[RCSE] AMA Renewal
Just a reminder for the first weekend of the year, renew your AMA. Happy New Years fellow Pilots, David Klein -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego
[RCSE] Forget your LSF Number?
If you've forgotten your LSF number which is required to vote in the LSF President runoff, you can save a bit of time by e-mailing me ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) as I now have the LSF database and can quickly get your number. I don't have the whole LSF "office" yet but can handle these inquiries. Jim Deck Secretary, LSF
[RCSE] Rick Walters , White Trash, And Handlaunch
If you go back 35 years their was a kid in San Jose named Rick Walters who designed a few gliders including the White Trash... Plans were published in Model Builder. But not the Secret airfoil Rick was the Very First to hand launch that I know of even before Dave Thornberg Use to piss us all off that he could hand launch into a thermal every time Just think of that Joe guy, but 30 years ago :- Craig.. Still have my White Trash :-)
[RCSE] Re: Gordys behind the times :-) LoL
Gordy you are not that dumb Someone already beat you too it Someone at the IHLGF ( Don;t remember who.. Anybody?) had a 3m discus launch glider... Thermaled for hours on cow farts So 20 min would be no problem :-) Craig... 2 funerals in two days :-( [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow Jack , You are really on to it with this shortening lines thing ! I sat around for quite a few minutes before I thought of something even dumber ...but I managed! :-) I'm thinking with us getting older and the cost of fuel to lug winches around, and if its really about pilot skill and thermal reading/working...lets just hand toss the damn things and call for 20min tasks. We'd be able to get in about 40 rounds per day so that would make contests that much more attractive to attend, and of course set up would be minimal, also no hassles with changing turnarounds for wind direction, and those mysterious bastards who you all seem to know are out there who take advantage of line breaks and pop offs, well 'they' will be out of luck with no lines to break and no pop offs. Setting up the models will be easier because there will be no need to agonize over tow hook placement, elevator comps or camber switch programming. Those of you who haven't figured out how to program your JR radios so that there's no need to flip a switch to make the throttle stick camber or landing lever in mid flight, again no worries, not needed any more. Dang it makes so much sense, so logical, can't figure out why you guys didn't think of this sooner! That new 150" SupraDurpraIcon will devour the soaring scene! I mean it will have to have a glide advantage and no worries about clogging up contests with broken line concerns. (and will provide fodder to RC Groups about it having an unfair advantage demanding that owners leave its tips off). 300'? I laugh! Lets show 'those' guys at contest that us real men want a true soaring eventlets get rid of winches all together! What do you think Chicago? You guys seem to have been sitting around thinking up good ideas :-) Shorten the lines and you can bet the line will get shorter. Gordy :-) In a message dated 1/4/2008 10:46:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agreewith you Jack, but I think the distance to the turnaround should beeven shorter, maybe 300ft Buzz Averill On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:48PM, schrederman wrote: > > Well I posted this under Bestwishes for 2008... but not too many > looked > at it... Sohere goes :eek: > > For this year, I'd like to issue a challengeto the soaring community. > For 30 years, we've been launching as highas possible, trying to stay > aloft for 10 minutes, and coming down on aspot, carrying a skeg that > many times arrests on the line rather thanthe ground. That gets old... > in fact it got old a long timeago... > > My challenge is to standardize the American TD winch,including line > strength, and to do away with landing skegs. I alsothink the > turnaround should be no more than 600' from the launchpoint. Let's put > some challenge back into this. Flame suitON! > > Jack (Darth) Womack > > > -- > schrederman >--- > - > schrederman's Profile: >http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=13218 > View thisthread: >http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794683 > >RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send > "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Please note that subscribeand unsubscribe messages must be sent in > text only format withMIME turned off. Email sent from web based > email such asHotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format > RCSE-Listfacilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note thatsubscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIMEturned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL aregenerally NOT in text format - Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.
Re: [RCSE] Brain Fart or Challenge?
