RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
I don't know how IBM licenses WebSphere, but when we were faced with this problem we decided to go with BEA's WebLogic because BEA gave us great discounts for instances running on our own workstations, which created a development environment like you describe with Tomcat. Perhaps you should have shopped around before chaining yourselves to Big Blue? Mark -Original Message- From: Ashish Kulkarni [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:33 AM This question is related to how to share one instance of application server, We used to use tomcat for our web development, so it was easy all the developers had tomcat on there machine, and then they can check out the source from VSS, modify test it on there machine and put it back, And one fine day we would freee the code and test it together and release it, But now we are moving to websphere, and it is not possible to have each one one copy to play with on his machine So if i want to restart the server, it will affect others, even if i modify one class it will affect others So does anyone has this kind of siutation and how do u people deal with it Ashish - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE:[OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
I concur. I've been using Resin on my servlets.net account for 6 months and many argue it is the best app server available at a very reasonable price. The online documentation at Caucho is excellent, too. Mark -Original Message- From: Pani, Gourav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:46 AM If you want to look at another cheap, easily configurable and extremely efficient application server solution, you might want to consider Resin from Caucho (http://www.caucho.com). We have been using it for over a year now and it is incredibly useful to use in a multi-user environment. Additionally, we used to use WebSphere Application Server before and this change has been a blessing for all of us. -Original Message- From: Duane Morin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:42 AM On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Ashish Kulkarni wrote: > But now we are moving to websphere, and it is not > possible to have each one one copy to play with on his machine Honestly? Now is a good time to point out to your bosses the benefits of Tomcat for exactly this reason -- cost. Remind them that they use to have an environment where every developer could code and test (don't forget test!) independently at no cost to the project, but if you want to keep productivity up, they would have to shell out for developer licenses of websphere. Seriously. This is a problem that affects a huge number of development groups these days, and it's whats causing lots of people to look at Tomcat. If you're writing good J2EE code then you should be able to demonstrate that something written on Tomcat ports almost invisibly to websphere. If they're not prepared to let every developer have a server, be prepared to have your productivity crushed as you all step on each other's toes on a regular basis. There's no reason why you should tolerate such a bad situation, especially since you *know* how much better it was when everybody had their own. Sometimes you can't just go along with management, sometimes you have to fight back a little bit. Duane - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
>-Original Message- >From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 9:42 AM >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for >development > > >I don't know how IBM licenses WebSphere, but when we were >faced with this >problem we decided to go with BEA's WebLogic because BEA gave us great >discounts for instances running on our own workstations, which >created a >development environment like you describe with Tomcat. >Perhaps you should >have shopped around before chaining yourselves to Big Blue? If only it were that simple. Some of us get WAS handed down to us from a being so far up the corporate ladder that it still has frost on it. This same breather of rarified air, then also decides that once you're using WAS, you should naturally use WSAD for your IDE. Oh ... and they're going to lock down workstations, so that you can't install free stuff on there to use instead. Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at home, it will not be required at the office. >Mark Simon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
That sucks! I would have to be desperate to work in such an environment! -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:57 AM If only it were that simple. Some of us get WAS handed down to us from a being so far up the corporate ladder that it still has frost on it. This same breather of rarified air, then also decides that once you're using WAS, you should naturally use WSAD for your IDE. Oh ... and they're going to lock down workstations, so that you can't install free stuff on there to use instead. Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at home, it will not be required at the office. Simon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Chappell, Simon P wrote: > If only it were that simple. Some of us get WAS handed down to us from a > being so far up the corporate ladder that it still has frost on it. This > same breather of rarified air, then also decides that once you're using > WAS, you should naturally use WSAD for your IDE. Oh ... and they're > going to lock down workstations, so that you can't install free stuff on > there to use instead. This is where patience comes in handy. If you're very lucky, and if there's any hope at all for your corporation, somebody in the chain is going to read enough about "open source saves money" to want to be the one to be seen as the money saving guy. And there's your opportunity to volunteer. I recently found an email I sent in June 99 that said my team (created in mid98) should consider the use of more open source, up to and including the app server. It never really took off, although I did develop a reputation as the local zealot. Late last year a boss's boss wondered aloud, "If I'm charged with saving this department money, am I missing something by not trying Tomcat?" and there ya go, I was all over it. One of the tricks is *not* to keep saying "Our current environment sucks." because then you sound whiny. Its when you have a legit argument to make that people are more likely to listen. Do you have a laptop? Put Tomcat on that, do some work from home, and when people begin to realize that you're outstripping your coworkers in productivity say very nonchalantly that you're doing it all on your personal installation of Tomcat. That, in turn, might get other developers to do it as well, which in turn might get your boss to put more pressure on the big guys upstairs to bless it. Duane > > Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at home, it will not be >required at the office. > > >Mark > > > > Simon > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
You can't share the same instance between developers. No sane person would require that. I develop on Tomcat and use Websphere in production. This is probably what your team should do but it gets more complicated if you're using EJBs and you use JBoss instead. David This question is related to how to share one instance of application server, We used to use tomcat for our web development, so it was easy all the developers had tomcat on there machine, and then they can check out the source from VSS, modify test it on there machine and put it back, And one fine day we would freee the code and test it together and release it, But now we are moving to websphere, and it is not possible to have each one one copy to play with on his machine So if i want to restart the server, it will affect others, even if i modify one class it will affect others So does anyone has this kind of siutation and how do u people deal with it Ashish _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
Mark goes incognito for a few days and Simon is silent during that period as well. Now Mark perks up and so does Simon. Hmm Maybe they are in some kinda league Maybe its Dr Evil and Austin Maybe it is one and the same person Maybe it's some kind of conspiracy Maybe I should stop sniffing glue > -Original Message- > From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:03 AM > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one > server for development > > > That sucks! I would have to be desperate to work in such an > environment! > > -Original Message- > From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:57 AM > > If only it were that simple. Some of us get WAS handed down > to us from a being so far up the corporate ladder that it > still has frost on it. This same breather of rarified air, > then also decides that once you're using WAS, you should > naturally use WSAD for your IDE. Oh ... and they're going to > lock down workstations, so that you can't install free stuff > on there to use instead. > > Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at > home, it will not be required at the office. > > Simon > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
As discussed in previous conversations, I am here for geographical/religious reasons and my employer is where you work if you're a programmer in this town. Many aspects of the company are good, but once in a while the stuff flowing downhill is crazier than usual. >-Original Message- >From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:03 AM >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for >development > > >That sucks! I would have to be desperate to work in such an >environment! > >-Original Message- >From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:57 AM > >If only it were that simple. Some of us get WAS handed down to >us from a >being so far up the corporate ladder that it still has frost >on it. This >same breather of rarified air, then also decides that once >you're using WAS, >you should naturally use WSAD for your IDE. Oh ... and they're >going to lock >down workstations, so that you can't install free stuff on there to use >instead. > >Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at >home, it will >not be required at the office. > >Simon > > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
Actually, you can share one instance between developers. I was at a place that did. It was kind of insane, but it worked in a 'using a spoon to dig a trench' sort of way. If you can hot deploy ejbs and jsps then you can. I do not recommend this. Just saying it is 'possible'. Boy, I hope some pointy haired manager isn't reading this. Actually, now that I think of it, this is more common than most would admin. Many places have J2EE admin types that administer a server or servers for a group of developers. This can relieve them from J2EE admin tasks. I still think they should have a desktop setup, but I can see this scenario. Where I work now, I'm the J2EE guru so I put most of the 'yucky' setup stuff in CVS and deploy it where needed on the ant build. The developers dont need to know anything about weblogic other than starting up the script that the build copies (along with a lot of other junk) and the shmem name to attach their IDE to for debugging. I think the last scenario, the one we're doing here, is the best. It has the app server on the developer's machine but the developer doesn't have to worry about all the cumbersome admin stuff. Michael Lee - Original Message - From: "David Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:10 AM Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development > You can't share the same instance between developers. No sane person would > require that. I develop on Tomcat and use Websphere in production. This is > probably what your team should do but it gets more complicated if you're > using EJBs and you use JBoss instead. > > David > > >This question is related to how to share one instance > >of application server, We used to use tomcat for our > >web development, so it was easy all the developers had > >tomcat on there machine, and then they can check out > >the source from VSS, modify test it on there machine > >and put it back, > >And one fine day we would freee the code and test it > >together and release it, > >But now we are moving to websphere, and it is not > >possible to have each one one copy to play with on his > >machine > >So if i want to restart the server, it will affect > >others, even if i modify one class it will affect > >others > >So does anyone has this kind of siutation and how do u > >people deal with it > >Ashish > > > _ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
