Re: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage)
I just found that mozilla had put this complete thread in my spam folder. Obviously mozilla's opinion on the content. I found it interesting though. Since we're talking about the quality of mailing lists, does anybody know which the best JBoss list is? The forum and associated mailing list at www.jboss.org is not up to the standard I'm used to at Jakarta. In fact, I'm wondering whether there is an alternative at all actually. Thanks Adam On 03/02/2004 04:46 AM Andrew Hill wrote: Ive found the best way to avoid those kind of morons is to work at small companies where any deadwood has nowhere to hide and is quickly pruned :-) Our tech leads really know their stuff here. -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2004 06:28 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage) While the original flame war was less helpful, the question that has emerged from it's ashes is a good one. I don't claim to have all the answers, but I can offer some personal observations. Feel free to disagree. 1. You can do nothing about those who choose not to learn. I've tried changing them and it doesn't work. I consider this a basic fact. 2. You have a great deal of control over your ability to learn. If you aren't big time into learning, then I recommend catching some enthusiasm for it. 3. There will be always be good and bad tech leads. I am a tech lead; I try to be a good one. I can put a String to standard out or standard error! ;-) 4. I had the same frustrations that you have. I made the decision that the best way to restore the balance of good in the universe, was to try to become the kind of tech lead that I would have wanted when I was a newbie/humble grunt. I teach a class on learning Java one lunchtime a week and try to bestow a little wisdom and encouragement whenever I can. I am a Java mentor here and I lead a study group of us that are seeking our Java Certification. 5. No one reads documentation. This is a fact. Learn what is drop dead fired and escorted from the building important and then try to auto-generate it. :-) 6. Leadership is a rare commodity. There's a lot of management out there, but precious little leadership. Again, deal with it. Become a leader and just do what needs to be done. This is what I have tended to do. The ol' saying about it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission is very true (except I sometimes forget to ask for forgiveness! :-) 7. Black team? How 90's, Our team wears Hawaiian shirts! (Honest. :-) Simon -Original Message- From: P K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 3:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage Sorry to continue on this topic. I've learnt a great deal of non struts stuff on this list and this only adds to it. I've been bothered (mostly in my mind) with questions about peoples capabilities and desires when it comes to work. Viru, this original poster of the question on Memory Usage clearly has a desire to learn, but what about people who don't? How do you deal with them? I currently work with a Tech Lead who wouldn't be able to output a String to standard out if asked to write a program. I don't care about her taking credit for the work that we do. She doesn't provide any leadership whatsoever to the project except produce paper that no one bothers to read. Have you guys come across situations like this? What have you done about it? Don't get me wrong - I am not prone to complaining nor do I think I am a member of the elite 'Black Team'. Quoting Dhaliwal, Pritpal (HQP) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: +1 I agree with everyone who has responded. We should not clutter this very friendly mailing list with things that don't belong here, that includes not so nice responses. I haven't been on many, but this is by far my favorite list, even though I am mainly a spectator. I lashed out because this question clearly didn't belong here. If the person had followed anything in http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html, it must that they were polite. They certainly didn't do much investigation outside on the internet. The little bit of unfriendliness, I dunno why it came out. Unprofessional, it shouldn't have came out. Even questions that don't belong here deserve to be treated with respect. That is the single most obvious characteristic of STRUTS-USER that is distinctive (even though it has lots of other good qualities). Unfortunately, you decided to unload on a poster in a manner that is decidedly out of the norm for STRUTS-USER. Your response is the kind of behavior that creates problems for the perception of open source projects as being friendly to users or not. If you think the topic is totally out of scope for STRUTS-USER, then you should either (a) answer the question anyway but point people to where they should really be asking; (b) *gently* encourage the user
RE: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage)
Of course, it's possible to take that to the extreme. The first place where I worked when I moved to America, was so small that I was the IS department! :-) Simon -Original Message- From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 9:47 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage) Ive found the best way to avoid those kind of morons is to work at small companies where any deadwood has nowhere to hide and is quickly pruned :-) Our tech leads really know their stuff here. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage)
When I was fresh out of uni - back before the turn of the century, I interviewed for a position like that. Didnt get it, but one of the things they tested me was for typing speed (I scored 60wpm as I recall. Reckon I could better that nowdays though!) It was one of those small seceratial outsourcing companies (who needed someone to manage their network and software and such like) so I guess the idea of interviewing anyone without giving them a typing test was simply heretical. Pity, I reckon that could have been a fun job. -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2004 22:08 To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage) Of course, it's possible to take that to the extreme. The first place where I worked when I moved to America, was so small that I was the IS department! :-) Simon -Original Message- From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 9:47 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage) Ive found the best way to avoid those kind of morons is to work at small companies where any deadwood has nowhere to hide and is quickly pruned :-) Our tech leads really know their stuff here. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage)