Only downwind Dan - Original Message From: Rick Van Clief <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, January 4, 2008 2:58:53 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Brain Fart or Challenge? Can you discuss launch a Supra? RVC - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:23 PM Subject: [RCSE] Brain Fart or Challenge? Wow Jack , You are really on to it with this shortening lines thing ! I sat around for quite a few minutes before I thought of something even dumber ...but I managed! :-) I'm thinking with us getting older and the cost of fuel to lug winches around, and if its really about pilot skill and thermal reading/working...lets just hand toss the damn things and call for 20min tasks. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [RCSE] Brain Fart or Challenge?
Got news for ya-- Joe would still win. Gordy wrote: lets just hand toss the damn things and call for 20min tasks. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:23 AM Subject: [RCSE] Brain Fart or Challenge? Wow Jack , You are really on to it with this shortening lines thing ! I sat around for quite a few minutes before I thought of something even dumber ...but I managed! :-) I'm thinking with us getting older and the cost of fuel to lug winches around, and if its really about pilot skill and thermal reading/working...lets just hand toss the damn things and call for 20min tasks. We'd be able to get in about 40 rounds per day so that would make contests that much more attractive to attend, and of course set up would be minimal, also no hassles with changing turnarounds for wind direction, and those mysterious bastards who you all seem to know are out there who take advantage of line breaks and pop offs, well 'they' will be out of luck with no lines to break and no pop offs. Setting up the models will be easier because there will be no need to agonize over tow hook placement, elevator comps or camber switch programming. Those of you who haven't figured out how to program your JR radios so that there's no need to flip a switch to make the throttle stick camber or landing lever in mid flight, again no worries, not needed any more. Dang it makes so much sense, so logical, can't figure out why you guys didn't think of this sooner! That new 150" SupraDurpraIcon will devour the soaring scene! I mean it will have to have a glide advantage and no worries about clogging up contests with broken line concerns. (and will provide fodder to RC Groups about it having an unfair advantage demanding that owners leave its tips off). 300'? I laugh! Lets show 'those' guys at contest that us real men want a true soaring eventlets get rid of winches all together! What do you think Chicago? You guys seem to have been sitting around thinking up good ideas :-) Shorten the lines and you can bet the line will get shorter. Gordy :-) In a message dated 1/4/2008 10:46:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree with you Jack, but I think the distance to the turnaround should be even shorter, maybe 300ft Buzz Averill On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:48 PM, schrederman wrote: > > Well I posted this under Best wishes for 2008... but not too many > looked > at it... So here goes :eek: > > For this year, I'd like to issue a challenge to the soaring community. > For 30 years, we've been launching as high as possible, trying to stay > aloft for 10 minutes, and coming down on a spot, carrying a skeg that > many times arrests on the line rather than the ground. That gets old... > in fact it got old a long time ago... > > My challenge is to standardize the American TD winch, including line > strength, and to do away with landing skegs. I also think the > turnaround should be no more than 600' from the launch point. Let's put > some challenge back into this. Flame suit ON! > > Jack (Darth) Womack > > > -- > schrederman > --- > - > schrederman's Profile: > http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=13218 > View this thread: > http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794683 > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send > "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in > text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based > email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 1/4/2008 12:05 PM
Re: [RCSE] Brain Fart or Challenge?
