Re: [RCSE] An apology
Well.. I guess most of us know that AMA has it's game plan and a few yelps from our minority group is not going to change it. I think it is time in RC Soaring's history for all of us to look inward towards our club's activities and ask what is the club's game plan? Is the club keeping up with the changes in the hobby? How easy it is to demand from others that which we will not do for ourselves. Here are some of the questions we should be asking: Who is the club favoring, the minority contest flyers or the majority fun flyers ? What club programs are attracting new people ? Is the club's membership growing? Is the club all about a monthly club contest ? Is the monthly club contest hard core and not attracting the majority of the members ? What is special about our club that gives new people a reason to join ? And many more questions. My view of rc soaring's future is the internet and electric powered planes are offering strong reasons to not belong to a soaring club. Only the club's with diversified activities will survive the next ten years. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: Jim Deck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 11:59 PM Subject: [RCSE] An apology It was bad form of me to post part of a private reply w/o the permission of the editor of Model Aviation regardless of my good intentions. I apologize to the RCSE forum for my bad behavior and the poor example it sets. Jim Deck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Model Aviation Editor's reply
Well.. I guess most of us know that AMA has it's game plan and a few yelps from our minority group is not going to change it. I think it is time in RC Soaring's history for all of us to look inward towards our club's activities and ask what is the club's game plan? Is the club keeping up with the changes in the hobby? How easy it is to demand from others that which we will not do for ourselves. Here are some of the questions we should be asking: Who is the club favoring, the minority contest flyers or the majority fun flyers ? What club programs are attracting new people ? Is the club's membership growing? Is the club all about a monthly club contest ? Is the monthly club contest hard core and not attracting the majority of the members ? What is special about our club that gives new people a reason to join ? And many more questions. My view of rc soaring's future is the internet and electric powered planes are offering strong reasons to not belong to a soaring club. Only the club's with diversified activities will survive the next ten years. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: Fred A. Sheplavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RSCE soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 12:12 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Model Aviation Editor's reply On the other hand John, I belong to three clubs in my area and don't believe that any of the members are competitors in any events of any type. Fred -Original Message- From: John Erickson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 5:15 PM To: Jim Deck; Soaring List Subject: Re: [RCSE] Model Aviation Editor's reply Wow, less than 5%? Sure isn't that number in our club, or the soaring clubs around Southern California. More like 50%, and in our club that number is higher. We use competitions as one way to fly together. These are not cut throat, yet they are competitive. I must be really out of touch with the rest of the AMA world, because less than 5% is a really small number. So for every twenty modelers only one flies competitively? JE -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA The competitor is now in the minority in AMA. In fact, less than 5 percent of our membership compete in any manner at all. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] An analogy (regarding Model Aviation magazine)
Jim, I think you are right on here. Another analogy would be how many of us drive cars but do not take part in competition? But many many people want to know what has happened in competitions around the world be it F1, Indy, LeMans, NASCAR etc. I will go back to my previous post and say that the competition we are referring to is not just a competition. It is our National Championships. In my mind what the AMA has done is to dimish the importance of their own members who strive to become the National Champion of their respective form of the hobby. Maybe our new Champion is the fellow who wins Top Gun in the AMA's mind. Maybe Top GUn is commercially more viable but that shows that the AMA is not capable of promoting our NATS properly. It should be promoted and refered to as an important part of our hobby. Mark Miller __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] An analogy (regarding Model Aviation magazine)
