Diamond Head Draw Bar Pull Results
Here are the results from the 2005 Diamondhead International Small Scale Steamup Draw Bar Pull. As in the past two years the Bruce Gathman designed measuring device was used in the event. Twenty-one locomotives and one dog competed in the competition. Use the results for comparison between the different models tested and any you might own. * designates the most powerful in the category. 1 Axel Powered *Bob McHale Wood Thing BAGRS 18.8 oz He needs some competition next year. The three years and your out rule applies in 2007 if he wins again next year. 2 Axels Powered *Sal Martoucci Roundhouse Sammie 42.0 oz Mike Simpson Roundhouse Sammie 37.4 oz Dave Graley Rishon 7/8ths Forney24.1 oz Bryan DeKleles Accucraft Ruby 7.8 oz Tracy LeeAccucraft Fort Wilderness 19.9 oz No deduction for ear piercing whistle of the burner and the noxious smell of burning paint! Bob StarrAccucraft Ruby 11.9 oz Jeff Young Scratch Victoria 4.7 oz Walt SchwartzBerkley Cricket 9.0 oz 3 Axels Powered Peter Jobush Argyle Ten Wheeler 33.3 oz *Bob Starr Accucraft Superior 48.9 oz Wow, an 0-6-0 pulled as much as a Mikado! 4 Axels Powered Jan DeKeles Aristo Craft Mikado 48.9 oz Looks like this will be an outstanding locomotive for the price. Too bad the Aster Berkshire wasn't tested! Tim Hytrek Accucraft C-21 44.4 oz Dave Barker Accucraft K-27 64.9 oz *David Bailey Accucraft/DJB C-21 84.0 oz Claimed handicap having to coal fire left handed. Doug Joslyn Accucraft C-21 39.7 oz Geared Locos Bill Payne Aster 2 Truck Climax 47.3 oz *Tim Hytrek Accucraft 3 Cyl Shay 53.6 oz Dave Barker Accucraft 2 Cyl Shay 44.4 oz Mike BennettAccucraft 2 Cyl Shay 34.5 oz Al Sadler Aster 3 Truck Climax 16.5 oz 4 Pawed (new special category - limited to less than 10 pounds overall weight.) *Wolfgang JobushBreed Not Specified 69.9 oz Toe nail sharpening is not allowed in this category. Thanks to Bill Burgess and Jim Sanders for their help running this contest. Bruce Gathman Eldorado Timber and Mining Company Tall Trees - Deep Shafts Live Steam Shay Locomotives and Lots of Logs Cars! Bruce G. Gathman, President -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 1/19/2005
Re: RE: The Spitinator
Andre', I've seen no reason to use it on the three cylinder. And the design is totally different. Bruce On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:28:01 +, Andre' Schofield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce, I'll assume the Spitinator will also work on the 3 cylinder Shay? If so please email me more info please!! Andre' Eldorado Timber and Mining Company Tall Trees - Deep Shafts Live Steam Shay Locomotives and Lots of Logs Cars! Bruce G. Gathman, President
Re: Speaking of water pumps . . .
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:03:11 -0700, Royce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm doing some design work on an axle pump for my Philly. A while back I asked whether the passages that hold the check valve balls need to be vertical. Now I have a related question. Can the check valves be located a distance from the actual pump ram ? Not far, just maybe 1 away. I could then duct the input and output water to a site more tolerant of vertical check valves. My Aster Shay has a pump in the tender and the check valve is just behind the smoke box. This is several inches of run. royce in SB Bruce Gathman The links provided below are ways to donate to a cause or causes for free. www.bigcats.care2.com www.breastcancer.care2.com www.children.care2.com www.oceans.care2.com www.pets.care2.com www.primates.care2.com www.rainforest.care2.com www.stopviolence.care2.com www.theanimalrescuesite.com www.thebreastcancersite.com www.thechildhealthsite.com www.thehungersite.com www.therainforestsite.com
Shay Days Schedule
Shay Days Steamup and Historical Programs are fast approaching. Below is a schedule of events planned for all who are steamers. If you don't have a live steam geared locomotive there are many interesting programs and events scheduled for the entire weekend. Inquiries should be sent to Bruce Gathman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shay Days 2004 Steamup Schedule Thursday 1:00 p.m. Canopy and track set-up and testing at Shay Park. 5:00 - 6:30 p.m. Smorgasbord dinner at United Methodist Church on Main St. 7:00 p.m. Show and program set-up at the Hexagon. Run any trains. Friday 9:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Steaming. Open to public 10:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Lunch at any of the local eating establishments. Try Gurney's Bottle Shop on Main Street if you want a REALLY good sandwich (a Train Wreck is their specialty) and enjoy the waterfront as you nosh your purchase. 7:00 p.m. Cookout for all registered steam-up participants and spouses, sponsored by the HSAHS board members. To be held in the steamup area. This is included in your registration fee of $25.00 (also included are; fuel, water, other steam-up necessities and two admission passes for the entire weekend. Saturday 9:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Steaming. Open to the public 10:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Lunch at any of the fine local eating establishments. Juilleret's is a fifth generation, family owned, restaurant with the Big J sandwich - a favorite of Bruce's. 7:00 p.m. Participants, spouses and guests go out to dinner together at Crows Nest Restaurant just south of Cross Village or on your own. You can take M-119 the scenic route or County #77/State Road north out of Harbor Springs about 14 miles. This is another unique restaurant in the north country. See map on reverse. Sign up with Mary Gathman by noon today. Sunday 9:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Steaming. Open to the public 12:00 noon to 6:00 p.m. Lunch at any of the extraordinary local eating establishments. Mary Ellen's serves great breakfast and lunch fare and you can get a Sunday paper from many of the larger cities. 6:00 p.m. Tear down tracks and tents. 7:00 p.m. Dinner and an evening of kibitzing for the remaining participants and their spouses at Bruce and Mary Gathman's home at 6200 South State Road. Make reservations with Mary Gathman by noon today and get directions from her if needed. Safety Please be aware that the public will be near your equipment. Take necessary precautions to warn children and adults about the dangers involved with live steam. Please take the time to explain about the Shay geared locomotive and suggest they go in to see the displays and programs inside the Hexagon for a more complete understanding. Important Information Since this event is being held at a city park - there can be no alcoholic beverages consumed on site. Remember this is for Shay and other geared locomotives only. If your prototype wasn't a gear driven locomotive then keep it in the box during public show hours please. Anything goes before or after regular hours. Enjoy! The links provided below are ways to donate to a cause or causes for free. www.bigcats.care2.com www.breastcancer.care2.com www.children.care2.com www.oceans.care2.com www.pets.care2.com www.primates.care2.com www.rainforest.care2.com www.stopviolence.care2.com www.theanimalrescuesite.com www.thebreastcancersite.com www.thechildhealthsite.com www.thehungersite.com www.therainforestsite.com
Re: Imported steam
Let's not forget the unforgettable Hyde Out Mountain Shay that was built in the US by Jerry Hyde. B Gathman The links provided below are ways to donate to a cause or causes for free. www.bigcats.care2.com www.breastcancer.care2.com www.children.care2.com www.oceans.care2.com www.pets.care2.com www.primates.care2.com www.rainforest.care2.com www.stopviolence.care2.com www.theanimalrescuesite.com www.thebreastcancersite.com www.thechildhealthsite.com www.thehungersite.com www.therainforestsite.com
Re: Midwest Steam-up After Action Report
Jim, Only ONE climbed a 70% grade - the winner of course. BG On Thu, 20 May 2004 17:45:20 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did I read that right -- those shays climbed a 70% grade? Jim Crabb The links provided below are ways to donate to a cause or causes for free. www.bigcats.care2.com www.breastcancer.care2.com www.children.care2.com www.oceans.care2.com www.pets.care2.com www.primates.care2.com www.rainforest.care2.com www.theanimalrescuesite.com www.thebreastcancersite.com www.thechildhealthsite.com www.thehungersite.com www.therainforestsite.com
RE: Midwest Steam-up After Action Report
Mike, Only preparation is get up lots of steam as you will be pulling very hard for several feet and cleaning off any oil from the wheels. Depending on where the steam is tapped from the boiler will determine water level. Usually the 2 cylinders are run up backwards to allow steam pickup with almost a full boiler of water as the tap is on the very rear of the boiler You are right about converting from degrees to percent. I found it much easier to use a degree finder and have a conversion chart than to measure each run and then do math to calculate the grade. BG On Thu, 20 May 2004 22:25:45 -0700, Michael Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was amazed by the Hill Climb figures that Bruce included in his after steamup report! It appears that the track inclination was set in degrees and then converted to the percentage grades he reported. The steepest grade reported (70.02%) equates to exactly 35 degrees. Another way to express this is that the engine climbed 6 feet, ten and one half inches over the 12 foot long course! What I am curious about is how the engines are prepared for this sort of contest. I would guess that the boilers must be nearly empty to avoid priming. The links provided below are ways to donate to a cause or causes for free. www.bigcats.care2.com www.breastcancer.care2.com www.children.care2.com www.oceans.care2.com www.pets.care2.com www.primates.care2.com www.rainforest.care2.com www.theanimalrescuesite.com www.thebreastcancersite.com www.thechildhealthsite.com www.thehungersite.com www.therainforestsite.com
Midwest Steam-up After Action Report
The following is an after action report of the activities held at the Midwest Steam-Up on May 7-9, 2004. The results for the three events are as follows: The Hill Climb 12' long track 1. Al Bowyer Accucraft 2 cylinder Shay 70.02% grade 2. Jim Sanders Accucraft 2 cylinder Shay 67.45% 3. Bruce Gathman Accucraft 2 cylinder Shay 56.58% 4. Al Bowyer Accucraft 3 cylinder Shay 37.39% 5. Noel Crawford Catatonk Shay 26.79% 6. Tim Hytrek Accucraft 3 cylinder Shay 20%approx no full climb 7. Bill Kay McHale BAGRS 0% wheels would not touch rails due to clearance problems. The Go Slow Race 6' long course 1. John Fuller Accucraft 2 cylinder Shay 6:14.24 min Had to quit midway due to running out of gas or we may still be there. It took 3 minutes to travel the length of the locomotive. 2. Jim Sanders Accucraft 2 cylinder Shay 3:09.68 3. Tim Hytrek Accucraft 3 cylinder Shay 2:28.90 4. Bruce Gathman Accucraft 2 cylinder Shay 1:28.03 5. Al Bowyer Accucraft 2 cylinder Shay 1:20.30 6. John Garrett DJB Climax 19.67 seconds 7. Ernie Noa Scratch built Brazil 09.11 The Drawbar Pull Using the Bruce Gathman measuring device as written up in Steam in the Garden last year. 1. Tim Hytrek Accucraft 3 cylinder Shay 7.30 pounds 2. Jim Sanders Accucraft 2 cylinder Shay 6.45 3. Sam DiMaggio Accucraft 3 cylinder Shay 6.29 4. Terry Seese Accucraft 3 cylinder Shay 5.30 5. John Fuller Accucraft 2 cylinder Shay 4.23 6. John Fuller Roundhouse Stanley 2.19 7. John Garrett Accucraft Ruby 1.71 8. Greg Colona 7/8ths Roundhouse Odd Ball 1.63 9. Tim Hytrek Accucraft Ruby 1.44 10. John Fuller Aster Grasshopper .54 11. Bob Pennock Aster Grasshopper .33 Both Grasshoppers had the fan on the stack to improve draft and weight. Competition was hot and heavy at times. Some people improved over last year and others didn't do quite as well. Fun was had by all who entered and many spectators couldn't believe the grades being climbed! Bruce Gathman and able second-hand man Jim Sanders. Ministers of Fun and Games The links provided below are ways to donate to a cause or causes for free. www.bigcats.care2.com www.breastcancer.care2.com www.children.care2.com www.oceans.care2.com www.pets.care2.com www.primates.care2.com www.rainforest.care2.com www.theanimalrescuesite.com www.thebreastcancersite.com www.thechildhealthsite.com www.thehungersite.com www.therainforestsite.com
Re: Where is steamvault.com?
