Re: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models
Studying the NRA as a political model is not a bad idea I think the AOPA might be a better model. They appear to have an effective legislative program in place to protect general aviation from the excesses of government. Their interests overlap our interests so maybe the AMA should try to work with them, bulk up a bit so they don't look like a small bunch of oddball hobbyists that like to play with bits of wood and tissue paper. Martin Usher RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Transfers?
Hi! Martin Kopplow has developed really nice technique. He prints directly on kevlar. Check out his tailfeathers on the link below (you must join the SALglider group in Yahoo to see them). Arne -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:25:07 +0200 From: martin kopplow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SALglider] Printing on Kevlar with an inkjet pinter Ok, I've uploaded two pictures to the SALglider photo section at http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/salglider/lst?.dir=/Martin+Kopplows+Pictur es/Printing+on+Kevlar+and+tail+bagging.src=gr.order=.view=t.done=http%3a//br iefcase.yahoo.com/ Printing on fabric has advantages over printing on tissue when the size of the print is relatively large or even covers the whole part. It saves weight. It does not add a layer to the layup, forming no stress raisers at it's edges. It also makes the building process a bit easier if used appropriately. For a small print, such as a logo, I'd go the tissue way, though. First Picture (Layout, print and result): You can see a finished vert. full flying stab and a printed sheet of Kevlar or glass in front of the computer with the original layout on screen. Second picture (Bagging printed glass on balsa) You can see my vacbagging setup for a set of glassed balsa tailfeathers with cambered airfoil. The material under the part is somewhat flexible to allow the bagged part to sink in a little. Procedure: I first make the layout using my computer. This has the artwork in it plus all the marks for positioning and trimming. Leave a little space around the parts and at the edges of the print area. Then I roll out as much Kevlar or glass as needed on my cutting bench, stroke/blow away all wrinkles. I spray a sheet of usual 80g/m^2 copy paper (the size my printer takes, in my case it is A4) very thin with 3M repositionable photo mount and let dry a minute or so. I then put the paper buttered side down on the fabric at 45°, stroke it on. I trim the fabric exactly to the size of the sheet by either using a roller cutter and steel ruler (glass) or the Kevlar scissors. After preparing as many sheets as required, I go to my printer, put one in the paper feeder at a time and print on them in draft/economy mode. This ensures there is no excess ink soaking the fabric and blurring the image. Image resolution is limited to less than 30dpi or so by the distance between threads in the cloth, so there's no use in printing high resolution anyway. The first time I tried, I used a strip of tape to secure the sheet's LE when feeding into the printer, but that proved to be unnecessary, at least with my printer. It is - however - not recommended to try this with 90° cloth orientation: Threads (almost) parallel to the paper's edges will most probably get lose and tangle up the printer tractor. Cut the fabric somewhat smaller when 90° is required, so there's plain paper at the edges. After printing, it is a good idea to let the ink dry a few minutes, then I stick tape (non elastic, but sticky) on the fabric all around the edges and press on tightly. The tape overlaps at the corners, that's important. If I print more than one part on a sheet, I also put a tape in between the parts. Now I cut the parts apart (fabric still on the paper) right in the middle of the tape. I prepare my bagging rig, resin and tools, and only now I peel off the paper. Grab the paper with one hand, the tape with the other and slowly pull apart. Because of every cloth part being framed by the tape, it will not get irreversibly distorted during the process, even if this may look like it at first glance. I leave the tape on and put the fabric on the bench and blow on them: Just like magic, they will return to their original shape, use no fingers, just take a deep breath and blow on top of it. Then I wet it with epoxy and roll it dry, with the tape still on. Now I put the lower side fabric on a piece of overhead film (print looks mirrored now), put the core on top (can see exactly where, because of the printed reference marks) with the tape still on and place a piece of wetted out carbon roving around the edges of the core (thin one at TE). Now I put the top skin cut on another overhead film, put it on the core, adjust referring to the printed marks, put a sheet of prepared plastic film over everything, seal around the edges with acrylic and switch on the vac rig at max. It's getting noisy now in the shop, so I rather get into the kitchen and have a beer. After cured, I trim off excess fabric and the tape, sand the edges and so on. The result is in photo #1. Now I'm looking for a large format printer, that will feed Kevlar right off the roll :-) or at least allow printing the size of a wing panel. I could make nice wing paintjobs that way, or I could even print on the outmost layer of my Kevlar fuselages. I could take a digital photo and print it on,
Re: [RCSE] Zoom Time
