Re: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[keithBacon]

A manager I worked with said he standardised everything so work could be
de-skilled & cheap staff used.Then the fun part was finding the experts who can
be more productive if they deviate from the standard procedures. THis was a was
non IT manager but the same applies for IT I think. 
I saw a report that showed that support of large windows apps was more
expensive than anything else, this causes the movement to standardize. But it
really applies to junior developers & users of apps.  
I worked at a place where every dev. PC was different, the staff were mostly
beginners & making all PC's the same was beneficial. But we had the rule if
your PC was non-standard you got bottom priority support, it was your choice. 
We were lenient with people we felt were learning fast so we shouldn't stifle
their creativity.


--- "Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Our management (I won't say leadership, for reasons that will be obvious to
> experienced IS developers) also have the belief that standardisation is good.
> We are having our J2EE workstations defined to the n'th degree and they will
> all be locked down so that you can't change anything. You can't even change
> your windows wallpaper!!! Our IDE is defined, you'd better like it because
> you can't install anything else. All in the sacred name of productivity.
> 
> Anyone else out there going through this or have advice to share?
> 
> I am planning to bring my personal laptop to work to do any of my tinkering
> on. I like to think that my tinkering is helpful to the company, but you
> wouldn't think so from these new policies. This past year, I have introduced
> to the company's IS environment four new tools that I evaluated by tinkering
> with in those downtimes between projects. Specifically, these tools are
> Struts (hey, you know I like Struts! :-), ant, junit and Cygwin. The funny
> thing, to me, is that these tools evaluated by tinkering are going to be part
> of the new locked down standard! Gotta laugh.
> 
> Simon
> 
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Daniel H. F. e Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:39 AM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: [OT] Eclipse IDE - The Two Towers
> >
> >
> >Hi all,
> > I do appreciate all feedback posted here in this list.
> > Well, i am only executing orders. I don't intend to obligate 
> >everybody to adopt my
> >recomendations.
> >My boss wants a standard environment to all developers. So, 
> >order is order.
> > I think his concern about this task is to improve 
> >productivity. So, what is more productive?
> > Following our discussion, does someone have experience 
> >writing Eclipse plugins? How difficult is
> >this kind of task?
> >
> >Best regards,
> > Daniel.
> > 
> >
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Re: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Joel Rees]

> True, but I'm still here because of geo-relegious* reasons and that
> makes up and moving off difficult. This means that I need to stay in the
> arena and keep swinging the sword of common sense, among others, for a
> while yet.
> 
> Simon
> 
> * I am assisting in the startup of a United Pentecostal Church in
> Dodgeville (I'm a lay preacher) and it's awfully hard to fulfill such a
> calling living anywhere else, and my employer is the only game in town
> for geeks unless I drive long'ish distances.

Preaching two gospels at once or preaching one Gospel and spending a lot
of time on the commute -- hard choice. But if your current employer at
least winks at your using your personal machine at the office, you've
got a fighting chance with that one.

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Re: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Joel Rees]

> That doesn't make you an individual, that makes you a sick puppy.
> ...
> 
> >Mark (wears jeans and hiking boots to the office now)
> >
> >
> >As opposed to Andrew who expresses his in-duh-viduality by 
> >wearing a jacket
> >in a tropical climate when his colleagues wear t-shirts... ;-)

Standardized office temperature, maybe?

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RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Chappell, Simon P]

and if you think this is bad, stick around for friday! ;-)

>-Original Message-
>From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:16 PM
>To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>The [OT] designation indicates this thread is garbage, so 
>don't get your
>pantyhose in a knot, dude.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Kenny Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 4:08 PM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>Who cares! Are you really just arguing capitalization instead 
>of trying 
>to help the person? Come on... this list is for helping people.
>
>Kenny Smith
>
>
>Mark Galbreath wrote:
>> Are you saying Java is not case sensitive nor conforms to naming 
>> standards? "Collections" is not "collections."
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Jacob Hookom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 2:40 PM
>> 
>> 
>> 
http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/collections/api/org/apache/commons/c
> ollect
> ions/FastHashMap.html
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 1:36 PM
> 
> No such thing.  Collections is a class.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jacob Hookom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 2:23 PM
> 
> ...(such as in the
> Fast*** implementations in the Collections package)
> 
> 
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RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Mark Galbreath]

The [OT] designation indicates this thread is garbage, so don't get your
pantyhose in a knot, dude.

-Original Message-
From: Kenny Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 4:08 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)


Who cares! Are you really just arguing capitalization instead of trying 
to help the person? Come on... this list is for helping people.

Kenny Smith


Mark Galbreath wrote:
> Are you saying Java is not case sensitive nor conforms to naming 
> standards? "Collections" is not "collections."
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jacob Hookom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 2:40 PM
> 
> 
> http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/collections/api/org/apache/commons/c
> ollect
> ions/FastHashMap.html
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 1:36 PM
> 
> No such thing.  Collections is a class.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jacob Hookom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 2:23 PM
> 
> ...(such as in the
> Fast*** implementations in the Collections package)
> 
> 
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Re: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Kenny Smith]

Who cares! Are you really just arguing capitalization instead of trying 
to help the person? Come on... this list is for helping people.

Kenny Smith


Mark Galbreath wrote:
Are you saying Java is not case sensitive nor conforms to naming standards?
"Collections" is not "collections."

-Original Message-
From: Jacob Hookom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 2:40 PM


http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/collections/api/org/apache/commons/collect
ions/FastHashMap.html


-Original Message-
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 1:36 PM

No such thing.  Collections is a class.

-Original Message-
From: Jacob Hookom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 2:23 PM

...(such as in the
Fast*** implementations in the Collections package)



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RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Mark Galbreath]

Are you saying Java is not case sensitive nor conforms to naming standards?
"Collections" is not "collections."

-Original Message-
From: Jacob Hookom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 2:40 PM


http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/collections/api/org/apache/commons/collect
ions/FastHashMap.html


-Original Message-
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 1:36 PM

No such thing.  Collections is a class.

-Original Message-
From: Jacob Hookom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 2:23 PM

...(such as in the
Fast*** implementations in the Collections package)



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RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Mark Galbreath]

-Original Message-
From: Jacob Hookom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 2:40 PM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)


http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/collections/api/org/apache/commons/collect
ions/FastHashMap.html


-Original Message-
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 1:36 PM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

No such thing.  Collections is a class.

-Original Message-
From: Jacob Hookom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 2:23 PM

...(such as in the
Fast*** implementations in the Collections package)



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RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Craig R. McClanahan]

On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Jacob Hookom wrote:

> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:22:34 -0600
> From: Jacob Hookom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
> I have a question, why does cloning the tables or collection (such as in the
> Fast*** implementations in the Collections package) constitute fast?
>

Cloning only happens when you modify the underlying collection.  You
should only use the fast collections when the very large majority of your
accesses (like, 99%) are reads.  In that scenario, the "fast" collections
run faster becasue they don't synchronize.

Craig


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RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Jacob Hookom]

http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/collections/api/org/apache/commons/collect
ions/FastHashMap.html


-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 1:36 PM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

No such thing.  Collections is a class.

-Original Message-
From: Jacob Hookom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 2:23 PM

...(such as in the
Fast*** implementations in the Collections package)



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RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Mark Galbreath]

No such thing.  Collections is a class.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 2:23 PM

...(such as in the
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RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Jacob Hookom]

I have a question, why does cloning the tables or collection (such as in the
Fast*** implementations in the Collections package) constitute fast?


-Original Message-
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 1:14 PM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

Only if you can tell the difference between a Hashtable and a vector (or a
Collection and a Collections)

-Original Message-
From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:26 AM

If I wasn't working here for geographical/religious reasons, then I'd be
freshening up my resume and going to work with Mark. (well, maybe not ;-)

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RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Mark Galbreath]

Only if you can tell the difference between a Hashtable and a vector (or a
Collection and a Collections)

-Original Message-
From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:26 AM

If I wasn't working here for geographical/religious reasons, then I'd be
freshening up my resume and going to work with Mark. (well, maybe not ;-)

Simon



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RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Daniel H. F. e Silva]

Hi all,

--- "Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Typically management worry about not having someone to blame if there is a problem. 

You gotcha!

> I told him that there was the ASF, but that there is an explicit no warranty clause 
>in the
> Apache license.

And do Microsoft, IBM, Sun, Oracle, etc, give warranty about their products? 

> Money is usually a very small factor in the issue.

Well, so i have to praise the Lord for my boss. The cheaper the solution, the best it 
is.

Best regards,
 Daniel.

 



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RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Haseltine, Celeste]

Good luck Simon.  Personally, when a management team begins to make really
silly, non-productive decisions like the one you mentioned, I start looking
around for another position, discretely, of course.  Things like that just
make doing your job that much harder, and really impact the atmosphere and
productivity of the work environment.

Best of luck to you

Celeste

-Original Message-
From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:55 AM
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Celeste,

Actually, I do have full rights to my machine. You should see the list of
non-approved software on here! :-D

Concerning starting and stopping services, we will have a development server
to publish to so that we don't need that ability on our workstations.