At 07:17 AM 11/2/2005, you wrote: Jim, I think you are right on here. Another analogy would be how many of us drive cars but do not take part in competition? But many many people want to know what has happened in competitions around the world be it F1, Indy, LeMans, NASCAR etc. snip I do, or rather did in my younger days. I also no longer fly real airplanes but it (and racing) are still a part of my life even though I no longer participate except as a spectator. I also still enjoy reading about free flight, control line, scale, and all the other phases of model airplanes that I have enjoyed over the years. Therefore, I am unhappy with the decline in the content of Model Aviation, I used to read most of the columns in Model Aviation. I have picked up a lot of ideas from them that have been useful in other types of models. Now most of these columns are gone. Alas, Model Aviation has followed the trend to slick up and dumb down the magazine for the illiterate generation. Lots of color pictures printed on glossy paper that is hard to read because of the glare and no drawings, schematics, and technical details of the models. Even the District Vice President's column has degenerated into nothing but pictures of clubs in their districts. I used to spend several hours reading Model Aviation. I spent less than 10 minutes reading the last issue on Model Aviation because there was only three articles that included any technical content. I had my own roll-up spray booth over 30 years ago, I have been carving wing tips from balsa blocks for over 60 years, and I no longer build scale models that need louvers so these articles didn't take long to scan. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Test flights for a large ship
It's looking like I may finish a large ship this winter, and I wonder what's the best way to try it out (without an aerotow) I picture it being around 18 pounds, and I bet that makes a standard hand toss a bad idea. My thought is a winch launch and no quick moves, but would a slope flight or a toss down a slight grade be better? Just hold off and tow it?? Thanks in advance, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Stylus For Sale $250 shipped!
Sold! Thank you RCSE! On Nov 1, 2005, at 8:09 PM, Michael Conte wrote: Stylus with: Glider Card 50 Model Memory Card 1650mAh battery pack Ch 39 Module Ch 35 Module 92185 PCM Rx (Ch 39) Neck Strap DSC Cord All Manuals I bought this transmitter new in 2001 and have kept it in a case when I'm not using it to fly. It's in excellent condition with two exceptions. The antenna has a very small kink toward the base but still extends and retracts fully. The lever that ejects the cards stopped working two weeks ago. The Rx works fine and has the old style plugs. The antenna was shortened and soldered to an integral antenna in a fuselage. I've since put the antenna back to the stock length and flown it several times. $250 for everything shipped CONUS Mike Las Vegas, NV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Charger
I am selling an Astro Flight 110D charger it is like new condition still in the original box. You can charge Nicads or NMHD's! This is a steal at $40.00 but you pay the postage.Ray RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Some Thoughts on AMA
Right On Tim! Cheers. AL - Original Message - From: Tim Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE Soaring soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:18 PM Subject: [RCSE] Some Thoughts on AMA All the comments I have read on this exchange over the last two days bring to mind some ideas that have been boiling in my mind for a couple of years regarding the Academy of Model Aeronautics and how it is organized. First, a little background regarding me. I have been a model airplane hobbyist for forty-eight years. My father and his brother were modelers before me. Like many others in the RC soaring branch of the hobby, I have built and flown FF, CL, RC gas, and electric models over the years, but have been pretty much exclusive to RC soaring for the last fifteen years. I fly with the Soaring League of North Texas (SLNT) in the Dallas/ Ft Worth area and am an AMA contest director. I think you could say I am an active contest flyer. Holding thirty-one club contests a year, SLNT may be the most active competition club in the country. There are thirteen unlimited sailplane contests including two separate contest days of the Texas National Tournament (TNT) each year. We will complete a total of fifteen handlaunch/DLG contests this year. There were also three RES events including one at TNT. I have flown in all but about three of these events over the past five or six years and have been CD of all the handlaunch events for the last six years. Attendance at these competitions has ranged from about eight to forty-five entrants with the average being between fifteen and twenty per event. Except for this year, SLNT has obtained AMA sanctions for about fourteen of these contests each year for at least as many years as I have been involved. My issue with the organization of AMA is that AMA is governed by an executive council made up of elected regional vice presidents. These officers are elected by AMA members within a geographic area regardless of their interest in the various disciplines of the hobby. For the most part geographical areas are irrelevent to the issues affecting AMA. It is clear to me that this system is doing a poor job of representing