[RCSE] Fw: Laminating Filem

[Gary Rexroad]

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From: Gary Rexroad 
To: RCSE 
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 1:14 AM
Subject: Laminating Filem


Has anyone used PLDaniles method of using Laminating Flam for covering a bullet 
up plain ?

He has allot of articles on building on his web site.
www.pldaniels.com

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[RCSE] *SOLD* FOR SALE FUTABA 9Z HAM TX Module 03

[Joe Rodriguez]

SOLD SOLD SOLD 
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  Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:53 AM
  Subject: [RCSE] FOR SALE FUTABA 9Z HAM TX Module 03


  IT CONTINUES

  FOR SALE is a FUTABA 9Z HAM TX Module on 03 almost new

  $45 shipped CONUS

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[RCSE] For Sale Topaz Electric RTF

[michael morjoseph]

For Sale Topaz Electric RTF
This Plane is Very Nice
Has Lipo Batterys and Mega Motor,Folding Prop
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[RCSE] Wanted Sharon RTF....Etc.. Can pick up in so cal

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Wanted Sharon RTFEtc
Must be in good condition
can pick up in so cal
or you can ship it too me in a sport tube etc
Please let me know what you have available
and also the Xmas Special!!!
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Re: [RCSE] Re: Solenoid Failure

[Jeff Steifel]

Mass failures happen when someone over tightens the lugs on the 
solenoid. They do it for all thinking the tightest connection is the way 
to go.
What happens is the contact twists, and then instead of transferring the 
whole load only a portion of the load is transfered creating a weld.
Take apart the solenoid and you'll see what I am talking about. There is 
a disk that is spring loaded and is pulled down to  the lug (contact).
Twisting the lug slightly is enough to arc that spot and weld it. When 
the whole contact is made at the same time there is enough suface area 
to keep it from welding..

You have to keep lug from turning.

I meant to reply to the original about this.. but since you brought it 
up


sleep4 wrote:

I'm surprised at that many failures over that short period of time.
Something ain't right somewhere. I've never seen a failure of a cole
hersee solonoid with years of service on my winch. I'm sure you have
already, but I would check all the wiring and connections real
carefully.


  


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Re: [RCSE] Re: Re: HKM's High End"

[Bill's Email]

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I saw the one at this years Visalia.  I think I looked like any guy staring at 
the most beautifull girl in the world.


Wow. You definitely need to get out more often!!

I saw it as well. I think it would look great in orange!!!




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Re: [RCSE] Re: Re: HKM's High End"

[david . jensen]

I saw the one at this years Visalia.  I think I looked like any guy staring at 
the most beautifull girl in the world.


 -- Original message --
From: gliding Oz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Hi all
> I first saw her before she had a name, Holland Glide 2006. I was taken
> away by Dieter's build quality (this was the first one out of the mold)
> and also how sweet she looked (Yes I like the toothpick size fuse with
> wings look! She looked like she could hide amoung a flock of F3B birds)
> and how she flew(maybe it was just Dieter on the sticks).
> A couple of weeks later when I cought up with Dieter and Daniel in
> Munster and were given a fly of her and was very pleased with her
> performance.
> I just hope the that the builder (its not Dieter, I know that) can
> build them just as light and stiff as the model I saw.
> If they do, this will be one hot model!
> Cheers
> Thomas
> 
> 
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Fwd: [RCSE] 2.4 install problems

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mount it down so the you have maximum exposure through the  cutout on the 
bottom of the nose. Get a longer extension that will allow you to  place the 
remote 
up in the wing. You can break the lead with a Deans 3 Pin  Connector at the 
same place you have your wing harness connector. Put the Remote  aft in the 
Oracover section of the wing.  See if this helps out. With the  Taboo the 
whiskers is the only way unless you put the RX in the wing in the  Kevlar 
portion and 
run all you servos through a connector. 
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Re: [RCSE] 2.4 install problems

[Jay Hunter]

When you range test are the planes on the ground or on a table?  If they are
on the ground put them on a table and then do the range check.  The ground
causes terrible range checks.

Jay

On Dec 13, 2007 5:16 PM, Robert Samuels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> I bought a 2.4 9303 and installed an AR6200 in an Organic which has an all
> Kevlar nosecone.  But it does not work.  I put the main receiver in the nose
> with the antennas fore and aft and the remote receiver on the bottom of the
> fuse behind the tow hook with the antennas exiting the fuse through small
> holes so that the antennas were pointing left and right.   The range is
> lousy.
>
> I put an AR6100 in the nose of a DLG TabooGt (all carbon fuse) with the
> antennas sticking out the sides so it looks like a little catfish.  The
> range was poor.  So I extended the antennas by laying a piece of insulated
> wire along side the original antennas held with heat shrink so that the new
> wire was 31 mm longer than the original antennas.  This gave me decent range
> and I've flown it successfully.  But I don't like all that wire sticking out
> in the airflow.  I'd like a better arrangement but can not think of one.
>
> Does anyone know of any successful installations in these planes?   Or
> have suggestions?
>
> Thank you
>
> Robert Samuels  St. Louis
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[RCSE] 2.4 install problems

[Robert Samuels]

 
I bought a 2.4 9303 and
installed an AR6200 in an Organic which has an all Kevlar nosecone. 
But it does not work.  I put the main receiver in the nose with the
antennas fore and aft and the remote receiver on the bottom of the fuse
behind the tow hook with the antennas exiting the fuse through small holes so 
that the antennas were pointing
left and right.   The range is lousy.  

I put
an AR6100 in the nose of a DLG TabooGt (all carbon fuse) with the
antennas sticking out the sides so it looks like a little catfish.  The
range was poor.  So I extended the antennas by laying a piece of
insulated wire along side the original antennas held with heat shrink
so that the new wire was 31 mm longer than the original antennas.  This
gave me decent range and I've flown it successfully.  But I don't like
all that wire sticking out in the airflow.  I'd like a better
arrangement but can not think of one.  

Does anyone know of any
successful installations in these planes?   Or have suggestions? 
 
