[RCSE] Ghicago Turkey-Shoot
There were 17 enterants present, The "Winds" were outta the North, and blowing. I am sure that Bill W. will file a report soon, My Point here is the Thank, the Club for 2 nice presentations. Before the contest began, and at the end of the pilots briefing , Wayne Fredette was presented his LSF Level V Plaque by Jim McCarthy. I also, was presented with my nicely laminated plaque, containing my Level V parchment, by the LSF President Tom Kallevang. The SOAR club boasts 7 LSF Level V fliers, ( Maybe more), with many more on the way. The Turkey shoot was challenging and fun. It was a fun day, Lots of wind, lots of failed task attempts. Sorry you could not be there. Thank You SOAR Jack --Jack Strother Granger, IN LSF 2948 LSF Level V #117 LSF Official 1996 - 2004 CSS Gold
[RCSE] Re: Winch technology
At 03:48 AM 11/7/04, you wrote: Hi, Eddie I'm also interested in improving winch design. I've recently resurected an old one I built in the mid 70's. We had really small drum diameters (and widths) then probably because we were not using 350# test line! Anyway, Im a computer/electronics experimentor type and am toying with the idea of controlling the winch and retriever motors with microcontroller-aided foot pedals and switches, etc. In any event, I'm beginning to assimilate data about various designs. I would appreciate a list of those you know to be involved in winch technology. And, if there's anything I might do for you, just say so. Later; Regards: D. O. P.S. I want to get higher too! Hi ... There's not much you can do electronically to drive the winch as the rules state that there can be no electronic circuit between the battery and the motor. Of course is you don't go into contests it's a different matter. Fritz Van Breemen has a web site with a winch drive that is controlled electronically, but he doesn't say how he does it. Just do a search for his name and maybe add the word winchyou will find it. Other than Fritz I don't know of anyone who has done a speed controlled winch using electronics. I just use stainless strip as resistors and use multiple solenoids. I control the solenoids with transistors to reduce the current through the microswitches.It is quite effective but you will find that it is only worth adding one extra speed. See my web page for the circuit and foot switch that I made. http://www.users.on.net/camtech/eddie/index.htm and follow the winch design section. As for winch design the NZ site (winchNZ.com) has a reasonable designed winch as is the Australian airstrike winch. The airstrike winch is very simple but is only one speed. Apart from those two I haven't, in my opinion, seen any other good designs, although, they too, still need more refining. As far a retriever design goes, we don't use them down here. although I have seen a few attempts at construction one. The line that I'm now using is about 225 lb mono. with good stretching ability. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Re: Winch technology
Eddie Smith wrote: matter. Fritz Van Breemen has a web site with a winch drive that is controlled electronically, but he doesn't say how he does it. Just do a search for his name and maybe add the word winchyou will find it. That too is in my winch bookmarks ... http://www.cybercomm.nl/~fbreemen/winches.htm -- Andrew E. Mileski RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] For Sale : Airtronics Stylus + AERO card
Up for sale is my Stylus transmitter. I bought it from a fellow on RCU in January, 2001. Other than the usual scuffs on the bottom the radio is in excellent shape. I've upgraded the TX pack to 1650 mAh, as the stock pack would die after a couple hours of usage. With the 1650 NIMH pack I can fly all day without recharging! Included is a module on channel 18 and a 96801 AERO card. The original manual is included. No servos, receivers or chargers are included. Asking $250 for everything. Pics are available here: http://home.earthlink.net/~dojbofh/images/se_vende/stylus_front.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~dojbofh/images/se_vende/stylus_back.jpg Email for quickest response! -==- Barrett RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Chicago Turkey-Shoot
I would also like to thank the SOAR club for putting on the Turkey Shoot Sunday and Cap'n Jack for timing and the post contest "Libation". The wind was very brisk to say the least which took metil the last round to figure out. Thanks for keeping me in the wave lift Jack, 13:48 is a long time. All in all it was well worth the drive up from Champaign and I will be up for some more SOAR'n contests next year. Regards, John "Down State" Diniz 8^) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 6:33 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [RCSE] Ghicago Turkey-Shoot There were 17 enterants present, The "Winds" were outta the North, and blowing. I am sure that Bill W. will file a report soon, My Point here is the Thank, the Club for 2 nice presentations. Before the contest began, and at the end of the pilots briefing , Wayne Fredette was presented his LSF Level V Plaque by Jim McCarthy. I also, was presented with my nicely laminated plaque, containing my Level V parchment, by the LSF President Tom Kallevang. The SOAR club boasts 7 LSF Level V fliers, ( Maybe more), with many more on the way. The Turkey shoot was challenging and fun. It was a fun day, Lots of wind, lots of failed task attempts. Sorry you could not be there. Thank You SOAR Jack --Jack Strother Granger, IN LSF 2948 LSF Level V #117 LSF Official 1996 - 2004 CSS Gold