I think what Gordy is trying to point out in his own way (tongue firmly established in cheek) is that regulating line length or strength or whatever takes away from the individuality of different contests...some groups have the ability to use a very long distance to the turnaround (right Henry?) and others don't..some have gorilla winches and others don't..using what you have is part of what makes this hobby interesting..being able to adapt to a given situation is what separates the great pilots from the good pilots.I would be willing to bet Joe Wurts can adapt to just about any situation of launch equipment and aircraft type if he has to.It's like showing up at a contest with an Oly and having 15mph winds..what do you do...grab some ballast and be VERY light on the pedal (it can be done...). I for one am all for keeping the variety in the sport...fly what you got and launch with what's available.though you might ask a few intelligent questions first, like, is this a 6 volt winch with a 12 volt battery or what Just my $.05 worth (inflation don't ya know) Kevin O'Dell On Jan 4, 2008, at 12:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow Jack , You are really on to it with this shortening lines thing ! I sat around for quite a few minutes before I thought of something even dumber ...but I managed! :-) I'm thinking with us getting older and the cost of fuel to lug winches around, and if its really about pilot skill and thermal reading/working...lets just hand toss the damn things and call for 20min tasks. We'd be able to get in about 40 rounds per day so that would make contests that much more attractive to attend, and of course set up would be minimal, also no hassles with changing turnarounds for wind direction, and those mysterious bastards who you all seem to know are out there who take advantage of line breaks and pop offs, well 'they' will be out of luck with no lines to break and no pop offs. Setting up the models will be easier because there will be no need to agonize over tow hook placement, elevator comps or camber switch programming. Those of you who haven't figured out how to program your JR radios so that there's no need to flip a switch to make the throttle stick camber or landing lever in mid flight, again no worries, not needed any more. Dang it makes so much sense, so logical, can't figure out why you guys didn't think of this sooner! That new 150" SupraDurpraIcon will devour the soaring scene! I mean it will have to have a glide advantage and no worries about clogging up contests with broken line concerns. (and will provide fodder to RC Groups about it having an unfair advantage demanding that owners leave its tips off). 300'? I laugh! Lets show 'those' guys at contest that us real men want a true soaring eventlets get rid of winches all together! What do you think Chicago? You guys seem to have been sitting around thinking up good ideas :-) Shorten the lines and you can bet the line will get shorter. Gordy :-) In a message dated 1/4/2008 10:46:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree with you Jack, but I think the distance to the turnaround should be even shorter, maybe 300ft Buzz Averill On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:48 PM, schrederman wrote: > > Well I posted this under Best wishes for 2008... but not too many > looked > at it... So here goes :eek: > > For this year, I'd like to issue a challenge to the soaring community. > For 30 years, we've been launching as high as possible, trying to stay > aloft for 10 minutes, and coming down on a spot, carrying a skeg that > many times arrests on the line rather than the ground. That gets old... > in fact it got old a long time ago... > > My challenge is to standardize the American TD winch, including line > strength, and to do away with landing skegs. I also think the > turnaround should be no more than 600' from the launch point. Let's put > some challenge back into this. Flame suit ON! > > Jack (Darth) Womack > > > -- > schrederman > -- - > - > schrederman's Profile: > http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=13218 > View this thread: > http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794683 > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send > "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in > text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based > email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web bas
[RCSE] Comments about balsa from "N"
Earlier someone complained about his wood from "N", I didn't experience the same problem. But I do miss Lone Star I just received a $50+ order and I was satisfied with the wood. I ordered some contest grade with std grade and all the contest was 4-6 #'s and the std stuff was pretty good with a couple of 1/16th running 14#'s which is not unusual in a pack of 1/16th. Ordered some trailing edge stuff and it was good Stan
Re: [RCSE] Brain Fart or Challenge?
Can you discuss launch a Supra? RVC - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:23 PM Subject: [RCSE] Brain Fart or Challenge? Wow Jack , You are really on to it with this shortening lines thing ! I sat around for quite a few minutes before I thought of something even dumber ...but I managed! :-) I'm thinking with us getting older and the cost of fuel to lug winches around, and if its really about pilot skill and thermal reading/working...lets just hand toss the damn things and call for 20min tasks.