Thank you

Robert Samuels  St. Louis


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RE: [RCSE] Icon/High End

[Brian & Iva Smith]

Sorta like racing pigeons..   To be good homers they had to look "just so"  I 
won a bunch of races with some ugly birds, and the faster they came hope, the 
prettier they got.. My 2 cents about that  (grin)  Brian


Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:45:19 -0700From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [RCSE] 
Icon/High EndTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: soaring@airage.com
So here is my take on looks...
 
Form follows function.period.  The more you fly the gliders you like and 
identify the particular aspects of one vs. another design that you like and 
dislike, you tend to trend toward those favorable aspects.  You tend to see 
those aspects as right, correct, nice, pleasing, attractive, sexy,...um, well 
you get my point.  I should qualify that and say that this only applies if you 
care how it flies, and can really truly identify the aspects of a design that 
cause the favorable results.  I look at gliders the way the wind does up to a 
point.  I have aesthetic constraints that keep me wind guided eye from seeing 
the benefits of a pylon mounted wing for example, and sorry  Tom Kiesling but 
there is no way that I will ever think that the Mantis looks good even though 
it is truly form to function desgin.  My constraint circuits overloaded with 
that one... ;-)
 
Again, like the posts show, beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder.
 
Later.
 
Mike
 Original Message Subject: [RCSE] Icon/High EndFrom: "B. Chan" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Thu, December 13, 2007 9:48 amTo: Daryl Perkins 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "soaring" I know flying quality is 
important, but do they have to look so ugly?? they all look like toothpicks 
with wings. What happened to the looks like Graphite and such? Those are mush 
prettier planes. At least the Supra looks good.Can someone with "outside the 
box" thinking designs some better looking planes?Brian>You Icon drivers get so 
dern judgemental. If you saw both models up>close, there is no way a High End 
could be mistaken for an Icon - the>High End is pretty.>>I had the opportunity 
to fly the High End (Lousy name by the way), and>it flies quite nicely. I'm on 
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[RCSE] Re: Re: HKM's High End"

[gliding Oz]

Hi all
I first saw her before she had a name, Holland Glide 2006. I was taken
away by Dieter's build quality (this was the first one out of the mold)
and also how sweet she looked (Yes I like the toothpick size fuse with
wings look! She looked like she could hide amoung a flock of F3B birds)
and how she flew(maybe it was just Dieter on the sticks).
A couple of weeks later when I cought up with Dieter and Daniel in
Munster and were given a fly of her and was very pleased with her
performance.
I just hope the that the builder (its not Dieter, I know that) can
build them just as light and stiff as the model I saw.
If they do, this will be one hot model!
Cheers
Thomas


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[RCSE] Re: Fw: tangerine overall winner

[dfalcon]

pmackenzie Wrote: 
> bump  down ?:)

Yeah, please!

For some reason this has been stuck at the top of the list on my google
homepage rss feed for about 2 weeks now.


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Re: [RCSE] Best Soaring Calendar of All Time????

[Wwing]

In a message dated 12/13/2007 5:15:31 PM Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Click the link that follows for probably the most unique soaring 
calendar of all time.  Roller Derby and Sailplanes? Just in time for 
holidays, this is a limited print calendar that is sure to be a 
soaring collectors item in the future.  Unless they sell out of 
inventory, I doubt it will be repeated for 2009. To help the team, 
please order a few for your buddies as gifts! 

http://www.ocrollergirls.com/ 

Enjoy! 
HoUdino 
 
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Re: Fw: [RCSE] Soaring Masters 2008

[Wwing]

In a message dated 12/13/2007 3:11:11 PM Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Did I hear that this Masters event will include  a distance task and a speed 
task?  We have plenty of contest during the year where we just float around 
for 10 minutes.

Richard
 
 
I thought that was included in the last one. I remember seeing several planes 
go real far downwind, real fast. Didn't they win?
 
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[RCSE] Best Soaring Calendar of All Time????

[LarSwan]

Click the link that follows for probably the most unique  soaring 
calendar of all time.  Roller Derby and Sailplanes? Just in  time for 
holidays, this is a limited print calendar that is sure to be a  
soaring collectors item in the future.  Unless they sell out of  
inventory, I doubt it will be repeated for 2009. To help the team,  
please order a few for your buddies as gifts! 
_http://www.ocrollergirls.com/_ (http://www.ocrollergirls.com/)  
Enjoy!  
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RE: [RCSE] Icon/High End

[mark browning]

Jolly???


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [RCSE] Icon/High EndDate: Thu, 
13 Dec 2007 11:57:40 -0600



Sorta like racing Pigeons To be fast the pigeons had to look "just so"   But I 
won a lot of races with ugly pigeons, and the faster they came home, the 
prettier they became..  My 2 cents about looks of models.  (grin) Brian 
Smith

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: B. Chan 
Cc: soaring 
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:45 AM
Subject: RE: [RCSE] Icon/High End

So here is my take on looks...
 
Form follows function.period.  The more you fly the gliders you like and 
identify the particular aspects of one vs. another design that you like and 
dislike, you tend to trend toward those favorable aspects.  You tend to see 
those aspects as right, correct, nice, pleasing, attractive, sexy,...um, well 
you get my point.  I should qualify that and say that this only applies if you 
care how it flies, and can really truly identify the aspects of a design that 
cause the favorable results.  I look at gliders the way the wind does up to a 
point.  I have aesthetic constraints that keep me wind guided eye from seeing 
the benefits of a pylon mounted wing for example, and sorry  Tom Kiesling but 
there is no way that I will ever think that the Mantis looks good even though 
it is truly form to function desgin.  My constraint circuits overloaded with 
that one... ;-)
 
Again, like the posts show, beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder.
 
Later.
 
