[RCSE] NSP Kestral FS
Antonio Martinez has the following for sale NSP KestrelMostlybuilt kit. Make an offer. You pay shipping or pick up in VA.On a scale of 1-10 quality:Fuse is done. 9.5Wing panels are done (4 individual panels). 7.0Tail feathers are done. 8.0 Please contact him [EMAIL PROTECTED] Antonio does nice work, the plane cost $75 + covering and he put many hours in building it. Never flown, so $100+ would be reasonable and not waste his time. And no he doesn't have a picture, but I will attest to the quality of his workmanship. Tom
[RCSE] Wing to fuselage connection.
I am working on a 1/3.5 scale DG600 and need some advise on wing bolts and connection to the fuselage. I am having trouble deciding on the wing bolt. Should I choose a circular or rectangular bolt? And what materials is best suitable, steel or carbon (as the F3x type planes use). Anyone have any pros cons they would like to share? I have also the option of making the wing bolt floating trough the fuse or to make it firm into a tube trough the fuse. I am most familiar with the firm connection from the F3x planes, but I know many scale ships use the floating bolt, and also many full-scale planes. What are the pros and cons? I hope that a discussion on this topic can help me decide upon the arrangement so I can go on building. - Regards Erik Wikran Tromso, Norway --- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] modification of rule 5, number of models
Interesting this should come up. As CD for the 2002 NATS HL, I was planning to allow multiple ships for the contest as I did back in 2000. But this was not approved as a deviation of The rules of AMA for the NATS. I think in HL multiple ships are very appropriate, reynolds numbers are low and ballasting is very limited, so changing conditions can really eat up the performance of a given ship (someone needs to write a rule change to this effect so we can do it at the NATS). But in 2M, Unlimited, RES and NOS, it is nice to have a backup, but I feel that the rule as is is as much a strategy thing as anything and as stated makes you pick your weapon and modify (ballast) as it happens. Flame suit on, as I am out of town till Thursday. Marc RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] modification of rule 5, number of models
Flying here in the East on the ESL contest circuit I can honestly, and thankfully, say that I don't see this rule getting bent or abused. If you do, then you are flying with the wrong group of guys. Most do have more than one model. It is then up to the flyer to chose which plane is going to be suited to the expected conditions of the day. Many times the morning topic is ' what is the wind going to do today'. I do think the 'one model rule' makes it a slight bit fairer for the few new guys that do indeed only have 'one model'. Those that have many models to chose from will always have one up on the guys with one plane even when they have to make a choice for the day and stick with it. If they are smart and seasoned competitors that should be enough of an advantage. - Original Message - From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 10:46 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] modification of rule 5, number of models At 08:57 PM 3/4/2002, Jeff Naber wrote: I disagree that the rule is broken. It may lead to cheating, but if that is what it takes for some to win, so be it. They know they cheated to win and that lessens the sweetness of the victory. There are many parts of soaring contests that take competitor integrity to compete in fairness. I can appreciate that. But when a rule gets constantly bent, maybe it's time to just call it what it is and define a simpler version of the rule. I see it time and time again, guys seem to like to change to a backup model for what ever reason, and call their primary broken. They essentially get the model change, with little question, other than maybe some peer pressure if someone noticed. Going to the more than one plane rule just encourages more expense. Yes, most of us have two planes as it stands at a contest, I don't think this is fair reasoning, we are already allowed to bring a backup. but having two different models to choose from lessens the skill required to compete in given conditions. That is debatable, you still have to pick the right model from your quiver, and know how to fly it, look at F3B or F3J as examples. I really don't mind the rule as it stands, I could pick one plane for one day just as good as the next man. It's the gray zone of the definition of the back up model coming in to play, and how some pilots use that to their advantage that harshes my mellow. Here's another idea, instead of the proposed use of two identified models equally in a contest, let's throw out the idea of a back up plane. One model is all you get, identified to the CD before the contest. Even that would be better than the current rule, although an unpopular idea I bet. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level III ICQ 6997780R/C Soaring Page at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] 5ft carbon tubes
Tim; You can get wrapped tubes in 5 ft lengths from CST. The sizes and prices are listed on this page www.cstsales.com/carbon-tubes.htm Note that the diameters listed are for the inside of the tube. Matt Gewain -Original Message- From: Tim Vandenheuvel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 11:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] 5ft carbon tubes Hi all, I am looking for 5ft long carbon tubes, approx. 3/8 in dia.. A larger diameter would be fine. Does anyone have any leads? TIA Tim Vandenheuvel 2310A East Division St. Mount Vernon, WA 98274 1-360-428-4937 _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] computer radio
I currently fly RES and am purchasing my first full house ship. I have a JR 652 radio and am looking to buy a new radio which will better support a full house ship. I would like to stay with JR and am considering either a JR 783 or a 8103. The difference in price is approximately $160. I am certain that the 8103 will work. Can anyone tell me if the 783 will also give me the TE control I will need to to support a full house ship(crow,camber and switch control for launch, travel and landing). I am hoping that this will be my last radio for quite a while and I have not been able to find a lot of info on the 783. Thanks Mike Holmes --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by http://www.intouchmi.com] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Wing to fuselage connection.
