Re: [freenet-support] Offline installer fails
On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Yfrwlf yfr...@gmail.com wrote: The problem is the existing common formats like DEB and RPM are too stupid and not set up right. They lack the flexibility to be able to do things like installing multiple versions of the same library or the same program side-by-side, one of the causes of the syndrome of Thou shalt only install ONE version of Firefox! If you want a newer one, upgrade your entire OS!, which is just ludicrous. The point is, all *sorts* of hell is caused because of the Linux packaging mess, and it effects both devs and users in harmful ways. You standardize on an intelligent, featureful system, and everybody wins. Gentoo allows that. Gentoo is also 100% completely customizable to fit even the most esoteric tastes. It even supports pre-compiled binary packages. Why aren't you using it, then? I only use systems which are cross-distro. You keep calling ZI yet another package manager, and I keep telling you that it isn't because it works on *any distro*, but you can't seem to grasp that. It's what makes ZI unique. Of course I can't force everyone to use the same package manager, but that isn't needed with ZI because it works alongside existing ones. Buy hey, perpetuate the existing fragmented confusing world of Linux packaging and wait until everyone starts using the same package manager if you want (something that will never happen since distros want exclusive repositories to leverage their distro with, even if it hurts the Linux community). So is there a ZI package yet? Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Offline installer fails
On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Yfrwlf yfr...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/12/2012 08:19 AM, Evan Daniel wrote: So is there a ZI package yet? That sounds nice, you could make the ZI package/feed depend on JDK so there were no longer any unfulfilled dependencies on the user's end regardless of platform, since it would be automatically installed. Instead of the existing installer, you could have some of those things done with a web-based first run setup wizard. Upgrades could be handled by ZI updates instead of custom updaters, too. I don't know if redoing all that is worth it in exchange for certain perks though, since Freenet has already implemented so many of its own systems to make up for not having those systems exist across platforms. Perhaps ZI is too late to the party. :) It's not too late. Personally, I don't care at all about ZI, but if end users find it useful, I'm for it. Please let me know when it's available :) Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Offline installer fails
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Yfrwlf yfr...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/20/2012 07:05 AM, Dennis Nezic wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 22:10:39 +1300, Austin wrote: Originally tried the JavaWebStart installer, and had problems with disk space. Moved /usr/local to a bigger partition, then downloaded the offline installer: http://freenet.googlecode.com/files/new_installer_offline_1405.jar as per the web site instructions; also the sig file new_installer_offline_1405.jar.sig which I verified with gpg. Then ran java -jar new_installer_offline.jar All went OK until Processing step 2/15, Setting the Updater up, which reported Process execution failed and asked Continue Anyway?. I continued, but every step after that failed. Cleared out the target directory and tried again, same result. Can't find any installation log, is there one somewhere? Grateful for any suggestions as to what to try next. System is Debian Linux 2.6, amd64 (Intel i7 870), 8GB RAM. Java OpenJDK 1.6.0_18 (Side note: Why isn't there a debian package for freenet yet?) Well with the only dependency being Java I could understand why there are no packages. If there needed to be though it should be Zero Install so that it's cross-distro and cross-platform. Using Zero Install won't make it so I can apt-get install freenet. That needs a Debian package, hosted on the Debian repositories. The request is for a Debian package on Debian repos, not to make it easier to install Freenet on Debian. Evan ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Wondering about darknets security
connection. Make them convince you they're a real live person who isn't a Bad Guy, and you've probably made yourself a difficult enough target that they'll go after someone easier. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] [freenet-dev] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1385
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: Freenet 0.7.5 build 1385 is now available, please upgrade. The main change is merging the store-io branch, aka slot filters. This is a replacement for the old datastore bloom filters. It keeps 4 bytes in memory for each slot in the datastore, indicating whether they are full and the first few bytes of the (hashed, salted) key. This is slightly smaller than the old bloom filters, but is kept on the heap, not memory mapped, so it will increase your memory limit in wrapper.conf slightly when you first run it. It should greatly reduce disk I/O, in particular disk reads caused by writing a block to the datastore. It will delete the old bloom filters and build the new slotfilter files, which will take some time, during which the node will be using the disk quite heavily, but after that it should be much reduced. Please let us know if there are any problems! There is also a new version of FlogHelper (which didn't work with the last build), a new load management fix and some minor stuff. Neat to see this feature going in :) Upgraded earlier today. I'm showing no writes to store, cache, or client cache since then (but yes to slashdot cache). This is true across all three key types, even on the nearly empty pubkey stores. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Temporary files error
On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 10:35 AM, 3BUIb3S50i 3buib3s...@gmail.com wrote: Since 1255, all my downloads 20MB failed with temporary files error when the node decompress the file to the download directory. In the wrapper, these failed downloads are marked BZip2 CRC error, and only a fraction of the file is decompressed. But these chunk of the supposed failed downloads are OK! I would like desactivate the new broken CRC control to decompress all the files. How about instead of adding more features to make a bad UI to work around trivial bugs, we fix the bugs... Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Fw: Inserts insert fine, but FCP never finishes
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: On Sunday 13 June 2010 14:52:17 Dennis Nezic wrote: episodi...@mtnvoeldfh6zd61fk1br94hikbkstf2xsmvqfts16lc wrote : episodi...@mtnvoeldfh6zd61fk1br94hikbkstf2xsmvqfts16lc wrote : ros...@mrdnrocaisdbhx3oqxnxsr2fhlrafrkk7wsoy9ecxdq wrote : Anybody else getting this? I insert via PutComplexDir using TogosFCP or jSite (0.6). My site inserts fully into freenet (I can download it, browse, it, etc.), but the FCP transaction never completes. jSite/Togos hang at 100%, waiting for FCP to give a finished message or some such, which never arrives. It seemed to start doing this after the recent update, but obviously I can't be sure if that's the issue. Single files work ok (KSK, CHK), as does a single-file SSK. However, if I upload a single file using a USK, it seems to hang. Just a hunch... Roscoe. Same here, since 1250 update. Funny thing is .. i was just about to post a anyone else? similar post, while a jSite freesite insert stucked at 100%. (i only tried jSite though, with hundred of inserted files per 'project'.) Yup, me too. I inserted the last edition of Now What? before I got the 1250 build and it worked fine. I inserted an edition of Linka shortly after 1250 came through and jSite has never completed since. My assumption is this is likely somehow connected to the USK changes and the insertion of date hints. Somebody please communicate this to Toad and co please. I posted something related to this on Freetalk earlier, but I'm not convinced anybody is paying much attention to Freetalk posts at the moment. This is fixed as of 1253. It does not seem to be. I still occasionally have inserts of my stats site that never finish. I start them via FCP, as persistent in the global queue. (The FCP client then disconnects.) They sometimes finish, and sometimes remain indefinitely, showing 100%?? status. Either way, the update is visible on Freenet as if the insert had succeeded. This has been occasionally present for some time now (well before 1250; I don't know exactly when). It still happens sometimes, but not always. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Uninstall Freenet
Masayuki Hatta appears to still be maintaining one: http://www.mhatta.org/blog/2010/02/17 Evan Daniel On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: On Wednesday 26 May 2010 04:58:02 Dennis Nezic wrote: Ubuntu doesn't have a freenet package?? No, we don't encourage official packaging at this point on any distribution which has any idea of stable software. I.e. gentoo-based distributions are welcome to package Freenet. ;) Unofficial debian/ubuntu packages are another matter, but at the moment we don't have any afaik. On Mon, 03 May 2010 22:43:51 +0800, Chris wrote: Gday, Could you please help me? I am trying to uninstall Freenet. Since installing Freenet, there is activity happening behind the scenes when the machine is sitting idle even with Freenet shutdown. Need to isolate what is happening. I found the uninstall file in /home/pc5/freenet/ but don't know how to use this file in terminal to uninstall. I am new to Ubuntu and Linux and when an application is not in the automated places like Ubuntu Software centre and synaptic package manager then I don't know what has to be done. Could you please tell me how to use the uninstall file? Each line of code? Thanks. Regards, Chris Hazzard. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Support Digest, Vol 48, Issue 12
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: On Saturday 10 April 2010 21:53:24 freenet wrote: Matthew, I don't monitor the node that closely. The reason for the crashes varies. It seems to usually be a null pointer exception. Usually this isn't fatal. It would be interesting to see the logs. I assume this is shown in wrapper.log? Other times it just crashes out with no warning. Other times it runs out of disk space. When that happens the entire Freenet installation virtually self destructs, corrupting key files, mostly the persistent temp files and the .db4o database. I have to totally wipe those to recover the node. The datastore seems to survive all crashes ok. Freenet really should handle running out of disk space better than this. Until Java 1.6 we don't even know how much disk space is available. And most embedded databases (thankfully not the one we use) corrupt themselves unrecoverably on out of disk space. Just pointing out that it's not as easy a problem as you might think. Really the solution is for the user to set a sensible space limit, rather than filling up the entire partition with datastore and then using even more for downloads. And we do try to help the user there, by suggesting a fraction of the detected disk size in the installer. So I've turned the log level down to minimum to help prevent runaway disk usage. Hence I no longer see much info on what might have made the node crash. I did manage to increase the size of the partition that Freenet runs from by about 2GBytes and decrease the size of the datastore by 1GByte. So far no more running out of disk space. Ah, so it's THE LOG FILES that fill up the disk? Freenet rotates log files once an hour, and there is a limit on the total size of the log files, defaulting to 128MB - but unfortunately this only includes the compressed rotated log files, not the live log files. In any case if we are using 500MB+ for one hour's logs something is seriously wrong - I suggest in that case you shut down the node, if necessary delete everything else, and send me as much of the compressed logfile as you can. Well, there's another issue as well: Freenet uses more space for the datastore than configured, by about 2-3%. https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=3689 Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] [freenet-dev] Another way Freenet sucks for filesharing was Re: major problems - stuck at 100%, nonresponsive
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: On Friday 02 April 2010 17:31:13 Matthew Toseland wrote: On Tuesday 09 March 2010 04:27:24 Evan Daniel wrote: You should really send these to the support list; that's what it's for. You can change the physical security level setting independently of the network seclevels -- see configuration - security levels. I'm not sure what else to suggest at this point. You could try increasing the amount of ram for temp buckets (configuration - core settings), but that's mostly a stab in the dark. I suspect you need to reduce the amount of stuff in your queue. Thanks Evan for helping Daniel. In theory it ought to be possible to have a nearly unlimited number of downloads in the queue: That is precisely why we decided to use a database to store the progress of downloads. Unfortunately, in practice, disks are slow, and the more stuff is queued, the less of it will be cached in RAM i.e. the more reliant we are on slow disks. There are many options for optimising the code so that it uses the disk less. But unfortunately they are all a significant amount of work. See https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=4031 and the bugs it is marked as related to. So I guess the real question here is, how important is it that we be able to queue 60 downloads and still have acceptable performance? How many users use Freenet filesharing in that sort of way? All of them, I suspect. If a file is mostly downloaded, but not complete, the natural response seems to be to leave it there in hopes it will complete, and add other files in the mean time. Combined with unretrievable files due to missing blocks, this will produce very large download queues. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] changing permanent temp folder
