date:20050305

The old coaster sprockets just aren't what they used to be.  They are 
not really designed for the RPM of a winch.  When I used to use them 
long ago, I found some brands that held up.  Cheap ones didn't make the 
first launch.  I use KK-25 one-way bearings now.

Generally if they hold up a few days, they will last a while.
James V. Bacus wrote:
At 07:39 PM 3/5/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
HI James and others,
we used to use coaster sprockets on our old winches (pre moulded models)
when we pulled less tension and they worked pretty well, but as the 
setup of
the models got better we started destroying them fairly regularly. We now
use KK series one way bearings with a shrink fit collar on the outside to
lock the bearing up.

Yes, I am sure that is a better solution.  I have launched off some FAI 
winches that used a positive locking mechanism you set a pin into.  The 
coaster brake works pretty nicely for the tap-tap-tap style of launch 
one does with twine, if the wind is strong you can get enough tension to 
ride the brake up, thus not reeling in extra line.
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Re: [RCSE] Line & FAI events


Rick wrote:
Now if I remember correctly I believe Dennis Phelan, Joe Wurts and Mike 
Lachowski share one thing in common - left handed . No two things - they 
are all winners. So addressing the rest of us mere mortals it goes 
something like this.  Left foot on the pedal.  Feet wide apart. Plane 
grasped in front of the wing by the right hand. Arm straight behind you 
Tail touching the ground. 
Actually I am mostly right handed, but I do admit that I throw my model 
with my left hand. I'm sitting here with a keyboard and a left and a 
righ mouse.  Either is fine with me.  Having both is handy doing some 
cad stuff.
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RE: [RCSE] JR DS368 servo arms

2005-03-05 Thread Jon Stone

Thank you John,

Super on the help.  I'll get my order in this weekend.

Jon




> -Original Message-
> From: John Diniz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 8:33 PM
> To: Jon Stone; soaring@airage.com
> Subject: RE: [RCSE] JR DS368 servo arms
> 
> 
> Jon,
> JRPA210 is the arm that comes with the servo. If you need a 
> slightly longer arm go with the 211. Also note that JR servos 
> have 23 splines on the output shaft. What does this mean you 
> ask? With the servo centered put the arm on, if it is not in 
> the correct position pull it off and rotate 180-degrees, now 
> it is centered with the servo. Regards, John


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Re: [RCSE] Line & FAI events

At 07:39 PM 3/5/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
HI James and others,
we used to use coaster sprockets on our old winches (pre moulded models)
when we pulled less tension and they worked pretty well, but as the setup of
the models got better we started destroying them fairly regularly. We now
use KK series one way bearings with a shrink fit collar on the outside to
lock the bearing up.
Yes, I am sure that is a better solution.  I have launched off some FAI 
winches that used a positive locking mechanism you set a pin into.  The 
coaster brake works pretty nicely for the tap-tap-tap style of launch one 
does with twine, if the wind is strong you can get enough tension to ride 
the brake up, thus not reeling in extra line.

Jim
Downers Grove, IL
Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR
AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV   R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net
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[RCSE] Hitec Digital Servo Burnout problem solved

2005-03-05 Thread Albert E. Wedworth




Hi All
 
I fixed my servo problem!
I installed Airtronics 141 servos in the 
wings.
 
Today I was bench flying my Ventus and guess 
what??
Two more Digital servos burned 
out! 
( I hate when that happens! )
SO I got a wild hair and installed my fleet of 
Airtronics 141 servos I had laying around..
Problem solved.
I guess the wiring in the wing wasn't big 
enough.
Everything is working GREAT
Cheers
Al
 
 
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RE: [RCSE] JR DS368 servo arms

2005-03-05 Thread John Diniz

Jon,
JRPA210 is the arm that comes with the servo. If you need a slightly longer arm 
go with the 211. Also note that JR servos have 23 splines on the output shaft. 
What does this mean you ask? With the servo centered put the arm on, if it is 
not in the correct position pull it off and rotate 180-degrees, now it is 
centered with the servo.
Regards,
John

-Original Message- 
From: Jon Stone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sat 3/5/2005 8:01 PM 
To: soaring@airage.com 
Cc: 
Subject: [RCSE] JR DS368 servo arms



I need a bunch of servo arms for my JR DS368's.  Which arms to buy?  
These
are possibilities from Horizon's site, but they give no details.