[RCSE] KCSE Turkey Fly
Hi Guys, I just wanted to extend thanks to the KCSE Club up in Kansas City for the great time I had Saturday at their Turkey Fly. This was the first TD Contest I had flown in since the 2002 Tulsoar event and it has really given me the bug to start competing again. I got to spend a real quality afternoon with a bunch of old flying buddies and also got to meet a few new flying buddies. The air was very challenging most of the day which in my opinion is the best way to have it on contest days. I was flying my new Tragi 705X for the first time (hey I had to buy a new TD plane since I had not flown TD in couple of years)and really fell in love with the plane. I managed to make all my times but one and only missed one landing, not bad for having a new plane and having not practiced TD for a couple of years. Again, I want to thank all the guys up in KC for an excellent afternoon of Good Soaring, Good Food and Good Fellowship. Now if we can just get this up coming winter over with so we can get on to next years contest season. See Ya, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] For Sale : Airtronics Stylus + AERO card GOOD DEAL
This is a GREAT DEAL, I just purchased one from a club member for 400.00. (with glider card and 1650bat) (I can vouch for Barrett too - since I just purchased his 50mem card and it arrived today.) This is a GREAT radio, I have two others (6 chan fut and 8 chan futaba) and this blows them away. Amazingly it works with all receivers - pos and neg shift (which really surprised me). (glider card not needed, it has great features stock without the add on cards). Ron -Original Message- From: Barrett Stridiron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 9:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] For Sale : Airtronics Stylus + AERO card Up for sale is my Stylus transmitter. I bought it from a fellow on RCU in January, 2001. Other than the usual scuffs on the bottom the radio is in excellent shape. I've upgraded the TX pack to 1650 mAh, as the stock pack would die after a couple hours of usage. With the 1650 NIMH pack I can fly all day without recharging! Included is a module on channel 18 and a 96801 AERO card. The original manual is included. No servos, receivers or chargers are included. Asking $250 for everything. Pics are available here: http://home.earthlink.net/~dojbofh/images/se_vende/stylus_front.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~dojbofh/images/se_vende/stylus_back.jpg Email for quickest response! -==- Barrett RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] What is the current highest capacity for AA size batteries on
I have heard that the NiMh AA cells of over 2amps have a high self-discharge rate. Perhaps not a problem for you, but something that definitely has to be taken into account in terms of maintaining peak charge. Rick Hello Everyone, I'm looking to upgrade my Tx battery pack and wanted to know what it he highest capacity AA size batteries on the Market today and what is a good source for them?? Thanks in advance, Edgar The Soaring Junkie RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Istanbul Open
Sadly the Norwegian was not invited but Sydney's gossip was read with big interest :-) Read his new Gossip : http://www.f3x.no/f3j/2004/istanbul_f3j_open_2004.htm See the results from the event http://www.soarist.com/istopen2004.htm Hilsen (regards) Jojo www.grini.no RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] What is the current highest capacity for AA size batteries on
I have seen 2100 AA batteries... On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:39:26 -0800 (PST), Rick Walba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have heard that the NiMh AA cells of over 2amps have a high self-discharge rate. Perhaps not a problem for you, but something that definitely has to be taken into account in terms of maintaining peak charge. Rick Hello Everyone, I'm looking to upgrade my Tx battery pack and wanted to know what it he highest capacity AA size batteries on the Market today and what is a good source for them?? Thanks in advance, Edgar The Soaring Junkie RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. -- Jay Hunter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Higest capacity DLG batteries (AAA size?)
1 would like 1000mah batteries for my dlg. AAA size would be the best. I am open to all suggestions... Thanks -- Jay Hunter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] FS: New servos. Several types.