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Daniel Stork stork...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I'm having problems with files stuck at 100% and having to wait hours and days for them to decode. It seems that despite having all the parts freenet just sits on it for some reason. Is there some reason for this? Would it be possible that you guys fix this? cuz it would be great not to have to wait days to decode a file that's already here. The node.db4o file also becomes enourmous for some reason (over half Gb) after a few days. It seems to be that this is what causes the files to take so long to decode, and it is also making the a high-end computer totally unresponsive. In the meantime, until this hopefully gets fixed, could you tell me if there's a way to change the location of the persistent temp folder, I would like to put the node.db4o on a ram disk, but the persistent temp is too large for this, so I would have to separate the two, and could not find settings in freenet.ini, Thanks a lot, and thanks for all your work on freenet, it's awsome. Hopefully this will get fixed at some point. Could you please give us a copy of your stats page, in advanced mode? Short term, you can remove some or all of the keys from your download queue, and then put them back slowly, making sure the queue never gets overly large. (That is, save a list of things to download somewhere, download a few, put in new ones as old ones finish.) You could move the node.db4o elsewhere, and then add a symlink to the new location. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Return of the Out of memory, Part LCXIX
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Dennis Nezic denn...@dennisn.dyndns.org wrote: As I (and I'm sure others) mentioned before, my node is still going down (crashing?) regularly -- roughly weekly. I currently allocate it 150MB of (precious) ram. Here are my last 2 (of infinity) heap reports from the jvm dump: Heap def new generation total 46080K, used 41323K eden space 40960K, 100% used from space 5120K, 7% used to space 5120K, 0% used tenured generation total 102400K, used 99586K the space 102400K, 97% used compacting perm gen total 12288K, used 11390K the space 12288K, 92% used ro space 10240K, 61% used rw space 12288K, 60% used Heap def new generation total 46080K, used 41400K eden space 40960K, 100% used from space 5120K, 8% used to space 5120K, 0% used tenured generation total 102400K, used 102399K the space 102400K, 99% used compacting perm gen total 12288K, used 11214K the space 12288K, 91% used ro space 10240K, 61% used rw space 12288K, 60% used Is there NO way that freenet can do a better job cleaning up? (I believe this happens even if I don't have (much) currently in the queues -- Ie. if I did heavy activity days before -- or maybe even on it's own without any manually-initiated activity, although I would have to test this more :\.) Maybe we can add more debugging info as to where all the memory is allocated? Ie. which structures? (And hopefully decide that we can Let Go of some of them :|.) What plugins are you running (complete list)? Can you provide a copy of your full stats page, in advanced mode? Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] major problems - stuck at 100%, nonresponsive
You should really send these to the support list; that's what it's for. You can change the physical security level setting independently of the network seclevels -- see configuration - security levels. I'm not sure what else to suggest at this point. You could try increasing the amount of ram for temp buckets (configuration - core settings), but that's mostly a stab in the dark. I suspect you need to reduce the amount of stuff in your queue. Evan Daniel On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Daniel Stork stork...@yahoo.com wrote: Defragmenting the database did help. It went from 520 Mb to 160 Mb, This made it a bit more responsive and the smaller files now finished in about an hour, but the larger ones are still stuck at 100%. Could you tell me how to change the location of the persistent temp folder? I didn't see this in freenet.ini I'd like to put to node.db4o.crypt file on the ramdisk, but the persistent temp is way too big for that. Does the node.db4o have to be in the same folder as the persistent temp ? Also, if I'm running freenet from either a ramdisk or a truecrypt volume, than does it make sense to have the persistent temp and the datastore and db4o encrypted ? Is it possible to just have these unencrypted without affecting my online security settings ? Thanks a lot, Dan From: Evan Daniel eva...@gmail.com To: Daniel Stork stork...@yahoo.com; support@freenetproject.org Sent: Sat, March 6, 2010 4:38:23 PM Subject: Re: [freenet-support] major problems - stuck at 100%, nonresponsive I suspect the stalled downloads are the same problem as the heavy IO, and that both come from the downloads database. I would expect increasing the memory available to help; I'm somewhat surprised it doesn't. I doubt there's much io to the datastore in comparison. If you want to play with ram disks, putting the data store on a normal hard disk and the node.db4o (or node.db4o.crypt) file on a ram disk is more likely to help. However, first I would try defragmenting your node.db4o file (configuration - core settings - Defragment the downloads database during the next startup? - true). Does setting that and then restarting the node help? How big was your node.db4o file before / after defragmenting? If none of this helps, then I suspect you simply have more downloads queued than Freenet can handle. I recommend removing some or all of the files, and then re-adding them when others finish, keeping the total size queued at any one time limited. Evan Daniel On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Daniel Stork stork...@yahoo.com wrote: Evan, thanks for the response, I tried playing around with the memory, and giving freenet 2 gb makes it crash, but it works with 1,5gb (I have a total of 4gb installed). The memory did not change anything. The disk was churning a lot so I transferred the datastore to a 2gb ramdisk, which reduced some of it. But still the system becomes really unresponsive, when using freenet. Any ideas what this could be? All my hardware is really more than enough, I have one of the best Core 2 Duos and all resources are underutilized. Also, - I know others have asked already, but am not sure if this issue was ever resolved - I have numerous downloads at 100% that do not complete. I have been waiting for hours and days. Any idea why this happens? I usually have about 80-100 simultaneous downloads, is this too much for freenet to handle? Thanks a lot, From: Evan Daniel eva...@gmail.com To: support@freenetproject.org; Daniel Stork stork...@yahoo.com Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 7:13:43 PM Subject: Re: [freenet-support] major problems - stuck at 100%, nonresponsive On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Daniel Stork stork...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I'm having major problems with freenet on Windows, I have 60 downloads of which 60 have been stuck at 100% for days. Running freenet makes Windows completely unresponsive. It takes literally 10 minutes for frost to start up. This happened in the past. I deleted node.db4o and the permanent downloads folder and this fixed it for a while, But it goes back to the same state in a few days. Right now my node.db4o is 230 Mb and I don't want to lost the 60 downloads (almost 10 gigs total) which are complete. The CPU usage is 50-80% on a very strong pc. My questions are the following: 1. Could the unresponsiveness be a memory issue with Java ? I have 4 gigs but freenet and frost use only 160 and 210 megabytes. Is java putting a limit on these somehow? What's the proper way to allocate memory to freenet and frost ? Freenet has a configuration option. You can set it from configuration - core settings - max memory. For frost, run it with java -Xmx256M -jar frost.jar (or whatever setting you prefer) instead of the normal java -jar frost.jar. It's possible your issue is Freenet memory; I'm not certain. Please let me
Re: [freenet-support] major problems - stuck at 100%, nonresponsive
I suspect the stalled downloads are the same problem as the heavy IO, and that both come from the downloads database. I would expect increasing the memory available to help; I'm somewhat surprised it doesn't. I doubt there's much io to the datastore in comparison. If you want to play with ram disks, putting the data store on a normal hard disk and the node.db4o (or node.db4o.crypt) file on a ram disk is more likely to help. However, first I would try defragmenting your node.db4o file (configuration - core settings - Defragment the downloads database during the next startup? - true). Does setting that and then restarting the node help? How big was your node.db4o file before / after defragmenting? If none of this helps, then I suspect you simply have more downloads queued than Freenet can handle. I recommend removing some or all of the files, and then re-adding them when others finish, keeping the total size queued at any one time limited. Evan Daniel On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Daniel Stork stork...@yahoo.com wrote: Evan, thanks for the response, I tried playing around with the memory, and giving freenet 2 gb makes it crash, but it works with 1,5gb (I have a total of 4gb installed). The memory did not change anything. The disk was churning a lot so I transferred the datastore to a 2gb ramdisk, which reduced some of it. But still the system becomes really unresponsive, when using freenet. Any ideas what this could be? All my hardware is really more than enough, I have one of the best Core 2 Duos and all resources are underutilized. Also, - I know others have asked already, but am not sure if this issue was ever resolved - I have numerous downloads at 100% that do not complete. I have been waiting for hours and days. Any idea why this happens? I usually have about 80-100 simultaneous downloads, is this too much for freenet to handle? Thanks a lot, From: Evan Daniel eva...@gmail.com To: support@freenetproject.org; Daniel Stork stork...@yahoo.com Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 7:13:43 PM Subject: Re: [freenet-support] major problems - stuck at 100%, nonresponsive On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Daniel Stork stork...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I'm having major problems with freenet on Windows, I have 60 downloads of which 60 have been stuck at 100% for days. Running freenet makes Windows completely unresponsive. It takes literally 10 minutes for frost to start up. This happened in the past. I deleted node.db4o and the permanent downloads folder and this fixed it for a while, But it goes back to the same state in a few days. Right now my node.db4o is 230 Mb and I don't want to lost the 60 downloads (almost 10 gigs total) which are complete. The CPU usage is 50-80% on a very strong pc. My questions are the following: 1. Could the unresponsiveness be a memory issue with Java ? I have 4 gigs but freenet and frost use only 160 and 210 megabytes. Is java putting a limit on these somehow? What's the proper way to allocate memory to freenet and frost ? Freenet has a configuration option. You can set it from configuration - core settings - max memory. For frost, run it with java -Xmx256M -jar frost.jar (or whatever setting you prefer) instead of the normal java -jar frost.jar. It's possible your issue is Freenet memory; I'm not certain. Please let me know if increasing memory available helps. 2. Does setting priority in task manager have any effect ? I noticed they are on below normal and cannot be changed. I'm not certain. Freenet normally runs most of its threads at very low priority, and a couple at higher priority. Reducing the priority too far on some OSes can mean the high priority threads get starved for CPU, causing timeouts and restarts and such. I'm not sure if this happens on windows. 3. Is there a way to save these completed downloads that freenet is not finishing (i.e. command line utility)? Just the normal download process. Reducing the size of your queue will fix the problem, and increasing the memory available may help. Also another issue I noticed: - When I select Download the file in the background and store in R:\Freenet\downloads or Fetch the file in the background from the freenet UI, it doesn't do anything. Are these supposed to work? They should add the file to your download queue; they work fine here. What does happen? What error message are you getting? Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] can't install
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 4:44 AM, Martin Lorenz mar...@lorenz.priv.at wrote:
well,
just tried to get the latest version after some years and stayed hoplessly
unsuccessful.
I keep getting a freenet nodewhich dosen't listen on
when trying the headless install I found a reason:
$ ./bin/1run.sh
Enabling the auto-update feature
Detecting tcp-ports availability...
Can not bind fproxy to : let's try 8889 instead.
Can not bind any socket on 127.0.0.1:
IT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN\!
Make sure your loopback interface is properly configured.
Delete Freenet\'s directory and retry.
no idea why this is
these are the last few lines of an strace of java -jar bin/bindtest.jar
munmap(0xb76ca000, 136735) = 0
mmap2(NULL, 331776, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS|MAP_STACK, -1, 0) = 0xb6a06000
mprotect(0xb6a06000, 4096, PROT_NONE) = 0
clone(child_stack=0xb6a56494,
flags=CLONE_VM|CLONE_FS|CLONE_FILES|CLONE_SIGHAND|CLONE_THREAD|CLONE_SYSVSEM|CLONE_SETTLS|CLONE_PARENT_SETTID|CLONE_CHILD_CLEARTID,
parent_tidptr=0xb6a56bd8, {entry_number:6, base_addr:0xb6a56b70,
limit:1048575, seg_32bit:1, contents:0, read_exec_only:0, limit_in_pages:1,
seg_not_present:0, useable:1}, child_tidptr=0xb6a56bd8) = 21970
futex(0xb6a56bd8, FUTEX_WAIT, 21970, NULL unfinished ... exit status 1
What OS are you running?
This looks like the Debian Squeeze ipv6 bug:
http://new-wiki.freenetproject.org/Installing_on_POSIX#Debian_Squeeze
(It might also happen on other platforms, but I'm not certain.)
Evan Daniel
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Re: [freenet-support] Fwd: WoT mailman password?