I have very strongly represented that this approach is so far below
sub-optimal that it isn't funny, but management still want everything locked
down.

Simon

>-Original Message-
>From: Haseltine, Celeste [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:39 AM
>To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>Simon, 
>
>To my knowledge, on Windows 2000, you can put people into 
>"roles", such as
>Admin, User, etc.  This will limit the user's ability to 
>install software,
>but if you can "guess" the admins password successfully, then 
>you just add
>yourself into the Admin role on the machine, and your home 
>free.  In fact,
>there is software out there that does just that, as my young 
>(21 year old)
>network admin has advised me of.  We have had several people 
>in the company
>(non development staff) use that same software to install KaZaa and/or
>Morpheus, thereby bypassing the User "lock" on their machines. 
> I have no
>problem if people use their machines after business hours to 
>download large
>files, but during business hours, it ties up the bandwidth we need to
>conduct business.  
>
>By the way, how is your staff going to be able to start/stop your local
>version of the application server on their dev boxes?  We use 
>JRUN 4.0 here,
>and it requires you to be in the admin role on the machine to 
>be able to
>start/stop the server on your local machine for development 
>purposes.  And
>we use an Eclipse plug in for JRUN to start/stop the server, 
>debug, and to
>compile our JSP pages down to servlets.  None of that would be 
>possible on
>the local developers machine if we moved their login to simply 
>a User role,
>vs the Admin role.  Perhaps if you look closer at what each 
>developer needs
>access to in order to do his/her job, then you could make a 
>case for leaving
>the development staff in the Admin role on their machines.
>
>Celeste  
>
>-----Original Message-
>From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:26 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>Celeste,
>
>With Windows 2000, it is very possible to lock down a machine. 
>Now, it is
>also hackable, but that would be against policy and therefore 
>a "punishable
>by dismissal" offence.
>
>It is a huge drag on productivity and this has been pointed out and
>rejected. So, let them manage the developers however they 
>wish. My personal
>laptop and I will continue to be productive.
>
>If I wasn't working here for geographical/religious reasons, 
>then I'd be
>freshening up my resume and going to work with Mark. (well, 
>maybe not ;-)
>
>Simon
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Haseltine, Celeste [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:13 AM
>>To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
>>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>>
>>
>>Simon, 
>>
>>How in the world can you lock down a developers machine?  Not 
>>only is that
>>non-productive in my opinion, but I suspect that half the 
>>staff would be
>>spending some of their time trying to figure out the admin 
>>password on their
>>machine, just to "remove" the "lock" (for Windows only 
>>operating systems, of
>>course).  You must have a separate IT support department that 
>>is on a power
>>trip trying to control the IT development groups machines.
>>
>>Like you, I would be bringing in my own laptop, and doing my 
>work in it
>>while looking for another job.
>>
>>Celeste
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>

RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Chappell, Simon P]

True, but I'm still here because of geo-relegious* reasons and that makes up and 
moving off difficult. This means that I need to stay in the arena and keep swinging 
the sword of common sense, among others, for a while yet.

Simon

* I am assisting in the startup of a United Pentecostal Church in Dodgeville (I'm a 
lay preacher) and it's awfully hard to fulfill such a calling living anywhere else, 
and my employer is the only game in town for geeks unless I drive long'ish distances.

>-Original Message-
>From: James Childers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:02 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>Wow. Sounds like you have issues of controlling egos entering 
>into the equation. At this point I would just throw my hands 
>up and start looking around. IMHO, ego is the number one cause 
>of project failures: the unspoken subtext is "We have to do it 
>this way because I said so. If we don't, it will make me look 
>bad. Therefore, I will fight like mad to do things this way, 
>no matter what."
>
>There is no more certain recipe for failure than this.
>
>-= J
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:55 AM
>> To: Struts Users Mailing List
>> Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] 
>Eclipse IDE)
>> 
>> Celeste,
>> 
>> Actually, I do have full rights to my machine. You should see 
>> the list of non-approved software on here! :-D
>> 
>> Concerning starting and stopping services, we will have a 
>> development server to publish to so that we don't need that 
>> ability on our workstations.
>> 
>> I have very strongly represented that this approach is so far 
>> below sub-optimal that it isn't funny, but management still 
>> want everything locked down.
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
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RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[James Childers]

Wow. Sounds like you have issues of controlling egos entering into the equation. At 
this point I would just throw my hands up and start looking around. IMHO, ego is the 
number one cause of project failures: the unspoken subtext is "We have to do it this 
way because I said so. If we don't, it will make me look bad. Therefore, I will fight 
like mad to do things this way, no matter what."

There is no more certain recipe for failure than this.

-= J

> -Original Message-
> From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:55 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
> 
> Celeste,
> 
> Actually, I do have full rights to my machine. You should see 
> the list of non-approved software on here! :-D
> 
> Concerning starting and stopping services, we will have a 
> development server to publish to so that we don't need that 
> ability on our workstations.
> 
> I have very strongly represented that this approach is so far 
> below sub-optimal that it isn't funny, but management still 
> want everything locked down.
> 
> Simon
> 

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RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Chappell, Simon P]

Celeste,

Actually, I do have full rights to my machine. You should see the list of non-approved 
software on here! :-D

Concerning starting and stopping services, we will have a development server to 
publish to so that we don't need that ability on our workstations.

I have very strongly represented that this approach is so far below sub-optimal that 
it isn't funny, but management still want everything locked down.

Simon

>-Original Message-
>From: Haseltine, Celeste [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:39 AM
>To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>Simon, 
>
>To my knowledge, on Windows 2000, you can put people into 
>"roles", such as
>Admin, User, etc.  This will limit the user's ability to 
>install software,
>but if you can "guess" the admins password successfully, then 
>you just add
>yourself into the Admin role on the machine, and your home 
>free.  In fact,
>there is software out there that does just that, as my young 
>(21 year old)
>network admin has advised me of.  We have had several people 
>in the company
>(non development staff) use that same software to install KaZaa and/or
>Morpheus, thereby bypassing the User "lock" on their machines. 
> I have no
>problem if people use their machines after business hours to 
>download large
>files, but during business hours, it ties up the bandwidth we need to
>conduct business.  
>
>By the way, how is your staff going to be able to start/stop your local
>version of the application server on their dev boxes?  We use 
>JRUN 4.0 here,
>and it requires you to be in the admin role on the machine to 
>be able to
>start/stop the server on your local machine for development 
>purposes.  And
>we use an Eclipse plug in for JRUN to start/stop the server, 
>debug, and to
>compile our JSP pages down to servlets.  None of that would be 
>possible on
>the local developers machine if we moved their login to simply 
>a User role,
>vs the Admin role.  Perhaps if you look closer at what each 
>developer needs
>access to in order to do his/her job, then you could make a 
>case for leaving
>the development staff in the Admin role on their machines.
>
>Celeste  
>
>-----Original Message-
>From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:26 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>Celeste,
>
>With Windows 2000, it is very possible to lock down a machine. 
>Now, it is
>also hackable, but that would be against policy and therefore 
>a "punishable
>by dismissal" offence.
>
>It is a huge drag on productivity and this has been pointed out and
>rejected. So, let them manage the developers however they 
>wish. My personal
>laptop and I will continue to be productive.
>
>If I wasn't working here for geographical/religious reasons, 
>then I'd be
>freshening up my resume and going to work with Mark. (well, 
>maybe not ;-)
>
>Simon
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Haseltine, Celeste [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:13 AM
>>To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
>>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>>
>>
>>Simon, 
>>
>>How in the world can you lock down a developers machine?  Not 
>>only is that
>>non-productive in my opinion, but I suspect that half the 
>>staff would be
>>spending some of their time trying to figure out the admin 
>>password on their
>>machine, just to "remove" the "lock" (for Windows only 
>>operating systems, of
>>course).  You must have a separate IT support department that 
>>is on a power
>>trip trying to control the IT development groups machines.
>>
>>Like you, I would be bringing in my own laptop, and doing my 
>work in it
>>while looking for another job.
>>
>>Celeste
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:31 AM
>>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>>Subject: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>>
>>
>>Our management (I won't say leadership, for reasons that will 
>>be obvious to
>>experienced IS developers) also have the belief that 
>standardisation is
>>good. We are having our J2EE workstations defined to the n'th 
>>degree and
>>they will all be locked down so that you can't change 
>>anyt

RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Haseltine, Celeste]

Simon, 

To my knowledge, on Windows 2000, you can put people into "roles", such as
Admin, User, etc.  This will limit the user's ability to install software,
but if you can "guess" the admins password successfully, then you just add
yourself into the Admin role on the machine, and your home free.  In fact,
there is software out there that does just that, as my young (21 year old)
network admin has advised me of.  We have had several people in the company
(non development staff) use that same software to install KaZaa and/or
Morpheus, thereby bypassing the User "lock" on their machines.  I have no
problem if people use their machines after business hours to download large
files, but during business hours, it ties up the bandwidth we need to
conduct business.  