Guys, shop cleaning and I found some extra servos. All servos are new in the box! JR DS-368 Digitals $59 per servo. Sold in pairs. $118 total per pair. Includes Shipping in ConUS. 3 pairs (6 total servos) available. Volz Micro Maxx X (analog) - $65 per servo. Sold in pairs. $130 total per pair. Includes Shipping in ConUS. 2 pairs (4 total servos) available. Volz Micro Maxx XP (analog) - $75 per servo. Sold in pairs. $150 total per pair. Includes Shipping in ConUS. 1 pair (2 total servos) available. Hitec HS-85mg - $34 per servo. Sold in pairs. $68 total. Includes Shipping in ConUS. 3 pairs (6 total servos) available. First come first served! Thanks, -- Greg Smith Slope Soaring Resource http://www.slopeflyer.com US distributor for Wizard Compact II, Opus DS V, Majko, Airtech models and PCM Erwin 5 models. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Battery food
Well, Battery Food for thought anyhow... For the convenience of it I had assembled a couple airborne packs from Wal-mart 2200 Nimh batteries..All was well till I crashed my Wonderful Ava-Gea...Two of the cells failed at the same time..They had been charged for a couple months on a Sirius Smart charger..So I blame the cells and not the charger... My friend Jon Stone suggested he does/ I should use nothing but sanyo batteries in my airborne packs..A couple months later, so far so good...My 2 cents about off brand batteries..You pays your money/You takes your chances...Brian Smith RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] What is the current highest capacity for AA size batteries on
Rick Walba wrote: I have heard that the NiMh AA cells of over 2amps have a high self-discharge rate. Perhaps not a problem for you, but something that definitely has to be taken into account in terms of maintaining peak charge. They have a high internal resistance, so they can't put out as much current. They are typically rated with a 0.2 C load. All Ni-MH should be used immediately after charging. In fact, the chemistry prefers to be hot, so right off the charger is best. After long term storage, the internal resistance makes it difficult to charge a completely flat cell. So unlike NiCd, Ni-MH should be recharged monthly. -- Andrew E. Mileski RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] NiMH/Charger
All was well till I crashed my Wonderful Ava-Gea...Two of the cells failed at the same time..They had been charged for a couple months on a Sirius Smart charger..So I blame the cells and not the charger... Although the Sirius charger is a great field and bench tool, it really helps to have something that can cycle your systems as well. There are many out there that are good - I think Sirius supplies one. It's a prudent practice to run a cycle every month or so just to check the health of the batteries. If the capacity isn't up to snuff after a couple of cycles, a new pack might be prudent. If you've got a VOM, you can usually find the weak one and replace it if you like to get in and solder things. BUT, when one goes, the others may not be too far behind. If you go this route, get something that can handle different battery setups - at least Tx and Rx packs, NiCd, NiMH and LiPo (if you think you might go that route), high rate and low rate charging. It seems like a bit of $$ up front but it's a lot less painful than losing a plane - especially an Ava Just a thought, - Dave R RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] NiMH/Charger/Test
I do have two Sirius Smart Testers...This battery pack had been cycled at least 3 times before I ever used it...And a couple weeks before it failed... I agree with Dave..JUST charging is not safe..Brian - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 12:31 PM Subject: [RCSE] NiMH/Charger All was well till I crashed my Wonderful Ava-Gea...Two of the cells failed at the same time..They had been charged for a couple months on a Sirius Smart charger..So I blame the cells and not the charger... Although the Sirius charger is a great field and bench tool, it really helps to have something that can cycle your systems as well. There are many out there that are good - I think Sirius supplies one. It's a prudent practice to run a cycle every month or so just to check the health of the batteries. If the capacity isn't up to snuff after a couple of cycles, a new pack might be prudent. If you've got a VOM, you can usually find the weak one and replace it if you like to get in and solder things. BUT, when one goes, the others may not be too far behind. If you go this route, get something that can handle different battery setups - at least Tx and Rx packs, NiCd, NiMH and LiPo (if you think you might go that route), high rate and low rate charging. It seems like a bit of $$ up front but it's a lot less painful than losing a plane - especially an Ava Just a thought, - Dave R RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Postal Contests and LSF Points
A question came up over the weekend asking if a soaring pilot competed in an event as a postal contestant, could that pilot claim LSF Contest Points. Our good LSF Secretary, Jim Deck, quickly found the pertinent clause on the LSF Achievement Voucher (Gee, the framers thought of everything): On the back of your voucher, Under Section 11 - Competition; A - Size it states: All contestants must compete at the same location on the same date. Therefore, no postal contests are valid for LSF points. = Tom Kallevang Wheeling, IL LSF President Webmaster LSF #303 Level V #103 AMA L292 SOAR (Chicago) __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Battery food
