causes the foam to swell a bit and push the dimple back up. Give it a try it might work for you. Be carefull with the heat though as HLG wings are quite thin. Best regards, Marc From: gldrgidr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Hand Launch Wing dimples Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 23:19:19 -0400 Recently I started flying a HLG with a wing that is fiberglass over pink foam. After years of flying built up HLG's, I was surprised at how easy it is to permanently dimple these FG wings. After only a short time, my wing has many small dimples (about 1/4 across), especially on the top surface. The public field we fly out of has dandelions with dimple producing flower pods. Is it practical to try to fill in these depressions in order to smooth the surface? Has anyone tried this before. What materials would be used? I thought of using auto body filler, epoxy with microbaloons, or light weight spackling. What's the best procedure to sand the filler smooth? Any recommendations? thanks, John _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] contest
Uh huh.And who were they??? And what were they flying?? Brian Smith From: Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] contest Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 06:59:07 -0400 My thanks to the CD of TRI STATE for runnning a great contest in REALLY BAD weather it was fun . And a well done to the men from MARS team that finished one two threeRLB RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Impound stickers
are sold. Harley Michaelis, LSF023, 26 S. Roosevelt, Walla Walla, WA. 99362. (509)529-2562 RDS website: http://www.proptwisters.org/rds2/index.html RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] F3J new tow rules in a contest
Steven, The vectors and line speed issues are actually very similar. In using real world situatsion to explain things, lets look at hte difference between a straight tow and Jim's/SOAR setup. I totally understand your comments on line speed, but remember, there are MANY other variables (wind gradients, force vectors, line length, lift vectors, plane velocity, apparent wind, etc) that come into play. But lets move on. What is the reason for using a pulley? In a 2 man pulley tow, the main reason is to increase line speed for the first 1/3 or so of the launch during light or no wind. During the first part of the tow the lift vector of the plan only points slightly up. The majority of hte lift that is generated is in a horizontal plane, not a vertical one. So the goal is to increase the total amount of lift, as well as the plane's speed in order to quickly get the plane aloft and into a position where the plane's lift vectors are oriented better to gain altitude. So the first 1/3 of the launch, the line speed (and coresponding plane speed) generates all the altitude. The next 1/3 of launch has the plane at around a 45 or so degree climb angle to the ground. The plane's lift vector is approaching vertical once you add in the apparent wind (go to a sailing book to get a definition on this). Often in windy conditions, the towers are stopped during this phase, and even a two man pulley tow in light wind can be stopped. The line force is still there, but the difference is now that the plane's acceleration has stopped (or slowed) and hte lift vector is finally close to opposite of gravity. So more of the line force can be placed into generating lift, resulting in an increase in line tension. Often a 2 man pulley tow can be stopped in light or greater wind! A straight tow the people finally feel tension here. The last section is the zoom. This part turns the line tension into airplane speed. Basiclly no amount of running will contribute to the plane's speed...it is already going to fast. So it is 100% line tension/force. The resultant height is a combination of the plane + line length + airplane speed. More line left out means the plane is higher at the beginning of the zoom. More speed = more vertical velocity. So when comparing the two tows (straight vs Jim's) you look at the three sections. - section one - initial launch. No difference at all here. In both cases line speed is equal, plane velocity is similar and the force vectors are about the same. Some difference is apparent as the plane climbs because the pulley shortens the line to the plane, but again, the main reason for using hte pulley is to increase line speed. Jim's use does not increase the line speed during this initial launch section, so the net gain is minimal if any. - section two - climb. As before, most of the lift vectors are pointing up here. Line tension is the key, combined with line length. We want to climb as high as possible, as fast as possible. Shortening the line has decreased the arc length for Jim's plane, so the plane will see a slight gain in velocity, but at the cost of launch height. The 2 man straight tow is still working on a 150meter or so line length, Jim may be down to around 130 now (based on what I saw during their tower's runs). The force is still approx the same since as we talked about before, the tension is often enough in wind to stop the towers. In light wind Jim may have a slight advantage here because with the shorter arc they can get a higher plane velocity. - section three - zoom. This converts the line tension into plane speed. Jim's method may have slightly more plane speed on exiting the zoom. Again, they are still handicapped by the plane's height...up to 15-20 meters lower than a straight tow at this point. So yes, marginally higher plane velocity can make up for some of the plane height loss, but not fully. In the end, I state again, there is minimal difference between the two (Jim's launch method and a straight tow). The main difference is that there is again a fixed object that could be launched if improperly used. Not that I thought they did anything wrong, but again, the safety risk is raised over a 2 man tow, with little or no gain. From Jim's (and others) own admissions, they were not launching as high as many of hte other teams, with the highest being a straight tow group! So again, I question the reasoning of safety, when the safety rish is higher over a comparable launch method. Jason Werner - Original Message - From: Steven Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jason Werner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] F3J new tow rules in a contest At 11:57 PM 6/1/2001 -0400, Jason Werner wrote: First of all, we all agree that the stake/pulley as used by you all gains no advantage mechanically over a straight tow.