Thanks, Dave. . .that's good stuff! Interesting that 107 fps equates to 72.95 MPH. Crude Rule of thumb: 2/3 FPS = MPH When I could run a 100 yard dash in 10 seconds (30 ft/sec), the coach said that was 20 MPH. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: [RCSE] Zoom Time In a message dated 10/20/2004 11:36:07 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey guys, you have provided a great deal of learned opinions about launch and zoom technique, how to determine altitude, etc., but no one answered the simple question: How many seconds from release to leveling out? Originally posted to RCSE on 10/17/04. From Flight Data Recorder: says it was about 4.5 sec (+/- 0.5 sec depending on the wind, launch quality, etc.). It's about 1/3 of the total launch time. This was not a full-size winch but the 1/3 factor is probably reasonably scalable. Time was measured from the max velocity at the 'dip' to max altitude/typical cruising speed. I timed a number of 3M ship, full bore launches at TNT (including a few Icons). Total launch time is about the same probably due to faster tow speed with more powerful winch system. Average of 9 launches. Time on tow: 8.4 sec Height on tow:280 ft Speed at release: 107 fps Time in zoom: 4.4 sec Height (zoom only): 107 ft Final speed: 31.5 fps Final height:385 ft Total launch + zoom time ~ 12.8 sec - Dave R RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Winch line tension
At 01:12 AM 10/21/04, you wrote: Eddie: I would be very interested in knowing about the resistors that you have used and how you wired them up. Actually, IMO, the whole list would love to get this info, and pictures would be worth a thousand words. Thanks for sharing this. Jack Harper Houston Hawks If you want to see the information on the winch that I built back in 1984 go to my web page at http://www.users.on.net/camtech/eddie/index.htm Remember that this winch was made twenty years ago and these days I use the Bosch motor to build winches. I only run two speeds now, setting the low power to a setting that allows the winch to drive all the way up the line instead of pulsing when the wind is too strong. Have a look and then get back to me with any question that you have. The circuit diagram isn't very clear but I can give more info on that if you want. Eddie the Eagle RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Zoom zoom zoom....the sound of RCSD articles?
I've been reading this thread with great interest. One thing that I've not noticed is something that I do on a zoom. On launch, I'm using a full-camber. When I'm about to enter my zoom, I not only take out the full-camber, but I go into a full reflex. My goal here is to get as much speed built up (kinetic energy???)... Now, when I execute my zoom, I have as much energy built up to maximize my launch. I've seen the difference with and without reflex in my zooms and I can honestly say that the reflex improves the launch greatly. As some of you have pointed out, it is best to experiment on launches to see what works best. I've gone out and killed a day just doing launches just to see what works and what doesn't. Kurt RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models-keep politics off the exchange
Just a polite request to keep this sort of political rant off the exchange. There's plenty of venues for this stuff. Soaring should be a safe haven from politics. Enough Barry Andersen Studying the NRA as a political model is not a bad idea And why not? I love to hear the NRA bashers rant on about the effect we have on the government, our government. I and thousands like me ARE the NRA. Just RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Clubs around Lompoc
Are there any glider clubs in or close to Lompoc Ca.? Maurice RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models-keep politics off the exchange
While I agree with Barry's premise that partisan politics (while at the same time sheepishly admitting to contributing to it in the past) are best discussed elsewhere, it would be foolish of us to ignore the effect of lobbying efforts in our represented republic. All three of the AMA presidential candidates mention working with various governmental organizations in their election statements. While Dave Brown's work with the FAA is important I think that all three of them might be neglecting the source of some of the more recent temporary flight restrictions (another debate in itself), that being Homeland Security. Large companies, organizations and other groups all hire lobbyists to ensure their interests are fairly represented in Washington (yet another discussion, money in politics). I think the AMA needs to not only continue the efforts they have made recently with the FAA and others, they also need to expand it to keep us out of the limelight and keep those who might be crafting legislation educated about our activities. I think this effort is truly non-partisan since it effects us all. This is just a curiosity question since I don't know much about the AMA at the president and AVP level (the executive counsil): Do the SIG presidents, TK and Jack before him, have much input in the AMA? My guess is they don't since they aren't included in the EC. One last item since I don't post much, did I miss the annual PETA v. KoB (Killers-of-Bambie) thread with obligatory soaring content of course? Kevin At 09:11 AM 10/21/2004 -0400, you wrote: Just a polite request to keep this sort of political rant off the exchange. There's plenty of venues for this stuff. Soaring should be a safe haven from politics. Enough Barry Andersen RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Zoom zoom zoom....the sound of RCSD articles?