At 11:56 AM -0600 11/8/04, Brian Smith wrote: Well, Battery Food for thought anyhow... For the convenience of it I had assembled a couple airborne packs from Wal-mart 2200 Nimh batteries..All was well till I crashed my Wonderful Ava-Gea...Two of the cells failed at the same time..They had been charged for a couple months on a Sirius Smart charger..So I blame the cells and not the charger... My friend Jon Stone suggested he does/ I should use nothing but sanyo batteries in my airborne packs..A couple months later, so far so good...My 2 cents about off brand batteries..You pays your money/You takes your chances...Brian Smith Brian, Same here. So far the highest cap AA size Nimh cell I use from Sanyo is 1650mah. I have not seen any highest cap. I don't think anyone can use more that 1650 per day of flying. If you need higher capacity, you should have room for bigger cell. Or if you fly that much per day, recharge. Those 2100, 2300's are great for cameras, shaversetc. If they die, no big deal. I would not put those in anything that I deem important as life support system. Brian -- Brian Chan, An Electric Airplane Junkie @ San Mateo.Ca.USA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Battery food
On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 11:56:14AM -0600, Brian Smith wrote: | For the convenience of it I had assembled a couple airborne packs from | Wal-mart 2200 Nimh batteries.. You can do much cheaper than that -- about half the price. The local Frys sells similar sells for about 1/2 the price of what you can find at Wal-Mart. | All was well till I crashed my Wonderful Ava-Gea...Two of the cells | failed at the same time..They had been charged for a couple months | on a Sirius Smart charger..So I blame the cells and not the | charger... It's a good plan to cycle packs (to measure the capacity) that you make a few times before you fly, to see what the capacity looks like. If the capacity is lower than the rated capacity for new cells, you may not want to risk using it. If you solder too long, you can damage a cell or two and you want to catch that before you fly. (Actually, cycling even factory made packs at least once to measure the capacity, and periodically afterwards, is a good plan. Most battery failures happen gradually ... | My friend Jon Stone suggested he does/ I should use nothing but | sanyo batteries in my airborne packs..A couple months later, so far | so good...My 2 cents about off brand batteries..You pays your | money/You takes your chances I've not found any particular differences between brand name packs and non brand name packs. I have found that a few of the packs I've made had diminished capacity after soldering them -- presumably I kept the battery hot too long during soldering -- but that hasn't happened in a while after I got the hang of it. Like it or not, batteries fail. Sometimes suddenly. You can catch most of the failures on the ground with occasional cycling (and measuring the capacity, and tossing packs that get less than 80-90% of the rated capacity), but not all. One thing I've done lately is for a plane that I'd normally use 4 AA cells, I use *two* seperate AAA packs. (With two switches and two seperate charging harnesses, with both switches plugged into the receiver on different servo plugs (or using a Y harness if needed.)) Unless a cell is physically damaged, they rarely short circuit themselves -- instead, they usually either fail open, or the internal resistance rises to a large value (rising to an infinite value = failing open.) With two redundant packs, even if one pack fails, you've still got power. I'm also fond of the Hobbico Air Alerts, so if the voltage drops (usually indicating a battery that's about out of juice), I know about it unless it's either a noisy plane or way up there where I can't hear it. (If you do do two packs, be sure to charge each pack seperately. Putting the packs in parallel for charging is a recipe for not charging both fully.) That said, I've never had a plane crash due to failed batteries. I'm lucky, I know, but I'm also careful. And I have at least once found that the low battery alarm was going off on a battery that I thought was fully charged -- turns out the battery was just about to fail. That $15 spent paid for itself several times over right there :) And if your plane needs some ballast to get the CoG right, might as well just throw in another pack or a bigger pack rather than some lead, right? Might as well make that weight do you some good! -- Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED] `absorbent and yellow and porous is he!' RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Battery food
A note taken from the RadicalRC regarding fast charging of Sanyo's 2100mAh NIMH cells: This is Sanyo's latest high capacity AA. Unlike their other NiMH cells, these ultra high capacity cells should never be charged above C/2 or or about 1.1 amps on NiMH rated fast chargers. Of course standard C/10 or lower overnight charging is A-ok. Is your Sirius charger a Pro Plus or Limited Edition? The Plus model puts out a flat 1A per channel, and the LE model puts out a flat 2A per channel. Certainly enough to cook the batteries if the cells in the pack were a bit unbalanced. Capacitywise I use nothing over 1650 in an AA NIMH pack. If I need more capacity I use 2700 mAh A or 4000 mAh AU NIMH packs, as those tolerate repeated high-rate fast charging. -==- Barrett -Original Message- From: Brian Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 1:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Battery food Well, Battery Food for thought anyhow... For the convenience of it I had assembled a couple airborne packs from Wal-mart 2200 Nimh batteries..All was well till I crashed my Wonderful Ava-Gea...Two of the cells failed at the same time..They had been charged for a couple months on a Sirius Smart charger..So I blame the cells and not the charger... My friend Jon Stone suggested he does/ I should use nothing but sanyo batteries in my airborne packs..A couple months later, so far so good...My 2 cents about off brand batteries..You pays your money/You takes your chances...Brian Smith RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] onboard batteries
