RE: [RCSE] Torrey Pines Petition!
BTW, if all of you can think of other groups or areas to post this notice, please feel free to get it out there. While I like to think I know the obvious areas to post this message online, I don't necessarily know all of them. Also, for clarification, the petition is one of the items that was agreed upon by our coordinated team of people working on this situation. We believe that high level letters (coming next), a petition and applying political pressure should be one of the most effective means of changing the direction of this fight. Much more cost effective than a lawsuit, however that has not been ruled out. Someone sent me a message stating that the petition looked like we had not coordinated efforts. Thanks again for everyone who quickly jumped on board and signed early, we sincerely appreciate your signatures. And, to state the obvious, please only sign once ;- http://www.gliderking.com/petition Bob Bingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Robert Bingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 7:58 AM To: Yahoogroups; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; rcse; Dan Field; Dennis Uyemura; Gary Fogel; Jerry Craft; John McNeil; Larry Fogel; Larry Scaramella; Nathan Woods; Rob Whyte; Steve Condon; Timothy E. Cone; Tom Copp Subject: [RCSE] Torrey Pines Petition! Friends of Torrey Pines, We have posted a Petition online that addresses many of our concerns about the most recent closure of RC Soaring at this historic soaring site. This petition can be signed by anyone (worldwide), as interested parties, and will be delivered to the San Diego City Council, San Diego City Manager and Mr. David Jebb operator of the site. I call upon all of us to please do more than talk about this issue. The more time that goes by, the less likely this issue will be resolved and we may loose our site forever! I want to thank Steve Waits for writing this petition script, as you will see, it verifies all signers. http://www.gliderking.com/petition Bob Bingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gliderking.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Torrey Pines Petition!
I have just emailed all members of the Southern Oregon Soaring Society, asking them to go to the online petition site and sign the petition. Since many members of your various clubs may not be subscribed to RCSE they may not be aware of the current battle. I would like to suggest that someone from each club (who has all the email addresses) email all your members and encourage them to sign the petition. You may want to mention that they can look at the View Current Signers link at the top of the page to see what comments other signers have written in case they want to write something in the comments section of the petition. Terry Mickle President, Southern Oregon Soaring Society Medford, Oregon RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Retreivers ....... Tullahoma Club
There was a recent post on buying a retreiver from one of the Tullahoma club members . Could you please repost the address ? Thank You, John
Re: [RCSE] Voltz Servos, More on that Volz Bum!
In a message dated 8/15/02 3:57:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . I didnt realize they were so bad when Ive been a couple thousand feet up , or doing one of several 17 and 18second speed runs. Thanks for the heads up. Richard Burnoski Boy, I'm glad you reminded me, I forgot that all my TD planes carry Volz servos. I guess I forget about them because they don't give me any trouble. But then I only have 16 of them to worry about. :-) Bill G.
Re: [RCSE] RV: steel wing rod blended
Andrew E. Mileski wrote: You can buy ejector pins by the dozen from the manufacturers, or singly at a slight premium from resellers. Example: McMaster-Carr item #93772A334 is a 1/4 x 14 inch rod for $7.56 USD http://www.mcmaster.com/cgi/loadpage.cgi?pagenum=3043descid=11008 Cut the head off and trim it to 10 1/2 inches (the standard BoT length) or whatever is required to fit, by using with a rotary tool and an abrasive cutting disc. I also like to slightly round the ends with an grinding bit, then sand (600 grit disc) and polish the ends so the rod inserts easily. The link appears to be session tied, so just go to http://www.mcmaster.com/ and do a search on ejector pin. If you want to save and need a few pins, buy them from the manufacturer: http://www.ntm.com/ http://www.royalpins.com/ http://www.dixiepins.com/ Example: Royal sells the same size pin for $3.78 USD each in a box of 12, and NTM sell them for $3.75 USD in boxes of 20. A BIG savings. Which of course are in my marvelous bookmarks under RC - Wing Rods http://isoar.ca/~andrewm/bkmks.html and you can navigate there from isoar.ca, which is easier to remember :) -- Andrew E. Mileski Ottawa, Canada RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Who flew what at the NATS? ..