Re: [RCSE] Best 2 Meter for NATS
Not really. Mike Lachowski was handing us at beating for a while at the Nats last year with his Aegea, a pretty new design. The Organic has nowhere near the wing area of a Duck, and still launches fine. Flying 2M at the Nats, or anywhere, is far more about decision making than ultimate launch height. Not that it doesn't help, but time and again at the Nats you'll see the high guy get beat by a bad turn or bad decision off launch. Craig. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RCSE" Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:57 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Best 2 Meter for NATS Once again, the winch requirement excludes the development of new 2M designs and defaults the designs to the main requirement that they only be able to haul the lines up. This requirement only favors those planes that are commercially built or those that have so much wing area and airfoil thickness that we get back into the old design arguments of years past. One of these days a plane will be able to take into account other design factors besides this limited one. IMHO Chris Original Message Subject: [RCSE] Best 2 Meter for NATS From: "Barry Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, January 04, 2008 6:00 am To: "RCSE" Gentleman, Go with the winner... a Organic 2M. Craig Greening won 2007 NATS flying the Organic 2M. Regards, Barry Kennedy Composites www.kennedycomposites.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Brain Fart : Definitely a FART
I can't believe that the response of Gordy's is a Joke or What? Hey Gordy, you propose that we get rid of Winch altogether. WOW, what a novel Idea! You design a plane that you can grab by a wingtip and throw with all your might. Gee...maybe you can do some running to get more speed up and then twist around like a ballet dancer and then let go of the plane. I know, I know, it's been years since your Arther Murray dancing lessons were completed and you are a bit rusty. But heck, it gets you out of the house. And can anyone thermal out with a plane after throwing it Hey, I heard of this guys who went to Japan and convinced them that he should be able to use his big TD plane, I think it was a Icon, and throw it. There were guys there who were doing something like you suggest, that is, taking a smaller plane and throwing it. In fact, I think they developed tasks that were challenging for them, but maybe not for your expertise. It's always great to hear the ideas of "experts" and "LSF Level V aspirants" like yourself when they come up with these new flying classes and tasks. Keep the ideas coming! Chris > Original Message > Subject: [RCSE] Brain Fart or Challenge? > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Fri, January 04, 2008 10:23 am > To: Soaring@airage.com > > Wow Jack , > > You are really on to it with this shortening lines thing ! I sat around for > quite a few minutes before I thought of something even dumber ...but I > managed! :-) > > I'm thinking with us getting older and the cost of fuel to lug winches > around, and if its really about pilot skill and thermal reading/working...lets > just hand toss the damn things and call for 20min tasks. > > We'd be able to get in about 40 rounds per day so that would make contests > that much more attractive to attend, and of course set up would be minimal, > also no hassles with changing turnarounds for wind direction, and those > mysterious bastards who you all seem to know are out there who take advantage > of > line breaks and pop offs, well 'they' will be out of luck with no lines to > break > and no pop offs. > > Setting up the models will be easier because there will be no need to > agonize over tow hook placement, elevator comps or camber switch programming. > Those of you who haven't figured out how to program your JR radios so that > there's no need to flip a switch to make the throttle stick camber or > landing lever > in mid flight, again no worries, not needed any more. > > Dang it makes so much sense, so logical, can't figure out why you guys > didn't think of this sooner! > > That new 150" SupraDurpraIcon will devour the soaring scene! I mean it will > have to have a glide advantage and no worries about clogging up contests with > broken line concerns. (and will provide fodder to RC Groups about it having > an unfair advantage demanding that owners leave its tips off). > > 300'? I laugh! Lets show 'those' guys at contest that us real men want a > true soaring eventlets get rid of winches all together! > What do you think Chicago? You guys seem to have been sitting around > thinking up good ideas :-) > > Shorten the lines and you can bet the line will get shorter. > > Gordy :-) > > > In a message dated 1/4/2008 10:46:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I agree with you Jack, but I think the distance to the turnaround > should be even shorter, maybe 300ft > > Buzz Averill > > On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:48 PM, schrederman wrote: > > > > > Well I posted this under Best wishes for 2008... but not too many > > looked > > at it... So here goes :eek: > > > > For this year, I'd like to issue a challenge to the soaring community. > > For 30 years, we've been launching as high as possible, trying to stay > > aloft for 10 minutes, and coming down on a spot, carrying a skeg that > > many times arrests on the line rather than the ground. That gets old... > > in fact it got old a long time ago... > > > > My challenge is to standardize the American TD winch, including line > > strength, and to do away with landing skegs. I also think the > > turnaround should be no more than 600' from the launch point. Let's put > > some challenge back into this. Flame suit ON! > > > > Jack (Darth) Womack > > > > > > -- > > schrederman > > --- > > - > > schrederman's Profile: > > http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=13218 > > View this thread: > > http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794683 > > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send > > "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in > > text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based > > email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format > > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "sub