and dealing with the needs of a large portion of the hobby, including soaring. Model aviation has evolved into a diverse set of disciplines with many AMA members specializing in just one or a small subset of these disciplines. There do not seem to be many pylon racers who fly sailplanes, helicopters, indoor free flight, and control line carrier as well. How effectively are they represented by their regional vice president? I believe that this system should be replaced by a realignment of the governing board along the lines of special interest groups representing the modeling disciplines. Each special interest group should function as a separate division of the organization with its own funding and staff. The executive council should be made up of the heads of these groups with some form of proportional representation based on the number of members in each group. Members having interests in multiple special interest groups should be given the opportunity to join multiple groups paying dues reflecting these multiple interests. The current organization of AMA is a legacy of the state of the sport in the 1930's and 1940's when the academy was formed. Just making a model fly was a major achievement in those days. With rare exceptions, free flight was the only choice. Competition was primarily segmented along the lines of the age of the flyer and how the free flight models were powered. Junior, Senior, and Open flyers flew glider, rubber, or gas free flight models in AMA events. The interests of modelers in Virginia were different from those in California and representation was needed primarily to address those regional interests. Today, age group competition is almost non-existent. Flyers travel the whole country to fly in AMA events within their special interests. There are at least eight different segments of RC soaring each having their own needs regarding safety, insurance, flying sites, air space, competition regulation, radio frequency control, and launch equipment issues. These segments include electric, flat land thermal, slope, dynamic, hand launch, aero-tow, F3J, and F3B. AMA's regional vice presidents, for the most part, have no awareness let alone informed positions regarding any of these segments or their specialized issues and yet they govern our sport. The AMA contest sanction packages I have received recently have each had several pages of information and a waiver form regarding the use of jet turbine engines in my sailplane contests. AMA says we should not fly gliders higher than 400 feet AGL, but those same packages also included forms for measuring and filing for altitude records for models flying up to several thousand feet high. The safety column in Model Aviation has a lot of information about people
Re: [RCSE] Some Thoughts on AMA
Great Idea! Your hired. Thanks for you words. AL - Original Message - From: Tim Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE Soaring soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:18 PM Subject: [RCSE] Some Thoughts on AMA All the comments I have read on this exchange over the last two days bring to mind some ideas that have been boiling in my mind for a couple of years regarding the Academy of Model Aeronautics and how it is organized. First, a little background regarding me. I have been a model airplane hobbyist for forty-eight years. My father and his brother were modelers before me. Like many others in the RC soaring branch of the hobby, I have built and flown FF, CL, RC gas, and electric models over the years, but have been pretty much exclusive to RC soaring for the last fifteen years. I fly with the Soaring League of North Texas (SLNT) in the Dallas/ Ft Worth area and am an AMA contest director. I think you could say I am an active contest flyer. Holding thirty-one club contests a year, SLNT may be the most active competition club in the country. There are thirteen unlimited sailplane contests including two separate contest days of the Texas National Tournament (TNT) each year. We will complete a total of fifteen handlaunch/DLG contests this year. There were also three RES events including one at TNT. I have flown in all but about three of these events over the past five or six years and have been CD of all the handlaunch events for the last six years. Attendance at these competitions has ranged from about eight to forty-five entrants with the average being between fifteen and twenty per event. Except for this year, SLNT has obtained AMA sanctions for about fourteen of these contests each year for at least as many years as I have been involved. My issue with the organization of AMA is that AMA is governed by an executive council made up of elected regional vice presidents. These officers are elected by AMA members within a geographic area regardless of their interest in the various disciplines of the hobby. For the most part geographical areas are irrelevent to the issues affecting AMA. It is clear to me that this system is doing a poor job of representing and dealing with the needs of a large portion of the hobby, including soaring. Model aviation has evolved into a diverse set of disciplines with