RE: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Angus Davidson]

Hi Luceric

I am aware it still downloadable ;)  There are still many places where that is 
still not a viable option(one of the reasons your still able to request the 
subscriptions on actual media instead of download) It would be nice if they 
could update it from the 7.5 version as well.

Kind regards

Angus

From: Luc-Eric Rousseau [luceri...@gmail.com]
Sent: 22 July 2013 07:33 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk 
webiste

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Angus Davidson
 wrote:
> Softimage even used to ship with a free digital tutors CD in.

downloadable here?
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?siteID=123112&id=15505750&linkID=12544118
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Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Daniel Brassard]

Just notice this book updated to 2014. Very basic but can help new students
and others transitioning to Softimage.

Autodesk Softimage 2014: A
Tutorial-Approach<http://www.amazon.com/Autodesk-Softimage-2014-Tutorial-Approach/dp/1936646560>

I wish they would update the Production Serie CDs. Learned a lot from those
CDs



On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Angus Davidson
wrote:

>  If I can just chime in from an education point of view.
>
>  Firstly I will say they have been getting better, but in the 6 years we
> have used Softimage the overall learning resources have been abysmal
> compared with the likes of Maya and 3Dmax. Both from a visibility and just
> easily availability. Yes there have been some awesome third party ones done
> and many have been shown on this list they haven't always been easy to find
> (sometimes you have to wade through a lot of crap unless you know of the
> exact artist).
>
>  Its a complaint we have had from students pretty much every year. Most
> students end up purchasing a digital tutors sub because they now have some
> really good Softimage stuff. Its not always about whether something is
> available, but whether its in a place that your person just starting out
> can find it.
>
>  Softimage even used to ship with a free digital tutors CD in.
> Unfortunately those have become fairly dated (although still in very active
> use by our students as fundamentals remain the same. There have been very
> many discussions over the last few years (quite heavily before 2014 was
> released)  about how a lot of folks don't feel they are getting value from
> their subscriptions. Something as simple as the DT intro courses bundled
> with it would be a massive gamechanger as far as education is concerned.
>
>  I dont think anyone is suggesting dumbing down the software is a
> solution but I do think Andy has a big point in that if we are to gain more
> folks using Softimage there needs to be more ways to get people past the
> initial hump.
>
>
>  --
> *From:* Andy Moorer [andymoo...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 22 July 2013 03:25 AM
>
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on
> Autodesk webiste
>
>   Whoa, hold on. I'm not suggesting Softimage try to become C4D... I'm
> just pointing out that they have done a great job of gaining new users by
> eliminating the fear of the learning curve and by putting effort into
> smoothing the barriers for new untechnical artists.
>
>  But not hobbyists, artists, ones who are professionals, perhaps not
> technical directors but lets face it we as TDs are creating these people's
> visions, and many people who start out clueless with any tool of any kind
> of complexity end up doing amazing and sophisticated work in a few short
> years.
>
>  I agree with you that in many ways C4D is a dead end when those people
> get to a point where their ideas outstrip its capabilities as a production
> tool. Heck, the discovery by small studios and creatives that C4d can't cut
> it past a certain point is where my most recent paychecks as a hired gun
> have originated.
>
>  So why not pave the way for those same talented people to get into
> Softimage, not by diverting the development of the software itself but by
> putting significant effort into demonstrating via educational resources
> like tutorials how easy it is to do very impressive graphics work with
> minimal training, using Softimage?
>
>  You don't have to dumb down the software to appeal to nontechnical
> people, you just have to recognize that many of these people are not
> natural self-trainers and give them guidance to get rolling. Those
> "nontechnical" people aren't dumb, and might just find themselves going
> further than they could have ever foreseen.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 21, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Raffaele Fragapane <
> raffsxsil...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> In all honesty, if Soft was to go down the route C4D went in the last
> four years I'd move away from it in a hurry.
>  This isn't some kind of mis-placed elitism, it's more that the appeal to
> the MCD of the app becomes more apparent each version, and while it's very
> fast and practical at doing many small things, it's growing sclerotically
> dysfunctional at the bigger picture and it's developed an extremely narrow
> sighted user-base.
>
>  There's also a big Apple factor to its success in that field unrelated to
> the situation you outline that shouldn't be left out of the picture.
>
>  C4D is more likely to still be a product in three years, for sure, but
> it's lost all chances to 

Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Luc-Eric Rousseau]

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Angus Davidson
 wrote:
> Softimage even used to ship with a free digital tutors CD in.

downloadable here?
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?siteID=123112&id=15505750&linkID=12544118

RE: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Angus Davidson]

If I can just chime in from an education point of view.

Firstly I will say they have been getting better, but in the 6 years we have 
used Softimage the overall learning resources have been abysmal compared with 
the likes of Maya and 3Dmax. Both from a visibility and just easily 
availability. Yes there have been some awesome third party ones done and many 
have been shown on this list they haven't always been easy to find (sometimes 
you have to wade through a lot of crap unless you know of the exact artist).

Its a complaint we have had from students pretty much every year. Most students 
end up purchasing a digital tutors sub because they now have some really good 
Softimage stuff. Its not always about whether something is available, but 
whether its in a place that your person just starting out can find it.

Softimage even used to ship with a free digital tutors CD in. Unfortunately 
those have become fairly dated (although still in very active use by our 
students as fundamentals remain the same. There have been very many discussions 
over the last few years (quite heavily before 2014 was released)  about how a 
lot of folks don't feel they are getting value from their subscriptions. 
Something as simple as the DT intro courses bundled with it would be a massive 
gamechanger as far as education is concerned.

I dont think anyone is suggesting dumbing down the software is a solution but I 
do think Andy has a big point in that if we are to gain more folks using 
Softimage there needs to be more ways to get people past the initial hump.



From: Andy Moorer [andymoo...@gmail.com]
Sent: 22 July 2013 03:25 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk 
webiste

Whoa, hold on. I'm not suggesting Softimage try to become C4D... I'm just 
pointing out that they have done a great job of gaining new users by 
eliminating the fear of the learning curve and by putting effort into smoothing 
the barriers for new untechnical artists.

But not hobbyists, artists, ones who are professionals, perhaps not technical 
directors but lets face it we as TDs are creating these people's visions, and 
many people who start out clueless with any tool of any kind of complexity end 
up doing amazing and sophisticated work in a few short years.

I agree with you that in many ways C4D is a dead end when those people get to a 
point where their ideas outstrip its capabilities as a production tool. Heck, 
the discovery by small studios and creatives that C4d can't cut it past a 
certain point is where my most recent paychecks as a hired gun have originated.

So why not pave the way for those same talented people to get into Softimage, 
not by diverting the development of the software itself but by putting 
significant effort into demonstrating via educational resources like tutorials 
how easy it is to do very impressive graphics work with minimal training, using 
Softimage?

You don't have to dumb down the software to appeal to nontechnical people, you 
just have to recognize that many of these people are not natural self-trainers 
and give them guidance to get rolling. Those "nontechnical" people aren't dumb, 
and might just find themselves going further than they could have ever foreseen.

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 21, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Raffaele Fragapane 
mailto:raffsxsil...@googlemail.com>> wrote:

In all honesty, if Soft was to go down the route C4D went in the last four 
years I'd move away from it in a hurry.
This isn't some kind of mis-placed elitism, it's more that the appeal to the 
MCD of the app becomes more apparent each version, and while it's very fast and 
practical at doing many small things, it's growing sclerotically dysfunctional 
at the bigger picture and it's developed an extremely narrow sighted user-base.

There's also a big Apple factor to its success in that field unrelated to the 
situation you outline that shouldn't be left out of the picture.

C4D is more likely to still be a product in three years, for sure, but it's 
lost all chances to become a platform.

ZBrush I don't believe should feature in the comparison and context at all, 
it's a singular, field defining blip in history that has little to nothing in 
common with the availability of education or its target, and it results from a 
singular and very left field vision to begin with.

I can't say I have seen such complex work done in C4D by all these amazing 
artists either. I've seen a lot of small bits recombined any and every way, 
sure, but most of it is painfully obvious as a form of thinking particles kit 
bashing. Compared to the original FX work done in Soft, Maya or Houdini for 
commercials and titles (IE: G-Star Raw work by Glassworks) it's way below par.

They've seriously pigeonholed themselves, but 

Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Raffaele Fragapane]

There's a big gap between that and the piecemeal path cinema 4D has taken
:) QWERTY is also more used than the normal interaction model around here
BTW.
On 22 Jul 2013 19:43, "Martin"  wrote:

