[RCSE] Nero Flying while the Plains Burn?
Well, it was windy in Dallas again today, but the temperature hit the mid 70's. Don't call us Neros, but Arnold, Pancho and myself went out threw some lead in the sleds and had some great thermal flights to end the year. Came down when we wanted and hit RAM recorded altitudes above 1K AGL. Cool (HOT?) for the last day of the year! Dry and warm means good lift down here in Texas during the winter months. Wished y'all, did I say that, could have been here! Happy New Year and may you always find lift, except when you're competing against me. ;^) Mark W. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Sharon 3.7 Pro Wanted
Was yours on the board? If it was I would not be so cool. This should not ever happen, especially with a frequency control board!!! How did his get removed, did it ever get attached to the board, how will we ever know or is that just an excuse for not accepting responsibility? We fun and practice fly at a field that does not allow us to have permanent structures, thus no structured frequency control boards. An incident occurred this last week where a long time club member and ex-safety officer turned on with out knowing who was in the air. The offended pilot was knowledgeable enough to know he had an issue. He announced his problem and the person on the ground turned off quickly enough for the man in the air to recover control. I was very perturbed that these guys that fly together on a daily basis had become so lax. I sold that airplane to the offended pilot and he just prior to that had told me I did him a favor. It isn't pretty and no where near the caliber of a Sharon. But, guys frequency control is not something to take lightly. $150 or $3,000, five pound objects traveling at potential speeds in excess of 100 MPH are not trivial particularly when uncontrolled. Mark Williams President Soaring League of North Texas AMA #5462 - Original Message - From: Tuan Le [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 3:29 PM Subject: [RCSE] Sharon 3.7 Pro Wanted Looking for 1 in mint condition RTF or not is ok... Totaled mine today right after the zoom as another pilot was on the same channel, but as he said... Someone must have removed his frequency pin from the board. It happens... Anyway Let me know what you got.. I will have pictures posted on RCGroups to see the carnage. Thanks. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Looking for SBXC/Trade (NASA has one!)
Yep, tried to post this last night to RCSE. Guess the server was in the twilight zone every one of my post appear to be lost to RCSE, other e-mails work, so no ISP problem. Also, if you go to this link be sure to check out the picture files link. The puck on the top of the fuselage sure looks like a FMA Copilot to me. An I.E. that I have been working with on a UAV proposal at work told me about it. http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/news/NewsReleases/2005/05-63.html - Original Message - From: Paul Emerson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marta Zavala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Looking for SBXC/Trade (NASA has one!) Copied from the xc soaring mailing list, sorry if you have already seen it: - I came across this link showing NASA using an SBXC and autopilot to thermal. http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/home/index.html I think we probably need to ban NASA from entering our XC events! John On 10/18/05, Marta Zavala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im looking to possibly work out a deal for an SBXC. Ive got a real nice full carbon F3J Pike Superior Xtail white top/black bottom for excellent visibility. Never crashed/broken/etc. Ready to fly sans Rx. Looking to possibly work out a deal for an SBXC in excellent shape , a NIB unbuilt one would be even better. There is a XC contest coming up in Sacramento. I plan on going to check it out, if you are interested and are going to the contest we could talk, you could check out and fly the Pike if you like. PM me if interested. Walter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Translations wanted
Title: Message BTW does anybody know what a bablefish is? - Original Message - From: Tuan Le To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 'RCSE' Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:16 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Translations wanted Go here George... http://babelfish.altavista.com/ -Original Message-From: George Voss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 8:58 AMTo: RCSESubject: [RCSE] Translations wanted I just got a very nice Libelle from John Derstine, but the instructions are in German. Can someone point me to a place to have the instructions converted to English? I can send a scan or copy of the text if you like. TIA gv
Re: [RCSE] Translations wanted
I didn't spell it first. But, I believe you are correct. One does not always have to be that anal? Some times I even misspell words!!! :^0 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Translations wanted Mark Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW does anybody know what a bablefish is? You're not spelling it right, which is why it only returns 85,200 Google hits. A Google search for babel fish will produce 1,600,00 hits, or 3,110,000 hits without the quotes: http://www.google.com/search?q=babel+fishbtnG=Search Does anyone know what a google is? (Just kidding.) Mike -- _ \__|__/ (O) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Translations wanted
RLFOL!!! - Original Message - From: Simon Van Leeuwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CapnCrunchie [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring - Yahoo Soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Translations wanted Womanhood lived on Bable fish while the men were out trying to fetch dinner in the form of Sabre tooth and the great woolie mammoth. Evidence supports early hunters got sidelined by attempting to lash bird wings to their weapons on the premise less of them would be eaten or stomped on if their spears flew farther to the target. Therefore here on earth, Bable fish are extinct. Instead of outright bliss with the opposite sex forever, we got model airplanes... CapnCrunchie wrote: Would a bablefish work with womanspeak? I swear, no matter how hard I try, often I can't understand what in the world they are talking about... Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=36035/*http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ -- Simon Van Leeuwen RADIUS SYSTEMS PnP SYSTEMS - The E-Harness of Choice Cogito Ergo Zooom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] JR Dealer?
I'm looking to buy a JR R700 receiver. Can anybody recommend a good dealer for JR products? TIA, Mark RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Realizing 300MPH and LSF
So when does DS become part of the LSF program? OOPS!!! I just upped the ante and the program is supposed to be safe? :^) - Original Message - From: Chuck Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Realizing 300MPH At 10:24 AM 10/7/2005, you wrote: Participants of this forum that solely fly thermal duration may be a bit perplexed by the recent 300+ mph achievement of our dynamic soaring compadres. To help you appreciate the magnitude of this achievement imagine this scenario: You have your sailplane at a comfortable altitude 1/4 of a mile distant from you. The air is such that you can fly perfect circles around you without a loss of altitude. At 300 mph, you'd complete a circle in approximately 10 seconds. That is truly moving out!! A hearty well done to all involved in setting the new DS record, Jim Deck Do participants of this forum that solely fly thermal duration realize how deadly this can be. KE = 1/2MVsquared. I witnessed a near miss at the Pylon even at the 1972 Nats when a radio failure resulted in a pylon racer dived into the ground at full throttle barely missing the spectator area. When I got home, I calculated the kinetic energy of the pylon race and compared to various projectiles. I don't remember the exact figures but a 5 pound model traveling 225 mph had more kinetic energy than a 50 caliber machine bullet. At 300 mph, the kinetic energy almost doubles. Maybe others don't mind standing in a machine gun firing range but I will be elsewhere. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Receiver Advice for Stratos
Just bought a Stratos SL and none of my receivers will fit if I leave the cases on them. I haven't tried removing the cases yet. I fly with a Vision and a Stylus, prefer to stay with dual conversion receivers. Anybody have some recommendations for use in this excellent airplane? Mark RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Frickey wins TNT '05
