[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #2571
Good Afternoon, The assumption of GordySoar is that I am new to modeling. Wrong, I have modeled since the early 40's when my uncles made glue by melting film with acetone. Modeling cement was unobtanium during the war. Those were the days of Banana Oil, split bamboo and Jap tissue. Then there was the progression through balsa stick and tissue, free flight, silk ukies, A1's, A2's and Airtrol (that never worked) in the 50's in Germany. In 1970, John Baxter LSF V #1, introduced me to soaring machines. Beginning with a Lil 'T, then matriculating through Gryphons, my first experience with elevons and Mode I. Mode I was common for people who built Heath Kits to get into radio control. Multi channel radio was very expensive in the late 6o's Martin's designs like Dodgson's designs gave us a great deal for many years... Because I am closer to seventy than sixty, my stable tends to give credence to those who have shown the way. As an aside, I have the kit because Martin sent it to me to review, in '96. My wife contracted cancer at that time and the review was never completed. The plane wasn't either. My current stable of TD planes includes a Viper, specifically modified by Mike Fox for my lead foot, a V-gilante, a Sprite, a Riser from Hell a specifically crafted TD machine for a particular event and most recently a Genie, built by Harley Michaelis. I thought it needful to let you and the list know, I am familiar modeling with soaring machines. Oh, I have been listed as a point of contact in my region, since '96 in RCSD. Christopher, in Omaha PS Here's an image of me and my viper three years ago.
[RCSE] Tinker Bell is Hot and Goat Lube
Watched a Walt Disney movie last night...Tinker Bell was flying around with her magic wand...Tink has a new very Hot body...Much sexier than years of yor. Bozo wants to date Tinker Bell Your fiend Bozo Got the plane I deserve...what about you? What about Goat Lube? Lets not go there today RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Ferrite Beads
Identify why they are buzzing. Disconnect the pushrods or clevis from the control surface, do they still buzz? I'm flying 4, 5.33 and 6.7 meter span gliders with up to 13 servos in a plane and there is no buzzing. No beads, nor rings, nor any other kinky stuff. I do use twisted wire, lots of it. I try to also use 5 cell packs on the larger ships. PPM too, not PCM. Even use a plain ol' Hitec superslim RX, no fancy names. We flew that sucker out 50% further than you would ever dream of flying a TD ship this afternoon no problem My guess is that there is something binding... something a half a turn on the pushrod threads might resolve. Spending more isn't always the answer. Good luck, Lee Estingoy Overland Park, KS - Original Message - From: Bob Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Ferrite Beads Ben Diss wrote: I've got a couple of wing servos buzzing is a big 4M scale glider. I thought I'd try ferrite beads to see if that might help. I found where Horizon sells them for $9/ea. Is there a cheaper source? -Ben RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Ben why bother? 10 feet out of your hand you don't hear them anymore. My buzz too but, always have. Never a glitch problem. Beads your adding weight for noise reduction, (here come the flames to tell me im tempting faith.) BP RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Radio Carbon Art videotapes for sale
I have a set of five unused Radio Carbon Art VHS videotapes for sale; all are still shrinkwrapped as they came from Paul. They are: Electric Airshow 2 Endless Lift II - Ultimate Soaring Endless Lift 3 Secrets of Thermal Soaring Going the Distance - Championship Soaring I will sell all for $75 + $5 shipping or individually for $18 + $2 shipping. Reason for selling new - I took up Paul's nine-fer deal on DVD's. -- *** Steven Bixby San Francisco Bay Area *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] LSF Nominations, window is about to expire
LSF nominations will close in 2 days, 12:00 PM September 30th. Be sure you nominate your candidate at http://www.silentflight.org/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Ferrite Beads
Lee Estingoy wrote: Identify why they are buzzing. Disconnect the pushrods or clevis from the control surface, do they still buzz? Most times the buzzinis from dirty pots. BP RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Ferrite Beads are better than chicken claws!