[RCSE] FOR SALE
1) N.I.B: Multiplex IPD, 7-channel Rx w/ xtal on CH51. $67 includes priority mail to the lower 48 states. 2) N.I.B: Berg 6 FM, six-channel Rx w/ xtal on CH51. front-type plugs (not end-type). $42 includes priority mail to the lower 48 states. 3) N.I.B: Volz Zip servos (qty: 2) with JR/Hitec/Multiplex plugs. $60 for the pair, includes priority mail to the lower 48 states. 4) N.I.B kit: Pixel pitcheron slope racer by Airtech. SD7003 airfoil, all-molded construction, white w/ red undersides. This is a very fast and agile ship. Best offer I'll respond to interested parties in the order that their e-mails are time-stamped. RR RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] DLG and Gyros
Which gyros are folks using. The Expert Electronics EX-100 is under 1/2 ounce. Is that the most popular out that IDLGF. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Best Mould Release Wax?
I know this question has been asked before, but I would like to hear from some people with 1st hand practical experience with moulded wings. I am looking for a a wax that can be used without a release agent (PVA or..) and has the following 2 qualities: 1) Wing releases easily from mould 2) Does not cause the surface paint to bead-up or fish eye Anyone tried the brown TAP Plastics wax, marked simply 'Mould Release Wax'? Thanks, Gavin RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] high start turnaround
Ed, I looked at the use of a turnaround with a high start and decided that it was not a good idea. Indeed, the turnaround would eliminate the weight of the rubber. However, an energy calculation indicates that the energy used to lift up the rubber with a conventional high start is a small fraction of the energy used to lift up the plane. If you use a high start with a turn around, there is the obvious problem of wear and drag on the rubber as it runs along the ground. I also looked at how to optimize a high start. My thoughts for a conventional high start can be seen at: http://www.charlesriverrc.org/articles/design/dickwilliamson_histartphysics.htm I went through a similar calculation for a high start with a turn around. The optimization assumes a fixed maximum length of the flying field. The optimization involves choosing the best length of tubing. If the tubing is long, more energy can be stored. If the tubing is short, a higher launch height can be reached before the high start pulls the plane down. When the optimization is done (on paper), the maximum launch height is very similar for a conventional high start and a high start with turn around. There is a third configuration which does look quite nice on paper. In this configuration, a traveling pulley is used on the downwind end of the tubing. The line runs from a stake upwind to the pulley, through the pulley and back downwind to the plane. The tubing used is twice the cross section of the tubing that would be used in a conventional high start. This choice provides the same peak force on the plane. With this configuration, the calculation indicates a launch height about 40% higher than that for a conventional high start. I may try this some day. Dick Has anyone experimented with using a turnaround with a highstart. The idea would be to eliminate the weight of the rubber by keeping it on the ground and using the spring action of the tubing but in a different fashion than most people use their highstart. In theory it seems like it should work better than the traditional way of using a highstart for launching but since I have not seen others use this sort of setup I thought I must be missing something. I would appreciate hearing from anyone that has actually tried this or know what results were achieved by others when they did the same. I know this most certainly is not a new idea but since I have not tried it yet I thought I'd draw on the experiences of others that have. Ed -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Richard C. WilliamsonPhone: 781-981-7857 Room C-317 FAX:781-981-0122 Lincoln Laboratory Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Massachusetts Institute of Technology 244 Wood Street Lexington, MA 02420-9108 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Futaba Super 8 switches
I broke 2 switches on my Futaba Super 8UHPS transmitter. Futaba web site suggests asking for these switches at my local hobby shop. I did not have succes with them. Are there any good sources for these switches? Thank you very much -- Louis Cimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] 141 rue Mistral www.mediom.qc.ca/~lcimon/planeur.htm Beauport, QC tel. : (418) 664-1023 Canada G1E 5V4 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Wanted: Maple Leaf Fuselage(s)
Does anyone have a Maple Leaf HLG fuselage and tail that they are not using? Perhaps you have wrecked your wing and the fuselage is still good. I have an idea and need the fuselage and tail to do some experimenting. Sincerely, Michael Conte
RE: [RCSE] Futaba Super 8 switches
The Futaba Service Center has always worked for me: http://www.futaba-rc.com/service.html Call them. I broke 2 switches on my Futaba Super 8UHPS transmitter. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] spars and wing joiners