> Having official educational material oriented to new artists doesn't
> necessarily imply that the technical level and quality as a platform will
> have to decrease.
>
> You still need non technical average designers, artists, lots of them to
> produce CG. From 10 SI users I know about 9 of them doesn't know or use ICE
> regularly and 8 of them can't script at all. (most of my acquaintances are
> modelers or animators).
>
> You don't necessarily need ICE, specially in games. I rarely use it at
> work. SI without ICE is still a pretty solid platform for modeling and
> animation.
>
> We have less SI users every year. Even in Japan where SI is supposed to be
> slightly stronger than other countries, I don't know a single school that
> is teaching SI. Last time I have met a just graduated SI user in Tokyo was
> about 4 years ago and that school doesn't exist anymore.
>
> If you only focus your market in TDs and advanced users, you won't have
> new seats and without new seats the software will eventually die.
>
> Educational texts for Maya users could help to convert them, or make our
> lives easier when we need them to use SI from time to time. The QWERTY
> keyboard mapping was an interesting move back then, but since both are
> Autodesk products it just doesn't make sense now.
>
> Martin
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 2013/07/22, at 10:48, Raffaele Fragapane 
> wrote:
>
> I wasn't imply you suggested Soft becomes C4D :)
> I'm suggesting that if you drag in the MCD by its heels and it becomes the
> majority of your user base, then the development will have to cater to
> those and gradually lose the more technical userbase, in an infinite cycle
> that leaves you with C4D and Lightwave and their userbases.
>
> At the opposite end of the spectrum in successful education shaping the
> community into a self-feeding loop: Houdini, which bred a fiercely loyal
> userbase that makes the software look a lot better than it really is.
>
> I like the balance in the middle that Soft caters to, I like its current
> userbase and communities, and I'd like to see that extended and the app
> continue with a certain philosophy that I doubt would remain healthy after
> trying to pull in any and every artist who can't be bothered learning ICE
> and would rather have an app with a million pre-canned effects and filters.
>
> Again, this isn't some mis-placed elitism, this is Softimage preserving
> how it re-invented its identity since 7.0.
> Its (partial) failings in market impact are not due to lack of dummy level
> tutorials or other similar factors, not in the smallest measure comparable
> to the damage done by uncertain marketing and shelf life and a middle
> management in constant flux and conspicuous absence, at least.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Andy Moorer wrote:
>
>> Whoa, hold on. I'm not suggesting Softimage try to become C4D... I'm just
>> pointing out that they have done a great job of gaining new users by
>> eliminating the fear of the learning curve and by putting effort into
>> smoothing the barriers for new untechnical artists.
>>
>> But not hobbyists, artists, ones who are professionals, perhaps not
>> technical directors but lets face it we as TDs are creating these people's
>> visions, and many people who start out clueless with any tool of any kind
>> of complexity end up doing amazing and sophisticated work in a few short
>> years.
>>
>> I agree with you that in many ways C4D is a dead end when those people
>> get to a point where their ideas outstrip its capabilities as a production
>> tool. Heck, the discovery by small studios and creatives that C4d can't cut
>> it past a certain point is where my most recent paychecks as a hired gun
>> have originated.
>>
>> So why not pave the way for those same talented people to get into
>> Softimage, not by diverting the development of the software itself but by
>> putting significant effort into demonstrating via educational resources
>> like tutorials how easy it is to do very impressive graphics work with
>> minimal training, using Softimage?
>>
>> You don't have to dumb down the software to appeal to nontechnical
>> people, you just have to recognize that many of these people are not
>> natural self-trainers and give them guidance to get rolling. Those
>> "nontechnical" people aren't dumb, and might just find themselves going
>> further than they could have ever foreseen.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jul 21, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Raffaele Fragapane <
>> raffsxsil...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> In all honesty, if Soft was to go down the route C4D went in the last
>> four years I'd move away from it in a hurry.
>> This isn't some kind of mis-placed elitism, it's more that the appeal to
>> the MCD of the app becomes more apparent each version, and while it's very
>> fas

Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Martin]

Having official educational material oriented to new artists doesn't 
necessarily imply that the technical level and quality as a platform will have 
to decrease.

You still need non technical average designers, artists, lots of them to 
produce CG. From 10 SI users I know about 9 of them doesn't know or use ICE 
regularly and 8 of them can't script at all. (most of my acquaintances are 
modelers or animators).

You don't necessarily need ICE, specially in games. I rarely use it at work. SI 
without ICE is still a pretty solid platform for modeling and animation.

We have less SI users every year. Even in Japan where SI is supposed to be 
slightly stronger than other countries, I don't know a single school that is 
teaching SI. Last time I have met a just graduated SI user in Tokyo was about 4 
years ago and that school doesn't exist anymore.

If you only focus your market in TDs and advanced users, you won't have new 
seats and without new seats the software will eventually die.

Educational texts for Maya users could help to convert them, or make our lives 
easier when we need them to use SI from time to time. The QWERTY keyboard 
mapping was an interesting move back then, but since both are Autodesk products 
it just doesn't make sense now.

Martin
Sent from my iPhone

On 2013/07/22, at 10:48, Raffaele Fragapane  wrote:

> I wasn't imply you suggested Soft becomes C4D :)
> I'm suggesting that if you drag in the MCD by its heels and it becomes the 
> majority of your user base, then the development will have to cater to those 
> and gradually lose the more technical userbase, in an infinite cycle that 
> leaves you with C4D and Lightwave and their userbases.
> 
> At the opposite end of the spectrum in successful education shaping the 
> community into a self-feeding loop: Houdini, which bred a fiercely loyal 
> userbase that makes the software look a lot better than it really is.
> 
> I like the balance in the middle that Soft caters to, I like its current 
> userbase and communities, and I'd like to see that extended and the app 
> continue with a certain philosophy that I doubt would remain healthy after 
> trying to pull in any and every artist who can't be bothered learning ICE and 
> would rather have an app with a million pre-canned effects and filters.
> 
> Again, this isn't some mis-placed elitism, this is Softimage preserving how 
> it re-invented its identity since 7.0.
> Its (partial) failings in market impact are not due to lack of dummy level 
> tutorials or other similar factors, not in the smallest measure comparable to 
> the damage done by uncertain marketing and shelf life and a middle management 
> in constant flux and conspicuous absence, at least.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Andy Moorer  wrote:
>> Whoa, hold on. I'm not suggesting Softimage try to become C4D... I'm just 
>> pointing out that they have done a great job of gaining new users by 
>> eliminating the fear of the learning curve and by putting effort into 
>> smoothing the barriers for new untechnical artists.
>> 
>> But not hobbyists, artists, ones who are professionals, perhaps not 
>> technical directors but lets face it we as TDs are creating these people's 
>> visions, and many people who start out clueless with any tool of any kind of 
>> complexity end up doing amazing and sophisticated work in a few short years.
>> 
>> I agree with you that in many ways C4D is a dead end when those people get 
>> to a point where their ideas outstrip its capabilities as a production tool. 
>> Heck, the discovery by small studios and creatives that C4d can't cut it 
>> past a certain point is where my most recent paychecks as a hired gun have 
>> originated.
>> 
>> So why not pave the way for those same talented people to get into 
>> Softimage, not by diverting the development of the software itself but by 
>> putting significant effort into demonstrating via educational resources like 
>> tutorials how easy it is to do very impressive graphics work with minimal 
>> training, using Softimage? 
>> 
>> You don't have to dumb down the software to appeal to nontechnical people, 
>> you just have to recognize that many of these people are not natural 
>> self-trainers and give them guidance to get rolling. Those "nontechnical" 
>> people aren't dumb, and might just find themselves going further than they 
>> could have ever foreseen.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Jul 21, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Raffaele Fragapane 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> In all honesty, if Soft was to go down the route C4D went in the last four 
>>> years I'd move away from it in a hurry.
>>> This isn't some kind of mis-placed elitism, it's more that the appeal to 
>>> the MCD of the app becomes more apparent each version, and while it's very 
>>> fast and practical at doing many small things, it's growing sclerotically 
>>> dysfunctional at the bigger picture and it's developed an extremely narrow 
>>> sighted user-base.
>>> 
>>> There's also a big Apple factor t

Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Raffaele Fragapane]

I wasn't imply you suggested Soft becomes C4D :)
I'm suggesting that if you drag in the MCD by its heels and it becomes the
majority of your user base, then the development will have to cater to
those and gradually lose the more technical userbase, in an infinite cycle
that leaves you with C4D and Lightwave and their userbases.

At the opposite end of the spectrum in successful education shaping the
community into a self-feeding loop: Houdini, which bred a fiercely loyal
userbase that makes the software look a lot better than it really is.

I like the balance in the middle that Soft caters to, I like its current
userbase and communities, and I'd like to see that extended and the app
continue with a certain philosophy that I doubt would remain healthy after
trying to pull in any and every artist who can't be bothered learning ICE
and would rather have an app with a million pre-canned effects and filters.

Again, this isn't some mis-placed elitism, this is Softimage preserving how
it re-invented its identity since 7.0.
Its (partial) failings in market impact are not due to lack of dummy level
tutorials or other similar factors, not in the smallest measure comparable
to the damage done by uncertain marketing and shelf life and a middle
management in constant flux and conspicuous absence, at least.


On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Andy Moorer  wrote:

> Whoa, hold on. I'm not suggesting Softimage try to become C4D... I'm just
> pointing out that they have done a great job of gaining new users by
> eliminating the fear of the learning curve and by putting effort into
> smoothing the barriers for new untechnical artists.
>
> But not hobbyists, artists, ones who are professionals, perhaps not
> technical directors but lets face it we as TDs are creating these people's
> visions, and many people who start out clueless with any tool of any kind
> of complexity end up doing amazing and sophisticated work in a few short
> years.
>
> I agree with you that in many ways C4D is a dead end when those people get
> to a point where their ideas outstrip its capabilities as a production
> tool. Heck, the discovery by small studios and creatives that C4d can't cut
> it past a certain point is where my most recent paychecks as a hired gun
> have originated.
>
> So why not pave the way for those same talented people to get into
> Softimage, not by diverting the development of the software itself but by
> putting significant effort into demonstrating via educational resources
> like tutorials how easy it is to do very impressive graphics work with
> minimal training, using Softimage?
>
> You don't have to dumb down the software to appeal to nontechnical people,
> you just have to recognize that many of these people are not natural
> self-trainers and give them guidance to get rolling. Those "nontechnical"
> people aren't dumb, and might just find themselves going further than they
> could have ever foreseen.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 21, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Raffaele Fragapane <
> raffsxsil...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> In all honesty, if Soft was to go down the route C4D went in the last four
> years I'd move away from it in a hurry.
> This isn't some kind of mis-placed elitism, it's more that the appeal to
> the MCD of the app becomes more apparent each version, and while it's very
> fast and practical at doing many small things, it's growing sclerotically
> dysfunctional at the bigger picture and it's developed an extremely narrow
> sighted user-base.
>
> There's also a big Apple factor to its success in that field unrelated to
> the situation you outline that shouldn't be left out of the picture.
>
> C4D is more likely to still be a product in three years, for sure, but
> it's lost all chances to become a platform.
>
> ZBrush I don't believe should feature in the comparison and context at
> all, it's a singular, field defining blip in history that has little to
> nothing in common with the availability of education or its target, and it
> results from a singular and very left field vision to begin with.
>
> I can't say I have seen such complex work done in C4D by all these amazing
> artists either. I've seen a lot of small bits recombined any and every way,
> sure, but most of it is painfully obvious as a form of thinking particles
> kit bashing. Compared to the original FX work done in Soft, Maya or Houdini
> for commercials and titles (IE: G-Star Raw work by Glassworks) it's way
> below par.
>
> They've seriously pigeonholed themselves, but they have done so in a very
> profitable niche they have now almost cornered. More After Effects than 3D
> DCC.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Andy Moorer  wrote:
>
>> I think Cinema4D is a great example of the effectiveness of spoon-feeding
>> newbies on basic techniques that give them results. C4D has very capable
>> artists flocking to it, these are people who are intimidated by DCCs and
>> yet who have a lot to offer... Designers and other creatives, Zbrush
>> artists 

Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Andy Moorer]

Whoa, hold on. I'm not suggesting Softimage try to become C4D... I'm just 
pointing out that they have done a great job of gaining new users by 
eliminating the fear of the learning curve and by putting effort into smoothing 
the barriers for new untechnical artists.

