Re: [RCSE] New post: hi starts
Dallas 1983, 20 mph winds something told me it is not a good day to go flying, but I did anyway (I was young and foolish back then) I had a Gentle lady, I stetched out the hi start like I normaly do and as soon as I let go of it it went straight up and back behind me, it happened so fast that I didn't even have enough time to apply down elevator. At about 300-400 feet of altitude the wing folded with a loud bang, and the fuse spiraled down and the nose got buried about 6 underground. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tom Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, time to change the subject from trashing everyone and each other- --- its a friendly sport. What is your favorite hi-start story-- not winch, high start. Crashes, short high start setups, 2M 3M etc, Share some knowledge and fun stories Thanks for the BW tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] New post: hi starts
Looking back, I would never do this again, but I built a Top Flite Antares and installed a captive release towhook on it - I think that's called compounding your problem. Anyway, I was very green, very nervous, and my first couple flights were not much more than hops off the line (at the West Carrollton field for some of you old time Dayton fliers). I eventually got my nerve up, and my brother and I took it out to a large field / parking lot outside of town. Needless to say, the captive release failed to release on the first hard launch I still have the image of this huge (to me, at the time) ship flying control-line style, my brother yelling at me to release... I eventually ended up with the plane flying at me, full speed, about 5 feet off the ground from the far end of the line. I guess I panicked because the last thing I remember of the flight was the plane violently going up and down 5 and 11 feet respectively, pancaking on the parking lot, and pieces of plane sliding to my feet. The way the wing flexed at the end, it almost looked like it was flapping like hell, futilely trying to avoid the pavement. I've done the other big faux pas's, RX off, wrong program, etc, but this one still stands out as my most memorable histart mishap. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE:[RCSE] New post: hi starts
There is a short thread on monster bungees (What's with this bungee stuff) in the Hand Launch forum of RCGD Groups. Phil in Vancouver, I would like to quote your Eraser story there if you don't mind. TIA. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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I've been there too Al! A bungee's life is kinda hard and they don't give too much warning before letting go. The last time I got hit, the clevis broke and left a sharp edge. That edge ripped my shirt and drew blood where it hit me in the gut. It's worse when a bungee is being used by slopers. They don't take very good care of the things and they tend to stretch the rubber way too much! Sadly you tend to stand right in the gun barrel while doing it! Guess the stories about slopers are true. They aren't too smart. You know Charlie MacMurry of the SF bay area at the time, now Sacramento, held the BASH record of being smacked the most by bungee's. He was hit by everybody's bungee. Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] New post: hi starts
Sure, Canadians love to laugh at themselves. ;) Phil -Original Message- From: Walter Carter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 18, 2005 7:03 AM To: Soaring Subject: RE:[RCSE] New post: hi starts There is a short thread on monster bungees (What's with this bungee stuff) in the Hand Launch forum of RCGD Groups. Phil in Vancouver, I would like to quote your Eraser story there if you don't mind. TIA. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] New post: hi starts
A few years ago I built a Klingberg wing. Although I intended it for slope soaring, I chose to use my trusty upstart for the initial test flights. After a few hand tosses seemed to show that the CG and elevons were set up right I hooked the tow hook to the chute of the upstart and stretched it out. I guess I didn't quite have the tow hook in the right place because when I released the model it went up about fifteen feet then started a high speed and very tight flat spin still hooked onto the line. It went around about four rotations then released from the line shooting out in a 90 degree bank at surprisingly high speed flying parallel to the ground to the right. This did a real good simulation of a pucker-factor 9 situation for me and I was fortunate enough to make the right control inputs to save the model. When I landed, my son, who was the only one watching was in complete shock but soon broke into peels of laughter followed by the inevitible, Do that again! I adjusted the tow hook as far forward as the setup would allow, but this only delayed the onset of the condition to higher altitudes. The model would still spin then randomly squirt off the upstart in whatever direction would cause the most confusion and test my ability to recover. I took the thing home and created a more forward tow hook location, but didn't use it right away. The next day's flying session offered me a chance to show off my new trick to my friends who all immediately lined up to try it themselves. That model and the upstart gave us some real laughs and excitement. And amazingly enough, we never crashed it. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] New post: hi starts
Not counting aerotow, my best thermal times, 1:17:00 and 1:21:00werefrom a Hobby Lobby red rubber hi-start...witha Wanderer! That was way back in '79. Too bad I was only a LSF Level I pilot. Wish I could fly that well now Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides!