Standard Arm/Horn w/Screws [JRPA209]

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=JRPA
209

Offset Arms/Horns w/Screws [JRPA210]

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=JRPA
210

Offset Arms/Horns w/Screws [JRPA211]

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=JRPA
211

Micro Arms/Horns w/Screws  [JRPA214]

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=JRPA
214



Any of our esteemed Team JR members or Horizon reps know which will fit 
on a
368?

Thanks a lot,

Jon


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Re: [RCSE] Re: line and FAI events

I need to add that I cannot do that safely anymore.  The battery and the 
Ford motor are too heavy for a bad spot in my back.

But since the Lucas M35 weighs less than half and the battery the high 
end lawnmower special from WalMart even less than half of the battery 
required for the Ford I can still carry these. I can still be in the game.

By the way if anyone asks why old Farts don't use high starts they don't 
understand the nature of the beast- their glasses steam up from the effort.

Old Fart here.
Rick
Richard Hallett Pittsfield ME
Stephen Syrotiak wrote:
- Original Message - From: "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 8:52 AM
Subject: [RCSE] Re: line and FAI events
Oh c'mon!  For me, Mr. Subaverage, the homebuilt Ford L/S with 200m of 
200lb mono.  ONLY way to go!   Launches as high or  higher than 
"club"winches with braid.

We don't need no steenkin' retriever!  It's only a lousy 200m.  If 
you're flying alone or with widly spaced winches, it can be a shorter 
walk than that.

By the bye, Mr. Subaverage is an overweight 72 yr old...
Again, build an el cheapo winch and load it with mono.  Watch that 
moldie zoom!


We have a readily available winch motor in the Ford long shaft used 
from the first model Fords till 1966. > > The sucker weighs a ton and 
the battery to support it is always the largest in the line because it 
can draw so much current.
.
Ouch. 300m to the turnaround. (FAI is merciful only 200m)
So now we need a retriever. 

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[RCSE] JR DS368 servo arms

2005-03-05 Thread Jon Stone

I need a bunch of servo arms for my JR DS368's.  Which arms to buy?  These
are possibilities from Horizon's site, but they give no details.

Standard Arm/Horn w/Screws [JRPA209]
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=JRPA
209

Offset Arms/Horns w/Screws [JRPA210]
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=JRPA
210

Offset Arms/Horns w/Screws [JRPA211]
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=JRPA
211

Micro Arms/Horns w/Screws  [JRPA214]
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=JRPA
214



Any of our esteemed Team JR members or Horizon reps know which will fit on a
368?

Thanks a lot,

Jon 


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Re: [RCSE] Re: line and FAI events

Go for it, I am with you.
Most class me as an old Fart at 62
Best way there is to keep down the blood pressure.
Now if you would just remove some of the snow. Instead they say more is 
coming

Rick
Richard Hallett Pittsfield ME
Stephen Syrotiak wrote:
- Original Message - From: "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 8:52 AM
Subject: [RCSE] Re: line and FAI events
Oh c'mon!  For me, Mr. Subaverage, the homebuilt Ford L/S with 200m of 
200lb mono.  ONLY way to go!   Launches as high or  higher than 
"club"winches with braid.

We don't need no steenkin' retriever!  It's only a lousy 200m.  If 
you're flying alone or with widly spaced winches, it can be a shorter 
walk than that.

By the bye, Mr. Subaverage is an overweight 72 yr old...
Again, build an el cheapo winch and load it with mono.  Watch that 
moldie zoom!


We have a readily available winch motor in the Ford long shaft used 
from the first model Fords till 1966. > > The sucker weighs a ton and 
the battery to support it is always the largest in the line because it 
can draw so much current.
.
Ouch. 300m to the turnaround. (FAI is merciful only 200m)
So now we need a retriever. 

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Re: [RCSE] Looking for a comparison between the Eraser Xtreme and Sharon

2005-03-05 Thread Mike Remus




I am on my third Sharon Pro 3.7.  Been flying them for about 3 
years, except last year "personal reasons".  They are a real hand full to 
launch, must be flown at exactly the right air speed, a cow to land, and quirky 
in a thermal.  Tell him to Please stick with the 
Eraser.  It's much better.  Don't ask me why I stick with the Sharon, 
possibly to old to change my ways.
 