Just a small Note about the question . Now I am not trying to be ill or politically in-correct, but some people have issues filling out the entry form and getting their frequency correct. Its tuff for us to track such information, especially if the pilots do not want to give it. The 'BIGGEST problem we had at the NATS was the Old I NEED A TIMER falyling call, after you were to check in with the CD, before going to the flight line. This held us up quite a bit this year, However, and we all can take a lesson here... some people brought a friend to the NATS...to time and fly with..Hm...what a concept.!!! Share the fun... May want to put that in the works for Next Years Nats.. There were a bunch of first time entrants to the Nats this year, nothing but positive comments abounded. They will be back. If you want to know what was flown at the NATS, consider going..its a week of fun and soaring for those that chose to make it such. Me, I flew an ICON; Cobra V2; Sailaire; 2-M Monarch; Raptor; SB/XC; Chicago Style. I had either Volz servos or MPX servos I flew my MPX 4000; and my Stylus. I missed my buds from California, but made do with the company that Karen, Myself and Yager could do. ( D ? )...LOL Actually, our S.O.A.R. buds, kept Karen and I amused and occupied the whole week. Nothing like Pizza and beer on the veranda after a hard day of flying toy model sailplanes. On October 12th something is gonna happen !!!...What? you ask !!.. Something Wonderful .. Keep an eye on the LSF site at http://www.silentflight.org for updates relative to next years Nats. Please Thank this years workers raffle Donors with your business...its important to all of us. Jack Jack Strother LSF President Loveland, OHLSF 2948 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] WTB-- Zagi
Will, You need to consider the type of flying that you will do. Slope or thermal. Either way, the experience of flying will probably cost you some rebuilding grief, but will return experience that is priceless and make you a better pilot. Remember that you can repair almost anything on a GL. They always look worse at the field than when you start fixing it. I re-started my flying career with an old plane that now barely has any original wood in it. I've rebuilt wing and fuselage, as has almost every good pilot you see at the flying sites. A GL is a fine, low wind, thermal bird. Starting off with an instructor on relatively calm days is an excellent way to become a thermal pilot. I've seen a GL pull 15 foot circles and climb out from 50 feet. A feat that few thermal birds can put into their resume. The Zagi and, in general, all combat wings are designed for high maneuverablility on the slope. They are designed to be relatively unstable and fly relatively fast. Few pilots can thermal one, even when the lift is good. Learning to make a plane go up without a motor is something that not every pilot becomes good at. It takes practice to be able to circle up in lift and extend your flight from 2 minutes to 10 to 30. Don't overlook the experience of those 2 minute flights. Learning to launch and land your bird in one piece is something that is not trivial, but not too difficult. Everyone from beginner to expert, no matter what they are flying now, started with planes like the GL to learn these tasks. If you are going to primarily slope soar, a GL is still good on light days. You will be able to fly when almost of the other pilots are down, looking at the sagging windsock. You should, however, get a plane that is more forgiving to land when the wind is howling is up there. A Zagi is good for medium wind, but is much less forgiving on the controls. Input is nearly always required to keep it doing what you want. An EPP plane like the Highlander is a good mix of easy control with fault tolerance and flys much more like your GL than a combat wing. The point is to match the plane to your primary flying conditions. If you have a slope nearby, the GL is good for the days when wind is light, 5-10 mph. It provides a good opportunity to spend tens of minutes or more learning the characteristics of your plane. The best part is that the lift is in a fixed position so that you can learn the subtle art of recognizing lift, even though the lift is not so subtle. There is little chance of learning how to fly without some rebuilding. It takes very little to put a balsa plane into a landing which requires some repair. a good instructor and the use of a buddy box will minimize this and is highly recommended. It will keep you at the field instead of slaving over the building board. Keep CA and packing tape handy. CA to fix minor wood breaks and packing tape to fix covering rips. I know how it sounds when somebody tells you to get another plane. $75 for a kit, $30 for covering and $100 for the electronics. I used to choke at the meetings when someone would bring in a beautiful 3M molded ship worth $800 with another $200 in servos and radio gear. Don't be too discouraged by that. You too will eventually have a decent size hangar to call upon for the conditions of the day. No one plane is ideal for all conditions. Depending on your choice of aircraft, you can still pull the receiver and battery pack from one and put it into another until you get your second flight pack. I still am short receivered and switch from one to another occasionally. If you get a Zagi, be sure to use an antenna tube so that you can removi it without destroying your plane. I usually lave the servos in place, but they are relatively inexpensive. You have to make a choice. Stick with what you have and only fly in the conditions that are right for that bird, or expand your hangar to include several conditions. After 3 years of flying (again) I have about 8 planes that I can choose from to match the conditions of the day. I fly a scratch built 2M to thermal, and usually take at least 2 planes to a thermal field, in case of malfunction or minor, but unrepairable in the field, damage. I regularly take 3 planes to the slope to cover wind speed from 5 to 40 MPH, a hand launch feather, a 2M and a flat wing aileron. I hope that I have encouraged you to finish and fly the GL. It is a fine bird that is relatively easy to fly in light wind. I would still have one today if I did not skimp on rubberbands during a launch in my teens. The EPP slopers have their place, but will never replace the thermal ships on the flat lands, or even at the slope when the wind is light. As far as the money goes, It is never that easy to part with the money for yet another plane. If you do not already have a radio, the Zagi combo is reasonably priced. Even if you just use the radio gear in the GL, you can
[RCSE] For Sale: Psyko LT F3J
I am selling my NIB Psyko LT from NSP: Wingspan: 124", Wing area: 987 sq. in., Weight: 67 oz., Wingloading: 9 oz./sq. ft., Airfoil: SA7035, Skill level: ADV/ADV, Radio: 6-8 channel receiver, 6 micro servos, 600-1200mah battery pack Asking $500, shipping included. I just bought a Graphite Electric and need to reduce inventory... >From NSP's Website: "The Psyko Molded is a fantastic ship but the Molded Psyko takes soaring performance to another level! Launching is a matter of standing on the pedal and zooms are the highest! The epoxy glass and Kevlar fuselage of the Psyko Molded is a wonderfully crafted, streamlined beauty that sports a nosecone for ease of entry and strength. This new fuselage is prepainted and comes drilled and fitted for the wing. All the composite work is done at one location to ensure a good fit. Like the Laser 3MC, the Psyko Molded has a long tail moment and a generous fin for directional stability.All flying surfaces are composite. The wings are handcrafted hollow molded beauties. Only in the US can a molded wing be made so light and so strong. We have attained virtually F3B strength in a pair of wings that span 124" and only weigh 16.2 ounces per side! This is very light and the wing is very strong. The Psyko Molded wings are made from a very accurate plug and molded designed and executed by Daryl Perkins. The wings are finished white on top with either red or bright blue on the bottom to maximize visibility. The ailerons use live hinges with wipers installed for gap free operation. The flaps are hinged on the bottom in order to attain 90 degree operation and use a solid shaped wiper on top to provide gap free operation up to 30 degrees. When the flap is operated past 30 degrees the top gap naturally opens and provides a larger amount of surface area and drag for landing ease.The composite stabs are built and finished to match the wings are very strong and suprisingly light. We have endeavored to produce the lightest and strongest molded TD/F3J ship available anywhere and it shows in the outstanding performance! Like the Psyko Molded and all our top-of-the-line composite sailplanes, we followed our inclination to use nothing but the best components, and our hardware is top shelf. We include a special square molded carbon fiber wingrod, high strength fiberglass control horns and Litesteel rods for smooth, slop-free response. All hardware and instructions are supplied for the modeler, as is standard for all NSP kits. The Psyko Molded also comes with a full-sized set of Cad plans to make the task of setup and assembly clear and easy for the modeler.Great penetration and a surprisingly efficient glide are provided by the SA7035 airfoil. We have found the Psyko Molded launches very high and has the ability to range farther than any sailplane in its class. The speed range is very wide with an upper end glide almost as good as an F3B ship. The ability to hang in the air is just what you should expect from this advanced planform. We have been able to get an increase in glide and speed range of nearly 10 percent, and that's something you