But not hobbyists, artists, ones who are professionals, perhaps not technical 
directors but lets face it we as TDs are creating these people's visions, and 
many people who start out clueless with any tool of any kind of complexity end 
up doing amazing and sophisticated work in a few short years.

I agree with you that in many ways C4D is a dead end when those people get to a 
point where their ideas outstrip its capabilities as a production tool. Heck, 
the discovery by small studios and creatives that C4d can't cut it past a 
certain point is where my most recent paychecks as a hired gun have originated.

So why not pave the way for those same talented people to get into Softimage, 
not by diverting the development of the software itself but by putting 
significant effort into demonstrating via educational resources like tutorials 
how easy it is to do very impressive graphics work with minimal training, using 
Softimage? 

You don't have to dumb down the software to appeal to nontechnical people, you 
just have to recognize that many of these people are not natural self-trainers 
and give them guidance to get rolling. Those "nontechnical" people aren't dumb, 
and might just find themselves going further than they could have ever foreseen.

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 21, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Raffaele Fragapane  
wrote:

> In all honesty, if Soft was to go down the route C4D went in the last four 
> years I'd move away from it in a hurry.
> This isn't some kind of mis-placed elitism, it's more that the appeal to the 
> MCD of the app becomes more apparent each version, and while it's very fast 
> and practical at doing many small things, it's growing sclerotically 
> dysfunctional at the bigger picture and it's developed an extremely narrow 
> sighted user-base.
> 
> There's also a big Apple factor to its success in that field unrelated to the 
> situation you outline that shouldn't be left out of the picture.
> 
> C4D is more likely to still be a product in three years, for sure, but it's 
> lost all chances to become a platform.
> 
> ZBrush I don't believe should feature in the comparison and context at all, 
> it's a singular, field defining blip in history that has little to nothing in 
> common with the availability of education or its target, and it results from 
> a singular and very left field vision to begin with.
> 
> I can't say I have seen such complex work done in C4D by all these amazing 
> artists either. I've seen a lot of small bits recombined any and every way, 
> sure, but most of it is painfully obvious as a form of thinking particles kit 
> bashing. Compared to the original FX work done in Soft, Maya or Houdini for 
> commercials and titles (IE: G-Star Raw work by Glassworks) it's way below par.
> 
> They've seriously pigeonholed themselves, but they have done so in a very 
> profitable niche they have now almost cornered. More After Effects than 3D 
> DCC.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Andy Moorer  wrote:
>> I think Cinema4D is a great example of the effectiveness of spoon-feeding 
>> newbies on basic techniques that give them results. C4D has very capable 
>> artists flocking to it, these are people who are intimidated by DCCs and yet 
>> who have a lot to offer... Designers and other creatives, Zbrush artists and 
>> so on. 
>> 
>> They have a perception that C4D is easy to use (despite every 3d DCC 
>> requiring effort to learn) and that perception is enough to get them to go 
>> the next step, viewing easy to find tutorials, in which immediately useful 
>> stuff is shown with emphasis on how easy it is.
>> 
>> The result - a fast growing userbase of artists, and those 
>> art-oriented-people drive a great many jobs.
>> 
>> I see designers who do very complex work in C4D who are -still- afraid to 
>> try other tools, because what they see are mid to high level workflows 
>> straight off the bat.
>> 
>> Which is more likely to still be a product in 3-5 years, C4D or Softimage? 
>> Is this "cater to the newbies" strategy one worth adopting? It seems very 
>> effective...
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad

Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Raffaele Fragapane]

In all honesty, if Soft was to go down the route C4D went in the last four
years I'd move away from it in a hurry.
This isn't some kind of mis-placed elitism, it's more that the appeal to
the MCD of the app becomes more apparent each version, and while it's very
fast and practical at doing many small things, it's growing sclerotically
dysfunctional at the bigger picture and it's developed an extremely narrow
sighted user-base.

There's also a big Apple factor to its success in that field unrelated to
the situation you outline that shouldn't be left out of the picture.

C4D is more likely to still be a product in three years, for sure, but it's
lost all chances to become a platform.

ZBrush I don't believe should feature in the comparison and context at all,
it's a singular, field defining blip in history that has little to nothing
in common with the availability of education or its target, and it results
from a singular and very left field vision to begin with.

I can't say I have seen such complex work done in C4D by all these amazing
artists either. I've seen a lot of small bits recombined any and every way,
sure, but most of it is painfully obvious as a form of thinking particles
kit bashing. Compared to the original FX work done in Soft, Maya or Houdini
for commercials and titles (IE: G-Star Raw work by Glassworks) it's way
below par.

They've seriously pigeonholed themselves, but they have done so in a very
profitable niche they have now almost cornered. More After Effects than 3D
DCC.


On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Andy Moorer  wrote:

> I think Cinema4D is a great example of the effectiveness of spoon-feeding
> newbies on basic techniques that give them results. C4D has very capable
> artists flocking to it, these are people who are intimidated by DCCs and
> yet who have a lot to offer... Designers and other creatives, Zbrush
> artists and so on.
>
> They have a perception that C4D is easy to use (despite every 3d DCC
> requiring effort to learn) and that perception is enough to get them to go
> the next step, viewing easy to find tutorials, in which immediately useful
> stuff is shown with emphasis on how easy it is.
>
> The result - a fast growing userbase of artists, and those
> art-oriented-people drive a great many jobs.
>
> I see designers who do very complex work in C4D who are -still- afraid to
> try other tools, because what they see are mid to high level workflows
> straight off the bat.
>
> Which is more likely to still be a product in 3-5 years, C4D or Softimage?
> Is this "cater to the newbies" strategy one worth adopting? It seems very
> effective...
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>

Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Eric Thivierge]

Well in my opinion you're going to benefit greater from putting in more
effort to learn the internals of systems so when you get Klink backs from
the director you're going to be able to customize as needed. Also you may
enable your artists to get away from cookie cutter looks
On Jul 21, 2013 11:42 AM, "Andy Moorer"  wrote:

> I think Cinema4D is a great example of the effectiveness of spoon-feeding
> newbies on basic techniques that give them results. C4D has very capable
> artists flocking to it, these are people who are intimidated by DCCs and
> yet who have a lot to offer... Designers and other creatives, Zbrush
> artists and so on.
>
> They have a perception that C4D is easy to use (despite every 3d DCC
> requiring effort to learn) and that perception is enough to get them to go
> the next step, viewing easy to find tutorials, in which immediately useful
> stuff is shown with emphasis on how easy it is.
>
> The result - a fast growing userbase of artists, and those
> art-oriented-people drive a great many jobs.
>
> I see designers who do very complex work in C4D who are -still- afraid to
> try other tools, because what they see are mid to high level workflows
> straight off the bat.
>
> Which is more likely to still be a product in 3-5 years, C4D or Softimage?
> Is this "cater to the newbies" strategy one worth adopting? It seems very
> effective...
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 18, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Matt Lind  wrote:
>
> What’s missing is the tutorials from AD covering the usage of the
> application.
>
> ** **
>
> There are introductory tutorials for really, really basic stuff.  There is
> reference for properties and such, which is often vague and sparse, or
> self-referential.  However, there is a big void in the middle on how to
> best use features.  
>
> ** **
>
> Yes there are plenty of materials on the internet, but large majority is
> from 3rd parties, and many of those tutorials deal with whiz bang
> features.  The problem we’ve had here is the 3rd party stuff really
> doesn’t address the features we need to use, and there’s nothing from AD on
> the topics either.  Or, if found, the tutorials are so basic they’re not
> useful.
>
> ** **
>
> Long story short, it depends on the type of work you do.  For film/video,
> there’s a lot of stuff out there.  For games and other markets, you have to
> scrape the barrel pretty good to get anything of substance.
>
> ** **
>
> Matt
>
>

Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Stephen Davidson]

When Softimage became XSI, I thought the learning curve went from
easy to hard, but once I gritted my teeth, and decided to learn XSI,
I was convinced it was worth the extra effort to learn a "new" package.
Now that ICE has been added, What little ICE I have learned has
made my 3D work easier.

I work by myself (freelance) so I have to write all my
own compounds or use public ones so generously
donated by other "Softies"

I would imagine that any ICE compounds can be shared within a studio,
to help make life easier for all the animators involved.