On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 16:48:30 -0800 (PST), Shekhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Folks, Who maintains the domain steamvault.com, links on which appear on many live steam websites (steamup.com, etc)? I was trying to get some articles on radiant poker burners from there, but it appears the domain registration has expired. Does anyone know if the SitG articles are archived somewhere else? They'd be archived in back issues of the magazine. Available from Steam in the Garden directly or on ebay sometimes. Bruce Gathman The links provided below are ways to donate to a cause or causes for free. www.bigcats.care2.com www.breastcancer.care2.com www.children.care2.com www.oceans.care2.com www.pets.care2.com www.primates.care2.com www.rainforest.care2.com www.theanimalrescuesite.com www.thebreastcancersite.com www.thechildhealthsite.com www.thehungersite.com www.therainforestsite.com
Re: Re: Mikado springs
Vance, You don't have enough rear to have a sagging problem! Bruce On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:30:15 -0700, Vance Bass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patrick, I looked in the mirror this morning and noticed that my rear is sagging, too. If you find a fix for this, please post. :-) -vance- This is the time in life that I am living, and I'll face each day with a smile. For the time that I've been given is such a little while Arthur Lee The links provided below are ways to donate to a cause or causes for free. www.bigcats.care2.com www.breastcancer.care2.com www.children.care2.com www.oceans.care2.com www.pets.care2.com www.primates.care2.com www.rainforest.care2.com www.theanimalrescuesite.com www.thebreastcancersite.com www.thechildhealthsite.com www.thehungersite.com www.therainforestsite.com
Magazines
I have just uploaded MANY back issues of Steam in the Garden, early Garden Railways, Finelines and other narrow gauge and live steam magazines and books on eBay. If you might be interested please search under my user ID of shayloco to find what is currently being listed. If you need back issues you won't be sorry you did. Bruce Gathman The links provided below are ways to donate to a cause or causes for free. www.bigcats.care2.com www.breastcancer.care2.com www.children.care2.com www.oceans.care2.com www.pets.care2.com www.primates.care2.com www.rainforest.care2.com www.theanimalrescuesite.com www.thebreastcancersite.com www.thechildhealthsite.com www.thehungersite.com www.therainforestsite.com
Diamondhead Drawbar Pulling Contest Results
The following are the results from the Drawbar Pulling Contest at the International Small Scale Steam-Up at Diamondhead, Mississippi held Saturday January 17, 2004. The pulling device used was the one designed by Bruce Gathman as written up in Steam in the Garden magazine and measures in ounces of pull from the drawbar. 2 Driver CLass 1st Bob McHale 7/8ths BAGRS Wood Thing 20.3 2nd Murray Wilson 1936 Marklin6.8 4 Driver Class 1st Karl Oelschlaeger Roundhouse Millie 39.8 2nd Gerald Miller Roundhouse Forney 34.5 6 Driver Class 1st Peter Oelschlaeger Roundhouse Gunga Din52.2 2nd Tim Chamberlain Cheddar Baldwin 41.7 3rd Ernie Noa Roundhouse Old Colonial 34.9 8 Driver Class 1st Bob Weltyk Accucraft K-27 109 2nd Dick Jacobs Accucraft C-16 65.9 3rd Steve Heselton Accucraft C-16 64.8 4th David BaileyDJB C-25 Coal 49.6 Smaller Gauges 1st Brian GibsonBassett Lowke Mogul 13.9 2nd Bill Shipp Coffee Pot13.8 3rd Jerry ReshewRegner HO 1.1 Geared Locomotives 1st Joe HallAccucraft 3Cyl Shay 127 2nd Chris Sortina Accucraft 2Cyl Shay 95.5 3rd Bill Payne Aster Climax87.8 4th Al Bowyer Accucraft 3Cyl Shay 83.5 5th Al Sadler Aster WM Shay 66.0 As the saying goes - Shay - Gears Rule! Although not weighing nearly as much as the K-27 the new Accucraft 3 cylinder Shay out pulled it by about 15%. Many owners made numerous excuses for their poor performance but the results do not lie. A couple of the winners were the same as last year and need some competition. The three wins and you are out rule may come into effect next year. Start tuning now for next years competition. The links provided below are ways to donate to a cause or causes for free. www.bigcats.care2.com www.breastcancer.care2.com www.children.care2.com www.oceans.care2.com www.pets.care2.com www.primates.care2.com www.rainforest.care2.com www.theanimalrescuesite.com www.thebreastcancersite.com www.thechildhealthsite.com www.thehungersite.com www.therainforestsite.com
Diamondhead Drawbar Pulling Contest Results
The following are the results from the Drawbar Pulling Contest at the International Small Scale Steam-Up at Diamondhead, Mississippi held Saturday January 17, 2004. The pulling device used was the one designed by Bruce Gathman as written up in Steam in the Garden magazine and measures in ounces of pull from the drawbar. 2 Driver CLass 1st Bob McHale 7/8ths BAGRS Wood Thing 20.3 2nd Murray Wilson 1936 Marklin6.8 4 Driver Class 1st Karl Oelschlaeger Roundhouse Millie 39.8 2nd Gerald Miller Roundhouse Forney 34.5 6 Driver Class 1st Peter Oelschlaeger Roundhouse Gunga Din52.2 2nd Tim Chamberlain Cheddar Baldwin 41.7 3rd Ernie Noa Roundhouse Old Colonial 34.9 8 Driver Class 1st Bob Weltyk Accucraft K-27 109 2nd Dick Jacobs Accucraft C-16 65.9 3rd Steve Heselton Accucraft C-16 64.8 4th David BaileyDJB C-25 Coal 49.6 Smaller Gauges 1st Brian GibsonBassett Lowke Mogul 13.9 2nd Bill Shipp Coffee Pot13.8 3rd Jerry ReshewRegner HO 1.1 Geared Locomotives 1st Joe HallAccucraft 3Cyl Shay 127 2nd Chris Sortina Accucraft 2Cyl Shay 95.5 3rd Bill Payne Aster Climax87.8 4th Al Bowyer Accucraft 3Cyl Shay 83.5 5th Al Sadler Aster WM Shay 66.0 As the saying goes - Shay - Gears Rule! Although not weighing nearly as much as the K-27 the new Accucraft 3 cylinder Shay out pulled it by about 15%. Many owners made numerous excuses for their poor performance but the results do not lie. A couple of the winners were the same as last year and need some competition. The three wins and you are out rule may come into effect next year. Start tuning now for next years competition. The links provided below are ways to donate to a cause or causes for free. www.bigcats.care2.com www.breastcancer.care2.com www.children.care2.com www.oceans.care2.com www.pets.care2.com www.primates.care2.com www.rainforest.care2.com www.theanimalrescuesite.com www.thebreastcancersite.com www.thechildhealthsite.com www.thehungersite.com www.therainforestsite.com
Re: Merry Christmas!
Happy boxing day or whatever! On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:15:16 -, mart.towers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MERRY CHRISTMAS! Art Walker The links provided below are ways to donate to a cause or causes for free. www.bigcats.care2.com www.breastcancer.care2.com www.oceans.care2.com www.pets.care2.com www.primates.care2.com www.rainforest.care2.com www.theanimalrescuesite.com www.thebreastcancersite.com www.thechildhealthsite.com www.thehungersite.com www.therainforestsite.com
Re: Looking for Scale Drawings
Since you already have the locomotive. Photographs may be of more help than plans for adding detail. Bruce Gathman On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:29:11 -0800, Bob Magill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All Planning some detail work on my Accucraft K-27 and am looking for a source of quality scale drawings/prints for same, as well as other famous Mikados (K-series, C-series, etc). Anyone know of a source that might be selling such drawings??? Thanks / Regards --- Bob Happy Steaming The links provided below are ways to donate to a cause or causes for free. www.bigcats.care2.com www.breastcancer.care2.com www.oceans.care2.com www.pets.care2.com www.primates.care2.com www.rainforest.care2.com www.theanimalrescuesite.com www.thebreastcancersite.com www.thechildhealthsite.com www.thehungersite.com www.therainforestsite.com
Northern Welsh Narrow Gauge Video
A few copies still remain of Erv Mueller's video entitled Northern Welsh Narrow Gauge. It covers several of the great 2' lines in northern Wales. They would make great Christmas presents for narrow minded people. Copies in VHS, a little over two hours long, are $25.00. On DVD they are $35.00. Shipping to anywhere in the US is $5.00 per order. Shipping elsewhere or other video formats please write for information. All of the proceeds goes to Erv's widow Pat. Thanks, Bruce Gathman The links provided below are ways to donate to a cause or causes for free. www.bigcats.care2.com www.breastcancer.care2.com www.oceans.care2.com www.pets.care2.com www.primates.care2.com www.rainforest.care2.com www.theanimalrescuesite.com www.thebreastcancersite.com www.thechildhealthsite.com www.thehungersite.com www.therainforestsite.com
Re: Re: knock, knock ...Here's One
Keith, Take a look at the new Accucraft 2-6-0 announced in print ads. They've already made the chassis and a locomotive to go with it. Bruce Gathman for you on Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:58:01 -0400, Keith Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bob! Nice picture of your chassis! Just looking, what would be the chance of adding another driver? With the frame extended out so far behind the last driver, it looks like it could take another driver with room to spare, and give you a really nice Mogul or ten wheeler? Southern logging lines, like the Argent Lumber Co. and the Surrey Sussex Southampton in Virginia had nice Baldwin and Porter Moguls and Ten Wheelers with smallish drivers for use in the woods not only hauling log trains, but the employee's passenger extras and U.S. mail trains. Your chassis would be just the ticket for such a locomotive, and really be something out of the ordinary! Keith Taylor - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 1:38 PM Subject: Re: knock, knock ...Here's One Yep, Dave, steamin', workin' for money, and workin' in the shop. Sometimes the pooter is more for a drawing aid than a plaything. Here is a project I started, but shelved for the time being. A Ruby 4-4-0, picture here: http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/BobStarr/Pictures/4-4-0%20R.jpg Eccentrics will be moved to the front axle. I don't think that I can go with larger wheels. I am going to have to turn my own front truck wheels from some cast stock as I cannot find anything small enough. They need to be .75 on the tread. Meanwhile, I am finishing up a Ruby Forney, a bit unlike the rest I have seen. Will this start a discussion, Dave? Bob Starr The links provided below are ways to donate to a cause or causes for free. www.bigcats.care2.com www.breastcancer.care2.com www.oceans.care2.com www.pets.care2.com www.primates.care2.com www.rainforest.care2.com www.theanimalrescuesite.com www.thebreastcancersite.com www.thechildhealthsite.com www.thehungersite.com www.therainforestsite.com
Re: Re: VPC Drawings/Shay engine
Arthur, Shay Days is only about 11 months away. Better get hopping! You can be the second to attend from GB. Bruce Gathman On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:33:39 +0100, mart.towers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter McCabe re-engined a Steamlines Shay by using drawings scaled from Kozo Hiraoka's book as a basis. I know 'cos I have the lokey - all in bits at the moment awaiting correction of all the other Tom Cooper infelicities. Art Walker - Original Message - From: Terry Griner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 12:03 PM Subject: Re: VPC Drawings Harry, If you ever get around to doing drawings for a small two cylinder Shay, I'd like to get a copy. Terry Griner Columbus Ohio USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/11/2003 10:44:12 PM At 10:13 PM 8/11/03 -0400, you wrote: Drawings arrived in fine shape today Got any Vest Pocket SHAY drawings??? No . . . not yet. hw The links provided below are ways to donate to a cause or causes for free. www.bigcats.care2.com www.breastcancer.care2.com www.oceans.care2.com www.pets.care2.com www.primates.care2.com www.rainforest.care2.com www.theanimalrescuesite.com www.thebreastcancersite.com www.thechildhealthsite.com www.thehungersite.com www.therainforestsite.com
Re: Re: Re: VPC Drawings/Shay engine
Alan Walker. Is he your cousin or something like that? Bruce On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:29:02 +0100, mart.towers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More concerned that a visit to Ernie Co is only 3 days away. Who was Brit #1?? Art - Original Message - From: Bruce Gathman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:39 PM Subject: Re: Re: VPC Drawings/Shay engine Arthur, Shay Days is only about 11 months away. Better get hopping! You can be the second to attend from GB. Bruce Gathman On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:33:39 +0100, mart.towers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter McCabe re-engined a Steamlines Shay by using drawings scaled from Kozo Hiraoka's book as a basis. I know 'cos I have the lokey - all in bits at the moment awaiting correction of all the other Tom Cooper infelicities. Art Walker - Original Message - From: Terry Griner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 12:03 PM Subject: Re: VPC Drawings Harry, If you ever get around to doing drawings for a small two cylinder Shay, I'd like to get a copy. Terry Griner Columbus Ohio USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/11/2003 10:44:12 PM At 10:13 PM 8/11/03 -0400, you wrote: Drawings arrived in fine shape today Got any Vest Pocket SHAY drawings??? No . . . not yet. hw The links provided below are ways to donate to a cause or causes for free. www.bigcats.care2.com www.breastcancer.care2.com www.oceans.care2.com www.pets.care2.com www.primates.care2.com www.rainforest.care2.com www.theanimalrescuesite.com www.thebreastcancersite.com www.thechildhealthsite.com www.thehungersite.com www.therainforestsite.com The links provided below are ways to donate to a cause or causes for free. www.bigcats.care2.com www.breastcancer.care2.com www.oceans.care2.com www.pets.care2.com www.primates.care2.com www.rainforest.care2.com www.theanimalrescuesite.com www.thebreastcancersite.com www.thechildhealthsite.com www.thehungersite.com www.therainforestsite.com