RE: [RCSE] Best 2 Meter for NATS
Once again, the winch requirement excludes the development of new 2M designs and defaults the designs to the main requirement that they only be able to haul the lines up. This requirement only favors those planes that are commercially built or those that have so much wing area and airfoil thickness that we get back into the old design arguments of years past. One of these days a plane will be able to take into account other design factors besides this limited one. IMHO Chris > Original Message > Subject: [RCSE] Best 2 Meter for NATS > From: "Barry Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Fri, January 04, 2008 6:00 am > To: "RCSE" > > Gentleman, > > Go with the winner... a Organic 2M. Craig Greening won 2007 NATS flying > the Organic 2M. > > Regards, > > Barry > Kennedy Composites > www.kennedycomposites.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Brain Fart or Challenge?
I have to add my 2 cents worth here Next time Gordy shows up to a contest make sure he flies a 2x4 At least he will not have to worry about line length, hand-launch, line strength or pop-offs... I'll go back to work now [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Already the silly season of winter has swung into high gear. Suggesting a line strength and turnaround distance as required info for AMA contest sanctions so we can choose whether to go or not go to specific contests. Also smell a possible black helicoptor conspericy with the trend towards shorter, hi test lines to force all sailplane launching to be of the motorized variation. No more winches, hi test lines, sandbagging, popoffs, sore shoulders, downwind launches etc. to deal with. I'm begining to warm up to the idea. Regards, Dave Corven. !DSPAM:477e8dbf66251515390450! Subject: [RCSE] Brain Fart or Challenge? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 18:23:50 + To: Soaring@airage.com To: Soaring@airage.com Wow Jack , You are really on to it with this shortening lines thing ! I sat around for quite a few minutes before I thought of something even dumber ...but I managed! :-) I'm thinking with us getting older and the cost of fuel to lug winches around, and if its really about pilot skill and thermal reading/working...lets just hand toss the damn things and call for 20min tasks. We'd be able to get in about 40 rounds per day so that would make contests that much more attractive to attend, and of course set up would be minimal, also no hassles with changing turnarounds for wind direction, and those mysterious bastards who you all seem to know are out there who take advantage of line breaks and pop offs, well 'they' will be out of luck with no lines to break and no pop offs. Setting up the models will be easier because there will be no need to agonize over tow hook placement, elevator comps or camber switch programming. Those of you who haven't figured out how to program your JR radios so that there's no need to flip a switch to make the throttle stick camber or landing lever in mid flight, again no worries, not needed any more. Dang it makes so much sense, so logical, can't figure out why you guys didn't think of this sooner! That new 150" SupraDurpraIcon will devour the soaring scene! I mean it will have to have a glide advantage and no worries about clogging up contests with broken line concerns. (and will provide fodder to RC Groups about it having an unfair advantage demanding that owners leave its tips off). 300'? I laugh! Lets show 'those' guys at contest that us real men want a true soaring eventlets get rid of winches all together! What do you think Chicago? You guys seem to have been sitting around thinking up good ideas :-) Shorten the lines and you can bet the line /will /get shorter. Gordy :-) In a message dated 1/4/2008 10:46:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree with you Jack, but I think the distance to the turnaround should be even shorter, maybe 300ft Buzz Averill On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:48 PM, schrederman wrote: > > Well I posted this under Best wishes for 2008... but not too many > looked > at it... So here goes :eek: > > For this year, I'd like to issue a challenge to the soaring community. > For 30 years, we've been launching as high as possible, trying to stay > aloft for 10 minutes, and coming down on a spot, carrying a skeg that > many times arrests on the line rather than the ground. That gets old... > in fact it got old a long time ago... > > My challenge is to standardize the American TD winch, including line > strength, and to do away with landing skegs. I also think the > turnaround should be no more than 600' from the launch point. Let's put > some challenge back into this. Flame suit ON! > > Jack (Darth) Womack > > > -- > schrederman > --- > - > schrederman's Profile: > http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=13218 > View this thread: > http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794683 > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send > "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in > text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based > email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Em
Re: [RCSE] Brain Fart or Challenge?