Mike
 Original Message Subject: [RCSE] Icon/High EndFrom: "B. Chan" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Thu, December 13, 2007 9:48 amTo: Daryl Perkins 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "soaring" I know flying quality is 
important, but do they have to look so ugly?? they all look like toothpicks 
with wings. What happened to the looks like Graphite and such? Those are mush 
prettier planes. At least the Supra looks good.Can someone with "outside the 
box" thinking designs some better looking planes?Brian>You Icon drivers get so 
dern judgemental. If you saw both models up>close, there is no way a High End 
could be mistaken for an Icon - the>High End is pretty.>>I had the opportunity 
to fly the High End (Lousy name by the way), and>it flies quite nicely. I'm on 
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[RCSE] Soaring Masters 2008- MOM

[davidhauch]

better yet.

you could run two standard winches with handsfree retrievers.

you could put two new guys on the course as soon as other two finished.

how fun would this be after a day of flying at the Nats. or Soar Masters.
you could throw a quarter in a can for each run you take, come
up with some way to bracket and score, and winner gets the can of $.

Jack, i'll run you for pink slips.  :-)

Dave Hauch
www.rc-builds.com

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jack Strother" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Richard Burnoski" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'RCSE'" 

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [RCSE] Soaring Masters 2008



I think a cool MOM speed task would be, have two guys launch at
the same time to the horn, one on the left course, the other on the right 
course.


run the standard f3b 4 legs, and first one crosses the line wins,
just like drag racing.

you could do 6 legs with f3j planes to keep the speeds down.

Dave Hauch
www.rc-builds.com



Yea,
That would be tits !!
a MOM distance task and
a MOM speed task

That will seperate the boys from the heavy testicles

seg !!
J
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LSF 2948
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-- Original message --
From: "Richard Burnoski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

John,
Have you put in your order for heavy winds and lots of sink?
T

I second that request.   You can make it a flying contest instead of a
landing contest .

Did I hear that this Masters event will include  a distance task and a 
speed
task?  We have plenty of contest during the year where we just float 
around

for 10 minutes.

  Richard

- Original Message - 
From: "TJB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "John Diniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Soaring Masters 2008


> John,
> Have you put in your order for heavy winds and lots of sink?
> T
> - Original Message - 
> From: "John Diniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:04 AM
> Subject: [RCSE] Soaring Masters 2008
>
>
> All,
>
> Since LJ brought it up please mark your calendar for Sept 18-21, 2008 
> for

> the 2nd World Soaring Masters. It is on the official IAC calendar.
> http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/nats/Calendar/wc092008.htm
> Setup/practice day is the 18th and the MOM starts on Friday morning.
> Sunday morning wraps up the MOM with the fly-offs for the cash 
> beginning

> around lunch time.
>
> We are still in the early planning stages for the '08 event, but in
> addition to the top spot payouts Horizon Hobby will be offering a 
> mid-pack

> fly-off for Big $'s (amount TBD).
>
> So get ready because this will be bigger then the '06 event.
>
> DVDe's,
> JD
>
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:10 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com
> Subject: [RCSE] Re: Masters Tournament
>
> JoJo,
> My friend, you know We always look forward to flying with you. But, 
> before
> you commit for the Nationals, Why not consider waiting until September 
> for
> the Masters Tournament. Then if you have time to take the long way 
> home,
> come hang out at my place in Southern California. Merry Christmas to 
> you

> and Fred, Hilsen Larry
> Wow stop the press. What way is Norway again? West-downunder or ontop? 
> If

> I
> go straight line it might happen in 8 hours I think...
> This year the schedule is perfect for me since it is not at WC time...
> And finally I am on the same frequencies
>
> Hilsen (regards) Jo Grini
> ---that contributed to Ben un--subscribing
> Gamleveien
> 2910 Aurdal
> Norway
> mob +47 90898709
> www.jojoen.no
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:00:30 -0600
> From: "John Diniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Bill's Email" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> 
> Subject: RE: [RCSE] 2008 Nats Schedule
> Message-ID:
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Again this Nat's thing is being held in the MID-WEST!!! Gosh 
> Dernnit
> I ain't gonna fly it until it's on the west coast. You know some of 
> the

> best flyers are on the west coast so it really isn't a true National
> Championship unless it's on the west coast.
>
> Wait.. I live 3 hrs from the Nat's...
>
> Please disregard my previous statement.
> JD
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Re: Fw: [RCSE] Soaring Masters 2008

[Jack Strother]

Thats the tIcket !!