Most times the buzzinis from dirty pots. After doing a couple of hundred servo repairs of all brands, the dirty pot thing has clearly been put to rest as a urban legend in todays servos. IF the cause is mechanical (versus from RF feedback) its always from the motor. Stalled servos, servos working under the stress of 5 cells, or just high use, chars the motor's 'brushes' and comutator plates. That makes the motor weaker, and while the amp (digi or otherwise) is telling the motor to move, the motor just doesn't have the stuff...at that spot. Since the motors use Ferrite magnets, heated servos from the above energy sources can weaken the motor's horse power. Buzzing servos aren't a good thing, it speeds the servo's aging substantially. Whether it's singing or buzzing. So that brings us to the question, what is the value equation? How long should a servo work as good as new for the money charged for that servo? $20= 20 days of use (figuring 60mins flight time per day) = $1 per day? then at 21 days it starts buzzing, or gets weak, or gets some gear lash? In any case the whole buzzing thing usually ends up going to 'pot' ...not :-) Gordy
[RCSE] EMM new scale kits available
News, Krause kits now available from EMM These well respected traditional sheeted foam wing and gel-coated fiberglass fuselage sailplane kits are a great buy. There is still time to get in on the first Krause modelbautechnik order. I have prices and specs up on the EMM web page/pricelist page. There are no less than five 5 meter scale sailplanes available.Several smaller ones to 3.5 meter as well. All are not listed, if you have a favorite modern ship not on the list in the size you crave shoot me an email. I will also be placing a stocking order soon for some new Rödel kits. If you have a special kit in mind that we do not normally stock from Rödel, now is the time to get it. Best, John Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.net email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #2573
Good Afternoon, The assumption of GordySoar is that I am new to modeling. Wrong, I have modeled since the early 40's when my uncles made glue by melting film with acetone. Modeling cement was unobtanium during the war. Those were the days of Banana Oil, split bamboo and Jap tissue. Then there was the progression through balsa stick and tissue, free flight, silk ukies, A1's, A2's and Airtrol (that never worked) in the 50's in Germany. In 1970, John Baxter LSF V #1, introduced me to soaring machines. Beginning with a Lil 'T, then matriculating through Gryphons, my first experience with elevons and Mode I. Mode I was common for people who built Heath Kits to get into radio control. Multi channel radio was very expensive in the late 6o's Martin's designs like Dodgson's designs gave us a great deal for many years... Because I am closer to seventy than sixty, my stable tends to give credence to those who have shown the way. As an aside, I have the kit because Martin sent it to me to review, in '96. My wife contracted cancer at that time and the review was never completed. The plane wasn't either. My current stable of TD planes includes a Viper, specifically modified by Mike Fox for my lead foot, a V-gilante, a Sprite, a Riser from Hell a specifically crafted TD machine for a particular event and most recently a Genie, built by Harley Michaelis. I thought it needful to let you and the list know, I am familiar modeling with soaring machines. Oh, I have been listed as a point of contact in my region, since '96 in RCSD. Christopher, in Omaha
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #2573
Good Afternoon, The assumption of GordySoar is that I am new to modeling. Wrong, I have modeled since the early 40's when my uncles made glue by melting film with acetone. Modeling cement was unobtanium during the war. Those were the days of Banana Oil, split bamboo and Jap tissue. Then there was the progression through balsa stick and tissue, free flight, silk ukies, A1's, A2's and Airtrol (that never worked) in the 50's in Germany. In 1970, John Baxter LSF V #1, introduced me to soaring machines. Beginning with a Lil 'T, then matriculating through Gryphons, my first experience with elevons and Mode I. Mode I was common for people who built Heath Kits to get into radio control. Multi channel radio was very expensive in the late 6o's Martin's designs like Dodgson's designs gave us a great deal for many years... Because I am closer to seventy than sixty, my stable tends to give credence to those who have shown the way. As an aside, I have the kit because Martin sent it to me to review, in '96. My wife contracted cancer at that time and the review was never completed. The plane wasn't either. My current stable of TD planes includes a Viper, specifically modified by Mike Fox for my lead foot, a V-gilante, a Sprite, a Riser from Hell a specifically crafted TD machine for a particular event and most recently a Genie, built by Harley Michaelis. I thought it needful to let you and the list know, I am familiar modeling with soaring machines. Oh, I have been listed as a point of contact in my region, since '96 in RCSD. Christopher, in Omaha PS Here's an image of me and my viper three years ago.