In a message dated 6/4/01 You wrote: Given: a built-up polyhedral wing, two piece, bolt-on to the fuse. spruce/CF/shear-web spar at 1/3 chord with a 5/16 steel wing rod at the spar. This is more or less the conventional wing construction. Bill, You can save weight and gain the necessary strength by using a 3/8 ID carbon tube through the ribs the length of the inner panel. A 7075 aluminum joiner rod can be used to tie the center sections together. The entire system weighs 4 ounces not including any glue you might use. The installation is simple. Stack the ribs and drill a .44 inch hole through all ribs, slide the ribs on the tube, place on your building board and CA in place. If you want it to look like built up, enclose the spar in balsa to hide the CF look. As a reference, the Super V 100 used a 3/8 aluminum joiner. As for stress and failure, most of the failures I have seen were in the first few inches out from the root. The top skin or spar usually fails in compression. In a 100 inch span airplane, a 30 inch carbon fiber tube spar will distribute the load evenly without breaking. It may flex a bit but will never break. However, if you are concerned you could use a 1/2 inch tube and rod which would add another 2-3 ounces, but give you the strength of an unlimited TD airplane. This has been a shameless commercial announcement as the tubes and rods are sitting in my shop waiting for your order. Don Richmond Hilaunch.com San Diego, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] MC-24 IS legal at NATs
I've contacted JR, the FCC and the AMA... AMA: Any legal radio is allowed. FCC: Any radio is legal with any module approved by the FCC as a stand alone module. JR: The JR modules have been FCC approved as stand alone modules. The FCC does not approve changing the crystal in the module. The Graupner MC-24 with a US JR module is legal unless one of the above is not telling the truth. My site www.ralphweaver.com MTI products www.magtechinc.net Ralph Weaver The key to success is: pick your game and don't dabble. Fishers, IN Jack Welch USA _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Re: IHLGF, alot more
Hi Guys, Yes the gyro was an added factor but many of the flyers had ships that were designed NOT to require gyros! The gyros were only necessary for those planes that required corrections that the pilots and designer's could or did not handle. I took over 150 digital shots of most of the tomp 10 and more planes, took alot of measurements, and how the planes were constructed. Hope to have a CD ready soon. Perhaps people will be interested. There were many do'd and don'ts that need to be addressed with designs. No one mentioned that with the sidearm launches, planes like the Raptor were either delaminating skins, or tails were being blown apart. It was not limited to the Raptor, as MANY OTHERS did the same thing. This is NOT an attack on the Raptor!, Brian has designed an excellent ship! As with all plane designs there are many compromised, however Brian has put togtehr a very nice ship. What was interesting is the comparison of designs. As for launching, many might think Paul Anderson was launching high but I believe Phil Barnes with his Logics was beating most people. More Soon. It was a great contest. Chris Adams - Original Message - From: Dave Griffin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: F3J F3B List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; RCSG NZ Soaring [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 8:51 PM Subject: [FAIsoaring] IHLGF Hi Guys, I have just got back from the IHLGF at Poway San Diego Attached are photos of the top ten place winners. I am sorry I don't know all their names, But I can tell Joe won by a NARROW 8 points from Oleg, John, George Joy, Paul Anderson, Brian B', sorry I don't recall the next 2, then John Erickson was 9th, again I am not sure who was tenth. The contest was excellent, the air variable, conditions were cloudy yesterday and this morning, clear and about 25 this afternoon. About 75 contestants. And the latest hot item in the HLG world is.. Gyro stabilisation of rudders, cool. Regards Dave Griffin www.canterburysailplanes.co.nz RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] IHLGF results, Curious
Guys, Why is it that we hear this same type of thread after every major contest? Nothing has changed in the 25 plus years I have been flying. The bottom line is the guys that go out and practice practice practice are the ones that win the contests. It also happens that the guys that put in the time to get good enough to win also happen to make the sacrifices necessary to buy the latest and greatest planes. Oh then there is poor ole Oleg flying that thing called Taboo that just happens to be his original design and probably did not cost him $1800 to build and equip. I am sure he probably spent more getting to the contest paying the entry fees and lodging and food than he spent on his planes. I am just guessing here, I do not know him personally. Joe W was flying planes he helped design and develop and yes Brian Buass charges $300+ for his planes