By the way, how is your staff going to be able to start/stop your local
version of the application server on their dev boxes?  We use JRUN 4.0 here,
and it requires you to be in the admin role on the machine to be able to
start/stop the server on your local machine for development purposes.  And
we use an Eclipse plug in for JRUN to start/stop the server, debug, and to
compile our JSP pages down to servlets.  None of that would be possible on
the local developers machine if we moved their login to simply a User role,
vs the Admin role.  Perhaps if you look closer at what each developer needs
access to in order to do his/her job, then you could make a case for leaving
the development staff in the Admin role on their machines.

Celeste  

-Original Message-
From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:26 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)


Celeste,

With Windows 2000, it is very possible to lock down a machine. Now, it is
also hackable, but that would be against policy and therefore a "punishable
by dismissal" offence.

It is a huge drag on productivity and this has been pointed out and
rejected. So, let them manage the developers however they wish. My personal
laptop and I will continue to be productive.

If I wasn't working here for geographical/religious reasons, then I'd be
freshening up my resume and going to work with Mark. (well, maybe not ;-)

Simon

>-Original Message-
>From: Haseltine, Celeste [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:13 AM
>To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>Simon, 
>
>How in the world can you lock down a developers machine?  Not 
>only is that
>non-productive in my opinion, but I suspect that half the 
>staff would be
>spending some of their time trying to figure out the admin 
>password on their
>machine, just to "remove" the "lock" (for Windows only 
>operating systems, of
>course).  You must have a separate IT support department that 
>is on a power
>trip trying to control the IT development groups machines.
>
>Like you, I would be bringing in my own laptop, and doing my work in it
>while looking for another job.
>
>Celeste
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:31 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>Our management (I won't say leadership, for reasons that will 
>be obvious to
>experienced IS developers) also have the belief that standardisation is
>good. We are having our J2EE workstations defined to the n'th 
>degree and
>they will all be locked down so that you can't change 
>anything. You can't
>even change your windows wallpaper!!! Our IDE is defined, 
>you'd better like
>it because you can't install anything else. All in the sacred name of
>productivity.
>
>Anyone else out there going through this or have advice to share?
>
>I am planning to bring my personal laptop to work to do any of 
>my tinkering
>on. I like to think that my tinkering is helpful to the 
>company, but you
>wouldn't think so from these new policies. This past year, I 
>have introduced
>to the company's IS environment four new tools that I 
>evaluated by tinkering
>with in those downtimes between projects. Specifically, these tools are
>Struts (hey, you know I like Struts! :-), ant, junit and 
>Cygwin. The funny
>thing, to me, is that these tools evaluated by tinkering are 
>going to be
>part of the new locked down standard! Gotta laugh.
>
>Simon
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Daniel H. F. e Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:39 AM
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: [OT] Eclipse IDE - The Two Tow

RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Chappell, Simon P]

That doesn't make you an individual, that makes you a sick puppy.

>-Original Message-
>From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:25 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>
>Mark (wears jeans and hiking boots to the office now)
>
>
>As opposed to Andrew who expresses his in-duh-viduality by 
>wearing a jacket
>in a tropical climate when his colleagues wear t-shirts... ;-)
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, 22 January 2003 00:18
>To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>One of the reasons I left the T-Mobile project was because the 
>client was
>incredibly anal-retentive about the most trivial crap.  As I 
>always say,
>"Don't sweat the petty stuff, and don't pet the sweaty stuff."
>
>Death to cube farms and ties!
>
>Mark (wears jeans and hiking boots to the office now)
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:45 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>I wear jeans. (Although I do buy them from the company at a 
>very reasonable
>discount)
>
>>-Original Message-----
>>From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:40 AM
>>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>>
>>
>>So, do you have to pay for your own uniforms, or does the
>>company supply
>>them?
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2003 22:31
>>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>>Subject: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>>
>>
>>Our management (I won't say leadership, for reasons that will
>>be obvious to
>>experienced IS developers) also have the belief that 
>standardisation is
>>good. We are having our J2EE workstations defined to the n'th
>>degree and
>>they will all be locked down so that you can't change
>>anything. You can't
>>even change your windows wallpaper!!! Our IDE is defined,
>>you'd better like
>>it because you can't install anything else. All in the sacred name of
>>productivity.
>>
>>Anyone else out there going through this or have advice to share?
>>
>>I am planning to bring my personal laptop to work to do any of
>>my tinkering
>>on. I like to think that my tinkering is helpful to the
>>company, but you
>>wouldn't think so from these new policies. This past year, I
>>have introduced
>>to the company's IS environment four new tools that I
>>evaluated by tinkering
>>with in those downtimes between projects. Specifically, these 
>tools are
>>Struts (hey, you know I like Struts! :-), ant, junit and
>>Cygwin. The funny
>>thing, to me, is that these tools evaluated by tinkering are
>>going to be
>>part of the new locked down standard! Gotta laugh.
>>
>>Simon
>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Daniel H. F. e Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:39 AM
>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Subject: [OT] Eclipse IDE - The Two Towers
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi all,
>>> I do appreciate all feedback posted here in this list.
>>> Well, i am only executing orders. I don't intend to obligate
>>>everybody to adopt my recomendations.
>>>My boss wants a standard environment to all developers. So,
>>>order is order.
>>> I think his concern about this task is to improve
>>>productivity. So, what is more productive?
>>> Following our discussion, does someone have experience
>>>writing Eclipse plugins? How difficult is
>>>this kind of task?
>>>
>>>Best regards,
>>> Daniel.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Andrew Hill]

Mark (wears jeans and hiking boots to the office now)


As opposed to Andrew who expresses his in-duh-viduality by wearing a jacket
in a tropical climate when his colleagues wear t-shirts... ;-)

-Original Message-
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 January 2003 00:18
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)


One of the reasons I left the T-Mobile project was because the client was
incredibly anal-retentive about the most trivial crap.  As I always say,
"Don't sweat the petty stuff, and don't pet the sweaty stuff."

Death to cube farms and ties!

Mark (wears jeans and hiking boots to the office now)

-Original Message-
From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:45 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)


I wear jeans. (Although I do buy them from the company at a very reasonable
discount)

>-Original Message-
>From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:40 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>So, do you have to pay for your own uniforms, or does the
>company supply
>them?
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2003 22:31
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>Our management (I won't say leadership, for reasons that will
>be obvious to
>experienced IS developers) also have the belief that standardisation is
>good. We are having our J2EE workstations defined to the n'th
>degree and
>they will all be locked down so that you can't change
>anything. You can't
>even change your windows wallpaper!!! Our IDE is defined,
>you'd better like
>it because you can't install anything else. All in the sacred name of
>productivity.
>
>Anyone else out there going through this or have advice to share?
>
>I am planning to bring my personal laptop to work to do any of
>my tinkering
>on. I like to think that my tinkering is helpful to the
>company, but you
>wouldn't think so from these new policies. This past year, I
>have introduced
>to the company's IS environment four new tools that I
>evaluated by tinkering
>with in those downtimes between projects. Specifically, these tools are
>Struts (hey, you know I like Struts! :-), ant, junit and
>Cygwin. The funny
>thing, to me, is that these tools evaluated by tinkering are
>going to be
>part of the new locked down standard! Gotta laugh.
>
>Simon
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Daniel H. F. e Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:39 AM
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: [OT] Eclipse IDE - The Two Towers
>>
>>
>>Hi all,
>> I do appreciate all feedback posted here in this list.
>> Well, i am only executing orders. I don't intend to obligate
>>everybody to adopt my recomendations.
>>My boss wants a standard environment to all developers. So,
>>order is order.
>> I think his concern about this task is to improve
>>productivity. So, what is more productive?
>> Following our discussion, does someone have experience
>>writing Eclipse plugins? How difficult is
>>this kind of task?
>>
>>Best regards,
>> Daniel.
>>
>>
>>
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RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Chappell, Simon P]

Celeste,

With Windows 2000, it is very possible to lock down a machine. Now, it is also 
hackable, but that would be against policy and therefore a "punishable by dismissal" 
offence.

It is a huge drag on productivity and this has been pointed out and rejected. So, let 
them manage the developers however they wish. My personal laptop and I will continue 
to be productive.