so you reckon that hinting to my Manager, whom we both report to, about my frustrations isn't going to help much? Thanks for the suggestion about the small company though. Looking back, the most fun I had at work was working for a small company. Simons, Your suggestion # 4 is great nad #5 really interesting. Thanks. Andrew Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ive found the best way to avoid those kind of morons is to work at small companies where any deadwood has nowhere to hide and is quickly pruned :-) Our tech leads really know their stuff here. -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2004 06:28 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage) While the original flame war was less helpful, the question that has emerged from it's ashes is a good one. I don't claim to have all the answers, but I can offer some personal observations. Feel free to disagree. 1. You can do nothing about those who choose not to learn. I've tried changing them and it doesn't work. I consider this a basic fact. 2. You have a great deal of control over your ability to learn. If you aren't big time into learning, then I recommend catching some enthusiasm for it. 3. There will be always be good and bad tech leads. I am a tech lead; I try to be a good one. I can put a String to standard out or standard error! ;-) 4. I had the same frustrations that you have. I made the decision that the best way to restore the balance of good in the universe, was to try to become the kind of tech lead that I would have wanted when I was a newbie/humble grunt. I teach a class on learning Java one lunchtime a week and try to bestow a little wisdom and encouragement whenever I can. I am a Java mentor here and I lead a study group of us that are seeking our Java Certification. 5. No one reads documentation. This is a fact. Learn what is drop dead fired and escorted from the building important and then try to auto-generate it. :-) 6. Leadership is a rare commodity. There's a lot of management out there, but precious little leadership. Again, deal with it. Become a leader and just do what needs to be done. This is what I have tended to do. The ol' saying about it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission is very true (except I sometimes forget to ask for forgiveness! :-) 7. Black team? How 90's, Our team wears Hawaiian shirts! (Honest. :-) Simon -Original Message- From: P K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 3:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage Sorry to continue on this topic. I've learnt a great deal of non struts stuff on this list and this only adds to it. I've been bothered (mostly in my mind) with questions about peoples capabilities and desires when it comes to work. Viru, this original poster of the question on Memory Usage clearly has a desire to learn, but what about people who don't? How do you deal with them? I currently work with a Tech Lead who wouldn't be able to output a String to standard out if asked to write a program. I don't care about her taking credit for the work that we do. She doesn't provide any leadership whatsoever to the project except produce paper that no one bothers to read. Have you guys come across situations like this? What have you done about it? Don't get me wrong - I am not prone to complaining nor do I think I am a member of the elite 'Black Team'. Quoting Dhaliwal, Pritpal (HQP) : +1 I agree with everyone who has responded. We should not clutter this very friendly mailing list with things that don't belong here, that includes not so nice responses. I haven't been on many, but this is by far my favorite list, even though I am mainly a spectator. I lashed out because this question clearly didn't belong here. If the person had followed anything in http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html, it must that they were polite. They certainly didn't do much investigation outside on the internet. The little bit of unfriendliness, I dunno why it came out. Unprofessional, it shouldn't have came out. Even questions that don't belong here deserve to be treated with respect. That is the single most obvious characteristic of STRUTS-USER that is distinctive (even though it has lots of other good qualities). Unfortunately, you decided to unload on a poster in a manner that is decidedly out of the norm for STRUTS-USER. Your response is the kind of behavior that creates problems for the perception of open source projects as being friendly to users or not. If you think the topic is totally out of scope for STRUTS-USER, then you should either (a) answer the question anyway but point people to where they should really be asking; (b) *gently* encourage the user to explore the other resources that are available (the archives are full of examples of folks who have done this), or (c) shut your
Re: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage)
Interesting point about tech leads.. I agree wholeheartedly I specifically have agree with enthusiasm for learning new technologies/methodologies I would also add Must ensure product works on all client platforms You would be surprised how much software is shipped without any testing or consideration for the user's environment ~My 2 cents~ Martin Gainty - Original Message - From: P K [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:50 AM Subject: RE: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage) so you reckon that hinting to my Manager, whom we both report to, about my frustrations isn't going to help much? Thanks for the suggestion about the small company though. Looking back, the most fun I had at work was working for a small company. Simons, Your suggestion # 4 is great nad #5 really interesting. Thanks. Andrew Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ive found the best way to avoid those kind of morons is to work at small companies where any deadwood has nowhere to hide and is quickly pruned :-) Our tech leads really know their stuff here. -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2004 06:28 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage) While the original flame war was less helpful, the question that has emerged from it's ashes is a good one. I don't claim to have all the answers, but I can offer some personal observations. Feel free to disagree. 1. You can do nothing about those who choose not to learn. I've tried changing them and it doesn't work. I consider this a basic fact. 2. You have a great deal of control over your ability to learn. If you aren't big time into learning, then I recommend catching some enthusiasm for it. 3. There will be always be good and bad tech leads. I am a tech lead; I try to be a good one. I can put a String to standard out or standard error! ;-) 4. I had the same frustrations that you have. I made the decision that the best way to restore the balance of good in the universe, was to try to become the kind of tech lead that I would have wanted when I was a newbie/humble grunt. I teach a class on learning Java one lunchtime a week and try to bestow a little wisdom and encouragement whenever I can. I am a Java mentor here and I lead a study group of us that are seeking our Java Certification. 