many AMA members specializing in just one or a small subset of these disciplines. There do not seem to be many pylon racers who fly sailplanes, helicopters, indoor free flight, and control line carrier as well. How effectively are they represented by their regional vice president? I believe that this system should be replaced by a realignment of the governing board along the lines of special interest groups representing the modeling disciplines. Each special interest group should function as a separate division of the organization with its own funding and staff. The executive council should be made up of the heads of these groups with some form of proportional representation based on the number of members in each group. Members having interests in multiple special interest groups should be given the opportunity to join multiple groups paying dues reflecting these multiple interests. The current organization of AMA is a legacy of the state of the sport in the 1930's and 1940's when the academy was formed. Just making a model fly was a major achievement in those days. With rare exceptions, free flight was the only choice. Competition was primarily segmented along the lines of the age of the flyer and how the free flight models were powered. Junior, Senior, and Open flyers flew glider, rubber, or gas free flight models in AMA events. The interests of modelers in Virginia were different from those in California and representation was needed primarily to address those regional interests. Today, age group competition is almost non-existent. Flyers travel the whole country to fly in AMA events within their special interests. There are at least eight different segments of RC soaring each having their own needs regarding safety, insurance, flying sites, air space, competition regulation, radio frequency control, and launch equipment issues. These segments include electric, flat land thermal, slope, dynamic, hand launch, aero-tow, F3J, and F3B. AMA's regional vice presidents, for the most part, have no awareness let alone informed positions regarding any of these segments or their specialized issues and yet they govern our sport. The AMA contest sanction packages I have received recently have each had several pages of information and a waiver form regarding the use of jet turbine engines in my sailplane contests. AMA says we should not fly gliders higher than 400 feet AGL, but those same packages also included forms for measuring and filing for altitude records for models flying up to several thousand feet high. The safety column in Model Aviation has a lot of information about
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[RCSE] Re: Some thoughts on AMA-it's about LAND
While the Internet has changed a lot of things about clubs and getting together and etc. it can't give you land to fly on. For the next decade, this is the largest challenge our hobby faces. Even park flyers will feel the Pinch as more and more people cram onto smaller and smaller park spaces for more and more of the day's flyable hours. Already I have to forget trying to fly at most of the flyable park land in my area because team sports are using it continually for one sport or the other, and the darn games overlap each other. Yes, you can fly in a driveway or cul-de-sac, the planes getting smaller and smaller... but that's not the only kind of flying I want to do. And as glider folk, I don't think most of you do either. Access is the real problem looming, with land prices going ever-upward, and developers grabbing up farm land everywhere you look, and a more litigious and over-careful society that more and more, looks at our hobby as either an annoyance or national security threat... How much flying will you be able to get in when you will have to drive an hour each way to the field or slope? It's going to happen, just a question of time. This to my mind is the number one goal AMA should have now: getting, and keeping flying sites with a long-term view. And that's a worthy goal no matter WHAT you fly. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Some thoughts on AMA-it's about LAND
Agreed, but that's a hard one to solve. Mr. Beshar tries very hard, and clearly has great intentions. However, in the recent past when I tried to get help from AMA for that sort of thing, I was very sorely disappointed in the quality of the program. It (then - I don't know about now) consisted primarily of a packet of info and testimonials from lesser known astronauts that clearly linked their involvement in model planes to their success as astronauts. Great, but how the hell does that get me a flying field or ride on a rocketship for that matter? Again, this is a very noble goal, that the AMA be involved and be a TRUE resource for lobbying and securing long term solutions to flying sites in the respective areas. I don't think that the staff (or the budget) are presently up to that task. I also think that the AMA better come up with some REAL solution to the Parkflyer / renegade flier (vs. or nearby) traditional fields issue. Seems to me a long time ago the AMA could have simply huddled with the 3 or 4 RC TX manufacturers