After two days of very challenging air, Jim Frickey wins the TNT for the third time! During these days no pilot remained unscathed, and some more than once were bit. Conditions ranged from scattered showers on Saturday morning and temps in the low 50's to temps near 80 and booming lift on Sunday. But, where there is lift there is also equal sink which hurt many a good stick. Congratulations Jim well earned. Mark W. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] TNT
Gene, It is next weekend. On Friday the seventh we have DLG and RES. Saturday and Sunday unlimited TD. Here is a link to our web site for information. Hope you can come. http://www.slnt.org/TNT%202005/TNT%202005.htm Mark Williams President Soaring League of North Texas - Original Message - From: Gene McClung [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 6:24 AM Subject: [RCSE] TNT Is TNT the weekend of 10-8-05 and are the directions posted somewhere? Thanks Gene RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Challenging Battery Capacity
Awesome air in Big D today. Took the day off to get in a little warm-up for the TNT next weekend. Hope you guys plan on attending and I look forward to seeing all that come. The weather has finally broken and the temps were in the 70's with light winds. It was overcast early, but the lift was surprisingly prevalent. I flew three times with no flight less than 11 minutes on the Eraser. My question is this, I have a four cell 1650 milliamp NiMH in the airplane. I flew for 1 hour 28 minutes and put the battery on my West Mountain Radio CBA when I arrived home. At 1.6 test amps the battery had 1.2 AmpHr. remaining. How safe is this set-up for a level V 2 hour attempt? Not being an EE type it looks OK to me if you keep the battery topped up and hit it early. Mark RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Cheers OVSS SOAR Chicago travellers
Jim, Glad to hear you guys had a good time. We were out restringing our club winches today in 90+ degree weather getting ready for the TNT, after all it is still summer. Are you going to bring the trophy back or are you leaving it in the hands of Henry? This year has been the opposite of last year, dry and hot, fall comes later here in the lower latitudes. I'm sure the weather will break before the TNT on October 7 through 8. Jager is something to be wary of, learned that on my ski trips, sure is fun around the fireplace after a great day of skiing though. Anyhow, hope you contest junkies plan on coming and flying with us on JR's homestead. HLG on Friday morning, RES on Friday afternoon and two days of unlimited on Saturday and Sunday. Did the cooks work out? Mark Garland, Texas President SLNT AMA 5462 LSF IV 3792 - Original Message - From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 5:56 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Cheers OVSS SOAR Chicago travellers Well that was a blast, the BBQ was rockin, I did my first Red Bull Jaegermeister Bombs this evening with a toast to DP. 8-) I am surprised I am still typing. Perfect weather today, it was beautiful out but the air was challenging. 31 pilots today, Jim McCarthy took first today with a score 26 points out of perfect in 5 rounds of 8 man grouped seeded MoM. 6 points behind Jimbo was another JR guy 8-), and in 3rd was Karl Miller. More writeups and pix later. At 06:21 PM 9/16/2005, you wrote: I have a new Weber Genesis Gold grill ready to fire up for a BBQ at my house Sat. Night on the deck. Many alpha male BBQ chefs will be in attendance (from far away as Texas), I plan to stand back and just watch them cook stuff and brag. ;-) Should be a good time, please join Rae and I at our house after the contest. I will pass out some directions at the field. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Anybody use torque system for spoiler return?
Stan, Back in the late 70's and early 80's a flying buddy and I developed a torque drive system for spoilers. We both had poly ships with plug in wings. A single servo was used in the fuselage to drive the set-up. Since the center panels had dihedral some type of flex-joint was required for the drive set-up. We found a coiled spring at the hardware store that fit quite nicely into K S brass tubing. Using three segments of brass tube one on each end for the receptacles and one in the center for the drive horn this was made up with epoxy. The outer receptacles were filled with some K S square tubing to drive the rods. The spring provided the flex for the dihedral angle and with a little experimentation of the gap between the tubes enough stiffness to drive the spoilers. Torque rods were made of 1/16 piano wire and the appropriate square tubing to mate with the drive receptacle was soldered to the end. We made drive horns for both the spoiler and drive using brass sheet and wheel collars soldered together. The best way to drive the spoiler was with an articulated arm, forearm and bicep. This gave full 90 degree drive without over driving the servo output providing positive up and positive down. No strings, magnets, or whatever. Still have both ships that I installed the system in and fly one of them for some of our RES events. No issues with it other than the fabrication and materials search. It's great to get to the field, plug the wings on and have the spoilers ready to go. Mark - Original Message - From: Stan Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring Digest soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 9:49 PM Subject: [RCSE] Anybody use torque system for spoiler return? If so what success/failure did you experience. How did you do it? Stan RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] LSF is HOT in Kentucky!
Yep, we have those in Texas that want to walk the 1K. Tim Bennett a SLNT member did it on 8/28/05 and I was a witless. It may be easier to get in the back of a pick up because you are near the airplane. On at least one of his attempts I following the airplane in my truck, which failed,could tell where the lift was. However, it is very difficult to direct a pilot many meters away where to fly his aircraft. Talk about how to time/spot for F3X!! How do you spot by radio more than 50 meters away? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 12:34 AM Subject: [RCSE] "LSF is HOT in Kentucky!" Congrats to two of our Lexington pals, AJ and Hank! They completed their 1K Goal and Returns ...by walking it! This completed their LSF3 and are definitely up for the LSF4 challenges! All of you other states, lets hear about your LSF soldiers! Gordy Los Angeles tonite
Re: [RCSE] And now a word about why to start your LSF journey..
We have found the enemy and he is us!!! The journey is the most important part, not the task. LSF IV last weekend and it took 24 years from III to IV. The chia plane done it!! Mark Williams LSF #3792 - Original Message - From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] And now a word about why to start your LSF journey.. http://www.silentflight.org/ At 03:31 PM 9/4/2005, Jay Hunter wrote: Who is this diabolical group and how can they be stopped!!! Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Is there an optometrist...
Sorry to hear about the Laser. Kurt is right it just gets worse. ;^( Aging eyes I think aided to the loss of my Graphite last year. Now I tend to return to the field earlier and not fly so high, even with the BIG airplanes. Look at it this way, it makes the hobby more challenging!! ;^) Mark W. - Original Message - From: Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 6:46 PM Subject: [RCSE] Is there an optometrist... ...in the house??? OK, ok...ok before you read it here on the RCSE... I SUCK! ;-) Most of you know that I tend to fly where the air is... no matter how far out that may be. I don't usually come home til my time is made, or no way possible to see the model. That's never been a problem in the past. WHAT'S WITH THIS OLD AGE THING??? I CAN'T SEE IT Yes, you guessed it, lost another one today but that's ok...I know exactly where it is... right in the bean field - close to the field. Don't want it. Don't care. I wandered around in the bean field for about an hour... guess what? Couldn't find it... ya know why???Can't see it... I came back from my thermal through a ton of air... couldn't work it... could barely see the damn model. I have decided to pay homage to the thermal gods. I'm leaving the little 2M Laser out there as a tribute to their greatness and all knowing and ever changing personalities This is Daryl humbly admitting he is beaten... he knows nothing... and the thermal gods know and provide all that is good in the world - UP air. I'm taking tomorrow off... getting focused on open class. Actually, as my grandfather used to say...I'm just resting my eyes... I sure am glad the Insanity is really really BIG!!! Oh, and on a different humorous note... I am seeing a new woman. You're not gonna believe this - she's a therapist... Daryl - I'm not worthy - Perkins __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Insanity 3.7 - shameless plug for Sal/building?