How do you screw a nut onto a rectangular bolt? Are you possibly talking about wing 'rods'? .bc([EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.widomaker.com/~conk Williamsburg, VA 23185 On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, ewikran wrote: I am working on a 1/3.5 scale DG600 and need some advise on wing bolts and connection to the fuselage. I am having trouble deciding on the wing bolt. Should I choose a circular or rectangular bolt? And what materials is best suitable, steel or carbon (as the F3x type planes use). Anyone have any pros cons they would like to share? I have also the option of making the wing bolt floating trough the fuse or to make it firm into a tube trough the fuse. I am most familiar with the firm connection from the F3x planes, but I know many scale ships use the floating bolt, and also many full-scale planes. What are the pros and cons? I hope that a discussion on this topic can help me decide upon the arrangement so I can go on building. - Regards Erik Wikran Tromso, Norway --- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] computer radio
The783 is practically an 8103 with only 7 modele memory. I have an 8103, and I would suggest that if this is gonna be your 'last' radio, go for the top. Get the 8103. .bc([EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.widomaker.com/~conk Williamsburg, VA 23185 On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Michael Holmes wrote: I currently fly RES and am purchasing my first full house ship. I have a JR 652 radio and am looking to buy a new radio which will better support a full house ship. I would like to stay with JR and am considering either a JR 783 or a 8103. The difference in price is approximately $160. I am certain that the 8103 will work. Can anyone tell me if the 783 will also give me the TE control I will need to to support a full house ship(crow,camber and switch control for launch, travel and landing). I am hoping that this will be my last radio for quite a while and I have not been able to find a lot of info on the 783. Thanks Mike Holmes --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by http://www.intouchmi.com] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] OFF TOPIC - VIRUS SOFTWARE
Many thanks to all who responded to this. RVC Hello group I see once again virus are making the rounds. I got one off this group a while back which pretty much shut me down for a week. Ended up having to re-install my OS and almost everything else to get back up. The virus and one preceding it got past my up to date Norton Anti-Virus. Now that I'm up again Norton won't let me reinstall, and even if it would Norton only provides fresh virus definition files once a week or so. Question is, what's the best out there? I've heard there are those that allow one to renew definition files every hour! Is there a consensus??? Thanks. Rick Van Clief --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 2/28/02 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Wing to fuselage connection.
Of cause - rods - rods - rods- rods- rods - :-) Erik = Original Message From Bill Conkling [EMAIL PROTECTED] = How do you screw a nut onto a rectangular bolt? Are you possibly talking about wing 'rods'? .bc([EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.widomaker.com/~conk Williamsburg, VA 23185 On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, ewikran wrote: I am working on a 1/3.5 scale DG600 and need some advise on wing bolts and connection to the fuselage. I am having trouble deciding on the wing bolt. Should I choose a circular or rectangular bolt? And what materials is best suitable, steel or carbon (as the F3x type planes use). Anyone have any pros cons they would like to share? I have also the option of making the wing bolt floating trough the fuse or to make it firm into a tube trough the fuse. I am most familiar with the firm connection from the F3x planes, but I know many scale ships use the floating bolt, and also many full-scale planes. What are the pros and cons? I hope that a discussion on this topic can help me decide upon the arrangement so I can go on building. - Regards Erik Wikran Tromso, Norway --- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] modification of rule 5, number of models
Well I guess I'll wade into to this one as a reply to Jeff and the topic in general... I too am fairly new to the competition scene and if anyone had told me a couple of years ago I would spend what I have over the last 6-8 months on planes, radios, flight packs, winch, etc. I would have called them NUTS. However in making the change from just guiding gliders to competing I considered the following items and the cost is not as great as I first thought... In the past I would buy a kit and put the thing together. I'll use my first full house ship (Spirt 100) as an example. By the time I had that box of sticks glued together, all the covering on, the flight pack installed and the initial setup programmed into the radio I figure I had invested over 80 manhours prior to the first hand toss. So between the cost of the kit, flight pack and my time I figure that ship cost me in excess of $2,000 (at the very least thinking this way makes it much easier to write the check for one of those nice new moldies). Now I know that there are many out there that really enjoy the building part of the sport and at one time I would count myself in that number but not any more. I have built at least 30 built up planes over the past twenty years, 20-25 foamies, and about 15 composites. So I think I understand how to construct and fly a variety of model sailplanes. So at my current point along lifes trail I am no longer interested in the building side of the hobby I just don't have the time or energy to devote to the process (and I don't think I'm alone in this). I bought my first two unlimited ships off posts to RCSE in the last 6 months (thanks again to the sellers). One was plug in my Rx crystal and fly and the other was install the flight pack and fly. If I have my way this is how I will aquire all my ships from now on. I have enjoyed these