5. No one reads documentation. This is a fact. Learn what is drop dead fired and escorted from the building important and then try to auto-generate it. :-) 6. Leadership is a rare commodity. There's a lot of management out there, but precious little leadership. Again, deal with it. Become a leader and just do what needs to be done. This is what I have tended to do. The ol' saying about it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission is very true (except I sometimes forget to ask for forgiveness! :-) 7. Black team? How 90's, Our team wears Hawaiian shirts! (Honest. :-) Simon -Original Message- From: P K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 3:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage Sorry to continue on this topic. I've learnt a great deal of non struts stuff on this list and this only adds to it. I've been bothered (mostly in my mind) with questions about peoples capabilities and desires when it comes to work. Viru, this original poster of the question on Memory Usage clearly has a desire to learn, but what about people who don't? How do you deal with them? I currently work with a Tech Lead who wouldn't be able to output a String to standard out if asked to write a program. I don't care about her taking credit for the work that we do. She doesn't provide any leadership whatsoever to the project except produce paper that no one bothers to read. Have you guys come across situations like this? What have you done about it? Don't get me wrong - I am not prone to complaining nor do I think I am a member of the elite 'Black Team'. Quoting Dhaliwal, Pritpal (HQP) : +1 I agree with everyone who has responded. We should not clutter this very friendly mailing list with things that don't belong here, that includes not so nice responses. I haven't been on many, but this is by far my favorite list, even though I am mainly a spectator. I lashed out because this question clearly didn't belong here. If the person had followed anything in http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html, it must that they were polite. They certainly didn't do much investigation outside on the internet. The little bit of unfriendliness, I dunno why it came out. Unprofessional, it shouldn't have came out. Even questions that don't belong here deserve to be treated with respect. That is the single most obvious
Re: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage)
+1 On action alone be thy interest, Never on its fruits. Let not the fruits of action be thy motive, Nor be thy attachment to inaction. - Bhagavad Gita (250 BC - 250 AD), Chapter 2 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/8487868.cms --- atta-ur rehman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 ATTA On Mar 1, 2004, at 8:19 PM, Vic Cekvenich wrote: -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. I had the same frustrations that you have. I made the decision that the best way to restore the balance of good in the universe, was to try to become the kind of tech lead that I would have wanted when I was a newbie/humble grunt. +1 .V - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage)
Good point about the testing. I didn't mention it because I was responding to specific issues in the original email, but testing is everything. Your end-user/customer will not care if you used all the trendy GoF patterns, if the software doesn't work. The software must work. Testing is the best way that we have at this time of ensuring that. Thus we have: Simon's 1st of Software Development: Working code trumps everything. Learn it, live it , love it. There will be a test (pun intended! :-) Simon -Original Message- From: Martin Gainty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:18 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage) Interesting point about tech leads.. I agree wholeheartedly I specifically have agree with enthusiasm for learning new technologies/methodologies I would also add Must ensure product works on all client platforms You would be surprised how much software is shipped without any testing or consideration for the user's environment ~My 2 cents~ Martin Gainty - Original Message - From: P K [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:50 AM Subject: RE: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage) so you reckon that hinting to my Manager, whom we both report to, about my frustrations isn't going to help much? Thanks for the suggestion about the small company though. Looking back, the most fun I had at work was working for a small company. Simons, Your suggestion # 4 is great nad #5 really interesting. Thanks. Andrew Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ive found the best way to avoid those kind of morons is to work at small companies where any deadwood has nowhere to hide and is quickly pruned :-) Our tech leads really know their stuff here. -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2004 06:28 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage) While the original flame war was less helpful, the question that has emerged from it's ashes is a good one. I don't claim to have all the answers, but I can offer some personal observations. Feel free to disagree. 1. You can do nothing about those who choose not to learn. I've tried changing them and it doesn't work. I consider this a basic fact. 2. You have a great deal of control over your ability to learn. If you aren't big time into learning, then I recommend catching some enthusiasm for it. 3. There will be always be good and bad tech leads. I am a tech lead; I try to be a good one. I can put a String to standard out or standard error! ;-) 4. I had the same frustrations that you have. I made the decision that the best way to restore the balance of good in the universe, was to try to become the kind of tech lead that I would have wanted when I was a newbie/humble grunt. I teach a class on learning Java one lunchtime a week and try to bestow a little wisdom and encouragement whenever I can. I am a Java mentor here and I lead a study group of us that are seeking our Java Certification. 5. No one reads documentation. This is a fact. Learn what is drop dead fired and escorted from the building important and then try to auto-generate it. :-) 6. Leadership is a rare commodity. There's a lot of management out there, but precious little leadership. Again, deal with it. Become a leader and just do what needs to be done. This is what I have tended to do. The ol' saying about it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission is very true (except I sometimes forget to ask for forgiveness! :-) 7. Black team? How 90's, Our team wears Hawaiian shirts! (Honest. :-) Simon -Original Message- From: P K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 3:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage Sorry to continue on this topic. I've learnt a great deal of non struts stuff on this list and this only adds to it. I've been bothered (mostly in my mind) with questions about peoples capabilities and desires when it comes to work. Viru, this original poster of the question on Memory Usage clearly has a desire to learn, but what about people who don't? How do you deal with them? I currently work with a Tech Lead who wouldn't be able to output a String to standard out if asked to write a program. I don't care about her taking credit for the work that we do. She doesn't provide any leadership whatsoever to the project except produce paper that no one bothers to read. Have you guys come across situations like this? What have you done about it? Don't get me wrong - I am not prone to complaining nor do I think I am a member of the elite 'Black Team'. Quoting Dhaliwal, Pritpal (HQP
RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage
Sorry to continue on this topic. I've learnt a great deal of non struts stuff on this list and this only adds to it. I've been bothered (mostly in my mind) with questions about peoples capabilities and desires when it comes to work. Viru, this original poster of the question on Memory Usage clearly has a desire to learn, but what about people who don't? How do you deal with them? I currently work with a Tech Lead who wouldn't be able to output a String to standard out if asked to write a program. I don't care about her taking credit for the work that we do. She doesn't provide any leadership whatsoever to the project except produce paper that no one bothers to read. Have you guys come across situations like this? What have you done about it? Don't get me wrong - I am not prone to complaining nor do I think I am a member of the elite 'Black Team'. Quoting Dhaliwal, Pritpal (HQP) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: +1 I agree with everyone who has responded. We should not clutter this very friendly mailing list with things that don't belong here, that includes not so nice responses. I haven't been on many, but this is by far my favorite list, even though I am mainly a spectator. I lashed out because this question clearly didn't belong here. If the person had followed anything in http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html, it must that they were polite. They certainly didn't do much investigation outside on the internet. The little bit of unfriendliness, I dunno why it came out. Unprofessional, it shouldn't have came out. Even questions that don't belong here deserve to be treated with respect. That is the single most obvious characteristic of STRUTS-USER that is distinctive (even though it has lots of other good qualities). Unfortunately, you decided to unload on a poster in a manner that is decidedly out of the norm for STRUTS-USER. Your response is the kind of behavior that creates problems for the perception of open source projects as being friendly to users or not. If you think the topic is totally out of scope for STRUTS-USER, then you should either (a) answer the question anyway but point people to where they should really be asking; (b) *gently* encourage the user to explore the other resources that are available (the archives are full of examples of folks who have done this), or (c) shut your yap and press DELETE instead of SUBMIT on your replies :-). The culture of the STRUTS-USER list has always been *deliberately* different from the you idiot, how could you be so stupid as to ask that question in that way sort of attitude that far too many open source projects have. Fortunately, despite the fact that this is the most-subscribed-to user list at Jakarta (ten short of 3000 at the moment), the occurrences of rude behavior are so rare that they immediately attract notice for being out of character for what we're trying to achieve :-). I'd say that we've been doing a pretty good job maintaining a friendly, welcoming, and helpful community. I'd also like to keep it that way. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail
Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage)
While the original flame war was less helpful, the question that has emerged from it's ashes is a good one. I don't claim to have all the answers, but I can offer some personal observations. Feel free to disagree. 1. You can do nothing about those who choose not to learn. I've tried changing them and it doesn't work. I consider this a basic fact. 2. You have a great deal of control over your ability to learn. If you aren't big time into learning, then I recommend catching some enthusiasm for it. 3. There will be always be good and bad tech leads. I am a tech lead; I try to be a good one. I can put a String to standard out or standard error! ;-) 4. I had the same frustrations that you have. I made the decision that the best way to restore the balance of good in the universe, was to try to become the kind of tech lead that I would have wanted when I was a newbie/humble grunt. I teach a class on learning Java one lunchtime a week and try to bestow a little wisdom and encouragement whenever I can. I am a Java mentor here and I lead a study group of us that are seeking our Java Certification. 5. No one reads documentation. This is a fact. Learn what is drop dead fired and escorted from the building important and then try to auto-generate it. :-) 6. Leadership is a rare commodity. There's a lot of management out there, but precious little leadership. Again, deal with it. Become a leader and just do what needs to be done. This is what I have tended to do. The ol' saying about it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission is very true (except I sometimes forget to ask for forgiveness! :-) 7. Black team? How 90's, Our team wears Hawaiian shirts! (Honest. :-) Simon -Original Message- From: P K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 3:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage Sorry to continue on this topic. I've learnt a great deal of non struts stuff on this list and this only adds to it. I've been bothered (mostly in my mind) with questions about peoples capabilities and desires when it comes to work. Viru, this original poster of the question on Memory Usage clearly has a desire to learn, but what about people who don't? How do you deal with them? I currently work with a Tech Lead who wouldn't be able to output a String to standard out if asked to write a program. I don't care about her taking credit for the work that we do. She doesn't provide any leadership whatsoever to the project except produce paper that no one bothers to read. Have you guys come across situations like this? What have you done about it? Don't get me wrong - I am not prone to complaining nor do I think I am a member of the elite 'Black Team'. Quoting Dhaliwal, Pritpal (HQP) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: +1 I agree with everyone who has responded. We should not clutter this very friendly mailing list with things that don't belong here, that includes not so nice responses. I haven't been on many, but this is by far my favorite list, even though I am mainly a spectator. I lashed out because this question clearly didn't belong here. If the person had followed anything in http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html, it must that they were polite. They certainly didn't do much investigation outside on the internet. The little bit of unfriendliness, I dunno why it came out. Unprofessional, it shouldn't have came out. Even questions that don't belong here deserve to be treated with respect. That is the single most obvious characteristic of STRUTS-USER that is distinctive (even though it has lots of other good qualities). Unfortunately, you decided to unload on a poster in a manner that is decidedly out of the norm for STRUTS-USER. Your response is the kind of behavior that creates problems for the perception of open source projects as being friendly to users or not. If you think the topic is totally out of scope for STRUTS-USER, then you should either (a) answer the question anyway but point people to where they should really be asking; (b) *gently* encourage the user to explore the other resources that are available (the archives are full of examples of folks who have done this), or (c) shut your yap and press DELETE instead of SUBMIT on your replies :-). The culture of the STRUTS-USER list has always been *deliberately* different from the you idiot, how could you be so stupid as to ask that question in that way sort of attitude that far too many open source projects have. Fortunately, despite the fact that this is the most-subscribed-to user list at Jakarta (ten short of 3000 at the moment), the occurrences of rude behavior are so rare that they immediately attract notice for being out of character for what we're trying to achieve :-). I'd say that we've been doing a pretty good job maintaining a friendly, welcoming, and helpful community. I'd also like to keep it that way. Craig
RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage
I think especially in large corporate environments, it can be very difficult to boil to the surface without stepping on toes. People have different ideas on what it means to work and what is acceptable code ;-) I have managers who only know the way things were done 5-10 years ago, but I'm very lucky in that they know that they have the business knowledge and the new blood has the technology knowledge. -Original Message- From: P K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 3:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage Sorry to continue on this topic. I've learnt a great deal of non struts stuff on this list and this only adds to it. I've been bothered (mostly in my mind) with questions about peoples capabilities and desires when it comes to work. Viru, this original poster of the question on Memory Usage clearly has a desire to learn, but what about people who don't? How do you deal with them? I currently work with a Tech Lead who wouldn't be able to output a String to standard out if asked to write a program. I don't care about her taking credit for the work that we do. She doesn't provide any leadership whatsoever to the project except produce paper that no one bothers to read. Have you guys come across situations like this? What have you done about it? Don't get me wrong - I am not prone to complaining nor do I think I am a member of the elite 'Black Team'. Quoting Dhaliwal, Pritpal (HQP) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: +1 I agree with everyone who has responded. We should not clutter this very friendly mailing list with things that don't belong here, that includes not so nice responses. I haven't been on many, but this is by far my favorite list, even though I am mainly a spectator. I lashed out because this question clearly didn't belong here. If the person had followed anything in http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html, it must that they were polite. They certainly didn't do much investigation outside on the internet. The little bit of unfriendliness, I dunno why it came out. Unprofessional, it shouldn't have came out. Even questions that don't belong here deserve to be treated with respect. That is the single most obvious characteristic of STRUTS-USER that is distinctive (even though it has lots of other good qualities). Unfortunately, you decided to unload on a poster in a manner that is decidedly out of the norm for STRUTS-USER. Your response is the kind of behavior that creates problems for the perception of open source projects as being friendly to users or not. If you think the topic is totally out of scope for STRUTS-USER, then you should either (a) answer the question anyway but point people to where they should really be asking; (b) *gently* encourage the user to explore the other resources that are available (the archives are full of examples of folks who have done this), or (c) shut your yap and press DELETE instead of SUBMIT on your replies :-). The culture of the STRUTS-USER list has always been *deliberately* different from the you idiot, how could you be so stupid as to ask that question in that way sort of attitude that far too many open source projects have. Fortunately, despite the fact that this is the most-subscribed-to user list at Jakarta (ten short of 3000 at the moment), the occurrences of rude behavior are so rare that they immediately attract notice for being out of character for what we're trying to achieve :-). I'd say that we've been doing a pretty good job maintaining a friendly, welcoming, and helpful community. I'd also like to keep it that way. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage)
Ive found the best way to avoid those kind of morons is to work at small companies where any deadwood has nowhere to hide and is quickly pruned :-) Our tech leads really know their stuff here. -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2004 06:28 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage) While the original flame war was less helpful, the question that has emerged from it's ashes is a good one. I don't claim to have all the answers, but I can offer some personal observations. Feel free to disagree. 1. You can do nothing about those who choose not to learn. I've tried changing them and it doesn't work. I consider this a basic fact. 2. You have a great deal of control over your ability to learn. If you aren't big time into learning, then I recommend catching some enthusiasm for it. 3. There will be always be good and bad tech leads. I am a tech lead; I try to be a good one. I can put a String to standard out or standard error! ;-) 4. I had the same frustrations that you have. I made the decision that the best way to restore the balance of good in the universe, was to try to become the kind of tech lead that I would have wanted when I was a newbie/humble grunt. I teach a class on learning Java one lunchtime a week and try to bestow a little wisdom and encouragement whenever I can. I am a Java mentor here and I lead a study group of us that are seeking our Java Certification. 5. No one reads documentation. This is a fact. Learn what is drop dead fired and escorted from the building important and then try to auto-generate it. :-) 6. Leadership is a rare commodity. There's a lot of management out there, but precious little leadership. Again, deal with it. Become a leader and just do what needs to be done. This is what I have tended to do. The ol' saying about it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission is very true (except I sometimes forget to ask for forgiveness! :-) 7. Black team? How 90's, Our team wears Hawaiian shirts! (Honest. :-) Simon -Original Message- From: P K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 3:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage Sorry to continue on this topic. I've learnt a great deal of non struts stuff on this list and this only adds to it. I've been bothered (mostly in my mind) with questions about peoples capabilities and desires when it comes to work. Viru, this original poster of the question on Memory Usage clearly has a desire to learn, but what about people who don't? How do