Hey guys, took a PTO ( personal time off ) day from work today to make a four day weekend and do some flying with our elder club members. The air was turbulent and some welcomed thunderstorms, with free water from the sky, cut our session short, bummer!? Had a 20+ minute flight with an altitude of 1400' AGL and decided to abort due to lightning in the area. This was documented on my RAM. Anyhow, we here in Texas are coming into our second building season. With temps in the 100's and humidity over 50% one has to be crazy to be outside after noon. I want to build an new technology back up for my Eraser, don't want a RTF. The old Sapphire with the Sage wings is good, but she is long in the tooth. What would you recommend for TD? Keep in mind we have conditions where we regularly fly in winds above 10 MPH and it needs to be a sturdy contest hog. BTW, Daryl we would like to see you back at the TNT again sometime, enjoyed having you here a few years back. We now fly it a South Fork Ranch, no JR doesn't try to steal our ladies, but it is a challenging site to fly. Some of us think it mirrors UT Dallas where we were flying when you were here. Mark W. - Original Message - From: Marta Zavala [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Insanity 3.7 - shameless plug for Sal I saw that plane fly last weekend and at Visalia. Its a really good flying plane. Seemed to me it really pulled hard on launch. Didnt see it land at SVSS but did at Visalia and it really does come in slow. Liked it so much I called NSP about a kit. To my surprise was told they dont make kits. Only RTF planes complete w/all JR electronics. I was quoted 1700.00. Not sure why its only offered RTF/all electronics??? I guess subtracting say 650.00 for gear/install that would put the plane around 1050.00. Will probably still buy one someday but really would rather build out my own plane with my own gear. None the less the plane flies very, very good. A two meter its certainly NOT, its big. Walter -Original Message- From: Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com soaring@airage.com Date: Friday, July 01, 2005 8:07 AM Subject: [RCSE] Insanity 3.7 - shameless plug for Sal Hey Guys, After the Spring Fling, I've been getting a lot of private emails regarding the Insanity 3.7, so I thought I'd post a little about the model. With my broken full scale planes this year, I haven't had a chance to head to So Cal to fly the contest circuit, but I had really wanted to, because this thing is like cheating. Now that I've got some contest time on the model, I'm more comfortable talking about it than last year. It's so easy to fly, and even easier to land. Mine weighs in at 83 ounces, but I am using some super heavy stabs that I bagged at home with some carbon I had laying aroundIf I were using the stabs from Sal, it would take 3-4 ounces out of the model. Even at 83 ounces, the model feels almost too light for me. It flies soo slooow. The wing loading is under 9 ounces/ft. Even though it's light, due to the span, it still covers ground quite well, and because of the light loading, lands almost stupid slow. The moments on the model are quite generous, (lng tail boom) so even at very slow speeds on final, it tracks quite nicely. Stats: Span - 145 Area - Don't remember (I recall 1350 ish) Section - A JW section - TDtry19 (same as the Fusion section) I've only flown it in Majors. It's the model I flew at the Nats last year (although with a completely re-shaped and re-tooled fuse - much prettier and lighter now), I flew it at Visalia, SWC, and now Spring Fling. For AMA style TD, I wouldn't fly anything else. I believe Sal is selling them, although due to the labor in them, Phil is whining about making the wings. So there may be a bit of a delay. There is a lot of work in them. Makes it a bit pricey. The wings are turning out to be super strong - much to the shagrin of the SVSS winch crews. I kept breaking lines tapping all the way up tow. Sorry guys! I was tappin'... It's very lively for the span - if it wasn't it would make me crazy. Rolling circles are fun, inverted flight is hands off, outsides are tight... it's just fun to fly. And most importantly, it's not a 2 meter. Chuck would like it he can see it ;-) If you're in Muncie, come by and check it out. I'll have it out for Open Class. See y'all at the Nats! D Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL
Re: Reply: [RCSE] XC Strategies?
Tom, Thanks for the input. I understand the tacking up wind concept, raced on sailboats for years and it makes sense. If your going crosswind, no matter how slight, the DMG ( distance made good ) on course is reduced, forgot about that. Funny how there is a synergy between sailing and soaring, some of my old sailing buddies are also interested in soaring. I too am attracted strongly to them both. Wished I could make it to Muncie for the NATS. I have only participated in one, the 1981 NATS in Seguin, TX. Also, went to one as a child at the Dallas Naval Airstation, I was awestruck!!! However, when registrations had to be in for this year I was not sure my recent surgery would allow me to attend. Hope you can make it for the TNT this year, always enjoy flying with you. Mark Williams Garland, TX President Soaring League of North Texas LSF # 3792 Level III AMA # 5492 - Original Message - From: Tom Kallevang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mark Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 11:28 PM Subject: Reply: [RCSE] XC Strategies? Hi Mark, glad to hear the program is enjoying a resurgence in your area. For the LSF task levels, it's best to have as close to a straight out and back course as you can find. The more turns and jogs the chase vehicle has to follow increases the distance the pilot must fly to make the task. Task measurements should be as the crow flies, but many just use the odometer. A closed course like the old SOAR Great Race was legal for the 10K goal and return because the furthest point from the start/finish was more than 10K away, even though you flew 76 km! Lots of guys get their 2 hour Thermal and the 10K at the same time ... as long as you land back witrhin 200M, the flight counts for both tasks. For XC racing, it isn't as necessary to have straight lines, and our stab at scale aeortow XC at the Nats last year showed us a closed course can work very well. Upwind/downwind vs. crosswind ... depends on the day, the flier, the plane, etc etc etc. Down/up wind might be a little easier ... you can start upwind, catch a bubble and hit the course while climbing ... lift peters out and you head downwind looking for more. Start in the afternoon, with gradually reducing winds, and you get the wind at your back on the way out and a reduced headwind on the way back. Running the course crosswind will require a lot of zig-zagging resulting in a longer course to fly, tacking against the wind like a sailboat. Same deal in a way with heading upwind first ... Find youreself a sod farm at the crossroads of two paved but untraveled roads that are straight for 10K from the intersection in all ways ... you got it any which way. We have also set up winches on the side of the road and taken off from there ... you don't want to be doing a lot of launching this way. Watch out for dogs and shotguns if you trample the crops. Minimize your impact to your surroundings and land as near the road as possible, in other words, be a good neighbor. Hope this helps! Tom Kallevang Wheeling, IL LSF President Webmaster LSF #303 Level V #103 AMA L292 SOAR (Chicago) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] XC Strategies?
Hey you cross country guys, I am interested in hearing your thoughts on course layouts. I am primarily interested in the goal and return tasks for LSF. What makes more sense for the course layout for a goal and return, up wind-downwind or cross wind? Here in Dallas we are going to have to find a site that is out of the Metroplex for these tasks. I would like to make it as easy as possible for everybody to attain the goals, we appear to have a growing interest in LSF in our club as of late. By choosing a site wisely we can hopefully select the course direction relevant to the prevailing winds, the wind is usually N-S or S-N around here. TIA Mark W. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Ballast suggestions, Long!
