[freenet-support] Why is the development of the freenet project going so slow
Dennis Nezic wrote: > On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 04:47:09 +0100, bqz69 wrote: >> It is still quite difficult to use and setup for normal people. > > More details would help :P. In Gentoo Linux, I do "emerge freenet", and My main complain is, that is not possible to use Freenet anonymously for individual persons (without "friends"), which really is the main idea of Freenet. You are rigth, the very Freenet is very easy to install. But in order to use Freenet at fullest capabilities, you need tools like jSite - to publish your freesites FMS - to announce your freesites etc Freemail - freenet e-mail system These functions could be an integrated part of Freenet, as they are imperative to have - and they are not very easy to setup - I have made a Freenet minihowto (www.minihowto.org), and I can assure you it was not very easy for me to pin it all together about how to use a Freenet system. The Freenet program might be something like one combined GUI (Graphic User Interface) where everything could be done, in order to use Freenet at its maximum capabilities - that's my dream. I like -and admire the people who have made Freenet, but it just seems to me, as if the project is not developing very much at the moment - and I had a small hope, that my thread might awaken some ideas - that's all!
[freenet-support] Why is the development of the freenet project going so slow
On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:17:21 +0100, bqz69 wrote: > The Freenet program might be something like one combined GUI (Graphic > User Interface) where everything could be done, in order to use > Freenet at its maximum capabilities - that's my dream. What you are dreaming of is an entire newbie-freenet-platform, complete with newbie publishing tools (that power users would hate), and newbie newsgroup tools, and a newbie email client, etc etc. The reason why Toad et al will never do that is because it is simply too ambitious :) --there is /plenty/ of work that needs to be done on the invisible internals already. Moreover, why lock users into a single publishing tool (like jSite), or a single newsreader/email client, etc? Nevertheless, I do realize that that is precisely what is necessary if one wants to attract newbies. First of all, as long as it's all modular, and I can strip away all the guis and have a lean and barebones installation, I'm happy. But, second of all, you already can do what you're looking for :). It's essentially a packaging issue. Just make your own special B69FreenetPlatform installer that installs each of those components all pre-configured and integrated with one another :).
Re: [freenet-support] Why is the development of the freenet project going so slow
On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:17:21 +0100, bqz69 wrote: > The Freenet program might be something like one combined GUI (Graphic > User Interface) where everything could be done, in order to use > Freenet at its maximum capabilities - that's my dream. What you are dreaming of is an entire newbie-freenet-platform, complete with newbie publishing tools (that power users would hate), and newbie newsgroup tools, and a newbie email client, etc etc. The reason why Toad et al will never do that is because it is simply too ambitious :) --there is /plenty/ of work that needs to be done on the invisible internals already. Moreover, why lock users into a single publishing tool (like jSite), or a single newsreader/email client, etc? Nevertheless, I do realize that that is precisely what is necessary if one wants to attract newbies. First of all, as long as it's all modular, and I can strip away all the guis and have a lean and barebones installation, I'm happy. But, second of all, you already can do what you're looking for :). It's essentially a packaging issue. Just make your own special B69FreenetPlatform installer that installs each of those components all pre-configured and integrated with one another :). ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Why is the development of the freenet project going so slow
Dennis Nezic wrote: > On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 04:47:09 +0100, bqz69 wrote: >> It is still quite difficult to use and setup for normal people. > > More details would help :P. In Gentoo Linux, I do "emerge freenet", and My main complain is, that is not possible to use Freenet anonymously for individual persons (without "friends"), which really is the main idea of Freenet. You are rigth, the very Freenet is very easy to install. But in order to use Freenet at fullest capabilities, you need tools like jSite - to publish your freesites FMS - to announce your freesites etc Freemail - freenet e-mail system These functions could be an integrated part of Freenet, as they are imperative to have - and they are not very easy to setup - I have made a Freenet minihowto (www.minihowto.org), and I can assure you it was not very easy for me to pin it all together about how to use a Freenet system. The Freenet program might be something like one combined GUI (Graphic User Interface) where everything could be done, in order to use Freenet at its maximum capabilities - that's my dream. I like -and admire the people who have made Freenet, but it just seems to me, as if the project is not developing very much at the moment - and I had a small hope, that my thread might awaken some ideas - that's all! ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
[freenet-support] Why is the development of the freenet project going so slow
bqz69 wrote: > I was just wondering? > > I have tried out freenet for years, but it still seems not to be ready > for serious use by individual people, that is the huge group of ordinary > people out there on the Internet, who are in serious need for a Freenet. > > It can be used mostly only by small groups of smart people, who are more > or less programmers, really friends, closed groups or alike. > > I find freenet to be a very important project, for the freedom of speech > of the world, but freenet seems to have stopped up in its development. > > It is still quite difficult to use and setup for normal people, I find, > and not many people have "frinds" to exchange nodes with, in order to > become anonymous. > > The internet is in the middle of a very fast development phase, but > freenet just sits there more or less sleeping. > > I do not have any capabilities of programming myself, and is only a > possibly enduser of Freenet. > > Maybe some forces do not want Freenet to develop - or maybe it is really > only intended for small closed groups of people? > > Interested in hearing some comments *smile* Not many people having friends is really a weird comment seeing how social networking sites manage to gather people more and more. Even some anarchist sites that i know of are planning to release their social network portals, and that is incredible, seeing how you will have an argument with only two anarchists in the same room. - Volodya - -- http://eng.anarchopedia.org/ Anarchopedia, A Free Knowledge Portal http://www.freedomporn.org/ Freedom Porn, anarchist and activist smut "None of us are free until all of us are free."~ Mihail Bakunin