Re: Cylinder Castings
Robb, Nobody ever heard of a speedy Shay!? How's the project coming along? Will you be able to make it to the Midwest in a couple of weeks to display your progress. The Shay should be just about complete as it was a long COLD winter in Michigan. Bruce G. On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 12:31:09 -0400, Robb and Cheryl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone used the cylinder castings for Dot that Sulphur Sprigs sells? CYLINDER CASTING SET for DOT or other Ga. 1 engines with D valves, Material Bronze, Consists of 2 ea.: Cylinders, valves, steamchests, end covers steamchest covers. Bore can be machined from 7/16 to 9/16 diameter, stroke up to 1 in length.HLP-C1 I am working on a three cylinder Shay and think these might speed up the progress of the engine. Thanks Robb in West Michigan The links provided below are ways to donate to a cause or causes for free. www.bigcats.care2.com www.breastcancer.care2.com www.oceans.care2.com www.primates.care2.com www.rainforest.care2.com www.theanimalrescuesite.com www.thebreastcancersite.com www.thechildhealthsite.com www.thehungersite.com www.therainforestsite.com
Re: Re: Re: Re: Surveys Fuel
Peter, I'd say is was the alcohol fumes or just maybe the other kind of alcohol that isn't taken in by breathing. The 16mm table inside the medium track was always interesting to look at first thing in the morning. It was an indication as to what was currently available locally or whether or not you had run out of the personally imported stuff. On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:53:27 -0500, Peter Foley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:41 AM 16/03/03, Bruce Gathman wrote: It was on the table directly across from the registration table or towards to front door from the drawbar pulling table. Which proves I need to pay more attention to what's going on around me! Fog, you say!!! pf The links provided below are ways to donate to a cause or causes for free. www.bigcats.care2.com www.breastcancer.care2.com www.oceans.care2.com www.primates.care2.com www.rainforest.care2.com www.theanimalrescuesite.com www.thebreastcancersite.com www.thechildhealthsite.com www.thehungersite.com www.therainforestsite.com
Re: Re: Surveys Fuel
Accucraft asked the market at the Diamondhead 2003 convention. On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 22:18:09 -0500, Jeff Runge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary, the focus group was CURRENT ASTER OWNERS, so you are saying you think aster customers are unemployed ? I doubt it, retired, I hope I'm buying 20k engines when I retire, disabled..maybe , stuck at home? plenty of us make it to DH and with our Aster engines. But maybe some do get snowed in. Aster was polling their customer group. When was the last time Accucraft or Roundhouse asked thier North American market what they would like.? Jeff in NC The links provided below are ways to donate to a cause or causes for free. www.bigcats.care2.com www.breastcancer.care2.com www.oceans.care2.com www.primates.care2.com www.rainforest.care2.com www.theanimalrescuesite.com www.thebreastcancersite.com www.thechildhealthsite.com www.thehungersite.com www.therainforestsite.com
Re: Re: Re: Surveys Fuel
Peter It was on the table directly across from the registration table or towards to front door from the drawbar pulling table. Jim Marski was there as the Accucraft Rep and got to hear from many individuals and dealers. I know Pat Mueller told him her horror story about a certain dealer not returning a deposit Erv had placed before he died. Bruce On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 08:43:46 -0500, Peter Foley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:40 AM 16/03/03, Bruce Gathman wrote: Accucraft asked the market at the Diamondhead 2003 convention. Hmm..I was there, but don't recall this at all. If my faulty memory has it correct, Accucraft wasn't even officially 'there' this year. Are you sure you're not confusing this with another event, Bruce? regards, pf The links provided below are ways to donate to a cause or causes for free. www.bigcats.care2.com www.breastcancer.care2.com www.oceans.care2.com www.primates.care2.com www.rainforest.care2.com www.theanimalrescuesite.com www.thebreastcancersite.com www.thechildhealthsite.com www.thehungersite.com www.therainforestsite.com
Re: Re: Re: Surveys Fuel
Us Shay fans stuffed the ballot box big time!! If they build from the list you won't see anything but Shays for the next ten years. Bruce On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 10:44:53 -0500, Jeff Runge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, any idea what kind of input they got? I also missed them. I do remember seeing a table against the wall there, but no bodies to talk to, or even an indication that is was the Accucraft official rep. This gas vs meth is like the automatic vs manual shift in cars...and you can still get both, after all these years. - Original Message - From: Mike Eorgoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 10:21 AM Subject: Re: Re: Surveys Fuel The sales manager was there on Saturday with one of the new stock cars, and a sheet asking about what to make next. He was at the tables in the walkway by the sign up desk. Mike Eorgoff - Original Message - From: Peter Foley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 7:43 AM Subject: Re: Re: Surveys Fuel At 07:40 AM 16/03/03, Bruce Gathman wrote: Accucraft asked the market at the Diamondhead 2003 convention. Hmm..I was there, but don't recall this at all. If my faulty memory has it correct, Accucraft wasn't even officially 'there' this year. Are you sure you're not confusing this with another event, Bruce? regards, pf The links provided below are ways to donate to a cause or causes for free. www.bigcats.care2.com www.breastcancer.care2.com www.oceans.care2.com www.primates.care2.com www.rainforest.care2.com www.theanimalrescuesite.com www.thebreastcancersite.com www.thechildhealthsite.com www.thehungersite.com www.therainforestsite.com
Re: Re: Back to the Wall was Back to O rings
Jeffery is the Giraffe from Toys Are US - right? On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:37:58 -0800, Geoff Spenceley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well said, Tony, Toot toot to Jeffrey--why, he even spells his name wrong! Tch, Tch!! However I wish we had a train up here--even if it was a K27 with JEFFREY as the driver! Sorry--engineer! Geoff. Yup, Dem Hobbits can sure run fast after dem Duchess's though!. I also know now why the Redwoods can grow for hundreds of years.- Because it takes that long for a K27 to get to them before they can be chopped down!. (She'll be coming round the mountain when she comes!.) Remind you of anyone?. Toot, toot, Tony D. At 06:44 PM 3/14/03 -0800, Jeffrey Williams wrote: Funny how the names of all of the RR lines and towns Tony refers in JoE (Jolly old England) sound like they are lifted right out of Lord of the Rings!! Towns in Hobbitshire! On the other hand, Tony does have certain physical characteristics.. The links provided below are ways to donate to a cause or causes for free. www.bigcats.care2.com www.breastcancer.care2.com www.oceans.care2.com www.primates.care2.com www.rainforest.care2.com www.theanimalrescuesite.com www.thebreastcancersite.com www.thechildhealthsite.com www.thehungersite.com www.therainforestsite.com
Re: Re: Aster Alisan wick problem
Been watching this tread and finally have a comment. I have an Aster Alisan Shay and put brick wicks in it with John Mr. Brick Wicks Garrett's help last fall and the fuel supply was turned down from a full turn open to at most one-quarter turn open to keep up good steam. The fire was nice and hot with less fuel useage. After that success I also did it to my Lindsay Shay with similar results. It is easy to do and almost idiot proof. No more dark art of wick packing etc. Give it a serious try and you will probably be sold like I was. By the way John gave a great seminar at Diamondhead 2003. Bruce Gathman On Fri, 07 Feb 2003 09:34:36 -0600, Trent Dowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary, Although your problem is now solved, have you considered trying the firebrick wicks that was discussed on this list a while back? At the very least, they're a lot of fun to experiment with. To answer your question, I think (not sure) that in the reference section of southernsteamtrains.com there's an article on how to tune your wicks. Lots of other great info there as well. Later, Trent Gary wrote: Do you have any advice about how to pack wicks and how to trim wicks? The links provided below are ways to donate to a cause or causes for free. www.bigcats.care2.com www.breastcancer.care2.com www.oceans.care2.com www.primates.care2.com www.rainforest.care2.com www.theanimalrescuesite.com www.thebreastcancersite.com www.thechildhealthsite.com www.thehungersite.com www.therainforestsite.com
Re: Re: Drawbar Pulling Competition Results
Bob, I would say that the summer steamup management will need to handle this. I'd be glad to come with the equipment if they want to pay my way! Bruce Gathman On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:52:10 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will you bring the drawbar to the summer steamup in Sac? Bob The links provided below are ways to donate to a cause or causes for free. www.bigcats.care2.com www.breastcancer.care2.com www.oceans.care2.com www.primates.care2.com www.rainforest.care2.com www.theanimalrescuesite.com www.thebreastcancersite.com www.thechildhealthsite.com www.thehungersite.com www.therainforestsite.com
Re: 45% adhesion power
Gary, The only friction adhancer allowed was good old chalk. Bruce Gathman On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:43:59 -0800, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good grief! Did the loco have amber rubbed on the drive wheel rims? I would expect a rack loco to perform that well. But a simple traction loco is amazing! Gary - Running trains over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor - Original Message - From: Phil Paskos To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 8:22 PM Subject: Re: Re: Drawbar Pulling Competition Results Good grief. That's incredible. I really do wish I was there to see that! Phil Phil, My entry was correct - 46%. It totally threw me too. The only adhesion improver allowed was chalking the rails. I had devised a track that could be elevated to 22.5% grade and we had to stack boxes etc under one end and calculate the grade manually. The high end was barely reachable from standing on a chair in a 12 foot length of track. We immediately moved every thing off the tables to the floor The links provided below are ways to donate to a cause or causes for free. www.bigcats.care2.com www.breastcancer.care2.com www.oceans.care2.com www.primates.care2.com www.rainforest.care2.com www.theanimalrescuesite.com www.thebreastcancersite.com www.thechildhealthsite.com www.thehungersite.com www.therainforestsite.com
Re: Drawbar Pulling Competition Results
Everyone, There really are no rules. Like I said it amazes me that no one has tried anything trick yet to my knowledge. At St. Louis we have a hill climb event just asking for someone to make modifications. Of course the record climb was 46% grade by John Garrett's DJB Climax. Now I know John likes to tinker but things looked rather stock. It did't get a technical inspection after winning like NASCAR. Eldorado Timber Mining Co. Bruce G. Gathman, President Tall Trees - Deep Shafts On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 21:25:07 -0800, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about traction tires? Extra weight? Rack rail? Gary - Terror Trestle's Aster Alisan shay is enroute finally from Germany to Eugene, Oregon! http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor - Original Message - From: Phil Paskos To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:57 PM Subject: Re: Diamondhead Drawbar Pulling Competition Results Are sanders allowed? How about Jetex assist? (do they still make those?) Sneak a motor drive in the tender? I knew there was a reason I wanted to go there. (VBG) Phil
Re: Re: Drawbar Pulling Competition Results
Phil, My entry was correct - 46%. It totally threw me too. The only adhesion improver allowed was chalking the rails. I had devised a track that could be elevated to 22.5% grade and we had to stack boxes etc under one end and calculate the grade manually. The high end was barely reachable from standing on a chair in a 12 foot length of track. We immediately moved every thing off the tables to the floor. Eldorado Timber Mining Co. Bruce G. Gathman, President Tall Trees - Deep Shafts On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 07:56:54 -0500, Phil Paskos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahhh. Question? You did mean 4.6% grade didn't you? 46% is one of things I'd like to see. Phil Everyone, There really are no rules. Like I said it amazes me that no one has tried anything trick yet to my knowledge. At St. Louis we have a hill climb event just asking for someone to make modifications. Of course the record climb was 46% grade by John Garrett's DJB Climax. Now I know John likes to tinker but things looked rather stock. It did't get a technical inspection after winning like NASCAR.