 Brare Rabbit
 
On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:26:43 -0700 "Adam Till" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
writes:

  Hi folks,
   
  Posting for a friend off-list. 
   
  He's looking for a relative comparison of the 
  flying abilities of the Sharon 3.7 and Eraser Xtreme, and since I've never 
  flown a Sharon, I'm not much help.
   
  I'd assume that the Eraser would be better at 
  working light or tight lift, but what about relative flight speeds or climbing 
  ability in lift? How strong is the Eraser Xtreme wing? (I know the F3B wing is 
  basically bulletproof...love my Eraser) Will the RG-15 Sharon wing slow down 
  nicely in lift like the Eraser's MH-32 will?
   
  He's finding that his d-box NYX doesn't match his 
  flying style, and is looking for something else. I'm pushing him towards an 
  Eraser of some description since I've been flying them for 5 years faithfully, 
  but don't have any direct experience with anything other than the F3B 
  version.
   
  Anyone have a NIB or like-new Sharon or Eraser 
  Xtreme (or F3J) that they want to sell? Would have to be in perfect shape, no 
  repaired models please.
   
  Cheers,
  Adam
   
  PS - got to fly a pair of bald eagles today as we 
  both themalled out from about 50 feet...what a treat! Photos:
   
  http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=343196
   
   
   Mike RemusLOFT Glider ClubFort Wayne 
INLSF Level 5 #112Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream 
Lofty dreams!

RE: [RCSE] HAM Operators, please call in! What channel are you on

2005-03-05 Thread glide

If you come to Maui, I'm using channel 03.  So that channel is kapu! 

Al Battad - WH6VE
AMA #506981

BTW, it makes more sense to inquire with the local group you fly with.  Only
10 available 50 mHz channels to deal with...

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From: Flying High [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 2:20 PM
To: exchange
Subject: [RCSE] HAM Operators, please call in! What channel are you on

Hello guys,

I'm trying to find a channel that might be open on HAM. 
For all you 50 MHz guys, please let me know what channels
you have for primary and back up channels.  I'm trying to
avoid and frequency conflicts.  

Thanks in advance,
Edgar
"The Soaring Junkie"
KG6NJO




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Re: [RCSE] Line & FAI events

You really are missing the equation here.
Your grass trimmer line should have had little stretch and would only
show the bad side of mono.

To get what you really want the plane, winch line, winch motor and wind
are part of the equation

Mono is very useful in launching on a Ford winch but the problems
associated with it, ouch . With the slightest slack it is not uncommon
on the standard drum to have it loosen like a giant spring all the way
to the bottom. That and the natural rat's nest and you have a long
learning curve. I have used it with a retriever and without for over
fifteen years. As the cd in this condition you run the winch.

A moderate size line the 150 works very well but is wrong. It is wrong
because you have enough power on the Ford winch that you can easily
break it.

Now that does not make sense does it. How can you get those monstrous
launches with only a quarter of the horses.?

You are loading a giant spring to the maximum then you learn to zoom it
at the end. You size your spring for the size of the plane and the
blowing wind and if you have left over energy you put clamshells on the
winch drum to use all the energy.

Now if I remember correctly I believe Dennis Phelan, Joe Wurts and Mike
Lachowski share one thing in common - left handed . No two things - they
are all winners. So addressing the rest of us mere mortals it goes
something like this. Left foot on the pedal. Feet wide apart. Plane
grasped in front of the wing by the right hand. Arm straight behind you
Tail touching the ground. You stomp the pedal and hold it down till the
chute is about 100 feet above the turnaround. Of course you have
dipped and left in the zoom long before this. But when you stomp the
pedal you hold till you have stalled the winch then hold it practically
in stall all the way up stretching backwards as you go. If you can't
hold it practically stalled you increase the size of the drum. In
addition you don't let go of the plane you put all the energy you can
into it to get it going as vertical as possible maintaining a straight
arm in the throw. This vertical launch avoids some of the pop off
problem. Then there are windy days in which you use the built in brake
which is there only to prevent you from pulling the line off the drum
again a rules item. Tighten the line weave it to the top and when you
are about to max start the stalled motor and hit the moon.