>One of the tricks is *not* to keep saying "Our current >environment sucks." >because then you sound whiny. Its when you have a legit I don't complain much anymore, but when asked I am very honest in my opinion on it. >argument to make >that people are more likely to listen. Do you have a laptop? >Put Tomcat >on that, do some work from home, and when people begin to realize that >you're outstripping your coworkers in productivity say very >nonchalantly >that you're doing it all on your personal installation of >Tomcat. That, >in turn, might get other developers to do it as well, which in >turn might >get your boss to put more pressure on the big guys upstairs to >bless it. Great minds think alike. I'm already doing this. :-) Once I learned that the lockdown was coming, I fired up my laptop and configured a development environment on it. I'm now moving the non-standard software off my machine (all open source, so no risk from the BSA :-) and working it on my laptop. Kind of a shame when you can be more productive on a P266 than a P4 2GHz! Oh well. >Duane Simon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
I'm sorry, I have to repond to this communist drivel. "Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at home, it will not be required at the office." No, that is your company...Landsend by the looks of it. And last I looked, Corporate America had more innovations per capita than Cuba or other similiar 'non-Corporate' countries. Landsend, and most other countries, want to make a profit. That is a motivating factor to innovate. Michael Lee - Original Message - From: "Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:17 AM Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development As discussed in previous conversations, I am here for geographical/religious reasons and my employer is where you work if you're a programmer in this town. Many aspects of the company are good, but once in a while the stuff flowing downhill is crazier than usual. >-Original Message- >From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:03 AM >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for >development > > >That sucks! I would have to be desperate to work in such an >environment! > >-Original Message- >From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:57 AM > >If only it were that simple. Some of us get WAS handed down to >us from a >being so far up the corporate ladder that it still has frost >on it. This >same breather of rarified air, then also decides that once >you're using WAS, >you should naturally use WSAD for your IDE. Oh ... and they're >going to lock >down workstations, so that you can't install free stuff on there to use >instead. > >Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at >home, it will >not be required at the office. > >Simon > > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Good theory. I'm going to add fuel to the fire by not denying it! ;-) Now do I sign myself "Simon Galbreath" or "Mark Chappell"? >-Original Message- >From: Sri Sankaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:13 AM >To: Struts Users Mailing List >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for >development > > >Mark goes incognito for a few days and Simon is silent during >that period as well. > >Now Mark perks up and so does Simon. > >Hmm >Maybe they are in some kinda league >Maybe its Dr Evil and Austin >Maybe it is one and the same person >Maybe it's some kind of conspiracy >Maybe I should stop sniffing glue > > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:03 AM >> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' >> Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one >> server for development >> >> >> That sucks! I would have to be desperate to work in such an >> environment! >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:57 AM >> >> If only it were that simple. Some of us get WAS handed down >> to us from a being so far up the corporate ladder that it >> still has frost on it. This same breather of rarified air, >> then also decides that once you're using WAS, you should >> naturally use WSAD for your IDE. Oh ... and they're going to >> lock down workstations, so that you can't install free stuff >> on there to use instead. >> >> Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at >> home, it will not be required at the office. >> >> Simon >> >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
bruhahahaha I was sick for a week from a really bad cold I caught in Omaha. Now I'm back in Baltimore and it's snowing its ass off! National Weather Services has issued a winter storm warning, expecting 6-8 inches within the next 24 hours. Then we get to do it all over again on Monday and Tuesday. And the highs for the next week will hover around freezing with night temps in the teens. Glad I'm home and have a fireplace (though I may have to take tomorrow off and go snow boarding)! Sniffing glue? Why aren't you sharing??? -Original Message- From: Sri Sankaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:13 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development Mark goes incognito for a few days and Simon is silent during that period as well. Now Mark perks up and so does Simon. Hmm Maybe they are in some kinda league Maybe its Dr Evil and Austin Maybe it is one and the same person Maybe it's some kind of conspiracy Maybe I should stop sniffing glue > -Original Message- > From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:03 AM > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one > server for development > > > That sucks! I would have to be desperate to work in such an > environment! > > -Original Message- > From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:57 AM > > If only it were that simple. Some of us get WAS handed down > to us from a being so far up the corporate ladder that it > still has frost on it. This same breather of rarified air, > then also decides that once you're using WAS, you should > naturally use WSAD for your IDE. Oh ... and they're going to > lock down workstations, so that you can't install free stuff > on there to use instead. > > Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at > home, it will not be required at the office. > > Simon > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
Wasn't it Mark Chappel who shot John Lennon??? -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:25 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development Good theory. I'm going to add fuel to the fire by not denying it! ;-) Now do I sign myself "Simon Galbreath" or "Mark Chappell"? >-Original Message- >From: Sri Sankaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:13 AM >To: Struts Users Mailing List >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for >development > > >Mark goes incognito for a few days and Simon is silent during >that period as well. > >Now Mark perks up and so does Simon. > >Hmm >Maybe they are in some kinda league >Maybe its Dr Evil and Austin >Maybe it is one and the same person >Maybe it's some kind of conspiracy >Maybe I should stop sniffing glue > > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:03 AM >> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' >> Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one >> server for development >> >> >> That sucks! I would have to be desperate to work in such an >> environment! >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:57 AM >> >> If only it were that simple. Some of us get WAS handed down >> to us from a being so far up the corporate ladder that it >> still has frost on it. This same breather of rarified air, >> then also decides that once you're using WAS, you should >> naturally use WSAD for your IDE. Oh ... and they're going to >> lock down workstations, so that you can't install free stuff >> on there to use instead. >> >> Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at >> home, it will not be required at the office. >> >> Simon >> >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Cool. I've never been called a communist before. This highly amusing to me. I would argue that most real innovation does not come out of corporate america. Most real innovation comes from individuals and small organisations. Large corporations grow through milking the payoff from the original innovation. There are exceptions, but even companies like IBM and 3M deliberately create skunkworks where their main innovations come from. Simon >-Original Message- >From: Michael C. Lee Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:21 AM >To: Struts Users Mailing List >Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for >development > > >I'm sorry, I have to repond to this communist drivel. > >"Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at >home, it will >not be required at the office." >No, that is your company...Landsend by the looks of it. >And last I looked, Corporate America had more innovations per >capita than >Cuba or other similiar 'non-Corporate' countries. Landsend, >and most other >countries, want to make a profit. That is a motivating factor >to innovate. >Michael Lee > > >- Original Message - >From: "Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:17 AM >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for >development > > >As discussed in previous conversations, I am here for >geographical/religious >reasons and my employer is where you work if you're a >programmer in this >town. Many aspects of the company are good, but once in a >while the stuff >flowing downhill is crazier than usual. > >>-Original Message----- >>From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:03 AM >>To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' >>Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for >>development >> >> >>That sucks! I would have to be desperate to work in such an >>environment! >> >>-Original Message- >>From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:57 AM >> >>If only it were that simple. Some of us get WAS handed down to >>us from a >>being so far up the corporate ladder that it still has frost >>on it. This >>same breather of rarified air, then also decides that once >>you're using WAS, >>you should naturally use WSAD for your IDE. Oh ... and they're >>going to lock >>down workstations, so that you can't install free stuff on >there to use >>instead. >> >>Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at >>home, it will >>not be required at the office. >> >>Simon >> >> >> >>- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Mark Chapmanclose enough > -Original Message- > From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:35 AM > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one > server for development > > > Wasn't it Mark Chappel who shot John Lennon??? > > -Original Message- > From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:25 AM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one > server for development > > > Good theory. I'm going to add fuel to the fire by not denying it! ;-) > > Now do I sign myself "Simon Galbreath" or "Mark Chappell"? > > >-Original Message- > >From: Sri Sankaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:13 AM > >To: Struts Users Mailing List > >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > >development > > > > > >Mark goes incognito for a few days and Simon is silent during that > >period as well. > > > >Now Mark perks up and so does Simon. > > > >Hmm > >Maybe they are in some kinda league > >Maybe its Dr Evil and Austin > >Maybe it is one and the same person > >Maybe it's some kind of conspiracy > >Maybe I should stop sniffing glue > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message- > >> From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:03 AM > >> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > >> Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one > >> server for development > >> > >> > >> That sucks! I would have to be desperate to work in such an > >> environment! > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:57 AM > >> > >> If only it were that simple. Some of us get WAS handed down to us > >> from a being so far up the corporate ladder that it still > has frost > >> on it. This same breather of rarified air, then also decides that > >> once you're using WAS, you should naturally use WSAD for > your IDE. Oh > >> ... and they're going to lock down workstations, so that you can't > >> install free stuff on there to use instead. > >> > >> Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation > at home, > >> it will not be required at the office. > >> > >> Simon > >> > >> > >> > >> > - > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> There are exceptions, but even companies like IBM and 3M > deliberately create skunkworks where their main innovations come from. > Skunkworks, eh? I guess that's why their products stink. ;) > Simon Sri - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That is way too simplistic, dude. Creativity is the catalyst for innovation. Stifle developers' ability to be creative and you lose innovation. American innovation have been so great over the centuries because business owners realized the value in R&D and being the first to patent a new innovation. That's what drove productivity and profits from the invention of the power loom to the cotton gin, interchangeable parts, Taylorism (scientific management), robotics, and software. What Simon is talking about are companies (or divisions) run by short-sighted people interested more often than not with their immediate personal welfare and/or the blind enforcement of a theoretical policy. Even a fascist pig like Hitler was responsible for the most innovative advances in weaponry in a 100 years not because he dictated policy, but because he gave his scientists freedom to innovate. Mark -Original Message- From: Michael C. Lee Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:21 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development I'm sorry, I have to repond to this communist drivel. "Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at home, it will not be required at the office." No, that is your company...Landsend by the looks of it. And last I looked, Corporate America had more innovations per capita than Cuba or other similiar 'non-Corporate' countries. Landsend, and most other countries, want to make a profit. That is a motivating factor to innovate. Michael Lee - Original Message - From: "Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:17 AM Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development As discussed in previous conversations, I am here for geographical/religious reasons and my employer is where you work if you're a programmer in this town. Many aspects of the company are good, but once in a while the stuff flowing downhill is crazier than usual. >-Original Message- >From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:03 AM >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for >development > > >That sucks! I would have to be desperate to work in such an >environment! > >-Original Message- >From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:57 AM > >If only it were that simple. Some of us get WAS handed down to us from >a being so far up the corporate ladder that it still has frost >on it. This >same breather of rarified air, then also decides that once >you're using WAS, >you should naturally use WSAD for your IDE. Oh ... and they're >going to lock >down workstations, so that you can't install free stuff on there to use >instead. > >Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at home, it >will not be required at the office. > >Simon > > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Now we're onto Hitler? This is way too off topic even for posts designated [OT]. David From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:44:27 -0500 That is way too simplistic, dude. Creativity is the catalyst for innovation. Stifle developers' ability to be creative and you lose innovation. American innovation have been so great over the centuries because business owners realized the value in R&D and being the first to patent a new innovation. That's what drove productivity and profits from the invention of the power loom to the cotton gin, interchangeable parts, Taylorism (scientific management), robotics, and software. What Simon is talking about are companies (or divisions) run by short-sighted people interested more often than not with their immediate personal welfare and/or the blind enforcement of a theoretical policy. Even a fascist pig like Hitler was responsible for the most innovative advances in weaponry in a 100 years not because he dictated policy, but because he gave his scientists freedom to innovate. Mark -Original Message- From: Michael C. Lee Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:21 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development I'm sorry, I have to repond to this communist drivel. "Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at home, it will not be required at the office." No, that is your company...Landsend by the looks of it. And last I looked, Corporate America had more innovations per capita than Cuba or other similiar 'non-Corporate' countries. Landsend, and most other countries, want to make a profit. That is a motivating factor to innovate. Michael Lee - Original Message - From: "Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:17 AM Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development As discussed in previous conversations, I am here for geographical/religious reasons and my employer is where you work if you're a programmer in this town. Many aspects of the company are good, but once in a while the stuff flowing downhill is crazier than usual. >-Original Message----- >From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:03 AM >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for >development > > >That sucks! I would have to be desperate to work in such an >environment! > >-Original Message- >From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:57 AM > >If only it were that simple. Some of us get WAS handed down to us from >a being so far up the corporate ladder that it still has frost >on it. This >same breather of rarified air, then also decides that once >you're using WAS, >you should naturally use WSAD for your IDE. Oh ... and they're >going to lock >down workstations, so that you can't install free stuff on there to use >instead. > >Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at home, it >will not be required at the office. > >Simon > > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You read into it what you will, but the topic was software innovation in corporate America. I was making an extreme point. If this offends you, perhaps you take yourself too seriously. Mark -Original Message- From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development Now we're onto Hitler? This is way too off topic even for posts designated [OT]. David >From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for >development >Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:44:27 -0500 > > >That is way too simplistic, dude. Creativity is the catalyst for >innovation. Stifle developers' ability to be creative and you lose >innovation. American innovation have been so great over the centuries >because business owners realized the value in R&D and being the first >to patent a new innovation. That's what drove productivity and profits >from the invention of the power loom to the cotton gin, interchangeable >parts, Taylorism (scientific management), robotics, and software. What >Simon is talking about are companies (or divisions) run by >short-sighted people interested more often than not with their >immediate personal welfare and/or the blind enforcement of a >theoretical policy. Even a fascist pig like Hitler was responsible for >the most innovative advances in weaponry in a 100 years not because he >dictated policy, but because he gave his scientists freedom to >innovate. > >Mark > >-Original Message----- >From: Michael C. Lee Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:21 AM >To: Struts Users Mailing List >Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for >development > > >I'm sorry, I have to repond to this communist drivel. > >"Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at home, it >will >not be required at the office." No, that is your company...Landsend by the >looks of it. And last I looked, Corporate America had more innovations per >capita than Cuba or other similiar 'non-Corporate' countries. Landsend, and >most other countries, want to make a profit. That is a motivating factor to >innovate. Michael Lee > > >----- Original Message - >From: "Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:17 AM >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for >development > > >As discussed in previous conversations, I am here for >geographical/religious >reasons and my employer is where you work if you're a programmer in this >town. Many aspects of the company are good, but once in a while the stuff >flowing downhill is crazier than usual. > > >-Original Message- > >From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:03 AM > >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > >development > > > > > >That sucks! I would have to be desperate to work in such an > >environment! > > > >-Original Message- > >From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:57 AM > > > >If only it were that simple. Some of us get WAS handed down to us > >from a being so far up the corporate ladder that it still has frost > >on it. This same breather of rarified air, then also decides that > >once you're using WAS, > >you should naturally use WSAD for your IDE. Oh ... and they're > >going to lock > >down workstations, so that you can't install free stuff on there to use > >instead. > > > >Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at home, > >it will not be required at the office. > > > >Simon > > > > > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >- >To uns
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On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, David Graham wrote: > Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 10:13:28 -0700 > From: David Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > development > > Now we're onto Hitler? This is way too off topic even for posts designated > [OT]. > Agreed; enough already ... > David > Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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For those folks that have a little extra personal time to spare... and a laptop... and a way to transfer files from your work PC to your laptop Then freedom is just around the corner. In the last year, I was cut loose from a very strictly controlled environment where the developers had to wait months while upper management tried to squeeze App Server and IDE Vendors down to lower and lower prices before someone finally would make a decision a buy something. So I understand the choking affect of code development decisions that are routed through the accounting department and upper management. But with Java and current open source efforts, anyone should be able to start development or work from home using open source and migrate over to vendor supplied products later. I am now a consultant and have become used to carrying a laptop around. In fact, due to a recent client's development environment issues, I did the first month's development completely on the laptop and shared files at work through a network drive. The only problem I had was converting an Oracle schema to Pointbase (don't laugh... it got me through unit testing) Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge like environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing proprietary development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with corporate resources. :) -Tony Mark Galbreath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:You read into it what you will, but the topic was software innovation in corporate America. I was making an extreme point. If this offends you, perhaps you take yourself too seriously. Mark -Original Message- From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development Now we're onto Hitler? This is way too off topic even for posts designated [OT]. David >From: "Mark Galbreath" >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" >To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for >development >Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:44:27 -0500 > > >That is way too simplistic, dude. Creativity is the catalyst for >innovation. Stifle developers' ability to be creative and you lose >innovation. American innovation have been so great over the centuries >because business owners realized the value in R&D and being the first >to patent a new innovation. That's what drove productivity and profits >from the invention of the power loom to the cotton gin, interchangeable >parts, Taylorism (scientific management), robotics, and software. What >Simon is talking about are companies (or divisions) run by >short-sighted people interested more often than not with their >immediate personal welfare and/or the blind enforcement of a >theoretical policy. Even a fascist pig like Hitler was responsible for >the most innovative advances in weaponry in a 100 years not because he >dictated policy, but because he gave his scientists freedom to >innovate. > >Mark > >-Original Message----- >From: Michael C. Lee Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:21 AM >To: Struts Users Mailing List >Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for >development > > >I'm sorry, I have to repond to this communist drivel. > >"Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at home, it >will >not be required at the office." No, that is your company...Landsend by the >looks of it. And last I looked, Corporate America had more innovations per >capita than Cuba or other similiar 'non-Corporate' countries. Landsend, and >most other countries, want to make a profit. That is a motivating factor to >innovate. Michael Lee > > >- Original Message - >From: "Chappell, Simon P" >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:17 AM >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for >development > > >As discussed in previous conversations, I am here for >geographical/religious >reasons and my employer is where you work if you're a programmer in this >town. Many aspects of the company are good, but once in a while the stuff >flowing downhill is crazier than usual. > > >-Original Message- > >From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:03 AM > >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > >development > > > > > >That sucks! I would have to be desperate to work in such an >