The wiki move screwed up passwords; we had to reset via the forgot password mechanism. Could it be a similar problem here? Have you tried that? Evan Daniel On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 3:42 AM, bbac...@googlemail.com wrote: No ideas? Is the WoT list unusable now? Should we create a new one elsewhere? -- Forwarded message -- From: bbac...@googlemail.com Date: Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 09:11 Subject: WoT mailman password? To: support@freenetproject.org I am the admin of the WoT mailing list. It seems that the list was migrated to a new server, and now my valid password is no longer accepted. I didn't change this password. What went wrong here? What should I do? -- __ GnuPG key: (0x48DBFA8A) Keyserver: pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de Fingerprint: 477D F057 1BD4 1AE7 8A54 8679 6690 E2EC 48DB FA8A __ -- __ GnuPG key: (0x48DBFA8A) Keyserver: pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de Fingerprint: 477D F057 1BD4 1AE7 8A54 8679 6690 E2EC 48DB FA8A __ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] major problems - stuck at 100%, nonresponsive
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Daniel Stork stork...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I'm having major problems with freenet on Windows, I have 60 downloads of which 60 have been stuck at 100% for days. Running freenet makes Windows completely unresponsive. It takes literally 10 minutes for frost to start up. This happened in the past. I deleted node.db4o and the permanent downloads folder and this fixed it for a while, But it goes back to the same state in a few days. Right now my node.db4o is 230 Mb and I don't want to lost the 60 downloads (almost 10 gigs total) which are complete. The CPU usage is 50-80% on a very strong pc. My questions are the following: 1. Could the unresponsiveness be a memory issue with Java ? I have 4 gigs but freenet and frost use only 160 and 210 megabytes. Is java putting a limit on these somehow? What's the proper way to allocate memory to freenet and frost ? Freenet has a configuration option. You can set it from configuration - core settings - max memory. For frost, run it with java -Xmx256M -jar frost.jar (or whatever setting you prefer) instead of the normal java -jar frost.jar. It's possible your issue is Freenet memory; I'm not certain. Please let me know if increasing memory available helps. 2. Does setting priority in task manager have any effect ? I noticed they are on below normal and cannot be changed. I'm not certain. Freenet normally runs most of its threads at very low priority, and a couple at higher priority. Reducing the priority too far on some OSes can mean the high priority threads get starved for CPU, causing timeouts and restarts and such. I'm not sure if this happens on windows. 3. Is there a way to save these completed downloads that freenet is not finishing (i.e. command line utility)? Just the normal download process. Reducing the size of your queue will fix the problem, and increasing the memory available may help. Also another issue I noticed: - When I select Download the file in the background and store in R:\Freenet\downloads or Fetch the file in the background from the freenet UI, it doesn't do anything. Are these supposed to work? They should add the file to your download queue; they work fine here. What does happen? What error message are you getting? Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Installation Failed
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Alan Smith smit...@shaw.ca wrote: I tried Installing Twice and got the same error. See attachment. What version of windows are you running, precisely? 64- or 32-bit? What JVM and version? Are you running any antivirus software? Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] trouble installing
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:39 AM, closeau clos...@inbox5.com wrote: clos...@... writes: After downloading Freenet I try to install and I get an error message Freenet starter was unable to control the freenet system service. Reason: Service did not respond to signal. What do I have to do? I see that others are having the same problem as me. From what I can tell no one has gotten an answer. Maybe this is a problem that you are addressing currently and have not been able to resolve.Maybe you feel it is to trivial an issue to sddress. Either way a response to this issue would be appreciated. As far as I know, there is no known solution to this problem. I believe Zero3 is working on it, but I don't know precisely how much progress he's been able to make. I think at present he's in need of testers on versions of Windows he doesn't have. See http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freenet/index.php?title=Jobs for details; contact him if you're willing to help test. Sorry for the inconvenience. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] freenet will not launch
See https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freenet/index.php?title=Installing_on_POSIX for fix and links to the Debian bug reports. Evan Daniel On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Paul Landers j.paul.land...@gmail.com wrote: I moved my node to a new Debian Squeeze machine, and now it will not launch. When I invoke ./run.sh start these are the entries in wrapper.log: STATUS | wrapper | 2010/01/10 17:45:36 | -- Wrapper Started as Daemon STATUS | wrapper | 2010/01/10 17:45:36 | Launching a JVM... INFO | jvm 1 | 2010/01/10 17:45:36 | WrapperManager: Initializing... INFO | jvm 1 | 2010/01/10 17:45:37 | WrapperManager: WARNING - The Wrapper jar file currently in us e is version 3.3.1 INFO | jvm 1 | 2010/01/10 17:45:37 | WrapperManager: while the version of the Wrapper whi ch launched this JVM is INFO | jvm 1 | 2010/01/10 17:45:37 | WrapperManager: 3.2.3. INFO | jvm 1 | 2010/01/10 17:45:37 | WrapperManager: The Wrapper may appear to work corre ctly but some features may INFO | jvm 1 | 2010/01/10 17:45:37 | WrapperManager: not function correctly. This config uration has not been tested INFO | jvm 1 | 2010/01/10 17:45:37 | WrapperManager: and is not supported. INFO | jvm 1 | 2010/01/10 17:45:37 | WrapperManager: INFO | jvm 1 | 2010/01/10 17:45:37 | WrapperManager Error: Unexpected exception opening backend soc ket: java.net.SocketException: Invalid argument INFO | jvm 1 | 2010/01/10 17:45:37 | WrapperManager Error: Unexpected exception opening backend soc ket: java.net.SocketException: Invalid argument . . . INFO | jvm 1 | 2010/01/10 17:45:37 | WrapperManager Error: Unexpected exception opening backend soc u...@debianp2pserver:~/freenet_temp/freenet$ tail wrapper.log ADVICE | wrapper | 2010/01/10 18:08:19 | http://wrapper.tanukisoftware.org/doc/english/integrate.html ADVICE | wrapper | 2010/01/10 18:08:19 | ADVICE | wrapper | 2010/01/10 18:08:19 | INFO | jvm 5 | 2010/01/10 18:08:20 | WrapperManager Error: Unexpected exception opening backend socket: java.net.SocketException: Invalid argument ERROR | wrapper | 2010/01/10 18:08:20 | JVM did not exit on request, terminated INFO | wrapper | 2010/01/10 18:08:20 | JVM exited on its own while waiting to kill the application. STATUS | wrapper | 2010/01/10 18:08:20 | JVM exited in response to signal SIGKILL (9). FATAL | wrapper | 2010/01/10 18:08:20 | There were 5 failed launches in a row, each lasting less than 300 seconds. Giving up. FATAL | wrapper | 2010/01/10 18:08:20 | There may be a configuration problem: please check the logs. STATUS | wrapper | 2010/01/10 18:08:20 | -- Wrapper Stopped I then downloaded and installed a fresh node in a new directory, but still have the same problem. Thank you! ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Down/uploads excessive
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:15 PM, nicpaul nicp...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hi there support, I installed Freenet the other day and tested a couple of links. Within an hour my entire monthly quota down/upload from my service provider had been used up. I have never approached, let alone reach my quota before! As that was the last day of the service month - not a problem as I didn't have access to full speed broadband for only one day. However, the same thing has occurred again. I have therefore uninstalled Freenet. This brings up cost and usage issues, plus in countries like China surely they only have to look for massive down/uploads to figure out who may have Freenet installed? Or was my installation wrong? There's a configuration item for bandwidth limits, specified in KiB/s. The post-install wizard should ask about it. Did you configure it correctly? Did Freenet ignore the specified limit? (It has done that in the past, but that was a long time ago and I haven't heard anything of the sort recently.) Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] BUG: Freenet does not respect size limit for datastore
On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 10:34 AM, SmallSister development smallsis...@xs4all.nl wrote: Evan Daniel wrote: Persistent-temp is not part of the datastore, and is not expected to stay within the datastore size limit. It's used to hold data from partially completed downloads. In theory, it will only grow to be slightly larger than your total queue size. However, there appear to be some bugs that make it leak space slowly. If it grows beyond your total queue size rapidly, though, that's not something I've seen. I can live with some additional disk-space use for downloaded files in transit; if it cleans up after the downloads are complete. (I planned a few gigs for downloads I configured Freenet.) Yet, presistent-temp grew over the weeks to achieve 11 GB... with several wrapper-induced shutdowns of Freenet. (The db4o implementation for downloads can get pretty unresponsive at times.) But with 17GB datastore (15 GB configured) PLUS 11GB in persistent-temp Freenet eats the best part of a 30 GB partition... Reclaiming ~9GB in unused temp files would make quite a difference. The workaround for persistent-temp is to shut down the node, then delete node.db4o and persistent-temp-*/ and restart the node. Warning, this will remove all in-progress uploads/downloads, so let those complete first. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] BUG: Freenet does not respect size limit for datastore
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 7:18 AM, SmallSister development smallsis...@xs4all.nl wrote: Dennis Nezic wrote: On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:03:25 +0100, SmallSister development wrote: Dennis Nezic wrote: On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:28:36 +0100, SmallSister development wrote: 2) Error message on the file sharing pages: Internal error Internal error Return to queue page. [The queue page gives this error message too] I have posted about this bug as far back as June 12th '09, with freenet version 1216 and probably earlier -- basically ever since the db40 thing was merged :P. Toad flippantly suggested it was my flaky hardware (raid 5 software array) or a bug in the db40 libraries. But the regularity of these errors (I still get them from time to time, and have to delete my node.db4o) makes me surmise otherwise. The error disappeared when I freed some disk space... And I got the data store shrunk by resizing it; it is at 40% use now. I'll clean out temp files and node.db4o once the downloads have completed. Interesting. Come to think of it, I also run pretty low on free diskspace ... 99% disk usage (of over 1tb) not being uncommon ... although that should still leave several gigs free. But, it's also interesting that you didn't have to delete your node.db4o file to get rid of the Internal error. And the Internal error reappeared after Freenet filled up the partition again overnight. persistent-temp had grown to 11 GB, which is a significant chunk of a 30 GB partition. Persistent-temp is not part of the datastore, and is not expected to stay within the datastore size limit. It's used to hold data from partially completed downloads. In theory, it will only grow to be slightly larger than your total queue size. However, there appear to be some bugs that make it leak space slowly. If it grows beyond your total queue size rapidly, though, that's not something I've seen. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Bug: 'Freenet Download button is not func...'
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:26 AM, UserVoice supp...@uservoice.com wrote: manojmast...@aol.com wrote: Freenet Download button is not functioning. I am being redirected next page, displaying some code error. On http://freenetproject.org/index.html Using Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.3) Gecko/20090824 Firefox/3.5.3 This should be fixed now. Please try again, and let us know if you experience any difficulties. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Bug: 'I can't download (0.7.5 for Windows).'
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 7:52 AM, UserVoice supp...@uservoice.com wrote: davide.min...@gmail.com wrote: I can't download (0.7.5 for Windows). On http://freenetproject.org/ Using Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/532.0 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/3.0.195.33 Safari/532.0 This should be fixed now. If you have any further problems, let us know. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Not enought entropy on headless system
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Marco A. Calamari marc...@dada.it wrote: I installed today Freenet on a headless Soekris 5501 (Geode I586 compatible processor) running Debian Lenny The node hangs during boot with the message There isn't enough entropy available on your system... Freenet won't start until it can gather enough. and stalls forever; the old find trick doesn't work either. I suppose that Freenet uses /dev/random as entropy source; can I redirect on urandom ? Many thanks. Marco You could probably do that, but I would recommend against it. Good random numbers important for securing cryptographic applications. My recommendation would be to install something like turbid ( http://www.av8n.com/turbid/ ) to get a secure source of random numbers. (There are a few other programs that do similar things, but turbid is the only one I know of that makes guarantees about the *minimum* entropy content of its output, which is what cryptographic applications care about.) Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Wget'ing freenet:USKs
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Dennis Nezic denn...@dennisn.dyndns.org wrote: On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:44:07 -0500, Evan Daniel wrote: On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 7:36 AM, Dennis Nezic denn...@dennisn.dyndns.org wrote: What is the purpose of the freenet: notation? (Besides complicating things.) When I try to wget -r -np a freesite, most links will not be fetched -- namely those that still use the ubiquitous /USK... url. (Because -np, --no-parent, is meant to only fetch files within a particular directory and not ascend to other parent directories, thus preventing the fetching of the entire Internet.) So because /USK.. and /freenet:USK.. are effectively two different parent folders, simply using -np won't work. Instead of -np I have to explicitly list the key in both notations as parameters to --include-directories .. resulting in a hideous command line. (Which includes the USK key 3 times.) I wouldn't mind doing this if there was SOME reason for it? (Was it meant to be used as a protocol identifier, like http: mailto:, etc?) But is it really necessary to 301 Permanently Move queries to the freenet:* links? It is in fact a protocol identifier, like http:, mailto:, irc:, etc. The idea is that the proper URL of a Freenet file is something like freenet:u...@crypto/sitename/edition/filename. The FProxy web interface provides, for convenience, a way to translate freenet: URLs into http: ones. Eventually, it would be nice to support this in other ways. For example, FProxy should rewrite freenet: URLs into the appropriate http: equivalent. Alternately, a browser plugin that knew how to handle freenet: URLs (ie, translate them into http: and then handle normally), and prevented downloading of content from any other URL type would improve security and require less content filtering (thus making it easier to support more complex file types). See bug 3414: https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=3414 Would it help if the content filter rewrote all /u...@... URLs into /freenet:u...@...? That would probably be a fairly easy change. (The content filter already does URL rewriting, to insert the checked http pages for example.) If so, please file a bug report. Hrrm. I'm no expert, but doesn't the /freenet:u...@... URL syntax seem wrong? The protocol should be the first thing, not in the pathname? And it would only make sense if it was from some external non-fproxy source, no? I mean, if the user is already accessing fproxy, what's the point of freenet: references? It seems to me that having fproxy automatically redirect all /USK@ /CHK@ /SSK@ links to /freenet:USK@ links is pointless in the first place ... and getting rid of this redirection should solve the problem and simplify things too :). No, the / at the beginning is perfectly correct. Your browser has no clue how to handle a freenet: URL. The / at the front means it should use that as an absolute path to construct an http: URL from, using the current server (typically 127.0.0.1:). FProxy provides a translation layer that gets the corresponding freenet: URL over http in that format. The proper URL of a Freenet document is not u...@blah or http://127.0.0.1:/u...@blah; or even http://127.0.0.1:/freenet:u...@blah;. It's freenet:u...@blah. The http version is simply a translation that your browser (and wget, etc) knows what to do with. URLs are supposed to begin with a protocol: identifier. Including only a portion of the correct URL in the translation layer, while not exactly wrong, seems silly. The proper solution is to make sure that all http: URLs for Freenet documents follow the same format. As long as that format is consistent, I don't think there's any problem with wget and such. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Wget'ing freenet:USKs