On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 4:17 PM, olivier jeannel wrote:

>  Not so long ago XSI was known because you could be up and running
> quickly.
> But ice is another story...
>
> Le 21/07/2013 20:42, Andy Moorer a écrit :
>
> I think Cinema4D is a great example of the effectiveness of spoon-feeding
> newbies on basic techniques that give them results. C4D has very capable
> artists flocking to it, these are people who are intimidated by DCCs and
> yet who have a lot to offer... Designers and other creatives, Zbrush
> artists and so on.
>
>  They have a perception that C4D is easy to use (despite every 3d DCC
> requiring effort to learn) and that perception is enough to get them to go
> the next step, viewing easy to find tutorials, in which immediately useful
> stuff is shown with emphasis on how easy it is.
>
>  The result - a fast growing userbase of artists, and those
> art-oriented-people drive a great many jobs.
>
>  I see designers who do very complex work in C4D who are -still- afraid
> to try other tools, because what they see are mid to high level workflows
> straight off the bat.
>
>  Which is more likely to still be a product in 3-5 years, C4D or
> Softimage? Is this "cater to the newbies" strategy one worth adopting? It
> seems very effective...
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 18, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Matt Lind  wrote:
>
>   What’s missing is the tutorials from AD covering the usage of the
> application.
>
> ** **
>
> There are introductory tutorials for really, really basic stuff.  There is
> reference for properties and such, which is often vague and sparse, or
> self-referential.  However, there is a big void in the middle on how to
> best use features.  
>
> ** **
>
> Yes there are plenty of materials on the internet, but large majority is
> from 3rd parties, and many of those tutorials deal with whiz bang
> features.  The problem we’ve had here is the 3rd party stuff really
> doesn’t address the features we need to use, and there’s nothing from AD on
> the topics either.  Or, if found, the tutorials are so basic they’re not
> useful.
>
> ** **
>
> Long story short, it depends on the type of work you do.  For film/video,
> there’s a lot of stuff out there.  For games and other markets, you have to
> scrape the barrel pretty good to get anything of substance.
>
> ** **
>
> Matt
>
>
>


-- 

Best Regards,
*  Stephen P. Davidson**
   **(954) 552-7956
*sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com

*Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic*


 - Arthur C. Clarke

Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[olivier jeannel]

Not so long ago XSI was known because you could be up and running quickly.
But ice is another story...

Le 21/07/2013 20:42, Andy Moorer a écrit :
I think Cinema4D is a great example of the effectiveness of 
spoon-feeding newbies on basic techniques that give them results. C4D 
has very capable artists flocking to it, these are people who are 
intimidated by DCCs and yet who have a lot to offer... Designers and 
other creatives, Zbrush artists and so on.


They have a perception that C4D is easy to use (despite every 3d DCC 
requiring effort to learn) and that perception is enough to get them 
to go the next step, viewing easy to find tutorials, in which 
immediately useful stuff is shown with emphasis on how easy it is.


The result - a fast growing userbase of artists, and those 
art-oriented-people drive a great many jobs.


I see designers who do very complex work in C4D who are -still- afraid 
to try other tools, because what they see are mid to high level 
workflows straight off the bat.


Which is more likely to still be a product in 3-5 years, C4D or 
Softimage? Is this "cater to the newbies" strategy one worth adopting? 
It seems very effective...


Sent from my iPad

On Jul 18, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Matt Lind > wrote:


What’s missing is the tutorials from AD covering the usage of the 
application.


There are introductory tutorials for really, really basic stuff.  
There is reference for properties and such, which is often vague and 
sparse, or self-referential.  However, there is a big void in the 
middle on how to best use features.


Yes there are plenty of materials on the internet, but large majority 
is from 3^rd parties, and many of those tutorials deal with whiz bang 
features.  The problem we’ve had here is the 3^rd party stuff really 
doesn’t address the features we need to use, and there’s nothing from 
AD on the topics either.  Or, if found, the tutorials are so basic 
they’re not useful.


Long story short, it depends on the type of work you do.  For 
film/video, there’s a lot of stuff out there.  For games and other 
markets, you have to scrape the barrel pretty good to get anything of 
substance.


Matt

Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Andy Moorer]

I think Cinema4D is a great example of the effectiveness of spoon-feeding 
newbies on basic techniques that give them results. C4D has very capable 
artists flocking to it, these are people who are intimidated by DCCs and yet 
who have a lot to offer... Designers and other creatives, Zbrush artists and so 
on. 

They have a perception that C4D is easy to use (despite every 3d DCC requiring 
effort to learn) and that perception is enough to get them to go the next step, 
viewing easy to find tutorials, in which immediately useful stuff is shown with 
emphasis on how easy it is.

The result - a fast growing userbase of artists, and those art-oriented-people 
drive a great many jobs.

I see designers who do very complex work in C4D who are -still- afraid to try 
other tools, because what they see are mid to high level workflows straight off 
the bat.

Which is more likely to still be a product in 3-5 years, C4D or Softimage? Is 
this "cater to the newbies" strategy one worth adopting? It seems very 
effective...

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 18, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Matt Lind  wrote:

> What’s missing is the tutorials from AD covering the usage of the application.
>  
> There are introductory tutorials for really, really basic stuff.  There is 
> reference for properties and such, which is often vague and sparse, or 
> self-referential.  However, there is a big void in the middle on how to best 
> use features. 
>  
> Yes there are plenty of materials on the internet, but large majority is from 
> 3rd parties, and many of those tutorials deal with whiz bang features.  The 
> problem we’ve had here is the 3rd party stuff really doesn’t address the 
> features we need to use, and there’s nothing from AD on the topics either.  
> Or, if found, the tutorials are so basic they’re not useful.
>  
> Long story short, it depends on the type of work you do.  For film/video, 
> there’s a lot of stuff out there.  For games and other markets, you have to 
> scrape the barrel pretty good to get anything of substance.
>  
> Matt

Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Bradley Gabe]

Just an FYI, ADSK did in fact reach out to me (and certainly others) to produce 
tutorials for rigging, ICE, and other stuff, but I was unable to get a proper 
business arrangement worked out in time and we missed our budget window.

Some of it was due to my consulting business being too new to meet their 
recently imposed, more stringent requirements for venders. A portion of it was 
also due to me simply dropping the ball (due to personal circumstances) in the 
past few months.

Long story short, I feel it's important for the SI community to be aware that 
ADSK wasn't doing nothing. Sometimes extenuating circumstances with the 
community members, in this case me, ultimately makes it seem that way.

-Bradley

Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Vincent Fortin]

I'd point them to ICE User Guide > ICE Fundamentals > Working with ICE >
first sentence: "*ICE is the Interactive Creative Environment*".
If they don't get it, they may not be suited for the job.


On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 8:40 PM, Luc-Eric Rousseau wrote:

> in addition to looking at the front page of the user guide, and
> area.autodesk.com, which is where all the tutorials are,
> http://www.autodesk.com/softimage-tutorials for the collection of
> first party and third party stuff
>
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Andy Moorer  wrote:
> > Since this thread has turned into a defacto follection of latest
> softimage
> > learning resources... some already mentioned but for completeness I'll
> add
> > them as a single post...
>

Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Luc-Eric Rousseau]

in addition to looking at the front page of the user guide, and
area.autodesk.com, which is where all the tutorials are,
http://www.autodesk.com/softimage-tutorials for the collection of
first party and third party stuff

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Andy Moorer  wrote:
> Since this thread has turned into a defacto follection of latest softimage
> learning resources... some already mentioned but for completeness I'll add
> them as a single post...

Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Raffaele Fragapane]

The middle part of the learning curve is very, very badly serviced across
the board, comparatively speaking Soft, largely thanks to who and why ICE
and OOP Python appealed to, is probably above average, but that only
implies needing to past a smidge above zero.
Houdini sort of almost kind of makes exception in those regards, but it's a
very singular app/userbase relationship.

Games wise I can't say I follow much though, but while there might be more
film/video inspired or oriented content, I can assure you very, very little
of it actually has direct application or the depth and breadth required to
be useful in the mid-high level.

There are a few high profile fundamentals out there for TDs that still
hold, Thiago's-CMI ICE foundations and so on, but across the board the
"application" part past whiz bang you will find lacking for practically any
very generic DCC app like Soft and its competitors and siblings.


On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Matt Lind  wrote:

> What’s missing is the tutorials from AD covering the usage of the
> application.
>
> ** **
>
> There are introductory tutorials for really, really basic stuff.  There is
> reference for properties and such, which is often vague and sparse, or
> self-referential.  However, there is a big void in the middle on how to
> best use features.  
>
> ** **
>
> Yes there are plenty of materials on the internet, but large majority is
> from 3rd parties, and many of those tutorials deal with whiz bang
> features.  The problem we’ve had here is the 3rd party stuff really
> doesn’t address the features we need to use, and there’s nothing from AD on
> the topics either.  Or, if found, the tutorials are so basic they’re not
> useful.
>
> ** **
>
> Long story short, it depends on the type of work you do.  For film/video,
> there’s a lot of stuff out there.  For games and other markets, you have to
> scrape the barrel pretty good to get anything of substance.
>
> ** **
>
> Matt
>
> ** **
>
>
>

RE: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Matt Lind]

What's missing is the tutorials from AD covering the usage of the application.

There are introductory tutorials for really, really basic stuff.  There is 
reference for properties and such, which is often vague and sparse, or 
self-referential.  However, there is a big void in the middle on how to best 
use features.

Yes there are plenty of materials on the internet, but large majority is from 
3rd parties, and many of those tutorials deal with whiz bang features.  The 
problem we've had here is the 3rd party stuff really doesn't address the 
features we need to use, and there's nothing from AD on the topics either.  Or, 
if found, the tutorials are so basic they're not useful.

Long story short, it depends on the type of work you do.  For film/video, 
there's a lot of stuff out there.  For games and other markets, you have to 
scrape the barrel pretty good to get anything of substance.