Re: Re: Drawbar Pulling Competition Results
We gave Jerry a rest in the Butt Paste area this year. I do have a photo of Keith Hawthorn running one behind his newly modified Ruby. He was the original finder of the product and brought it back so the rest of us could go get ours. For those of you unfamiliar try www.buttpaste.com to find out. Maybe Jim could help us out here on the tricycle - I was too busy attaching the cable to take photos. Eldorado Timber Mining Co. Bruce G. Gathman, President Tall Trees - Deep Shafts On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:44:54 -0600, Trent Dowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was witness to that great 46% climb. It was very impressive! I have video footage of the climb, but I don't think I have any still pictures. I'll look tonight. It'll give me a good excuse to dismiss real chores. grin Does anyone have any pics of Jim Sander's steam tricycle for those of us who had to miss DH? Also, were there any Butt Paste cars that were notable? Thanks in advance. Later, Trent Bruce Gathman wrote: My entry was correct - 46%. It totally threw me too.
Diamondhead Drawbar Pulling Competition Results
Diamondhead 2003 Drawbar Pull Results There were twenty-one locomotives entered in the drawbar-pulling contest held from 1:30 to 3:30 on Friday and Saturday afternoons. There were originally six classes but we found we needed to add two to make competition fairer. Classes were as follows: Class 1 - 4 drivered locomotives, Class 2 - 6 drivered locomotives, Class 3 - 8 drivered locomotives, Class 4 - Geared, Class 5 - Heavy Weight (K-27's and the like), Class 6 - Shays (thought there would be many Accu Shays to be entered hence the separate class), Class 0 - 2 drivered locomotives, and Class 1/2 - 1 driver locomotives. Class 0 and 1/2 were added as entries came in that didn't fit the first 6 classes. Class 6 was combined with Class 4 as only one Shay was entered. Here are the results: Class 1/2 1 Driver 1st Jim Sanders Steam Powered Tricycle negative 1 inch 2nd no entry 3rd no entry When the measuring device cable was attached it managed to move the tricycle backwards from the weight of the cable and was never able to overcome the horrific strain added by this. We need more competition in this category next year. Class 0 2 Drivers 1st John Clark Emelia 1 oz 2ndBill Shipp deWinton3/4 oz 3rd Peter FoleydeWinton5/8 oz There was another deWinton and a Grasshopper also entered. Class 1 4 Drivers 1st John Woodroofe Riesa 4 3/8 lbs 2nd John Woodroofe Samson 4 lbs even 3rd Chris Wolcott Ruby1 3/4 lb There were seven entries and the Cheddar locomotives proved to VERY powerful. There were several Rubys and Millies entered. Class 2 6 Drivers 1st Peter OelschlegerGungadin 4 3/8 Lbs 2ndChris Wolcott Lady Ann 1 3/4 lbs 3rd no entry Only two entries and the Class 1 winner pulled the same weight with two less drivers. The rest of you six drivered owners need to correct this next year. Class 3 8 Drivers 1st Steve HeseltonC-16 5 lbs even 2nd Arthur Cohen C-16 2 1/2 lbs 3rd no entry I guess you C-16 owners were caught napping or something as there was a lack of competition in this class. Class 4 Geared 1st Alvin Sadler WM Shay 5 3/4 lbs 2nd Jim Sanders MiCal Shay5 5/8 lbs 3rdJoel Neshkin Heisler 4 1/4 lbs I was disappointed in the lack of Shay entries. I had two I could have entered and won with but I know there would have been a cry of foul as the event organizer. Class 5 Heavy Weight No entries. I offered to make special times available for this class due to the difficulties of bringing entries to the line. It would have been interesting to compare DJB's and Accucraft's K-27's pulling power. Class 6 Shay Combined into the geared class and eliminated for next year due to a lack of interest. The next drawbar-pulling contest will be at the Midwest Steam-up this May in St. Louis. I will again have the electronic (accurate to .1 oz) track in operation there. Start tuning your locomotives now. To date no one has displayed any initiative to bend the rules like the NASCAR and Dragster people do. Seriously it's a lot of fun to see what your locomotive is capable of actually pulling and then comparing it to other models of similar configuration. Bruce Gathman [EMAIL PROTECTED] The links provided below are ways to donate to a cause or causes for free. www.bigcats.care2.com www.breastcancer.care2.com www.oceans.care2.com www.primates.care2.com www.rainforest.care2.com www.theanimalrescuesite.com www.thebreastcancersite.com www.thechildhealthsite.com www.thehungersite.com www.therainforestsite.com
Re: Re: Fn3 / #24 / K-27
On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:42:35 -0500, Jim Stapleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phil The F in Fn3 stands for fifteen (15) mm/ft -- how original of the NMRA. At least that's better than A(ccucraft) for 1:29 scale. I can bitch about it cause I have been a life member ( L-3070) for 26 years. Folks from Roundhouse say that the scale of the #24, which should have been 16mm to run on 32mm track (trucks for that are provided for the tender, pony and trailing axles, is actually... 1:22.5. This makes the locomotive too small for either track gage, but its proportions are so good that almost everyone overlooks the track gage flaw. I can attest to this personally. My wife ok'ed ordering a #24 from Samuel Addison Muncy (Mad Man) at the 1991 GRC in Cincinnati. It was my first live steamer; and I waited an agonizing four months for it to arrive. I can report that the K-27s are rolling in. My pickup notice was faxed on Monday. According to the announced strategy of your engine will be built in serial # order based on when you get in the queue I should have had an engine in April or May 2003. Today Accucraft told me on the phone that Bing and Charlie decided to expedite the production line by building all the K-27s with outside cylinders first. So if you ordered a #461 in either paint scheme, you went to the head of the class regardless of order date. I didn't research the other #s in my Mudhens book, so can't say which other ones have outside cylinders. Diamondhead may be overrun with K's in January. Jim Stapleton I E W Ry, Purcellville VA Jim and all, Maybe Jerry should consider building another large track to go around the swimming pool area to accommodate these locos? Then again there is usually track time between 2 and 6 AM! Watch out steamtom1 they may be stealing your track time. Maybe a new rule that all gas fired K's must run between 2 - 6 AM should be put into effect to take up this slack OR anyone wishing to run his K should ante up $???.?? for new track construction. Personally I felt that the Shays would be taking over one track also. There certainly were more of them sold than the K's. The nice thing about them is that they don't have any curve restrictions basically though. Accucraft has sure had good picks lately. Now if they would only produce a West Side three truck Shay - I'd be REAL happy. My NMRA life member number is #L-260 and has cost them a whole lot more than the $60 I invested in 1958. Bruce Gathman Eldorado Timber Mining Co. Bruce G. Gathman, President Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
Re: boiler insulation
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:50:21 +0100, mart.towers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Ciambrone, Steve @ OS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 10:14 PM Subject: RE: boiler insulation Weetabix packet? USA translation Please. Weetabix - a kind of dessicated, compressed, wheat grain residue, sold in briquette form. In comparison, the southern US 'grits' are a sophisticated highly palatable breakfast cereal. Art Walker Is this held in place with Vegamite? Bruce Gathman
Re: Lathes for Live Steamers
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:12:42 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/2/02 7:25:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It must be really nice to have such a modern lathe! What is really nice is that it sat in his garage for 20 years without being used. I also got a 4 jaw and 3 jaw and many accesories. It was the deal of the century! Bob Would you become my personal shopper. You seem to be getting good deals all the time. I am looking for an Aster Big Boy or Allegheny at Ruby prices. Bruce Gathman
Re: Diamondhead Hurricane???