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 -- Original message --
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I think a cool MOM speed task would be, have two guys launch at
> the same time to the horn, one on the left course, the other on the right 
> course.
> 
> run the standard f3b 4 legs, and first one crosses the line wins,
> just like drag racing.
> 
> you could do 6 legs with f3j planes to keep the speeds down.
> 
> Dave Hauch
> www.rc-builds.com
> 
> 
> > Yea,
> > That would be tits !!
> > a MOM distance task and
> > a MOM speed task
> >
> > That will seperate the boys from the heavy testicles
> >
> > seg !!
> > J
> > --
> > Jack Strother
> > Granger, IN
> >
> > LSF 2948
> > LSF Level V  #117
> > LSF Official 1996 - 2004
> > CSS Gold
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Original message --
> > From: "Richard Burnoski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> John,
> >> Have you put in your order for heavy winds and lots of sink?
> >> T
> >>
> >> I second that request.   You can make it a flying contest instead of a
> >> landing contest .
> >>
> >> Did I hear that this Masters event will include  a distance task and a 
> >> speed
> >> task?  We have plenty of contest during the year where we just float 
> >> around
> >> for 10 minutes.
> >>
> >>   Richard
> >>
> >> - Original Message - 
> >> From: "TJB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "John Diniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
> >> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:27 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [RCSE] Soaring Masters 2008
> >>
> >>
> >> > John,
> >> > Have you put in your order for heavy winds and lots of sink?
> >> > T
> >> > - Original Message - 
> >> > From: "John Diniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
> >> > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:04 AM
> >> > Subject: [RCSE] Soaring Masters 2008
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > All,
> >> >
> >> > Since LJ brought it up please mark your calendar for Sept 18-21, 2008 
> >> > for
> >> > the 2nd World Soaring Masters. It is on the official IAC calendar.
> >> > http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/nats/Calendar/wc092008.htm
> >> > Setup/practice day is the 18th and the MOM starts on Friday morning.
> >> > Sunday morning wraps up the MOM with the fly-offs for the cash 
> >> > beginning
> >> > around lunch time.
> >> >
> >> > We are still in the early planning stages for the '08 event, but in
> >> > addition to the top spot payouts Horizon Hobby will be offering a 
> >> > mid-pack
> >> > fly-off for Big $'s (amount TBD).
> >> >
> >> > So get ready because this will be bigger then the '06 event.
> >> >
> >> > DVDe's,
> >> > JD
> >> >
> >> > 
> >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:10 AM
> >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com
> >> > Subject: [RCSE] Re: Masters Tournament
> >> >
> >> > JoJo,
> >> > My friend, you know We always look forward to flying with you. But, 
> >> > before
> >> > you commit for the Nationals, Why not consider waiting until September 
> >> > for
> >> > the Masters Tournament. Then if you have time to take the long way 
> >> > home,
> >> > come hang out at my place in Southern California. Merry Christmas to 
> >> > you
> >> > and Fred, Hilsen Larry
> >> > Wow stop the press. What way is Norway again? West-downunder or ontop? 
> >> > If
> >> > I
> >> > go straight line it might happen in 8 hours I think...
> >> > This year the schedule is perfect for me since it is not at WC time...
> >> > And finally I am on the same frequencies
> >> >
> >> > Hilsen (regards) Jo Grini
> >> > ---that contributed to Ben un--subscribing
> >> > Gamleveien
> >> > 2910 Aurdal
> >> > Norway
> >> > mob +47 90898709
> >> > www.jojoen.no
> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >
> >> > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:00:30 -0600
> >> > From: "John Diniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > To: "Bill's Email" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> > 
> >> > Subject: RE: [RCSE] 2008 Nats Schedule
> >> > Message-ID:
> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >
> >> > Again this Nat's thing is being held in the MID-WEST!!! Gosh 
> >> > Dernnit
> >> > I ain't gonna fly it until it's on the west coast. You know some of the
> >> > best flyers are on the west coast so it really isn't a true National
> >> > Championship unless it's on the west coast.
> >> >
> >> > Wait.. I live 3 hrs from the Nat's...
> >> >
> >> > Please disregard my previous statement.
> >> > JD
> >> >
> >> > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" 
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Re: Fw: [RCSE] Soaring Masters 2008

[davidhauch]

I think a cool MOM speed task would be, have two guys launch at
the same time to the horn, one on the left course, the other on the right 
course.


run the standard f3b 4 legs, and first one crosses the line wins,
just like drag racing.

you could do 6 legs with f3j planes to keep the speeds down.

Dave Hauch
www.rc-builds.com



Yea,
That would be tits !!
a MOM distance task and
a MOM speed task

That will seperate the boys from the heavy testicles

seg !!
J
--
Jack Strother
Granger, IN

LSF 2948
LSF Level V  #117
LSF Official 1996 - 2004
CSS Gold



-- Original message --
From: "Richard Burnoski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

John,
Have you put in your order for heavy winds and lots of sink?
T

I second that request.   You can make it a flying contest instead of a
landing contest .

Did I hear that this Masters event will include  a distance task and a 
speed
task?  We have plenty of contest during the year where we just float 
around

for 10 minutes.

  Richard

- Original Message - 
From: "TJB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "John Diniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Soaring Masters 2008


> John,
> Have you put in your order for heavy winds and lots of sink?
> T
> - Original Message - 
> From: "John Diniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:04 AM
> Subject: [RCSE] Soaring Masters 2008
>
>
> All,
>
> Since LJ brought it up please mark your calendar for Sept 18-21, 2008 
> for

> the 2nd World Soaring Masters. It is on the official IAC calendar.
> http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/nats/Calendar/wc092008.htm
> Setup/practice day is the 18th and the MOM starts on Friday morning.
> Sunday morning wraps up the MOM with the fly-offs for the cash 
> beginning

> around lunch time.
>
> We are still in the early planning stages for the '08 event, but in
> addition to the top spot payouts Horizon Hobby will be offering a 
> mid-pack

> fly-off for Big $'s (amount TBD).
>
> So get ready because this will be bigger then the '06 event.
>
> DVDe's,
> JD
>
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:10 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com
> Subject: [RCSE] Re: Masters Tournament
>
> JoJo,
> My friend, you know We always look forward to flying with you. But, 
> before
> you commit for the Nationals, Why not consider waiting until September 
> for
> the Masters Tournament. Then if you have time to take the long way 
> home,
> come hang out at my place in Southern California. Merry Christmas to 
> you

> and Fred, Hilsen Larry
> Wow stop the press. What way is Norway again? West-downunder or ontop? 
> If

> I
> go straight line it might happen in 8 hours I think...
> This year the schedule is perfect for me since it is not at WC time...
> And finally I am on the same frequencies
>
> Hilsen (regards) Jo Grini
> ---that contributed to Ben un--subscribing
> Gamleveien
> 2910 Aurdal
> Norway
> mob +47 90898709
> www.jojoen.no
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:00:30 -0600
> From: "John Diniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Bill's Email" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> 
> Subject: RE: [RCSE] 2008 Nats Schedule
> Message-ID:
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Again this Nat's thing is being held in the MID-WEST!!! Gosh 
> Dernnit

> I ain't gonna fly it until it's on the west coast. You know some of the
> best flyers are on the west coast so it really isn't a true National
> Championship unless it's on the west coast.
>
> Wait.. I live 3 hrs from the Nat's...
>
> Please disregard my previous statement.
> JD
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Re: [RCSE] Soaring Masters 2008

[Mike Lachowski]

I had mine with me

John Diniz wrote:

Weather order has been placed!!!

The one thing everyone was saying after the last WSM contest was, "I
wish I'd brought my F3B ship.".

  


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RE: [RCSE] Soaring Masters 2008

[John Diniz]

Weather order has been placed!!!

The one thing everyone was saying after the last WSM contest was, "I
wish I'd brought my F3B ship.".

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 3:36 PM
To: Richard Burnoski
Cc: RCSE
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Soaring Masters 2008

Maybe distance and speed could be an evening task set?  Oh, that sounds
fun!