planes as much or more than any that I built from scratch, so to speak. I also consider them the best values vs performance planes that I have ever owned. So all that being said, it wouldn't bother me if the rule was changed to allow you to change ships every round. I doubt that there are many that would use more than 2-3 ships at any one contest anyway since as has been said here many times contest performance usually relates to the amount of practice the pilot has put in with a particular ship in a variety of conditions. Of course blind luck can strike anyone on any given day, don't ask how I know this, and even a rookie can take home some wood. But a basic skill level must still be achieved in order for that luck to come into play. So yes this hobby is evolving and hopefully will continue to do so, and yes the cost in both time and money involved to be among the top competitors is high but that is the nature of the beast. I feel it is the competition arena that brings out the need to push the envelope of performance, not just in our sport but basically all of them. So I'm all for letting any number of ships be used at a contest. You still have to have a decent launch, fly the task called, put that nose skeg on the spot, and do that better than the next guy every round of the contest to finish on top. Without the skill to do that on a consistent basis it doesn't matter how many ships you pull out in the morning. Vent finished... Therms, Joe Gullett Spring Hill, Tennessee Original Message Follows From: Jeff Nibler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] modification of rule 5, number of models Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 19:43:39 + Just the other day, I was just thinking about how competitive this hobby has become. I'm really new to competition, and soaring in general, but I feel compelled to offer my two cents. Unfortunately, I don't really understand the rule that much, so that said, I think that anything that can be done to make the competition require less technology and money, the better. Remove those two components and you are left with skill (and luck). You break your plane? That's your fault, you probably made an error, and the error may cost you the contest if you can't repair it before the next round. The error could have been in launching, flying, landing, or construction. This all reflects on skill. I suppose my main issue is technology and the cost of it. I don't think that a really outstanding pilot should be at a disadvantage in a contest because he/she can't afford a $1000+ hot rod plane for each type of contest and condition. What's next? Airfoils that can be modified while flying... thermal vision goggles? I'm sure there are others that feel the same way, and I see evidence of this in the popularity of RES, and nostalgia contests (at least locally here where I live). Thanks for listening. Jeff _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com RCSE-List facilities provided by
RE: [RCSE] Attn CD's - New Yahoo Group on Contest Scoring
Tom, I don't think the Yahoo groups thing is working right yet. The whole site was down yesterday, and I've not seen new messages today on the 3 groups that I've checked. Mark -Original Message- From: Clarkson, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 1:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[RCSE] Attn CD's - New Yahoo Group on Contest Scoring With the cool post on PDA scoring, I thought it might be time to mention a new Yahoo group that has been started to discuss, store, and support scoring programs, forms, and spreadsheets. The hope is that people will contribute their programs to the file area and find people to collaborate with on further development of these programs. At the moment the files area contains Werner Stark's HL program that is widely used in Europe, a HL scoring program that I wrote for the IHLGF, and a F3F program from Jerry Craft. Hopefully those interested will find sharing of information and programs beneficial. And hopefully others will post share some of their programs and spreadsheets. Here is the link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RCGliderScoring/ Hope this is useful Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify Space Imaging immediately. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] modification of rule 5, number of models
I think the multiple HLG model use is due to the nature of HL contests. There are multiple launches/tasks/ flights in any given round. It is never a one flight thing like a TD round. In TD if you land off field that's it. In HL if you land off field you grab another plane and continue to try your best to optimize the rest of the flight window. - Original Message - From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 11:34 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] modification of rule 5, number of models At 06:17 AM 3/5/2002, Marc Gellart wrote: Interesting this should come up. As CD for the 2002 NATS HL, I was planning to allow multiple ships for the contest as I did back in 2000. But this was not approved as a deviation of The rules of AMA for the NATS. I think in HL multiple ships are very appropriate, reynolds numbers are low and ballasting is very limited, so changing conditions can really eat up the performance of a given ship (someone needs to write a rule change to this effect so we can do it at the NATS). But in 2M, Unlimited, RES and NOS, it is nice to have a backup, but I feel that the rule as is is as much a strategy thing as anything and as stated makes you pick your weapon and modify (ballast) as it happens. Flame suit on, as I am out of town till Thursday. The thing you did at Nats as a CD that was correct about multiple planes was identifying the models before the contest during wingspan testing. Now my opinion, I don't see why it should be any different for HLG. The pilot wants to change models for many of the same reasons. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level III ICQ 6997780R/C Soaring Page at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Wing to fuselage connection.