Geeze Kurt; now everyone knows that! ;) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] DAW KA6 kits return along with others
For those of you that do not already know, SkyKing RC Products has taken over the production of many of the DAW EPP kits. During the next few months, we will be re-releasing the following kits: DAW KA6 3 Meter - first deliveries at the end of November DAW 1-26 2 Meter - first deliveries at the end of January DAW 1-26 60 - first deliveries at the end of January DAW KA6 2 Meter - This is a new kit - delivery date to be announced early next year DAW Dragonette - delivery date to be announced early next year DAW's well regarded all EPP KA-6 3 meter kits will return to the market beginning at the end of November. This is a great aerotow trainer and a fantastic and fun slope model. You can see photos of the finished kit at www.skykingrcproducts.com I will be accepting order in a few weeks. My web site is not currently set up to accept orders for this kit but it will be updated soon. The cost of the kit will be $229 including shipping to the lower 48 states. The first shipments will be at the end of November. If you would are likely to place an order for delivery at that time please send an e-mail so that I have an idea of how many kits to produce. Thanks, Ed RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models-keep politics off the exchange
Kevin, WHAT work with the FAA has Dave Brown done? In his August article - (which should be required reading for ALL soaring enthusiasts) he tells of his trip to the FAA; a meeting in which he said he was shocked to discover that pilots regularly flew models higher than 400 feet! Reminds me of Captain Renault from Cassablanca: Rick : How can you close me up? On what grounds? Captain Renault : I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here! [a croupier hands Renault a pile of money] Croupier : Your winnings, sir. Captain Renault : [sotto voce] Oh, thank you very much. Dave Brown participated in a record autonomous flight - then prohibited autonomous flight with an AMA safety rule! He has intervened to prevent new world records by at least 2 pilots I know by refusing to sanction flights into class A airspace or refusing record applications. He has NOT worked with the FAA in this area and he has left it up to the pilots to fight HIS fight with the FAA while he waits on the sidelines (sound familiar). We deserve better. Mark -Original Message- From: Kevin Sheen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 8:05 AM To: Barry Andersen; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models-keep politics off the exchange While I agree with Barry's premise that partisan politics (while at the same time sheepishly admitting to contributing to it in the past) are best discussed elsewhere, it would be foolish of us to ignore the effect of lobbying efforts in our represented republic. All three of the AMA presidential candidates mention working with various governmental organizations in their election statements. While Dave Brown's work with the FAA is important I think that all three of them might be neglecting the source of some of the more recent temporary flight restrictions (another debate in itself), that being Homeland Security. Large companies, organizations and other groups all hire lobbyists to ensure their interests are fairly represented in Washington (yet another discussion, money in politics). I think the AMA needs to not only continue the efforts they have made recently with the FAA and others, they also need to expand it to keep us out of the limelight and keep those who might be crafting legislation educated about our activities. I think this effort is truly non-partisan since it effects us all. This is just a curiosity question since I don't know much about the AMA at the president and AVP level (the executive counsil): Do the SIG presidents, TK and Jack before him, have much input in the AMA? My guess is they don't since they aren't included in the EC. One last item since I don't post much, did I miss the annual PETA v. KoB (Killers-of-Bambie) thread with obligatory soaring content of course? Kevin This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify Space Imaging immediately. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Paul Siegel Dominates F5J Electric Soaring...Again!
He was busy defending his WORLD title in Arizona! Actually it was in New Mexico. I was wondering when someone would post the top 3 of this event. Id also like to know what they flew and what power packages they used. Anyone?