[RCSE] CVRC Landing area at Visalia Friday Problem.
Hi Bob! I'm sending this out to those that are coming to Visalia next week also You made a good point. If there is a problem like this again ask any of our club members and we will make them move. The landing area is for everyone. We must work together so all can enjoy the up coming events. On Friday we do set up the landing area for the weekend and it will get crowded. You will have to put up with somecrowding. Thursday would be better if you can come down earlier. Friday has always been a bad day. We are trying something new this year. We are not using pins this year. We have a board that you put your AMA card in and if your card is in the slot you have the Channel. This will let all pilots know who has the channel. If there is a card behind yours please use the PA and let them know that its available. We will use the PINs during the contest. We have had to many get shot down on Friday from pilots just turning on the Tx in the Pits. No one knows who has the pin and people get upset. Pilots have to police them self's. We hope this will help solve the problem also. We can't run an impound during the week we can control it during the contest. Larry Taylor KF6JBGAssistant CDCVRC Visalia Fall Festival 2003Oct 4th 5thClub Web is http://www.cvrcsoaring.com - Original Message - From: Bob W To: Larry Taylor Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 12:05 AM Subject: GRASS Hi Mr. Taylor,I have been coming to Visalia for many years now, and I have always had a great time. CVRC puts on an outstanding 2-Day event. But last year on Friday I set up my winch retriever in the dirt along side your winch area, (like always) I and my club and others could not land on the grass alone side the landing spots-Because there where a few men launching landing with a Hi start. (Across the area) and they had no intension of moving---Forcing every one else to land in the DIRT. I hope you can do something about this problem; I come to have a GOOD TIME not argue or with anyone.Your Truly, B.W.
Re: [RCSE] Ferrite Beads are better than chicken claws!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most times the buzzinis from dirty pots. After doing a couple of hundred servo repairs of all brands, the dirty pot thing has clearly been put to rest as a urban legend in todays servos. IF the cause is mechanical (versus from RF feedback) its always from the motor. Stalled servos, servos working under the stress of 5 cells, or just high use, chars the motor's 'brushes' and comutator plates. That makes the motor weaker, and while the amp (digi or otherwise) is telling the motor to move, the motor just doesn't have the stuff...at that spot. Since the motors use Ferrite magnets, heated servos from the above energy sources can weaken the motor's horse power. Buzzing servos aren't a good thing, it speeds the servo's aging substantially. Whether it's singing or buzzing. So that brings us to the question, what is the value equation? How long should a servo work as good as new for the money charged for that servo? $20= 20 days of use (figuring 60mins flight time per day) = $1 per day? then at 21 days it starts buzzing, or gets weak, or gets some gear lash? In any case the whole buzzing thing usually ends up going to 'pot' ...not :-) Gordy Somehow I just knew you would know everything Gordy Im now sorry i answered someone on this list cause you know it all BP RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] LSF Platform
Jon Stone sent out a few good questions last week. I was out of touch so I am a bit late in replying, but here is what I think. Thanks for the bandwidth. Rob Glover What are my goals for the LSF for the next few years? The LSF Soaring Accomplishment Program is first and foremost. I'd like to explore ways to get more folks involved in it, and get the folks who are already involved in it more active. Acting as the AMA Soaring SIG is another important thing to keep up with. I believe that the LSF should actively push for events at all levels that compliment the Soaring Accomplishments Program. I'd like to see more LSF task days held, something like the power guys would call a fun fly but with an emphasis on getting signatures on vouchers. We have a pretty good contest schedule in many parts of the country, I'd like to say attaboy to all the CD's and local workers who make it happen. I'd like to hunt for areas that need more contests and encourage local folks to have them. We need to do some housekeeping as far as the bylaws are concerned. I'd like to see better communications between the members, to include the officers. This should be pretty easily done for those with Internet access and an interest. And the US Postal Service still works pretty well, even if the cost is greater. What do I want to change? I'd like to clean up the bylaws. I'd like to update the membership database to include electronic addresses for those who have access. I'd like to see Shortlines and other important communications mailed to those who do not have electronic access. I believe that changes will come from the membership and the organization will evolve as needed. Change in any healthy organization should be