Matt




From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Raffaele Fragapane
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 4:18 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk 
webiste

Or for basic stuff they could, you know read the manuals? Shocking, I know.
We also train a large number of people every year from Maya to Soft, and we've 
never had an issue with content availability, sure not enough of one to have to 
produce our own material in those regards, or pointing them to external 
resources.
The middle part of the curve is the harshest to get over usually, and for that 
there's plenty material. The very first part is perfectly fine with what's 
provided and accessible from the netview and the manuals.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:00 AM, Daniel Kim 
mailto:danielki...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Thank you guys for sharing all tutorial links.

Many tutorials are good for intermediate or advanced but basic stuff, such as 
interface or how to start. Those are hard to find (Digital tutors or YouTube 
movies have outdated one) And detailed tutorials for great tools such as ICE, 
Face Robot, Rendering (how to use channels or passes, etc).

When AD release a new version of SI including new tools, I think they need to 
provide tutorials with digital downloading, this is what I think. I know there 
are many tutorials on Youtube or Vimeo, but still many of them are made by 
user, not AD.

I have several people switching tools from Maya or Max to SI, and I am tired of 
telling them how to, and also tired of listening there are not so much 
tutorials comparing Maya and Max.

So, my point was why AD doesn't provide nice tutorials for new user, and why 
there are no tutorials movie or pdf file on AD website. User should find 
tutorials for new tools and basic stuff on AD website instead of other websute. 
I believe AD needs to benchmark how Modo, Cinema4D, Zbrush, and other software 
how they provide their own tutorials on their website.

Daniel

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 4:41 AM, Paul Griswold 
mailto:pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com>>
 wrote:
Don't forget about http://www.redi-vivus.com - where you can find tons of older 
Softimage training.
Even though it's dated, the majority of it is still very useful and can help 
you get up to speed.

-Paul


On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Stephen Davidson 
mailto:magic...@bellsouth.net>> wrote:
When you first open up Softimage a window opens up called Netview.
In that Netview window, there are two links listed:
"Essential Skills Videos - Getting Started" (this is a good place to start)
and "Softimage YouTube Learning Channel"

If you left click on "Essential Skills Videos - Getting Started",
Netview will open up a menu of videos about certain beginner
subjects. Left clicking on any of these subjects will launch
a movie that explains that particular subject.

If you left click on "Softimage YouTube Learning Channel",
Netview will open up you default internet browser to the
Softimage YouTube Learning Channel.


I can see that other helpful users have posted many other sites
that contain Softimage tutorials. If you need more, you can
use a web browser search engine. Google is a great search engine.
All you have to do is go to www.Google.com<http://www.Google.com> and type in 
the words
"Softimage Tutorials" in the box marked "search"
and Google will list even more websites that contain Softimage Tutorials.

If you have any problems accessing these websites, just ask here in the 
discussion group,
and I'm sure many, here, will jump at the chance to assist you.

I hope these tools helps you to get acquainted with Softimage.

Good Luck.

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Luc-Eric Rousseau 
mailto:luceri...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Daniel Kim 
mailto:danielki...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Softimag

Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Raffaele Fragapane]

Or for basic stuff they could, you know read the manuals? Shocking, I know.
We also train a large number of people every year from Maya to Soft, and
we've never had an issue with content availability, sure not enough of one
to have to produce our own material in those regards, or pointing them to
external resources.

The middle part of the curve is the harshest to get over usually, and for
that there's plenty material. The very first part is perfectly fine with
what's provided and accessible from the netview and the manuals.


On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:00 AM, Daniel Kim  wrote:

> Thank you guys for sharing all tutorial links.
>
> Many tutorials are good for intermediate or advanced but basic stuff, such
> as interface or how to start. Those are hard to find (Digital tutors or
> YouTube movies have outdated one) And detailed tutorials for great tools
> such as ICE, Face Robot, Rendering (how to use channels or passes, etc).
>
> *When AD release a new version of SI including new tools, I think they
> need to provide tutorials with digital downloading*, this is what I
> think. I know there are many tutorials on Youtube or Vimeo, but still many
> of them are made by user, not AD.
>
> I have several people switching tools from Maya or Max to SI, and I am
> tired of telling them how to, and also tired of listening there are not so
> much tutorials comparing Maya and Max.
>
> So, my point was why AD doesn't provide nice tutorials for new user, and
> why there are no tutorials movie or pdf file on AD website. User should
> find tutorials for new tools and basic stuff on AD website instead of other
> websute. I believe AD needs to benchmark how Modo, Cinema4D, Zbrush, and
> other software how they provide their own tutorials on their website.
>
> Daniel
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 4:41 AM, Paul Griswold <
> pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com> wrote:
>
>> Don't forget about http://www.redi-vivus.com - where you can find tons
>> of older Softimage training.
>> Even though it's dated, the majority of it is still very useful and can
>> help you get up to speed.
>>
>> -Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Stephen Davidson <
>> magic...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> When you first open up Softimage a window opens up called Netview.
>>> In that Netview window, there are two links listed:
>>> "Essential Skills Videos - Getting Started" (this is a good place to
>>> start)
>>> and "Softimage YouTube Learning Channel"
>>>
>>> If you left click on "Essential Skills Videos - Getting Started",
>>> Netview will open up a menu of videos about certain beginner
>>> subjects. Left clicking on any of these subjects will launch
>>> a movie that explains that particular subject.
>>>
>>> If you left click on "Softimage YouTube Learning Channel",
>>> Netview will open up you default internet browser to the
>>> Softimage YouTube Learning Channel.
>>>
>>>
>>> I can see that other helpful users have posted many other sites
>>> that contain Softimage tutorials. If you need more, you can
>>> use a web browser search engine. Google is a great search engine.
>>> All you have to do is go to www.Google.com and type in the words
>>> "Softimage Tutorials" in the box marked "search"
>>> and Google will list even more websites that contain Softimage Tutorials.
>>>
>>> If you have any problems accessing these websites, just ask here in the
>>> discussion group,
>>> and I'm sure many, here, will jump at the chance to assist you.
>>>
>>> I hope these tools helps you to get acquainted with Softimage.
>>>
>>> Good Luck.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Luc-Eric Rousseau >> > wrote:
>>>
 On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Daniel Kim 
 wrote:
 > Softimage in NZ is almost $7k including subscription, but I can't
 believe
 > they don't give any tutorials to customer.
 [...]
 >
 > AD seriously need to consider put some tutorials on their website or
 nicely
 > run Softimage channel on Youtube

 seriously dude, there is already a softimage youtube channel, which
 others have pointed out.
 here are some other tutorials on the autodesk web site.

 Softimage tutorials:
 http://area.autodesk.com/tutorials?word=&where=1&software=14

 Brad's ice masterclass:
 https://area.autodesk.com/masterclasses/masterclass/class09_softimage

 Adam's "Exploring the power of Non-Linear Character Setup with
 Autodesk Softimage"

 http://area.autodesk.com/masterclasses/masterclass/class3_q2_2012_adam_sale

 ICE particle rendering video..
 http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?siteID=123112&id=15505585

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> *  Stephen P. Davidson**
>>>**(954) 552-7956
>>> *sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com
>>>
>>> *Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic*
>>>
>>>
>>>  - Arthur C. Clarke
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --

Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Stephen Davidson]

Again... the beginner stuff like interface, and how to start, are located in
the Netview window that pops up when you first start Softimage.


On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Daniel Kim  wrote:

> Thank you guys for sharing all tutorial links.
>
> Many tutorials are good for intermediate or advanced but basic stuff, such
> as interface or how to start. Those are hard to find (Digital tutors or
> YouTube movies have outdated one) And detailed tutorials for great tools
> such as ICE, Face Robot, Rendering (how to use channels or passes, etc).
>
> *When AD release a new version of SI including new tools, I think they
> need to provide tutorials with digital downloading*, this is what I
> think. I know there are many tutorials on Youtube or Vimeo, but still many
> of them are made by user, not AD.
>
> I have several people switching tools from Maya or Max to SI, and I am
> tired of telling them how to, and also tired of listening there are not so
> much tutorials comparing Maya and Max.
>
> So, my point was why AD doesn't provide nice tutorials for new user, and
> why there are no tutorials movie or pdf file on AD website. User should
> find tutorials for new tools and basic stuff on AD website instead of other
> websute. I believe AD needs to benchmark how Modo, Cinema4D, Zbrush, and
> other software how they provide their own tutorials on their website.
>
> Daniel
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 4:41 AM, Paul Griswold <
> pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com> wrote:
>
>> Don't forget about http://www.redi-vivus.com - where you can find tons
>> of older Softimage training.
>> Even though it's dated, the majority of it is still very useful and can
>> help you get up to speed.
>>
>> -Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Stephen Davidson <
>> magic...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> When you first open up Softimage a window opens up called Netview.
>>> In that Netview window, there are two links listed:
>>> "Essential Skills Videos - Getting Started" (this is a good place to
>>> start)
>>> and "Softimage YouTube Learning Channel"
>>>
>>> If you left click on "Essential Skills Videos - Getting Started",
>>> Netview will open up a menu of videos about certain beginner
>>> subjects. Left clicking on any of these subjects will launch
>>> a movie that explains that particular subject.
>>>
>>> If you left click on "Softimage YouTube Learning Channel",
>>> Netview will open up you default internet browser to the
>>> Softimage YouTube Learning Channel.
>>>
>>>
>>> I can see that other helpful users have posted many other sites
>>> that contain Softimage tutorials. If you need more, you can
>>> use a web browser search engine. Google is a great search engine.
>>> All you have to do is go to www.Google.com and type in the words
>>> "Softimage Tutorials" in the box marked "search"
>>> and Google will list even more websites that contain Softimage Tutorials.
>>>
>>> If you have any problems accessing these websites, just ask here in the
>>> discussion group,
>>> and I'm sure many, here, will jump at the chance to assist you.
>>>
>>> I hope these tools helps you to get acquainted with Softimage.
>>>
>>> Good Luck.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Luc-Eric Rousseau >> > wrote:
>>>
 On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Daniel Kim 
 wrote:
 > Softimage in NZ is almost $7k including subscription, but I can't
 believe
 > they don't give any tutorials to customer.
 [...]
 >
 > AD seriously need to consider put some tutorials on their website or
 nicely
 > run Softimage channel on Youtube

 seriously dude, there is already a softimage youtube channel, which
 others have pointed out.
 here are some other tutorials on the autodesk web site.