I'd like some 20,000 mAh cells for my latest glider. If they could be smaller than a penny each, more like a dime, but a bit lighter, that would be best. Let me know what's out there. Thanks Scobie in Seattle. ;-) Lift, Scobie at Liftworx www.liftworx.com http://www.liftworx.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Battery food
I have received a number of e-mails about my remarks, and, about Wal-Mart batteries...My intent was to make you aware of my experience, nothing else..Shoot, I even have some Wal-Mart stock... (not enough though) I have flown RC since 65 and have built and cycled batteries clear back when we used a Taylor cycler that I had to plug a clock into to see how long the batteries ran...I have used 3 or 4 different Smart Chargers/testers ever since Chuck Anderson sold me one he won in the raffle at Visalia about 95 or 96.. None better as far as I'm concerned...These batteries threw me a curve...Your mileage may vary, so do what works for you..Thanks for the BW..Brian RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Ghicago Turkey-Shoot
Easy 20mph winds all day... hey, it's Chicago, the windy city, what can we say. All kinds of cool wood on the field, I had wood before the contest even started. Jack had made custom foot pads for our winch pedals with our name and club embedded in epoxy, what a nice gift. And then not one but TWO level V plaques presented at the pilots meeting, which makes I think 7 level V pilots in our club. Several more of us are very close to joining them. TK, Jack and I were all flying our ICON's at over 100oz. The turbulence was so severe at points my ICON was tossed in the sky like I had no radio control several times. But it was a beautiful sunny day otherwise, and everyone was having fun. It is good to test your limits in winds like these, twists the strategies a bit. TK ended up winning the contest with his Big Red ICON, with Steve (how many pilots are in the contest today) Meyer bringing a close second with a fully ballasted Eclipse. 8-) Certainly a fun time, and with the weather changing probably my last contest of the year, it was memorable. At 06:32 AM 11/8/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There were 17 enterants present, The Winds were outta the North, and blowing. I am sure that Bill W. will file a report soon, My Point here is the Thank, the Club for 2 nice presentations. Before the contest began, and at the end of the pilots briefing , Wayne Fredette was presented his LSF Level V Plaque by Jim McCarthy. I also, was presented with my nicely laminated plaque, containing my Level V parchment, by the LSF President Tom Kallevang. The SOAR club boasts 7 LSF Level V fliers, ( Maybe more), with many more on the way. The Turkey shoot was challenging and fun. It was a fun day, Lots of wind, lots of failed task attempts. Sorry you could not be there. Thank You SOAR Jack -- Jack Strother Granger, IN LSF 2948 LSF Level V #117 LSF Official 1996 - 2004 CSS Gold Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Chicago Turkey-Shoot
John, Thanks for travelling up and flying with us, it's always fun to participate in a contest with you. Jim At 08:35 AM 11/8/2004, John Diniz wrote: I would also like to thank the SOAR club for putting on the Turkey Shoot Sunday and Cap'n Jack for timing and the post contest Libation. The wind was very brisk to say the least which took me til the last round to figure out. Thanks for keeping me in the wave lift Jack, 13:48 is a long time. All in all it was well worth the drive up from Champaign and I will be up for some more SOAR'n contests next year. Regards, John Down State Diniz 8^) Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537 LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net
[RCSE] AMA Ballots due
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[RCSE] FS: UPDATED! New servos. Several types.
Guys, shop cleaning and I found some extra servos. All servos are new in the box! Volz Micro Maxx X (analog) - $65 per servo. Sold in pairs. $130 total per pair. Includes Shipping in ConUS. 2 pairs (4 total servos) available. Volz Micro Maxx XP (analog) - $75 per servo. Sold in pairs. $150 total per pair. Includes Shipping in ConUS. 1 pair (2 total servos) available. Hitec HS-85mg - $34 per servo. Sold in pairs. $68 total. Includes Shipping in ConUS. 3 pairs (6 total servos) available. The 368s are all sold First come first served! Thanks, -- Greg Smith Slope Soaring Resource http://www.slopeflyer.com US distributor for Wizard Compact II, Opus DS V, Majko, Airtech models and PCM Erwin 5 models. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Battery food