and gotten them to voluntarily put the parkie (4 channel and under) radios on a select few channels and warned the rest of us to stay clear (like driving on New Year's Eve). Bottom line for me is that the AMA has a lot of dedicated volunteers who mean well, but either aren't informed as to the AMA's goals, policies and issues, or are clueless due to time constraints, age-related technophobia (VCRs are blinking 12?), or are simply in over their heads. AMA's primary goal seems to be gaining membership. Their answer to the where's the beef? question is rather lame. The solution to all of those is LEADERSHIP. I haven't seen much of that. Yes, I have looked for it. I don't think we are talking about soaring here... Lee - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 2:55 PM Subject: [RCSE] Re: Some thoughts on AMA-it's about LAND While the Internet has changed a lot of things about clubs and getting together and etc. it can't give you land to fly on. For the next decade, this is the largest challenge our hobby faces. Even park flyers will feel the Pinch as more and more people cram onto smaller and smaller park spaces for more and more of the day's flyable hours. Already I have to forget trying to fly at most of the flyable park land in my area because team sports are using it continually for one sport or the other, and the darn games overlap each other. Yes, you can fly in a driveway or cul-de-sac, the planes getting smaller and smaller... but that's not the only kind of flying I want to do. And as glider folk, I don't think most of you do either. Access is the real problem looming, with land prices going ever-upward, and developers grabbing up farm land everywhere you look, and a more litigious and over-careful society that more and more, looks at our hobby as either an annoyance or national security threat... How much flying will you be able to get in when you will have to drive an hour each way to the field or slope? It's going to happen, just a question of time. This to my mind is the number one goal AMA should have now: getting, and keeping flying sites with a long-term view. And that's a worthy goal no matter WHAT you fly. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Some thoughts on AMA-it's about LAND
So here is a question sure to draw some comments... Why not set up a program (details of which will be exhaustively long) that sets out to secure properties for RC flight operations? Buy, or lease long term, land in various regions to provide permanent securable flying sites. Members could pay into the program based on the field location, and price. The plusses here are way too many to enumerate, but the negatives...yeah I knowthis is just a little hobby, and there won't be any support for land acquisitions. Seems to me though that the right person with the right mind set could put together a program that would provide flying sites and security for the future of our little hobby that I like to refer to as a sport. Frankly, I think if we treat it more like a sport, we might get more support, and be taken more seriously... There you go... How's that for 2 cents. Mike (maybe a bit naive) Smith At 12:55 PM 11/2/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While the Internet has changed a lot of things about clubs and getting together and etc. it can't give you land to fly on. For the next decade, this is the largest challenge our hobby faces. Even park flyers will feel the Pinch as more and more people cram onto smaller and smaller park spaces for more and more of the day's flyable hours. Already I have to forget trying to fly at most of the flyable park land in my area because team sports are using it continually for one sport or the other, and the darn games overlap each other. Yes, you can fly in a driveway or cul-de-sac, the planes getting smaller and smaller... but that's not the only kind of flying I want to do. And as glider folk, I don't think most of you do either. Access is the real problem looming, with land prices going ever-upward, and developers grabbing up farm land everywhere you look, and a more litigious and over-careful society that more and more, looks at our hobby as either an annoyance or national security threat... How much flying will you be able to get in when you will have to drive an hour each way to the field or slope? It's going to happen, just a question of time. This to my mind is the number one goal AMA should have now: getting, and keeping flying sites with a long-term view. And that's a worthy goal no matter WHAT you fly. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Crystal Update
Title: Crystal Update JRs are sold to Marc G. I still have the rest. gv
[RCSE] Thanks RCSE!
I had a pleasant surprise in finding, through RCSE, that the local soaring club in my home town that I thought had disbanded was still active and I am in the process of joining that club. This was made even better when another local soaring enthusiast was guided to me and then on to the club by someone who had read my messages online. What a great community! __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Some Thoughts on Soaring!