Dan, What I have done in my Shappire is this. Make up some 1/2 K S brass slugs at the increments you want to be able to add weight. Fill with your weight of choice, lead shot/epoxy, tungsten powder, or melted tire weights. Obtain some Estes Rocket tubes, # BT-5. These have a nominal ID of .518, perfect for a slip fit on the K S tubing. Just do a search on the Net, found multiple suppliers or look in a good hobby shop if you can find one these days. Make a plug to close the aft end of the tube, so the slugs don't fly all the way to the tail feathers when inserted. I like lite-ply, light weight and bonds to the tubes with thin CA like crazy. If you want to really strengthen the tube wrap it with 1.5 oz. fiberglass cloth using CA. Or, you can just soak the inside with CA. If you CA the inside, you might need to ream the tube after the CA sets with a piece of 1/2 brass tube. I have done either and both, with both the cloth and CA the tubes are really STIFF and LIGHT. That is what I just recently installed in my Eraser. I recommend a brass tube collar CA'd to the paper tube where you plan to have a piano wire retainer to carry landing shock loads. The Eraser tube weighed less than 3/8 oz. with the collar. If you are installing this in the Sapphire I sold you and still have the pin type landing skeg, I would recommend two tubes. These go either side of the landing skeg. Make a bulkhead for the aft portion of the tubes and the forward portion of the tubes. Install all of this in your fuselage so the full ballast load rests at the CG. Don't you just love building a ship in a bottle? Now make up some 3/8 hard balsa spacers to your liking so you can use less than the full load. 3/8 balsa will fit perfectly if you just break the corners. Just make sure the spacers keep the ballast at the CG. I will also recommend that if you require a balsa spacer at the retainer pin like I do, CA a piece of brass shim stock on the end that contacts the piano wire retainer pin to prevent crushing when dorking. This is all easier to see than to write. The next time we meet up let me know so I can bring my Sapphire and show how it looks. This set-up allows me to carry 15.5 oz. of ballast in my Sapphire if desired. It's not an even pound because I am using the slugs I made 20+ years ago. The Eraser set-up carries the same load in one tube, all centered on my favorite CG. It's nice having only one ballast system in the flight box for all of your arrows! Mark W. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 7:03 PM Subject: [RCSE] Ballast suggestions Gent's I'd like to add a provision for ballast to my Sapphire. Looking for suggestions on tube/plug combinations that fit nicely. Didn't have a whole lot of luck at Home Depot. Dan RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Falcon 880 Help
Just saw your post, must have been caught in the e-mail time warp. More information is required to answer your question. I can tell you that the Falcon 880 had at least two different carry through configurations. The early versions had a straight hardened steel rod 11/32 in diameter. I believe the length was around 9. One of my club members had a early version. A later version that I currently own uses a 5 degree pre-bent 1/2 diameter aluminum carry through. Hope this helps. Mark W. - Original Message - From: ewilson12000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 5:09 PM Subject: [RCSE] Falcon 880 Help Local flyer bought a pristine Falcon 880. This is his first unlimited fullhouse plane. Problem is he has misplaced the wingrod. Can someone help with the correct diameter of the rod. Also if someone knows where we can get one ASAP it would be nice. Needs it to fly in the Mid-South in 21/2 weeks. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] F3J is not for me...or my Pikes :-(
Gordy, Nobody deserves the loss of two good airplanes in one weekend!! Sorry to hear about that. Now a sim is just that a sim. And, if I can get on my box, I think sims are one thing that has lead to the reduction in the participation in this wonderful hobby. Instant gratification and no consequences for your actions and decisions seem to be what drives our society now days. Burn me if you want to guys, but just hitting the reset button is too tempting for some people these days. What they miss is the satisfaction ofthe accomplishment one feels when they actually create/animate something that otherwise just sits there asan inanimate mass. Mark W. - Original Message - From: Cliff E-Mail To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 7:47 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] F3J is not for me...or my Pikes :-( Dearest Gordon, Perhaps you might want to consider going to the movies more and any of your flying could be done on a good simulator. Oh Yeah, of course we would want daily reviews of any simulator flights you had. Movie reviews would be helpful also. Yuz gets the flights yuz deserves Best wishes Clkff Lindgren From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 10:33 AMTo: Soaring@airage.comSubject: [RCSE] F3J is not for me...or my Pikes :-( Well flew my first F3J event and it was in Denver with Skip Miller. We had school kids paid to tow, and they were weak, giving me launches 30m less altitude I had wing connector problem on one launch disconnecting the aileron and that caused a double pop offzero. On another flight I was skied out another pilot came overand wemid airedhard, I got it down but it hit a fence pole and destroyed the wing. Today I did a test launch to get the new kids towing some experience. When I dove to get off the line they stopped towing and I over rotated some, the line wrapped around my vertical and sawed it off right at the stab pivot, and both popped off, and destroyed the entire plane. Tower cost $200 for the weekend, motel and rental car expense approx $800, two Pikes approx $1,100 and the flight out $450. F3J in the Rockies cost me pretty close to $4,000. Figure I got 4 actual flights in counting the practice flight...you do the math, I'm gonna be a little sick :-)Star Wars was great the other day though! Gordy
[RCSE] Apologies Lubos
I must recant one of my previous statements on the list, aluminum blind nuts, and send my apologies to Lubos the builder of the Eraser that I have. Messing about in my hobby room this morning I had the idea pop into my head again about the soft metal of the Eraser's blind nuts. Why not see if they are magnetic, I said to myself? So, I took a small refrigerator magnet I had on the work lamp shade to hold needles for opening CA bottles and popping MoneyKote bubbles. Low and behold it was attracted to the nut!! Seems the metal must be steel of some type. Don't know what the metallurgy is, but they still seem to be very soft since they stripped easily. Never the less if they are magnetic, they must not be aluminum as I previously surmised. Mark W. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] The Helicoils Done It
Well, thanks for the help guys. This week I installed some Helicoils in the two front blind nuts on my Eraser. Looks like it will work just fine. It was really hard trying to line everything up since the saddle surface is not perpendicular to the centerline of the threads. Also, what compounded the problem was that the nuts were so worn that a screw just flopped around in the hole. It isn't exactly perfect, but everything goes together without having to force it. It sure seems that the blind nut material is very soft aluminum. Even using a cutting oil the tapping process was very scary. The tap wanted to stick and I never turned more than 1/2 turn before reversing the direction to break the chips. Now that I have stainless steel threads there I don't expect any further problems. Why would anybody want to save a few .01's of a gram on something so critical? Anytime I have something that I expect to have many assembly cycles on it I would not want to use soft aluminum if I had an option. Anyway it's fixed now and for much less than a new fuselage. Mark W. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] New Soarer
Yep, I started flying an .049 powered Schoolmaster. After I learned how to get it up and down and learned a few stunts it was just boring holes in the sky, for me. The clean-up afterwards was really a chore. I know that many people love it, but glow/gas is not for me. Another thing I seem to notice about some of the guys that fly power and sailplanes around here is that they tend to horse the airplane around. They appear to be used to the power as a cover-up for inefficient flying. There is just something about a glider quietly spiraling up to a dot in a thermal and then hissing through the air in a high speed pass!!! Mark W. - Original Message - From: Bill Swingle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Zusi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] New Soarer Go to their field, watch them fly, talk to them. Looks like they do powered planes rather than gliders, but they'll still be a good resource. Yes, some power pilots can be good resources. But take everything you hear with a grain of salt. The level of ignorance at the power field is often pretty scary. Never talk airfoils with a power guy. As far they know, there's only three in existance. maybe you'll like the glow planes Ack! Once you get proficient with one, it'll get boring. Plus, there's cleaning the slime of the plane. Team Boring Slime. Pretty much says it all for me. I'll do it about once every two years with a friend. But that's only because there are no glider flyers in my area. Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Extreme ballast