If I wasn't working here for geographical/religious reasons, then I'd be freshening up 
my resume and going to work with Mark. (well, maybe not ;-)

Simon

>-Original Message-
>From: Haseltine, Celeste [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:13 AM
>To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>Simon, 
>
>How in the world can you lock down a developers machine?  Not 
>only is that
>non-productive in my opinion, but I suspect that half the 
>staff would be
>spending some of their time trying to figure out the admin 
>password on their
>machine, just to "remove" the "lock" (for Windows only 
>operating systems, of
>course).  You must have a separate IT support department that 
>is on a power
>trip trying to control the IT development groups machines.
>
>Like you, I would be bringing in my own laptop, and doing my work in it
>while looking for another job.
>
>Celeste
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:31 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>Our management (I won't say leadership, for reasons that will 
>be obvious to
>experienced IS developers) also have the belief that standardisation is
>good. We are having our J2EE workstations defined to the n'th 
>degree and
>they will all be locked down so that you can't change 
>anything. You can't
>even change your windows wallpaper!!! Our IDE is defined, 
>you'd better like
>it because you can't install anything else. All in the sacred name of
>productivity.
>
>Anyone else out there going through this or have advice to share?
>
>I am planning to bring my personal laptop to work to do any of 
>my tinkering
>on. I like to think that my tinkering is helpful to the 
>company, but you
>wouldn't think so from these new policies. This past year, I 
>have introduced
>to the company's IS environment four new tools that I 
>evaluated by tinkering
>with in those downtimes between projects. Specifically, these tools are
>Struts (hey, you know I like Struts! :-), ant, junit and 
>Cygwin. The funny
>thing, to me, is that these tools evaluated by tinkering are 
>going to be
>part of the new locked down standard! Gotta laugh.
>
>Simon
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Daniel H. F. e Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:39 AM
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: [OT] Eclipse IDE - The Two Towers
>>
>>
>>Hi all,
>> I do appreciate all feedback posted here in this list.
>> Well, i am only executing orders. I don't intend to obligate 
>>everybody to adopt my
>>recomendations.
>>My boss wants a standard environment to all developers. So, 
>>order is order.
>> I think his concern about this task is to improve 
>>productivity. So, what is more productive?
>> Following our discussion, does someone have experience 
>>writing Eclipse plugins? How difficult is
>>this kind of task?
>>
>>Best regards,
>> Daniel.
>> 
>>
>>
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RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Haseltine, Celeste]

Simon, 

How in the world can you lock down a developers machine?  Not only is that
non-productive in my opinion, but I suspect that half the staff would be
spending some of their time trying to figure out the admin password on their
machine, just to "remove" the "lock" (for Windows only operating systems, of
course).  You must have a separate IT support department that is on a power
trip trying to control the IT development groups machines.

Like you, I would be bringing in my own laptop, and doing my work in it
while looking for another job.

Celeste

-Original Message-
From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:31 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)


Our management (I won't say leadership, for reasons that will be obvious to
experienced IS developers) also have the belief that standardisation is
good. We are having our J2EE workstations defined to the n'th degree and
they will all be locked down so that you can't change anything. You can't
even change your windows wallpaper!!! Our IDE is defined, you'd better like
it because you can't install anything else. All in the sacred name of
productivity.

Anyone else out there going through this or have advice to share?

I am planning to bring my personal laptop to work to do any of my tinkering
on. I like to think that my tinkering is helpful to the company, but you
wouldn't think so from these new policies. This past year, I have introduced
to the company's IS environment four new tools that I evaluated by tinkering
with in those downtimes between projects. Specifically, these tools are
Struts (hey, you know I like Struts! :-), ant, junit and Cygwin. The funny
thing, to me, is that these tools evaluated by tinkering are going to be
part of the new locked down standard! Gotta laugh.

Simon

>-Original Message-
>From: Daniel H. F. e Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:39 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [OT] Eclipse IDE - The Two Towers
>
>
>Hi all,
> I do appreciate all feedback posted here in this list.
> Well, i am only executing orders. I don't intend to obligate 
>everybody to adopt my
>recomendations.
>My boss wants a standard environment to all developers. So, 
>order is order.
> I think his concern about this task is to improve 
>productivity. So, what is more productive?
> Following our discussion, does someone have experience 
>writing Eclipse plugins? How difficult is
>this kind of task?
>
>Best regards,
> Daniel.
> 
>
>
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RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Mark Galbreath]

One of the reasons I left the T-Mobile project was because the client was
incredibly anal-retentive about the most trivial crap.  As I always say,
"Don't sweat the petty stuff, and don't pet the sweaty stuff."

Death to cube farms and ties!

Mark (wears jeans and hiking boots to the office now)

-Original Message-
From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:45 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)


I wear jeans. (Although I do buy them from the company at a very reasonable
discount)

>-Original Message-
>From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:40 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>So, do you have to pay for your own uniforms, or does the
>company supply
>them?
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2003 22:31
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>Our management (I won't say leadership, for reasons that will
>be obvious to
>experienced IS developers) also have the belief that standardisation is
>good. We are having our J2EE workstations defined to the n'th 
>degree and
>they will all be locked down so that you can't change 
>anything. You can't
>even change your windows wallpaper!!! Our IDE is defined, 
>you'd better like
>it because you can't install anything else. All in the sacred name of
>productivity.
>
>Anyone else out there going through this or have advice to share?
>
>I am planning to bring my personal laptop to work to do any of
>my tinkering
>on. I like to think that my tinkering is helpful to the 
>company, but you
>wouldn't think so from these new policies. This past year, I 
>have introduced
>to the company's IS environment four new tools that I 
>evaluated by tinkering
>with in those downtimes between projects. Specifically, these tools are
>Struts (hey, you know I like Struts! :-), ant, junit and 
>Cygwin. The funny
>thing, to me, is that these tools evaluated by tinkering are 
>going to be
>part of the new locked down standard! Gotta laugh.
>
>Simon
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Daniel H. F. e Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:39 AM
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: [OT] Eclipse IDE - The Two Towers
>>
>>
>>Hi all,
>> I do appreciate all feedback posted here in this list.
>> Well, i am only executing orders. I don't intend to obligate 
>>everybody to adopt my recomendations.
>>My boss wants a standard environment to all developers. So,
>>order is order.
>> I think his concern about this task is to improve
>>productivity. So, what is more productive?
>> Following our discussion, does someone have experience
>>writing Eclipse plugins? How difficult is
>>this kind of task?
>>
>>Best regards,
>> Daniel.
>>
>>
>>
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RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Pani, Gourav]

The "saving money" ploy goes a long way.  The only thing they had objections
to were Support issues.  But when they saw the "wonderful" WebShpere support
we got, they realized there was no point in paying to get "service".
Additionally, at the time that we made these changes we got a CIO who is a
tech guy and was very supportive of these changes.  The money thing was
still the clincher.

-Original Message-
From: Vinh Tran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:43 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)


What about management?  I'm sure they liked the idea of saving alot of
money.  But how did they respond to open source solutions?

-Original Message-
From: Pani, Gourav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:28 AM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)


most of the process took about 6 months, which isn't bad at all in my
opinion.  as far as opposition is concered, we got some from the
chronologically challenged members of the team but alas, they were
outnumbered.  my only wish is that jEdit would improve its vi plugin.  then
the circle would really be complete.

-Original Message-
From: Vinh Tran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:31 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)


Wow...that is quite a transition.  I'm curious to know if these changes were
met with alot of opposition?  How long did it take?

Vinh

-Original Message-
From: Pani, Gourav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:51 AM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)


Suddenly my life doesn't look so bad.  :)

When I first started working for my company we were using Websphere
Application Server, Websphere Application Developer, Oracle/DB2 on Unix
servers.
Now we use Struts, Apache, Resin, jEdit, SAPDB/POSTGRESQL/MySQL on Red Hat
Linux.

Not bad.

-Original Message-
From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:45 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)


I wear jeans. (Although I do buy them from the company at a very reasonable
discount)

>-Original Message-
>From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:40 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>So, do you have to pay for your own uniforms, or does the
>company supply
>them?
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2003 22:31
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>Our management (I won't say leadership, for reasons that will
>be obvious to
>experienced IS developers) also have the belief that standardisation is
>good. We are having our J2EE workstations defined to the n'th
>degree and
>they will all be locked down so that you can't change
>anything. You can't
>even change your windows wallpaper!!! Our IDE is defined,
>you'd better like
>it because you can't install anything else. All in the sacred name of
>productivity.
>
>Anyone else out there going through this or have advice to share?
>
>I am planning to bring my personal laptop to work to do any of
>my tinkering
>on. I like to think that my tinkering is helpful to the
>company, but you
>wouldn't think so from these new policies. This past year, I
>have introduced
>to the company's IS environment four new tools that I
>evaluated by tinkering
>with in those downtimes between projects. Specifically, these tools are
>Struts (hey, you know I like Struts! :-), ant, junit and
>Cygwin. The funny
>thing, to me, is that these tools evaluated by tinkering are
>going to be
>part of the new locked down standard! Gotta laugh.
>
>Simon
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Daniel H. F. e Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:39 AM
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: [OT] Eclipse IDE - The Two Towers
>>
>>
>>Hi all,
>> I do appreciate all feedback posted here in this list.
>> Well, i am only executing orders. I don't intend to obligate
>>everybody to adopt my
>>recomendations.
>>My boss wants a standard environment to all developers. So,
>>order is order.
>> I think his concern about this task is to improve
>>productivi

RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Jerry Jalenak]

The beauty of open-source: if there is a problem with the Struts code, open
up the source, fix it, and submit the patch.  Everyone benefits.