At 02:12 PM 11/8/2004, you wrote: I have received a number of e-mails about my remarks, and, about Wal-Mart batteries...My intent was to make you aware of my experience, nothing else..Shoot, I even have some Wal-Mart stock... (not enough though) I have flown RC since 65 and have built and cycled batteries clear back when we used a Taylor cycler that I had to plug a clock into to see how long the batteries ran...I have used 3 or 4 different Smart Chargers/testers ever since Chuck Anderson sold me one he won in the raffle at Visalia about 95 or 96.. None better as far as I'm concerned...These batteries threw me a curve...Your mileage may vary, so do what works for you..Thanks for the BW..Brian It was 1995 and I won the Smart Charge the day after I bought one. I am still using the one I bought in 1995. Haven't found a need for anything else. In the flying season, the Smart Charge is mounted in my van while in the building season, I use it in my shop with the power supply I bought from George Joy. I also carry my Super Test battery tester in my van. Every month or so, I plug the airborne battery pack into the tester after flying to see how much is left. If it looks suspicious, I charge the battery and check it again. Only problem with the Super Test is that it doesn't work with my Evo. Wish I could get rid of the unneeded 5 or 8 cell test and replace them with a 6 cell test. Chuck Anderson PS If I had been smarter, I would have kept the one I won. That way I would have had one for the van and one for the shop. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] NiMH/Charger
I have several different charger, quick chargers, cyclers, testers, etc. I bought them after reading all the stuff floating around on this list the past several years about batteries, charging, maintenance, etc. I have still had several battery failures, using all this stuff to insure I dont have failures. Kind of funny, when I was more of a sport flyer than I am now, I used a simple wall wart to charge and a light bulb thing I made up to discharge my batteries. In the 15 years I used this stuff, I dont recall ever having a battery failure. There was one time before I bought a ESV that I ran my Rx batteries too long, crashing my old Olympic 99 at the slope but other than that I never had anything go wrong-until I got all this stuff to insure my batteries arent going to fail. If you ask me, except for the quick charger for those last minute charges, its all just a bunch of crap I really dont need to keep my batteries functoining-complete waste of money as far as Im concerned. Walter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, November 08, 2004 10:31 AM Subject: [RCSE] NiMH/Charger All was well till I crashed my Wonderful Ava-Gea...Two of the cells failed at the same time..They had been charged for a couple months on a Sirius Smart charger..So I blame the cells and not the charger... Although the Sirius charger is a great field and bench tool, it really helps to have something that can cycle your systems as well. There are many out there that are good - I think Sirius supplies one. It's a prudent practice to run a cycle every month or so just to check the health of the batteries. If the capacity isn't up to snuff after a couple of cycles, a new pack might be prudent. If you've got a VOM, you can usually find the weak one and replace it if you like to get in and solder things. BUT, when one goes, the others may not be too far behind. If you go this route, get something that can handle different battery setups - at least Tx and Rx packs, NiCd, NiMH and LiPo (if you think you might go that route), high rate and low rate charging. It seems like a bit of $$ up front but it's a lot less painful than losing a plane - especially an Ava Just a thought, - Dave R RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Battery food
Title: RE: [RCSE] Battery food I won't use NImH in an airborn pack at all. Fast charging them is too much of an issue. The Sirius Pro, which is rated to charge a 2000 mah pack, is only rated 1000 for NimH! NIcads are easily fast-charged, or even better, buy a second pack and change it out when you're getting low. Matt -Original Message- From: Brian Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 2:06 PM To: Brian Smith; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Battery food At 11:56 AM -0600 11/8/04, Brian Smith wrote: Well, Battery Food for thought anyhow... For the convenience of it I had assembled a couple airborne packs from Wal-mart 2200 Nimh batteries..All was well till I crashed my Wonderful Ava-Gea...Two of the cells failed at the same time..They had been charged for a couple months on a Sirius Smart charger..So I blame the cells and not the charger... My friend Jon Stone suggested he does/ I should use nothing but sanyo batteries in my airborne packs..A couple months later, so far so good...My 2 cents about off brand batteries..You pays your money/You takes your chances...Brian Smith Brian, Same here. So far the highest cap AA size Nimh cell I use from Sanyo is 1650mah. I have not seen any highest cap. I don't think anyone can use more that 1650 per day of flying. If you need higher capacity, you should have room for bigger cell. Or if you fly that much per day, recharge. Those 2100, 2300's are great for cameras, shaversetc. If they die, no big deal. I would not put those in anything that I deem important as life support system. Brian -- Brian Chan, An Electric Airplane Junkie @ San Mateo.Ca.USA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] resutls posted for ECHLGF 2004
If you have been patiently waiting for the resutls, I finally posted the table with the scores for ECHLGF 2004 on the web-page http://olgol.com/contest/results.html As I mentioned in my report, I promptly stayed at the last place despite a few very good rounds :-) Sorry it took so long... Oleg. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Battery food