Steve, I was using a 9 oz. rod that the previous owner supplied when I purchased the airplane. Part of how I discovered the stripped blind nut was I am replacing the original ballast system to the one I use on my other sailplanes. When checking the CG I discovered the stripped nut. Back years ago a flying buddy of mine showed me that Estes Rockets made a spiral wound paper tube that fit 1/2 K S tubing perfectly. I, back then, made my own 1/2 slugs by pouring lead into the K S tubes stood upright on a 2 x 4. Still have those slugs and use them in all of my other gliders which have the Estes tube in them. For the Eraser I made an Estes tube 13 3/4 long and wrapped it with 1 oz, fiberglass cloth. Made a brass tube collar for it to carry the cross pin locking mechanism loads, the whole assembly weighs 3/8 of an ounce ready to install. This will allow me to carry up to 15.5 ozs in roughly 5 oz steps. This system uses 3/8 square balsa as spacers to keep the ballast centered over the CG. BTW, I now have a Helicoil kit to repair the stripped blind nut. It also looks like the middle one is showing wear. So, I will be doing that before I finish my new ballast installation. Mark - Original Message - From: Steve Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 7:04 PM Subject: [RCSE] Extreme ballast I was wondering what other Erasure Extreme owners did for ballast. Anyone track down sources? Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Blind Nut Stripped
Help, the forward blind nut on my Eraser is stripped. Don't know how that happened, I have been very careful when tightening the screws on the wing. My Shop Theory book tells me that an 8-36 SAE machine screw has a major diameter .010 larger than the diameter of the Metric screws that came with my Eraser. Has anybody had a similar problem and found an easy solution? I am thinking of tapping the blind nut to accept an 8-36 cap screw since the 4.0 metric cap screw does not engage correctly. Mark RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Big Air in Big D
WOW, what a day of soaring in Dallas, Tx. The first day in months on the weekend where I can remember the winds being below 20 MPH. Plus, we had awesome thermal activity. Everybody that came out found good air. Dewayne had his new Icon specked and his dad Walter did the same to his Eraser. Arnold had his new, to him, modlie almost out of sight at more than one time. Gary was still playing with the hamster, but it too was specking. Bobby, one of the club hard workers, flew his Buteo until he wanted to come down. Dan still waiting for his new radio flew his newly acquired Artemis. Me, I flew my Eraser a few times and had fun playing connect the dots, until I ran out of battery. It was one of those days that attracted me to this hobby!! What great fun!!! Mark RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Soaring Today
Glad to hear you guys are able to fly. It's been warm here in Texas, but slightly breezy. 25 - 35 MPH seven out of the nine days so far this month!! And no slope anywhere in 100 miles, bummer. We have our third monthly contest today and the forecast is for it to build to 20 - 30 MPH with gusts to 35 again. And Chicago is the windy city? ;^) Mark - Original Message - From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Soaring Today Thanks for all the email guys, I'm glad many of us got out and got a chance to put a sailplane in the sky today. At 09:30 PM 4/9/2005, D Hauch wrote: Well after a great two days of spring flying here in the Midwest, I thought I better ask the significant other what she would like to do on Sunday, and she said ''would you like to go and do some speed runs together''I said, I guess. Life is Good! :-) Dave Hauch Mich. - Original Message - From: D Hauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Soaring Today Bob Burson and I hit our local sod farm for some great warm weather flying. Had a nice wind blowing in the morning so I loaded up the f3b winch with some new mono and was having a blast launching the X-21. Jack Strothers came out for his first flights off the year and had his Icon hooked up and out of sight in now time. Dave Hauch Mich. - Original Message - From: Tom Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Soaring Today New Furio maidened today here in SoCal. Didn't bring the F3B winch, since this was just initial tuning, CG fiddling, etc, so I flew off the club AMA winch. Some wind, maybe 10 MPH with the occasional gust higher. Once the hook position was set, got some monster launches, even with non-stretchy braided line. Got a reasonable starting point for more fine-tuning. A club mate was doing likewise with his new X21. Tom James V. Bacus wrote: Anybody else get some today? Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] AMA numbers
Bill, what do you mean by a long time ago? I have two airplanes I built and flew in contests in the late '70s. At my age the seventies doesn't seem that long ago. They both have my AMA number displayed on the right wing, which was the rule at the time. Don't know why the rule changed. BTW, I took a hiatus from the hobby in the eighties and when I came back the AMA wanted to give me a new number, since four digit numbers were reserved for CD's. I had been a CD back in the seventies. When I sent them a picture of my old airplanes they reissued me my old number which had not been reissued. Mark - Original Message - From: Bill Johns [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] AMA numbers At 02:14 AM 4/10/2005, you wrote: I wonder out loud whether numbers actually have merit... I seem to recall (it was a long time ago) that planes that were destine to compete in AMA sanctioned contests had to have the AMA number prominently displayed on a wing. Am I remembering that correctly? Was that ever a rule? It obviously isn't a rule now. If it were a rule, when did it change? Why?? Cheers, Bill Johns Goals are deceptive. The unaimed arrow never misses. Bill Johns Colton, WA USA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] OVSS Invitation...2 Meters?
WHAT??? More 2 meters that unlimited? What is wrong with you guys? :^) - Original Message - From: Denny Zech [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:20 PM Subject: [RCSE] OVSS Invitation Just got back from a wonderful day of flying (Is there any other) at the Loft Club contest. 21 flyers for 2 meter, 17 for unlimited. We are having a joint contest in 2 weeks with the MIST club at the AMA field as a sort of tune up for the upcoming OVSS season. We are welcoming any non-members to come and join us for a day of flying in Muncie. Mist will have winches set up and contesting on Saturday April 23rd with most of the LOFT members flying sunday April 24th. 2 meter in the morning on sunday with unlimited beginning around noon. we will have 6-7 winches set up for man on man flying. Cost is a whopping $1.00 per person. Trophies will be awarded to the top 3 places in unlimited. Come and join us if your in the area! Denny Zech LSF II RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Who's mailing in LSF Forms for level completion before the end of March?
I'm still on the Level IV. My form is crispy from sitting in the flight box for over 20 years. Need to get the "medium" goal and return. Started back filling the contest requirements at our first unlimited contest of the year in February, since I never finished that portion. Can't even think of 8 hours on a slope. I get images of Alan Shepard on the Redstone. What happens to your plane at that time? It could get even worse, with the TexMex food we have down here! Now how to make the G R? - Original Message - From: James V. Bacus To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] "Who's mailing in LSF Forms for level completion before the end of March?" Sure, all I need is that easy 8 hour slope and that walk in the park 10k X/C run.No problemo... At 05:58 PM 3/8/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lets here from all you next level wanna bees! :-)My form looks like it went thru the motel wash a few times...oh yeah it did.Gordy JimDowners Grove, ILMember of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537 LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net
Re: [RCSE] Tulsoar Club
Steven, Bob Peck, Dave Register and Denny Darnell are all members of TULSOAR and regular posters at this site. I'm sure that one of them should see your request. Here's the link to their web site. http://www.dozone.net/TULSOAR/ Mark Williams Soaring League of North Texas - Original Message - From: Steven [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 10:46 AM Subject: [RCSE] Tulsoar Club Does anyone know anybody in the Tulsoar club. I've been trying to get club info, but no response. If anyone knows a contact person, please advise. Thanks Steven N RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Dihedral affects upon wing span and area
When I attended the 1981 NATS in Seguin (New Braunfels for the soaring events), TX the check in for modified standard class required a measurement. The AMA official had a board with two dowels set vertically 100 apart. I did not measure these myself, but I assumed they were accurate. We were instructed to assemble our sailplane and then pass the wing through the dowels with the aircraft inverted. I knew at the time that my aircraft would pass since I had measured it upright for projected span. The method used at that NATS would allow for even more span since one could allow for slop in the carry thorough system. But, this is really splitting the proverbial C hairs. If you went out and practiced for a few more days one would more than compensate for the extra fractions of an inch wing span gained. Mark - Original Message - From: Chuck Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Dihedral affects upon wing span and area At 10:21 AM 2/15/2005, you wrote: - Original Message - From: Tim Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 2:24 PM Subject: [RCSE] Dihedral affects upon wing span and area For the purpose of official class rules, when is a 2-meter a 2-meter, or a Standard class ship 100 inches? And is the maximum allowable wing area for a ship like a Sagitta XC (which really toes the line on the max area limit) calculated in the flat or from the projected span after dihedral is added? It has always been projected span. At the 1980 Nats 2-meter pilots meeting, one of the contestants ask the CD if the wing span had to be less that 2 meter at rest or in flight. When the CD said the span was measured at rest, the contestant brought out a standard class model that had the outboard panels attached with hinge tape. At rest, the outboard panels hung down and the span was less than 2 meters. In flight, the air loads were supposed to hold the wings extended for an in flight wing span of 100 inches. The whole thing was a joke on the CD and the model was just a non flyable mockup. The CD was Gordon Pearson, a notorious practical joker. Wish I could remember the name of the modeler who got even with Gordon. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Bigger always better?...Long