The power of the FAI winch is supposed to be a standard and few things
can be altered. You are allowed to add a front and ball bearings . then
your battery and motor are supposed to have a minimal ohm reading. But
the line and the drum is your choice .

The power of the FAI winch by itself is very moderate compared to the
Ford. It has something between one quarter to one third of the power of
the Ford motor. We never really realize the power of the Ford motor
because of the drag in all the heavy line we are using. The launch line
is so big we guarantee no one can break it then we use some more line to
shag it back, Our plane spends all its energy lifting this line

So put about 1.2 mm or 150 # mono on your Ford long shaft motor but be
prepared for some hard work till you learn to use it.

Helpful hints. Buy lots of mono it is cheap from some sources. Save the
expensive stuff till later. Don't put any extra line on your drum.
Match it precisely to the field. Make sure it winds correctly before
you start. If you don't it is not uncommon to break the end out of the
drum with the line building on one side. If you break the mono replace
it. Tie the line directly to the chute . Cut it off when you leave and
make a new knot tomorrow. Don't wind in someone else's line. Pick up
all the pieces it is not biodegradable. If all goes smoothly you will
be enthralled .

You should have lots of line brakes with both compromises. With the Ford
you chew everything to pieces with the excess power. With the mono and
the smaller winch you manage to find something to shave the mono or you
use too small a mono because you are trying to get more stretch. You
broke the mono though because you chose to do it that way on "YOUR" winch

IF you like launching from mono buy enough for your friends.
If you own the FAI style winch encourage people to use it and teach them
how. If necessary make a couple extra winches. Just wet their
appetite. They must see that they can do it too a demonstration by
someone else is not enough

Rick
Richard Hallett Pittsfield ME
Albert E. Wedworth wrote:
I put Grass trimmer on my ford Longshaft with REALBALLS installed
Didn't seem to be any better..

Can I put mono on my Ford Longshaft ???
Just would like to know.
Al

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Re: [RCSE] Line & FAI events

2005-03-05 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

HI James and others,

we used to use coaster sprockets on our old winches (pre moulded models)
when we pulled less tension and they worked pretty well, but as the setup of
the models got better we started destroying them fairly regularly. We now
use KK series one way bearings with a shrink fit collar on the outside to
lock the bearing up.

In Australia we were fortunate that one of the Modellers designed and made
some Aluminium castings to take the now standard Bosch Motor and the KK25
bearing in a nice package. http://www.airstrike.com.au/winches.htm

Personally I still use a Lucas M45 (used to be a long shaft before I chopped
it and added the outboard bearing) motor (more like your Ford long shaft)
with a similar setup to the Bosch but with a larger diameter drum due to the
slower rotating speed. I still like the original winches of unresisted M50's
:-) 3 times the power of a modern winch.

Regards

Tim Mellor
Kite House
Port Fairy
Australia
(61) 3 5568 2782 ph
(61) 3 5568 2461 fax

www.kite-house.com 
www.kitebuggyaustralia.kite-house.com


Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 18:11:54 -0600
From: "James V. Bacus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: soaring@airage.com
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Line & FAI events
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

The winches use a coaster brake from a bicycle on the outside of the
winch.  If you hook the chain over the sprocket before launch it has a
positive brake, great for windy days or for using mono line.

Here is an old picture of my winch I found on my web site, one side you
will notice the coaster brake.  Sorry, those pix were off my old camera.

http://www.jimbacus.net/soaring/Frp.html


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Re: [RCSE] HAM Operators, please call in! What channel are you on

2005-03-05 Thread miamimike

>Hello guys,
>
>I'm trying to find a channel that might be open on HAM. 
>For all you 50 MHz guys, please let me know what channels
>you have for primary and back up channels.  I'm trying to
>avoid and frequency conflicts.  
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Edgar
>"The Soaring Junkie"
>KG6NJO

Your callsign suggests that you're somewhere in California, so it probably
won't do you much good to know which channel I use here in Florida, but if
you think it'll help you I'm on 05 or 50.900 MHz.

It might be more realistic to check with other r/c users in your own
neighborhood rather than asking the entire r/c soaring world. Keep in mind
that the ten 50 MHz channels can be used for r/c cars, boats, glow plug
planes, helicopters, and even battlebots. 