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 7:36 AM, Dennis Nezic denn...@dennisn.dyndns.org wrote: What is the purpose of the freenet: notation? (Besides complicating things.) When I try to wget -r -np a freesite, most links will not be fetched -- namely those that still use the ubiquitous /USK... url. (Because -np, --no-parent, is meant to only fetch files within a particular directory and not ascend to other parent directories, thus preventing the fetching of the entire Internet.) So because /USK.. and /freenet:USK.. are effectively two different parent folders, simply using -np won't work. Instead of -np I have to explicitly list the key in both notations as parameters to --include-directories .. resulting in a hideous command line. (Which includes the USK key 3 times.) I wouldn't mind doing this if there was SOME reason for it? (Was it meant to be used as a protocol identifier, like http: mailto:, etc?) But is it really necessary to 301 Permanently Move queries to the freenet:* links? It is in fact a protocol identifier, like http:, mailto:, irc:, etc. The idea is that the proper URL of a Freenet file is something like freenet:u...@crypto/sitename/edition/filename. The FProxy web interface provides, for convenience, a way to translate freenet: URLs into http: ones. Eventually, it would be nice to support this in other ways. For example, FProxy should rewrite freenet: URLs into the appropriate http: equivalent. Alternately, a browser plugin that knew how to handle freenet: URLs (ie, translate them into http: and then handle normally), and prevented downloading of content from any other URL type would improve security and require less content filtering (thus making it easier to support more complex file types). See bug 3414: https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=3414 Would it help if the content filter rewrote all /u...@... URLs into /freenet:u...@...? That would probably be a fairly easy change. (The content filter already does URL rewriting, to insert the checked http pages for example.) If so, please file a bug report. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Support Digest, Vol 50, Issue 9
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:58 AM, freenet free...@pacbell.net wrote: On Nov 9, 2009, at 17:16:24 +0100, bimbek bimbek...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, with all the respect Matthew Toseland, you did not need to ban the poor guy. I hope that one day you will not ban all of us just because some US court would say that using freenet is illegal... Did anyone catch the irony that the Freenet Project - that is dedicated to overcoming censorship and promoting absolute free speech for all worldwide - has just banned, censored if you will, someone from a simple support e-mail list? But from the Freenet web site at http://freenetproject.org/philosophy.html : You cannot guarantee freedom of speech and enforce copyright law. It is for this reason that Freenet, a system designed to protect Freedom of Speech, must prevent enforcement of copyright. Freenet must operate under the laws of both the US and the UK. What's surprising, exactly? If you want support for illegal activities, don't look for it on moderated, non-anonymous forums like this email list! How surprising is that? Seriously, if you want to discuss illegal activities, shouldn't you be using something like, I don't know, Freenet? Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Support Digest, Vol 50, Issue 9
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:14 AM, urza9...@gmail.com wrote: Freenet is exactly what was being discussed. He wasn't looking for support for illegal activities, he was looking for support for Freenet, which he happened to be using in a way that in certain countries is illegal. So should we refuse support to anyone asking for help with freenet if their use of it happens to be illegal in, say, China? On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Evan Daniel eva...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:58 AM, freenet free...@pacbell.net wrote: On Nov 9, 2009, at 17:16:24 +0100, bimbek bimbek...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, with all the respect Matthew Toseland, you did not need to ban the poor guy. I hope that one day you will not ban all of us just because some US court would say that using freenet is illegal... Did anyone catch the irony that the Freenet Project - that is dedicated to overcoming censorship and promoting absolute free speech for all worldwide - has just banned, censored if you will, someone from a simple support e-mail list? But from the Freenet web site at http://freenetproject.org/philosophy.html : You cannot guarantee freedom of speech and enforce copyright law. It is for this reason that Freenet, a system designed to protect Freedom of Speech, must prevent enforcement of copyright. Freenet must operate under the laws of both the US and the UK. What's surprising, exactly? If you want support for illegal activities, don't look for it on moderated, non-anonymous forums like this email list! How surprising is that? Seriously, if you want to discuss illegal activities, shouldn't you be using something like, I don't know, Freenet? What part of this is confusing? Freenet must operate according to the laws of the US and UK. Chinese law has as little to do with it as French law. The best legal advice we have says not to offer support to people known to be engaged in piracy. Not don't support piracy -- don't offer support to people engaged in it! That means banning people who admit to it. If you want support for your illegal activities, get it on Freenet or some other secure, anonymous forum. This email list is not such a forum! Whether that lines up with how you wish the world worked or not is completely irrelevant. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Strange behavior of the MIME type detection
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 6:51 AM, henri godron enjoy...@gmail.com wrote: I wanted to ask something, I think it is related : Do you see, sometime when downloading a file (like a .zip or .png for example) fproxy telling you that the file is .zip.bin or .png.bin with an unknown mime type ? Can someone try with this file please ? It's a new one, I had it from fms.. c...@soksfw9pa0eswrfpbmfredzpqofwki2a98etiwryfvy,MYbngaOGBPcqAHOfB0QAAVIj05Lh7N4iTMcYu15FOI,AAIC--8/20percent.png I have an error on this file and fproxy is saying it's percent.png.bin ! Does it do the same for you guys ? It's helpful to include the error :) I get Failed to decode a block: Crypto key too short. That means exactly what it sounds like: the crypto key is shorter than it should be. It only has 42 characters; it should have 43. That almost certainly means someone messed up when copy/pasting the key. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Insertion list freezes when having 100++ insertions
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 6:15 AM, henri godron enjoy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I made a 140 files (40Kb each) insertion yesterday for testing, and I could see the first 100 insertions in FPROXY. Since then, my other 40 insertions were stopped. I restarted the freenet service (under Windows Vista). Freenet works well but i can't see the insertion page (neither from Thaw) as the browser it's constantly waiting for 127.0.0.1. In my statistic panel in fproxy i have : requests : 78 au total, 50 CHK, 52 SSK (3 locales) I think this 78 total requests are related to my insertions and maybe that's why the fproxy page of the insertions is waiting ? What do you think ? This may be fixed in the current testing version of Freenet; you can try it by running update.cmd testing. We'd like to know whether that fixes it for you. The Current Activity box on the statistics page is only loosely related. It includes both locally originated requests / inserts, and those from other nodes. If you queue several large files, those represent a large number of requests (or inserts) of 32kB blocks; they are queued and handled a few at a time. You shouldn't expect to see much relationship between how many files you have queued and the current activity statistics. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Peer connections
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:06 AM, l...@hushmail.com wrote: Hey Evan. I tried that site but it doesn't open or exist. I have gone to quite a few sites concerning how to forward ports and so far none of them instruct how to, just this is what you need to do. Frustrating to say the least. Since you say I am connected, how to I contact whoever I am connected to? I have searched through all the pages of Freenet I can access but nothing that shows or leads me into the path or manner of trying to contact any of these connected ones. Thanks On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:40:47 +0700 Evan Daniel eva...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:41 PM, l...@hushmail.com wrote: Hello people. I have these peers and they are connected. I am assuming connected to me in some manner. In order to connect to them, I have to give them something, and/or get something from them. Where, no, how do I find their info in order to connect? I know I can send my noderef but where do I find theirs? Also, the message in the window mentions using a certain port. I think it says something like UDP but since I don't have that page open please forgive me if I got the letters wrong. SIGH! Again, it mentions forwarding this port and I cannot seem to understand how to do this. You already have everything you need to connect to them. You can tell because you're connected to them. Similarly, they have everything they need. There are plenty of people who can do a better job than I explaining how to forward a port. Some of them have done so on this mailing list; some of those, recently. I suggest checking the list archives. Alternately, google can help: http://www.google.com/q=how+to+forward+a+port If you need further help on forwarding ports, I recommend you consult the manual for your router. There is no way to communicate directly with your opennet peers. Your node is connected to them, and routing requests for them (and vice versa), but that doesn't mean all that much. If you want to talk to people, I suggest using an app like Frost, FMS, or Freetalk. Think of Freenet like a giant game of Telephone ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_%28game%29 ) or Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Degrees_of_Kevin_Bacon ). Your node sends and receives messages, but who it sends them to or receives them from is only peripherally related to where they came from or where they're going. So don't worry about who your opennet peers are; they're just semi-random people who use Freenet. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Peer connections
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:41 PM, l...@hushmail.com wrote: Hello people. I have these peers and they are connected. I am assuming connected to me in some manner. In order to connect to them, I have to give them something, and/or get something from them. Where, no, how do I find their info in order to connect? I know I can send my noderef but where do I find theirs? Also, the message in the window mentions using a certain port. I think it says something like UDP but since I don't have that page open please forgive me if I got the letters wrong. SIGH! Again, it mentions forwarding this port and I cannot seem to understand how to do this. You already have everything you need to connect to them. You can tell because you're connected to them. Similarly, they have everything they need. There are plenty of people who can do a better job than I explaining how to forward a port. Some of them have done so on this mailing list; some of those, recently. I suggest checking the list archives. Alternately, google can help: http://www.google.com/q=how+to+forward+a+port Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] storage stats bug
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Toni Bergman toni.berg...@gmail.com wrote: Installing while offline causes store and cache to stay at 0 keys/bytes. Resizing store fixes it 1223 was the last version of freenet that actually worked. But I guess the term: if it aint broke dont fix it. Has newer reached that far. For example Certain someone said (not per word): 1) This version of freenet works, we can now try more disruptive changes 2) Then that certain someone made those disruptive changes and prevented connecting to freenet 1223 with the disruptive changes versions Yes I undestand disruptive changes can be tried once you get something right. No I do not understand preventing the working version from connecting again. Please don't reply to me, just feel bad about whoever's logic. No such decision was made, as far as I know. I don't know of any known-broken changes that were released. It has been months since 1224 was released. How do you expect us to know that something broke if you don't report it? Stop making assumptions: if a bug is introduced in a new version, the developers probably don't know about it. REPORT IT. Those of us actually working on Freenet don't tend to consider it as being in the ain't broke state. Data retention sucks, speed is somewhere between ok and awful depending, security is far weaker than we'd like, etc, etc. Most changes are attempts to fix known bugs, improve usability, or fix the aforementioned gross deficiencies. I can't fathom why you would want Freenet to stop improving. Also, for the record: some of the recent mandatory build requirements have been at my personal request. Those requests were made as part of an effort to improve what limited data collection I can do, with the specific aim of doing exactly what you ask for: namely, measuring whether new builds help or hurt things. They're not aimed at the relatively simple problems you seem to be having, but rather the far more subtle sort like request routing and data reachability, that are impossible to analyze on a single node or small test network, and extremely difficult to measure on the live network. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] No subject
undocumented and write a cursory explanation, then plenty of people will find it useful -- and you'll get *more* complaints, not fewer. So, if you want improved documentation, you should be willing to improve it yourself. We have a wiki ( http://wiki.freenetproject.org/ ); feel free to add to existing pages or start new ones. I'm willing to answer questions, but I will be much, much happier about the prospect if the results are going to help more than one person. So, if the questions you have aren't answered in the docs / wiki / etc, and someone takes the time to answer them for you, then we would probably be very appreciative if you took the time to add some of those answers to the wiki so that someone else could get the benefit of them as well. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet uninstall for new Build install
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:38 AM, l...@hushmail.com wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:04:34 +0700, Evan Daniel wrote: Please send replies to the support list; it makes it easier for others to help with the problem, and for anyone with the same problem to see the answer. (Unless, of course, you're sending info you'd like kept private.) Sorry about that. I will post to support from now on and thank you for directing me to the proper procedures. I like that. I think I'm sort of averaging around 8-10 peers. I accidentally clicked something and it opened a separate tab showing connected and one busy. This was with a total of 19 peers at the time. If it's showing that, then you have a sufficiently recent version of Freenet running, and it is almost certainly running without any major network problems. Are you still having problems with warnings about updating? I don't know about this next thing. The Freenet Installer icon was on my desktop. I just put it into a folder. When I opened the folder to look at it (for no good reason), there was the icon with these words; Freenet Installer- 1233. The Freenet page that opens says 1236. Like I said, I downloaded a new one yesterday but it's called, freenet-0.7.0-rc1.new-install. The site said it was the latest. That doesn't look like the latest to me. I have found Build 1236 and will install it. How do I uninstall Freenet 1233, Freemail, Frost etc.? I am not a command line person but have tried several things. 'cmd' and then tried to go to the Freenet directory or folder to change what others have suggested. I also tried 'promt', then typing in the path but can't get past this message: C:\Program\Files\Freenet\ is not recognized as an internal or external command operable program or batch file. You're probably looking for the command cd as in cd c:\program files\. Or, more generally: http://www.google.com/search?q=windows+command+line+introduction Anyway, I'm about fed up with it. I keep searching but cannot find anything that tells me 'how' to do certain things. The instructions only say this is what one needs to do. I repeat, I need to know how. In general, when the Freenet documentation doesn't explain the details, that's because it's a normal part of using your computer that is not specific to Freenet. For example, uninstalling is done through the control panel on Windows, apt on Debian, emerge on Gentoo, and other methods on other OSes. That means that googling for general instructions on how to do such things on your computer will help. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet version
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 7:35 AM, l...@hushmail.com wrote: Hi again. Well, I've looked there, the stats page, and also at the bottom of the Freenet window when it opens. It tells me the version in both places and they are the same, 0.7.5, Build #1236 I downloaded it from the Freenet Project site. Please send replies to the support list; it makes it easier for others to help with the problem, and for anyone with the same problem to see the answer. (Unless, of course, you're sending info you'd like kept private.) I have no idea why it would be saying you need to update, given that you have the latest version. If you look at your stats page, in the Peer Statistics box, how many peers does it show? Ideally, you should have a moderate number (~10-40, depending on bandwidth) as either CONNECTED of BACKED OFF (aka BUSY), with most of those CONNECTED. If your version truly is old, it will show a few peers as TOO NEW. Do you have connected peers? Do you have peers that are too new? Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] 'wassupport?