 Softimage tutorials:
 http://area.autodesk.com/tutorials?word=&where=1&software=14

 Brad's ice masterclass:
 https://area.autodesk.com/masterclasses/masterclass/class09_softimage

 Adam's "Exploring the power of Non-Linear Character Setup with
 Autodesk Softimage"

 http://area.autodesk.com/masterclasses/masterclass/class3_q2_2012_adam_sale

 ICE particle rendering video..
 http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?siteID=123112&id=15505585

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> *  Stephen P. Davidson**
>>>**(954) 552-7956
>>> *sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com
>>>
>>> *Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic*
>>>
>>>
>>>  - Arthur C. Clarke
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> ---
> Daniel Kim
> Animation Director & Professional 3D Generalist
> http://www.danielkim3d.com
> ---
>
>
>


-- 

Best Regards,
*  Stephen P. Davidson**
   **(954) 552-7956
*sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com

*Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic*

Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Andy Moorer]

Since this thread has turned into a defacto follection of latest softimage
learning resources... some already mentioned but for completeness I'll add
them as a single post...

retail learning resources -
http://www.fxphd.com/
http://cmivfx.com/store/
http://www.digitaltutors.com

Communities
Vimeo in general
http://www.si-community.com/community/index.php
http://www.cgsociety.org/
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list
http://www.xsi-blog.com/
http://xsisupport.com/


But Daniel your point is reasonable - AD/Softimage has a certain burden to
pave the way into using the software. Stephen Blair's xsisupport blog is
still an up to date and go-to resource, and it's being maintained by
someone laid off and later snatched up by another company. It's amazing
that he has been so cool as to keep providing users his efforts as a
community member, but shouldnt someone at SI step up to the plate here?

Softimage could use an "official" person or team providing training, tips
etc. Surely AD can understand the need to fund this kind of role? And Mark
S, post to the blog - you guys are feeling kind of distant.


On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Nicholas Breslow
wrote:

> I learned a lot by recreating Stephen Blair’s examples from
> http://xsisupport.com (I believe they are on Vimeo here
> https://vimeo.com/user595557 also).  Plus recreate stuff posted here on
> the list and over at http://www.si-community.com/community/index.php.  I
> did one or two a day for about a year – learned a ton.
>
> ** **
>
> -N 
>
>
> 
>
> *Nicholas Breslow*
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Griswold
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:42 PM
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on
> Autodesk webiste
>
> ** **
>
> Don't forget about http://www.redi-vivus.com - where you can find tons of
> older Softimage training.  
>
> Even though it's dated, the majority of it is still very useful and can
> help you get up to speed.
>
> ** **
>
> -Paul
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Stephen Davidson 
> wrote:
>
> When you first open up Softimage a window opens up called Netview.
>
> In that Netview window, there are two links listed:
>
> "Essential Skills Videos - Getting Started" (this is a good place to start)
> 
>
> and "Softimage YouTube Learning Channel"
>
> ** **
>
> If you left click on "Essential Skills Videos - Getting Started",
>
> Netview will open up a menu of videos about certain beginner
>
> subjects. Left clicking on any of these subjects will launch
>
> a movie that explains that particular subject.
>
> ** **
>
> If you left click on "Softimage YouTube Learning Channel",
>
> Netview will open up you default internet browser to the
>
> Softimage YouTube Learning Channel.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> I can see that other helpful users have posted many other sites
>
> that contain Softimage tutorials. If you need more, you can
>
> use a web browser search engine. Google is a great search engine.
>
> All you have to do is go to www.Google.com and type in the words
>
> "Softimage Tutorials" in the box marked "search"
>
> and Google will list even more websites that contain Softimage Tutorials.*
> ***
>
> ** **
>
> If you have any problems accessing these websites, just ask here in the
> discussion group,
>
> and I'm sure many, here, will jump at the chance to assist you.
>
> ** **
>
> I hope these tools helps you to get acquainted with Softimage.
>
> ** **
>
> Good Luck. 
>
> ** **
>
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Luc-Eric Rousseau 
> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Daniel Kim  wrote:
> > Softimage in NZ is almost $7k including subscription, but I can't believe
> > they don't give any tutorials to customer.
>
> [...]
>
> >
> > AD seriously need to consider put some tutorials on their website or
> nicely
> > run Softimage channel on Youtube
>
> seriously dude, there is already a softimage youtube channel, which
> others have pointed out.
> here are some other tutorials on the autodesk web site.
>
> Softimage tutorials:
> http://area.autodesk.com/tutorials?word=&where=1&software=14
>
> Brad's ice masterclass:
> https://area.autodesk.com/masterclasses/masterclass/class09_softim

Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Daniel Kim]

Thank you guys for sharing all tutorial links.

Many tutorials are good for intermediate or advanced but basic stuff, such
as interface or how to start. Those are hard to find (Digital tutors or
YouTube movies have outdated one) And detailed tutorials for great tools
such as ICE, Face Robot, Rendering (how to use channels or passes, etc).

*When AD release a new version of SI including new tools, I think they need
to provide tutorials with digital downloading*, this is what I think. I
know there are many tutorials on Youtube or Vimeo, but still many of them
are made by user, not AD.

I have several people switching tools from Maya or Max to SI, and I am
tired of telling them how to, and also tired of listening there are not so
much tutorials comparing Maya and Max.

So, my point was why AD doesn't provide nice tutorials for new user, and
why there are no tutorials movie or pdf file on AD website. User should
find tutorials for new tools and basic stuff on AD website instead of other
websute. I believe AD needs to benchmark how Modo, Cinema4D, Zbrush, and
other software how they provide their own tutorials on their website.

Daniel

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 4:41 AM, Paul Griswold <
pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com> wrote:

> Don't forget about http://www.redi-vivus.com - where you can find tons of
> older Softimage training.
> Even though it's dated, the majority of it is still very useful and can
> help you get up to speed.
>
> -Paul
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Stephen Davidson  > wrote:
>
>> When you first open up Softimage a window opens up called Netview.
>> In that Netview window, there are two links listed:
>> "Essential Skills Videos - Getting Started" (this is a good place to
>> start)
>> and "Softimage YouTube Learning Channel"
>>
>> If you left click on "Essential Skills Videos - Getting Started",
>> Netview will open up a menu of videos about certain beginner
>> subjects. Left clicking on any of these subjects will launch
>> a movie that explains that particular subject.
>>
>> If you left click on "Softimage YouTube Learning Channel",
>> Netview will open up you default internet browser to the
>> Softimage YouTube Learning Channel.
>>
>>
>> I can see that other helpful users have posted many other sites
>> that contain Softimage tutorials. If you need more, you can
>> use a web browser search engine. Google is a great search engine.
>> All you have to do is go to www.Google.com and type in the words
>> "Softimage Tutorials" in the box marked "search"
>> and Google will list even more websites that contain Softimage Tutorials.
>>
>> If you have any problems accessing these websites, just ask here in the
>> discussion group,
>> and I'm sure many, here, will jump at the chance to assist you.
>>
>> I hope these tools helps you to get acquainted with Softimage.
>>
>> Good Luck.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Luc-Eric Rousseau 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Daniel Kim 
>>> wrote:
>>> > Softimage in NZ is almost $7k including subscription, but I can't
>>> believe
>>> > they don't give any tutorials to customer.
>>> [...]
>>> >
>>> > AD seriously need to consider put some tutorials on their website or
>>> nicely
>>> > run Softimage channel on Youtube
>>>
>>> seriously dude, there is already a softimage youtube channel, which
>>> others have pointed out.
>>> here are some other tutorials on the autodesk web site.
>>>
>>> Softimage tutorials:
>>> http://area.autodesk.com/tutorials?word=&where=1&software=14
>>>
>>> Brad's ice masterclass:
>>> https://area.autodesk.com/masterclasses/masterclass/class09_softimage
>>>
>>> Adam's "Exploring the power of Non-Linear Character Setup with
>>> Autodesk Softimage"
>>>
>>> http://area.autodesk.com/masterclasses/masterclass/class3_q2_2012_adam_sale
>>>
>>> ICE particle rendering video..
>>> http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?siteID=123112&id=15505585
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> *  Stephen P. Davidson**
>>**(954) 552-7956
>> *sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com
>>
>> *Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic*
>>
>>
>>- Arthur C. Clarke
>>
>> 
>>
>
>


-- 
---
Daniel Kim
Animation Director & Professional 3D Generalist
http://www.danielkim3d.com
---

RE: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Nicholas Breslow]

I learned a lot by recreating Stephen Blair's examples from  
http://xsisupport.com (I believe they are on Vimeo here 
https://vimeo.com/user595557 also).  Plus recreate stuff posted here on the 
list and over at http://www.si-community.com/community/index.php.  I did one or 
two a day for about a year - learned a ton.

-N

Nicholas Breslow

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Paul Griswold
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:42 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk 
webiste

Don't forget about http://www.redi-vivus.com - where you can find tons of older 
Softimage training.
Even though it's dated, the majority of it is still very useful and can help 
you get up to speed.