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> Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge like > environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing proprietary > development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with corporate > resources. :) Well, it won't matter if you are stuck behind a firewall that gives you port 80 and 21 only If I seem a bit upset, I have just cause. I hate having to wait till I get home before I can get anything really important done. -- James Mitchell - Original Message - From: "Tony Baity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:56 PM Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development > > For those folks that have a little extra personal time to spare... and a laptop... and a way to transfer files from your work PC to your laptop Then freedom is just around the corner. > In the last year, I was cut loose from a very strictly controlled environment where the developers had to wait months while upper management tried to squeeze App Server and IDE Vendors down to lower and lower prices before someone finally would make a decision a buy something. So I understand the choking affect of code development decisions that are routed through the accounting department and upper management. But with Java and current open source efforts, anyone should be able to start development or work from home using open source and migrate over to vendor supplied products later. > I am now a consultant and have become used to carrying a laptop around. In fact, due to a recent client's development environment issues, I did the first month's development completely on the laptop and shared files at work through a network drive. The only problem I had was converting an Oracle schema to Pointbase (don't laugh... it got me through unit testing) > Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge like environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing proprietary development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with corporate resources. :) > -Tony > > > > > Mark Galbreath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:You read into it what you will, but the topic was software innovation in > corporate America. I was making an extreme point. If this offends you, > perhaps you take yourself too seriously. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:13 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > development > > > Now we're onto Hitler? This is way too off topic even for posts designated > [OT]. > > David > > > > >From: "Mark Galbreath" > >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" > >To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" > >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > >development > >Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:44:27 -0500 > > > > > >That is way too simplistic, dude. Creativity is the catalyst for > >innovation. Stifle developers' ability to be creative and you lose > >innovation. American innovation have been so great over the centuries > >because business owners realized the value in R&D and being the first > >to patent a new innovation. That's what drove productivity and profits > >from the invention of the power loom to the cotton gin, interchangeable > >parts, Taylorism (scientific management), robotics, and software. What > >Simon is talking about are companies (or divisions) run by > >short-sighted people interested more often than not with their > >immediate personal welfare and/or the blind enforcement of a > >theoretical policy. Even a fascist pig like Hitler was responsible for > >the most innovative advances in weaponry in a 100 years not because he > >dictated policy, but because he gave his scientists freedom to > >innovate. > > > >Mark > > > >-Original Message- > >From: Michael C. Lee Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:21 AM > >To: Struts Users Mailing List > >Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > >development > > > > > >I'm sorry, I have to repond to this communist drivel. > > > >"Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at home, it > >will > >not be required at the office." No, that is your company...Landsend by the > >looks of it. And last I looked, Corporate America had more innovations per > >capita than Cuba or other similiar 'non-Corporate' countries. L
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If you have the time, you can set up an environment in which you can do everything through port 80 that you want to do. At 01:11 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: > Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge like > environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing proprietary > development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with corporate > resources. :) Well, it won't matter if you are stuck behind a firewall that gives you port 80 and 21 only If I seem a bit upset, I have just cause. I hate having to wait till I get home before I can get anything really important done. -- James Mitchell - Original Message - From: "Tony Baity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:56 PM Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development > > For those folks that have a little extra personal time to spare... and a laptop... and a way to transfer files from your work PC to your laptop Then freedom is just around the corner. > In the last year, I was cut loose from a very strictly controlled environment where the developers had to wait months while upper management tried to squeeze App Server and IDE Vendors down to lower and lower prices before someone finally would make a decision a buy something. So I understand the choking affect of code development decisions that are routed through the accounting department and upper management. But with Java and current open source efforts, anyone should be able to start development or work from home using open source and migrate over to vendor supplied products later. > I am now a consultant and have become used to carrying a laptop around. In fact, due to a recent client's development environment issues, I did the first month's development completely on the laptop and shared files at work through a network drive. The only problem I had was converting an Oracle schema to Pointbase (don't laugh... it got me through unit testing) > Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge like environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing proprietary development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with corporate resources. :) > -Tony > > > > > Mark Galbreath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:You read into it what you will, but the topic was software innovation in > corporate America. I was making an extreme point. If this offends you, > perhaps you take yourself too seriously. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:13 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > development > > > Now we're onto Hitler? This is way too off topic even for posts designated > [OT]. > > David > > > > >From: "Mark Galbreath" > >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" > >To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" > >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > >development > >Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:44:27 -0500 > > > > > >That is way too simplistic, dude. Creativity is the catalyst for > >innovation. Stifle developers' ability to be creative and you lose > >innovation. American innovation have been so great over the centuries > >because business owners realized the value in R&D and being the first > >to patent a new innovation. That's what drove productivity and profits > >from the invention of the power loom to the cotton gin, interchangeable > >parts, Taylorism (scientific management), robotics, and software. What > >Simon is talking about are companies (or divisions) run by > >short-sighted people interested more often than not with their > >immediate personal welfare and/or the blind enforcement of a > >theoretical policy. Even a fascist pig like Hitler was responsible for > >the most innovative advances in weaponry in a 100 years not because he > >dictated policy, but because he gave his scientists freedom to > >innovate. > > > >Mark > > > >-Original Message- > >From: Michael C. Lee Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:21 AM > >To: Struts Users Mailing List > >Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > >development > > > > > >I'm sorry, I have to repond to this communist drivel. > > > >"Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at home, it > >will > >not be required at the office." No, that is your company...Landsend by the >
Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
Do tell! -- James Mitchell - Original Message - From: "Micael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development > If you have the time, you can set up an environment in which you can do > everything through port 80 that you want to do. > > At 01:11 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge like > > > environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing proprietary > > > development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with corporate > > > resources. :) > > > > > >Well, it won't matter if you are stuck behind a firewall that gives you port > >80 and 21 only > > > >If I seem a bit upset, I have just cause. I hate having to wait till I get > >home before I can get anything really important done. > > > >-- > >James Mitchell > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Tony Baity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:56 PM > >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > >development > > > > > > > > > > For those folks that have a little extra personal time to spare... and a > >laptop... and a way to transfer files from your work PC to your laptop > >Then freedom is just around the corner. > > > In the last year, I was cut loose from a very strictly controlled > >environment where the developers had to wait months while upper management > >tried to squeeze App Server and IDE Vendors down to lower and lower prices > >before someone finally would make a decision a buy something. So I > >understand the choking affect of code development decisions that are routed > >through the accounting department and upper management. But with Java and > >current open source efforts, anyone should be able to start development or > >work from home using open source and migrate over to vendor supplied > >products later. > > > I am now a consultant and have become used to carrying a laptop around. In > >fact, due to a recent client's development environment issues, I did the > >first month's development completely on the laptop and shared files at work > >through a network drive. The only problem I had was converting an Oracle > >schema to Pointbase (don't laugh... it got me through unit testing) > > > Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge like > >environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing proprietary > >development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with corporate > >resources. :) > > > -Tony > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Galbreath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:You read into it what you > >will, but the topic was software innovation in > > > corporate America. I was making an extreme point. If this offends you, > > > perhaps you take yourself too seriously. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > -Original Message----- > > > From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:13 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > > > development > > > > > > > > > Now we're onto Hitler? This is way too off topic even for posts designated > > > [OT]. > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Mark Galbreath" > > > >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" > > > >To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" > > > >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > > > >development > > > >Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:44:27 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > >That is way too simplistic, dude. Creativity is the catalyst for > > > >innovation. Stifle developers' ability to be creative and you lose > > > >innovation. American innovation have been so great over the centuries > > > >because business owners realized the value in R&D and being the first > > > >to patent a new innovation. That's what drove productivity and profits > > > >from the invention of the power loom to the
Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
Hi, James, okay, I will tell I do the whole thing with programs that allow me to write and to execute scripts on a target machine over the web. There isn't anything you cannot do with product development that way. You can really do any kind of distributed programming you want through port 80 and servlets. As a bit of an aside, a great deal of my programming is just two servlets talking to each other from different websites where a graphic never appears. This, I assume, is fairly normal. I am sort of self taught in computing, coming from a background in mathematical logic, so I am not completely aware of what is normal and what is not. Certainly Jason Hunter provides all the details needed to do this in his book on servlets. Are we on the same wave length? Micael At 02:04 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: Do tell! -- James Mitchell - Original Message - From: "Micael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development > If you have the time, you can set up an environment in which you can do > everything through port 80 that you want to do. > > At 01:11 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge like > > > environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing proprietary > > > development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with corporate > > > resources. :) > > > > > >Well, it won't matter if you are stuck behind a firewall that gives you port > >80 and 21 only > > > >If I seem a bit upset, I have just cause. I hate having to wait till I get > >home before I can get anything really important done. > > > >-- > >James Mitchell > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Tony Baity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:56 PM > >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > >development > > > > > > > > > > For those folks that have a little extra personal time to spare... and a > >laptop... and a way to transfer files from your work PC to your laptop > >Then freedom is just around the corner. > > > In the last year, I was cut loose from a very strictly controlled > >environment where the developers had to wait months while upper management > >tried to squeeze App Server and IDE Vendors down to lower and lower prices > >before someone finally would make a decision a buy something. So I > >understand the choking affect of code development decisions that are routed > >through the accounting department and upper management. But with Java and > >current open source efforts, anyone should be able to start development or > >work from home using open source and migrate over to vendor supplied > >products later. > > > I am now a consultant and have become used to carrying a laptop around. In > >fact, due to a recent client's development environment issues, I did the > >first month's development completely on the laptop and shared files at work > >through a network drive. The only problem I had was converting an Oracle > >schema to Pointbase (don't laugh... it got me through unit testing) > > > Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge like > >environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing proprietary > >development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with corporate > >resources. :) > > > -Tony > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Galbreath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:You read into it what you > >will, but the topic was software innovation in > > > corporate America. I was making an extreme point. If this offends you, > > > perhaps you take yourself too seriously. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:13 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > > > development > > > > > > > > > Now we're onto Hitler? This is way too off topic even for posts designated > > > [OT]. > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Mark Galbreath" > > > >Reply-
Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
I have, by the way, a complete server environment that holds about 600 megabytes of goodies that I just drop into any computer (home or otherwise) that is handy, drag one file to Start, click and I can use that anywhere in the world to develop. One script file fires up the whole mess and it is managed through JMX, etc. The environment is 100% java: databases, etc. I can email to and from the site as well, using James. It is a big Kluge, as they say, but it works for me. At 02:04 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: Do tell! -- James Mitchell - Original Message - From: "Micael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development > If you have the time, you can set up an environment in which you can do > everything through port 80 that you want to do. > > At 01:11 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge like > > > environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing proprietary > > > development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with corporate > > > resources. :) > > > > > >Well, it won't matter if you are stuck behind a firewall that gives you port > >80 and 21 only > > > >If I seem a bit upset, I have just cause. I hate having to wait till I get > >home before I can get anything really important done. > > > >-- > >James Mitchell > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Tony Baity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:56 PM > >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > >development > > > > > > > > > > For those folks that have a little extra personal time to spare... and a > >laptop... and a way to transfer files from your work PC to your laptop > >Then freedom is just around the corner. > > > In the last year, I was cut loose from a very strictly controlled > >environment where the developers had to wait months while upper management > >tried to squeeze App Server and IDE Vendors down to lower and lower prices > >before someone finally would make a decision a buy something. So I > >understand the choking affect of code development decisions that are routed > >through the accounting department and upper management. But with Java and > >current open source efforts, anyone should be able to start development or > >work from home using open source and migrate over to vendor supplied > >products later. > > > I am now a consultant and have become used to carrying a laptop around. In > >fact, due to a recent client's development environment issues, I did the > >first month's development completely on the laptop and shared files at work > >through a network drive. The only problem I had was converting an Oracle > >schema to Pointbase (don't laugh... it got me through unit testing) > > > Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge like > >environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing proprietary > >development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with corporate > >resources. :) > > > -Tony > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Galbreath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:You read into it what you > >will, but the topic was software innovation in > > > corporate America. I was making an extreme point. If this offends you, > > > perhaps you take yourself too seriously. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > -Original Message----- > > > From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:13 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > > > development > > > > > > > > > Now we're onto Hitler? This is way too off topic even for posts designated > > > [OT]. > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Mark Galbreath" > > > >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" > > > >To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" > > > >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > > > >development > > > >Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:44:27 -0500 > > > > > > &g
Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
oh.well I was thinking about configuring openssh on my home server (port 21) and controlling that one from here I used to use PCAnyWhore, but since I installed my router/firewall at home, I cannot do that anymore.any more suggestions? -- James Mitchell - Original Message - From: "Micael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development > Hi, James, okay, I will tell > > I do the whole thing with programs that allow me to write and to execute > scripts on a target machine over the web. There isn't anything you cannot > do with product development that way. > > You can really do any kind of distributed programming you want through port > 80 and servlets. > > As a bit of an aside, a great deal of my programming is just two servlets > talking to each other from different websites where a graphic never > appears. This, I assume, is fairly normal. I am sort of self taught in > computing, coming from a background in mathematical logic, so I am not > completely aware of what is normal and what is not. Certainly Jason Hunter > provides all the details needed to do this in his book on servlets. > > Are we on the same wave length? > > Micael > > At 02:04 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: > >Do tell! > > > > > >-- > >James Mitchell > > > > > > > > > > > >- Original Message ----- > >From: "Micael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:29 PM > >Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > >development > > > > > > > If you have the time, you can set up an environment in which you can do > > > everything through port 80 that you want to do. > > > > > > At 01:11 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge like > > > > > environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing > >proprietary > > > > > development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with > >corporate > > > > > resources. :) > > > > > > > > > > > >Well, it won't matter if you are stuck behind a firewall that gives you > >port > > > >80 and 21 only > > > > > > > >If I seem a bit upset, I have just cause. I hate having to wait till I > >get > > > >home before I can get anything really important done. > > > > > > > >-- > > > >James Mitchell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- Original Message - > > > >From: "Tony Baity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:56 PM > > > >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > > > >development > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those folks that have a little extra personal time to spare... and > >a > > > >laptop... and a way to transfer files from your work PC to your > >laptop > > > >Then freedom is just around the corner. > > > > > In the last year, I was cut loose from a very strictly controlled > > > >environment where the developers had to wait months while upper > >management > > > >tried to squeeze App Server and IDE Vendors down to lower and lower > >prices > > > >before someone finally would make a decision a buy something. So I > > > >understand the choking affect of code development decisions that are > >routed > > > >through the accounting department and upper management. But with Java and > > > >current open source efforts, anyone should be able to start development > >or > > > >work from home using open source and migrate over to vendor supplied > > > >products later. > > > > > I am now a consultant and have become used to carrying a laptop > >around. In > > > >fact, due to a recent client's development environment issues, I did the > > > >first month's development completely on the laptop and shared files at > >work > > > >through a network drive. The only problem I had was converting an Orac
Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
I would strongly recommend that you use port 22 and secure ftp. You can do anything you want to do through port 80. You are serving at home, right? Just provide yourself a management application for the whole environment. Build a sleeper background servlet that initializes itself according to some property file, allowing two unrelated classloader configurations to cooperate with each other unknowingly, and you can do anything on your machine with port 80. There are probably better ways to do this, but this is really simple and does all I want. I also get lazy and use the batch file approach too. There are lots of ways to do this. If you want, you can use signed applets to do about anything too. If you just provide yourself a way to write files, execute programs, and get the results over port 80, you have it sacked. All those things are old news. I once wrote an application that allowed the client to write any of the content part of their application dynamically and test it dynamically before publishing it. The banner and navigation stayed the same, and they had their own navigation area to use as well. It is still running, but they have made the content area so ugly I cannot stand it. If you have any questions on how to do any part of this, send me your personal email address and I will be glad to share anything I know. Micael At 02:34 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: oh.well I was thinking about configuring openssh on my home server (port 21) and controlling that one from here I used to use PCAnyWhore, but since I installed my router/firewall at home, I cannot do that anymore.any more suggestions? -- James Mitchell - Original Message - From: "Micael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development > Hi, James, okay, I will tell > > I do the whole thing with programs that allow me to write and to execute > scripts on a target machine over the web. There isn't anything you cannot > do with product development that way. > > You can really do any kind of distributed programming you want through port > 80 and servlets. > > As a bit of an aside, a great deal of my programming is just two servlets > talking to each other from different websites where a graphic never > appears. This, I assume, is fairly normal. I am sort of self taught in > computing, coming from a background in mathematical logic, so I am not > completely aware of what is normal and what is not. Certainly Jason Hunter > provides all the details needed to do this in his book on servlets. > > Are we on the same wave length? > > Micael > > At 02:04 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: > >Do tell! > > > > > >-- > >James Mitchell > > > > > > > > > > > >- Original Message ----- > >From: "Micael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:29 PM > >Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > >development > > > > > > > If you have the time, you can set up an environment in which you can do > > > everything through port 80 that you want to do. > > > > > > At 01:11 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge like > > > > > environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing > >proprietary > > > > > development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with > >corporate > > > > > resources. :) > > > > > > > > > > > >Well, it won't matter if you are stuck behind a firewall that gives you > >port > > > >80 and 21 only > > > > > > > >If I seem a bit upset, I have just cause. I hate having to wait till I > >get > > > >home before I can get anything really important done. > > > > > > > >-- > > > >James Mitchell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- Original Message - > > > >From: "Tony Baity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:56 PM > > > >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > > > >development > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those folks that have a little extra
Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
Yes. If you are using windows XP or 2000 I HIGHLY reccommend terminal services. It is fantastic. It is a lot like pcanywhere in the fact that you can remotely use the machine as if you were there. And I have mine configured to work through my firewall at home. You just have to open up that port 39xx or something like that. I have it locked down to a few external IPs also. Your home firewall/router should have a configuration section (filter) for all inbound/outbound traffic. I have a DLink 614 and it works great. Don't use SSH. Use terminal services. I use SSH when I have to (to go to my unix servers at work). I use terminal services for all Wintel work. Home and business. BTW James, this is Michael Lee, I worked with you at Netvendor. I live by you in Suwanee remember? We talked about kicking some PC games sometime? If you want you can email me and I'll call you and can help you out over the phone. Mike - Original Message - From: "James Mitchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development > oh.well I was thinking about configuring openssh on my home server (port > 21) and controlling that one from here > > I used to use PCAnyWhore, but since I installed my router/firewall at home, > I cannot do that anymore.any more suggestions? > > -- > James Mitchell > > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Micael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:18 PM > Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > development > > > > Hi, James, okay, I will tell > > > > I do the whole thing with programs that allow me to write and to execute > > scripts on a target machine over the web. There isn't anything you cannot > > do with product development that way. > > > > You can really do any kind of distributed programming you want through > port > > 80 and servlets. > > > > As a bit of an aside, a great deal of my programming is just two servlets > > talking to each other from different websites where a graphic never > > appears. This, I assume, is fairly normal. I am sort of self taught in > > computing, coming from a background in mathematical logic, so I am not > > completely aware of what is normal and what is not. Certainly Jason > Hunter > > provides all the details needed to do this in his book on servlets. > > > > Are we on the same wave length? > > > > Micael > > > > At 02:04 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: > > >Do tell! > > > > > > > > >-- > > >James Mitchell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- Original Message - > > >From: "Micael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:29 PM > > >Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > > >development > > > > > > > > > > If you have the time, you can set up an environment in which you can > do > > > > everything through port 80 that you want to do. > > > > > > > > At 01:11 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > > Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge like > > > > > > environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing > > >proprietary > > > > > > development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with > > >corporate > > > > > > resources. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Well, it won't matter if you are stuck behind a firewall that gives > you > > >port > > > > >80 and 21 only > > > > > > > > > >If I seem a bit upset, I have just cause. I hate having to wait till > I > > >get > > > > >home before I can get anything really important done. > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > >James Mitchell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- Original Message - > > > > >From: "Tony Baity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >Sent: Thursday, Februar
RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
I use windows' mstsc to access other computers, it's the best (and of course native) solution there is out there for remote computing. ATT&T labs has another slim line product that does the same as PCAnyWhere but there's a java applet client for it, of course there's also one available for PCAnywhere which I used to use before mstsc. -Bocaj | -Original Message- | From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:35 PM | To: Struts Users Mailing List | Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for | development | | oh.well I was thinking about configuring openssh on my home server | (port | 21) and controlling that one from here | | I used to use PCAnyWhore, but since I installed my router/firewall at | home, | I cannot do that anymore.any more suggestions? | | -- | James Mitchell | | | | | | - Original Message - | From: "Micael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:18 PM | Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for | development | | | > Hi, James, okay, I will tell | > | > I do the whole thing with programs that allow me to write and to execute | > scripts on a target machine over the web. There isn't anything you | cannot | > do with product development that way. | > | > You can really do any kind of distributed programming you want through | port | > 80 and servlets. | > | > As a bit of an aside, a great deal of my programming is just two | servlets | > talking to each other from different websites where a graphic never | > appears. This, I assume, is fairly normal. I am sort of self taught in | > computing, coming from a background in mathematical logic, so I am not | > completely aware of what is normal and what is not. Certainly Jason | Hunter | > provides all the details needed to do this in his book on servlets. | > | > Are we on the same wave length? | > | > Micael | > | > At 02:04 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: | > >Do tell! | > > | > > | > >-- | > >James Mitchell | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > >----- Original Message ----- | > >From: "Micael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:29 PM | > >Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for | > >development | > > | > > | > > > If you have the time, you can set up an environment in which you can | do | > > > everything through port 80 that you want to do. | > > > | > > > At 01:11 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: | > > > > > Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge | like | > > > > > environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing | > >proprietary | > > > > > development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with | > >corporate | > > > > > resources. :) | > > > > | > > > > | > > > >Well, it won't matter if you are stuck behind a firewall that gives | you | > >port | > > > >80 and 21 only | > > > > | > > > >If I seem a bit upset, I have just cause. I hate having to wait | till | I | > >get | > > > >home before I can get anything really important done. | > > > > | > > > >-- | > > > >James Mitchell | > > > > | > > > > | > > > > | > > > > | > > > > | > > > >- Original Message - | > > > >From: "Tony Baity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > > > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > > > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:56 PM | > > > >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for | > > > >development | > > > > | > > > > | > > > > > | > > > > > For those folks that have a little extra personal time to | spare... | and | > >a | > > > >laptop... and a way to transfer files from your work PC to your | > >laptop | > > > >Then freedom is just around the corner. | > > > > > In the last year, I was cut loose from a very strictly | controlled | > > > >environment where the developers had to wait months while upper | > >management | > > > >tried to squeeze App Server and IDE Vendors down to lower and lower | > >prices | > > > >before someone finally would make a decision
Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