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:58 PM, l...@hushmail.com wrote: HI., Can anyone tell me how to open Freemail after it has been set up? I cannot find it. Also, what is the most recent build of the Freenet node software? I found 0.7.5 Build #1230. Which way are the numbers going? I have installed 0.7.5 Build #1236 but as I have written to support about, Freenet tells me that is too old. The latest version of Freenet is 0.7.5 build 1236. If your Freenet software is telling you it is too old, then it is older than that. How are you determining which version you have installed? The recommended way is to look at your stats page, in the Node Version Information box. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] New to Freenet/need help
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 9:46 AM, l...@hushmail.com wrote: Hello. I am having some problems as a newbie. Hope someone will help me out. They may seem clear and simple to others but they are not to me. Sorry 'bout that. Freenet tells me it is trying to connect to my external IP and that I can use the Temporary IP Address hint. How? What is it I am supposed enter in that window and where do I find that information? Also, it tells me to forward three ports. Again, how does one do such a thing? I've never forwarded a port or an email so I need help here also. It also informs me that I am using a node or version, (0.7.0) that is horribly old and I should update. I have tried in the configurations drop down and it says configurations are successfully changed but I don't know if that is in fact the correct update. It still tells me each time I go to Freenet that my node is very, very old. HELP! Lastly, how does one go about finding friends on Freenet or Frost. It says to only connect to friends but I don't know anyone using Freenet or Frost. I am in a country that blocks many sites. I think the most in the world, so any real help would be greatly appreciated. It would be so nice to be able to talk with someone about different things while learning more about Freenet and Frost and how to use them to achieve the best safety and anonymity one can. Thanks again. The update that Freenet is referring to is changing the version of the software to a newer one; this is not the same thing at all as changing configuration settings. Freenet should be able to update itself, but first you need to get it connected. On the stats page (found at http://127.0.0.1:/stats/ ), you can find how many peers you are connected to (under the peer statistics box, count both connected and backed off peers). This number should be greater than zero, but I suspect that in your case it is not. When Freenet says you should connect to friends, it means that literally. Friends are people you know and trust; you get them by talking to people. They can be people you know in real life or from the Internet, but they should be real people you know and trust. Freenet does not have any special meaning for the word that's different than the ordinary one. Most people don't know anyone using Freenet, and so can't connect to Friends. That's fine, Freenet can still work, but it is less secure. Your node (ie the copy of the Freenet software that you are running) needs to talk to other nodes; these nodes are the ones most able to figure out what you are doing. If you don't know anyone running Freenet, then those nodes will be run by strangers; that's fine, but obviously less secure. Because of the reduced security inherent in letting your Freenet node talk to strangers, Freenet requires explicit confirmation that this is ok. That's what the security level settings are for; in order to use opennet (allowing your node to talk to strangers), which is the only way to run Freenet if you don't have any friends using it, you need to go to the security levels config page ( http://127.0.0.1:/seclevels/ ) and set the level for Protection against a stranger attacking you over the Internet to Normal. If you had set that level to High previously, it would cause (some of the) problems you are seeing. Was that the case? Does changing it help? The IP address and port forwarding problems are a bit technical. For the first, go to a site like http://www.whatismyip.com/ and type the number it gives you into the IP Address Hint box. For port forwarding, you'll need to go to the configuration options for your router or firewall; this may be a separate physical box, or it may be integrated into your cable / dsl modem. It should have come with instructions on how to get to the configuration page. Follow those, and forward the ports as requested by Freenet. If you're using a software firewall, the same basic procedure applies. If you need more detailed help than that, I suggest looking up port forwarding on Google, or asking for more info here. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Support Digest, Vol 48, Issue 12
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 1:37 AM, freenet free...@pacbell.net wrote: On Sep 16, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Evan Daniel eva...@gmail.com wrote: Message: 6 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:46:22 -0400 From: Evan Daniel eva...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [freenet-support] My node keeps loosing all it's opennet connections To: support@freenetproject.org Message-ID: 4f9383510909160946r5bbe70f6rc6eb5069e95...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: On Tuesday 15 September 2009 15:15:47 freenet wrote: Every few days my node just looses all it's connections. Restarting the node does not solve the problem. Usually I have to shut the node down completely for about two days. When I restart it, after about 10 minutes it starts getting connections. One time I downloaded a new seednodes.fref file and that seemed to get the connections started again. I think there is a bug where the node keeps trying to contact one or two nodes on IP addresses that are no longer valid. For example, this time I see the following two errors over and over and over and over again in the logs: Sep 15, 2009 04:10:05:527 (freenet.io.comm.UdpSocketHandler, PacketSender thread for 60973, ERROR): Error while sending packet to 128.222.3.103:18143: java.io.IOException: No route to host java.io.IOException: No route to host ? ? ? at java.net.PlainDatagramSocketImpl.send(Native Method) ? ? ? at java.net.DatagramSocket.send(DatagramSocket.java:612) ? ? ? at freenet.io.comm.UdpSocketHandler.sendPacket(UdpSocketHandler.java: 247) ? ? ? at freenet.node.FNPPacketMangler.sendPacket(FNPPacketMangler.java:1794) ? ? ? at freenet.node.FNPPacketMangler.sendAuthPacket(FNPPacketMangler.java: 1781) ? ? ? at freenet .node.FNPPacketMangler.sendAnonAuthPacket(FNPPacketMangler.java: 1739) ? ? ? at freenet .node.FNPPacketMangler.sendJFKMessage1(FNPPacketMangler.java:839) ? ? ? at freenet.node.FNPPacketMangler.sendHandshake(FNPPacketMangler.java: 2876) ? ? ? at freenet.node.PacketSender.realRun(PacketSender.java:247) ? ? ? at freenet.node.PacketSender.run(PacketSender.java:126) ? ? ? at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:637) ? ? ? at freenet.support.io.NativeThread.run(NativeThread.java:100) Sep 15, 2009 04:10:10:555 (freenet.node.PeerManager, PacketSender thread for 60973, NORMAL): Connected: 0 ?Routing Backed Off: 0 ?Too New: 0 ?Too Old: 0 Disconnected: 14 ?Never Connected: 18 ? Disabled: 0 Bursting: 1 ?Listening: 0 ?Listen Only: 0 ?Clock Problem: 0 Connection Problem: 0 ?Disconnecting: 0 Sep 15, 2009 04:10:13:471 (freenet.io.comm.UdpSocketHandler, PacketSender thread for 60973, ERROR): Error while sending packet to 5.4.174.104:60115: java.io.IOException: No route to host java.io.IOException: No route to host ? ? ? at java.net.PlainDatagramSocketImpl.send(Native Method) ? ? ? at java.net.DatagramSocket.send(DatagramSocket.java:612) ? ? ? at freenet.io.comm.UdpSocketHandler.sendPacket(UdpSocketHandler.java: 247) ? ? ? at freenet.node.FNPPacketMangler.sendPacket(FNPPacketMangler.java:1794) ? ? ? at freenet.node.FNPPacketMangler.sendAuthPacket(FNPPacketMangler.java: 1781) ? ? ? at freenet .node.FNPPacketMangler.sendAnonAuthPacket(FNPPacketMangler.java: 1739) ? ? ? at freenet .node.FNPPacketMangler.sendJFKMessage1(FNPPacketMangler.java:839) ? ? ? at freenet.node.FNPPacketMangler.sendHandshake(FNPPacketMangler.java: 2876) ? ? ? at freenet.node.PacketSender.realRun(PacketSender.java:247) ? ? ? at freenet.node.PacketSender.run(PacketSender.java:126) ? ? ? at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:637) ? ? ? at freenet.support.io.NativeThread.run(NativeThread.java:100) My Internet connection is working fine. Those two IP addresses are not reachable and the node is stuck in a loop trying to get to them. One other temporary fix was to edit the seednodes.fref file and remove the nodes with the unreachable IP addresses. Freenet 0.7.5 Build #1233 build01233 Freenet-ext Build #26 r23771 # Java Version: 1.6.0_15 # JVM Vendor: Apple Inc. # JVM Version: 14.1-b02-92 # OS Name: Mac OS X # OS Version: 10.5.8 # OS Architecture: x86_64 Sure seems like a serious bug to me. Sounds like a serious bug in your internet connection. We do indeed repeatedly send handshaking packets to all our peers' IP addresses and this is normal and expected behaviour if two of them have invalid addresses. The first of those IP addresses listed looks like my node. I'm not sure why it made that one public; it should be using evanbd.dyndns.org. That IP is indeed not routable to the outside world; apparently my noderef is from when I was running on my father's strangely configured network (something about needing to be able to VPN into networks that collectively used all the various reserved-for-private nets address spaces, so he chose something unreserved that he knew to be unroutable). My updated
Re: [freenet-support] My node keeps loosing all it's opennet connections
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: On Tuesday 15 September 2009 15:15:47 freenet wrote: Every few days my node just looses all it's connections. Restarting the node does not solve the problem. Usually I have to shut the node down completely for about two days. When I restart it, after about 10 minutes it starts getting connections. One time I downloaded a new seednodes.fref file and that seemed to get the connections started again. I think there is a bug where the node keeps trying to contact one or two nodes on IP addresses that are no longer valid. For example, this time I see the following two errors over and over and over and over again in the logs: Sep 15, 2009 04:10:05:527 (freenet.io.comm.UdpSocketHandler, PacketSender thread for 60973, ERROR): Error while sending packet to 128.222.3.103:18143: java.io.IOException: No route to host java.io.IOException: No route to host at java.net.PlainDatagramSocketImpl.send(Native Method) at java.net.DatagramSocket.send(DatagramSocket.java:612) at freenet.io.comm.UdpSocketHandler.sendPacket(UdpSocketHandler.java: 247) at freenet.node.FNPPacketMangler.sendPacket(FNPPacketMangler.java:1794) at freenet.node.FNPPacketMangler.sendAuthPacket(FNPPacketMangler.java: 1781) at freenet.node.FNPPacketMangler.sendAnonAuthPacket(FNPPacketMangler.java: 1739) at freenet.node.FNPPacketMangler.sendJFKMessage1(FNPPacketMangler.java:839) at freenet.node.FNPPacketMangler.sendHandshake(FNPPacketMangler.java: 2876) at freenet.node.PacketSender.realRun(PacketSender.java:247) at freenet.node.PacketSender.run(PacketSender.java:126) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:637) at freenet.support.io.NativeThread.run(NativeThread.java:100) Sep 15, 2009 04:10:10:555 (freenet.node.PeerManager, PacketSender thread for 60973, NORMAL): Connected: 0 Routing Backed Off: 0 Too New: 0 Too Old: 0 Disconnected: 14 Never Connected: 18 Disabled: 0 Bursting: 1 Listening: 0 Listen Only: 0 Clock Problem: 0 Connection Problem: 0 Disconnecting: 0 Sep 15, 2009 04:10:13:471 (freenet.io.comm.UdpSocketHandler, PacketSender thread for 60973, ERROR): Error while sending packet to 5.4.174.104:60115: java.io.IOException: No route to host java.io.IOException: No route to host at java.net.PlainDatagramSocketImpl.send(Native Method) at java.net.DatagramSocket.send(DatagramSocket.java:612) at freenet.io.comm.UdpSocketHandler.sendPacket(UdpSocketHandler.java: 247) at freenet.node.FNPPacketMangler.sendPacket(FNPPacketMangler.java:1794) at freenet.node.FNPPacketMangler.sendAuthPacket(FNPPacketMangler.java: 1781) at freenet.node.FNPPacketMangler.sendAnonAuthPacket(FNPPacketMangler.java: 1739) at freenet.node.FNPPacketMangler.sendJFKMessage1(FNPPacketMangler.java:839) at freenet.node.FNPPacketMangler.sendHandshake(FNPPacketMangler.java: 2876) at freenet.node.PacketSender.realRun(PacketSender.java:247) at freenet.node.PacketSender.run(PacketSender.java:126) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:637) at freenet.support.io.NativeThread.run(NativeThread.java:100) My Internet connection is working fine. Those two IP addresses are not reachable and the node is stuck in a loop trying to get to them. One other temporary fix was to edit the seednodes.fref file and remove the nodes with the unreachable IP addresses. Freenet 0.7.5 Build #1233 build01233 Freenet-ext Build #26 r23771 # Java Version: 1.6.0_15 # JVM Vendor: Apple Inc. # JVM Version: 14.1-b02-92 # OS Name: Mac OS X # OS Version: 10.5.8 # OS Architecture: x86_64 Sure seems like a serious bug to me. Sounds like a serious bug in your internet connection. We do indeed repeatedly send handshaking packets to all our peers' IP addresses and this is normal and expected behaviour if two of them have invalid addresses. The first of those IP addresses listed looks like my node. I'm not sure why it made that one public; it should be using evanbd.dyndns.org. That IP is indeed not routable to the outside world; apparently my noderef is from when I was running on my father's strangely configured network (something about needing to be able to VPN into networks that collectively used all the various reserved-for-private nets address spaces, so he chose something unreserved that he knew to be unroutable). My updated noderef is below. I've manually examined it for obvious errors. I've left the ip address in it; that is the correct external ip for my node. However, it's a dhcp address (though an infrequently changing one), so it should probably removed to leave only the dyndns name if that won't cause any problems. Evan Daniel opennet=true identity=hP0uNEAg4CgfqeovGWyB0N2EbOy2WpnD6bihF1kOP3k lastGoodVersion=Fred,0.7,1.0,1231 sig
Re: [freenet-support] About store statistics not updating
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Toni Bergmantoni.berg...@gmail.com wrote: https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=3465 I saw that bug about a guy's datastore being only 10 GB filled over a year and figure I'd report something I thought about skipping. After I updated to Freenet 0.7.5 Build #1233 build01233 Freenet-ext Build #26 r23771 I've noticed that my cache is now 10GB/100GB and the number of keys or the size of cache isn't increasing. (328 281 keys) So maybe another stats bug Store sizes aren't moving either, they haven't reached 10GB yet. So your cache is both not full, and not growing? Ditto your store? How many keys are in each, out of what capacity? For example, my node shows: Keys474,302 2,637,633 Capacity3,068,885 3,068,886 It is normal for your store to fill very, very slowly. It's not desirable, but it is the expected behavior at present. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Mac - Java
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Matthew Toselandt...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: On Wednesday 26 August 2009 20:01:44 Plantaginus wrote: Java to old. Instelled versions: Java Applications: Java SE6 64-bit J2SE 5.0 64-bit J2SE 5.0 32-bit J2se 1.4.2 32-bit That's all I could get via software update. Known problem, Apple's fault. Sorry, not much we can do until Apple releases a new JVM based on 1.6.0_15 or 1.5.0_20. I believe OSX 10.6 includes updated versions. Apparently Apple doesn't consider remote code execution vulnerabilities serious enough to warrant a rapid patch to older versions of OSX, though. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] How can I undo the automatic messaging to my yahoo mailbox?