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[RCSE] Looking for a comparison between the Eraser Xtreme and Sharon

2005-03-05 Thread Adam Till




Hi folks,
 
Posting for a friend off-list. 
 
He's looking for a relative comparison of the 
flying abilities of the Sharon 3.7 and Eraser Xtreme, and since I've never flown 
a Sharon, I'm not much help.
 
I'd assume that the Eraser would be better at 
working light or tight lift, but what about relative flight speeds or climbing 
ability in lift? How strong is the Eraser Xtreme wing? (I know the F3B wing is 
basically bulletproof...love my Eraser) Will the RG-15 Sharon wing slow down 
nicely in lift like the Eraser's MH-32 will?
 
He's finding that his d-box NYX doesn't match his 
flying style, and is looking for something else. I'm pushing him towards an 
Eraser of some description since I've been flying them for 5 years faithfully, 
but don't have any direct experience with anything other than the F3B 
version.
 
Anyone have a NIB or like-new Sharon or Eraser 
Xtreme (or F3J) that they want to sell? Would have to be in perfect shape, no 
repaired models please.
 
Cheers,
Adam
 
PS - got to fly a pair of bald eagles today as we 
both themalled out from about 50 feet...what a treat! Photos:
 
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=343196

[RCSE] HAM Operators, please call in! What channel are you on

2005-03-05 Thread Flying High

Hello guys,

I'm trying to find a channel that might be open on HAM. 
For all you 50 MHz guys, please let me know what channels
you have for primary and back up channels.  I'm trying to
avoid and frequency conflicts.  

Thanks in advance,
Edgar
"The Soaring Junkie"
KG6NJO




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Re: [RCSE] Line & FAI events

The winches use a coaster brake from a bicycle on the outside of the 
winch.  If you hook the chain over the sprocket before launch it has a 
positive brake, great for windy days or for using mono line.

Here is an old picture of my winch I found on my web site, one side you 
will notice the coaster brake.  Sorry, those pix were off my old camera.

http://www.jimbacus.net/soaring/Frp.html

At 08:35 PM 3/5/2005, D Hauch wrote:
Jim bacus wrote;
> For the most part, the Chicago guys all have positive brakes on their FORD
> longshaft winches.
> Mine has one.
How are you guys making the brake for the Fords ?
Still love the strecth of the mono compared to braided line, especially
on side wind launches.
dh
>
>
> At 07:23 PM 3/5/2005, D Hauch wrote:
> >I really like the brake on the f3b winch and the strectch of the
> >mono for those side wind launches.
>
> Jim
> Downers Grove, IL
> Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR
> AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV   R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net
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Re: [RCSE] Line & FAI events

2005-03-05 Thread D Hauch

Jim bacus wrote;
> For the most part, the Chicago guys all have positive brakes on their FORD
> longshaft winches.
> Mine has one.

How are you guys making the brake for the Fords ?

Still love the strecth of the mono compared to braided line, especially
on side wind launches.
dh

>
>
> At 07:23 PM 3/5/2005, D Hauch wrote:
> >I really like the brake on the f3b winch and the strectch of the
> >mono for those side wind launches.
>
> Jim
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Re: [RCSE] Line & FAI events


Oh yeah baby...  it works better if there is a positive brake
system, so if your winch doesn't have one you are really going to have to
monitor the tension, and not let the winch back spool on you.
Or you will end up with a snarled mess of mono...  yuk.

At 05:07 PM 3/5/2005, Albert E. Wedworth wrote:
Can I put
mono on my Ford Longshaft ???
Just would like to know.

Jim
Downers Grove, IL
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AMA 592537    LSF 7560 Level IV   R/C Soaring
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www.jimbacus.net

Re: [RCSE] Line & FAI events

Stumper my friend, I would respond to your emails privately if your ISP 
didn't SPAM BLOCK me!!!  ARGH

Anyways, it's not such an unpopular idea if you talk to pilots flying the 
event, but I know you Michigan guys typically don't like change too much. 8-)

>
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Re: [RCSE] Line & FAI events

For the most part, the Chicago guys all have positive brakes on their FORD 
longshaft winches.