On 11/8/04 13:35 Lydon, Matthew (NBC Universal) wrote: I won't use NImH in an airborn pack at all. And I wouldn't use anything else, and haven't for several years. That includes everything from hand launch to 40% aerobatic planes with 150cc engines on them. I have found that fast charging is not an issue. NiMH's handle a 1C charge very nicely, provided you are using a good charger like the Sirius. I charge on the way to the field and if I think that I am going to fly the packs flat, well then I just put them on charge between flights. My TD planes with 6 digitals (JR DS368) consume an average of 5 mAh of capacity for every minute of flight. That is an average load of 300 mA. A 2,100 mAh Nimh will last me for 5 hours with a healthy (25%) reserve. If I'm spending more than 5 hours per day in the air I'm flying a bunch. If I even get close to that, I pop the packs on charge between flights and I am good to go whenever. My 40% aerobatic plane with 10 JR8611 digitals has an average load of 2 amps. Two 2700 NiMH (5.4 amp-hour total) give me just over 2 hours of on time. That's about 8 flights. Way more than I do in an average session. If I want to fly more than that I simply pop the packs on my Sirius Quad charger to top off between flights. Easy stuff. ~~~ Bill Malvey RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Battery food
Title: RE: [RCSE] Battery food I've found (on transmitter packs) that the Sirius gives up at around 60% of charge, and that to get a full pack, I have to resort to a timed charge. NOT what I want to deal with when plugging in a set it and forget it charger. As for 40%, I do the same, with twin 1700 nicad packs. I'll actually throw the ship on charge every 4 flights or so, when I'm taking a break. Matt -Original Message- From: Bill Malvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 5:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Battery food On 11/8/04 13:35 Lydon, Matthew (NBC Universal) wrote: I won't use NImH in an airborn pack at all. And I wouldn't use anything else, and haven't for several years. That includes everything from hand launch to 40% aerobatic planes with 150cc engines on them. I have found that fast charging is not an issue. NiMH's handle a 1C charge very nicely, provided you are using a good charger like the Sirius. I charge on the way to the field and if I think that I am going to fly the packs flat, well then I just put them on charge between flights. My TD planes with 6 digitals (JR DS368) consume an average of 5 mAh of capacity for every minute of flight. That is an average load of 300 mA. A 2,100 mAh Nimh will last me for 5 hours with a healthy (25%) reserve. If I'm spending more than 5 hours per day in the air I'm flying a bunch. If I even get close to that, I pop the packs on charge between flights and I am good to go whenever. My 40% aerobatic plane with 10 JR8611 digitals has an average load of 2 amps. Two 2700 NiMH (5.4 amp-hour total) give me just over 2 hours of on time. That's about 8 flights. Way more than I do in an average session. If I want to fly more than that I simply pop the packs on my Sirius Quad charger to top off between flights. Easy stuff. ~~~ Bill Malvey RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Battery food
On 11/8/04 14:38 Lydon, Matthew (NBC Universal) wrote: I've found (on transmitter packs) that the Sirius gives up at around 60% of charge, and that to get a full pack, I have to resort to a timed charge. You generally need to leave the packs on for about 3 hours after the lights start blinking to get a 100% charge. The blinking light means they are topped off enough to safely fly, but to get the 100% charge you need to let them trickle for a couple hours or so. At least that is what I have found with my three different Sirius chargers (Limited Edition, Quad, and Pro Series). ~~~ Bill Malvey RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Battery food-Charger
At 2:46 PM -0800 11/8/04, Bill Malvey wrote: On 11/8/04 14:38 Lydon, Matthew (NBC Universal) wrote: I've found (on transmitter packs) that the Sirius gives up at around 60% of charge, and that to get a full pack, I have to resort to a timed charge. You generally need to leave the packs on for about 3 hours after the lights start blinking to get a 100% charge. The blinking light means they are topped off enough to safely fly, but to get the 100% charge you need to let them trickle for a couple hours or so. At least that is what I have found with my three different Sirius chargers (Limited Edition, Quad, and Pro Series). ~~~ Bill Malvey I use the Schulze isl 6-330d to charge them, from 4 cells to 30 cells. It is self regulated and when the charger beeps, it is fully charged, 98%-100%. The AA 1650 mah is charged about 1-1.2C, the 2600mah is charged at 2.2C(5.5-5.8 amp). One chager takes care of all the batteries(I am not saying that is the only charger I own!). The charger also charges and discharges Nicad, Nimh, Lipo, LiIon, Lead acid. Brian -- Brian Chan, An Electric Airplane Junkie @ San Mateo.Ca.USA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] AMA Ballots due
Also, be sure and DETACH it and drop the ballot into the mailbox seperate from the renewal form. Also, if you don't plan to renew, you can still vote. Help the rest of us and vote. And... please put the 'X' in front of Dave Mathewson's name. -Ben Howard Mark wrote: Your AMA ballot must be postmarked by tomorrow. So put an X on it next to Dave Mathewson's name and put it in the mail now! *** This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify Space Imaging immediately. *** RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Postal Contests and LSF Points
What the heck is a postal contest? Tom Kallevang wrote: A question came up over the weekend asking if a soaring pilot competed in an event as a postal contestant, could that pilot claim LSF Contest Points. Our good LSF Secretary, Jim Deck, quickly found the pertinent clause on the LSF Achievement Voucher (Gee, the framers thought of everything): On the back of your voucher, Under Section 11 - Competition; A - Size it states: All contestants must compete at the same location on the same date. Therefore, no postal contests are valid for LSF points. = Tom Kallevang Wheeling, IL LSF President Webmaster LSF #303 Level V #103 AMA L292 SOAR (Chicago) __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Chicago Turkey-Shoot