There is a link at the bottom of every email to unsubscribe: http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 4:54 AM, richard hepplewhiterichardhepplewh...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Michael, How can I undo the automatic messaging to my yahoo mailbox? Thank you very much! Richard. --- On Sat, 8/22/09, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: From: Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org Subject: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 build 1232 To: Discussion of development issues d...@freenetproject.org, support@freenetproject.org Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 11:44 PM Sorry folks, don't use 1231 (fortunately the upload to the auto-update didn't complete), it had a severe bug preventing startup. 1232 fixes this and also has some minor work on plugins. -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Automating console interface
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 5:56 AM, VolodyA! V Anarhistvolo...@whengendarmesleeps.org wrote: Michael Yip wrote: Hi all, I'm currently carrying out a research project on Freenet to try and measure the amount of information one can gain from the observable attributes. I was wondering if there's any way I can automate the commands through the Freenet console interface, in the same way one can write a shell script to automate shell commands? Thanks for your help in advance. Michael ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe If i would be doing something like this i would edit the code itself putting System.err.println(Attribute1 = +attribute1.toString()) of the attributes that i need to capture and then write something to parse wrapper.log file which is where it all will end up. Far better would be freenet.support.Logger.minor(this, messageString);. Replace minor with the log level of your choice. This lets you easily turn it on and off on the config screen. In general, the easiest way to script Freenet is going to be FCP + your scripting language of choice. See http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FreenetFCPSpec2Point0 for details. Also, I think questions like this probably belong on the devl list. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet inside LAN
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 5:05 AM, Alex Pyattaevalex.pyatt...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 6:40 AM, David R. ellimi...@gmail.com wrote: I've just found Freenet, and it looks really great. I've always considered freedom of speech pretty much the most important thing you can have, so I love what this is doing. Anyway, I've had what seems to be a good idea - set up people at my school to use freenet. I'm planning to bundle it with a few other apps (tor, firefox+privacy addons, utorrent, etc) and let people download it and put it on their flash drives, and run it whenever they get on a school computer. As they did this, they'd connect to a mini-freenet (darknet of course), within the school. The main problem I've got here is that freenet doesn't work over LAN, or at least I can't figure out how to make it do so. I don't want one computer on freenet, and the others running a browser pointed to 192.168.1.X. I want to set up a darknet composed of computers within the same LAN. If anyone knows how I could do this, or could suggest another way to do it (I tried WASTE, and couldnt get it going either) I would very much appreciate it. Thanks, Ellimistd ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe The Freenet program has no idea if an IP address is a LAN or WAN address. Because it can not know your exact network settings. The only thing it does is sending packets to other IP addresses. Your users should always point their browsers to 127.0.0.1, not external IP address, since fproxy binds to loopback interface, not external interfaces, otherwise it would require authentification to connect to the node. When you get 3-4 nodes up running, you can try to connect them by exchanging noderefs. to do all this in pure darknet (without access to internet) just remove seednodes.fref file in freenet's root directory. You may put it back when you decide to use opennet. However, since you use LAN, you should probably not use opennet connections, since it is WERY easy to find out that you run freenet when you do so. Hope this helps. No need to delete the seednodes file. Just turn off opennet on the config screen. Running opennet on the LAN should work just fine, with no more security issues than running opennet anywhere else. I've run two nodes on the same LAN; it doesn't require any special configuration. I just turned on opennet on both, then exchanged darknet refs, and they connected over the LAN and connected to the outside world, and it all just worked. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] ?spam? Re: Peer IP address leakage?
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 5:19 AM, Michael Yipmhy...@cs.bham.ac.uk wrote: Dsoslglece wrote: Michael Yip a écrit : Hi, My name is Michael and I'm currently studying the source code of Freenet. I have found that the object reference for all PeerNode objects has the IP address of the peer associated with it. How is anonymity kept with the IP of the peer exposed? I have examined the log file and it seems the object reference of the peers are logged as they are added. What I'm confused is since Freenet seek to promote freedom of speech in the presence of strict government control, if they decide to run a Freenet node and collect IP addresses in this manner, the consequences would be unthinkable I have tested this by adding another node of mine and my IP address appears as expected. Can anyone explain to me why?? Thanks, Michael ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe Hi Michael... it is correct that your IP would be known by your neighbour node, but, he is the only one to be able to identify you... more, and beside the fact of being able to be sure that you are using Freenet (only sure of this), even so, he has no way of knowing if the info or file or whatever, coming to you, or going from you, did or not come or go 10 nodes away from you, since you act also (as a node) in passing packets... and anyway, even so, he is (and you are, and any of your neighbours) unable to know the content of the package, if you didn't create it yourself or ask yourself for it since only the original sender and final receiver are able to know it's content. Hope it was clear... Hi, Thanks for your reply. Taking from the point that IP addresses are known to your peers, I have another question. I've noticed that the hop-to-live counter is decremented according to the policy of: 1) the source node of the request, 2) the node which recently reported fail for a data request or 3) the node handling the request (usually because the node is the source of the request) Ok, so what if I modify the code for my node so that: 1) maxHTL = 1 2) decrementAtMin = false 3) disableProbabilisticHTLs = false Would this mean that my peers would not forward my message any further? This is because if so, this would allow me to probe my peers using my set of keys for data Your peers will sometimes pass on requests at min htl, specifically to avoid this problem. That's what the probabilistic htl thing is for. Turning off probabilistic htl only turns it off on your node; it doesn't change your peers config, obviously. So turning it off will let other people probe your store, but doesn't help you probe theirs. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet inside LAN
Yes and no. It will run just fine, however you'll lose things like the automatic start at bootup. Also, Freenet is not expected to work well with low uptime; it really, really wants to run 24x7 or close to it. Connecting for a couple hours a day won't work nearly as well. Also, I highly recommend using a data store of several GB, which is getting large by flash drive standards. Evan Daniel On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 2:14 PM, David R.ellimi...@gmail.com wrote: Exellent, it works perfectly (in my test, at least. I have yet to try it for for it's real purpose). I don't know why it didn't before, but whatever. Still, I may have another problem - is freenet portable? If I run the installer to install to a flash drive, put firefox-portable on that drive, write a batch script to start freenet and open firefox to 127.0.0.1:, will it work on another computer? (assuming that computer has java). It doesn't seem like freenet would _need_ any registry entries to function, but I'd like to be sure, and i'm not certain I'd catch everything if I did it myself. -Ellimistd On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Evan Daniel eva...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 5:05 AM, Alex Pyattaevalex.pyatt...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 6:40 AM, David R. ellimi...@gmail.com wrote: I've just found Freenet, and it looks really great. I've always considered freedom of speech pretty much the most important thing you can have, so I love what this is doing. Anyway, I've had what seems to be a good idea - set up people at my school to use freenet. I'm planning to bundle it with a few other apps (tor, firefox+privacy addons, utorrent, etc) and let people download it and put it on their flash drives, and run it whenever they get on a school computer. As they did this, they'd connect to a mini-freenet (darknet of course), within the school. The main problem I've got here is that freenet doesn't work over LAN, or at least I can't figure out how to make it do so. I don't want one computer on freenet, and the others running a browser pointed to 192.168.1.X. I want to set up a darknet composed of computers within the same LAN. If anyone knows how I could do this, or could suggest another way to do it (I tried WASTE, and couldnt get it going either) I would very much appreciate it. Thanks, Ellimistd ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe The Freenet program has no idea if an IP address is a LAN or WAN address. Because it can not know your exact network settings. The only thing it does is sending packets to other IP addresses. Your users should always point their browsers to 127.0.0.1, not external IP address, since fproxy binds to loopback interface, not external interfaces, otherwise it would require authentification to connect to the node. When you get 3-4 nodes up running, you can try to connect them by exchanging noderefs. to do all this in pure darknet (without access to internet) just remove seednodes.fref file in freenet's root directory. You may put it back when you decide to use opennet. However, since you use LAN, you should probably not use opennet connections, since it is WERY easy to find out that you run freenet when you do so. Hope this helps. No need to delete the seednodes file. Just turn off opennet on the config screen. Running opennet on the LAN should work just fine, with no more security issues than running opennet anywhere else. I've run two nodes on the same LAN; it doesn't require any special configuration. I just turned on opennet on both, then exchanged darknet refs, and they connected over the LAN and connected to the outside world, and it all just worked. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:59 AM, VolodyA! V Anarhistvolo...@whengendarmesleeps.org wrote: Luke771 wrote: Alex Pyattaev wrote: Ok people, I'll try to adopt my own freenode to track the users that try to connect to freenet. If I come up with solution, I'll indeed tell you. Hope I'll ban some nasty users before you make a patch, so that I can sleep well knowing that my bosses will never know about the freenet users in the LAN=) What you're doing here is catching Opennet users. Pure Darknet users wont be that easy to catch. He has stated that the network does not allow P2P applications running Freenet as pure darknet will technically be F2F, now we can start arguing whether F2F is a subset of P2P or a distinctly different thing. But if we accept that F2F and P2P are different, then people who haven't enabled Opennet are actually not violating that particular network's guidelines. Except that it's really, really obvious that friends are a subset of peers. See definition of peers. In a computing context, peers is as distinct from client/server etc. This is a silly argument, and any sysadmin will (rightly) tell you you're an idiot if you try to make it. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Alex Pyattaevalex.pyatt...@gmail.com wrote: He has stated that the network does not allow P2P applications running Freenet as pure darknet will technically be F2F, now we can start arguing whether F2F is a subset of P2P or a distinctly different thing. But if we accept that F2F and P2P are different, then people who haven't enabled Opennet are actually not violating that particular network's guidelines. Actually, darknet peers inside LAN are not violating ToS, because the inside-network traffic is not an issue. The actual problem is that a bunch of p2p users seeding and leeching from internet can consume every possible bit of channel available on the ISP's connection. That's why they are illegal. The traffic for each user is virtually unlimited, but if you do the math, you will see that without p2p you just can not consume even 2 mbit/s channel, and we provide 10 mbit/s. Thus, when the user is downloading something big from time to time - it works just nice. But when he fills up at list 5 mbit/s with 24/7 p2p exchange the traffic utilization is much bigger than it should be. I have proposed to the managers that we allow p2p for extra charge (or with limited QoS), but they have decided that it will not work out (all that piracy stuff is still an issue). Online gamers are not always client-server. I have stated spring as a typical random-server udp-based game (ta-spring.com), the Company Of heroes also works similarily - host is a random node, and all nodes are interconnected. Indeed, 24x7 active connections can be suspicious, so I hope you will counter this problem so that I don't bother setting up filter. I suggest breaking every single connection that lasts for more than 1 hour, if it is not unique, and then reconnecting after random delay. PS: fuck bosses, I run freenet node myself=) Last I checked, p2p wasn't illegal in any place I know of :) This sounds to me like you really just need better QoS for your users, not to block P2P. It's relatively easy to allocate bandwidth such that everyone gets their fair share, and those that use it *less* get priority over the short term. That means that p2p users can use up any excess bandwidth, but if someone else is just trying to browse the web it will go quickly. Piracy is not the point of Freenet; please don't assume anyone running Freenet is a pirate. You should consult a lawyer about your liability for piracy -- I suspect, however, that you aren't liable until you are notified of a *specific* problem. Also, have you tried just asking your users to set reasonable bandwidth limits? All p2p apps I know of, including Freenet, provide bandwidth limiting controls. Perhaps you should simply inform your users of the situation and what you consider a reasonable bw limit for p2p apps. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] [freenet-dev] Freenet 0.7 build 1229, 1230 and 1231