Oh yeah, I saw you a few months back at the AJUG meeting that Chuck presented. I wanted to say hey, but you disappeared before I could catch you. I could hardly believe what Mark Fleury did halfway through the Beer4All presentationLOL. Yes, I'm running Win2k Advanced Server at home, but have not looked into Terminal Services, maybe I'll do that tonight. -- James Mitchell - Original Message - From: "Michael C. Lee Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development > Yes. If you are using windows XP or 2000 I HIGHLY reccommend terminal > services. It is fantastic. It is a lot like pcanywhere in the fact that you > can remotely use the machine as if you were there. And I have mine > configured to work through my firewall at home. You just have to open up > that port 39xx or something like that. I have it locked down to a few > external IPs also. Your home firewall/router should have a configuration > section (filter) for all inbound/outbound traffic. I have a DLink 614 and it > works great. Don't use SSH. Use terminal services. I use SSH when I have to > (to go to my unix servers at work). I use terminal services for all Wintel > work. Home and business. > > BTW James, this is Michael Lee, I worked with you at Netvendor. I live by > you in Suwanee remember? We talked about kicking some PC games sometime? If > you want you can email me and I'll call you and can help you out over the > phone. > Mike > > - Original Message - > From: "James Mitchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > development > > > > oh.well I was thinking about configuring openssh on my home server > (port > > 21) and controlling that one from here > > > > I used to use PCAnyWhore, but since I installed my router/firewall at > home, > > I cannot do that anymore.any more suggestions? > > > > -- > > James Mitchell > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Micael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:18 PM > > Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > > development > > > > > > > Hi, James, okay, I will tell > > > > > > I do the whole thing with programs that allow me to write and to execute > > > scripts on a target machine over the web. There isn't anything you > cannot > > > do with product development that way. > > > > > > You can really do any kind of distributed programming you want through > > port > > > 80 and servlets. > > > > > > As a bit of an aside, a great deal of my programming is just two > servlets > > > talking to each other from different websites where a graphic never > > > appears. This, I assume, is fairly normal. I am sort of self taught in > > > computing, coming from a background in mathematical logic, so I am not > > > completely aware of what is normal and what is not. Certainly Jason > > Hunter > > > provides all the details needed to do this in his book on servlets. > > > > > > Are we on the same wave length? > > > > > > Micael > > > > > > At 02:04 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > >Do tell! > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > >James Mitchell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- Original Message - > > > >From: "Micael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:29 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > > > >development > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have the time, you can set up an environment in which you can > > do > > > > > everything through port 80 that you want to do. > > > > > > > > > > At 01:11 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > > > Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge > like > > > > > > > enviro
Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
Not sure if you are referring to VNC??? I use that all day longhome and here. Being surrounded by idiots takes a toll on my stress level.I feel more like I'm tech support than a developer"James, why can't I copy this Excel sheet into PowerPoint?"."James, what is ODBC and how can I get one?""James, why is Mark Galbreath such a meany to me?".LOL...just kidding on the last one. I use VNC (for the Machines I have control over) and NetMeeting for the ones I don't. -- James Mitchell - Original Message - From: "Jacob Hookom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:01 PM Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development I use windows' mstsc to access other computers, it's the best (and of course native) solution there is out there for remote computing. ATT&T labs has another slim line product that does the same as PCAnyWhere but there's a java applet client for it, of course there's also one available for PCAnywhere which I used to use before mstsc. -Bocaj | -Original Message- | From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:35 PM | To: Struts Users Mailing List | Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for | development | | oh.well I was thinking about configuring openssh on my home server | (port | 21) and controlling that one from here | | I used to use PCAnyWhore, but since I installed my router/firewall at | home, | I cannot do that anymore.any more suggestions? | | -- | James Mitchell | | | | | | - Original Message - | From: "Micael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:18 PM | Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for | development | | | > Hi, James, okay, I will tell | > | > I do the whole thing with programs that allow me to write and to execute | > scripts on a target machine over the web. There isn't anything you | cannot | > do with product development that way. | > | > You can really do any kind of distributed programming you want through | port | > 80 and servlets. | > | > As a bit of an aside, a great deal of my programming is just two | servlets | > talking to each other from different websites where a graphic never | > appears. This, I assume, is fairly normal. I am sort of self taught in | > computing, coming from a background in mathematical logic, so I am not | > completely aware of what is normal and what is not. Certainly Jason | Hunter | > provides all the details needed to do this in his book on servlets. | > | > Are we on the same wave length? | > | > Micael | > | > At 02:04 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: | > >Do tell! | > > | > > | > >-- | > >James Mitchell | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > >- Original Message - | > >From: "Micael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:29 PM | > >Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for | > >development | > > | > > | > > > If you have the time, you can set up an environment in which you can | do | > > > everything through port 80 that you want to do. | > > > | > > > At 01:11 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: | > > > > > Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge | like | > > > > > environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing | > >proprietary | > > > > > development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with | > >corporate | > > > > > resources. :) | > > > > | > > > > | > > > >Well, it won't matter if you are stuck behind a firewall that gives | you | > >port | > > > >80 and 21 only | > > > > | > > > >If I seem a bit upset, I have just cause. I hate having to wait | till | I | > >get | > > > >home before I can get anything really important done. | > > > > | > > > >-- | > > > >James Mitchell | > > > > | > > > > | > > > > | > > > > | > > > > | > > > >- Original Message - | > > > >From: "Tony Baity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > > > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > > > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:56 PM |
Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
Well, what did he do? At 03:26 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: Oh yeah, I saw you a few months back at the AJUG meeting that Chuck presented. I wanted to say hey, but you disappeared before I could catch you. I could hardly believe what Mark Fleury did halfway through the Beer4All presentationLOL. Yes, I'm running Win2k Advanced Server at home, but have not looked into Terminal Services, maybe I'll do that tonight. -- James Mitchell - Original Message - From: "Michael C. Lee Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development > Yes. If you are using windows XP or 2000 I HIGHLY reccommend terminal > services. It is fantastic. It is a lot like pcanywhere in the fact that you > can remotely use the machine as if you were there. And I have mine > configured to work through my firewall at home. You just have to open up > that port 39xx or something like that. I have it locked down to a few > external IPs also. Your home firewall/router should have a configuration > section (filter) for all inbound/outbound traffic. I have a DLink 614 and it > works great. Don't use SSH. Use terminal services. I use SSH when I have to > (to go to my unix servers at work). I use terminal services for all Wintel > work. Home and business. > > BTW James, this is Michael Lee, I worked with you at Netvendor. I live by > you in Suwanee remember? We talked about kicking some PC games sometime? If > you want you can email me and I'll call you and can help you out over the > phone. > Mike > > - Original Message - > From: "James Mitchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > development > > > > oh.well I was thinking about configuring openssh on my home server > (port > > 21) and controlling that one from here > > > > I used to use PCAnyWhore, but since I installed my router/firewall at > home, > > I cannot do that anymore.any more suggestions? > > > > -- > > James Mitchell > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Micael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:18 PM > > Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > > development > > > > > > > Hi, James, okay, I will tell > > > > > > I do the whole thing with programs that allow me to write and to execute > > > scripts on a target machine over the web. There isn't anything you > cannot > > > do with product development that way. > > > > > > You can really do any kind of distributed programming you want through > > port > > > 80 and servlets. > > > > > > As a bit of an aside, a great deal of my programming is just two > servlets > > > talking to each other from different websites where a graphic never > > > appears. This, I assume, is fairly normal. I am sort of self taught in > > > computing, coming from a background in mathematical logic, so I am not > > > completely aware of what is normal and what is not. Certainly Jason > > Hunter > > > provides all the details needed to do this in his book on servlets. > > > > > > Are we on the same wave length? > > > > > > Micael > > > > > > At 02:04 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > >Do tell! > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > >James Mitchell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- Original Message - > > > >From: "Micael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:29 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > > > >development > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have the time, you can set up an environment in which you can > > do > > > > > everything through port 80 that you want to do. > > > > > > > > > > At 01:11 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > > > Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sou
Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