Jerry

> -Original Message-
> From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:44 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
> 
> 
> Typically management worry about not having someone to blame 
> if there is a problem. My own manager was asking who we would 
> have recourse against (is this a polite way of saying "Sue 
> them into the ground"?) if there was a problem with the 
> Struts code. I told him that there was the ASF, but that 
> there is an explicit no warranty clause in the Apache 
> licence. He wasn't keen to hear that. Money is usually a very 
> small factor in the issue.
> 
> Simon
> 
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Vinh Tran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:43 AM
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] 
> Eclipse IDE)
> >
> >
> >What about management?  I'm sure they liked the idea of 
> saving alot of
> >money.  But how did they respond to open source solutions?
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Pani, Gourav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:28 AM
> >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> >Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] 
> Eclipse IDE)
> >
> >
> >most of the process took about 6 months, which isn't bad at all in my
> >opinion.  as far as opposition is concered, we got some from the
> >chronologically challenged members of the team but alas, they were
> >outnumbered.  my only wish is that jEdit would improve its vi 
> >plugin.  then
> >the circle would really be complete.
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Vinh Tran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:31 AM
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] 
> Eclipse IDE)
> >
> >
> >Wow...that is quite a transition.  I'm curious to know if 
> >these changes were
> >met with alot of opposition?  How long did it take?
> >
> >Vinh
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Pani, Gourav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:51 AM
> >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> >Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] 
> Eclipse IDE)
> >
> >
> >Suddenly my life doesn't look so bad.  :)
> >
> >When I first started working for my company we were using Websphere
> >Application Server, Websphere Application Developer, 
> Oracle/DB2 on Unix
> >servers.
> >Now we use Struts, Apache, Resin, jEdit, 
> >SAPDB/POSTGRESQL/MySQL on Red Hat
> >Linux.
> >
> >Not bad.
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:45 AM
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] 
> Eclipse IDE)
> >
> >
> >I wear jeans. (Although I do buy them from the company at a 
> >very reasonable
> >discount)
> >
> >>-Original Message-----
> >>From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:40 AM
> >>To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] 
> Eclipse IDE)
> >>
> >>
> >>So, do you have to pay for your own uniforms, or does the
> >>company supply
> >>them?
> >>
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2003 22:31
> >>To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >>Subject: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
> >>
> >>
> >>Our management (I won't say leadership, for reasons that will
> >>be obvious to
> >>experienced IS developers) also have the belief that 
> >standardisation is
> >>good. We are having our J2EE workstations defined to the n'th
> >>degree and
> >>they will all be locked down so that you can't change
> >>anything. You can't
> >>even change your windows wallpaper!!! Our IDE is defined,
> >>you'd better like
> >&g

RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Chappell, Simon P]

Typically management worry about not having someone to blame if there is a problem. My 
own manager was asking who we would have recourse against (is this a polite way of 
saying "Sue them into the ground"?) if there was a problem with the Struts code. I 
told him that there was the ASF, but that there is an explicit no warranty clause in 
the Apache licence. He wasn't keen to hear that. Money is usually a very small factor 
in the issue.

Simon

>-Original Message-
>From: Vinh Tran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:43 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>What about management?  I'm sure they liked the idea of saving alot of
>money.  But how did they respond to open source solutions?
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Pani, Gourav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:28 AM
>To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>most of the process took about 6 months, which isn't bad at all in my
>opinion.  as far as opposition is concered, we got some from the
>chronologically challenged members of the team but alas, they were
>outnumbered.  my only wish is that jEdit would improve its vi 
>plugin.  then
>the circle would really be complete.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Vinh Tran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:31 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>Wow...that is quite a transition.  I'm curious to know if 
>these changes were
>met with alot of opposition?  How long did it take?
>
>Vinh
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Pani, Gourav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:51 AM
>To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>Suddenly my life doesn't look so bad.  :)
>
>When I first started working for my company we were using Websphere
>Application Server, Websphere Application Developer, Oracle/DB2 on Unix
>servers.
>Now we use Struts, Apache, Resin, jEdit, 
>SAPDB/POSTGRESQL/MySQL on Red Hat
>Linux.
>
>Not bad.
>
>-----Original Message-
>From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:45 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>I wear jeans. (Although I do buy them from the company at a 
>very reasonable
>discount)
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:40 AM
>>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>>
>>
>>So, do you have to pay for your own uniforms, or does the
>>company supply
>>them?
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2003 22:31
>>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>>Subject: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>>
>>
>>Our management (I won't say leadership, for reasons that will
>>be obvious to
>>experienced IS developers) also have the belief that 
>standardisation is
>>good. We are having our J2EE workstations defined to the n'th
>>degree and
>>they will all be locked down so that you can't change
>>anything. You can't
>>even change your windows wallpaper!!! Our IDE is defined,
>>you'd better like
>>it because you can't install anything else. All in the sacred name of
>>productivity.
>>
>>Anyone else out there going through this or have advice to share?
>>
>>I am planning to bring my personal laptop to work to do any of
>>my tinkering
>>on. I like to think that my tinkering is helpful to the
>>company, but you
>>wouldn't think so from these new policies. This past year, I
>>have introduced
>>to the company's IS environment four new tools that I
>>evaluated by tinkering
>>with in those downtimes between projects. Specifically, these 
>tools are
>>Struts (hey, you know I like Struts! :-), ant, junit and
>>Cygwin. The funny
>>thing, to me, is that these tools evaluated by tinkering are
>>going to be
>>part of the new locked down standard! Gotta laugh.
>>
>>Simon
>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Daniel H. F. e Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PR

RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Vinh Tran]

What about management?  I'm sure they liked the idea of saving alot of
money.  But how did they respond to open source solutions?

-Original Message-
From: Pani, Gourav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:28 AM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)


most of the process took about 6 months, which isn't bad at all in my
opinion.  as far as opposition is concered, we got some from the
chronologically challenged members of the team but alas, they were
outnumbered.  my only wish is that jEdit would improve its vi plugin.  then
the circle would really be complete.

-Original Message-
From: Vinh Tran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:31 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)


Wow...that is quite a transition.  I'm curious to know if these changes were
met with alot of opposition?  How long did it take?

Vinh

-Original Message-
From: Pani, Gourav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:51 AM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)


Suddenly my life doesn't look so bad.  :)

When I first started working for my company we were using Websphere
Application Server, Websphere Application Developer, Oracle/DB2 on Unix
servers.
Now we use Struts, Apache, Resin, jEdit, SAPDB/POSTGRESQL/MySQL on Red Hat
Linux.

Not bad.

-Original Message-
From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:45 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)


I wear jeans. (Although I do buy them from the company at a very reasonable
discount)

>-Original Message-
>From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:40 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>So, do you have to pay for your own uniforms, or does the
>company supply
>them?
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2003 22:31
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>Our management (I won't say leadership, for reasons that will
>be obvious to
>experienced IS developers) also have the belief that standardisation is
>good. We are having our J2EE workstations defined to the n'th
>degree and
>they will all be locked down so that you can't change
>anything. You can't
>even change your windows wallpaper!!! Our IDE is defined,
>you'd better like
>it because you can't install anything else. All in the sacred name of
>productivity.
>
>Anyone else out there going through this or have advice to share?
>
>I am planning to bring my personal laptop to work to do any of
>my tinkering
>on. I like to think that my tinkering is helpful to the
>company, but you
>wouldn't think so from these new policies. This past year, I
>have introduced
>to the company's IS environment four new tools that I
>evaluated by tinkering
>with in those downtimes between projects. Specifically, these tools are
>Struts (hey, you know I like Struts! :-), ant, junit and
>Cygwin. The funny
>thing, to me, is that these tools evaluated by tinkering are
>going to be
>part of the new locked down standard! Gotta laugh.
>
>Simon
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Daniel H. F. e Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:39 AM
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: [OT] Eclipse IDE - The Two Towers
>>
>>
>>Hi all,
>> I do appreciate all feedback posted here in this list.
>> Well, i am only executing orders. I don't intend to obligate
>>everybody to adopt my
>>recomendations.
>>My boss wants a standard environment to all developers. So,
>>order is order.
>> I think his concern about this task is to improve
>>productivity. So, what is more productive?
>> Following our discussion, does someone have experience
>>writing Eclipse plugins? How difficult is
>>this kind of task?
>>
>>Best regards,
>> Daniel.
>>
>>
>>
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RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Pani, Gourav]

most of the process took about 6 months, which isn't bad at all in my
opinion.  as far as opposition is concered, we got some from the
chronologically challenged members of the team but alas, they were
outnumbered.  my only wish is that jEdit would improve its vi plugin.  then
the circle would really be complete.

-Original Message-
From: Vinh Tran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:31 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)


Wow...that is quite a transition.  I'm curious to know if these changes were
met with alot of opposition?  How long did it take?

Vinh

-Original Message-
From: Pani, Gourav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:51 AM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)


Suddenly my life doesn't look so bad.  :)

When I first started working for my company we were using Websphere
Application Server, Websphere Application Developer, Oracle/DB2 on Unix
servers.
Now we use Struts, Apache, Resin, jEdit, SAPDB/POSTGRESQL/MySQL on Red Hat
Linux.

Not bad.