but they are worth every penny when you look at the quality of plane he delivers to you. Years ago when I had time to practice all of the time, I was a whole lot more competitive with lesser planes than I am now when I do not get to go flying as much and I now own some of the top planes to have. I seem to remember flying against a guy by the name of Ron Stanfield from Arkansas who always flew original design Poly Floaters that used to kick butt on a regular basis against top pilots flying the best planes. Bottom line Ron flew a lot and flew the same plane until he knew it like the back of his hand. I guess what I am saying is it gets tiring hearing all the whining and crying about how much it cost to compete these days. It is no different than it has been all along and it will not be changing anytime soon. Go out and practice practice practice and see what happens. I am sure you will be pleasantly surprised. JMHO, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS - Original Message - From: Mark Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bill Rose Haymaker [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] IHLGF results, Curious I guess competitive Hand Launch has progressed away from my pocketbook too. I can't see the practicality in having to buy a whole new collection of models every year to stay with the big guys. I'll keep designing them and building them but will probably just chuck them around for fun. Fun is what it has always been for me. My favorite way to fly. It's getting harder and harder to keep within my cost/fun equation in most any class anymore. sigh Mark --- Bill Rose Haymaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow! Thanks for all the replies. I received an estimate from $1400 to $1800 __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RE: [RCSE] Hand Launch Wing dimples
Having just been at the IHLGF, the way to remove the finger dimples is to pour boiling water over the wing. Anoither way is to ake a wet paper towel and a monokote iron. Place the damp towel down and then monokote iron over it. I did it on my planes and it works extremely well.They look like new. Chris Yes the dimple thing like on golf balls does work. Bike racers are now showing up with dimples on their time trial helmets, as in the Giro. If you have an obscene thumbprint you want to remove you can remove at least some of it with a monokote iron. Careful now, if you go too hot you will make it larger/deeper. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] IHLGF results, Curious
Pat, I have to respond to your post. Yes there are only a few of us that BUILD our own gliders for Poway. The rest are bought. For me, I believe in building as much as flying. Those Designer's and BUILDERs at Poway we few. For example, there was Phil Pearson (Encore/MapleLeaf along with JW), Brian Buass (Raptor with JW), The BlueDarter people (TexasTwister), Dick Barker (UpLink), Bill Watson (Watson Sidewinder), Tom Hoopes (Whoas/Arius), Oleg (Taboo), Phil Barnes (Logics), John Aslplund (Modified Encore/with Jennings), Adam Weston (Ionosphere), Jerry Krainock (Own Design), and me , Chris Adams (Own Design). I may have missed a someone. However, when it is easier to buy a ship to fly at a fair price, then why not?? What is interesting is that Jerry Krainock took 7th with a composite open structure ship, as compared to foam for everyone else. And Jerry is in the Eagle class, compared to those who were able to launch high because they are in shape. So out of 80 or so pilots, there were only 12 designers for way over 200 airplanes at the field. The fun things were to watch the carnage!. With all the Raptors there, they had more than their share of carnage. Stabs were coming off, Linkages were breaking, noses were breaking, servos were coming loose, skins were bending or delaminating. No one ever mentions the real story, just the interesting things. No one mentioned that Yes, the person hit by a plane was during launch. It was a timer that got hit. No one mentioned that pilots walked in front of you while you were launching and you had to scamble to avoid hitting them, or yell at them to stop walking so you could launch. No one mentioned that timing errors occurred and separate timers are needed. No one mentioned that when people launched before the buzzer, they brought the whole group down when they stated in the rules that the pilots had to come down and relaunch as individuals, JUST like sailboat racing, and restart without the window restarting. Yes, a great contest, just the new launches are creating new issues which have to be resolved. I agree with John Erickson, a VERY good contest. In all, the contest is NOW a landing and groundtime contest rather than all flying. NOW the flying is becoming more a qualifier, much like the the TD contests. BTW, If you don't throw to 100' plus, you are sacraficing alot. Thermals, Chris Adams Guys, Why is it that we hear this same type of thread after every major contest? Nothing has changed in the 25 plus years I have been flying. The bottom line is the guys that go out and practice practice practice are the ones that win the contests. It also happens that