RE: [RCSE] New post: hi starts
Two bad ones in a row... Three years ago I was really just getting into sailplanes and had been appropriately steered toward an EPP glider as my first RC airplane. I had made a beginners mistake and mounted the on/off switch on the outside of the fuse. Predictably I launched the plane and it did a wonderful hispeed arc right into the ground. Wondering what happened I ran over to the plane, picked it up, turned it back ON, wiggled the servos and stretched the histart back out again. I went back to launch again and the same thing happened! Except this time in my frustration I threw my hands high in the air... and my transmitter went flying out of my hands, ending up about 20 feet away (luckily only the antenna tip ended up in a puddle)! Fortunately both the plane and TX were fine. I have since learned the joys of the Hollyday switchjack, and have installed it on all my planes. Gotta love EPP... two crashes at what looked like 60 mph... and only a dimpled nose to show for it. -Original Message- From: Tom Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat 4/16/2005 8:59 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] New post: hi starts OK, time to change the subject from trashing everyone and each other its a friendly sport. What is your favorite hi-start story-- not winch, high start.Crashes, short high start setups, 2M 3M etc, Share some knowledge and fun stories Thanks for the BW tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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I have a couple of highstart stories: It was 1985 and I had completed my first RC airplane. It was a Drifter II and I couldn't have been happier. The radio I had was a 2 channel car radio on an airplane frequency. Rudder was on the right stick and elevator was on the left. Anyway, after a couple of flights by an experienced friend and a couple of flights by me and a couple of weekends later, I noticed the rudder was a little out of trim. Being 12 years old at the time, I didn't think too much of it until after it's next launch. The plane left my hand, went about 15 feet up, did a hamerhead stall turn and plowed into the ground. It destroyed the nose all the way to the leading edge of the wing. I spent the entire next week making the fuselage look exactly like it did when I finished it. On its first launch after I repaired it (I never bothered to straighten that rudder out) the same thing happened again! A friend took the plane home with him, made the nose bullet proof and straightened out the rudder. I had several flights on that plane and I vow that when I stop moving I'll own another one. My second story happened just south of Atlanta, GA in 1998. I had just finished a 2M Banshee that had open class stabs on it (I didn't know they were open class stabs until I saw another Banshee and wondered why my kit came with them). Anyway, I was too cheap/lazy to join the local club so I decided to go out on my own. I found a field in back of a school that was the exact length of my highstart and infested with red ants. Long story short, I didn't have enough pull on the highstart to properly launch the plane and didn't care because my hands and ankles were being bitten by red ants. I don't know why I thought everything would be better if I tried to launch the plane. The plane went up about 20 feet or so and stalled. The highstart somehow had enough pull to drive the airplane into the ground wingtip first. The only thing damaged was the right wingtip and I repiared it, moved to San Antonio, TX and had dozens of flights with that plane. Morals of the stories: 1. Do a thorough preflight before each launch! 2. If you're being bitten by red ants: 1, don't launch because the ants will probably keep biting you while your plane is in the air and 2, destroy every red ant mound in sight! Mike Las Vegas, NV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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Well...I do I have a story. Kinda hurts to tell ya all.. A few years back I'm thinking the First SVSS Spring Fling... I had one of Pat Bowman's fomies a Cutlass slope ships.. I believe I got the Monster bungee i.e. Big Black thing from Mark Meck when I was at CASL contest earlier in the year.. I had a wild idea to do hi speed bungee launching with little slope planes I saw lots of folks doin it so I thought I can do this it's fun and way fast!!! So I set my Cutlass up for Hi speed bungee fun I had been practicing at my home field and Wow! it was fast fun... So I had a wild idea to show off to all the guys @ SVSS Well right before the contest I set up my Bungee toys for ALL to see, and see they did! I hooked up my Cutlass and started walking back till that big old bungee started to drag me forward.. Ready set go. Well the bungee let go all right! Next thing I know is a funny sound and this Big Black thing coming at me at Mac 6 to fast to duck I stand in awe and I'm hit from top to bottom by the Hi Start Rubber!!! Let me tell ya all... This is NOT a good thing! I lay there in PAIN! I was Black, Blue, Green from head to toe it looked like a snake hit me. Oh and yes it hit me in that spot also.. I don't know how long I lay there in pain... but I crawled back to my truck and laid there till I was called to fly in the contest. Let's say it wasn't my best contest I don't play with Bungee cords anymore. Hurting as I type. AL Albert E. Wedworth ( AL ) ERA Capshaw Realestate REALTOR- ASSOCIATE Cell 530-228-9445 Fax 530-343-1715 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.15 - Release Date: 4/16/2005 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] New post: hi starts