Mine has one.
At 07:23 PM 3/5/2005, D Hauch wrote:
I really like the brake on the f3b winch and the strectch of the
mono for those side wind launches.
Jim
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Re: [RCSE] Line & FAI events

2005-03-05 Thread Albert E. Wedworth




I put Grass trimmer on my ford Longshaft with 
REALBALLS  installed
Didn't seem to be any better..
 
Can I put mono on my Ford Longshaft 
???
Just would like to know.
Al
 
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Re: [RCSE] Line & FAI events

Because we do this MoM format in OVSS, and we try to keep some parity on 
the winches.



At 04:06 PM 3/5/2005, Michael Lachowski wrote:

James V. Bacus wrote:
Too bad there wasn't more interest in moving F3J over from two man tow to 
winch launch.  Then I think you would see some more of us investing in a 
FAI standard winch.  The only reason to have an FAI winch in the USA 
today is if you intend to contest fly F3B.
It's going to be hard for most to justify owning two different types of 
winches when the FORD longshaft style is so prevalent here, and F3B 
contests so rare.
If you're not using your personal winch for contest equipment, then why 
own a FORD winch when a FAI winch with monofilament is much more fun to 
launch from.  Of course most folks haven't a clue what it's like to launch 
from good monofilament.
Jim
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Re: [RCSE] Line & FAI events

2005-03-05 Thread D Hauch

Michael Lachowski wrote;
> If you're not using your personal winch for contest equipment, then why
> own a FORD winch when a FAI winch with monofilament is much more fun to
> launch from.  Of course most folks haven't a clue what it's like to
> launch from good monofilament.

After adding a F3b winch with mono to my trailer, I don't
use the Ford longshaft much.
I really like the brake on the f3b winch and the strectch of the
mono for those side wind launches. Since the wind seems to switch
after everytime I get things set up. :-)  No prblem now.

dh


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Re: [RCSE] Line & FAI events


James V. Bacus wrote:
Too bad there wasn't more interest in moving F3J over from two man tow 
to winch launch.  Then I think you would see some more of us investing 
in a FAI standard winch.  The only reason to have an FAI winch in the 
USA today is if you intend to contest fly F3B.

It's going to be hard for most to justify owning two different types of 
winches when the FORD longshaft style is so prevalent here, and F3B 
contests so rare.
If you're not using your personal winch for contest equipment, then why 
own a FORD winch when a FAI winch with monofilament is much more fun to 
launch from.  Of course most folks haven't a clue what it's like to 
launch from good monofilament.
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Re: [RCSE] Line & FAI events

2005-03-05 Thread D Hauch

> Too bad there wasn't more interest in moving F3J over from two man tow to
> winch launch.  Then I think you would see some more of us investing in a
> FAI standard winch.

I'm all for that, then it would give more people the opportunity
to try F3b also.
dh





The only reason to have an FAI winch in the USA today
> is if you intend to contest fly F3B.
>
> It's going to be hard for most to justify owning two different types of
> winches when the FORD longshaft style is so prevalent here, and F3B
> contests so rare.
>
>
>
> At 10:32 AM 3/5/2005, Michael Lachowski wrote:
> >Most people don't like change. So I don't expect to ever see a shift to
> >FAI rule contests and launch equipment in the US.
>
> Jim
> Downers Grove, IL
> Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR
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[RCSE] Anybody have Rich Hollyday's e mail address?

2005-03-05 Thread Stan Myers

I've found his old web site but no email address.
Stan
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Re: [RCSE] Line & FAI events

Too bad there wasn't more interest in moving F3J over from two man tow to 
winch launch.  Then I think you would see some more of us investing in a 
FAI standard winch.  The only reason to have an FAI winch in the USA today 
is if you intend to contest fly F3B.

It's going to be hard for most to justify owning two different types of 
winches when the FORD longshaft style is so prevalent here, and F3B 
contests so rare.