Looking forward to a great soaring contest in September.  I am sure that
some will view this as just some east coast contest too, eh Chris?

Proud of the great soaring events held in the Ohio Valley!

Marc
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Re: [RCSE] Soaring Masters 2008

[Marc Gellart]

Maybe distance and speed could be an evening task set?  Oh, that sounds fun!

Looking forward to a great soaring contest in September.  I am sure that some 
will view this as just some east coast contest too, eh Chris?

Proud of the great soaring events held in the Ohio Valley!

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Re: Fw: [RCSE] Soaring Masters 2008

[Jack Strother]

Yea,
That would be tits !!
a MOM distance task and 
a MOM speed task

That will seperate the boys from the heavy testicles

seg !!
J
--
Jack Strother   
Granger, IN 

LSF 2948
LSF Level V  #117
LSF Official 1996 - 2004
CSS Gold



 -- Original message --
From: "Richard Burnoski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> John,
> Have you put in your order for heavy winds and lots of sink?
> T
> 
> I second that request.   You can make it a flying contest instead of a 
> landing contest .
> 
> Did I hear that this Masters event will include  a distance task and a speed 
> task?  We have plenty of contest during the year where we just float around 
> for 10 minutes.
> 
>   Richard
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "TJB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "John Diniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [RCSE] Soaring Masters 2008
> 
> 
> > John,
> > Have you put in your order for heavy winds and lots of sink?
> > T
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "John Diniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
> > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:04 AM
> > Subject: [RCSE] Soaring Masters 2008
> >
> >
> > All,
> >
> > Since LJ brought it up please mark your calendar for Sept 18-21, 2008 for 
> > the 2nd World Soaring Masters. It is on the official IAC calendar.
> > http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/nats/Calendar/wc092008.htm
> > Setup/practice day is the 18th and the MOM starts on Friday morning. 
> > Sunday morning wraps up the MOM with the fly-offs for the cash beginning 
> > around lunch time.
> >
> > We are still in the early planning stages for the '08 event, but in 
> > addition to the top spot payouts Horizon Hobby will be offering a mid-pack 
> > fly-off for Big $'s (amount TBD).
> >
> > So get ready because this will be bigger then the '06 event.
> >
> > DVDe's,
> > JD
> >
> > 
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:10 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com
> > Subject: [RCSE] Re: Masters Tournament
> >
> > JoJo,
> > My friend, you know We always look forward to flying with you. But, before 
> > you commit for the Nationals, Why not consider waiting until September for 
> > the Masters Tournament. Then if you have time to take the long way home, 
> > come hang out at my place in Southern California. Merry Christmas to you 
> > and Fred, Hilsen Larry
> > Wow stop the press. What way is Norway again? West-downunder or ontop? If 
> > I
> > go straight line it might happen in 8 hours I think...
> > This year the schedule is perfect for me since it is not at WC time...
> > And finally I am on the same frequencies
> >
> > Hilsen (regards) Jo Grini
> > ---that contributed to Ben un--subscribing
> > Gamleveien
> > 2910 Aurdal
> > Norway
> > mob +47 90898709
> > www.jojoen.no
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:00:30 -0600
> > From: "John Diniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Bill's Email" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > 
> > Subject: RE: [RCSE] 2008 Nats Schedule
> > Message-ID:
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > Again this Nat's thing is being held in the MID-WEST!!! Gosh Dernnit
> > I ain't gonna fly it until it's on the west coast. You know some of the
> > best flyers are on the west coast so it really isn't a true National
> > Championship unless it's on the west coast.
> >
> > Wait.. I live 3 hrs from the Nat's...
> >
> > Please disregard my previous statement.
> > JD
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Fw: [RCSE] Soaring Masters 2008

[Richard Burnoski]

John,
Have you put in your order for heavy winds and lots of sink?
T

I second that request.   You can make it a flying contest instead of a 
landing contest .


Did I hear that this Masters event will include  a distance task and a speed 
task?  We have plenty of contest during the year where we just float around 
for 10 minutes.


 Richard

- Original Message - 
From: "TJB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "John Diniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Soaring Masters 2008



John,
Have you put in your order for heavy winds and lots of sink?
T
- Original Message - 
From: "John Diniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:04 AM
Subject: [RCSE] Soaring Masters 2008


All,

Since LJ brought it up please mark your calendar for Sept 18-21, 2008 for 
the 2nd World Soaring Masters. It is on the official IAC calendar.

http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/nats/Calendar/wc092008.htm
Setup/practice day is the 18th and the MOM starts on Friday morning. 
Sunday morning wraps up the MOM with the fly-offs for the cash beginning 
around lunch time.


We are still in the early planning stages for the '08 event, but in 
addition to the top spot payouts Horizon Hobby will be offering a mid-pack 
fly-off for Big $'s (amount TBD).


So get ready because this will be bigger then the '06 event.

DVDe's,
JD


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:10 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com
Subject: [RCSE] Re: Masters Tournament

JoJo,
My friend, you know We always look forward to flying with you. But, before 
you commit for the Nationals, Why not consider waiting until September for 
the Masters Tournament. Then if you have time to take the long way home, 
come hang out at my place in Southern California. Merry Christmas to you 
and Fred, Hilsen Larry
Wow stop the press. What way is Norway again? West-downunder or ontop? If 
I

go straight line it might happen in 8 hours I think...
This year the schedule is perfect for me since it is not at WC time...
And finally I am on the same frequencies

Hilsen (regards) Jo Grini
---that contributed to Ben un--subscribing
Gamleveien
2910 Aurdal
Norway
mob +47 90898709
www.jojoen.no
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:00:30 -0600
From: "John Diniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Bill's Email" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,

Subject: RE: [RCSE] 2008 Nats Schedule
Message-ID:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Again this Nat's thing is being held in the MID-WEST!!! Gosh Dernnit
I ain't gonna fly it until it's on the west coast. You know some of the
best flyers are on the west coast so it really isn't a true National
Championship unless it's on the west coast.

Wait.. I live 3 hrs from the Nat's...