the guys that put in the time to get good enough to win also happen to make the sacrifices necessary to buy the latest and greatest planes. Oh then there is poor ole Oleg flying that thing called Taboo that just happens to be his original design and probably did not cost him $1800 to build and equip. I am sure he probably spent more getting to the contest paying the entry fees and lodging and food than he spent on his planes. I am just guessing here, I do not know him personally. Joe W was flying planes he helped design and develop and yes Brian Buass charges $300+ for his planes but they are worth every penny when you look at the quality of plane he delivers to you. Years ago when I had time to practice all of the time, I was a whole lot more competitive with lesser planes than I am now when I do not get to go flying as much and I now own some of the top planes to have. I seem to remember flying against a guy by the name of Ron Stanfield from Arkansas who always flew original design Poly Floaters that used to kick butt on a regular basis against top pilots flying the best planes. Bottom line Ron flew a lot and flew the same plane until he knew it like the back of his hand. I guess what I am saying is it gets tiring hearing all the whining and crying about how much it cost to compete these days. It is no different than it has been all along and it will not be changing anytime soon. Go out and practice practice practice and see what happens. I am sure you will be pleasantly surprised. JMHO, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS - Original Message - From: Mark Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bill Rose Haymaker [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] IHLGF results, Curious I guess competitive Hand Launch has progressed away from my pocketbook too. I can't see the practicality in having to buy a whole new collection of models every year to stay with the big guys. I'll keep designing them and building them but will probably just chuck them around for fun. Fun is what it has always been for me. My favorite way to fly. It's getting harder and harder to keep within my cost/fun equation in most any class anymore. sigh Mark --- Bill Rose Haymaker [EMAIL
[RCSE] IHLGF
Hi All, I've got to chime in on this one. First, thanks to the many who put this contest together. Ron Schark, Tom Clarkson, the Condons, and the many other volunteers. Great job, you should be very proud. This is the one of the smoothest contests anywhere. Most importantly, despite the high level of competition, it is FUN Okay, I'll bring it out myself since it hasn't been brought up yet. I FLEW MY PLANE TO A PERFECT LANDING ON THE WIRES DURING THE FIRST ROUND There I was on the 55 second portion of ladder and was preparing to turn back to the field when plane stopped flying. Could have sworn I was 15 feet past the wires. What a bummer. After the round was over I had at least 5 people offer me planes to fly if I needed one. That is what this hobby is about. About the planes. The Raptor runs $325 (I think). Add 2 $20 servos a receiver and battery and your in the air for less than $450. Sure you can go higher but look at the top 10. Plus their were many more Raptors in the field. The Maple Leaf product was well represented as was the Twister and the Xterminator. Dick Barkers Uplink was flown by many as well. Throw in a few others and that is the field. I don't think you have to have anything super special. These are just everyday hand launchers. It is not like a moldy that you keep just for contest days. I certainly did not attend with any aspirations of winning or placing but for the comraderie that exists in this phase of the hobby. Those who have resisted coming need to reconsider. You will find no better group of people assembled from around the country to spend a couple of quality days of flying and fellowshiping. Really important is that most can go to work the next day still walking upright. The discus launch has changed things. Darwin N. Barrie Scottsdale AZ PS. Ron, please make sure the Round Table doesn't run out of beer next year. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] IHLGF
YES YES YES and I HAVE the pictures to show it! Darwin, the pictures I have are great! Seeing the Raptor perched on the wires , and how it landed is priceless! BTW, How much for NOT putting it on the Web? Chris - Original Message - From: Darwin N Barrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 9:05 PM Subject: [RCSE] IHLGF Hi All, I've got to chime in on this one. First, thanks to the many who put this contest together. Ron Schark, Tom Clarkson, the Condons, and the many other volunteers. Great job, you should be very proud. This is the one of the smoothest contests anywhere. Most importantly, despite the high level of competition, it is FUN Okay, I'll bring it out myself since it hasn't been brought up yet. I FLEW MY PLANE TO A PERFECT LANDING ON THE WIRES DURING THE FIRST ROUND There I was on the 55 second portion of ladder and was preparing to turn back to the field when plane stopped flying. Could have sworn I was 15 feet past the wires. What a bummer. After the round was