-Paul


On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Stephen Davidson 
mailto:magic...@bellsouth.net>> wrote:
When you first open up Softimage a window opens up called Netview.
In that Netview window, there are two links listed:
"Essential Skills Videos - Getting Started" (this is a good place to start)
and "Softimage YouTube Learning Channel"

If you left click on "Essential Skills Videos - Getting Started",
Netview will open up a menu of videos about certain beginner
subjects. Left clicking on any of these subjects will launch
a movie that explains that particular subject.

If you left click on "Softimage YouTube Learning Channel",
Netview will open up you default internet browser to the
Softimage YouTube Learning Channel.


I can see that other helpful users have posted many other sites
that contain Softimage tutorials. If you need more, you can
use a web browser search engine. Google is a great search engine.
All you have to do is go to www.Google.com<http://www.Google.com> and type in 
the words
"Softimage Tutorials" in the box marked "search"
and Google will list even more websites that contain Softimage Tutorials.

If you have any problems accessing these websites, just ask here in the 
discussion group,
and I'm sure many, here, will jump at the chance to assist you.

I hope these tools helps you to get acquainted with Softimage.

Good Luck.

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Luc-Eric Rousseau 
mailto:luceri...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Daniel Kim 
mailto:danielki...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Softimage in NZ is almost $7k including subscription, but I can't believe
> they don't give any tutorials to customer.
[...]
>
> AD seriously need to consider put some tutorials on their website or nicely
> run Softimage channel on Youtube
seriously dude, there is already a softimage youtube channel, which
others have pointed out.
here are some other tutorials on the autodesk web site.

Softimage tutorials:
http://area.autodesk.com/tutorials?word=&where=1&software=14

Brad's ice masterclass:
https://area.autodesk.com/masterclasses/masterclass/class09_softimage

Adam's "Exploring the power of Non-Linear Character Setup with
Autodesk Softimage"
http://area.autodesk.com/masterclasses/masterclass/class3_q2_2012_adam_sale

ICE particle rendering video..
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?siteID=123112&id=15505585



--

Best Regards,
  Stephen P. Davidson
   (954) 552-7956
sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com<mailto:sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com>

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic

 - 
Arthur C. Clarke

Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Paul Griswold]

Don't forget about http://www.redi-vivus.com - where you can find tons of
older Softimage training.
Even though it's dated, the majority of it is still very useful and can
help you get up to speed.

-Paul



On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Stephen Davidson
wrote:

> When you first open up Softimage a window opens up called Netview.
> In that Netview window, there are two links listed:
> "Essential Skills Videos - Getting Started" (this is a good place to start)
> and "Softimage YouTube Learning Channel"
>
> If you left click on "Essential Skills Videos - Getting Started",
> Netview will open up a menu of videos about certain beginner
> subjects. Left clicking on any of these subjects will launch
> a movie that explains that particular subject.
>
> If you left click on "Softimage YouTube Learning Channel",
> Netview will open up you default internet browser to the
> Softimage YouTube Learning Channel.
>
>
> I can see that other helpful users have posted many other sites
> that contain Softimage tutorials. If you need more, you can
> use a web browser search engine. Google is a great search engine.
> All you have to do is go to www.Google.com and type in the words
> "Softimage Tutorials" in the box marked "search"
> and Google will list even more websites that contain Softimage Tutorials.
>
> If you have any problems accessing these websites, just ask here in the
> discussion group,
> and I'm sure many, here, will jump at the chance to assist you.
>
> I hope these tools helps you to get acquainted with Softimage.
>
> Good Luck.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Luc-Eric Rousseau 
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Daniel Kim 
>> wrote:
>> > Softimage in NZ is almost $7k including subscription, but I can't
>> believe
>> > they don't give any tutorials to customer.
>> [...]
>> >
>> > AD seriously need to consider put some tutorials on their website or
>> nicely
>> > run Softimage channel on Youtube
>>
>> seriously dude, there is already a softimage youtube channel, which
>> others have pointed out.
>> here are some other tutorials on the autodesk web site.
>>
>> Softimage tutorials:
>> http://area.autodesk.com/tutorials?word=&where=1&software=14
>>
>> Brad's ice masterclass:
>> https://area.autodesk.com/masterclasses/masterclass/class09_softimage
>>
>> Adam's "Exploring the power of Non-Linear Character Setup with
>> Autodesk Softimage"
>>
>> http://area.autodesk.com/masterclasses/masterclass/class3_q2_2012_adam_sale
>>
>> ICE particle rendering video..
>> http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?siteID=123112&id=15505585
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Best Regards,
> *  Stephen P. Davidson**
>**(954) 552-7956
> *sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com
>
> *Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic*
>
>
>- Arthur C. Clarke
>
> 
>

Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Daniel Brassard]

Paul Smith excellent video series as well:

http://vimeo.com/pooby


On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Stephen Davidson
wrote:

> When you first open up Softimage a window opens up called Netview.
> In that Netview window, there are two links listed:
> "Essential Skills Videos - Getting Started" (this is a good place to start)
> and "Softimage YouTube Learning Channel"
>
> If you left click on "Essential Skills Videos - Getting Started",
> Netview will open up a menu of videos about certain beginner
> subjects. Left clicking on any of these subjects will launch
> a movie that explains that particular subject.
>
> If you left click on "Softimage YouTube Learning Channel",
> Netview will open up you default internet browser to the
> Softimage YouTube Learning Channel.
>
>
> I can see that other helpful users have posted many other sites
> that contain Softimage tutorials. If you need more, you can
> use a web browser search engine. Google is a great search engine.
> All you have to do is go to www.Google.com and type in the words
> "Softimage Tutorials" in the box marked "search"
> and Google will list even more websites that contain Softimage Tutorials.
>
> If you have any problems accessing these websites, just ask here in the
> discussion group,
> and I'm sure many, here, will jump at the chance to assist you.
>
> I hope these tools helps you to get acquainted with Softimage.
>
> Good Luck.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Luc-Eric Rousseau 
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Daniel Kim 
>> wrote:
>> > Softimage in NZ is almost $7k including subscription, but I can't
>> believe
>> > they don't give any tutorials to customer.
>> [...]
>> >
>> > AD seriously need to consider put some tutorials on their website or
>> nicely
>> > run Softimage channel on Youtube
>>
>> seriously dude, there is already a softimage youtube channel, which
>> others have pointed out.
>> here are some other tutorials on the autodesk web site.
>>
>> Softimage tutorials:
>> http://area.autodesk.com/tutorials?word=&where=1&software=14
>>
>> Brad's ice masterclass:
>> https://area.autodesk.com/masterclasses/masterclass/class09_softimage
>>
>> Adam's "Exploring the power of Non-Linear Character Setup with
>> Autodesk Softimage"
>>
>> http://area.autodesk.com/masterclasses/masterclass/class3_q2_2012_adam_sale
>>
>> ICE particle rendering video..
>> http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?siteID=123112&id=15505585
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Best Regards,
> *  Stephen P. Davidson**
>**(954) 552-7956
> *sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com
>
> *Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic*
>
>
>- Arthur C. Clarke
>
> 
>

Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Stephen Davidson]

When you first open up Softimage a window opens up called Netview.
In that Netview window, there are two links listed:
"Essential Skills Videos - Getting Started" (this is a good place to start)
and "Softimage YouTube Learning Channel"

If you left click on "Essential Skills Videos - Getting Started",
Netview will open up a menu of videos about certain beginner
subjects. Left clicking on any of these subjects will launch
a movie that explains that particular subject.

If you left click on "Softimage YouTube Learning Channel",
Netview will open up you default internet browser to the
Softimage YouTube Learning Channel.


I can see that other helpful users have posted many other sites
that contain Softimage tutorials. If you need more, you can
use a web browser search engine. Google is a great search engine.
All you have to do is go to www.Google.com and type in the words
"Softimage Tutorials" in the box marked "search"
and Google will list even more websites that contain Softimage Tutorials.

If you have any problems accessing these websites, just ask here in the
discussion group,
and I'm sure many, here, will jump at the chance to assist you.

I hope these tools helps you to get acquainted with Softimage.

Good Luck.


On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Luc-Eric Rousseau wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Daniel Kim  wrote:
> > Softimage in NZ is almost $7k including subscription, but I can't believe
> > they don't give any tutorials to customer.
> [...]
> >
> > AD seriously need to consider put some tutorials on their website or
> nicely
> > run Softimage channel on Youtube
>
> seriously dude, there is already a softimage youtube channel, which
> others have pointed out.
> here are some other tutorials on the autodesk web site.
>
> Softimage tutorials:
> http://area.autodesk.com/tutorials?word=&where=1&software=14
>
> Brad's ice masterclass:
> https://area.autodesk.com/masterclasses/masterclass/class09_softimage
>
> Adam's "Exploring the power of Non-Linear Character Setup with
> Autodesk Softimage"
> http://area.autodesk.com/masterclasses/masterclass/class3_q2_2012_adam_sale
>
> ICE particle rendering video..
> http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?siteID=123112&id=15505585
>



-- 

Best Regards,
*  Stephen P. Davidson**
   **(954) 552-7956
*sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com

*Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic*


 - Arthur C. Clarke

Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Mirko Jankovic]

a bit OT but mentioning face robot.. what is happening with it? left on the
side to die slow death or?
from like a king of facial animation it is dropped to footnote inside SI,
no one mentioning while there is a lot of real time facial capture
solutions emerging all over the place.