-Original Message-From: Albert E. Wedworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] New post: hi starts I believe I got the Monster bungee i.e. Big Black thing from Mark Meck when ... Albert E. Wedworth ( AL ) I also have a Monster Bungee story. After purchasing a beat-up Eraser, I found my Standard size bungee just wouldn't do it. I purchased a Monster Bungee from Mark and on arrival couldn't wait to try it out. My first flight was a trial run at a small stretch (one times the length). Everything seemed fine and the Eraser popped up nicely without any wobble on launch. Time for the full meal deal. Hook on and walked back. The Walk got a little tough towards the end (ie 3 times the length) but even at 6'1 220 lbs I had to lean into it a bit. Finally I turned around to face the stake and got ready to throw, arm back, check controls, arm really hurts, slip a bit in the wet grass, wide track the legs, still upright, arm back again, uh oh, the bungee is pulling me back, level the wings quick, let go, DUCK, wing takes off my hat and gives me a good thump, down I go, look down field, plane going up (thank God), sitting on my butt, watching the plane go straight up and rocketing toward the stake, pops off as if this is normal. Mark did warn me that this bungee would launch a sofa, now I believe him. Phil in Vancouver RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] New post: hi starts
My favorite is also rather embarrassing. When I was younger, I built a series of Gentle Lady gliders. My first ended in disaster shortly after getting finished. I used to fly in the back yard of a junior high school. There was plenty of room to fly there. I had flight-tested the Gentle Lady with a few hand launches, trimmed it out, etc. At the time, I knew nothing of tow hook under the CG, I just put it where the manufacturer said it should have been. To this day, I still do not know what I did wrong, but... I stretched out the surgical tubing, hooked onto the glider, and let it go. It went up, kinda/sorta stalled, nosed over to the left, and went straight down to the ground. After hitting pretty hard, it was then dragged along the grass, through a football dummy (pieces flew everywhere!), through another dummy, and finally came to rest as the rubber no longer had any stretch in it. There seemed to be more balsa and Monokote scattered throughout the field than I ever remember seeing in the box. Needless to say, my newfound fear of hi-starts encouraged me to build and mount a .049 engine pod for the next Gentle Lady I built. Ironically, I also have had my best flight with a hi-start. Last summer, I had my first hour+ flight (about 1:20, this time a 7037 Compulsion) off a hi-start. - Dave _ From: Tom Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 17:59 To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] New post: hi starts OK, time to change the subject from trashing everyone and each other its a friendly sport. What is your favorite hi-start story-- not winch, high start. Crashes, short high start setups, 2M 3M etc, Share some knowledge and fun stories Thanks for the BW tom attachment: winmail.dat
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I have flown almost exclusively from high starts. Fly everything from HL size to 3 meter. I built a Skeeter several years ago, (still have the wing). I expected to fly it off the highstart as well as by javelin launch, so built the wing with extra shear webbing. My first flight of this little plane was eye-popping from a launch standpoint. The 2m highstart, stretched just as it would be for a 2m plane, shot that thing up the line like a rocket. By all rights, I should have folded the wing, but it held up fine. It was a pretty neat little plane and pretty easy to fly. Flew it for about 3 years, launching it with the 2m NSP pinnacle. I couldn't do anything with it on HL but hurt my arm. It never broke on the highstart, but over time the fuse sort of disintegrated from bad landings; several broken tail episodes finally took their toll. Currently I fly with a half size highstart at a small power field. I fly mostly during the week when there is not any power pilots to aggravate. I did finally buy a mini high start for the 1.5m HLG's. I've had my share of pop-offs, which are always exciting whether off a winch or a highstart. EJ - Original Message - From: Tom Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 7:59 PM Subject: [RCSE] New post: hi starts OK, time to change the subject from trashing everyone and each other its a friendly sport. What is your favorite hi-start story-- not winch, high start.Crashes, short high start setups, 2M 3M etc, Share some knowledge and fun stories Thanks for the BW tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