-Original Message-
From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:45 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)


I wear jeans. (Although I do buy them from the company at a very reasonable
discount)

>-Original Message-
>From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:40 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>So, do you have to pay for your own uniforms, or does the
>company supply
>them?
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2003 22:31
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>Our management (I won't say leadership, for reasons that will
>be obvious to
>experienced IS developers) also have the belief that standardisation is
>good. We are having our J2EE workstations defined to the n'th
>degree and
>they will all be locked down so that you can't change
>anything. You can't
>even change your windows wallpaper!!! Our IDE is defined,
>you'd better like
>it because you can't install anything else. All in the sacred name of
>productivity.
>
>Anyone else out there going through this or have advice to share?
>
>I am planning to bring my personal laptop to work to do any of
>my tinkering
>on. I like to think that my tinkering is helpful to the
>company, but you
>wouldn't think so from these new policies. This past year, I
>have introduced
>to the company's IS environment four new tools that I
>evaluated by tinkering
>with in those downtimes between projects. Specifically, these tools are
>Struts (hey, you know I like Struts! :-), ant, junit and
>Cygwin. The funny
>thing, to me, is that these tools evaluated by tinkering are
>going to be
>part of the new locked down standard! Gotta laugh.
>
>Simon
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Daniel H. F. e Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:39 AM
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: [OT] Eclipse IDE - The Two Towers
>>
>>
>>Hi all,
>> I do appreciate all feedback posted here in this list.
>> Well, i am only executing orders. I don't intend to obligate
>>everybody to adopt my
>>recomendations.
>>My boss wants a standard environment to all developers. So,
>>order is order.
>> I think his concern about this task is to improve
>>productivity. So, what is more productive?
>> Following our discussion, does someone have experience
>>writing Eclipse plugins? How difficult is
>>this kind of task?
>>
>>Best regards,
>> Daniel.
>>
>>
>>
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RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Vinh Tran]

Wow...that is quite a transition.  I'm curious to know if these changes were
met with alot of opposition?  How long did it take?

Vinh

-Original Message-
From: Pani, Gourav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:51 AM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)


Suddenly my life doesn't look so bad.  :)

When I first started working for my company we were using Websphere
Application Server, Websphere Application Developer, Oracle/DB2 on Unix
servers.
Now we use Struts, Apache, Resin, jEdit, SAPDB/POSTGRESQL/MySQL on Red Hat
Linux.

Not bad.

-Original Message-
From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:45 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)


I wear jeans. (Although I do buy them from the company at a very reasonable
discount)

>-Original Message-
>From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:40 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>So, do you have to pay for your own uniforms, or does the
>company supply
>them?
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2003 22:31
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>Our management (I won't say leadership, for reasons that will
>be obvious to
>experienced IS developers) also have the belief that standardisation is
>good. We are having our J2EE workstations defined to the n'th
>degree and
>they will all be locked down so that you can't change
>anything. You can't
>even change your windows wallpaper!!! Our IDE is defined,
>you'd better like
>it because you can't install anything else. All in the sacred name of
>productivity.
>
>Anyone else out there going through this or have advice to share?
>
>I am planning to bring my personal laptop to work to do any of
>my tinkering
>on. I like to think that my tinkering is helpful to the
>company, but you
>wouldn't think so from these new policies. This past year, I
>have introduced
>to the company's IS environment four new tools that I
>evaluated by tinkering
>with in those downtimes between projects. Specifically, these tools are
>Struts (hey, you know I like Struts! :-), ant, junit and
>Cygwin. The funny
>thing, to me, is that these tools evaluated by tinkering are
>going to be
>part of the new locked down standard! Gotta laugh.
>
>Simon
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Daniel H. F. e Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:39 AM
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: [OT] Eclipse IDE - The Two Towers
>>
>>
>>Hi all,
>> I do appreciate all feedback posted here in this list.
>> Well, i am only executing orders. I don't intend to obligate
>>everybody to adopt my
>>recomendations.
>>My boss wants a standard environment to all developers. So,
>>order is order.
>> I think his concern about this task is to improve
>>productivity. So, what is more productive?
>> Following our discussion, does someone have experience
>>writing Eclipse plugins? How difficult is
>>this kind of task?
>>
>>Best regards,
>> Daniel.
>>
>>
>>
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RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Chappell, Simon P]

>-Original Message-
>From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:19 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>That's why you could never work in my office.  It's Winamp or the road.

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RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE]

That's why you could never work in my office.  It's Winamp or the road.

> -Original Message-
> From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:12 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
> 
> 
> I agree, that working in the dark corners churning out 
> working code is the best way to silence management and that's 
> what I try to do. I'm just dispairing about the fact that 
> management think that their actions are necessary.
> 
> I'm a known corporate rebel anyway and I install whatever I 
> want on my machine. Sometimes I get in trouble for it, 
> especially Struts, but then after management has it's 
> screaming fit, they come around to seeing that I was right. 
> Other than being directed by my manager to send out apology 
> emails now and then, it's almost fun.
> 
> BTW: Winamp sucks, try Music Match Jukebox if you use a 
> Windows box, otherwise iTunes rocks! (I love my Mac! :-)
> 
> Simon 
> 
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Pani, Gourav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:04 AM
> >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> >Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] 
> Eclipse IDE)
> >
> >
> >Oh and I forgot to add Ant, Log4J, Cactus and Scarab.  Life is 
> >grand when
> >most people don't have a clue what the hell you are doing.
> >
> >-Original Message-----
> >From: Nicolas De Loof [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:00 AM
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >Subject: Re: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] 
> Eclipse IDE)
> >
> >
> >Waaa !
> >
> >It took us 2 years to come to struts + log4j. I'm trying to 
> >promote tomcat
> >and eclipse as test/development platform... for 2004 ?
> >
> >Perhaps Linux and PostgreSQL in 2020.
> >
> >Nico.
> >
> >> Suddenly my life doesn't look so bad.  :)
> >>
> >> When I first started working for my company we were using Websphere
> >> Application Server, Websphere Application Developer, 
> >Oracle/DB2 on Unix
> >> servers.
> >> Now we use Struts, Apache, Resin, jEdit, 
> >SAPDB/POSTGRESQL/MySQL on Red Hat
> >> Linux.
> >>
> >> Not bad.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:45 AM
> >> To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] 
> >Eclipse IDE)
> >>
> >>
> >> I wear jeans. (Although I do buy them from the company at a very
> >reasonable
> >> discount)
> >>
> >> >-Original Message-
> >> >From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:40 AM
> >> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >> >Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] 
> >Eclipse IDE)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >So, do you have to pay for your own uniforms, or does the
> >> >company supply
> >> >them?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >-Original Message-
> >> >From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> >Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2003 22:31
> >> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >> >Subject: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Our management (I won't say leadership, for reasons that will
> >> >be obvious to
> >> >experienced IS developers) also have the belief that 
> >standardisation is
> >> >good. We are having our J2EE workstations defined to the n'th
> >> >degree and
> >> >they will all be locked down so that you can't change
> >> >anything. You can't
> >> >even change your windows wallpaper!!! Our IDE is defined,
> >> >you'd better like
> >> >it because you can't install anything else. All in the 
> >sacred name of
> >> >productivity.
> >> >
> >> >Anyone else out there going through this or have advice to share?
> >> >
> >> >I am planning to bring my personal laptop to work to do any of
> >> >my tinkering
> >> >on. I like to think that my tinkering is helpful to the
> >> &

RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Chappell, Simon P]

I agree, that working in the dark corners churning out working code is the best way to 
silence management and that's what I try to do. I'm just dispairing about the fact 
that management think that their actions are necessary.

I'm a known corporate rebel anyway and I install whatever I want on my machine. 
Sometimes I get in trouble for it, especially Struts, but then after management has 
it's screaming fit, they come around to seeing that I was right. Other than being 
directed by my manager to send out apology emails now and then, it's almost fun.

BTW: Winamp sucks, try Music Match Jukebox if you use a Windows box, otherwise iTunes 
rocks! (I love my Mac! :-)

Simon 

>-Original Message-
>From: Pani, Gourav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:04 AM
>To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>Oh and I forgot to add Ant, Log4J, Cactus and Scarab.  Life is 
>grand when
>most people don't have a clue what the hell you are doing.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Nicolas De Loof [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:00 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>Waaa !
>
>It took us 2 years to come to struts + log4j. I'm trying to 
>promote tomcat
>and eclipse as test/development platform... for 2004 ?
>
>Perhaps Linux and PostgreSQL in 2020.
>
>Nico.
>
>> Suddenly my life doesn't look so bad.  :)
>>
>> When I first started working for my company we were using Websphere
>> Application Server, Websphere Application Developer, 
>Oracle/DB2 on Unix
>> servers.
>> Now we use Struts, Apache, Resin, jEdit, 
>SAPDB/POSTGRESQL/MySQL on Red Hat
>> Linux.
>>
>> Not bad.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:45 AM
>> To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] 
>Eclipse IDE)
>>
>>
>> I wear jeans. (Although I do buy them from the company at a very
>reasonable
>> discount)
>>
>> >-Original Message-
>> >From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:40 AM
>> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
>> >Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] 
>Eclipse IDE)
>> >
>> >
>> >So, do you have to pay for your own uniforms, or does the
>> >company supply
>> >them?
>> >
>> >
>> >-Original Message-
>> >From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> >Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2003 22:31
>> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
>> >Subject: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>> >
>> >
>> >Our management (I won't say leadership, for reasons that will
>> >be obvious to
>> >experienced IS developers) also have the belief that 
>standardisation is
>> >good. We are having our J2EE workstations defined to the n'th
>> >degree and
>> >they will all be locked down so that you can't change
>> >anything. You can't
>> >even change your windows wallpaper!!! Our IDE is defined,
>> >you'd better like
>> >it because you can't install anything else. All in the 
>sacred name of
>> >productivity.
>> >
>> >Anyone else out there going through this or have advice to share?
>> >
>> >I am planning to bring my personal laptop to work to do any of
>> >my tinkering
>> >on. I like to think that my tinkering is helpful to the
>> >company, but you
>> >wouldn't think so from these new policies. This past year, I
>> >have introduced
>> >to the company's IS environment four new tools that I
>> >evaluated by tinkering
>> >with in those downtimes between projects. Specifically, 
>these tools are
>> >Struts (hey, you know I like Struts! :-), ant, junit and
>> >Cygwin. The funny
>> >thing, to me, is that these tools evaluated by tinkering are
>> >going to be
>> >part of the new locked down standard! Gotta laugh.
>> >
>> >Simon
>> >
>> >>-Original Message-
>> >>From: Daniel H. F. e Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> >>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:39 AM
>> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >>Subject: [OT] Eclipse IDE - The Two 

RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Pani, Gourav]

Oh and I forgot to add Ant, Log4J, Cactus and Scarab.  Life is grand when
most people don't have a clue what the hell you are doing.

-Original Message-
From: Nicolas De Loof [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:00 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)


Waaa !

It took us 2 years to come to struts + log4j. I'm trying to promote tomcat
and eclipse as test/development platform... for 2004 ?

Perhaps Linux and PostgreSQL in 2020.

Nico.

> Suddenly my life doesn't look so bad.  :)
>
> When I first started working for my company we were using Websphere
> Application Server, Websphere Application Developer, Oracle/DB2 on Unix
> servers.
> Now we use Struts, Apache, Resin, jEdit, SAPDB/POSTGRESQL/MySQL on Red Hat
> Linux.
>
> Not bad.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:45 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
> I wear jeans. (Although I do buy them from the company at a very
reasonable
> discount)
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:40 AM
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
> >
> >
> >So, do you have to pay for your own uniforms, or does the
> >company supply
> >them?
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2003 22:31
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >Subject: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
> >
> >
> >Our management (I won't say leadership, for reasons that will
> >be obvious to
> >experienced IS developers) also have the belief that standardisation is
> >good. We are having our J2EE workstations defined to the n'th
> >degree and
> >they will all be locked down so that you can't change
> >anything. You can't
> >even change your windows wallpaper!!! Our IDE is defined,
> >you'd better like
> >it because you can't install anything else. All in the sacred name of
> >productivity.
> >
> >Anyone else out there going through this or have advice to share?
> >
> >I am planning to bring my personal laptop to work to do any of
> >my tinkering
> >on. I like to think that my tinkering is helpful to the
> >company, but you
> >wouldn't think so from these new policies. This past year, I
> >have introduced
> >to the company's IS environment four new tools that I
> >evaluated by tinkering
> >with in those downtimes between projects. Specifically, these tools are
> >Struts (hey, you know I like Struts! :-), ant, junit and
> >Cygwin. The funny
> >thing, to me, is that these tools evaluated by tinkering are
> >going to be
> >part of the new locked down standard! Gotta laugh.
> >
> >Simon
> >
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Daniel H. F. e Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:39 AM
> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Subject: [OT] Eclipse IDE - The Two Towers
> >>
> >>
> >>Hi all,
> >> I do appreciate all feedback posted here in this list.
> >> Well, i am only executing orders. I don't intend to obligate
> >>everybody to adopt my
> >>recomendations.
> >>My boss wants a standard environment to all developers. So,
> >>order is order.
> >> I think his concern about this task is to improve
> >>productivity. So, what is more productive?
> >> Following our discussion, does someone have experience
> >>writing Eclipse plugins? How difficult is
> >>this kind of task?
> >>
> >>Best regards,
> >> Daniel.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Nicolas De Loof]

Waaa !

It took us 2 years to come to struts + log4j. I'm trying to promote tomcat
and eclipse as test/development platform... for 2004 ?

Perhaps Linux and PostgreSQL in 2020.

Nico.

> Suddenly my life doesn't look so bad.  :)
>
> When I first started working for my company we were using Websphere
> Application Server, Websphere Application Developer, Oracle/DB2 on Unix
> servers.
> Now we use Struts, Apache, Resin, jEdit, SAPDB/POSTGRESQL/MySQL on Red Hat
> Linux.
>
> Not bad.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:45 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
> I wear jeans. (Although I do buy them from the company at a very
reasonable
> discount)
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:40 AM
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
> >
> >
> >So, do you have to pay for your own uniforms, or does the
> >company supply
> >them?
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-----
> >From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2003 22:31
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >Subject: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
> >
> >
> >Our management (I won't say leadership, for reasons that will
> >be obvious to
> >experienced IS developers) also have the belief that standardisation is
> >good. We are having our J2EE workstations defined to the n'th
> >degree and
> >they will all be locked down so that you can't change
> >anything. You can't
> >even change your windows wallpaper!!! Our IDE is defined,
> >you'd better like
> >it because you can't install anything else. All in the sacred name of
> >productivity.
> >
> >Anyone else out there going through this or have advice to share?
> >
> >I am planning to bring my personal laptop to work to do any of
> >my tinkering
> >on. I like to think that my tinkering is helpful to the
> >company, but you
> >wouldn't think so from these new policies. This past year, I
> >have introduced
> >to the company's IS environment four new tools that I
> >evaluated by tinkering
> >with in those downtimes between projects. Specifically, these tools are
> >Struts (hey, you know I like Struts! :-), ant, junit and
> >Cygwin. The funny
> >thing, to me, is that these tools evaluated by tinkering are
> >going to be
> >part of the new locked down standard! Gotta laugh.
> >
> >Simon
> >
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Daniel H. F. e Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:39 AM
> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Subject: [OT] Eclipse IDE - The Two Towers
> >>
> >>
> >>Hi all,
> >> I do appreciate all feedback posted here in this list.
> >> Well, i am only executing orders. I don't intend to obligate
> >>everybody to adopt my
> >>recomendations.
> >>My boss wants a standard environment to all developers. So,
> >>order is order.
> >> I think his concern about this task is to improve
> >>productivity. So, what is more productive?
> >> Following our discussion, does someone have experience
> >>writing Eclipse plugins? How difficult is
> >>this kind of task?
> >>
> >>Best regards,
> >> Daniel.
> >>
> >>
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RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE]

Similar things going on where I am at.  It's to be expected when you work for the 
military. :)  (I work with highly insensitive materials, however at night I'm a secret 
agent.  The two aren't related.)

It's mostly a lot of talk though.  "You will use that and you will not use anything 
else."  It never holds up because the bottom line is that the work needs to get done.  

It's such a pain to get commercial software (still waiting on IDEA), the free stuff is 
a no-brainer, go download it.  I'm using netbeans, ant, tomcat, struts, junit, etc, 
even though none of these products have been "blessed", they are all kicking a lot of 
ass.

Standards are important, but not so much that you have to cram them down everyone's 
throats.  Standardized methodologies, i.e., these are our techniques for analysing and 
designing, and we use versioning control and we test our code, are much more valuable 
than forcing developers to use a particular toolset.  At one time their was talk of us 
being told we have to use JDeveloper.  What a nightmare that would have been.

However, I draw the line at what MP3 player people use.  In my office, it's Winamp, or 
no music, no debate.

L8r,

Dave


> -Original Message-
> From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:31 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
> 
> 
> Our management (I won't say leadership, for reasons that will 
> be obvious to experienced IS developers) also have the belief 
> that standardisation is good. We are having our J2EE 
> workstations defined to the n'th degree and they will all be 
> locked down so that you can't change anything. You can't even 
> change your windows wallpaper!!! Our IDE is defined, you'd 
> better like it because you can't install anything else. All 
> in the sacred name of productivity.
> 
> Anyone else out there going through this or have advice to share?
> 
> I am planning to bring my personal laptop to work to do any 
> of my tinkering on. I like to think that my tinkering is 
> helpful to the company, but you wouldn't think so from these 
> new policies. This past year, I have introduced to the 
> company's IS environment four new tools that I evaluated by 
> tinkering with in those downtimes between projects. 
> Specifically, these tools are Struts (hey, you know I like 
> Struts! :-), ant, junit and Cygwin. The funny thing, to me, 
> is that these tools evaluated by tinkering are going to be 
> part of the new locked down standard! Gotta laugh.
> 
> Simon
> 
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Daniel H. F. e Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:39 AM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: [OT] Eclipse IDE - The Two Towers
> >
> >
> >Hi all,
> > I do appreciate all feedback posted here in this list.
> > Well, i am only executing orders. I don't intend to obligate 
> >everybody to adopt my
> >recomendations.
> >My boss wants a standard environment to all developers. So, 
> >order is order.
> > I think his concern about this task is to improve 
> >productivity. So, what is more productive?
> > Following our discussion, does someone have experience 
> >writing Eclipse plugins? How difficult is
> >this kind of task?
> >
> >Best regards,
> > Daniel.
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RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Kevin . Bedell]

Here is a pointer to an intensive management training program that may work
for them:

http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/the_characters/index.html#boss




   
   
   
   
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-Original Message-
From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2003 22:31
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)


Our management (I won't say leadership, for reasons that will be obvious to
experienced IS developers) also have the belief that standardisation is
good. We are having our J2EE workstations defined to the n'th degree and
they will all be locked down so that you can't change anything. You can't
even change your windows wallpaper!!! Our IDE is defined, you'd better like
it because you can't install anything else. All in the sacred name of
productivity.