Congrats :) On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Matthew Toselandt...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: Please upgrade to 1231. Changelogs: 1229: - XML vulnerability warnings fixes. - Fix an NPE in plugins. - Minor internal stuff. 1230: - Detect the XML vulnerability on OS/X. Try to detect it on OpenJDK, maybe not very well. - Clarify an english string (Completed downloads to temporary space not directory). Hmm. For consistency, I think it should be Completed fetches to temporary space. - Sync before closing the new peers file. Some wierd filesystems might need this and we're still getting reports of losing peers on power loss. - Minor internal stuff. 1231: - Increase the maximum peers limit and make it scale with your upstream bandwidth. 11 peers at 10KB/sec, 15 at 20KB/sec, 19 at 30KB/sec, 26 at 60KB/sec, 34 at 100KB/sec and 40 and 140KB/sec. Show the limit on the stats page. - Support BMPs in fproxy (from kurmi's Summer of Code project). - Slightly better (X)HTML support in fproxy. - When changing the store type (most notably when setting the store size in the first time wizard), don't stall for minutes or more preallocating the datastore - do it in the background. IMHO this was a serious problem for new users with a lot of disk space. - Internal changes to the web interface which will make it easier to implement WebDAV in plugins. Requires a new version of XMLSpider. - Persist overall total output/input bytes in the database. - Translation updates and minor english string fixes. - Some workarounds for cruft left in the database by old bugs or by GCJ. - Snoop callbacks for data and metadata, will allow easier listing of the files on a freesite, or make it easier to write things like KeyExplorer. - Saces' multi-container site insert code: many changes merged, still not enabled by default because it still leaks stuff in the database. - Can specify in FCP what compression codecs to use. - Internal and build fixes and more comments and javadocs. Thanks to: saces toad Tommy[D] Markus 3BUIb3S50i platy sdiz Artefact2 infinity0 juiceman ___ Devl mailing list d...@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Time to fill datastore
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Samtest...@codingninjas.org wrote: Hello, I am wondering how long it should take to fill up the datastore of 100g that I setup? It has only filled up about 10g of the 50g (datastore half of datastore). This node has been running 24/7 for almost a year now with the setting of 100g for datastore. The connection speed is 100kB/sec up and down and it averages close to that. I rarely download anything from freenet, but shouldn't other peoples traffic cause my datastore to be filled up by a year of running at 100kB/sec!? Is that normal that it is so incredibly under utilizing the space I have given it? Or is something wrong? Should I nuke it and reinstall freenet completely? I don't want to try nuking it if it is just going to end up taking a year to build up to 10g again. Thanks for any help. Nuking things won't help anything, and is bad for the network. Please don't. Unfortunately, this is a known issue that needs fixing. See eg bugs 2932 and 2933 on the bugtracker. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] No connections at all with build 1230
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 9:25 AM, bqz69bq...@telia.com wrote: On Saturday 15 August 2009 06:55:28 am freenet wrote: Ever since I upgraded to build 1230 I've never been able to establish a connection to any other freenet nodes on the open-net. The statistics page shows: Disconnected: 20 Seed nodes: 18 for the last 48+ hours. I'm running on Mac OS 10.5.7 which is at Java 1.6.0_13 so of course I get the Upgrade your Java immediately! error message. You must update your java to update 15. http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp OSX doesn't have the update available yet, as the OP said. Telling someone to upgrade to a nonexistent version isn't precisely helpful. That said, my OSX laptop is running just fine -- connections work, etc, though obviously I can't use the XML plugins on the laptop until the security update is available. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Need Feedback on a Network Diagram of Freenet
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Frye, David Wdavid.f...@duke-energy.com wrote: I am writing a book about computer security and want to include a very basic diagram of how Freenet and Darknet work. Would it be possible to have someone look over the picture below and verify I have an accurate (basic) understanding of the architecture? The only question I have is, do the other clients provide a role in providing pieces of the data to Client A or do Client A and E communicate directly with each other to transfer the data? Thank you! I think you're heading in the right direction, but not completely accurate. Freenet is both simpler and more complex than your diagram suggests. First, terminology: Freenet is peer to peer; the Freenet software runs nodes or peers. Normally, a person using Freenet runs a single node (copy of the Freenet software). They might also run one or more clients (software that provides some functionality, like file sharing or messaging); each client would talk to the node run by the user. The user's node handles converting the client's requests into network level messages. Freenet doesn't have a high-level structure of distinct networks like your diagram suggests. Each node is connected to some other nodes; they aren't grouped into separate networks*. This is true whether those nodes are opennet or darknet nodes. When a node wants a piece of data, it picks the node it's connected to that's most likely to have it (or know where to find it) and asks that node. This request gets passed along until either the data is found or the request times out with the data not found. Once the data is found, it gets returned to the original requester along the same route; the node that had the data and the node that requested it never talk directly, and don't know who each other are. All any node along the route knows is the previous and next nodes in the route (this is where a large portion of the security of Freenet comes from). The difference between darknet and opennet isn't in how the connections are used, but in how they're made. Opennet connections are made automatically by the nodes. The result is something that doesn't require user intervention to set up, but is less secure: if you enable opennet on your node, then your node broadcasts to the rest of the network the fact that it's running Freenet and how to connect to it, which lets an attacker determine a list of all opennet nodes (with a modest amount of work). Darknet is different: connections are manually established by the user between their node and the node of someone they trust (for definitions of trust that depend highly on individual circumstances). If your node has only darknet connections (you can run a mix of darknet and opennet connections if you like, but you'll only get a partial benefit from it), then it is dark, in the sense of being hard to see. There is no easy way for an attacker to determine that you're running Freenet, to recognize the Freenet connection, etc. Despite the difference in how the connections are established, they're used in the same way at a network level. Requests initiated on a purely darknet node might get routed onto an opennet connection and then onto a different darknet connection. Since you only make darknet connections to people you know, there's a common misconception that you can only get data from your friends; in general, this is not the case. Darknet connections are like real world social connections: you don't know all your friends' friends. Many of your darknet peers are probably connected to each other (your friends know each other), but they also connect to other people you don't know. Your friends connect to people you don't know, who connect to people who don't know your friends, and much like the Kevin Bacon game you're indirectly connected to someone who's also connected to the main opennet network, and from there to the rest of the world. Freenet can then make use of those connections to route requests and data, even though no individual node knows much about the connectivity of the network as a whole. Hopefully that's helpful. Feel free to ask more questions; I or someone else can hopefully answer them. You might find the wiki useful; I've been trying to improve it a bit of late, but it's still somewhat sparse and frequently out of date. Consider looking at eg http://wiki.freenetproject.org/DarkNet and things linked from there. If you're interested in helping the wiki lacks things like nice diagrams -- if you're willing to contribute such, it would be appreciated. * It's possible to have networks that are completely disconnected, but if there exists a route from one node to another, they're on the same network. By the time you have more than a few people on a small disconnected network, someone will probably manage to make a connection to someone who can connect to someone who... and all of a sudden it's not a disconnected network any longer. Evan
Re: [freenet-support] Java
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Ragnarrag...@hush.ai wrote: Hello, Can anyone help with Java and FreeNet not being able to recognize the correct version? What version of Freenet are you running? What version of Java are you using, and what does Freenet think you're using? (If you're referring to the Java version security warning, upgrade to Freenet build 1229.) Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
[freenet-support] Temp dir question (forward from Frost)
(Forwarded from Frost board 'freenet') Toad, I told you our users knew what 'directories' were and that they'd complain when Freenet stopped putting files in them :) The downloads page shouldn't say Completed downloads to temporary directory if it didn't download the files to a temporary directory. (I should have noticed this when testing the relevant changes; I missed it too.) Sometimes I think you worry too much about hypothetical 'newbie users' that we don't have much actual feedback from, to the detriment of the majority of our users, who I think can be described as technically competent, but not experts. Evan Daniel - Anonymous - 2009.08.07 - 00:30:48GMT - Hi My all downloads (from Frost) are going to (fproxy): Completed downloads to temporary directory (4). Where is a temporary directory ?! I couldnot find those files in any /tmp, or Freenet' directory. How i can force Freenet to download all files directly into disk' downloads ? Or maybe I just need to wait some time and files will be moved thee? My Protection if your computer is seized or stolen option is NORMAL. Version: Freenet 0.7.5 Build #1226 build01226 Freenet-ext Build #26 r23771 Please help. :- ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] 301 Moved Permanently ... ugh
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:08 AM, Matthew Toselandt...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: On Tuesday 04 August 2009 05:29:35 Dennis Nezic wrote: For the past few Freenet builds, fproxy's behavior has changed whereby it seems to use http 301 Moved Permanently to redirect downloads of the form 'http://localhost:/c...@../filename' to 'freenet:c...@..' ... but it doesn't seem to include the filename part in the redirected location ... or at least when I 'wget' CHKs it doesn't include the filenames it uses the CHK as the filename :\. I don't think that's new. If the CHK doesn't include the filename as metadata, we redirect it; that's been true for ages. The problem is that I think Frost has a habit of inserting files without a filename (to generate the same CHK), and then inserting another CHK with a filename that redirects to it. Or something equally weird, I'm not clear on the details. The problem it's trying to solve is that the same file with different names should collide (not an uncommon case in the filesharing world). Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] freenet fails to run 3