Re: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models-keep politics off the exchange
Soaring should be a safe haven from politics. We can't ignore politics because unfortunately it won't ignore us. I'd wholehartedly agree that bringing in the NRA with all the baggage that entails isn't at all constructive but at the other extreme just pretending that government is going to look out for us -- or even care that we exist -- just isn't realistic. This whole thread started because it appeared that someone out there -- some mid to lower level official, not an elected politician -- decided that R/C aircraft presented a sufficient threat to the well being of important people that they could be disabled at will. Since we are now in a security-oriented culture nobody will tell us what they're doing or why so we don't even know for sure that this is happening and if it is under what policies it was applied -- we don't even know who to ask and we're unlikely to get answer sif we did. There are politics involved because politics sets the agenda, the cultural environment, and its the only way we're going to have any kind of input into this process. Martin Usher RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Cumberland fun fly
Would someome please send me the e-mail that went out about this a couple days ago. Thanks, Terry
[RCSE] FMA Receivers For Sale, Ham 72mhz
FMA Receivers For Sale Quantity Model Frequency 2 Micro 2000 53.3mhz 2 Quantum 8 Ch-04 1 Fortress 2000 53.3mhz 1 Fortress 2000 Ch-25 Ch-34 (two crystals) Make offer on any or all. Terry Edmonds [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] keep politics off the exchange
I have waited patently this week for this thread based on ignorance and misinformation to die, but it seems to have a life of its own! Would you right wing anti-American Wakos please find another forum to express you hatred and ignorance towards our country (USA) and its laws. I hear there are plenty of places to fly in China :-) Sincerely, Craig D Allen LSF111 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Broadband Over Powerline approved
On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 02:12:43PM -, tonyestep wrote: | In general this is the case with any commercial product or service | that emits radiation. However, the FCC's intent in this case | apparently is to give power companies a free pass to radiate across | the entire 2-30 mhz spectrum, remediating their interference only if | those affected can win a court battle. It's not *quite* that bad. The BPL providers can only emit so much energy -- and it's a pretty small amount, at least compared to our uses. If found to be emitting more than that much energy (which is probably quite likely to happen) the FCC is supposed to make them fix it. And probably will, but it probably won't be easy to make it happen. Hams have been dealing the powerline produced noise for a long time. How well it's dealt with depends on the power company in question -- some are really good, and some are bad and only do something when the FCC or local PUC gets on their case. And many don't have a clue what to do, let alone how to do it ... With BPL in operation, I'd expect a lot more of the `bad' ... | (Actually, the present BPL specs probably wouldn't affect RC planes | operating on 72, as no 72 mhz energy would be radiated by power | lines). Most systems being currently tested use 3-30 mHz. But most companies are considering extending the bandwidth to as high as 80 mHz to allow increased data rates. If BPL ever becomes popular, this is almost certain to happen. R/C is not `out of the woods' here, and I see nothing in the recent FCC documents that restrict BPL to under 30 mHz. | Despite all this, there will doubtless be some companies who will | try it, so a long battle lies ahead for those who oppose BPL. It is | very possible that some day the HF spectrum will be gone, filled | only with the buzz of radiation that would have been illegal until | last Thursday. Well, the FCC regulations have always allowed emitting a certain amount of noise, even in bandwidths allocated to other uses, and this is nothing new. BPL supposedly does stay within these rules (the BPL proponents tried have the limits increased for them, but I don't think that's happened yet) so the actual amount of the interference should be small. Alas, it's small compared to most things, but it'll be huge compared to most HF signals that hams deal with, and utterly pervasive across the entire HF band. BPL is a disaster for HF ham radio. However, I wouldn't expect BPL to affect RC usage much (even if BPL goes up to 80 mHz) -- it might create a zone around the power lines at the back of your field where it's not safe to fly, but I don't know exactly how large this zone would be -- it might be so small that it wouldn't be safe to fly in that zone anyways for fear of hitting the power lines. This would require some measurements of a BPL system in operation -- even if they're not going up to 80 mHz yet, one could probably extrapolate by testing 27 mHz equipment easily enough. I would have hoped that the AMA would have already done this, but I've seen nothing about this. | This noise, similar to what you hear on your AM car radio when you | tune between stations and race the motor, To be fair, the noise doesn't really sound that much like what you've described. The videos at http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/aud-vid.html will let you listen to it, if you wish. | shall henceforth be called Powell noise. Cute. Sort of like Santorum. (If you've never heard of it, http://www.rotten.com/library/sex/sodomy/santorum/, though it'll probably offend some people. You have been warned.) -- Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED], AD5RH FORTUNE PROVIDES QUESTIONS FOR THE GREAT ANSWERS: #19 A: To be or not to be. Q: What is the square root of 4b^2? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models-keep politics off the exchange