Erik, I have used the Multiplex wing snaps on several of my recent projects. This inlcudes a 1/3 Duo Discus, a 1/3 scale Salto, and a tug based on a 1/3 Salto. These are very cheap, hold well and will release in event of something catastrophic. They are basically little nylon connectors, one part in the fuse, the other in the root. Doesn't get any simpler. No bolts, no nuts Pictures of the ships are here - www.courtforms.com/personal Good luck, Lee Estingoy Overland Park, KS - Original Message - From: ewikran [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:25 AM Subject: [RCSE] Wing to fuselage connection. I am working on a 1/3.5 scale DG600 and need some advise on wing bolts and connection to the fuselage. I am having trouble deciding on the wing bolt. Should I choose a circular or rectangular bolt? And what materials is best suitable, steel or carbon (as the F3x type planes use). Anyone have any pros - cons they would like to share? I have also the option of making the wing bolt floating trough the fuse or to make it firm into a tube trough the fuse. I am most familiar with the firm connection from the F3x planes, but I know many scale ships use the floating bolt, and also many full-scale planes. What are the pros and cons? I hope that a discussion on this topic can help me decide upon the arrangement so I can go on building. - Regards Erik Wikran Tromso, Norway --- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Multiplex mc3030 transmitter
I'd like to thank every one, for the 5-6 responses I received . Looks like I waited to long, the one I was interested in, isn't listed any longer. Just went to the site to buy it and nothing was there. I thought I might get more responses, so I waited. To let everyone know what I received. 1 persons that highly recommended. 2 companies trying to sell me one. 2-3 people saying they had heard good things about it. I really thought I'd get more comments. Doesn't matter now. Andy _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Hotlanta Soaring Dudes....
Just got a trip to Atlanta in two weeks finalized and low and behold I should have some free time to play. So if any of you NASA guys have some time and want to fly some please let me know. I'm thinking that access to the Mid-South contest site would be out of the question but any locations for TD practice would be appreciated. (I will be bringing a winch) Also what is the status of the slope sites? Are the Dam sites still open or has the COE shut you guys down too? How about Stone Mountain?? Therms, Joe Gullett Spring Hill, Tennessee _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Re: [soaring] Digest Number 1753
Discharge the pack to one volt/cell 4 volts for 4 cell pack. You will have to remove the outer sleeve or stick pins in to pick up the cell case. Then with the pack still under load look at the voltage of each cell, you will probably find one cell with a voltage way below the others. This will be the bad cell that is pulling the overall voltage down so you get an early cut off. You could replace that one cell but that is not a good idea with packs as now you will have one cell different from the others. In all probability there is nothing practical that you can do with this pack other than replace it. Of course a lot of this depends on how you have been charging it. If only fast charge that could be your problem, the cells are out of balance, but they should have been balanced out by the repeated cycling if you were doing it at a C/10 rate - charge 16 hours, discharge C/5 to 1v/cell. Check the leads to the pack to make sure you have not developed black wire problem which could lead to an early cut off due to the high resistance build up in the corroded wire. Red S. Red's R/C Battery Clinic http://www.rcbatteryclinic.com Check us out for revolting information. From: Raymond Juschkus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 11:05 AM To: RCSE Post Subject: [RCSE] Re:Battery Memory Hi, Anyone know how to remove a memory from a 700mh receiver battery? I have cycled it about 10 times and all I get is about 20 min. Ray RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] computer radio
You can mix around that however with a couple of extra steps. The newest shipment is supposed to be fixed. Darwin N. Barrie Phoenix AZ Bill Malvey wrote: On 3/5/02 11:25 AM, Brett Jaffee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just keep in mind that you will need to send the radio into Futaba to get the v-tail bug fixed (supposedly the fix won't be in place for all radios until May). True enough, if you plan to fly a full house ship with a V-tail the 9C needs a software update for all current TX's. Thanks. Forgot about that. ~~ Bill Malvey Ladera Ranch, California RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Contests wanted
I am trying to get my LSF level V done and need club contests that consistently have more than 20 pilots participating, at least two of which are level II or above. These can be anywhere in the US. I would like to compile a list which I will post for others to see also. Need dates and location. If you have a regular monthly contest or whatever. Links to club sites would also be appreciated. Tom