On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Chris Chia  wrote:

> And a cool tutorial site on face robot:
> http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL551AE1C29578EAE9
>
>
> 
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] on behalf of Daniel Kim [
> danielki...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 5:43 PM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk
> webiste
>
> Softimage in NZ is almost $7k including subscription, but I can't believe
> they don't give any tutorials to customer.
> I've been using Softimage for long time, but still have to learn like ICE
> or new tools. It is unfair paying a lot for a software but no even basic
> tutorials...
> Getting sick of finding movies on Youtube or Digital Tutors for it... Even
> cheaper software like Modo, Cinema4D, and Blender(free) has great tutorials
> on their website or Youtube channel...
>
> AD seriously need to consider put some tutorials on their website or
> nicely run Softimage channel on Youtube
>
> Daniel
>
>
>

RE: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Chris Chia]

And a cool tutorial site on face robot:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL551AE1C29578EAE9



From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] on behalf of Daniel Kim 
[danielki...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 5:43 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

Softimage in NZ is almost $7k including subscription, but I can't believe they 
don't give any tutorials to customer.
I've been using Softimage for long time, but still have to learn like ICE or 
new tools. It is unfair paying a lot for a software but no even basic 
tutorials...
Getting sick of finding movies on Youtube or Digital Tutors for it... Even 
cheaper software like Modo, Cinema4D, and Blender(free) has great tutorials on 
their website or Youtube channel...

AD seriously need to consider put some tutorials on their website or nicely run 
Softimage channel on Youtube

Daniel


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RE: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Grahame Fuller]

It's on the Help menu too, along with a link to the learning path and more.

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From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Luc-Eric Rousseau
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 11:42 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk 
webiste

btw, every time you start Softimage, a little window pops up that says 
"Important Information" and contains a link to the softimage youtube channel.
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Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Luc-Eric Rousseau]

btw, every time you start Softimage, a little window pops up that says
"Important Information" and contains a link to the softimage youtube
channel.

Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[javier gonzalez]

I think that new peoples learning softimage, expect the same amount, that
for example 3dmax tutorials, But i think there is enough softimage
tutorials in order to get a high level in the use of the software. Maybe
its necesary one space to point them all. My two cents


2013/7/18 Luc-Eric Rousseau 

> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Daniel Kim  wrote:
> > Softimage in NZ is almost $7k including subscription, but I can't believe
> > they don't give any tutorials to customer.
> [...]
> >
> > AD seriously need to consider put some tutorials on their website or
> nicely
> > run Softimage channel on Youtube
>
> seriously dude, there is already a softimage youtube channel, which
> others have pointed out.
> here are some other tutorials on the autodesk web site.
>
> Softimage tutorials:
> http://area.autodesk.com/tutorials?word=&where=1&software=14
>
> Brad's ice masterclass:
> https://area.autodesk.com/masterclasses/masterclass/class09_softimage
>
> Adam's "Exploring the power of Non-Linear Character Setup with
> Autodesk Softimage"
> http://area.autodesk.com/masterclasses/masterclass/class3_q2_2012_adam_sale
>
> ICE particle rendering video..
> http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?siteID=123112&id=15505585
>

Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Luc-Eric Rousseau]

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Daniel Kim  wrote:
> Softimage in NZ is almost $7k including subscription, but I can't believe
> they don't give any tutorials to customer.
[...]
>
> AD seriously need to consider put some tutorials on their website or nicely
> run Softimage channel on Youtube

seriously dude, there is already a softimage youtube channel, which
others have pointed out.
here are some other tutorials on the autodesk web site.

Softimage tutorials:
http://area.autodesk.com/tutorials?word=&where=1&software=14

Brad's ice masterclass:
https://area.autodesk.com/masterclasses/masterclass/class09_softimage

Adam's "Exploring the power of Non-Linear Character Setup with
Autodesk Softimage"
http://area.autodesk.com/masterclasses/masterclass/class3_q2_2012_adam_sale

ICE particle rendering video..
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?siteID=123112&id=15505585

Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Alan Fregtman]

Also Eric Thivierge runs a tutorials-only vimeo group:
https://vimeo.com/groups/softimagetutorials/videos

And (shameless plug) I record short'ish tutorials with my friend Miquel at:
https://vimeo.com/tdsurvival/videos



On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 8:26 AM, olivier jeannel wrote:

> Best place for tuts is here :
> https://vimeo.com/groups/ice
> Its not "tuts only", but all your friends are there :-)
>
> Le 18/07/2013 14:18, Chris Chia a écrit :
>
>  Hi Daniel,
>> What Softimage areas are you looking at?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chris
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 18 Jul, 2013, at 5:43 PM, "Daniel Kim"  wrote:
>>
>>  Softimage in NZ is almost $7k including subscription, but I can't
>>> believe they don't give any tutorials to customer.
>>> I've been using Softimage for long time, but still have to learn like
>>> ICE or new tools. It is unfair paying a lot for a software but no even
>>> basic tutorials...
>>> Getting sick of finding movies on Youtube or Digital Tutors for it...
>>> Even cheaper software like Modo, Cinema4D, and Blender(free) has great
>>> tutorials on their website or Youtube channel...
>>>
>>> AD seriously need to consider put some tutorials on their website or
>>> nicely run Softimage channel on Youtube
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[olivier jeannel]

Best place for tuts is here :
https://vimeo.com/groups/ice
Its not "tuts only", but all your friends are there :-)

Le 18/07/2013 14:18, Chris Chia a écrit :

Hi Daniel,
What Softimage areas are you looking at?

Regards,
Chris

Sent from my iPhone

On 18 Jul, 2013, at 5:43 PM, "Daniel Kim"  wrote:


Softimage in NZ is almost $7k including subscription, but I can't believe they 
don't give any tutorials to customer.
I've been using Softimage for long time, but still have to learn like ICE or 
new tools. It is unfair paying a lot for a software but no even basic 
tutorials...
Getting sick of finding movies on Youtube or Digital Tutors for it... Even 
cheaper software like Modo, Cinema4D, and Blender(free) has great tutorials on 
their website or Youtube channel...

AD seriously need to consider put some tutorials on their website or nicely run 
Softimage channel on Youtube

Daniel

Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Chris Chia]

Hi Daniel,
What Softimage areas are you looking at?

Regards,
Chris

Sent from my iPhone

On 18 Jul, 2013, at 5:43 PM, "Daniel Kim"  wrote:

> Softimage in NZ is almost $7k including subscription, but I can't believe 
> they don't give any tutorials to customer.
> I've been using Softimage for long time, but still have to learn like ICE or 
> new tools. It is unfair paying a lot for a software but no even basic 
> tutorials...
> Getting sick of finding movies on Youtube or Digital Tutors for it... Even 
> cheaper software like Modo, Cinema4D, and Blender(free) has great tutorials 
> on their website or Youtube channel...
> 
> AD seriously need to consider put some tutorials on their website or nicely 
> run Softimage channel on Youtube
> 
> Daniel
> 
> 
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Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Ognjen Vukovic]

I know its not from Autodesk, but i think this is a great collection for
anyone looking to get into ice,

http://vimeo.com/channels/softimageice



On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Leonard Koch wrote:

> There are two fairly decent youtube channels by Autodesk.
> One focussed entirely on softimage with a lot of ICE:
> http://www.youtube.com/user/SoftimageHowTos
> And one looking at more technical aspects of all the Autodesk softwares:
> http://www.youtube.com/user/ScriptingSDKHowTos
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Daniel Kim wrote:
>
>> Softimage in NZ is almost $7k including subscription, but I can't believe
>> they don't give any tutorials to customer.
>> I've been using Softimage for long time, but still have to learn like ICE
>> or new tools. It is unfair paying a lot for a software but no even basic
>> tutorials...
>> Getting sick of finding movies on Youtube or Digital Tutors for it...
>> Even cheaper software like Modo, Cinema4D, and Blender(free) has great
>> tutorials on their website or Youtube channel...
>>
>> AD seriously need to consider put some tutorials on their website or
>> nicely run Softimage channel on Youtube
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Leonard Koch]

There are two fairly decent youtube channels by Autodesk.
One focussed entirely on softimage with a lot of ICE:
http://www.youtube.com/user/SoftimageHowTos
And one looking at more technical aspects of all the Autodesk softwares:
http://www.youtube.com/user/ScriptingSDKHowTos


On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Daniel Kim  wrote:

> Softimage in NZ is almost $7k including subscription, but I can't believe
> they don't give any tutorials to customer.
> I've been using Softimage for long time, but still have to learn like ICE
> or new tools. It is unfair paying a lot for a software but no even basic
> tutorials...
> Getting sick of finding movies on Youtube or Digital Tutors for it... Even
> cheaper software like Modo, Cinema4D, and Blender(free) has great tutorials
> on their website or Youtube channel...
>
> AD seriously need to consider put some tutorials on their website or
> nicely run Softimage channel on Youtube
>
> Daniel
>
>
>

Re: I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Paul Griswold]

They do have a YouTube Channel:  http://www.youtube.com/user/SoftimageHowTos

-Paul



On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Daniel Kim  wrote:

> Softimage in NZ is almost $7k including subscription, but I can't believe
> they don't give any tutorials to customer.
> I've been using Softimage for long time, but still have to learn like ICE
> or new tools. It is unfair paying a lot for a software but no even basic
> tutorials...
> Getting sick of finding movies on Youtube or Digital Tutors for it... Even
> cheaper software like Modo, Cinema4D, and Blender(free) has great tutorials
> on their website or Youtube channel...
>
> AD seriously need to consider put some tutorials on their website or
> nicely run Softimage channel on Youtube
>
> Daniel
>
>
>

I can't believe there is no tutorial for Softimage on Autodesk webiste

[Daniel Kim]

Softimage in NZ is almost $7k including subscription, but I can't believe
they don't give any tutorials to customer.
I've been using Softimage for long time, but still have to learn like ICE
or new tools. It is unfair paying a lot for a software but no even basic
tutorials...
Getting sick of finding movies on Youtube or Digital Tutors for it... Even
cheaper software like Modo, Cinema4D, and Blender(free) has great tutorials
on their website or Youtube channel...

AD seriously need to consider put some tutorials on their website or nicely
run Softimage channel on Youtube

Daniel