In fear of throwing more fuel on the 2-meter debate I had to reply to the GPS group. When I came back to the hobby of RC flying, after my single channel Cox powered days in high school, soaring was what intrigued me. My college buddy and I were amazed at what could be done with an un-powered RC airplane. Having limited funds, keep in mind a four channel radio cost approximately $200, he started with a Mark's Models Wanderer, a 2-meter, and I started with a short lived Cox Sportavia. I wanted to get in the air quick, poor choice. We were also trying to teach ourselves to fly, another poor choice. However, after the demise of the Sportavia, I bought from a person at work an old White Trash for very little money. It was an unlimited ship and it was trashed or should I say well used? To a novice it was some what intimidating to fly such a large airplane. But, since I had little invested, which was the key take-away, I was not as concerned. The White Trash flew without much trouble, even though it was UGLY, but it was what got me hooked on thermal flying. I flew my first thermal flights with it before the gorilla high start a friend donated to us gave me my first experience of spar failure on launch. My buddy's Wanderer also eventually succumbed to launch over exuberance. While flying the White Trash my buddy and I were both building examples of Mark's Models Wanderer '99's. Once completed both of our less than unlimited size airplanes flew for many years and taught us how to fly. I rue the fact that the Standard and Modified Standard class died. My belief is that they were an excellent compromise of size and cost versus performance. The leveling factor is another element I thought was important. I still have two and fly one of the 100 airplanes I built in the early '80's. Flying an unlimited ship is great fun and I love my four examples that I have. But, I also have a 2-meter that I assembled from parts that performs very well, even though it challenges me in a different way. Hand launch started as an entry class and now has becomes almost as expensive as unlimited. In addition Discus launch requires a certain level of athleticism. RES has also become an event where bigger and more costly is better, most of the time. We need to still have an event or class that the novice feels comfortable in and not priced out of. Is 2-meter that class? I don't know, but I hope we don't kill it like we did the 100 class. Mark RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] SLNT Contest Schedule
Hello Guys, Due to unexpected circumstances our club, The Soaring League of North Texas has decided to drastically reduced the sanctioning of our events with the AMA. We will however, continue to have our monthly contests as in years past. Our club runs unlimited events from February though November. Hand launch events are planned every month of the year, usually on the third Sunday. So, do not expect to see our events advertised in Model Aviation. It was felt the only things gained by requesting a sanction was protection from other sailplane events in the region, of which there are few, the afore mentioned advertisement and the CD's compensation for running the event. Below is a link that will take you to our web site and our unlimited contest schedule for the up coming year. http://www.slnt.org/2005_contest_sched.htm Hope to see you guys during this next flying season. Keep the October 7-9 dates in mind for our annual big three day meet, the Texas National Tournament. BTW, we had some good flying conditions on this last Saturday, recorded 1,300' AGL on the RAM in the Eraser. Can't imagine flying a sailplane higher than 2,000', I think I need young guy's eyes. Sorry you missed it Gordy you were just out of phase with the weather, to use an old sailboat racing term. Mark RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] SLNT Contest Schedule
Chuck, I, as president of our club this year, am in the process of proposing that all participants in our club contests must have a current AMA membership. The club voted on this when I was unable to attend our January meeting. If you don't have an insurance card in Texas while driving a car you are violating the law. My feeling is that we need to consider it the same for flying a R/C airplane. Additionally, I am very sensitive to your concerns. Our flying sites have been certified with the AMA and we as such require AMA membership at any of our club events. But, since one of our fields is open to the public we cannot control access totally. Again, I am very emphatic that I will insist that all of our CD's lay eyes on current AMA membership before the participant is allowed to fly in a club contest. Mark - Original Message - From: Chuck Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mark Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] SLNT Contest Schedule At 05:32 PM 2/7/2005, you wrote: Hello Guys, Due to unexpected circumstances our club, The Soaring League of North Texas has decided to drastically reduced the sanctioning of our events with the AMA. We will however, continue to have our monthly contests as in years past. Our club runs unlimited events from February though November. Hand launch events are planned every month of the year, usually on the third Sunday. So, do not expect to see our events advertised in Model Aviation. It was felt the only things gained by requesting a sanction was protection from other sailplane events in the region, of which there are few, the afore mentioned advertisement and the CD's compensation for running the event. Below is a link that will take you to our web site and our unlimited contest schedule for the up coming year. snip I, for one, will never fly in an unsanctioned contest. I do not want to be anywhere near a flyer without insurance and that's the only way I can be sure that all fliers have insurance. Do you require an AMA license for your unsanctioned contests.? Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] SLNT Contest Schedule
Sorry, meant for all to see this. Mark - Original Message - From: Mark Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chuck Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] SLNT Contest Schedule Chuck, I, as president of our club this year, am in the process of proposing that all participants in our club contests must have a current AMA membership. The club voted on this when I was unable to attend our January meeting. If you don't have an insurance card in Texas while driving a car you are violating the law. My feeling is that we need to consider it the same for flying a R/C airplane. Additionally, I am very sensitive to your concerns. Our flying sites have been certified with the AMA and we as such require AMA membership at any of our club events. But, since one of our fields is open to the public we cannot control access totally. Again, I am very emphatic that I will insist that all of our CD's lay eyes on current AMA membership before the participant is allowed to fly in a club contest. Mark - Original Message - From: Chuck Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mark Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] SLNT Contest Schedule At 05:32 PM 2/7/2005, you wrote: Hello Guys, Due to unexpected circumstances our club, The Soaring League of North Texas has decided to drastically reduced the sanctioning of our events with the AMA. We will however, continue to have our monthly contests as in years past. Our club runs unlimited events from February though November. Hand launch events are planned every month of the year, usually on the third Sunday. So, do not expect to see our events advertised in Model Aviation. It was felt the only things gained by requesting a sanction was protection from other sailplane events in the region, of which there are few, the afore mentioned advertisement and the CD's compensation for running the event. Below is a link that will take you to our web site and our unlimited contest schedule for the up coming year. snip I, for one, will never fly in an unsanctioned contest. I do not want to be anywhere near a flyer without insurance and that's the only way I can be sure that all fliers have insurance. Do you require an AMA license for your unsanctioned contests.? Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Cell Phones and Synthesizers
A club member of mine just sent me an e-mail expressing concern for some information provided with his new synthesizer equipped EVO-9. Seems that they recommend that cell phones be kept more than 2 meters from the transmitter. Does anybody in this community have some first hand experience with this? Also, how critical is the issue since it may be difficult to control. I've even seen people at our fun flying site flying and talking on their cell phone at the same time. However, their transmitters were not EVO's or synthesizer equipped. Thanks, Mark RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] LSF3/Gordy and I'm Level III and you're not.