Please disregard my previous statement.
JD

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Re: [RCSE] Soaring Masters 2008

[TJB]

John,
Have you put in your order for heavy winds and lots of sink?
T
- Original Message - 
From: "John Diniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:04 AM
Subject: [RCSE] Soaring Masters 2008


All,

Since LJ brought it up please mark your calendar for Sept 18-21, 2008 for 
the 2nd World Soaring Masters. It is on the official IAC calendar.

http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/nats/Calendar/wc092008.htm
Setup/practice day is the 18th and the MOM starts on Friday morning. Sunday 
morning wraps up the MOM with the fly-offs for the cash beginning around 
lunch time.


We are still in the early planning stages for the '08 event, but in addition 
to the top spot payouts Horizon Hobby will be offering a mid-pack fly-off 
for Big $'s (amount TBD).


So get ready because this will be bigger then the '06 event.

DVDe's,
JD


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:10 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com
Subject: [RCSE] Re: Masters Tournament

JoJo,
My friend, you know We always look forward to flying with you. But, before 
you commit for the Nationals, Why not consider waiting until September for 
the Masters Tournament. Then if you have time to take the long way home, 
come hang out at my place in Southern California. Merry Christmas to you and 
Fred, Hilsen Larry

Wow stop the press. What way is Norway again? West-downunder or ontop? If I
go straight line it might happen in 8 hours I think...
This year the schedule is perfect for me since it is not at WC time...
And finally I am on the same frequencies

Hilsen (regards) Jo Grini
---that contributed to Ben un--subscribing
Gamleveien
2910 Aurdal
Norway
mob +47 90898709
www.jojoen.no
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:00:30 -0600
From: "John Diniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Bill's Email" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,

Subject: RE: [RCSE] 2008 Nats Schedule
Message-ID:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Again this Nat's thing is being held in the MID-WEST!!! Gosh Dernnit
I ain't gonna fly it until it's on the west coast. You know some of the
best flyers are on the west coast so it really isn't a true National
Championship unless it's on the west coast.

Wait.. I live 3 hrs from the Nat's...

Please disregard my previous statement.
JD

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Re: [RCSE] Icon/High End

[davidhauch]

dang!  he is alive!  :-)

Dave Hauch
www.rc-builds.com



Did someone mention an ICON?  ;-)


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[Joe Rodriguez]

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FOR SALE is a FUTABA 9Z HAM TX Module on 03 almost new

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Re: [RCSE] Icon/High End

[James V. Bacus]

Did someone mention an ICON?  ;-)


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Re: [RCSE] Icon/High End

[B. Chan]

At 12:52 PM -0500 12/13/07, Mike Lachowski wrote:

Beauty is in the thermal.. The sailplane just give you a way to see it.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Again, like the posts show, beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder.




If I can see thermal, I don't need the pretty plane.

So I need a pretty looking plane to see the  pretty thermal, like my 
seeing eye dog!


Brian

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Re: [RCSE] Icon/High End

[Chuck Anderson]

AS my friend said when I called his Sailaire ugly,  "They are all 
pretty when specked out".  But that was back in the day when soaring 
was the objective.  :)


Chuck Anderson


At 10:04 AM 12/13/2007, you wrote:
Mr. Perkins' comment, "the High End is pretty", only proves the old 
adage, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".  It's pretty much 
common knowledge that the days of "beautiful" sailplanes ended with 
the last Dodgson design.

   Jim Deck


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RE: [RCSE] Icon/High End

[mike]

very Zen brother Lachowski very Zen indeed.
 
M
 Original Message Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon/High EndFrom: Mike Lachowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Thu, December 13, 2007 10:52 amTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: "B. Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, soaring Beauty is in the thermal.. The sailplane just give you a way to see it.mike@themapsmith.com wrote:> Again, like the posts show, beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder.> 
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Re: [RCSE] Icon/High End

[Brian Smith]

Sorta like racing Pigeons
 To be fast the pigeons had to look "just so"  
 But I won a lot of races with ugly pigeons, and the faster they came home, the 
prettier they became..  
My 2 cents about looks of models.  (grin) Brian Smith
  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: B. Chan 
  Cc: soaring 
  Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:45 AM
  Subject: RE: [RCSE] Icon/High End


  So here is my take on looks...

  Form follows function.period.  The more you fly the gliders you like and 
identify the particular aspects of one vs. another design that you like and 
dislike, you tend to trend toward those favorable aspects.  You tend to see 
those aspects as right, correct, nice, pleasing, attractive, sexy,...um, well 
you get my point.  I should qualify that and say that this only applies if you 
care how it flies, and can really truly identify the aspects of a design that 
cause the favorable results.  I look at gliders the way the wind does up to a 
point.  I have aesthetic constraints that keep me wind guided eye from seeing 
the benefits of a pylon mounted wing for example, and sorry  Tom Kiesling but 
there is no way that I will ever think that the Mantis looks good even though 
it is truly form to function desgin.  My constraint circuits overloaded with 
that one... ;-)

  Again, like the posts show, beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder.

  Later.

  Mike


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Subject: [RCSE] Icon/High End
From: "B. Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, December 13, 2007 9:48 am
To: Daryl Perkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "soaring" 

I know flying quality is important, but do they have to look so 
ugly?? they all look like toothpicks with wings. What happened to the 
looks like Graphite and such? Those are mush prettier planes. At 
least the Supra looks good.

Can someone with "outside the box" thinking designs some better looking 
planes?

Brian

>You Icon drivers get so dern judgemental. If you saw both models up
>close, there is no way a High End could be mistaken for an Icon - the
>High End is pretty.
>
>I had the opportunity to fly the High End (Lousy name by the way), and
>it flies quite nicely. I'm on the list. But then, I'm on a lot of
>lists... ;-)
>
D


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Re: [RCSE] Icon/High End

[Mike Lachowski]

Beauty is in the thermal.. The sailplane just give you a way to see it.


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RE: [RCSE] Icon/High End

[mike]

So here is my take on looks...
 