Dave, Just remember that two months clean-up time is in Mississippi time not the rest of the world's time. That's why newcomers are told to bring their own repair tools if they want a room that is fully functional. Bruce On Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:39:28 -0700, you wrote: Dave Cole wrote: the diamondhead hotels, though, are about a mile from the water and so probably wouldn't suffer flood damage, though wind damage is another matter. but even with a bad one hitting in late october, there'd still be two months before the event for cleanup. \dmc
GPS Tour of Hemlock Central
Although this is not directly related to steaming other than you can do this while attending the Shay Days Steam-up. I felt it may be of interest to everyone. I believe this is the first tour of this type to be made available. GPS Tour of Ephraim Shay's Hemlock Central Railroad History meets technology! The Harbor Springs Area Historical Society, a non-profit historical organization, is pleased to announce that they have published a Global Positioning System (GPS) Tour of Ephraim Shay's Hemlock Central Railroad. Visit over forty-five historical locations on this tour by using a GPS receiver. The locations have been carefully picked-out by Bruce Gathman, Shay Historian, Charles Conn and Jon Phillips. An overall picture of the railroad's fifty plus miles of trackage, some of Shay's more notable endeavors in the area, and other historical logging and railroad spots are highlighted. The tour booklet includes a map of the area covered, a how-to guide on identifying old railroad grades, a list of titled Latitude and Longitude waypoints, and a brief historical description of each location being visited. Additionally there have been five caches placed at key points on the tour. These caches include a log book to record each visitor and his comments, a more complete historical description of the spot, a photograph of Shay historical scenes, and a treasure that can be collected to prove that you visited each cache. Using the tour booklet and starting at the waypoints provided the family can spend many hours of enjoyable time exploring the remote northern areas of Emmet County, Michigan and Shay's Hemlock Central Railroad and other historical logging operations. Most of the waypoints can be reached by your vehicle but some do require a 4-wheel drive vehicle or a short walk. The entire tour covers about sixty road miles and can be done in small segments as time permits. This tour is a great way to see and understand how a narrow gauge logging railroad operation was laid out utilizing the topography of the area to the builder's advantage. It is unique in that it makes use of the GPS satellites to locate the old grades. You may also use the tour at home on your desktop computer with a suitable mapping program, such as DeLorme Topo USA or similar programs. You may plan your route using the waypoints or add your own research from your visit to the railroad. The booklets may be obtained for a donation of $10.00 plus $2.50 shipping, by check or money order to the Harbor Springs Area Historical Society, P.O. Box , Harbor Springs, Michigan 49740 or from Bruce Gathman, 6200 South State Road, Harbor Springs, Michigan 49740. Copies are also available at the annual Shay Days festival held on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday of the third weekend of July annually. The festival programs are conducted in Shay's house, The Hexagon, at 398 East Main Street. For further information contact Bruce Gathman at 231-526-0174 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Doing Research on Ephraim Shay; the Man, His Inventions, and His Railroad! Bruce G.Gathman 6200 State Road Harbor Springs, Michigan 231.526.0174
Re: Tender Hand Pump
Harry, You must have a Southern spell checker - as my Northern version would not pass - woist. Bruce On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:59:28 -0500, you wrote: At 03:43 PM 6/12/02 -0400, you wrote: I am in the process of scratch building a locomotive. And am looking for input about the likes/dislikes of tender pump placement. Is it better pumping front to back or crosswise? I have two locos with front to back pumps. I find that the water in the boiler sloshes around when using these pumps. Thanks Robb Robb, The use of the hand pump does create a moment in the tender body, making it want to rock back and forth in whichever direction the pump is oriented. A small (scale) tender is better equiped to resist this moment in front to back direction than side to side. Still, it's not all that great at woist so it's pretty much up to you and what best suits the space in your tender. Regards, Harry
Re: Radiant burner need for Trot Fox
Vance, Could it have been John Garret or Paul Trevaskus? They both had samples at DH I believe. On Tue, 05 Mar 2002 22:42:28 -0700, Vance Bass wrote: Someone at Diamondhead showed me a simple and apparently effective alternative to Kevin O'Connor's thoroughly engineered solution. The fellow says it works well, and while I doubt it works quite as well as Kevin's, it looked to me like it should help a lot, and it was SIMPLE. He took a length of 1/32 (or so) stainless steel wire and inserted one end into a 1/32 hole drilled into the shoulder of the burner body. Then, he made a spiral of about 1/2 diameter that ran down the length of the burner, with about the 3/16 space between the coils. I don't recall how the front end was affixed to the end of the poker, but that's about all there was to it. The stainless got very hot, radiated a good bit of heat into the gas stream, and presumably finished (most of) the combustion just as Kevin's layers of mesh would. Now, who was that? I'd like to give him proper credit, as well as keep in touch with him about further refinements. regards, -vance- Bruce Gathman, President Eldorado Timber Mining Co. Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
Re: Project Locomotive chains gears
Make sure you get the stainless steel ladder chain as the fire on Marc's engine was also heating the chain as well as the boiler. On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:12:19 -0800, you wrote: The current issue of Steam in the Garden has a wonderful article on a Denver loco created by the Denver Garden Railway Society. A kit for the Denver locos chain drive for $58.00 is available through Sulphur Springs Steam Models http://www.sssmodels.com/ . http://www.sidestreetbannerworks.com/locos/loco19.html Marc Horovitz has a page describing the Denver. This Steam in the Garden issue #63 also has a very clear article on making a radiant burner. Two of us in Eugene area have already made two radiant burners. One burner improved burn time from near 30 minutes to 85 minutes. Now to make sure water level staff are always on the ball! ~Gary - Eugene, Oregon - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:55 PM Subject: Re: Project Locomotive Hi All I am trying to build an O gauge live steam engine for a friend. Kind of like the Project Locomotive. Giving up on the Dickins.I have a question on the sprockets and chain set up used on the Project Loco. I can turn wheels, make bearings etc and a little oscillating engine as well as braze up a small boiler, so the only thing holding me back is the arrangement and source for the sprockets and chain. TIA John Meacham California High Desert 12 inch Atlas, Minimill, rusty file
Re: Regner RC Pump
This is the same pump that John Garret used in an auxiliary car to supply his Aster Mikado. It had three speeds if I remember correctly. It fed from a tank about 1 qt in size. Bruce Gathman On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:58:05 EST, you wrote: I was browsing the Regner steam engine list on the MBV Schug site, and noticed a rather neat r/c water pump: http://www.mbv-schug.de/english-version/Products/Regner/regner.htm It looks as if you toggle the stick/servo back and forth to pump water. Good idea - does anyone make one over here? Pete
Shay Days 2002 Steam-Up
2002 Shay Days Steam-up Information The Harbor Springs (Michigan) Area Historical Society has authorized a second annual steam up to be held in conjunction with the 2002 Shay Days on July 19, 20, and 21, 2002. Portable gauge #1 layouts will be set-up outside and the essentials for steaming will be provided (except for fuel). You will be able to say you operated your live steam locomotive on the site of the Shay machine shop, where Ephraim built and maintained three locomotives for the Hemlock Central Railroad just across the street from his home. Limited to all geared locomotives but particularly Shay locomotives! For those of you wishing to participate in the steam up for the weekend please contact Bruce Gathman at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 231-526-0174, for further information about Shay Days and Harbor Springs and help making arrangements for your accommodations. Yes we know it is a long way off the beaten path to come to Harbor Springs but the HSAHS board members feel they would like to show their appreciation, for your attending and steaming and to help make their show a success, by opening their homes to you during the three day event-limited availability. Local commercial accommodations are limited this time of year so plan ahead. There isn't a better place to visit either. Mackinac Island is only 25 miles away! Ice Cream and Fudge abound and we have some of the greatest eating establishments to try while you're here. Call the Chamber of Commerce if you don't believe me! And if you can't bring a live steam Shay locomotive or some other live steam geared locomotive to operate just plan on coming to enjoy the area history, the displays, and the excellent programs on Ephraim Shay. Doing Research on Ephraim Shay; the Man, His Inventions, and His Railroad! Bruce G.Gathman 6200 State Road Harbor Springs, Michigan 231.526.0174
Shay Days 2002 Steam-Up
2002 Shay Days Steam-up Information The Harbor Springs (Michigan) Area Historical Society has authorized a second annual steam up to be held in conjunction with the 2002 Shay Days on July 19, 20, and 21, 2002. Portable gauge #1 layouts will be set-up outside and the essentials for steaming will be provided (except for fuel). You will be able to say you operated your live steam locomotive on the site of the Shay machine shop, where Ephraim built and maintained three locomotives for the Hemlock Central Railroad just across the street from his home. Limited to all geared locomotives but particularly Shay locomotives! For those of you wishing to participate in the steam up for the weekend please contact Bruce Gathman at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 231-526-0174, for further information about Shay Days and Harbor Springs and help making arrangements for your accommodations. Yes we know it is a long way off the beaten path to come to Harbor Springs but the HSAHS board members feel they would like to show their appreciation, for your attending and steaming and to help make their show a success, by opening their homes to you during the three day event-limited availability. Local commercial accommodations are limited this time of year so plan ahead. There isn't a better place to visit either. Mackinac Island is only 25 miles away! Ice Cream and Fudge abound and we have some of the greatest eating establishments to try while you're here. Call the Chamber of Commerce if you don't believe me! And if you can't bring a live steam Shay locomotive or some other live steam geared locomotive to operate just plan on coming to enjoy the area history, the displays, and the excellent programs on Ephraim Shay. Doing Research on Ephraim Shay; the Man, His Inventions, and His Railroad! Bruce G.Gathman 6200 State Road Harbor Springs, Michigan 231.526.0174
Re: Merry Christmas!
Jess, Since last year was your first year and you THINK you made reservations for this year you haven't learned how things work in MIssiSSIPPi. First off the hotel usually changes management annually. This usually results in non-transfer of prior commitments. Sometimes the nation chain - whoever it is this year doesn't know about the reservations. Somehow things work differently in Mississippi. To further validate my point can you explain why after nine years the hotel didn't give Jerry the same weekend it has traditionally been? On Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:01:51 -0500, you wrote: Last year was my first year, Trent. I wasn't there an hour before I reserved my room for this year. I can't wait! Maybe I will buy my first steamer this year. Then again, maybe I will just race Carl's Climax at midnight again. Cheers! Jess Bruce Gathman, President Eldorado Timber Mining Co. Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
Re: loose screws (how did we get there from New Mexico?)
Geoff, Maybe she wasn't interested in you. She took a liking to Carl Malone though. Bruce On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:03:27 -0800, you wrote: Bruce, Yep, I was awake, but I think the Bud gal was exhausted and asleep! Geoff. It happened after 8 pm one night. Were you still awake. That was eastern time not pacific. Bruce On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:10:05 -0800, you wrote: Vance, How could I have missed that event, Agh, those Bud Dames!! right Bruce?? Geoff. So, you want The Rest of the Story on the loose screw? Geoff, I can beat that one. Last year at Diamondhead, a few of us were sitting at the end of the dual-gauge loop, moving some hot air around, when one of Murray Wilson's antiques came ripping around the bend. It was moving fast enough that the business end of the main rod, which was just a slip-fit over the crankpin, tried to go straight while the rest of the loco turned. With the rod free of the crankpin, that permitted the piston (single-acting, with no cylinder head in the back) to extract itself from the cylinder and fly though the air, landing at my feet. The loco continued running fine on one cylinder, so we flagged it down next time it came around. Murray shoved it all back into place and roared off again. See what fun you're missing if you don't go to Diamondhead? -vance- Keep in mind that, before plastics, only rich people could afford to have poor taste. -- Don Featherstone, creator of the plastic lawn flamingo
Re: loose screws (how did we get there from New Mexico?)
Geoff, It happened after 8 pm one night. Were you still awake. That was eastern time not pacific. Bruce On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:10:05 -0800, you wrote: Vance, How could I have missed that event, Agh, those Bud Dames!! right Bruce?? Geoff. So, you want The Rest of the Story on the loose screw? Geoff, I can beat that one. Last year at Diamondhead, a few of us were sitting at the end of the dual-gauge loop, moving some hot air around, when one of Murray Wilson's antiques came ripping around the bend. It was moving fast enough that the business end of the main rod, which was just a slip-fit over the crankpin, tried to go straight while the rest of the loco turned. With the rod free of the crankpin, that permitted the piston (single-acting, with no cylinder head in the back) to extract itself from the cylinder and fly though the air, landing at my feet. The loco continued running fine on one cylinder, so we flagged it down next time it came around. Murray shoved it all back into place and roared off again. See what fun you're missing if you don't go to Diamondhead? -vance- Keep in mind that, before plastics, only rich people could afford to have poor taste. -- Don Featherstone, creator of the plastic lawn flamingo
Re: Found: a new source for materials.