At 10:32 AM 3/5/2005, Michael Lachowski wrote:
Most people don't like change. So I don't expect to ever see a shift to 
FAI rule contests and launch equipment in the US.
Jim
Downers Grove, IL
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[RCSE] Mid-South 2005

2005-03-05 Thread Allan/Tara

Anybody out there have the information for Mid-South championship this 
summer. If so please post to the list as quite a few people down this way 
are making plans for the summer
Allan Parsons
Orlando Buzzards 

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[RCSE] FS: Pike Superior SL

2005-03-05 Thread Tom Watson

For Sale: Pike Superior Super-Light X-tail.  Carbon spar and D-Box wing, 
kevlar/carbon fuse.  Orange top, green bottom with green/purple points 
on wing/stab tips.  Custom plug-in nose skeg.  All digital servos - JR 
DS3421 on stab, DS368 on rudder, DS168 on flaps and Hitec 5125 on 
ailerons with Hoopes wiring harness.  All servos are screw-mounted and 
easily removed.  1600 MAh NiMH pack.

Plane is in near-pristine condition (just a couple of slight scuffs on 
the lower nose, near the skeg) and has not been crashed or abused.  No 
cracks, dents, CA repairs or other nonsense.  Meticulously assembled and 
cared for.  RTF weight just over 68 oz and will take full-pedal 
launches.  Unique color scheme that stands out in a crowd.  Selling to 
fund another project.

$1,500 RTF, add your RX.
$1,200 w/o servos and battery.
Tom
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[RCSE] For Sale UK Buzzard Wing Tips

2005-03-05 Thread Michael Morjoseph





I have a Complete set of Blue UK Buzzard Wing Tips 
they are in very good cond just need Center Section to make a Complete wing 
set
this is coming off a High Tec RES Ship sorta like a 
Ava,Danny,Topaz..
Price for the set of wing tips is 150.00 plus 
shipping from So Cal
Mike .M  Team 
SWSA

[RCSE] C O N T E S T

2005-03-05 Thread Lee Cox


The Sierra Silent Soarers will be holding their 3rd. annual " GAMBLERS' GALA "  Thermal duration contest on July 16th. & 17th. Location will be our wide open pasture lands of the Laura Springs Ranch  in Gardnerville, Nevada
 
Check the web site for all information and entry forms as well as photo's and scores from last year.
 
Web site is at  < http://www.sierrasilentsoarers.com/ >
 
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[RCSE] Icon for sale

2005-03-05 Thread George Voss

Guys, I have a well used but excellent flying Icon for sale. It's had its
share of dings in the LE and the like but they have been repaired and are in
primer. If I paint the model, it'll look like new. There was no damage to
the spar so the wing is as strong as it ever was.

The plane has white tops and red bottoms. The tips have solid red and blue
paint patches as seen on the ML website. Since there are a number of little
places where there is primer, the plane doesn't look that great. But if you
can shoot a little paint, or if you want me to paint it, it'll look great
again.

There are no servos in the plane currently but it was set up with JR 368's.
This would make an excellent slope or DS racer or a good back up to a
primary ship, or even a primary ship with the added paint.

$1200 + shipping. I have a large corrugated plastic box I can send it in,
but I'll need it sent back as that's where my other repaired Icon rests.

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Re: [RCSE] Line & FAI events

The US soaring rules are pretty flexible. As a result, everyone does
thier own thing and they all sort of sound the same except some of the
landing tasks which might as well be games of "skill" at a carnival.

You should be familiar with some of the issues with a large country.
Most pilots only fly locally and not in competitions. Winches are
somthing that clubs and some individuals own. Winches never were a high
volume item and not something you see carried by any hobby distributor.
So folks build what they can build with the available parts. When
winches started being used for soaring, the ford starter was easy to
work with. The shaft was long enough to put a drum on and it is easily
bolted to a flat plate. The only thing that requires anything
resembling machining is the winch drum.

Every club also has thier collection of strong supporters and those dumb
enough to always put out winches. Then the other bunch of guys who show
up late and leave early so all they need to do is launch of someone
elses equipment. Throw a retriever on the winch and there is no
incentive for most pilots to have a winch.

So there is no need for FAI winches. Only if you want to fly in FAI
contests, which also means you have to run your own FAI contests.
Everyone else is flying in AMA "rule" contests. And most pilots have
never even seen an FAI competition or launched on monofilament.

Most people don't like change. So I don't expect to ever see a shift to
FAI rule contests and launch equipment in the US.

Proud owner of three FAI winches and boxes of monofilament line. I only
fly in braided line in AMA contests and I just used some of the roll of
braided line I have sitting around to tie up some newspapers for
recycling. Nothing like launching on monofilament. I sold my ford boat
anchor years ago.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You guys have braided line!
My sister has braided hair!