I heard that Dave. Been working on my Level IV since 8/22/81! All I lack is the goal and return, had my contest points but lost interest and failed to document them. ;^( That old form is getting a little crisp sitting in the bottom of my flight box! Since I live in the flatlands, did two one hour thermal flights instead of the slope requirement. It took almost two years to log that second hour flight. We also used to put together small impromptu contests for the Level II and Level III aspirants. If the day looked good we called around until we had enough to meet the entrant requirement. Sorry, Gordy the forecast this weekend, in Dallas, calls for winds in excess of 25 MPH on Saturday and temps barely making it into the 40's on Sunday. Hard to get enough interest for a contest with those conditions, especially since Thursday and Friday we had light winds and temps in the 70's. I had to work however and couldn't take advantage of those conditions, except to drive home from work with the top down in my Miata. Becoming a more skilled pilot, I believe is the whole idea behind the program. Not how fast one can accomplish the tasks. Mark - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:15 AM Subject: [RCSE] LSF3/Gordy **No big deal, no boasting to the whole world** On the other hand. I'm kinda proud of Gordy for making the effort. Is it bragging or advertising for LSF? I think it's raised some awareness of this excellent program and that's good. If there had been an impromptu Level 3 contest in Dallas, I'd have driven down just for kicks. (Cold front coming through this weekend around here) Way back when LSF was just getting off the ground, we used to hold a club event (ISS) out in Riverside just so new Level 2s could have their first contest close to home. Just call around until we had 5 pilots and off we went. Getting started is easy but completing the tasks requires a lot of commitment and enthusiasm. Glad to see Gordy, in his own inimitable way, is bringing that out. My Level 4 has been in progress for over 25 years. A recent 1 hr flight, and the threat that Gordy might beat me to 4, has got it going again. A goal and return and another 1 hr and it's done. Maybe if I fly with Gordy some day . lots of good hot air for that 1 hr.. H, - Dave R RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] LSF3/Gordy
Go for it Bill!! I really did enjoy the work I put into my Level III status. My intent is not to minimize the value of the LSF program. The Goal and Return I had to accomplish for Level III was amazing. It was eye opening at the time that an unpowered model could fly that far. This was done with a 3 channel original design poly ship back before 1981. Also, participating in the program did truly improve my flying skills. The logistics involved with attaining my Level IV and my failure to document previous achievements have made that level unattained so far. I have had that voucher since '81 with signatures of soaring icons who are no longer with us and they were instrumental in fostering my capabilities with what little knowledge I have of the sport. I happy with my accomplishments even though many times I fail to realize the potential that they saw in me. ;^( Guys, LSF is an excellent program that will rapidly improve your R/C Soaring skills. True some of the requirements are directly associated with contests. Contests do provide a reference to one's ability and knowledge of an activity that cannot be measured any other way. So, request your own voucher and begin to improve your own flying skills. Plus, go out to your local sailplane club's contest and just participate. You will learn new skills and I am sure you will find sages that will help you along as they did myself. Mark W. - Original Message - From: Bill Rakozy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 12:18 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] LSF3/Gordy Perception is reality! If you think you can't, YOU CAN'T ! I think I can, and I'm PLANNING ON IT! :) Bill Rakozy ;-) Soon to be LSF Level III -Original Message- From: Chuck Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 12:10 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF3/Gordy So? I 've been LSF Level IV since 1975 and have completed all contest work for Level V but have no interest in standing on a slope for 8 hours. Have flown over 2 hours as well as enough distance to satisfy those requirements but not when I could get them signed off. But why bother since I will never get the 8 hour slope flight. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: [Allegro-Lite] Re: Bonding Pushrod Housings
Wow, Jim that sounds like a great idea. I spent hours trying to get foam plugs to match up with the housing runs down my departed Graphite tailboom. If I build another airplane that uses pushrods inside of housings, I'll have to try that! Thanks, Mark W. BTW, we flew today in windy Texas. The temps were in the low 60's, but the winds were gusting over to 20 MPH at my house. Surprisingly the thermal activity was fairly good. Hope you guys had and will have a good holiday season. - Original Message - From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: [Allegro-Lite] Re: Bonding Pushrod Housings I used a similar method with cotton balls and CA. Stuff the cotton down the tube to the desired bulkhead position and then a few drops of CA soaked into the cotton it will make it like a rock. I did about a half dozen of these down the tube, very light and very strong. Jim At 10:41 AM 12/28/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon, I can't deny, as long as the extra weight of more than 3 foam bulkheads don't create a balance issue, that more bulkheads, 4 or 5, will no doubt result in better pushrod stiffness. My AVA elevator pushrod exits 2 forward of the elevator horn (on the boom top surface) and the rear bulkhead is 2 in front of the elevator pushrod exit point. The front bulkhead is about 1.5 behind the front edge of the boom proper. That allows a small amount of clearance between the #1 bulkhead and the aft edge of the pod as it fits inside of the boom. The resulting space between bulkheads is about 11. I also install a 1/2 balsa U shaped bulkhead to carry the aft end of the 20 mm ballast tube and provide support for the pushrod tubes at 8 forward of the #1 foam bulkhead. The end result of this installation provides excellent elevator and rudder response for my 40 oz AVA. If a similar length fuse were to be used on a higher performance sailplane then more than 3 bulkheads would be required to provide the necessary control respone, no doubt. I hope this disscussion helps those who have questions about pushrod support with these extra long fuselages like the AVA and Bubble Dancer. Jon, I hope you are enjoying the Christmas Season. Regards, Dave Corven. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Airhogs and X-Planes with ancient musings
Hey, guys we actually did have airplanes similar to what you describe in the early days. Full on full off controls and limited flight functions. We did have to put in much more effort to get airborne than just open a box however. :^0 My first experience in RC was back in high school. Where a neighbor and my memory is vague on this, but I believe his name was Bob who was an electrical engineer at Texas Instruments, helped me get started in this wonderful hobby. Without his help it may never had happened. The system he selected for me to put together comprised an Ace Commander transmitter with the pulse conversion kit, which I assembled that he debugged and tuned, a Citizenship SSH single channel receiver and an Adams Dual magnet actuator. I can remember at least a couple of nights in his shop, him at the oscilloscope and me walking up and down the alley with the debugged and now functioning x-mitter, tuning the receiver. This equipment was installed in a Top Flight Schoolmaster with a Cox Medallion .049. BTW, at his urging, I built the Schoolmaster without the landing gear to reduce weight which really seemed weird to me at the time. In flying mode the engine ran and the airplane climbed until it was out of fuel. The airplane was trimmed to climb under power and glide without zooming up or down in each flight mode. To prevent a zoom and subsequent stall rudder inputs were used to turn the aircraft out of the zoom before the stall occurred. The Adams actuator provided rudder only control. The rudder banged from side to side continuously at neutral and we found later that the best control was available by using the full right/left buttons, even though the conversion kit supposedly provided proportional control. How long the button was held determined the amount of control input. The radio gear, with assembly manuals, and the engine are still with me in my can't throw out box. Many days of wonder and enjoyment watching and flying that airplane are still in my memories. Now that I know what I know about thermal soaring I had some flights where I thermal soared that little rig. Yes, the initial days of trimming and setup were frustrating for a young man in high school, but it taught me what is required to successfully accomplish a complex project. This is lacking in our now instant gratification society, aka, just hit the reset button and all is repaired. It was truly different many years later after college when I came back to the hobby and bought my first four channel proportional radio system for only about twice as much as I spent on that original radio! With all the wonderful memories, challenges, and accomplishments this hobby has provided, I am truly indebted to that neighbor. Hope all had a wonderful Christmas and your New Year is to your expectations. Now to go out and fly it's supposed to be in the 50's today with light winds here in Texas. Mark W. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Interesting Club Traditions