Already the silly season of winter has swung into high gear. Suggesting a line strength and turnaround distance as required info for AMA contest sanctions so we can choose whether to go or not go to specific contests. Also smell a possible black helicoptor conspericy with the trend towards shorter, hi test lines to force all sailplane launching to be of the motorized variation. No more winches, hi test lines, sandbagging, popoffs, sore shoulders, downwind launches etc. to deal with. I'm begining to warm up to the idea. Regards, Dave Corven. --- Begin Message --- Wow Jack , You are really on to it with this shortening lines thing ! I sat around for quite a few minutes before I thought of something even dumber ...but I managed! :-) I'm thinking with us getting older and the cost of fuel to lug winches around, and if its really about pilot skill and thermal reading/working...lets just hand toss the damn things and call for 20min tasks. We'd be able to get in about 40 rounds per day so that would make contests that much more attractive to attend, and of course set up would be minimal, also no hassles with changing turnarounds for wind direction, and those mysterious bastards who you all seem to know are out there who take advantage of line breaks and pop offs, well 'they' will be out of luck with no lines to break and no pop offs. Setting up the models will be easier because there will be no need to agonize over tow hook placement, elevator comps or camber switch programming. Those of you who haven't figured out how to program your JR radios so that there's no need to flip a switch to make the throttle stick camber or landing lever in mid flight, again no worries, not needed any more. Dang it makes so much sense, so logical, can't figure out why you guys didn't think of this sooner! That new 150" SupraDurpraIcon will devour the soaring scene! I mean it will have to have a glide advantage and no worries about clogging up contests with broken line concerns. (and will provide fodder to RC Groups about it having an unfair advantage demanding that owners leave its tips off). 300'? I laugh! Lets show 'those' guys at contest that us real men want a true soaring eventlets get rid of winches all together! What do you think Chicago? You guys seem to have been sitting around thinking up good ideas :-) Shorten the lines and you can bet the line will get shorter. Gordy :-) In a message dated 1/4/2008 10:46:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree with you Jack, but I think the distance to the turnaround should be even shorter, maybe 300ftBuzz AverillOn Jan 1, 2008, at 8:48 PM, schrederman wrote:>> Well I posted this under Best wishes for 2008... but not too many > looked> at it... So here goes :eek:>> For this year, I'd like to issue a challenge to the soaring community.> For 30 years, we've been launching as high as possible, trying to stay> aloft for 10 minutes, and coming down on a spot, carrying a skeg that> many times arrests on the line rather than the ground. That gets old...> in fact it got old a long time ago...>> My challenge is to standardize the American TD winch, including line> strength, and to do away with landing skegs. I also think the> turnaround should be no more than 600' from the launch point. Let's put> some challenge back into this. Flame suit ON!>> Jack (Darth) Womack>>> -- > schrederman> --- > -> schrederman's Profile: > http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=13218> View this thread: > http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794683>> RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send > "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in > text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based > email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format>RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text formatStart the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. --- End Message ---
Re: [RCSE] Brain Fart or Challenge?