Walt, The magnet must do wonders for your credit cards. Bruce On Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:10:00 EST, you wrote: HI, I carry a piece of one of those refrigerator magnets in my wallet. Home Depot once had what I thought was brass tubing but the magnet stuck to it like glue. Plated Steel is not the same as brass. The very fine print said brass finish. Let the buyer beware. Keep your steam up! Mr. Lunkenheimer's associate
Re: misunderstood New Mexico
Geoff, Save the beat for the Budweiser Girls at Diamondhead. You will make their day! Hope you can duplicate it. Bruce On Sun, 18 Nov 2001 12:00:46 -0800, you wrote: OK OK. Larry!!--et al, So, you want The Rest of the Story on the loose screw? The King, pulling a rake of Finescale GWR coaches and running for the second time, took on the beat of a different drummer. Later discovered that a small but vital screw had fallen out from the inside left cyl valve spindle connection which also runs the outside left cyl valve so the two left hand cyls were not working. Surprising how well this wonderful loco runs on the two right hand cyls only, sort of a Rock beat, (suitable for Diamondhead) -- but no ladies were willing to dance! Just as dusk and our fog was descending and the other steamers had left, I found the tiny screw in the ballast using a powerful wand magnet. Luck of the devil--right? The screw is now re-installed and all escape routes are sealed. Geoff.PS Thanks, Larry, for your kind words--why don't you report The Rest of the Story on the boat activity when the side of your sparky -(ugh!) boat rammed the bow of my steam Anna (from Bob Paules collection) or did you do it already?? I don't know about you, but I remember our last steamup at Geoff's RR. I sure had a good time I'm not sure about the others. I think most of us did except for the one with a screw loose, and something missing or fell off or something like that.. Maybe he is now having a difficult time remembering but not me, I had a great time and will remember it for quite a while. Have a great day Geoff. See you Sunday afternoon. Larry Geoff Spenceley wrote: Vance, Don et al, If I wasn't so dam old. I'd register every one of them too!! So would Lunk's asst! Actually with the way I steam, it's probably best that I don't remmber them! Geoff After all, how many great days of steaming register on your mind? Every one of them, I think, since they were all spent in the company of fine people under pleasurable circumstances. -vance- Keep in mind that, before plastics, only rich people could afford to have poor taste. -- Don Featherstone, creator of the plastic lawn flamingo
Re: BAGRS Project Locomotive/ Brazil
On Fri, 02 Nov 2001 09:37:12 -0600, you wrote: Hello Bruce, The Butt Paste Band? Is this in addition to the Clack Valves? The Butt Paste band is in NO way to be confused with the Clack Vales (professional) Band! Membership is definitely limited in our elite group. We recently enlisted a deaf person to be the lead tenor. So you can see our standards are very high. Sounds fun! My car for the Butt Paste Train has changed designs mid stream. I got a brain storm not too far into the first one and dropped it to the side to allow my sudden spark of creativeness (it doesn't happen often) to run wild. As long as it wasn't a messy brain fart. Not that it's ever stopped anyone from pulling a car (thanks largely in part to the Diamondhead Coupler), but what are most others putting on their cars for couplers? Knuckle? Link and pin? Hook and loop? Don't know, don't care? grin Anything goes. One car/coupler is a highly modified wagon (as in little red) handle. I've got a bachmann knuckle and OzMin LP on my two cars. The more the merrier. If anyone wants the graphics, I'd be happy to send an attached JPG file. This is not an official sanctioned activity of the company name being used - butt we may hit them up for sponsorship if things go well for next year. Later, Trent Bruce Gathman wrote: And you should see what we did to Ernie's caboose last weekend. You'll get to see it at DH in the Butt Paste train everyone is building. The Butt Paste Band also practiced for the Arts Festival part of Diamondhead. Bruce Gathman, President Eldorado Timber Mining Co. Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
Butt Paste Band
On Fri, 02 Nov 2001 09:37:12 -0600, you wrote: Hello Bruce, The Butt Paste Band? Is this in addition to the Clack Valves? The Butt Paste band is in NO way to be confused with the Clack Vales (professional) Band! Membership is definitely limited in our elite group. We recently enlisted a deaf person to be the lead tenor. So you can see our standards are very high. Sounds fun! My car for the Butt Paste Train has changed designs mid stream. I got a brain storm not too far into the first one and dropped it to the side to allow my sudden spark of creativeness (it doesn't happen often) to run wild. As long as it wasn't a messy brain fart. Not that it's ever stopped anyone from pulling a car (thanks largely in part to the Diamondhead Coupler), but what are most others putting on their cars for couplers? Knuckle? Link and pin? Hook and loop? Don't know, don't care? grin Anything goes. One car/coupler is a highly modified wagon (as in little red) handle. I've got a bachmann knuckle and OzMin LP on my two cars. The more the merrier. If anyone wants the graphics, I'd be happy to send an attached JPG file. This is not an official sanctioned activity of the company name being used - butt we may hit them up for sponsorship if things go well for next year. Later, Trent Bruce Gathman wrote: And you should see what we did to Ernie's caboose last weekend. You'll get to see it at DH in the Butt Paste train everyone is building. The Butt Paste Band also practiced for the Arts Festival part of Diamondhead. Bruce Gathman, President Eldorado Timber Mining Co. Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
Re: BAGRS Project Locomotive/ Brazil
Saw Ernie's Brazil last weekend and it's about up to floor level, i.e., the running gear is about finished. It certainly DOES require some machining abilities. BUT, if Ernie can build it anyone can! :) Bruce On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:04:19 +0100, you wrote: I know for sure that Ernie Noa is building one 'cos we went in pursuit of the prototype when he was across in England in the summer. I am not sure if he is on the list, but I daresay we will hear about progress in future issues of Small Scale Steam Hobbyist of which he is editor. Art Walker, Guildford, England - Original Message - From: Norman S Briskman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 10:16 PM Subject: Re: BAGRS Project Locomotive I do have another question. Has anyone out there constructed, or is constructing, the Keith Bucklitch Brazil? Norman
Re: U.S. G1MRA Memberships
You didn't send the note to Tony you sent it to the WHOLE group! On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:30:36 -0400, you wrote: Oops, apparently I've sent that note to the wrong Tony. I did get the following note and thought I responded to it. Sorry for the confusion. Jim Nice one Jim, Check is in the mail, just in case!. Thank you, Best Regards, Tony Dixon #1658
Re: Iver
On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:39:51 -0400, you wrote: At 11:39 AM 16/08/01 -0500, Trent Dowler wrote: The detail is just not there, period. The wheels are plain with no spokes, the oscillating cylinders, no visible valve gear whatsoever, the smokebox front is VERY plain and has what appears to be a valve handle on it Sorry Trent, but what you are describing here is standard UK narrow gauge loco appearance (aside from the Ossys). On the ad on the back of SitG, they claim that it was the winner of the 2001 Diamondhead weight lifting trophy. Is this correct? Yes..but the more correct question would be, how many pther entries were ther? This absolutely not correct! The complete results were posted to the Small Scale Steam Models group, in message #419, as an After Action Report. The pulling contest results are listed below. As you can see the Iver placed 6th out of 10 entries Drawbar Pulling Contest Tom Reinhardt BR963.53 pounds Bill Payne Aster Climax3.36 pounds Tom Joslyn SRRL #243.27 pounds John GarrettDJB Climax 2.13 pounds Bruce Gathman Sammie 1.84 pounds Ernie Noa Iver1.75 pounds Larry HergetDunkirk 1.54 pounds Terry GrinerIda 1.32 pounds Jim Sanders Bantam 1.16 pounds Terry GrinerBAGRS 0.23 pounds The dead weight pull was interesting. The Sammie and Iver pulled over twice as much per driver than the big articulated BR96. Maybe the low pressure set of drivers was in by-pass mode and wasn't doing any work. Bruce
Re: Iver
I'm sorry the results posted were for the St Louis convention NOT Diamondhead. Hope there isn't too much confusion. Bruce On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:59:53 -0400, you wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:39:51 -0400, you wrote: At 11:39 AM 16/08/01 -0500, Trent Dowler wrote: The detail is just not there, period. The wheels are plain with no spokes, the oscillating cylinders, no visible valve gear whatsoever, the smokebox front is VERY plain and has what appears to be a valve handle on it Sorry Trent, but what you are describing here is standard UK narrow gauge loco appearance (aside from the Ossys). On the ad on the back of SitG, they claim that it was the winner of the 2001 Diamondhead weight lifting trophy. Is this correct? Yes..but the more correct question would be, how many pther entries were ther? This absolutely not correct! The complete results were posted to the Small Scale Steam Models group, in message #419, as an After Action Report. The pulling contest results are listed below. As you can see the Iver placed 6th out of 10 entries Drawbar Pulling Contest Tom Reinhardt BR963.53 pounds Bill Payne Aster Climax3.36 pounds Tom Joslyn SRRL #243.27 pounds John Garrett DJB Climax 2.13 pounds Bruce Gathman Sammie 1.84 pounds Ernie Noa Iver1.75 pounds Larry Herget Dunkirk 1.54 pounds Terry Griner Ida 1.32 pounds Jim SandersBantam 1.16 pounds Terry Griner BAGRS 0.23 pounds The dead weight pull was interesting. The Sammie and Iver pulled over twice as much per driver than the big articulated BR96. Maybe the low pressure set of drivers was in by-pass mode and wasn't doing any work. Bruce
Re: Climax at St Louis
Harry, But I thought that this was an Aster Climax not a scratch built model??? Bruce On Tue, 07 Aug 2001 19:59:51 -0500, you wrote: At 08:35 PM 8/7/01 -0400, you wrote: Trent and Harry, I don't recall who had the Climax with the modified valve gear. Robb DeVries All, I found out a few days ago it was Bill Payne. Cheers, Harry
Re: Climax at St Louis
Harry, Do you mean the Class A that won the hill clime. If so that was John Garrett and it was a DJB kit. I don't recall seeing a scratch Climax there - but I might have missed it as I was pretty busy with business (monkey of course). Bruce Gathman On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:44:59 -0500, you wrote: Can anyone tell me who the gentleman was at St Louis with the scratch built Climax? Regards, Harry Wade Nashville, Tn
Re: Anouncement!
Terry, You are most welcome to post any photos on the Small Scale Steam Models site (which you have joined) anytime. This is one of the reasons I started it. Larry banned super soakers for the Powder Puff steamup in June. I think he must be loosing his sense of humor. Enjoyed your enthusiasm at the Midwest. Bruce On Mon, 21 May 2001 08:16:46 -0400, you wrote: The chief gofer and his two chief engineers are happy to announce the completion track laying on the Noplace in particular Railroad. The NIPRR started on the ground, but the chief gofer is to old to get down that low, and after seeing the portable track at the Midwest steam up this year he decided that waist high is the way to go. Thank you to everyone at the Midwest steam up, you got me motivated! I'll find someplace to post pictures, after I take some. Terry Griner Columbus Ohio USA Join the Small Scale Steam Models (SSSM) email group for all things live steam trains. Just click on: http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/small_scale_steam_models
Re: Wabash RR
Walt, On Fri, 18 May 2001 19:14:30 EDT, you wrote: Peter, I had a reply from a guy at the Wabash Historical Society. He seems pretty sure it is the General's bell. If that is true, the durn thing is around 120 years old! Are we to assume that you came into possession of this bell in your youth? All the other bells are much younger -- BO presidential Pacific, NYC Hudson, SP Daylight (inaugural run of San Joaquin(sp?) limited, and 1920's Prairie from here in FL, plus the EMD bells. Kind of makes your day sort of thing. Keep your steam up! Walt Lunk Bruce Gathman, President Eldorado Timber Mining Co. Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
Re: Cheddar Loco
Try this url for a photo of the loco and its builder. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Small_Scale_Steam_Models/files/Diamondhead%202001/DH2001%20Cheddar%20Loco.jpg Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:53:06 -0800, you wrote: I was reading a boating magazine Marine Modelling International and they had an article on the UK company Cheddar models. They have a picture which shows a newly designed G gauge Loco it is a 0-4-0 configuration with oscillating cylinders and a diamond stack. The article said it was now coming into production. Sincerely Steve Ciambrone Sr. Test Engineer L-3 Ocean Systems Bruce Gathman, President Eldorado Timber Mining Co. Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
Re: New to the list
On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:04:29 -0500, you wrote: Hi everyone, I am new to the list and to Live Steam. Bio : Ferdinand Mels - small town Warsaw Ontario. Canada. I have had numerous electric G scale layouts and have never been happy with the electric power source. The idea of Live steam excites me to no end. I have my first loco on its way and have a stock pile of brass sheets ready for kit bashing to make the loco 7/8N2. Silver solder on order in three grades of hardness. Hard to picture the track site at present since the whole area is under 3 feet of snow :( RE: butane - fuel source - I am assuming that the butane refills Home Depot sells is the same as required by the Accucraft Ruby loco. They sell for 6.00 a canister in ON Canada. (4.00US) Isn't it PROPANE refills that are sold at Home Depot? Bruce Gathman, President Eldorado Timber Mining Co. Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
Re: New to the list
Thanks I'll take a look to see if my local store has this in stock. I usually get the butane/propane mix for colder temperatures from Bob Pennock at Cross Creek because he has the larger size cans and will ship, albeit with hazardous material handling of course. On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:47:08 -0500, you wrote: The refills at Home Depot are both propane and the butane style - ( lighter ) Micro welding torch (refill) - BenzOmatic Butane 2.1 oz priced at 6.00 can or 4.00 US DOT 2Q. Made in the USA. They seem to always have tons in stock. Bruce Gathman, President Eldorado Timber Mining Co. Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
Re: Picayune Shay Pix
Art, My best guess would be for better visibility of the engineer, as we call them, for making a reverse move. It was definitely not terminally boring to those in the group and everyone going to Diamondhead should make the trek. Bruce Gathman On Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:06:41 EST, you wrote: Have at last got round to posting the digipix resulting from a visit with Bruce Gatham. Erv Mueller Keith Hawthorne - during the Diamondhead Steamup - to this interesting little loc. Still complete with Christmas (or ? Mardi Gras) lights. Only of interest to Shay aficionados - others will find a visit terminally boring. Anyone tell me why the rear headlamp is offset ? Art Walker A HREF="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=44305a=11406775" Click here: PhotoPoint (Album Owner Mode) - Free, easy photo sharing and photo gallery/A
Re: Ceramic burner for Creekside [was: Dead leg lubricator?]