Martin, I've only seen speculation here - no facts at all. I'm not aware that anyone has presented any empirical data supporting the notion that the government is disabling RC aircraft. Mark -Original Message- From: Martin Usher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 9:20 AM To: RCSE Subject: Re: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models-keep politics off the exchange Soaring should be a safe haven from politics. We can't ignore politics because unfortunately it won't ignore us. I'd wholehartedly agree that bringing in the NRA with all the baggage that entails isn't at all constructive but at the other extreme just pretending that government is going to look out for us -- or even care that we exist -- just isn't realistic. This whole thread started because it appeared that someone out there -- some mid to lower level official, not an elected politician -- decided that R/C aircraft presented a sufficient threat to the well being of important people that they could be disabled at will. Since we are now in a security-oriented culture nobody will tell us what they're doing or why so we don't even know for sure that this is happening and if it is under what policies it was applied -- we don't even know who to ask and we're unlikely to get answer sif we did. There are politics involved because politics sets the agenda, the cultural environment, and its the only way we're going to have any kind of input into this process. Martin Usher RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. *** This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify Space Imaging immediately. *** RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Cumberland fun fly
Announcing the 38th Annual SOAR for FUN on scenic Mount Knobbly in West Virginia near Cumberland, MD on 6-7 Nov 2004.Two fun-filled days of camaraderie and scenery that only mountain-top soaringin the Autumn can bring you! (weather permitting!)All are welcome, AMA required for pilots. Usually, both slope and thermalconditions are experienced. Electric self-launching/flying OK, wet power aircraftfor piggy-back or aerotow launching permitted. DUE TO LOCAL PAGER ACTIVITY, USE OF CH 23, 24, 31 32 NOT RECOMMENDED!!HQ Motel is Braddock Best Western Motor Inn, La Vale, MD. Ph 1-800-296-6006, ask for Group reservations, identify yourself as attending the Soar for Fun for discount.Other motels: Super 8 1-800-8000 local (301) 729-6265Scottish Inn (301) 729-2880Diplomat Motel (301) 729-2311Continental Motor Inn (301) 729-2201Oak Tree Inn (301) 729-6700 No food concession at the field. As in the past, edible and potable contributions to the "free lunch" table are welcome! (usually plenty to eat!)Flyer/map available on request. in pdf (adobe acrobat reader) format as e-mail atch, or send snailmail address for hard copy GOOD LIFT! Skip Schow AMA 143, LSF 166(V #46) Vienna, VA [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Clubs around Lompoc
Are there any glider clubs in or close to Lompoc Ca.? Maurice I don't know if you would consider it close, but there is the Pismo Beach Soaring Society. You could contact Dave Zucker or Norm Timbs.George Gillburg Bakersfield, California RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Help!
I'm not doing something right here in trying to unsubscribe from the list. Can anyone just send my the commands verbatim? Keith
Re: [RCSE] keep politics off the exchange
Right On Crag! Go get um boy! AL Albert E. Wedworth ( AL ) ERA Capshaw RealestateREALTOR- ASSOCIATECell 530-228-9445Fax 530-343-1715
Re: [RCSE] keep politics off the exchange
TWIMC I am not sure that we can do (politics) that! Model Rocket jocks already need FAA, etc permission to schedule a meet. Fun flying (legal) doesn't exist for them. And most rocket sites are not close to where a lot of rocket jocks live. I am not sure why anyone would think that glider flying in a few special sites is not going to happen to us?SOONER THAN LATER! We fly too high. We are the RC group that will get hit first.(sorry) I cannot fly at two local power fields who would love to have scale glider pilots. They have a field use provision that states no flights above 500 feet, nothing really to do with AMA. Power guys do spike above 500 - but we play for hours up there. This was also true of 2 NJ power fields near Princeton when I lived there. Maybe we should not bash AMA - but we need to get their attention. But probably unlike, some of our favorite bashees, they may just lurk, take detailed notes, but not respond on line. At a local meeting/reception with Maynard Hill --- a modeler (in hind sight I think he was) asked Maynard how they (the team) got permission to exceed the AMA altitude restriction. I am not sure anyone got a clear answer - something about exceptions. just a few thoughts.. Jim On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:56:34 +, Albert E. Wedworth wrote: Right On Crag! Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Test
Sorry for the bandwidth. -- Bob Rice Rocky Mountain Soaring Assn Denver CO www.rmsadenver.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Anyone make an MS Excel set-up log sheet for the JR9303?
Thanks, RJ
[RCSE] anybody have Fast Eddies' address?
I need to contact Ed Franz. Anybody have his address?TIA - Rob Glover
[RCSE] Thanks-To all who sent me Ed's address.
Some times you guys are worth the price. Rob Glover RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Anyone make an MS Excel set-up log sheet for the JR9303?