(very tongue in cheek!)

The impression that I get is that there are very few competitions to FAI
rules in the US? is there any particular reason for this?
The main reason I can perceive is that not everybody wants to own a
winch?

The Australian open thermal glider rules are basically FAI F3B Task A,
with only 2 launches permitted.

The first few years I started was Sunday flying a spirit on a bungy,
about 13 years ago!. I used other guys winches until I got my own. Its a
lot of money for someone young when starting out. Its a challenge to
satisfy the wants of the competition pilot and the Sunday flyer.
Something about the have's and have nots.

Our Jerilderie competition works well where we have found a formula. put
90 pilots all together. put people into teams of 6. we fly 6 heats per
round with about17-18 people all up at once man on man. if you don't
have a winch, no problem. there will be at least 2 or 3 winches per
team. most people in Australia have winches some even 2!

Imagine man on man with 17 people at once. its Awesome!

As Tony Barber says,

keep smiling, and bye for now!

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RE: [RCSE] What I have in my BIG glider.....

2005-03-05 Thread John Derstine




Both glider and towplane need strong servo releases. At least 90-100 in
oz in 1/3 scale sailplanes. Not only that, you need a tow release
mechanism that works under load, with no bends in the pushrod
controlling it. Set it up so that the servo pulls to release, not push.
This sounds obvious, but I have seen guys set theirs up the other way.
The aluminum cam wheel pivot "hook" type is the best type for this in
the sailplane. Other types. As in the pushrod and cross bar type can
actually bind more under load. In a big towplane with lots of power, the
F shaped milled aluminum top mounted tow release works well for
convenience, but you should have at least 100 in oz servo on it. The
only time you need to release the towplane other than unhooking up the
towline at the end of the day, is when there is an emergency. Plan for
it. 
 Let's look at when you really need a release quickly. When towing under
normal conditions a 30 in oz servo is fine, there is practically no load
on the system. But when trouble occurs, that towplane going down fast
and your still hooked, you better have all you can get in servo power
and mechanical advantage. Relying on the tow pilot and tug release is
not enough. I have seen tow releases fail to work even with strong
servos and good tow releases installed under high load. Not fun. Plan
for the worst case, and that is almost good enough.

With small light sailplanes and tugs, space and common sense should
dictate protocol.

The pull test is a great idea. How much? If I can pull the loop on my
1/3 scale anything as hard as I can with one hand and it still releases,
it is just about enough.

Someone is sure to mention using a "weak link" loop in the sailplane.
While good in theory, when you're going down fast waiting for your weak
link to fail, call me. Actually using line for loops that will break
before the tow line rips the release from the nose of your glider makes
sense, but it won't be practical to rely on it as a fail safe if it is
strong enough to pull your sailplane up in the first place.

JD 

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Re: [RCSE] Re: line and FAI events

2005-03-05 Thread Stephen Syrotiak

- Original Message - 
From: "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 8:52 AM
Subject: [RCSE] Re: line and FAI events

Oh c'mon!  For me, Mr. Subaverage, the homebuilt Ford L/S with 200m of 200lb 
mono.  ONLY way to go!   Launches as high or  higher than "club"winches with 
braid.

We don't need no steenkin' retriever!  It's only a lousy 200m.  If you're 
flying alone or with widly spaced winches, it can be a shorter walk than 
that.

By the bye, Mr. Subaverage is an overweight 72 yr old...
Again, build an el cheapo winch and load it with mono.  Watch that moldie 
zoom!

We have a readily available winch motor in the Ford long shaft used from 
the first model Fords till 1966. > > The sucker weighs a ton and the 
battery to support it is always the largest in the line because it can 
draw so much current.
.
Ouch. 300m to the turnaround. (FAI is merciful only 200m)
So now we need a retriever. 

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[RCSE] Re: Psyko Parts for Sale

2005-03-05 Thread Dale Kitchens

Here's what's left:

Psyko Fuse with nosecone and built up rudder rudder$75
Molded Left wing.$75
5/8 round carbon joiner$25

Additon to list:

Stratos X-tail stab set..cherry condition, white top & bottom..$50

Prices plus shipping.

Dale Kitchens
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[RCSE] Re: line and FAI events