Form follows function.period.  The more you fly the gliders you like and identify the particular aspects of one vs. another design that you like and dislike, you tend to trend toward those favorable aspects.  You tend to see those aspects as right, correct, nice, pleasing, attractive, sexy,...um, well you get my point.  I should qualify that and say that this only applies if you care how it flies, and can really truly identify the aspects of a design that cause the favorable results.  I look at gliders the way the wind does up to a point.  I have aesthetic constraints that keep me wind guided eye from seeing the benefits of a pylon mounted wing for example, and sorry  Tom Kiesling but there is no way that I will ever think that the Mantis looks good even though it is truly form to function desgin.  My constraint circuits overloaded with that one... ;-)
 
Again, like the posts show, beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder.
 
Later.
 
Mike
 Original Message Subject: [RCSE] Icon/High EndFrom: "B. Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Thu, December 13, 2007 9:48 amTo: Daryl Perkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "soaring" I know flying quality is important, but do they have to look so ugly?? they all look like toothpicks with wings. What happened to the looks like Graphite and such? Those are mush prettier planes. At least the Supra looks good.Can someone with "outside the box" thinking designs some better looking planes?Brian>You Icon drivers get so dern judgemental. If you saw both models up>close, there is no way a High End could be mistaken for an Icon - the>High End is pretty.>>I had the opportunity to fly the High End (Lousy name by the way), and>it flies quite nicely. I'm on the list. But then, I'm on a lot of>lists... ;-)>DRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to soaring-request@airage.com. Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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[RCSE] Icon/High End

[B. Chan]

I know flying quality is important, but do they have to look so 
ugly?? they all look like toothpicks with wings. What happened to the 
looks like Graphite and such? Those are mush prettier planes. At 
least the Supra looks good.


Can someone with "outside the box" thinking designs some better looking planes?

Brian


You Icon drivers get so dern judgemental. If you saw both models up
close, there is no way a High End could be mistaken for an Icon - the
High End is pretty.

I had the opportunity to fly the High End (Lousy name by the way), and
it flies quite nicely. I'm on the list. But then, I'm on a lot of
lists... ;-)


D


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Re: [RCSE] Icon/High End

[Joe Rodriguez]

that the days of "beautiful" sailplanes ended with the last Dodgson design.

That Taco Fuselage ?,, yuck give me a lot of extra hot sauce to hide the 
taste !!!

smokinjoe

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim Deck 
  To: soaring@airage.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:04 AM
  Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon/High End


  Mr. Perkins' comment, "the High End is pretty", only proves the old adage, 
  "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".  It's pretty much common knowledge 
  that the days of "beautiful" sailplanes ended with the last Dodgson design.
  Jim Deck 

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[RCSE] 2008 Nats Dates/Schedule (R/C Soaring & R/C Electric)

[AJ Bhatta]

Jack: 

The numbers on 2 meter and RES have been kind of close
for the past 2-3 years. I think maybe RES had a slight
edge last year.
AJ 
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> Odd to me that there are 2 days of 2-meter and only
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> thinking out loud,
> since I'm thinking of going.
> 
> JW
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[RCSE] Solenoid Failure

[George]

Our club has 3 winches and I have 2.  All have double Cole Hersee solenoids. 
All the failures have occurred in the last 4 that we have purchased in the 
last year.  So far all the replacement solenoids have functioned properly. 
I'm wondering if there is a quality control problem.




I'm surprised at that many failures over that short period of time.
Something ain't right somewhere. I've never seen a failure of a cole
hersee solonoid with years of service on my winch. I'm sure you have
already, but I would check all the wiring and connections real
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Re: [RCSE] Icon/High End

[Jim Deck]

Mr. Perkins' comment, "the High End is pretty", only proves the old adage, 
"beauty is in the eye of the beholder".  It's pretty much common knowledge 
that the days of "beautiful" sailplanes ended with the last Dodgson design.
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[RCSE] Soaring Masters 2008

[John Diniz]

All,

Since LJ brought it up please mark your calendar for Sept 18-21, 2008 for the 
2nd World Soaring Masters. It is on the official IAC calendar.
http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/nats/Calendar/wc092008.htm 
Setup/practice day is the 18th and the MOM starts on Friday morning. Sunday 
morning wraps up the MOM with the fly-offs for the cash beginning around lunch 
time.

We are still in the early planning stages for the '08 event, but in addition to 
the top spot payouts Horizon Hobby will be offering a mid-pack fly-off for Big 
$'s (amount TBD). 

So get ready because this will be bigger then the '06 event.

DVDe's,
JD


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Subject: [RCSE] Re: Masters Tournament

JoJo,
 My friend, you know We always look forward to flying with you. But, before you 
commit for the Nationals, Why not consider waiting until September for the 
Masters Tournament. Then if you have time to take the long way home, come hang 
out at my place in Southern California. Merry Christmas to you and Fred, Hilsen 
Larry
Wow stop the press. What way is Norway again? West-downunder or ontop? If I 
go straight line it might happen in 8 hours I think...
This year the schedule is perfect for me since it is not at WC time...
And finally I am on the same frequencies

Hilsen (regards) Jo Grini
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Gamleveien
2910 Aurdal
Norway
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:00:30 -0600
From: "John Diniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Bill's Email" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,

Subject: RE: [RCSE] 2008 Nats Schedule
Message-ID: 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Again this Nat's thing is being held in the MID-WEST!!! Gosh Dernnit
I ain't gonna fly it until it's on the west coast. You know some of the
best flyers are on the west coast so it really isn't a true National
Championship unless it's on the west coast.

Wait.. I live 3 hrs from the Nat's...

Please disregard my previous statement.
JD 

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[RCSE] Icon/High End

[Daryl Perkins]

You Icon drivers get so dern judgemental. If you saw both models up
close, there is no way a High End could be mistaken for an Icon - the
High End is pretty. 