I can absolutely make one up, and I'll do a great/complete job of it. Now, who wants to send me a 9303? Ch.58 please. Dan - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 8:38 PM Subject: [RCSE] Anyone make an MS Excel set-up log sheet for the JR9303? Thanks, RJ
Re: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models-keep politics off the exchange
It comes down to one thing. If you Ignore government and not pay attention to what they do or say, you lose. One day you go to your favorite field to fly and there is someone with a uniform There to stop you you scratch your head and say what happened. Well if you paid attention and stood your ground early when there was time to do something about it. You would still be flying. Don't believe me Look around and see how many rights are being taken away. I myself have a Pool hall Bar that now because of political malfunction nobody is aloud to smoke in the building, so we have lost 50% of our business. Only 5 of us showed up to fight it. ( go figure ) So stand back, do not get involved in the political aspect and the few of us left standing ( pray that there is enough of us ) will have to fight alone. And if only 5 show up to fight. Don't say a %(#$@ word when you have no place to fly because you didn't want to get involved. I love this sport I would realy hate to see it fade away because I can't fly my cross country or scale sailplanes any more. Try to keep a 5.3m scale ship below 500' Call that fun. On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:11:58 -0400, Barry Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a polite request to keep this sort of political rant off the exchange. There's plenty of venues for this stuff. Soaring should be a safe haven from politics. Enough Barry Andersen Studying the NRA as a political model is not a bad idea And why not? I love to hear the NRA bashers rant on about the effect we have on the government, our government. I and thousands like me ARE the NRA. Just RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. -- Ken York County Soaring Lighthorse Team YCS Silence is Golden RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Insecurity issues and R/C models-keep tics out of my shorts
Great day of soaring in Tullahoma today. I started in Fayetteville early this morning, dense fog but no big deal since I was actually doing some work. Weather report stated that it would burn off and turn into a gorgeous day, which it did. I flew with lots of buzzards from 10am till about 3:30pm.like Chuck Anderson, Fly'n Brian Smith, Kendall McDonald, Don Cleveland and Herb (code name Thumper). Definitley a sun screen day. Last landing contest was won by AVA-meister Fly'n Brian Smith. As usual I was overall winner for the day, since I got to fly and you guys didn't :) Gordy Louisville tomorrow
[RCSE] Florida Soaring
I'll be in Longboat Key (near Sarasota) for about 3 more weeks and wouldn't mind visiting any local soaring sites. I'd appreciate any directions. Thanks in advance, Jim Deck
Re: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models-keep politics off the exchange
--- Ken Leamy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It comes down to one thing. If you Ignore government and not pay attention to what they do or say, you lose. exactly. And be it guns or R/C Sailplanes, it will be gone. Frankly I don't own a gun... never have. But understand COMPLETELY the gun owner's postition. We ignore our loss of freedoms, even if we believe a particular loss is 'fine with me', at our own peril. And the limp 'you know what' lawyers we elect to office will ban or restrict the 'easy stuff' like R/C Sailplanes long before the hard stuff Mr China would have banned. Why? Why do we keep electing these people? Why is there no grass roots effort to have a 'none of the above' choice and make them select someone else? Dumb Dumb Dumb. No matter what it is, guns, speech, privacy, chemistry sets, rockets, R/C planes, R/C boats, R/C helis, you name it, once it's lost it takes 10 times as much effort to bring it back. Mr China simply 'does not get it' and sadly never will. He sounds good. So did Neville Chamberlain. Both would achieve the same results. :( This is my one allowed RCSE post on the subject. :D Those that would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither. How true. Jeff = --- Jeffrey D. Gortatowsky La Habra Heights, California Madam, there's no such thing as a tough child -- if you parboil them first for seven hours, they always come out tender. - W.C. Fields What wretched scoundrel stole the cork from my lunch? - W.C. Fields RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Florida Soaring, and voting
Hey it's about time for a new Non Soaring topic. Hey Jim, you going to place a couple of votes while you are down there? You should have enough time to establish residency. :-) Hey vote for me too. Here is the NEW Florida voting machine that the Democrats wanted so bad. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/Steve-Meyer/goofy/Florida%20Voting%20Machine.jpg At 10:53 PM 10/21/2004, James C Deck wrote: I'll be in Longboat Key (near Sarasota) for about 3 more weeks and wouldn't mind visiting any local soaring sites. I'd appreciate any directions. Thanks in advance, Jim Deck
[RCSE] unsubscribing
Thanks to all who pointed out to me that my email was formatted in HTML/RTF. I thought I had my default set to plain text. Problem is now solved and am leaving the list for the winter while I get my new business up and running (not enough time to deal with R/C of any kind for the next couple of months). See ya all in Phoenix area in Feb. Keith McLellan Northampton, PA