Or you can go to IP Engineering also. Bruce On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 10:22:27 -0700, you wrote: Cheddar is the (original) maker of the ceramic burners for the Jane. I'm pretty sure that Sulphur Springs carries them. -vance- "Another day goes by in the time machine. I've been breaking my brain over what it might mean just to take the time to turn away and make today today." --James Taylor
Re: Events
The calendar function on egroups small_scale_steam_models email group list functions that sponsors have felt compelled to list. If you're running an event and would like to put it on a central calendar feel free to do so. Bruce On Sun, 21 Jan 2001 16:55:37 EST, you wrote: Is there a web site that lists the date and location of the various live steam meetings/events for 2001? Thanks, Ian Hobbs, Council Bluffs, IA Join the Small Scale Steam Models (SSSM) email group for all things live steam trains. Just click on: http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/small_scale_steam_models
Re: Small lathes
Now wouldn't it be nice if Charlie would give some instruction at Diamondhead this January - even informally. On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:31:24 EST, you wrote: In a message dated 12/14/00 3:51:44 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Taig Lathe with a 1/4 horse motor . the second one would be a 7 / 10 inch lathe Made for Harbor Freight by Central machine . Paul FWIW, I have both the Taig (with the Sherline motor for infinite variable speed) and the HF. There is plenty of tooling available for both. Charlie Mynhier is my mentor and I got the Taig originally (and so equipped) at his suggestion. When he saw the HF lathe demonstrated at Diamondhead last year he was very impressed with how powerful and accurate it was. (John Thomson from Mesquite, TX brought his new one.) Subsequently several of us in the Houston area have purchased the HF. We have even had some OJT -- one all-day Saturday with Charlie. The HF has even occasionally been on sale at $329 -- and if you buy it from Internet there is no tax and no freight! -- ** and I have no financial interestblah, blah, blah! Jim Crabb Seabrook (Houston), Texas Bruce Gathman, President Eldorado Timber Mining Co. Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
Re: egroups small_scale_steam_models
Dave, It appears you haven't been to or used egroups. The only advertising is a couple of lines on each message. Most users automatically skip that area of the message from my personal experience. We are not talking about a web site we are talking about a email group. And once a member sends you a photo how do the rest of us see it? On Fri, 8 Dec 2000 11:52:04 -0800, you wrote: At 11:22 AM -0800 12/8/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [I don't know - I haven't investigated what sslivesteam can do except for sending me email digests.] Maybe it would be easier to transfer sslivesteam to a free web site? Pete: Nothing in life is free. A "free" web site is selling your eyeballs -- it's called "page views" to advertisers. You certainly can ignore the ads, but there's no question that you pay -- in terms of your download times -- to get that advertising. My standing offer is that if a list member wants a picture posted, all they have to do is e-mail it to me directly. I may not jump on it within 90 seconds (yet again, I might), but it will then be there for all to see. If list members prefer to post their pictures at advertising-based sites, that is certainly their right. But before you click, realize that you may be in for a significant download of stuff you don't want before you get to the stuff you want. One of the list members came up to me at a PCLS steamup a couple of months ago and said, "So, what are you going to do commercially with the web site (45mm.com)?" I have no current aspirations to attempt to make money with my hobby. At the point that this stops being a hobby, I probably should be spending my time and energy pointed toward places where real money can be made, not the small margins that selling or advertising hobbiest products would bring. I'm doing this for fun, not profit. I started the sslivesteam list because I wanted a place where I could post a question and get a friendly, knowledgable response. I believe I have achieved that goal. And there are no incremental costs to me for providing the resources for the list (I have the infrastructure in place for my "real" job), so they are offered advertising-free. But you guys pay me everytime I read the list and learn something new. \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: ssBoilers
I,ve uploaded a photo of what happens to your boiler when not properly attended to. http://www.egroups.com/files/small_scale_steam_models/Locomotives/Boiler+Explosion.jpg On Wed, 06 Dec 2000 21:11:45 -0600, you wrote: Like so many others on the list, I too have heard the "urban legend" about a friend of a friend who had a small boiler erupt. That's probably all it is. A legend. In fact the only proof that I've ever seen is of a 1:1 scale steamer. ( I have pictures of that one if anyone is interested. SCARY!) I can personally attest to the solder joints on one of our small boilers withstanding quite abnormal conditions. I crushed a Roundhouse boiler during a truck wreck. The boiler was completely destroyed but the solder joints were still intact. Even in the areas that received heavy damage. Looking back, I wish that I had kept the boiler and given it to Roundhouse. At the time of the wreck I felt rather lucky to be alive and wanted nothing as a reminder of the incident so I threw the boiler in the scrap hopper at work after my insurance adjuster saw it. I even threw the pictures away later. Later, Trent P.S.- Usual disclaimers. Not associated with Roundhouse, I just buy their products.
Re: ssBoilers
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:09:04 EST, you wrote: In a message dated 00-12-07 07:51:38 EST, you write: I,ve uploaded a photo of what happens to your boiler when not properly attended to. http://www.egroups.com/files/small_scale_steam_models/Locomotives/Boiler+Explo sion.jpg Well I tried this and it tells me that I am not a member of small_scale_steam_models and I do not have access!! Maybe I should be, How do I get to be a member of this list? Salty Join the Small Scale Steam Models email group at Egroups for all things live steam trains. Just click on the following url: http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/small_scale_steam_models
Re: Silver Solder/Soldering
Try this one for brazing: http://www.handyharmancanada.com/TheBrazingBook/bbook.htm On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:15:04 -0500, you wrote: Is there any websites on the net about silver soldering boilers?? Dougk - Original Message - From: VR Bass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 12:05 AM Subject: Re: Silver Solder/Soldering Kozo Hiraoka wrote what must be the best (and prehaps the shortest!) treatise ever written on boiler soldering. It was in Live Steam magazine in about 1996 or 1997, as part of the Pennsy switcher series, as I recall. It's definitely worth calling Live Steam to see whether they have back issues. -vance- Join the Small Scale Steam Models email group at Egroups for all things live steam trains. Just click on the following url: http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/small_scale_steam_models
Re: Rubys and Silver and scale
On Sat, 2 Dec 2000 11:43:57 EST, P Thornton wrote: In a message dated 12/2/00 3:01:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes this site has become very much "Ruby" oriented Wait until Accucraft starts shipping the C-16 live steamer - bet there'll be lots of questions about steaming that big beast! And while they aren't quite in the 3-digit range, they are quoted around $1999. You certainly get more than 4 times a Ruby for that - whether it's length, weight, water capacity, or whatever you measure. Can't wait for mine. By weight the tender alone weighs more than 5 Ruby's - I know as I tried to lift one last September and darned near got a hernia doing it. And that was without any coal loaded too! Join the Small Scale Steam Models email group at Egroups for all things live steam trains. Just click on the following url: http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/small_scale_steam_models
Re: Clack Valves Cornets Band concert in DH was: [Apology]
Better yet let's make a CD! We could listen to all our friends all year long. On Fri, 01 Dec 2000 12:20:06 -0600, you wrote: Scott, I know that the Clack Valves Cornets Steam Band is in DH for the steamup more than the band, but some of us can't make it to DH that early in the week. Any chance of having a concert on Friday or Saturday night as well? Is there anyone out there who has videoed the band? Later, Trent Scott McDonald wrote: AND one of our fine ladies just joined the Clack Valves Cornets Steam Band!! We added one more Cornet with valves a clacking!!
Re: A Boiler
Bob, Are we going to see this running at Diamondhead? On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:00:09 EST, you wrote: After having a traumatic Friday evening of completing a boiler and deciding that I needed to cut it shorter and destroying it in the lathe (tool caught the edge), I rebuilt all the parts in a power marathon in the shop (6 hrs.). The result is probably the best put together boiler I have built to date. I guess when you get focused things can go right! Anyway, here are some pics, if you are interested: http://www.geocities.com/cgnr.geo/boiler1.jpg http://www.geocities.com/cgnr.geo/boiler2.jpg http://www.geocities.com/cgnr.geo/boiler3.jpg The moral of the story is to complete each part before you assemble! Bob Starr Bruce Gathman, President Eldorado Timber Mining Co. Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
Re: Diamond Stack, super heater
On Thu, 9 Nov 2000 13:44:03 -0700, you wrote: SaltyChief wrote: I am not sure what you are talking about with the stack base. The picture that I printed of your modified Ruby does not come out too clear on my computers printer so I can't really see it well. It appears to be not much more than a small ring a little larger than the stack base. Would you be so kind as to enlighten me on what it is? Yes, it's little more than a ring around the joint between the stack and the smokebox. You can barely see it in a photo, but it does give the smokebox a more finished and realistic look. On a real locomotive this is the mounting flange where the stack is bolted to the smokebox. Underneath, Norm's is threaded to accept the Accucraft retaining nut, just like the original stack. Next time I have the engine apart, I'll add some bolt heads to finish the look. Like I said, it's probably a lot more trouble (cost!) than it's worth. As an alternative, Trackside Details makes several stack bases that you could bolt directly to the smokebox, just like the real thing. One of them is exactly the right size to use with the diamond arrestor and some KS tubing to get a complete stack. Sorry I don't remember the TD number. To bad Trackside doesn't get on the net! I just sent for my third catalog and again it got buried in the literature stack. I would think just being able to see the parts would be a great benefit in silent sales to the masses. There are only two places that I know of that stock and display these parts..Anyone have any influence along these lines?? regards, -vance- Vance Bass Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass Bruce Gathman, President Eldorado Timber Mining Co. Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
Re: Allegheny Investor Club (A.I.C.)
Is the time period for Diamondhead availble for my exclusive use? On Mon, 6 Nov 2000 08:56:38 -0500, you wrote: Given the proposed price tag on the Aster Allegheny I suggest we form an investment club to purchase one. We could get 12 people each to invest $1,500. Each investor would then have use of the engine for one month each year. The club could rent out the engine to others with the club sharing in all income. Bond issues could be floated to purchase future engines. All capital gains would be reinvested in a retirement fund for the owners. A leasing subsidiary could be formed to purchase new engines and lease them out to fellow live steamers who do not have sufficiently high enough DB ratings to buy their own engines. Down the road a stock company might be formed with a goal of a NYSE listing. The potential seems unlimited. Don Plasterer
Re: OTP: CO2 powered locomotive?