I had a great time flying the Turkey Shoot too! Conditions were warm and calm but the lift was spread out and tight. I managed to max all the tasks, but missed all the landings (have decided toskegless for a while and that makes a 1meter tape a challenge if you don't dork:-) Thanks to Bill and all the guys for creating and keeping this odd but fun event going. Next time I may try flying it in Chicago, instead of Atlanta :-) Gordy Atlanta tonite
Re: [RCSE] Chicago Turkey-Shoot
Last I heard on the field you hadn't phoned in your results... so we don't know how you placed, but we knew you were flying against us in much tougher conditions... cough cough 8-) That would make this a cellular contest instead of a postal contest, but you still can't use it for LSF points you rascal. 8-) At 06:42 PM 11/8/2004, you wrote: I had a great time flying the Turkey Shoot too! Conditions were warm and calm but the lift was spread out and tight. I managed to max all the tasks, but missed all the landings (have decided to skegless for a while and that makes a 1meter tape a challenge if you don't dork:-) Thanks to Bill and all the guys for creating and keeping this odd but fun event going. Next time I may try flying it in Chicago, instead of Atlanta :-) Gordy Atlanta tonite Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537 LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net
[RCSE] Mark IV electric sailplane by Midway
I purchased one of these kits and it did not include any hardware, hardware to join the two wing haves together. I was told that Midway stopped including hardware because of the cost. I have one that I purchased new from Midway and it included the hardware. Anyone out there know about these Kits ? A.B. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Mark IV electric sailplane by Midway
A.B. Lyles wrote: I purchased one of these kits and it did not include any hardware, hardware to join the two wing haves together. I was told that Midway stopped including hardware because of the cost. I have one that I purchased new from Midway and it included the hardware. Anyone out there know about these Kits ? A.B.[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I think I've got one of these kits around here. Just what do you want to know? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Postal Contests and LSF Points
You know...when a set of tasks is defined and everyone who wants to participate attempts to complete them on the same day(s). Results are mailed to a collator who tabulates the scores and announces a winner. We did something like this on New Years' Day this year, if memory serves. Something about longest flight... Tom Ben Diss wrote: What the heck is a postal contest? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Ghicago Turkey-Shoot
At 02:15 PM 11/8/2004, James V. Bacus wrote: TK ended up winning the contest with his Big Red ICON, with Steve (how many pilots are in the contest today) Meyer bringing a close second with a fully ballasted Eclipse. 8-) An Escape with 683 g, (24.1 oz) of ballast. Making an overall weight about 99 ounces and a wing loading of 13.76 oz/sq ft. Love the Escape, the faster it flies it just does better. Steve saving my best for the 20+ pilot contests Meyer RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Ghicago Turkey-Shoot
Right... one of the Jaro E names... sorry dude, it was even my model at one point. 8-) At 10:12 PM 11/8/2004, Steve Meyer wrote: At 02:15 PM 11/8/2004, James V. Bacus wrote: TK ended up winning the contest with his Big Red ICON, with Steve (how many pilots are in the contest today) Meyer bringing a close second with a fully ballasted Eclipse. 8-) An Escape with 683 g, (24.1 oz) of ballast. Making an overall weight about 99 ounces and a wing loading of 13.76 oz/sq ft. Love the Escape, the faster it flies it just does better. Steve saving my best for the 20+ pilot contests Meyer RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Mark IV electric sailplane by Midway
At 8:30 PM -0600 11/8/04, A.B. Lyles wrote: I purchased one of these kits and it did not include any hardware, hardware to join the two wing haves together. I was told that Midway stopped including hardware because of the cost. I have one that I purchased new from Midway and it included the hardware. Anyone out there know about these Kits ? A.B.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] The complete name is not just Mark IV. The plane was designed by Mike Charles about 1985ish. Midway kitted the palne. You can still contact the original owner of Midway, Bob Sliff. Brian -- Brian Chan an Electric Airplane [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] FS: New servos. Several types.
At 09:43 AM 11/8/2004, you wrote: Guys, shop cleaning and I found some extra servos. All servos are new in the box! JR DS-368 Digitals $59 per servo. Sold in pairs. $118 total per pair. Includes Shipping in ConUS. 3 pairs (6 total servos) available. Volz Micro Maxx X (analog) - $65 per servo. Sold in pairs. $130 total per pair. Includes Shipping in ConUS. 2 pairs (4 total servos) available. Volz Micro Maxx XP (analog) - $75 per servo. Sold in pairs. $150 total per pair. Includes Shipping in ConUS. 1 pair (2 total servos) available. Hitec HS-85mg - $34 per servo. Sold in pairs. $68 total. Includes Shipping in ConUS. 3 pairs (6 total servos) available. Um...just so you know, they sell for $30.99 each brand new. Joe Parsons First come first served! Thanks, -- Greg Smith Slope Soaring Resource http://www.slopeflyer.com US distributor for Wizard Compact II, Opus DS V, Majko, Airtech models and PCM Erwin 5 models. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