you deal with them? I currently work with a Tech Lead who wouldn't be able to output a String to standard out if asked to write a program. I don't care about her taking credit for the work that we do. She doesn't provide any leadership whatsoever to the project except produce paper that no one bothers to read. Have you guys come across situations like this? What have you done about it? Don't get me wrong - I am not prone to complaining nor do I think I am a member of the elite 'Black Team'. Quoting Dhaliwal, Pritpal (HQP) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: +1 I agree with everyone who has responded. We should not clutter this very friendly mailing list with things that don't belong here, that includes not so nice responses. I haven't been on many, but this is by far my favorite list, even though I am mainly a spectator. I lashed out because this question clearly didn't belong here. If the person had followed anything in http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html, it must that they were polite. They certainly didn't do much investigation outside on the internet. The little bit of unfriendliness, I dunno why it came out. Unprofessional, it shouldn't have came out. Even questions that don't belong here deserve to be treated with respect. That is the single most obvious characteristic of STRUTS-USER that is distinctive (even though it has lots of other good qualities). Unfortunately, you decided to unload on a poster in a manner that is decidedly out of the norm for STRUTS-USER. Your response is the kind of behavior that creates problems for the perception of open source projects as being friendly to users or not. If you think the topic is totally out of scope for STRUTS-USER, then you should either (a) answer the question anyway but point people to where they should really be asking; (b) *gently* encourage the user to explore the other resources that are available (the archives are full of examples of folks who have done this), or (c) shut your yap and press DELETE instead of SUBMIT on your replies :-). The culture of the STRUTS-USER list has always been *deliberately* different from the you idiot, how could you be so stupid as to ask that question in that way sort of attitude that far too many open source projects have. Fortunately, despite the fact that this is the most-subscribed
Re: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage)
-Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. I had the same frustrations that you have. I made the decision that the best way to restore the balance of good in the universe, was to try to become the kind of tech lead that I would have wanted when I was a newbie/humble grunt. +1 .V - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage)
+1 ATTA On Mar 1, 2004, at 8:19 PM, Vic Cekvenich wrote: -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. I had the same frustrations that you have. I made the decision that the best way to restore the balance of good in the universe, was to try to become the kind of tech lead that I would have wanted when I was a newbie/humble grunt. +1 .V - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] RE: Memory usage
+1 What's happening to the struts mailing list? Of late people have been more than willing to crucify users for any reason. I remember this mailing list being one of the friendliest mailing lists. Appreciate your post very much Christian; very well said. Lets not clutter this list by posting demeaning replies. (My two cents). (Apologies for reposting a question in the past without giving enough time for an answer, anxiety got the better of me!) -anand stephen. - Original Message - From: atta-ur rehman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [OT] RE: Memory usage +1 ATTA - Original Message - From: Christian Bollmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [OT] RE: Memory usage On Thursday 26 February 2004 20:12, Dhaliwal, Pritpal (HQP) wrote: Now. Still remember when you wrote your first crappy lines you proudly called a 'program'? *That* exactly is what we all started from, considering me: nearly 23 years ago on a little ZX81 box, doing my first steps in Assembler. YMMV. And how I was proud. A long time has passed since then, and I have seens lots of crappy code in- between, but whenever I get proud again about what I've done or achieved since then, one millisecond before I remember how lousy I started once and keep my mouth shut in humility, just in time. This, obviously, is still a lesson you have to learn, but I can tell you: one of many things that separates the good from the possibly-not-so-good is a certain difference in attitude. So it would have sufficed to politely mention that there are tools for testing code efficiency (nowadays) and that this forum may not be the best place to ask for answers. All the rest is rather irrelevant, including your insulting assumptions about code you never saw or the people behind it. You think you're good or better? I tell you: from this mail alone I can tell you have still a long way to go to be regarded as a member of the 'Black Team', and in your obviously long professional career, you certainly have read 'Peopleware' once and know what I'm talking about here. HTH, -- Chris. And never say HTH if you intentionally provide a snake when someone asks you for a fish. Viru Bhai, No, You code is not good or optimized. You have problems follwing instructions. Your question is not related to struts and you didn't put OT in the subject. Even if you put OT in subject, It would still be a bad question because that's not what this list is discussing. Primary reason I believe your code is not good and optimized is because you don't have enough knowledge about how to prove it. Most likely your code is as good as the question you asked. You probably want to look at profilers and code coverage tools do you proving. If I was you, I would seriously read a Java book. Maybe a Java optimization book too. Hope This Helps, Pritpal Dhaliwal P.s. Is it Friday yet? -Original Message- From: virupaksha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 2:46 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Memory usage Dear All, I have a requirement, where i need to stop garbage collection, is there any way to implement? Because, I need to judge our code is good and optimized, I need some ray of hope Thanks in advance, Viru - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage
+1 I agree with everyone who has responded. We should not clutter this very friendly mailing list with things that don't belong here, that includes not so nice responses. I haven't been on many, but this is by far my favorite list, even though I am mainly a spectator. I lashed out because this question clearly didn't belong here. If the person had followed anything in http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html, it must that they were polite. They certainly didn't do much investigation outside on the internet. The little bit of unfriendliness, I dunno why it came out. Unprofessional, it shouldn't have came out. What's happening to the struts mailing list? Of late people have been more than willing to crucify users for any reason. I think its because sometimes(or more recently) people ask/ed questions that clearly don't belong on this list. On top of that, it shows that they have not put in any effort to get the answer, before asking the question here. In this case, I am sure there are tons of people on this mailing list who would love to talk about java gc, but question just wasn't asked right, at the right place. And Christian, thanks a lot for those words of wisdom, knocking my senses back in. I am proud of the first helloworld I wrote,and stuff I have written, be it good or bad. I give my best to what I do. I am probably not close to being part of the Black Team , and don't know what peopleware(but will check google) is, I think I have long ways to go. My next would-be not so nice reply would be a nice one. Well done Christian. Regards, Pritpal Dhaliwal -Original Message- From: Anand Stephen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 1:20 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] RE: Memory usage +1 What's happening to the struts mailing list? Of late people have been more than willing to crucify users for any reason. I remember this mailing list being one of the friendliest mailing lists. Appreciate your post very much Christian; very well said. Lets not clutter this list by posting demeaning replies. (My two cents). (Apologies for reposting a question in the past without giving enough time for an answer, anxiety got the better of me!) -anand stephen. - Original Message - From: atta-ur rehman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [OT] RE: Memory usage +1 ATTA - Original Message - From: Christian Bollmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [OT] RE: Memory usage On Thursday 26 February 2004 20:12, Dhaliwal, Pritpal (HQP) wrote: Now. Still remember when you wrote your first crappy lines you proudly called a 'program'? *That* exactly is what we all started from, considering me: nearly 23 years ago on a little ZX81 box, doing my first steps in Assembler. YMMV. And how I was proud. A long time has passed since then, and I have seens lots of crappy code in- between, but whenever I get proud again about what I've done or achieved since then, one millisecond before I remember how lousy I started once and keep my mouth shut in humility, just in time. This, obviously, is still a lesson you have to learn, but I can tell you: one of many things that separates the good from the possibly-not-so-good is a certain difference in attitude. So it would have sufficed to politely mention that there are tools for testing code efficiency (nowadays) and that this forum may not be the best place to ask for answers. All the rest is rather irrelevant, including your insulting assumptions about code you never saw or the people behind it. You think you're good or better? I tell you: from this mail alone I can tell you have still a long way to go to be regarded as a member of the 'Black Team', and in your obviously long professional career, you certainly have read 'Peopleware' once and know what I'm talking about here. HTH, -- Chris. And never say HTH if you intentionally provide a snake when someone asks you for a fish. Viru Bhai, No, You code is not good or optimized. You have problems follwing instructions. Your question is not related to struts and you didn't put OT in the subject. Even if you put OT in subject, It would still be a bad question because that's not what this list is discussing. Primary reason I believe your code is not good and optimized is because you don't have enough knowledge about how to prove it. Most likely your code is as good as the question you asked. You probably want to look at profilers and code coverage tools do you proving. If I was you, I would seriously read a Java book. Maybe a Java optimization book too. Hope This Helps, Pritpal Dhaliwal P.s. Is it Friday yet
Re: [OT] RE: Memory usage
On Friday 27 February 2004 19:53, Dhaliwal, Pritpal (HQP) wrote: Ah, you're welcome. Everybody makes mistakes, me too, as did Viru possibly. I certainly did a lot more mistakes in this direction when I was younger. Still, Viru had a problem and searched for 'rays of hope' here. Now, it might well have been the wrong forum, but it's still a problem everyone might be confronted with over time: you have an app and it behaves unsatisfactorily somehow. Then you're just at the wrong end of the gun; I know the feelings one has in such a situation. Well, the list may be about Struts in the first place, but most of us are experienced developers who don't do only Struts, but have a much more wide- spread focus, so if we can be of help, we should forget about formal directions and just use our experience to help those facing an infavorable situation to 'save their faces' if we can. Each of us could be in a situation like this one day, too. Alas. Your current post shows you have the courage to recognize mistakes and stand to your deeds. Well, not everybody would have done that. IMHO this clearly deserves respect. Now. A final end to all these sad things and back to work. Well, 'Peopleware' is a famous book about common mistakes in software development, with the first version released in 1989, but things obviously have stayed more or less the same over time. There are many interesting things in this book, and most of them I found to be just correct when compared to my personal experiences over time. IMHO a book everyone who is responsible (in any role) for IT projects should have read once, at least. Basically, it just says your goal should be to form 'jelled' teams and treat them in a human way. Plus, you have to provide the en- vironment for that. The 'Black Team', which existed in reality, is an example of how good developers working to- gether can make a team become something bigger than the sum of its parts. They customarily wore black, hence the term 'Black Team', and were considered 'Gurus' other- wise, but kept humble still, being just proud to be part of this special team. A certain attitude and a diffe- rence in stance. Then, if someone is good, respect will come automa- tically. You don't have to make a fuss about it. That's the difference. Real gurus don't talk or judge, they just do. -- Chris. But as I get the chance here to add something to my recent posts: Well, I was focused on execution times. The same is true, of course, in case of memory consumption. There is no way to 'switch off' GC. But there typically are 'hotspots' in terms of memory consumption, i.e. where a lot of Objects are created. Then, trace your code and check if it retains unneeded strong references which hinder GC from reclaiming their memory space. There are certain pitfalls, in particular when dealing with arrays or Collections, but the overall matter is too complex to lay it out in full here. -- CLIP - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage
Quoting Dhaliwal, Pritpal (HQP) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: +1 I agree with everyone who has responded. We should not clutter this very friendly mailing list with things that don't belong here, that includes not so nice responses. I haven't been on many, but this is by far my favorite list, even though I am mainly a spectator. I lashed out because this question clearly didn't belong here. If the person had followed anything in http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html, it must that they were polite. They certainly didn't do much investigation outside on the internet. The little bit of unfriendliness, I dunno why it came out. Unprofessional, it shouldn't have came out. Even questions that don't belong here deserve to be treated with respect. That is the single most obvious characteristic of STRUTS-USER that is distinctive (even though it has lots of other good qualities). Unfortunately, you decided to unload on a poster in a manner that is decidedly out of the norm for STRUTS-USER. Your response is the kind of behavior that creates problems for the perception of open source projects as being friendly to users or not. If you think the topic is totally out of scope for STRUTS-USER, then you should either (a) answer the question anyway but point people to where they should really be asking; (b) *gently* encourage the user to explore the other resources that are available (the archives are full of examples of folks who have done this), or (c) shut your yap and press DELETE instead of SUBMIT on your replies :-). The culture of the STRUTS-USER list has always been *deliberately* different from the you idiot, how could you be so stupid as to ask that question in that way sort of attitude that far too many open source projects have. Fortunately, despite the fact that this is the most-subscribed-to user list at Jakarta (ten short of 3000 at the moment), the occurrences of rude behavior are so rare that they immediately attract notice for being out of character for what we're trying to achieve :-). I'd say that we've been doing a pretty good job maintaining a friendly, welcoming, and helpful community. I'd also like to keep it that way. Craig McClanahan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] RE: Memory usage
On Thursday 26 February 2004 20:12, Dhaliwal, Pritpal (HQP) wrote: Now. Still remember when you wrote your first crappy lines you proudly called a 'program'? *That* exactly is what we all started from, considering me: nearly 23 years ago on a little ZX81 box, doing my first steps in Assembler. YMMV. And how I was proud. A long time has passed since then, and I have seens lots of crappy code in- between, but whenever I get proud again about what I've done or achieved since then, one millisecond before I remember how lousy I started once and keep my mouth shut in humility, just in time. This, obviously, is still a lesson you have to learn, but I can tell you: one of many things that separates the good from the possibly-not-so-good is a certain difference in attitude. So it would have sufficed to politely mention that there are tools for testing code efficiency (nowadays) and that this forum may not be the best place to ask for answers. All the rest is rather irrelevant, including your insulting assumptions about code you never saw or the people behind it. You think you're good or better? I tell you: from this mail alone I can tell you have still a long way to go to be regarded as a member of the 'Black Team', and in your obviously long professional career, you certainly have read 'Peopleware' once and know what I'm talking about here. HTH, -- Chris. And never say HTH if you intentionally provide a snake when someone asks you for a fish. Viru Bhai, No, You code is not good or optimized. You have problems follwing instructions. Your question is not related to struts and you didn't put OT in the subject. Even if you put OT in subject, It would still be a bad question because that's not what this list is discussing. Primary reason I believe your code is not good and optimized is because you don't have enough knowledge about how to prove it. Most likely your code is as good as the question you asked. You probably want to look at profilers and code coverage tools do you proving. If I was you, I would seriously read a Java book. Maybe a Java optimization book too. Hope This Helps, Pritpal Dhaliwal P.s. Is it Friday yet? -Original Message- From: virupaksha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 2:46 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Memory usage Dear All, I have a requirement, where i need to stop garbage collection, is there any way to implement? Because, I need to judge our code is good and optimized, I need some ray of hope Thanks in advance, Viru - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] RE: Memory usage
+1 ATTA - Original Message - From: Christian Bollmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [OT] RE: Memory usage On Thursday 26 February 2004 20:12, Dhaliwal, Pritpal (HQP) wrote: Now. Still remember when you wrote your first crappy lines you proudly called a 'program'? *That* exactly is what we all started from, considering me: nearly 23 years ago on a little ZX81 box, doing my first steps in Assembler. YMMV. And how I was proud. A long time has passed since then, and I have seens lots of crappy code in- between, but whenever I get proud again about what I've done or achieved since then, one millisecond before I remember how lousy I started once and keep my mouth shut in humility, just in time. This, obviously, is still a lesson you have to learn, but I can tell you: one of many things that separates the good from the possibly-not-so-good is a certain difference in attitude. So it would have sufficed to politely mention that there are tools for testing code efficiency (nowadays) and that this forum may not be the best place to ask for answers. All the rest is rather irrelevant, including your insulting assumptions about code you never saw or the people behind it. You think you're good or better? I tell you: from this mail alone I can tell you have still a long way to go to be regarded as a member of the 'Black Team', and in your obviously long professional career, you certainly have read 'Peopleware' once and know what I'm talking about here. HTH, -- Chris. And never say HTH if you intentionally provide a snake when someone asks you for a fish. Viru Bhai, No, You code is not good or optimized. You have problems follwing instructions. Your question is not related to struts and you didn't put OT in the subject. Even if you put OT in subject, It would still be a bad question because that's not what this list is discussing. Primary reason I believe your code is not good and optimized is because you don't have enough knowledge about how to prove it. Most likely your code is as good as the question you asked. You probably want to look at profilers and code coverage tools do you proving. If I was you, I would seriously read a Java book. Maybe a Java optimization book too. Hope This Helps, Pritpal Dhaliwal P.s. Is it Friday yet? -Original Message- From: virupaksha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 2:46 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Memory usage Dear All, I have a requirement, where i need to stop garbage collection, is there any way to implement? Because, I need to judge our code is good and optimized, I need some ray of hope Thanks in advance, Viru - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