Gordy, There you go again. Why do you have to be critical of others ideas? I noticed you did not manage to add one good point to the conversation just a bunch of normal BS. If you go back and read Jack's post he did not mention anything about 300' Lines but actually mentioned 600' lines. Heck even YOU should be able to make your time with 600' lines. Of course we all know the reason you are against short lines is not your fear of not making your time but of popping off since the shorter the line the less stretch and the easier it is to pop off. Now me on the other hand, I had a few rounds at the TNT that I did not make my time with the long lines they had. Not sure how long they were but even Henry B looked little out at the turn around. I personally liked Jack's suggestions and would have no problem flying his format. No matter how they set it up, it is equal for everyone once they hook em up. See Ya, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Wow Jack , > > You are really on to it with this shortening lines thing ! I sat around for > quite a few minutes before I thought of something even dumber ...but I > managed! :-) > > I'm thinking with us getting older and the cost of fuel to lug winches > around, and if its really about pilot skill and thermal > reading/working...lets > just hand toss the damn things and call for 20min tasks. > > We'd be able to get in about 40 rounds per day so that would make contests > that much more attractive to attend, and of course set up would be minimal, > also no hassles with changing turnarounds for wind direction, and those > mysterious bastards who you all seem to know are out there who take advantage > of > line breaks and pop offs, well 'they' will be out of luck with no lines to > break > and no pop offs. > > Setting up the models will be easier because there will be no need to > agonize over tow hook placement, elevator comps or camber switch > programming. > Those of you who haven't figured out how to program your JR radios so that > there's no need to flip a switch to make the throttle stick camber or > landing lever > in mid flight, again no worries, not needed any more. > > Dang it makes so much sense, so logical, can't figure out why you guys > didn't think of this sooner! > > That new 150" SupraDurpraIcon will devour the soaring scene! I mean it will > have to have a glide advantage and no worries about clogging up contests > with > broken line concerns. (and will provide fodder to RC Groups about it having > an unfair advantage demanding that owners leave its tips off). > > 300'? I laugh! Lets show 'those' guys at contest that us real men want a > true soaring eventlets get rid of winches all together! > What do you think Chicago? You guys seem to have been sitting around > thinking up good ideas :-) > > Shorten the lines and you can bet the line will get shorter. > > Gordy :-) > > > In a message dated 1/4/2008 10:46:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I agree with you Jack, but I think the distance to the turnaround > should be even shorter, maybe 300ft > > Buzz Averill > > On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:48 PM, schrederman wrote: > > > > > Well I posted this under Best wishes for 2008... but not too many > > looked > > at it... So here goes :eek: > > > > For this year, I'd like to issue a challenge to the soaring community. > > For 30 years, we've been launching as high as possible, trying to stay > > aloft for 10 minutes, and coming down on a spot, carrying a skeg that > > many times arrests on the line rather than the ground. That gets old... > > in fact it got old a long time ago... > > > > My challenge is to standardize the American TD winch, including line > > strength, and to do away with landing skegs. I also think the > > turnaround should be no more than 600' from the launch point. Let's put > > some challenge back into this. Flame suit ON! > > > > Jack (Darth) Womack > > > > > > -- > > schrederman > > --- > > - > > schrederman's Profile: > > http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=13218 > > View this thread: > > http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794683 > > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send > > "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in > > text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based > > email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format > > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and > "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that > subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME > > turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hot
[RCSE] Brain Fart or Challenge?