Been ther done that! Need to get a bushel basket strategically placed at first curve. On Fri, 03 Nov 2000 06:33:37 -0600, you wrote: You can, of course, strap the CO2 cartridge on a flatcar and punch the "drain" end of the cartridge . . . Rocket power!!! BG Charles Trent Dowler wrote: Anybody seen CO2 cartridges or similar items used for motive power? My thoughts are running wild! Bruce Gathman, President Eldorado Timber Mining Co. Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
Re: Mikado, minimum radius
WALT, Can you explain how you can have a turnout without a frog or some sort of points. On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:19:41 EDT, you wrote: The portable track I had at DH for a few years had 10' radius turnouts. However, they did not have a frog or points, so that may have been the difference. Keep your steam up! Walt
Re: Loco blower
Those folks that I have seen lately prefer the Wada Suction Fan as it is all in one piece. Batteries are mounted on top of the fan unit and seems to work reliably.. On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:39:28 -0400, you wrote: Wayne: Your local Aster dealer sells them or you can cobble something together from a small electric motor, fan blades, batteries, etc. Look at one (maybe an Aster) to get an idea. Jim
Re: (was G1MRA Project Loco) now Ruby pulling power
Several of us were pulling eight car trains, Bachmann cars with metal wheels, this past weekend with our Ruby's at Larry Hergets. Mine has a low serial number and the other loco was brand new and around the 600 serial number range. The new loco ran beautifully(slow) once we got everything timed and adjusted. On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:22:30 EDT, you wrote: In a message dated 09/18/00 9:00:26 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone noticed a lack of pulling power from their Ruby? I'm getting long enough runs, but it seems she has a bit of trouble pulling herself up a grade. ... as I want to put a tender behind her ... That hasn't been my experience at all. In fact, I regularly pull a heavy metal tender (maxitrack) and a couple of cars (all four axle)...but now as I speak the grade is minimal...less than 1%. Jim Crabb Seabrook Bruce Gathman, President Eldorado Timber Mining Co. Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
Re: (was G1MRA Project Loco) now Ruby pulling power
On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:16:25 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: Bruce, would your or members of your steamer group be willing to share with this thread your timing procedure? I was fortunate that my engine was reasonably adjusted but the one I am currently working with does not want to slow down after I solved the problem of steam pressure loss. While running the locomotive on test rollers, not just suspended between two blocks, to maintain some rolling resistance we ensured that both the forward and reverse positions of the Johnson Bar steamed the locomotive equally. Just setting the little mark in its proper position according to the Accucraft instructions was not adequate as it ran considerably better in reverse. The correct adjustment ended up being inside the cylinder cover on the new loco. By gauge this engine is running at approx 40psi (I have not way of confirming this pressure only that it is just below the release of the safety valve that has been modified by adding a washer. I still have the original safety valve unmodified on my locomotive. It runs well and pulls well without a new safety valve and because I set the gas valve as low as I can it never pops off but just maintains sufficient steam to continue running at the desired speed. I did put in a #3 gas jet from Sulphur Springs to cut down on gas consumption to extend the run time. Not sure if this helped as the runs were about the same length as before to change. Are you running on level track? mp --- Bruce Gathman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several of us were pulling eight car trains, Bachmann cars with metal wheels, this past weekend with our Ruby's at Larry Hergets. Mine has a low serial number and the other loco was brand new and around the 600 serial number range. The new loco ran beautifully(slow) once we got everything timed and adjusted. On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:22:30 EDT, you wrote: In a message dated 09/18/00 9:00:26 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone noticed a lack of pulling power from their Ruby? I'm getting long enough runs, but it seems she has a bit of trouble pulling herself up a grade. ... as I want to put a tender behind her ... That hasn't been my experience at all. In fact, I regularly pull a heavy metal tender (maxitrack) and a couple of cars (all four axle)...but now as I speak the grade is minimal...less than 1%. Jim Crabb Seabrook Bruce Gathman, President Eldorado Timber Mining Co. Tall Trees - Deep Shafts __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ Bruce Gathman, President Eldorado Timber Mining Co. Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
Re: Brass Hardness
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:18:55 -0600, you wrote: Don't know what the hardness is, though if they give a descriptive term (hard, half-hard, quarter-hard, dead soft) then you (well, I) can look it up in "Machinery's Handbook" and tell you how hard it is relative to other common materials. You can anneal (soften) copper based materials like brass by heating them. If you heat it to cherry red, it will be dead soft. If you heat it until it just starts to change color -- it's kind of like a bronze colored mist blowing across the surface -- it will soften somewhat. You'll have to experment to see what's right for the application. Can this be achieved in my wife's oven. I know I can do it with a torch but probably not evenly. What's the thickness of the brass you're trying to emboss? It must be either very thick (which I suspect) or harder than the KS sheets I usually use (.015" or .020"). Once you get past .020, you're probably going to need heavier equipment. I am attempting to use .010 sheet with scale 7/8ths size rivets, i.e. .075 head diameter. After playing with punch and die sizing I find that a softer brass has less of a chance of tearing the rivit head just below the top curvature of the head. As always technical questions seem to have an answer from "Tech. Ed." Vance. regards, -vance- Bruce Gathman, President Eldorado Timber Mining Co. Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
Re: Butane tank
Bob, Try Special Shapes - they sell large square brass tubing. I just got some 1" square to make an alcohol tank. On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 01:20:06 EDT, you wrote: In a message dated 9/6/2000 2:00:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also no visible corrosion after a year or two - I know 'cos I cut one open. Thanks Art, that was what I needed to know. The reason that I want a square tank is because I am building this as a bunker on the rear of the cab. Don't have any I" square brass tubing so I thought that steel would work. Thanks all for the input. Bob Bruce Gathman, President Eldorado Timber Mining Co. Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
Brass Hardness
Does anyone know what hardness the brass from KS is? I need something softer to emboss rivets into. Is there a way to soften the KS brass - like in the oven for a period and cooling etc? Bruce Gathman, President Eldorado Timber Mining Co. Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
Shay Only Live Steam Steamup
Live Steam Shay Owners Attention The fourth annual "Shay Days" will be held in Harbor Springs, Michigan on July 13 - 14 - 15, 2001 to celebrate the life and genius of Ephraim Shay. There will be historical programs about Ephraim Shay, Logging in Emmet County, and Railroading in Northern Michigan. Also, there will be model railroad trains (sparkers), videos, and historical Shay photos displayed. This year (2000) was the first year that the Ice father and son team (i.e George and Mark) displayed their full size replica of locomotive #1. The prototype was built on the actual site of the display in Shay's machine shop. It will again be on display next year. The Harbor Springs Area Historical Society has authorized a "Shay Only" steamup to be held in conjunction with its 2001 annual "Shay Days". A portable gauge #1 layout will be set-up outside and the essentials for steaming will be provided (except good Welsh coal). You will be able to say you operated your Shay locomotive on the site of the Shay machine shop, where Ephraim built and maintained three locomotives for the Hemlock Central. For those of you wishing to participate in the steamup for the weekend please contact Bruce Gathman, alias [EMAIL PROTECTED] , 231.526.0174, for further information and so arrangements can be made for accommodations with local families if you desire. Yes we know it is a long way off the beaten path to come to Harbor Springs but the HSAHS board members feel they would like to show their appreciation for your attending and steaming and to help make their show a success, by opening their homes to you for the stay during the three day event. Local commercial accomodations are limited this time of year so plan ahead. There isn't a better place to visit either. Mackinac Island is only 25 miles away! Ice Cream and Fudge abound and we have some of the greatest eating establishments to try while you're here. Call the Chamber if you don't believe me! And if you can't bring a Shay locomotive to operate just plan on coming to enjoy the area, the displays, and the excellent programs. BG Doing Research on Ephraim Shay; the Man, His Inventions, and His Railroad! Bruce G.Gathman 6200 State Road Harbor Springs, Michigan 231.526.0174
Fireproof String
The list has been a little quiet lately so here is a question and please don't flame me for asking. Does anyone know where one gets the fireproof string seen on many marine models that is wrapped around the steam pipes etc.? Sulphur Springs does'nt list any. Can't find searching the net unless I want to do the burning shoelace trick. Bruce Gathman, President Eldorado Timber Mining Co. Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
Ladder Chain Sprokets
Does anyone know of a good source to purchase ladde chain and sprockets? Bruce Gathman, President Eldorado Timber Mining Co. Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
Re: I Love Spring and running Trains
Where's your traditional engineer - out rusting away somewhere? On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 15:56:10 EST, you wrote: Ah the warmth of the sun and just enough crisp to the air to give a good plume is the way it was this morning. Burned up a half a can of butane this morning running my vertical boiler locomotive. It is such a pleasure when a project finally completes itself and runs just the way you want it. Pulled four cars over the now existing 4% grades! http://www.geocities.com/cgnr.geo/mvc-018s.jpg Bob Starr Eldorado Timber and Mining Company "Tall Trees and Deep Shafts" Bruce Gathman, General Manager Harbor Springs, Michigan 49740-9702
Re: Forney Plans
How about posting these drawings on the shared files area of onelist and letting us know when that is accomplished and then we ALL can enjoy them! On Fri, 3 Mar 2000 10:54:56 -0800, you wrote: Lloyd, You can download a free Autocad drawing viewer called WHIP at the Autodesk.com site. Allows you to view and print DWG drawings. If you email me the TIFF file, I can covert this to a JPEG or what ever so you can see it. I have a number of programs that gives some flexibility in TIFF. You can also insert a TIFF file into a Microsoft Word document. Go to Insert-File-Select file then size it to the paper. What word version do you have? Harley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 10:35 AM To:Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Forney Plans Someone was looking for Forney plans the other day and I do not recall who it was. My nephew who is a big train fan sent me a plan in TIFF format which I would be happy to forward on. He also has a two volume set of Two Feet Between the Rails that he would be willing to part with. You can contact him at ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) if you might be interested. He says that he needs to sell them to support his G guage habbit. (just wait till I talk him into live steam) Now I have this Forney plan in a TIFF format and don't seem to be able to open it (the file) I am running Windows 95. Any Suggestions How I might open the file? Lloyd F. Eldorado Timber and Mining Company "Tall Trees and Deep Shafts" Bruce Gathman, General Manager Harbor Springs, Michigan 49740-9702
Re: New roster, apology ...
Would it make life easier to switch over to onelist for the server etc? People can then do a lot of this maintenance and picture posting on their own. On Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:28:59 -0800, you wrote: All hands: I've been a little distracted from the list for the last couple of days ... many of you in the Bay Area know of my dilemma: the street in front of my house is collapsing because of the recent heavy rains and we have been without natural gas since 4 p.m., Feb. 17. It is a race against time to find and move into a new home. The good news is that we're renters; the bad news is that we still have to move. We've found a place (nice backyard for an elevated track, too) and the loan and escrow machinery is moving apace. We expect to move in about three weeks. Meantime, we watch the street and huddle for warmth. Oh, and no hot showers :-( ... Anyway, I took a few minutes just now and posted a new roster, as we have hit more than 110 members on the list. You can view the roster at http://www.45mm.com/sslivesteam/users/. I believe I have fixed all the wrong biographies, but if your bio accidentially points to another one or if you know you posted a bio and it isn't listed, I would appreciate it if you would track down your existing bio on the archive site http://www.mail-archive.com/sslivesteam%40colegroup.com/ and send me the specific URL of your bio. If you sent in a bio before we started the archive, you might consider reposting that bio (if, for no other reason, there are about 75 people who never saw it anyway). I should be able to catch it and put it onto the roster then. New biographies are always encouraged -- we're looking to know how you got involved in the hobby, what engines you have now or have had in the past, what you rolling stock is and what kind of layout you have. We could also use photos of list members; those should be sent directly to me at mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. Lastly, a specific apology to Pat Darby: he sent in almost 20 pictures from Diamondhead 2000 more than a month ago. They are all great pictures and I want to get them posted; time has been my enemy, though. I hope to get this task accomplished in the next few days. Sorry Pat. BTW, the new house is situated between a street called Grand Teton and a street called Everglades -- the my railroad will henceforth cease to be the Westline Mussel Rock and in March will become the Grand Teton Everglades or GTE. Thanks for your support. --- Dave Cole General Manager, Westline Mussel Rock Railroad http://45mm.com/ Daly City, Calif. USA List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Eldorado Timber and Mining Company "Tall Trees and Deep Shafts" Bruce Gathman, General Manager Harbor Springs, Michigan 49740-9702