I had the opportunity to fly the High End (Lousy name by the way), and
it flies quite nicely. I'm on the list. But then, I'm on a lot of
lists... ;-)


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[RCSE] Re: Masters Tournament

[LJolly]

 
JoJo,
 My friend, you know We always look forward to flying with you. But,  before 
you commit for the Nationals, Why not consider waiting until September  for 
the Masters Tournament. Then if you have time to take the long way  home, come 
hang out at my place in Southern California. Merry Christmas to you  and Fred, 
Hilsen Larry

Wow stop  the press. What way is Norway again? West-downunder or ontop? If I 
go  straight line it might happen in 8 hours I think...
This year the schedule  is perfect for me since it is not at WC time...
And finally I am on the  same frequencies

Hilsen (regards) Jo Grini
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Norway
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www.jojoen.no
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Subject: RE: [RCSE]  2008 Nats Schedule
Message-ID:  
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Again  this Nat's thing is being held in the MID-WEST!!! Gosh Dernnit
I ain't  gonna fly it until it's on the west coast. You know some of the
best flyers  are on the west coast so it really isn't a true National
Championship  unless it's on the west coast.

Wait.. I live 3 hrs from the  Nat's...

Please disregard my previous statement.
JD  

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[RCSE] Re: "It ain't about the Nats, or 2m, but it is interesting reading...HKM's High End"

[schrederman]

I'm on the list for a new High End... and  don't impress that easily.
Ask Gordy. I ain't impressed with him at all... Just kidding of course.
Stay away from that goat cheese, Gordy!

Jack


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[RCSE] Re: 2008 Nats Schedule

[Robglover]

Now this is some great news. I'm now looking forward to seeing Jo in
addition to the rest of you guys. 

And for the record, I really don't care how the schedule is arranged.
I'll find something to fly every day, in whatever order necessary. My
only problem is deciding which event to fly when there are 2 being run
at the same time. If we had a few more days I could fly them all.

Bubba


Jo Grini Wrote: 
> Wow stop the press. What way is Norway again? West-downunder or ontop?
> If I 
> go straight line it might happen in 8 hours I think...
> This year the schedule is perfect for me since it is not at WC time...
> And finally I am on the same frequencies
> 
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[RCSE] Re: 2008 Nats Dates/Schedule (R/C Soaring & R/C Electric)

[schrederman]

Odd to me that there are 2 days of 2-meter and only 1 day of RES. I
would think RES would have more contestants. Just thinking out loud,
since I'm thinking of going.

JW


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[RCSE] Re: 2008 Nats Schedule

[schrederman]

Did Gordy MOON somebody?


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[RCSE] (Re) Winch Solenoid

[Albert E. Wedworth]

Hi George
I have had the same solenoid for over 8 years with out all the fancy lights & 
buzzer And NEVER had a problem.

Maybe you should get away from all the bells & whistles and Double solenoids 
and go with just One Solenoid it just might be the trick.
Simple is better & cheaper.
Merry Christmas
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[RCSE] Re: Solenoid Failure

[sleep4]

I'm surprised at that many failures over that short period of time.
Something ain't right somewhere. I've never seen a failure of a cole
hersee solonoid with years of service on my winch. I'm sure you have
already, but I would check all the wiring and connections real
carefully.


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Re: [RCSE] Nats Scedule..... Who cares?

[Mike Lachowski]

What west coast event can you go to so that you can fly 8 days of 
sailplane events and flights over 10 minutes?


Craig Allen wrote:

Nats ??? Is that that little East Coast contest you guys have every year? But 
always complain about schedules and events?

Out West we have Viselia, IHLGF, Southwest Classic, Fresno Classic and on and 
on And we fly 12 months out of the year :-)

So if your bragging about being 3 hours away from the Nats!!! More power to ya 
:-

Enjoy your build season :-)

Craig

  


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Re: [RCSE] Re: HKM's High End"

[John Erickson]

Mike,

I¹m sure you¹re seeing ³big² differences, but at first glance I also thought
about the Icon.

High End

Span:  133.8²
Area:  1,109 in2
Foil:  8.4%/2.3%
Weight:  72.3 oz
Wing loading:  9.38

Icon

Span:  130²
Area:  1,150 in2
Foil:  8.98%/2.25%
Weight:  76 oz
Wing loading:  9.5

I think the High End is optimized towards what you are looking for in an F3J
plane, but I don¹t see the Icon as far away in comparison.  Let¹s just call
them aerial cousins.  They both can get the job done.

JE
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:24:43 -0700
To: Doug Barry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: soaring@airage.com
Subject: RE: [RCSE] Re: HKM's High End"

Hey Doug, mmm, the High End is so NOT and ICON.
 
When I first saw a photo of the High End, I had no idea who designed it or
where it came from, but, I recognized something in the design.  I studied
those pictures carefully, because I knew that the designer was someone I was
very familiar with.  I mean those little up-swept tips, the bullet skinny
fuse, the functionally beautiful design, and the shape of the wing planform
all spoke to me.  Then it hit meDieter Perlick!  This must be Dieter's
new F3J model! WOW, COOL!  Because, Dieter designs gliders the way I wish I
could, and executes his designs even better than I wish I could.  And
because I flew Dieter's Altus' in the F3B Team Selects, then the F3B World
Champs.  So, you might be able to tell that I am a little fired up about
this model, and can't wait to get mine.
 
So, taking nothing away from the venerable ICON, I just can't see how you
could use it in your comparison to the High End.   They don't look anything
alike.  I can guarantee you that Dieter did not glance at the ICON for
inspiration in approaching the High End design.  To me, he answered my
dreamsStretch out an Altus.  But he opted for a more practical tail, as
I would have chosen to stay with the Altus T tail.
 
Happy Holidays
 
Mike Smith

>  Original Message 
> Subject: [RCSE] Re: HKM's High End"
> From: Doug Barry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed, December 12, 2007 2:00 pm
> To: soaring@airage.com
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> HKM High End  finally the Europeans can fly an ICON and not have to give
> credit to Joe Wurts.
> 
> Doug Barry
> Richmond VA
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> At 01:21 PM 12/12/2007, you wrote:
>> http://www.hkm-models.com/High%20End.htm
>> 
>> Take a few minutes to read the thought process behind this ships development,
>> it will give you a lot of insight into the process of investing the time and
>> money it takes to create a mold.  Thousands of bucks for the mold and a lot
>> of machine work and hand polishing, so not something to decide on casually.
>>  
>> Gordy
>> Still in Greece :-(
>> 
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