He interrupted the session acting like a waiter serving Chuck a beerit was hilarious!!! -- James Mitchell - Original Message - From: "Micael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development > Well, what did he do? > > > > At 03:26 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: > >Oh yeah, I saw you a few months back at the AJUG meeting that Chuck > >presented. I wanted to say hey, but you disappeared before I could catch > >you. I could hardly believe what Mark Fleury did halfway through the > >Beer4All presentationLOL. > > > >Yes, I'm running Win2k Advanced Server at home, but have not looked into > >Terminal Services, maybe I'll do that tonight. > > > >-- > >James Mitchell > > > > > > > > > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Michael C. Lee Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:59 PM > >Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > >development > > > > > > > Yes. If you are using windows XP or 2000 I HIGHLY reccommend terminal > > > services. It is fantastic. It is a lot like pcanywhere in the fact that > >you > > > can remotely use the machine as if you were there. And I have mine > > > configured to work through my firewall at home. You just have to open up > > > that port 39xx or something like that. I have it locked down to a few > > > external IPs also. Your home firewall/router should have a configuration > > > section (filter) for all inbound/outbound traffic. I have a DLink 614 and > >it > > > works great. Don't use SSH. Use terminal services. I use SSH when I have > >to > > > (to go to my unix servers at work). I use terminal services for all Wintel > > > work. Home and business. > > > > > > BTW James, this is Michael Lee, I worked with you at Netvendor. I live by > > > you in Suwanee remember? We talked about kicking some PC games sometime? > >If > > > you want you can email me and I'll call you and can help you out over the > > > phone. > > > Mike > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "James Mitchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:34 AM > > > Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > > > development > > > > > > > > > > oh.well I was thinking about configuring openssh on my home server > > > (port > > > > 21) and controlling that one from here > > > > > > > > I used to use PCAnyWhore, but since I installed my router/firewall at > > > home, > > > > I cannot do that anymore.any more suggestions? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > James Mitchell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: "Micael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:18 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for > > > > development > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, James, okay, I will tell > > > > > > > > > > I do the whole thing with programs that allow me to write and to > >execute > > > > > scripts on a target machine over the web. There isn't anything you > > > cannot > > > > > do with product development that way. > > > > > > > > > > You can really do any kind of distributed programming you want through > > > > port > > > > > 80 and servlets. > > > > > > > > > > As a bit of an aside, a great deal of my programming is just two > > > servlets > > > > > talking to each other from different websites where a graphic never > > > > > appears. This, I assume, is fairly normal. I am sort of self taught > >in > > > > > computing, coming from a background in mathematical logic, so I am not > > > > > comple
Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
Sorry, A Brit here! Was asleep while all this was going on. Not that I'm knocking Marks wonderfull, if a little ranting come the end, soapbox comment BUT Power looms were invetned by Edmund Cartwright in 1785 in Doncaster, England. I'll let you have Eli Whitney for the cotton gin (1790ish), but it is just basically an addapted wool flauxer (Rips the rough wool so it can be spun) earliest model in a museum in wales well before 1700. (And as a side line, we, yes us in Blighty, invented gin) Inter-changeable parts. NO, NO, NO. You may not lay clame to that one! The bloody romans had inter-changeable parts on thier sodding plows!!! For god sake man. Just cause it's on a bit of paper with the word patient on the top does not mean you invented the bloody thing. Taylorism (The earliest recorded Americanism!!) was derived by Taylor form Upton Sinclair (An other bloody yank) who I have suspected for years of pinching it from my great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather, who found if he feed his slaves they lived longer. Nikola Tesla (You may have heard of him), who build the first remotely control "Robot" was Serbian. He may have lived in America, but then again most American inventions have come from foriegn-nationals (Manely, British, Russian and German) who have, "Just nipped out for a packet of cigs", and never come back home to the good ol' U of K. Hitler, now we invented him, he is ours .. opps that's still in the top secret pile! Shit, forget I said that. Now go about your business people, go on, move along, nothing to see here. - Original Message - From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 5:44 PM Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development That is way too simplistic, dude. Creativity is the catalyst for innovation. Stifle developers' ability to be creative and you lose innovation. American innovation have been so great over the centuries because business owners realized the value in R&D and being the first to patent a new innovation. That's what drove productivity and profits from the invention of the power loom to the cotton gin, interchangeable parts, Taylorism (scientific management), robotics, and software. What Simon is talking about are companies (or divisions) run by short-sighted people interested more often than not with their immediate personal welfare and/or the blind enforcement of a theoretical policy. Even a fascist pig like Hitler was responsible for the most innovative advances in weaponry in a 100 years not because he dictated policy, but because he gave his scientists freedom to innovate. Mark -Original Message- From: Michael C. Lee Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:21 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development I'm sorry, I have to repond to this communist drivel. "Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at home, it will not be required at the office." No, that is your company...Landsend by the looks of it. And last I looked, Corporate America had more innovations per capita than Cuba or other similiar 'non-Corporate' countries. Landsend, and most other countries, want to make a profit. That is a motivating factor to innovate. Michael Lee - Original Message - From: "Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:17 AM Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development As discussed in previous conversations, I am here for geographical/religious reasons and my employer is where you work if you're a programmer in this town. Many aspects of the company are good, but once in a while the stuff flowing downhill is crazier than usual. >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:03 AM >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for >development > > >That sucks! I would have to be desperate to work in such an >environment! > >-Original Message- >From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:57 AM > >If only it were that simple. Some of us get WAS handed down to us from >a being so far up the corporate ladder that it still has frost >on it. This >same breather of rarified air, then also decides that once >you're using WAS, >you should naturally use WSAD for your IDE. Oh ... and they're >going to lock >down workstations, so that you
Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
If you have WSAD on your workstation where is the problem with just using the WAS development license that was installed with it? "Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >-Original Message- >From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 9:42 AM >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for >development > > >I don't know how IBM licenses WebSphere, but when we were >faced with this >problem we decided to go with BEA's WebLogic because BEA gave us great >discounts for instances running on our own workstations, which >created a >development environment like you describe with Tomcat. >Perhaps you should >have shopped around before chaining yourselves to Big Blue? If only it were that simple. Some of us get WAS handed down to us from a being so far up the corporate ladder that it still has frost on it. This same breather of rarified air, then also decides that once you're using WAS, you should naturally use WSAD for your IDE. Oh ... and they're going to lock down workstations, so that you can't install free stuff on there to use instead. Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at home, it will not be required at the office. >Mark Simon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
The test server in WSAD is not a full version of WAS. It does not handle db connections and some aspects of EJBs very well, not to mention that it is single server, so there is no way to test multi-server code. All told, don't rely on the quasi-WAS in WSAD ... get a real version of WAS or an open source/free application server instead. Simon >-Original Message- >From: Gerhard Poul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:23 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for >development > > >If you have WSAD on your workstation where is the problem with >just using >the WAS development license that was installed with it? > >"Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>-Original Message- >>From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 9:42 AM >>To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' >>Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for >>development >> >> >>I don't know how IBM licenses WebSphere, but when we were >>faced with this >>problem we decided to go with BEA's WebLogic because BEA gave us great >>discounts for instances running on our own workstations, which >>created a >>development environment like you describe with Tomcat. >>Perhaps you should >>have shopped around before chaining yourselves to Big Blue? > >If only it were that simple. Some of us get WAS handed down to >us from a >being so far up the corporate ladder that it still has frost >on it. This >same breather of rarified air, then also decides that once >you're using WAS, >you should naturally use WSAD for your IDE. Oh ... and they're >going to lock >down workstations, so that you can't install free stuff on there to use >instead. > >Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at >home, it will >not be required at the office. > >>Mark > > > >Simon > > > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, I am working on websphere on AS400, and so cannot have each developer a seperate test enviornment, Although we develop all the code on NT, test it and put it on AS400, bt there is some code which works on AS400 only, but anyway, we come to a conclusion that, only one developer works with this part which is AS400 specific along with other development and others will work on NT, and we wrote some classes which help us in working on both envoirments.. Ashish --- "Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The test server in WSAD is not a full version of > WAS. It does not handle db connections and some > aspects of EJBs very well, not to mention that it is > single server, so there is no way to test > multi-server code. > > All told, don't rely on the quasi-WAS in WSAD ... > get a real version of WAS or an open source/free > application server instead. > > Simon > > >-Original Message- > >From: Gerhard Poul > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:23 AM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project > with one server for > >development > > > > > >If you have WSAD on your workstation where is the > problem with > >just using > >the WAS development license that was installed with > it? > > > >"Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote in message > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >>-Original Message----- > >>From: Mark Galbreath > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 9:42 AM > >>To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > >>Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project > with one server for > >>development > >> > >> > >>I don't know how IBM licenses WebSphere, but when > we were > >>faced with this > >>problem we decided to go with BEA's WebLogic > because BEA gave us great > >>discounts for instances running on our own > workstations, which > >>created a > >>development environment like you describe with > Tomcat. > >>Perhaps you should > >>have shopped around before chaining yourselves to > Big Blue? > > > >If only it were that simple. Some of us get WAS > handed down to > >us from a > >being so far up the corporate ladder that it still > has frost > >on it. This > >same breather of rarified air, then also decides > that once > >you're using WAS, > >you should naturally use WSAD for your IDE. Oh ... > and they're > >going to lock > >down workstations, so that you can't install free > stuff on there to use > >instead. > > > >Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your > innovation at > >home, it will > >not be required at the office. > > > >>Mark > > > > > > > >Simon > > > > > > > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = A$HI$H __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > Now we're onto Hitler? This is way too off topic even for posts designated > > [OT]. > > > > Agreed; enough already ... Darn. And I was just going to say how big corporations start looking to me like communes after a while. :-P -- Joel Rees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