[freenet-support] Why is the development of the freenet project going so slow
On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 04:47:09 +0100, bqz69 wrote: > It is still quite difficult to use and setup for normal people. More details would help :P. In Gentoo Linux, I do "emerge freenet", and *done*. I have a running node ready to surf--err, maybe a quick wizard first :P. In Window$, I assume, you download the installer ball, double-click it, click Next a zillion times (as with any other installation), then you're done? So, if you're talking about the actual installation, how much easier would you like it to be? Have Micro$oft pre-package their OS with it? (I'm sure there are Linux distros that already do :P). If you mean using 3rd party programs on top of Freenet, well, that's a 3rd party issue :). But, again, you'll have to be more specific. I think you're /actually/ just frustrated that more people aren't using it yet, and need something to blame that on :P. I think tor is harder to setup and use, yet many more people seem to be using it. It could just be good (bad) ol' marketing--ie. tor has EFF behind it. Or perhaps most people don't yet see the benefits of the freenet approach, which does have substantial costs--slower surfing, more system resource load, until recently it required binary blobs (jvm), etc--in which case more government repression would certainly help us :). And since that is the natural inevitable cource of any coercive state, the future looks bright for freenet!
Re: [freenet-support] Why is the development of the freenet project going so slow
On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 04:47:09 +0100, bqz69 wrote: > It is still quite difficult to use and setup for normal people. More details would help :P. In Gentoo Linux, I do "emerge freenet", and *done*. I have a running node ready to surf--err, maybe a quick wizard first :P. In Window$, I assume, you download the installer ball, double-click it, click Next a zillion times (as with any other installation), then you're done? So, if you're talking about the actual installation, how much easier would you like it to be? Have Micro$oft pre-package their OS with it? (I'm sure there are Linux distros that already do :P). If you mean using 3rd party programs on top of Freenet, well, that's a 3rd party issue :). But, again, you'll have to be more specific. I think you're /actually/ just frustrated that more people aren't using it yet, and need something to blame that on :P. I think tor is harder to setup and use, yet many more people seem to be using it. It could just be good (bad) ol' marketing--ie. tor has EFF behind it. Or perhaps most people don't yet see the benefits of the freenet approach, which does have substantial costs--slower surfing, more system resource load, until recently it required binary blobs (jvm), etc--in which case more government repression would certainly help us :). And since that is the natural inevitable cource of any coercive state, the future looks bright for freenet! ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Why is the development of the freenet project going so slow
bqz69 wrote: > I was just wondering? > > I have tried out freenet for years, but it still seems not to be ready > for serious use by individual people, that is the huge group of ordinary > people out there on the Internet, who are in serious need for a Freenet. > > It can be used mostly only by small groups of smart people, who are more > or less programmers, really friends, closed groups or alike. > > I find freenet to be a very important project, for the freedom of speech > of the world, but freenet seems to have stopped up in its development. > > It is still quite difficult to use and setup for normal people, I find, > and not many people have "frinds" to exchange nodes with, in order to > become anonymous. > > The internet is in the middle of a very fast development phase, but > freenet just sits there more or less sleeping. > > I do not have any capabilities of programming myself, and is only a > possibly enduser of Freenet. > > Maybe some forces do not want Freenet to develop - or maybe it is really > only intended for small closed groups of people? > > Interested in hearing some comments *smile* Not many people having friends is really a weird comment seeing how social networking sites manage to gather people more and more. Even some anarchist sites that i know of are planning to release their social network portals, and that is incredible, seeing how you will have an argument with only two anarchists in the same room. - Volodya - -- http://eng.anarchopedia.org/ Anarchopedia, A Free Knowledge Portal http://www.freedomporn.org/ Freedom Porn, anarchist and activist smut "None of us are free until all of us are free."~ Mihail Bakunin ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
[freenet-support] Why is the development of the freenet project going so slow
I was just wondering? I have tried out freenet for years, but it still seems not to be ready for serious use by individual people, that is the huge group of ordinary people out there on the Internet, who are in serious need for a Freenet. It can be used mostly only by small groups of smart people, who are more or less programmers, really friends, closed groups or alike. I find freenet to be a very important project, for the freedom of speech of the world, but freenet seems to have stopped up in its development. It is still quite difficult to use and setup for normal people, I find, and not many people have "frinds" to exchange nodes with, in order to become anonymous. The internet is in the middle of a very fast development phase, but freenet just sits there more or less sleeping. I do not have any capabilities of programming myself, and is only a possibly enduser of Freenet. Maybe some forces do not want Freenet to develop - or maybe it is really only intended for small closed groups of people? Interested in hearing some comments *smile*