an organic process, commonly called growth. I personally like the new events Nostalgia and RES because I love to see folks build and fly their own planes. These events are perfect examples of organic changes that have been fostered by past and current LSF administrations. Hooray and let's keep it up! I'd like to facilitate the change of more of our members to higher accomplishment levels. What to I want to keep the same? I will do my best to keep the blue voucher sheet and the SAP exactly the same as it's been as long as I can remember. I am stubborn about this one. I strongly believe that one thing we should all be proud of is the high level of sportsmanship and camaraderie that we all see in this sport. I'll do my best to see that this is fostered. I will do whatever is in my power to keep the current cadre of NATS volunteers happy and coming back to Muncie every summer. This includes begging Valeta for more cookies. What are my thoughts on how the NATS should be run? What events would I drop, increase, decrease, etc., and why? (we all know this might stir up a hornets nest). Hornet's nest is right. No way to do this without stepping on somebody's toes, but here goes. I believe that the LSF should keep several things in mind when picking events to schedule for the NATS. What makes the Soaring NATS work is the support we get from the volunteers who do all the work. The first folks that I listen to are the ones who are doing the work to run the event. I don't like to see cliques running an organization, but I don't see the volunteer workers as a clique because anybody is welcome to join in the fun. We also need to keep the AMA satisfied. They are giving us great support in Muncie. The sight is beautiful and they let us use it several times a year, not just for the NATS. We have a pretty good working relationship with the AMA and it has been a beneficial relationship for both the AMA and the LSF. The LSF cannot make summary decisions regarding the NATS, we need AMA support. We have to pay attention to the market, which means that if we have an event that has 50 entries and needs more room, and another event that has 10 entries the smaller event will suffer. I don't have any personal ax to grind here but those entry forms dictate what we need to do. Another thing that we need to keep in mind is which events support our Soaring Accomplishment Program. XC may not get as many entries as F3B, but we are after all the LSF and not the FAI. If it's a near tie as to number of entries I'll push for the events that get signatures on vouchers. One of the great things about AMA NATS is that it is an Open Event. That means that any AMA member can come fly without having to qualify. This brings a lot of fun folks out of the hinterlands that I enjoy meeting. I like events that support this, RES and Nostalgia being examples. Given the choice I'd drop Scale (I don't see this as being very controversial based on the past several years attendance records). I'd have to look real close at F3B. If the interest is there then I am all for it, but if we don't get the entries I'd lose it. I fully realize that it is a wonderful event, but there may be more popular
[RCSE] RE: Mini-Ellipse Front Wing Hold-down Modifications?
Hi Jay, I've been through a few Mini's and the wing retaining peg has been a more or less constant source of trouble - any ME pilot will tell you similar stories. The problem is that with any undue stress the fuselage splits at the peg position, allowing the fuselage to deform and for cracks to propagate elsewhere. Stengthening with glass/carbon under the bridge has not worked for me. What I do now is (1) epoxy a semicircle of hard balsa about 1/4 - 3/8 inch thick immediately under the bridge to prevent the fuselage from splitting and to spread the load to the fuse sides. (2) remove steel peg altother, and fill in the hole with epoxy/microballons. Drill a hole in the wing for a second 3mm nylon wing hold down bolt just at the rear of the old steel peg. The bolt screws into a blind nut fixed to a 1/16 ply plate. the plate is glued under the wings seat, the existing flang prevents it from being pulled out. The bolt stands proud - I guess it could be counersunk but it doesn't bother me - anyway you can't see it when it's flying:) I have had no further trouble since. Hope this makes sense. - Mike From: Jay Decker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got a little to wild with my Muller Mini-Ellipse in big air and broke the front wing hold-down. Anyone, have a good modification for better front wing hold-down that they could describe or send photo of? Thanks, Jay Decker Kennewick, WA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Tinker Bell is Hot and Goat Lube
Yeah, Tink is hot. Check her out in the original Peter Pan. Tom PS I only know this 'cause I have young kids... - Original Message - From: Bozo speakes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 10:49 AM Subject: [RCSE] Tinker Bell is Hot and Goat Lube Watched a Walt Disney movie last night...Tinker Bell was flying around with her magic wand...Tink has a new very Hot body...Much sexier than years of yor. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