can see; but what's more amazing is the turn efficiency of the Psyko Molded. All sailplanes see an increased sinkrate in turns; the Psyko minimizes this loss and maintains the ability not only to float but also to retain its good straight-line abilities and stay efficient throughout the turn. With the Psyko Molded it is possible to make exploratory turns in fragmentary lift without concern for excessive altitude loss. What does this mean? As an expert pilot, you can feel confident to take the Psyko Molded to the limit of your piloting capabilities. The Psyko Molded will not let you down. The Psyko has legs! The computer designed quad planform gets the maximum from the 124" wingspan. The Psyko Molded pulls hard on the winch and climbs almost vertically when it's set up properly. The extended zoom at the top can be easily rounded off into a quick lively cruise, perfect for quickly reaching those thermals on the boundaries of visibility. It helps that the designer is the World Champ and 1997 Nats winner. Being a top competitor meant that a ship that Perkins designs would perform the best in every aspect. This is a very well balanced ship. Handling is immediate, tracking is steady and the overall feel is one of synergy, which goes together with form. The Psyko is one beautiful sailplane! The stabs use the SD9026 airfoil designed by Dr. Selig. This airfoil minimizes the deadband around zero angle of attack, which is common to symmetrical airfoils, and results in greater controllability at all airspeeds. Like all our composite sailplanes, the stabs have high aspect ratio along with generous area, again to enhance controllability.Flight performance is just as you would expect from such an advanced design. You get a flat reaching glide; slow speed handling equal to the SD7037 floaters. The Psyko Molded, while having a nice slow speed with minimum sinkrate, will
Re: [RCSE] Voltz Servos
All the servos out there have some sort of problem. The gears get sloppy really fast, the idler shafts bend really easy, they need to re-centered in different temps, the range of movement varies dramatically from identical servos, the detents blow out of the case top, they just stop working, some are DOA, service sucks, replacements parts are unavailable, and on. I have used and still use Multiplex, Volz, JR and Hitec servos. They all have problems, but with careful selection they can all work well in appropriate applications. Gordy, you can add Volz servos to the current F3F American record. I use Wingmaxx in the ailerons and HS 225 in the rest. Multiplex flap servos were used in Tom's Mojo for the DS speed record (186 mph) and Wingmaxx for the ailerons. I think Reese (186 mph) was using Jr 368's. I believe Hewett (183 mph) was using 141's. I flew a smaller plane to 168 mph using hs 85mg's. It is all over the board. Beyond the original purchase price and the durability of the servo you must consider the repair service. Gordy's service for Volz is top notch. Hitec's service is good. Jr service is good. My two cents, Craig Toutolmin RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] RES planes
Hi So far I have a CHicago Style in first and a Sensor 117 in 2nd. Were there any Majestics or OlyII's flown? I'm just trying to get an idea of what the trend is in RES. I'll post the list as I get more information. Thanks for your help! Ray RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Torrey Pines Petition!
97 as of a minute ago. The numbers are growing... --Bill Harris --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Pat McCleave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, Come on, I only see 29 names so far. With all of those who are signed up for RCSE there should be hundreds already. Even if you never fly slope or do not intend on making the trip to Torrey you need to support this cause. See Ya, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS Ps, I plan to have my 11 year son and 8 year daughter go online tonight to sign it. It should be preserved for our youth. From: tony estep [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: rcse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Torrey Pines Petition! Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:10:38 -0700 (PDT) --- Robert Bingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have posted a Petition online... http://www.gliderking.com/petition By all means, go sign this petition! If you have ever flown at Torrey, or just visited it as a spectator, you can appreciate how terrible it would be for R/C flyers to lose this site. Not only is great for the pilots, but it is a showcase for R/C flying where the public can see neat planes fly in a gorgeous setting. Click on Bob's link above and register your voice -- the whole process takes only a minute. __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [SoCalSlopeRacing] RE: [RCSE] Torrey Pines Petition!