Wow Jack , You are really on to it with this shortening lines thing ! I sat around for quite a few minutes before I thought of something even dumber ...but I managed! :-) I'm thinking with us getting older and the cost of fuel to lug winches around, and if its really about pilot skill and thermal reading/working...lets just hand toss the damn things and call for 20min tasks. We'd be able to get in about 40 rounds per day so that would make contests that much more attractive to attend, and of course set up would be minimal, also no hassles with changing turnarounds for wind direction, and those mysterious bastards who you all seem to know are out there who take advantage of line breaks and pop offs, well 'they' will be out of luck with no lines to break and no pop offs. Setting up the models will be easier because there will be no need to agonize over tow hook placement, elevator comps or camber switch programming. Those of you who haven't figured out how to program your JR radios so that there's no need to flip a switch to make the throttle stick camber or landing lever in mid flight, again no worries, not needed any more. Dang it makes so much sense, so logical, can't figure out why you guys didn't think of this sooner! That new 150" SupraDurpraIcon will devour the soaring scene! I mean it will have to have a glide advantage and no worries about clogging up contests with broken line concerns. (and will provide fodder to RC Groups about it having an unfair advantage demanding that owners leave its tips off). 300'? I laugh! Lets show 'those' guys at contest that us real men want a true soaring eventlets get rid of winches all together! What do you think Chicago? You guys seem to have been sitting around thinking up good ideas :-) Shorten the lines and you can bet the line will get shorter. Gordy :-) In a message dated 1/4/2008 10:46:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree with you Jack, but I think the distance to the turnaround should be even shorter, maybe 300ft Buzz Averill On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:48 PM, schrederman wrote: > > Well I posted this under Best wishes for 2008... but not too many > looked > at it... So here goes :eek: > > For this year, I'd like to issue a challenge to the soaring community. > For 30 years, we've been launching as high as possible, trying to stay > aloft for 10 minutes, and coming down on a spot, carrying a skeg that > many times arrests on the line rather than the ground. That gets old... > in fact it got old a long time ago... > > My challenge is to standardize the American TD winch, including line > strength, and to do away with landing skegs. I also think the > turnaround should be no more than 600' from the launch point. Let's put > some challenge back into this. Flame suit ON! > > Jack (Darth) Womack > > > -- > schrederman > --- > - > schrederman's Profile: > http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=13218 > View this thread: > http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794683 > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send > "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in > text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based > email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489
Re: [RCSE] Challenge...
I agree with you Jack, but I think the distance to the turnaround should be even shorter, maybe 300ft Buzz Averill On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:48 PM, schrederman wrote: Well I posted this under Best wishes for 2008... but not too many looked at it... So here goes :eek: For this year, I'd like to issue a challenge to the soaring community. For 30 years, we've been launching as high as possible, trying to stay aloft for 10 minutes, and coming down on a spot, carrying a skeg that many times arrests on the line rather than the ground. That gets old... in fact it got old a long time ago... My challenge is to standardize the American TD winch, including line strength, and to do away with landing skegs. I also think the turnaround should be no more than 600' from the launch point. Let's put some challenge back into this. Flame suit ON! Jack (Darth) Womack -- schrederman --- - schrederman's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=13218 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794683 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] covering question
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 07:00:46AM -0800, AJ Bhatta wrote: | Hi guys: I am trying to finish a EPP Banshee sloper | (TuffPlanes)before this weekend. Any advantage to | using Ultracote for covering versus the usual Zagi | type finishing tape? Looks better. Lasts longer. Perhaps very slightly more aerodynamic. Another thing I like to do with the zagi-style wings is bury the pushrods. Instead of have the servo arms stick up, I have them stick down, and drill/melt a conduit for it in the foam so the servo arms and most of the pushrods are buried (and straws make nice tubes), and it comes out of the foam closer to the elevon. The combat guys do that because it makes the plane more resiliant, but it's also sleeker and looks better. And it's easy to do. -- Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] covering question
Hi guys: I am trying to finish a EPP Banshee sloper (TuffPlanes)before this weekend. Any advantage to using Ultracote for covering versus the usual Zagi type finishing tape? Cheers AJ, BSS Lexington RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Best 2 Meter for NATS
Gentleman, Go with the winner... a Organic 2M. Craig Greening won 2007 NATS flying the Organic 2M. Regards, Barry Kennedy Composites www.kennedycomposites.com