Can't wait to get mine going. I am building a hand wound outrunner to put behind a Cosmotech gear box (also from NF), in fact am making a couple of different stator winds as the hot one may be too hot. One of our guys is pulling 450 watts which may make the wings flutter a little. I have flown a Poly Sergio all last year and maybe have a 100 flights on it, it is a great Paragon type relaxing flying plane that goes up in a gofer belch. Biggest problem is getting it out of a boomer. I have been pushing Kurt's stuff in our club and we now have maybe eight or ten of his planes flying or getting ready to fly. The Greater Detroit Soaring and Hiking Society now has electric launched sailplanes (not 3D stuff) at almost every outing and we at times never put up a winch and do impromptu MOM with a couple of guys for fun. Flew the E-Graphite II on 10 cells today (Kennedy Composites) and it was a blast going straight up to launch height in less than 10 seconds. 15 seconds made it really small. Fun is back.. On 11/1/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stopped in Buffalo today after a rainy day of demoing beach cleaners in Toronto (yeah I sold some :-)... In any case after gorging on Buffalo wings and Killians, I met up with Kurt from Niagrafrontier Models to take custody of a brand new F5J ship, the Pulsar 2005. This is a 78 organic construction ship with a unique plug in nose cone. The only thing that is not in the nose are the rudder and elevator servos, they stay with the back part of the fuse and the tail boom. This is an xtail ship that packs into a really small case, and battery changes are a snap. This thing is sooo light that it needs a wooden case to keep in on the ground when its apart. Kurt is a great guy, a working stiff like the rest of us, who enjoys supplying and flying F5J stuff. He really knows this part of the hobby and from the past years results, the Pulsar line has proven itself worth dealing. For you guys who love to complain about the hobby and its suppliers, don't bother with Kurt, he'll disappoint you with friendly, interested service. :-) For the others who have been thinking about getting involved in F5J Speed 400 competitons, take a look. The Poly Pulsar has been the most popular because of its ease to thermal, but if you want the challenge of full control (like I do) the 2005 is the way to go. http://www.nfmodels.com/contact.html Gordylouisville or bust! -- Jack IafretHome and Hobbies
[RCSE] Looking for some guidance.
I have been put to the task of promoting the ESL for the coming season. I need to put together a PR packet, and contact newspapers in advance of contests and put us on the map with the magazines too. I have ideas and I am sure many of you do to. I want some guidance from people who have actually done the PR job. Please don't respond if you haven't done this job, I am looking for first hand knowledge. I need to know what worked, what didn't. How to make contacts with the Newspapers, what belongs in the PR packet. We are looking to attract new membership, either kids, or adults, never flown, or have flown other disciplines. Please guys only respond if you have had experience doing PR work. Please reply offline directly to me. And thanks in advance. -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Some thoughts on AMA-it's about LAND
Wow, you have slope and thermal sites in less than an hours drive. That's pretty good. A better description for NJ is it takes an hour to get anywhere for anything. I will admit I'm lucky in that I do have a field 10 minutes away and I can fly the small stuff out of my back yard. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How much flying will you be able to get in when you will have to drive an hour each way to the field or slope? It's going to happen, just a question of time. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Gliders for Sale
Posting this for San Francisco Bay Area friend - please contact directly via info at end of list. Thanks. Model Gliders for Sale from former SBSS member:: 1) RR Genesis; 113in all composite full function glider; Airtronics Vision Tx 6 servos, ready to fly. Built by Scott Meader; flown 4 times; a few small imperfections. Not an SE version. $500 OBO 2) Airtronics Sagitta kit; 99in balsa and ply kit, new in box. $225 OBO 3) Airtronics Eclipse kit; 78in electric motor glider, new in box. $70 OBO 4) Spectrum; 109in all composite glider with 6 servos, can fly as is but needs cosmetic repairs, beer can material used to repair wings; good for first try with multifunction glider; 2 horizontal stabs; $140 OBO. 5) Rave fiberglass fuse by Viking; 10.25in wing chord, includes plans. ($25 OBO) 6) Great Planes Spirit 100; full function, 3 piece wing, 6 servos, ready to fly. Great first multi function glider. ($260 OBO) 7) Great Planes Spirit 100 kit; only rudder and stab built. ($100 OBO). 8) 2 Meter full function name unknown; no servos, composite fuse, foam core wing, free ($0) to a good home. Contact: Wayne Scott 408-379-3166 [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: PR for clubs