My name is Francisco Rademacher. I am a new Sailplane owner and operator. I started less then 2 weeks ago but am fascinated, and hooked on the grace, and beauty of non-powered planes. The way they look, perform, and do no damage to surrouding area gives them a whole new dimension that with my powered planes was not achievable. They are without a doubt 10x more relaxing. I live all the way across the country in Cincinnati, Ohio but with all my heart have signed the petition. Anyone who kicks gliders out citing insruance as a reason is one that can be easily seen as a person who does nto give a damn. By which I mean fi he did 5 minutes of research he would see that anyone with AMA is "fully" insured. I am sorry this is happening to you guys and girls over there in Cali. I only hope that the type of piggish behavior by owners such at that scoundrel Jebb do nto happen over here. if there is anything I can do such as contact local Sailplane clubs for support, just tell me and I will do everything I can. Don't let up as no fight worth fighting for is ever easy.Francisco Rademacher Robert Bingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: two steps forward, one step back. change in progress. Bob -Original Message- From: Tom Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 9:34 AM To: Robert Bingham; Yahoogroups; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; rcse; Dan Field; Dennis Uyemura; Gary Fogel; Jerry Craft; John McNeil; Larry Fogel; Larry Scaramella; Nathan Woods; Rob Whyte; Steve Condon; Timothy E. Cone; Tom Copp Subject: Re: [RCSE] Torrey Pines Petition! 'Course, it would be better if the date was correct, since it's not yet September... Tom --- Original Message --- From: "Robert Bingham" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Torrey Pines Petition! Friends of Torrey Pines, We have posted a Petition online that addresses many of our concerns about the most recent closure of RC Soaring at this historic soaring site. This petition can be signed by anyone (worldwide) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENTTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs
[RCSE] Voltz Servos
Listen to your club members. Try the JR368s and from what I have been hearing the new Hitec digitals seem to be quite good as well. Another plus about Hitec is they have perhaps the best service on their products going. Dont know about JR service as I havent had to send anything of theirs in, which is maybe a good statement for their product. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] The Ultimate servo?
A composite of the following: JR 3421 motor, bearings, electronics JR 8411 case top design (brass idler gear bushing/o-ring seal) The new Hitec wing servo lower case w/proper wing mount lugs Multiplex programmability Wingmaxx size Hitec helical cut delrin gears (hs 605) Craig Toutolmin RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Re: How to slow down a flying wing - any suggestions?
Jeff Ried wrote: Most of the combat wings I've seen slow down real well once they hit something solid. So does my 4 lbs Mongojet wing, which easily breaks a normal combat wing in two due to its superior speed and inertia :-)! Best suggestions as yet are split elevons, or brake chute - the former by using two elevons per side in crow position. Tord BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Eriksson;Tord S FN:Tord S Eriksson EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] EMAIL;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] EMAIL;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20020815T222712Z END:VCARD
[RCSE] R/C Flying
Hi there, I thought you might be interested in this. Ive been scratch building and flying r/c for 50 years, starting as a child in Denmark and had hobby stores in Canada for many years. I'm retired now and I've started a Community for r/c enthusiasts from around the world, along with an MSN Chat Room, open 24 hours a day where people can drop by, ask questions and swap ideas. I host the chat room and my wife maintains the Community. No, I'm not a spammer, no advertising, nothing to sell, just a social thing as a natural extension to my passion for r/c. If you've a minute, check out the Community at http://groups.msn.com/rcmodelsflying The link to the chat room is posted under "Chat Room" to the left of the Community home page if you'd like to stop by. Cheers and Happy Flying! Johnnie AntonsenJoin the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] new galleries from Fiss and teck
Well... finally I have gotten through the photos and constructed two galleries cronacling out trip to Europe. we spent three days at Fiss Austria, and one at the Teck near Kircheim Germany, (home to Schempp Hirth). What these photos symbolize other than the fantastic scenery and good glider shots, is a mindset that allows all kinds of flying to take place at public venues without conflict of intertest, liability, or mine is better than yours issues. I hope that these will provide a respite from the problems at Torrey (for those who live near) and inspire those with the ability to see that slope soaring venues are preserved and maintained for the future in the U.S.. Enjoy the galleries. John Derstine Endless Mountain Models [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.scalesoaring.net/EMM/rand.htm RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