Yep, Chuck you are right, we can't fly comfortably year round here. We actually have two building seasons here in Dallas. Late December through March, when you are lucky to find a weekend when the temps get into the 50's and the winds are below15 MPH. The other is July through Mid-September when only an idiot would stand out in the direct sunlight flying model airplanes after 10:00 AM and before 8:00 PM. :^0 One does, however have a weekend like last weekend, before the white stuff fell yesterday. Two days in a row of winds below 10 MPH, temps running from the 30's in the morning to the upper 50's and 60's at mid afternoon. BTW the thermal activity was awesome! Mark - Original Message - From: Chuck Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Interesting Club Traditions At 02:03 PM 12/23/2004, you wrote: I'm missing something here... Why would anyone want to be where you can't comfortably fly year 'round? Merry Christmas from the south side of Texas...8^)... Jack Womack --- Bill Rakozy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't know you could fly comfortably year around in Texas. I spent 5 years on active duty in the Air Force and my only foreign duty was Texas. I remember summers in Hondo and Bryan Texas. Neither had comfortable flying weather for either models or real ones in July and August. Winter wasn't too bad between northerners Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Re: Mirage Correction
Dave, I hate to admit it but I was around during the time of the Mirage. The single sided elevator and asymmetric vertical stabilizer planform really bothered me at the time. A real airplane needs to be symmetrical. So, I never was drawn to the design. The Blom and Voss designs from WWII really question this, but I still am a purist. In addition floaters only have a few days per year here in Texas where they really have an advantage and at the time the Mirage was a floater. The comment about Hi Johnson really hits home. His designs were more close to what I thought we needed here in the central US. My gray matter now fails me, but as I recall you have it right his designs were high AR, loading and camber. Even though I looked at them as a option, nobody I knew of built or flew one in our area before I took a hiatus from the hobby. About the same time Don Chancey was developing his Pantera design. This airplane used the new Eppler airfoils and the really new, for us here in the desolation of Texas, balsa over foam D tube construction. When I designed and built my own sailplane during that era that is the direction I went. By the way I am still flying that airplane, and it was at the last TNT and I am still very satisfied how the airplane performs if the pilot moves the sticks the right direction. No slam on the anti-composite crowd, but I think that construction technique was a milestone. Mark W. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 9:02 AM Subject: [RCSE] Re: Mirage Correction Well, memory serves but only partly. With input from a couple of guys who also witnessed this event at SULA (thank you all for the corrections and the memories), the Mirage with carbon spar caps was NOT Don Edberg's. Apologies to Don (who has written and flown great stuff over the years). I'll leave the corrected name out for reasons of liability! However, it was a pretty spectacular event! That said, the Mirage is one of the neater ideas that came along in that era. Blaine did a great job with the basic concept and added a number of innovative ideas to enhance the overall design. At the time (my opinion only) there were three developing approaches to thermal soaring. One of them was traditional - the Paragon, Oly IIs, Windrifter, etc ultimately leading up to the Sailaire. Big floaters with lots of area and high lift (Clark-Y ish) airfoils. The other was the concept Blaine was developing - light wing loading, not very high aspect ratio, and a lower camber section that could float and cruise nicely. The third was Hi Johnson's - very high aspect ratio and wing loading with high camber airfoils to carry the loads. All worked in their own way. Interesting to observe that all of these were displaced by composite ships a few years later. Technology does make a difference and can alter the landscape very quickly. Nice to see some of these designs coming back. They were neat ships that worked well. Apologies again to Don. But if you've gotta crash, please do it in a spectacular manner. I do my best sometimes but, other than looping my Albatross around the left wing on the power lines at Pasadena a long time back, nothing particularly memorable of late. Jeff N's 'extreme verticality' landing at the NATS a few years ago was certainly notable. Merry Christmas to all. - Dave R RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Video camera on Eagles shoulders
Wow, that was cool wished I had seen the original program!! Mark - Original Message - From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 1:22 PM Subject: [RCSE] Video camera on Eagles shoulders I believe I won't be the only person that finds the video clips on this web page interesting... Discovery channel mounted some tiny video cameras on an Eagle and the footage is amazing! http://media.animal.discovery.com/convergence/spyonthewild/birdtech/birdtech.html Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] NIB 2M Super V -- for trade
LOL, I have a Super V 2M clone that I love but will also gladly trade for an Icon Lite Mark - Original Message - From: Bill Johns [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 9:35 PM Subject: [RCSE] NIB 2M Super V -- for trade At 07:19 PM 12/2/2004, you wrote: Yes, that goes for me as well If any Super V 2M are out there... shoot me some pictures of what you have and we'll take it from there... I just can't let all this interest in a Super V 2 meter go by without making an offer: I have a NIB, (yeah, really) Super V 2 meter. Will trade for NIB Icon light or NIB Evolution. (Contact me off line if interested.) Cheers, Bill Johns RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] WTB Eraser or Stratos
Due to the internal clock running out, much earlier than I had hoped, in my Graphite I am searching for a new contest ship for next season. I would like to obtain, if possible, either an Eraser Extreme D-box or a Stratos SL. If somebody has one of these they would like to sell please contact me off of this exchange. I don't need a ship that is perfect, just one that has not been abused or crashed and requires major repairs. TIA Mark RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Antenna Wire
Does anybody have a good source for receiver antenna wire? I have 3 receivers that I would like to replace the wire on. One was in my Graphite and I extended it to 1/4 wave length outside of the fuselage using one conductor I stripped from some Hitec servo wire. I would prefer to obtain a reasonable quantity of single conductor wire. Thanks, Mark RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] The Zoom?
George, I have many times used the additional energy from the zoom to gain distance upwind, thus a shallower than vertical pull up. Which is why, I guess I tend toward that zoom profile in the range of 45 to 60 degrees. So, your comment confirms some of my initial deductions on this subject. Sometimes here in the breezy Midwest even carrying ballast it is difficult to cover enough air upwind of the desired landing point. It would still seem to me that if the lift vector is horizontal that equates to lost energy or altitude. Jim, The two articles from DP and JW were very informative and greatly appreciated. I have flown with both of these men at the TNT and with JW at the Last Fling of Summer as well. They both know of what they speak. They truly do launch high and I do not recall, all though the old gray matter may be failing, seeing either go vertical after leaving the line. I have gone to similar set-ups to what they both describe for the towed portion of the launch. Full span equal camber, a fairly aft tow hook position and an elevator preset that allows hands off towing in almost any wind condition. But, that applies to the towing portion of the launch, not the zoom or kinetic energy to altitude conversion portion of the launch. I would really like to learn how to optimize that portion, since I am satisfied I can usually get what I want while on the line. Joe's mention of climb out at around, but greater that 60 degrees begins to touch on what I am interested in learning about. Mark W. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] The Zoom?
OK, I'm no engineer, aerodynamicist or a physicist but the question I would like to pose to the collective knowledge concerns the zoom after release from the tow line. If this has been discussed ad nausium previously, please let me know. I have seen many techniques for this period before the aircraft slows to normal airspeed. Some pull up into a vertical ascent, others climb at an angle some where between 45 and 60 degrees and others just come off the line and let the aircraft climb as if it was not piloted. I know that many factors apply, total drag of the air frame, the amount of kinetic energy at release, airfoil lift, ETC. What puzzles me is that my practical experience would indicate that if the lift vector from the airfoil is not directed upwards, one is losing the advantage to be gained from the wing moving through the air. I.E, if the vector is horizontal, the airplane is not using that force to increase the eventual launch height. This would tend to suggest that a completely vertical climb out after release is less than ideal. Flying a Sapphire with Fred Sage CGT wings for the last few years I tend toward the 45 to 60 degree profile, which seems to work reasonably well. What is the ideal profile, or is it totally dependant on the design of the specific aircraft? Mark Williams RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