I know you asked for personal off-list correspondence, but I feel this may be of use to general readership as well, so I'm putting it here in case it can help others. I need to put together a PR packet, and contact newspapers in advance of contests and put us on the map with the magazines too. I have ideas and I am sure many of you do to. I want some guidance from people who have actually done the PR job. ... I need to know what worked, what didn't. How to make contacts with the Newspapers, what belongs in the PR packet. We are looking to attract new membership, either kids, or adults, never flown, or have flown other disciplines. There are many avenues to pursue, many outlets, some of these are not always apparent. I did PR for my club activities for a while, always got the Tv stations to come out, and got nice articles written up in the paper. Events got good attendance and we were a familiar name to the local government people. For TV/radio stations, you send a press release to the news director or assignment desk and a copy to the public affairs director, and it helps to compose it in the typical format (which you can find examples of by googling). For papers, the Assignment Editor or just the main Editor works. Look up and use their name if you can, the personal touch gets noticed. Keep it short and factual, W,W,W,W, and H. but since TV is a business of images, you have to hint at what parts of this activity will be visually interesting. One time we were doing a simple spot landing contest, but because we painted up a few sheets of plywood gray and called it a Top Gun- movie-styled carrier landing contest with photo-ops, we got them to come out and see us, even in the rain, and make a segment out of it. For radio and print, you want to find a hook that appeals to a certain reporter's or hosts pet subject. Education is one natural, because our hobby/sport has so many applications in that area, from science, to history, to math, to English lit (poems like High Flight, books like The Little Prince, Night Flight, etc.). You could work on doing a historical reenactment of some local historic aviation event. In February, maybe recreate a Bessy Coleman Flight, or a Tuskeegee Airmen escort mission with checker-tailed P-51's. You get the idea. Find the local hook into area history or culture, and put the prop-er spin on it. For example, my town was on Lindbergh's airmail route, I would try to do some demo flights in the undeveloped land where he use to take off from. Any aviation-related anniversary may present you such an opportunity. If you were to fly an RC missing man formation for someone who's passed away, don't you think a photo editor would be curious? One time we did a grade school demo fly, the reporter got hooked on one little casual comment we made, about how kids working on building and flying these planes were too busy to mess around with drugs, and that became the hook for his whole coverage, how this was a great, wholesome activity. I wish that was planned, because the standard coverage reporters do on our hobby is overgrown man-children and their toys. It's an easy story to do, it writes itself, and if they are lazy or pressed for time, they'll go to that theme always. You have to give them more, a fresh angle. I think there's not enough women in aviation, and I think a special girls fly day would be a great event. I bet your gears are turning already, with better ideas than these! Standard PSA type releases should be sent out to the attention of the Public Affairs Director at all the local tv, radio, and cable outlets. It's free, but the timing and placement are not usually that great, unless they feel like tying it into news coverage they are doing... You can also often get someone to do a full show about you for the local cable access channel, or you can get access to the TV gear and make the show yourself, even make it a monthly deal! If you combine an event like a fun fly with something like a charity fundraiser for the local scouts or a scholarship or etc. that's gold. Get with a school to support a science fair type project with an aviation theme, or to do one of those historical reenactments mentioned before. Things like a heavy-lift design contest or paper-plane design-and-fly are a natural. Even if these things don't all directly translate to RC gliders, they all lead to the same good place, and your club WILL benefit. If you have a 1st of the New-year frozen-fingers contest, let the local Tv and paper know about the photo-op a couple days ahead, those kinds of holidays are often slow news days and they need cute local-flavored filler. Mall shows are always a good way to attract attention. Have videos and a simulator available, even do some actual building onsite so show how easy it can be. Order up the premade literature and pamphlets AMA makes, they are a good start, then use them