Anyone else out there going through this or have advice to share?

I am planning to bring my personal laptop to work to do any of my tinkering
on. I like to think that my tinkering is helpful to the company, but you
wouldn't think so from these new policies. This past year, I have
introduced
to the company's IS environment four new tools that I evaluated by
tinkering
with in those downtimes between projects. Specifically, these tools are
Struts (hey, you know I like Struts! :-), ant, junit and Cygwin. The funny
thing, to me, is that these tools evaluated by tinkering are going to be
part of the new locked down standard! Gotta laugh.

Simon

>-Original Message-
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>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:39 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [OT] Eclipse IDE - The Two Towers
>
>
>Hi all,
> I do appreciate all feedback posted here in this list.
> Well, i am only executing orders. I don't intend to obligate
>everybody to adopt my
>recomendations.
>My boss wants a standard environment to all developers. So,
>order is order.
> I think his concern about this task is to improve
>productivity. So, what is more productive?
> Following our discussion, does someone have experience
>writing Eclipse plugins? How difficult is
>this kind of task?
>
>Best regards,
> Daniel.
>
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RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Pani, Gourav]

Suddenly my life doesn't look so bad.  :)  

When I first started working for my company we were using Websphere
Application Server, Websphere Application Developer, Oracle/DB2 on Unix
servers.  
Now we use Struts, Apache, Resin, jEdit, SAPDB/POSTGRESQL/MySQL on Red Hat
Linux.  

Not bad.

-Original Message-
From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:45 AM
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Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)


I wear jeans. (Although I do buy them from the company at a very reasonable
discount)

>-Original Message-
>From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:40 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>So, do you have to pay for your own uniforms, or does the 
>company supply
>them?
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2003 22:31
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>Our management (I won't say leadership, for reasons that will 
>be obvious to
>experienced IS developers) also have the belief that standardisation is
>good. We are having our J2EE workstations defined to the n'th 
>degree and
>they will all be locked down so that you can't change 
>anything. You can't
>even change your windows wallpaper!!! Our IDE is defined, 
>you'd better like
>it because you can't install anything else. All in the sacred name of
>productivity.
>
>Anyone else out there going through this or have advice to share?
>
>I am planning to bring my personal laptop to work to do any of 
>my tinkering
>on. I like to think that my tinkering is helpful to the 
>company, but you
>wouldn't think so from these new policies. This past year, I 
>have introduced
>to the company's IS environment four new tools that I 
>evaluated by tinkering
>with in those downtimes between projects. Specifically, these tools are
>Struts (hey, you know I like Struts! :-), ant, junit and 
>Cygwin. The funny
>thing, to me, is that these tools evaluated by tinkering are 
>going to be
>part of the new locked down standard! Gotta laugh.
>
>Simon
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Daniel H. F. e Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:39 AM
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: [OT] Eclipse IDE - The Two Towers
>>
>>
>>Hi all,
>> I do appreciate all feedback posted here in this list.
>> Well, i am only executing orders. I don't intend to obligate
>>everybody to adopt my
>>recomendations.
>>My boss wants a standard environment to all developers. So,
>>order is order.
>> I think his concern about this task is to improve
>>productivity. So, what is more productive?
>> Following our discussion, does someone have experience
>>writing Eclipse plugins? How difficult is
>>this kind of task?
>>
>>Best regards,
>> Daniel.
>>
>>
>>
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RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Chappell, Simon P]

I wear jeans. (Although I do buy them from the company at a very reasonable discount)

>-Original Message-
>From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:40 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>So, do you have to pay for your own uniforms, or does the 
>company supply
>them?
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2003 22:31
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)
>
>
>Our management (I won't say leadership, for reasons that will 
>be obvious to
>experienced IS developers) also have the belief that standardisation is
>good. We are having our J2EE workstations defined to the n'th 
>degree and
>they will all be locked down so that you can't change 
>anything. You can't
>even change your windows wallpaper!!! Our IDE is defined, 
>you'd better like
>it because you can't install anything else. All in the sacred name of
>productivity.
>
>Anyone else out there going through this or have advice to share?
>
>I am planning to bring my personal laptop to work to do any of 
>my tinkering
>on. I like to think that my tinkering is helpful to the 
>company, but you
>wouldn't think so from these new policies. This past year, I 
>have introduced
>to the company's IS environment four new tools that I 
>evaluated by tinkering
>with in those downtimes between projects. Specifically, these tools are
>Struts (hey, you know I like Struts! :-), ant, junit and 
>Cygwin. The funny
>thing, to me, is that these tools evaluated by tinkering are 
>going to be
>part of the new locked down standard! Gotta laugh.
>
>Simon
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Daniel H. F. e Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:39 AM
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: [OT] Eclipse IDE - The Two Towers
>>
>>
>>Hi all,
>> I do appreciate all feedback posted here in this list.
>> Well, i am only executing orders. I don't intend to obligate
>>everybody to adopt my
>>recomendations.
>>My boss wants a standard environment to all developers. So,
>>order is order.
>> I think his concern about this task is to improve
>>productivity. So, what is more productive?
>> Following our discussion, does someone have experience
>>writing Eclipse plugins? How difficult is
>>this kind of task?
>>
>>Best regards,
>> Daniel.
>>
>>
>>
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RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Andrew Hill]

So, do you have to pay for your own uniforms, or does the company supply
them?


-Original Message-
From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2003 22:31
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)


Our management (I won't say leadership, for reasons that will be obvious to
experienced IS developers) also have the belief that standardisation is
good. We are having our J2EE workstations defined to the n'th degree and
they will all be locked down so that you can't change anything. You can't
even change your windows wallpaper!!! Our IDE is defined, you'd better like
it because you can't install anything else. All in the sacred name of
productivity.

Anyone else out there going through this or have advice to share?

I am planning to bring my personal laptop to work to do any of my tinkering
on. I like to think that my tinkering is helpful to the company, but you
wouldn't think so from these new policies. This past year, I have introduced
to the company's IS environment four new tools that I evaluated by tinkering
with in those downtimes between projects. Specifically, these tools are
Struts (hey, you know I like Struts! :-), ant, junit and Cygwin. The funny
thing, to me, is that these tools evaluated by tinkering are going to be
part of the new locked down standard! Gotta laugh.

Simon

>-Original Message-
>From: Daniel H. F. e Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:39 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [OT] Eclipse IDE - The Two Towers
>
>
>Hi all,
> I do appreciate all feedback posted here in this list.
> Well, i am only executing orders. I don't intend to obligate
>everybody to adopt my
>recomendations.
>My boss wants a standard environment to all developers. So,
>order is order.
> I think his concern about this task is to improve
>productivity. So, what is more productive?
> Following our discussion, does someone have experience
>writing Eclipse plugins? How difficult is
>this kind of task?
>
>Best regards,
> Daniel.
>
>
>
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[OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE)

[Chappell, Simon P]

Our management (I won't say leadership, for reasons that will be obvious to 
experienced IS developers) also have the belief that standardisation is good. We are 
having our J2EE workstations defined to the n'th degree and they will all be locked 
down so that you can't change anything. You can't even change your windows 
wallpaper!!! Our IDE is defined, you'd better like it because you can't install 
anything else. All in the sacred name of productivity.

Anyone else out there going through this or have advice to share?

I am planning to bring my personal laptop to work to do any of my tinkering on. I like 
to think that my tinkering is helpful to the company, but you wouldn't think so from 
these new policies. This past year, I have introduced to the company's IS environment 
four new tools that I evaluated by tinkering with in those downtimes between projects. 
Specifically, these tools are Struts (hey, you know I like Struts! :-), ant, junit and 
Cygwin. The funny thing, to me, is that these tools evaluated by tinkering are going 
to be part of the new locked down standard! Gotta laugh.

Simon

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>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:39 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [OT] Eclipse IDE - The Two Towers
>
>
>Hi all,
> I do appreciate all feedback posted here in this list.
> Well, i am only executing orders. I don't intend to obligate 
>everybody to adopt my
>recomendations.
>My boss wants a standard environment to all developers. So, 
>order is order.
> I think his concern about this task is to improve 
>productivity. So, what is more productive?
> Following our discussion, does someone have experience 
>writing Eclipse plugins? How difficult is
>this kind of task?
>
>Best regards,
> Daniel.
> 
>
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