over I had at least 5 people offer me planes to fly if I needed one. That is what this hobby is about. About the planes. The Raptor runs $325 (I think). Add 2 $20 servos a receiver and battery and your in the air for less than $450. Sure you can go higher but look at the top 10. Plus their were many more Raptors in the field. The Maple Leaf product was well represented as was the Twister and the Xterminator. Dick Barkers Uplink was flown by many as well. Throw in a few others and that is the field. I don't think you have to have anything super special. These are just everyday hand launchers. It is not like a moldy that you keep just for contest days. I certainly did not attend with any aspirations of winning or placing but for the comraderie that exists in this phase of the hobby. Those who have resisted coming need to reconsider. You will find no better group of people assembled from around the country to spend a couple of quality days of flying and fellowshiping. Really important is that most can go to work the next day still walking upright. The discus launch has changed things. Darwin N. Barrie Scottsdale AZ PS. Ron, please make sure the Round Table doesn't run out of beer next year. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] IHLGF results, Curious
Chris, Your comments are valid though on the two occasions I saw people launch before the buzzer, they both took the penalty as individuals and the group flew on. Both realized the error immediately and came down as quickly as possible for a relaunch, losing perhaps ten seconds. Notable pilots too, Phil Barnes and Paul Anderson being the offenders I witnessed. In Phil's case Dave Condon (CD) came out to verify that the release was early. Craig. - Original Message - From: ScrollSander To: Pat McCleave ; RCSE Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] IHLGF results, Curious Pat, I have to respond to your post. . No one ever mentions the real story, just the interesting things. No one mentioned that Yes, the person hit by a plane was during launch. It was a timer that got hit. No one mentioned that pilots walked in front of you while you were launching and you had to scamble to avoid hitting them, or yell at them to stop walking so you could launch. No one mentioned that timing errors occurred and separate timers are needed. No one mentioned that when people launched before the buzzer, they brought the whole group down when they stated in the rules that the pilots had to come down and relaunch as individuals, JUST like sailboat racing, and restart without the window restarting. Yes, a great contest, just the new launches are creating new issues which have to be resolved. I agree with John Erickson, a VERY good contest. In all, the contest is NOW a landing and groundtime contest rather than all flying. NOW the flying is becoming more a qualifier, much like the the TD contests. BTW, If you don't throw to 100' plus, you are sacraficing alot. Thermals, Chris Adams RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] IHLGF
Hi all, Now that the IHLGF is history and things have settled down in the Joy household, I thought I would share some of my thoughts. I chose not to be part of the organizing committee for the first time since it's inception, due to my business situation, not having enough time to devote to it, and I wanted the opportunity to concentrate on being competitive. Those who did take on the tasks that Jo I relinquished, did a very good job, as did the entire committee. Thank you for the great job you did to make it run so smoothly. I saw the writing on the wall very early this year at our (TPG's) first HLG contest of the year. Tom Clarkson, the brains behind the scoring and audio software, Kicked my butt soundly, for the first time ever with, I think, An Uplink. I had now lost my athletic advantage. I made some frantic calls to locate a good DLG plane. The wait was fairly long to my dismay, but I put myself on the list for a pair of Raptors from Brian Buass. I kept pestering him, but he said it would get here in time for the contest. The first one arrived about a month ago. I assembled it as quick as I could. Finished it on Friday night, Midnight before our last local contest before the IHLGF. 7am Sat morning I arrive at our field to test fly it. It appeared to fly well for a poly. I didn't have much of an idea how to launch it and the first session was pathetic to say the least. Tom Clarkson approached me and gave me a lot of instruction, Thank you Tom. As I remember it I still wasn't getting real good height about half way through the contest. At this time John Erickson came over and gave me another piece of advice on throwing technique. by the end of the day I heard John say to someone, something to the effect Why did I tell him that? :-) Thank You John. After bugging Brian Buass enough I finally got the aileron/flap version of the Raptor 5 days before the IHLGF. I managed to get it assembled then test flown on Thursday afternoon before the contest. I was not entirely comfortable with it, so I decided to fly my modified Feather XL for the first ladder event. It was doing very well until I had a fuse failure (my fault). I finished the round with the Raptor Poly version that I had about a month of flying on.I survived that round better than I expected due to the poor lift conditions on Saturday. Now I had to make a decision to fly the Poly version or the Aileron version. I actually made a right decision this time. I choose the aileron one. After the first competition round flying it, I was convinced of its capability. As far as the rest of the contest is concerned, it was very challenging all day Saturday with no sunshine whatsoever. Sunday had better lift conditions but they did cycle a lot. Some heats everyone was up and out, others, no one found a thermal. The wind did become a factor around 2pm, following a thermal moving downwind fast made decision making vital to getting back to the field. There were a number of off field landings. The slope at the extreme southeast end of the field was not as much of a factor as in previous years because of the very different weather conditions this year. But Paul Anderson did make a beautiful save there in one of the fly off rounds. Most of you have already seen the results, Joe did it again, but Oleg Golovidov from the east coast gave him a real battle. I had the pleasure of hosting Oleg and Paul Rickie Clark (Sky Pilot) at my home and they are all great people. Enough rambling, nor for the good stuff. The Raptor designed by Joe Wurtz and skillfully produced by Brian Buass, is a great plane. I built the Poly version first. I used a Berg6 receiver, 2 Hitec HS-55 servos and a 720 mAh 4 cell NiMH battery pack. I cut a number of lightening holes in the horiz. and vert. stabs, against recommendations to the contrary. But luckily it never broke. The plane came out to weigh 9 oz. I then built the aileron version, but I did not want to use 4 servos in the wing, I prefer flaperons. Again against Brians wishes because of the chance of fluttering the flaperons. Those who watched me throw the plane know I didn't have any flutter problems. I used essentially the same setup as the poly version. A berg6 Receiver, 4 Hitec HS-55 servos, a 720 mAh 4 cell NiMH battery pack, and a GWS single channel rate gyro for the rudder. No lightning holes in the tail this time. This plane came out weighting 10.8 oz. There are my thoughts and some technical info on my planes. Hope the info helps. Congratulations to Joe and the rest of the top ten finishers George RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] IHLGF
Sorry Guys I hope I didn't sound like sour grapes. It's wasn't my intention. I guess I'm coming from a different angle in that my fun in designing and building is old built up balsa HLG. Call me old school but it's all I have had for years. I think it's fun to design an 8 ounce balsa ship and see it dance in light lift while seeing the sun through the covering. It has been fun to practce, practice, practice and see how well I can do against the composite ships but this years development boom may have just rung the death nell for this scenerio. I fear no amount of practice will overcome the advances in technologyI applaud the folks who brought this about. I timed for Dick Barker at the Sunbird HLG contest a year ago last February and could see then the writing was on the wall. It was awsome to see it go up. In the end I am sure I'll figure a way to move with the flow of technology but will still like my built up HLG's. Mark --- Darwin N Barrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I've got to chime in on this one. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Soaring on the high desert?
I have a job prospect at NAWC-China Lake. I'd probably be living in Ridgecrest. Is there any regular R/C soaring in the area? I could probably make it to Bakersfield on weekends. I know there's an XC contest sometimes down on the Kern/LA county line, I went to spectate last year, but I dunno what's up with the field the rest of the time. There's a power club that flies on Rosamond Dry Lake. And all those lovely SoCal contests. But those are all ~100 mile or more drives. I'm hoping with the concentration of engineers at NAWC, there'll be something closer. My interests tend toward stuff that doesn't need a lot of string - HLG and electric. But I could adapt... Daniel O. Miller BRAIN: Pinky! Are you pondering what I'm pondering? PINKY: I think so, Brain, but if we had a snowmobile, wouldn't it melt before the summer? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Soaring on the high desert?
At 12:51 AM 6/5/01 -0500, Daniel Olin Miller wrote: I have a job prospect at NAWC-China Lake. I'd probably be living in Ridgecrest. Is there any regular R/C soaring in the area? I could probably make it to Bakersfield on weekends. I'm afraid I can't help you on soaring in the Ridgecrest area but I'm with the club in Bakersfield (SSJSS) and if you need directions to either of the fields we use, just let me know. (We use different fields on Saturday and Sunday) We have a smallish contest on the last Sunday of each month and any AMA member is welcome. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bakersfield, CA 93313 USA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