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Egbert van der Meere.vanderm...@wolmail.nl wrote: I have disabled both antivirus and firewall but it makes no difference. Atached is an plugin report stating the ports are forwarded succesfully. The test using another computer can not perform. Monitoring my CPU does not show any overload. Waiting for more suggestions to solve this problem. UPP plugin report The following device has been found : ZyXEL Prestige 2602H-61 Internet Sharing Gateway Our current external ip address is : (deleted) Our reported max downstream bit rate is : 13220 bits/sec Our reported max upstream bit rate is : 970 bits/sec Your upstream bandwidth is under 1 Kib/s? That's glacial even by dialup standards. I would say that counts as something seriously broken with your connection. Unfortunately, I doubt there's any way to make Freenet work over that slow a connection. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] freenet fails to run 3
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 2:51 AM, Egbert van der Meere.vanderm...@wolmail.nl wrote: What can I do to improve this? Is that really the upstream bandwidth of your connection? If so, you need to get a better Internet connection. If not, you need to determine why Freenet is unable to use your bandwidth. The obvious answers are some other program using it all, or something badly misconfigured. Do you have other programs using significant bandwidth on your connection? If so, try turning them off or limiting their bandwidth usage. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] freenet fails to run 3
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 6:32 AM, Egbert van der Meere.vanderm...@wolmail.nl wrote: No matter wich links I try to load, non of them do. Not after one hour, not after one day and not after one week. I am not new to freenet and I know it is slow but this symply not working at all. Also FROST has problems with it. Looks to me on the contrary it is not working... ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe This is a very weird problem. What browser and OS are you using (including versions)? It would be helpful to have a paste of your full statistics page in advanced mode, your wrapper.log (or at least the recent portions), and your freenet-latest.log. (If they're large, it would be best to put them online somewhere rather than mailing to the list; if you can't do that, emailing them just to me is fine. I'd warn about potential anonymity issues with freenet-latest.log, but it doesn't sound like it's working enough for that to be a problem :/ ) Evan Daniel P.S. If you could continue this thread instead of starting new ones, I would find that easier to organize and see everything you've posted, and be less likely to ask questions you've already answered. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] freenet fails to run 3
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Egbert van der Meere.vanderm...@wolmail.nl wrote: I am using Windows XP and Firefox both up to date. I hope this mail will not bounce because it'srather big. [...] Node status overview * bwlimitDelayTime: 0ms * nodeAveragePingTime: 378ms * darknetSizeEstimateSession: 0 nodes * opennetSizeEstimateSession: 57 nodes * nodeUptime: 58m27s * routingMissDistance: 0, * backedOffPercent: 0,0% * pInstantReject: 100,0% * unclaimedFIFOSize: 0 * RAMBucketPoolSize: 168 B / 10.0 MiB * First, notice the pInstantReject: 100%. This means your node is rejecting all requests, ie something is seriously wrong. This normally means that either your network is badly misbehaving or Freenet is starved for CPU time. Also, total payload output of 0B means that your node has never had a connection to another node that completed and lasted long enough to handle a (successful) request. Second, the wrapper.log shows *lots* of announcements. This isn't normal. I *strongly* suspect there is something wrong with your network connection. The obvious suspects are port forwarding at your router for UDP ports (not TCP!), and your ISP doing something weird. If you're absolutely, 100% certain your UDP ports are properly forwarded, find a computer (ideally on a different ISP) and test whether you can send UDP packets and receive them to the ports in question. I've used iperf for that purpose, but I'm sure there are other ways to do it as well. The other possible source of problems is overzealous or misconfigured firewall or antivirus software. If you're using any such, consider disabling them to test whether that solves the problem. If none of those gets anywhere, I'm stumped. Perhaps someone else has a better idea. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] freenet fails to run 2
Your node is only connected to one other node. This suggests to me that you have problems with your internet connection (misconfigured router, evil ISP, etc). Are the opennet and darknet ports are accessible to the outside world for UDP (forwarded at router, etc)? Has your node correctly detected your external IP address? Evan Daniel On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Egbert van der Meere.vanderm...@wolmail.nl wrote: No the page has stopt updating. I'ts been over 13hours now. Included freenet latest log. jun 20, 2009 02:00:00:512 (freenet.node.PeerManager, PacketSender thread for 10039, NORMAL): Connected: 1 Routing Backed Off: 0 Too New: 0 Too Old: 0 Disconnected: 1 Never Connected: 15 Disabled: 0 Bursting: 0 Listening: 0 Listen Only: 0 Clock Problem: 0 Connection Problem: 0 Disconnecting: 0 jun 20, 2009 02:00:04:856 (freenet.node.FNPPacketMangler, UdpSocketHandler for port 29778(1), NORMAL): We received an unexpected JFK(2) message from jupiter.travisbrown.ca:16145 (time since added: 48859047 time last receive:-1) jun 20, 2009 02:00:05:575 (freenet.node.PeerManager, PacketSender thread for 10039, NORMAL): Connected: 1 Routing Backed Off: 0 Too New: 0 Too Old: 0 Disconnected: 1 Never Connected: 15 Disabled: 0 Bursting: 0 Listening: 0 Listen Only: 0 Clock Problem: 0 Connection Problem: 0 Disconnecting: 0 jun 20, 2009 02:00:10:637 (freenet.node.PeerManager, PacketSender thread for 10039, NORMAL): Connected: 1 Routing Backed Off: 0 Too New: 0 Too Old: 0 Disconnected: 1 Never Connected: 15 Disabled: 0 Bursting: 0 Listening: 0 Listen Only: 0 Clock Problem: 0 Connection Problem: 0 Disconnecting: 0 jun 20, 2009 02:00:12:106 (freenet.node.FNPPacketMangler, UdpSocketHandler for port 29778(1), NORMAL): We received an unexpected JFK(2) message from jupiter.travisbrown.ca:16145 (time since added: 48866297 time last receive:-1) jun 20, 2009 02:00:15:762 (freenet.node.PeerManager, PacketSender thread for 10039, NORMAL): Connected: 1 Routing Backed Off: 0 Too New: 0 Too Old: 0 Disconnected: 1 Never Connected: 15 Disabled: 0 Bursting: 0 Listening: 0 Listen Only: 0 Clock Problem: 0 Connection Problem: 0 Disconnecting: 0 jun 20, 2009 02:00:20:778 (freenet.node.PeerManager, PacketSender thread for 10039, NORMAL): Connected: 1 Routing Backed Off: 0 Too New: 0 Too Old: 0 Disconnected: 1 Never Connected: 15 Disabled: 0 Bursting: 0 Listening: 0 Listen Only: 0 Clock Problem: 0 Connection Problem: 0 Disconnecting: 0 jun 20, 2009 02:00:25:825 (freenet.node.PeerManager, PacketSender thread for 10039, NORMAL): Connected: 1 Routing Backed Off: 0 Too New: 0 Too Old: 0 Disconnected: 1 Never Connected: 15 Disabled: 0 Bursting: 0 Listening: 0 Listen Only: 0 Clock Problem: 0 Connection Problem: 0 Disconnecting: 0 jun 20, 2009 02:00:28:606 (freenet.node.FNPPacketMangler, UdpSocketHandler for port 29778(1), NORMAL): We received an unexpected JFK(2) message from jupiter.travisbrown.ca:16145 (time since added: 48882797 time last receive:-1) jun 20, 2009 02:00:30:090 (freenet.node.MemoryChecker, Scheduled job: freenet.node.memorychec...@10efd7c(259), NORMAL): Memory in use: 36.0 MiB jun 20, 2009 02:00:30:840 (freenet.node.PeerManager, PacketSender thread for 10039, NORMAL): Connected: 1 Routing Backed Off: 0 Too New: 0 Too Old: 0 Disconnected: 1 Never Connected: 15 Disabled: 0 Bursting: 0 Listening: 0 Listen Only: 0 Clock Problem: 0 Connection Problem: 0 Disconnecting: 0 jun 20, 2009 02:00:35:871 (freenet.node.PeerManager, PacketSender thread for 10039, NORMAL): Connected: 1 Routing Backed Off: 0 Too New: 0 Too Old: 0 Disconnected: 1 Never Connected: 15 Disabled: 0 Bursting: 0 Listening: 0 Listen Only: 0 Clock Problem: 0 Connection Problem: 0 Disconnecting: 0 jun 20, 2009 02:00:36:934 (freenet.node.FNPPacketMangler, UdpSocketHandler for port 29778(1), NORMAL): We received an unexpected JFK(2) message from jupiter.travisbrown.ca:16145 (time since added: 48891125 time last receive:-1) jun 20, 2009 02:00:40:950 (freenet.node.PeerManager, PacketSender thread for 10039, NORMAL): Connected: 1 Routing Backed Off: 0 Too New: 0 Too Old: 0 Disconnected: 1 Never Connected: 15 Disabled: 0 Bursting: 0 Listening: 0 Listen Only: 0 Clock Problem: 0 Connection Problem: 0 Disconnecting: 0 jun 20, 2009 02:00:46:043 (freenet.node.PeerManager, PacketSender thread for 10039, NORMAL): Connected: 1 Routing Backed Off: 0 Too New: 0 Too Old: 0 Disconnected: 1 Never Connected: 15 Disabled: 0 Bursting: 0 Listening: 0 Listen Only: 0 Clock Problem: 0 Connection Problem: 0 Disconnecting: 0 jun 20, 2009 02:00:51:106 (freenet.node.PeerManager, PacketSender thread for 10039, NORMAL): Connected: 1 Routing Backed Off: 0 Too New: 0 Too Old: 0 Disconnected: 1 Never Connected: 15 Disabled: 0 Bursting: 0 Listening: 0 Listen Only: 0 Clock Problem: 0 Connection Problem: 0 Disconnecting
Re: [freenet-support] Fwd: How to increase the store?
In either case, you have to let it finish. This is a slow process, and requires enough space to hold both the old and new store on the disk at the same time. Setting preallocate datastore and resize store on node start both to true will make it run faster, though the node won't be usable during the resize. If you want it to run faster, the only solution I know of is to use a faster disk. Unfortunately, the resize does a lot of random io, rather than sequential, which makes it very slow. Evan Daniel On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 2:03 PM, bbac...@googlemail.com wrote: Now, after the reset to 90GiB, the node starts again with the migration: INFO | jvm 1 | 2009/06/16 20:00:37 | CHK-cache cleaner in progress: 0/1534443 Had to stop it. When there is no solution I have to delete the store and start a new one? -- Forwarded message -- From: bbac...@googlemail.com Date: Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 19:43 Subject: How to increase the store? To: support@freenetproject.org I wanted to increase my datastore from 90 to 100GiB. Changed the setting, and set 'preallocate datastore' to false (also tried with true, same result). Shortly after restart the node starts to access each single key: INFO | jvm 1 | 2009/06/15 07:10:23 | PUBKEY-cache cleaner in progress: 1376135/1380999 INFO | jvm 1 | 2009/06/15 07:12:00 | CHK-cache cleaner in progress: 0/1380999 The CHK process ran for more than 14 hours, and then it didn't even reach 30% progress. I had to stop the migration. I set the node size back to 90GiB, and now my cache utilization is at 5,5% (before it was 99%). So most of the data is gone. But however, how can I increase the store without the never-ending migration? FYI: I run freenet on a laptop, the store is on an external USB hard disk. -- __ GnuPG key: (0x48DBFA8A) Keyserver: pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de Fingerprint: 477D F057 1BD4 1AE7 8A54 8679 6690 E2EC 48DB FA8A __ -- __ GnuPG key: (0x48DBFA8A) Keyserver: pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de Fingerprint: 477D F057 1BD4 1AE7 8A54 8679 6690 E2EC 48DB FA8A __ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet HTML page loads only partially
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Prawda2prawda2.i...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:41 PM, bo-lebo...@web.de wrote: the cut off text begins with: a name=maciej_jachowicz style=co watch the extra , this error makes the content filter stop. just fix the fatal html error(s)/typos and insert again. ;) indeed, that was the problem. thanks a lot! I'd never figure it out. It seems to me that this is a bug; the filter should not silently chop off data. If it can't pass the data through, it should warn the user about what it is doing instead. Possibly with a screen like the unsafe content screen, with options display unfiltered, display partial page, display as text or a similar set. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
[freenet-support] Is it my system, or had builds 1208-1209 have severe performance issues?
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Wednesday 13 May 2009 18:29:47 Evan Daniel wrote: >> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Matthew Toseland >> wrote: >> > On Friday 08 May 2009 17:40:58 Juiceman wrote: >> >> >> Weird. ?node.db4o was an insane 375 MB. ?I deleted it and and added a >> >> >> bunch of downloads. ?Now it is less than 10 MB. ?That definitely >> >> >> helped some with the disk thrashing. >> >> >> >> >> >> I think I found the main problem, and I'm embarrassed to say >> >> >> apparantly I had xmlspider plugin running and writing GB+ files to the >> >> >> same disk the node resides on. ?I turned this off and the disk usage >> >> >> became manageable. >> >> >> >> >> >> I also upgraded my HDD from an older 2 MB cache model to one with 16 >> >> >> MB and now Freenet is zipping along nicely. >> >> >> >> >> >> I did see some errors in the log so I am sending it to Toad for > review. >> >> >> >> >> >> P.S. I would recommend not installing the xmlspider by default on >> > installs. >> >> >> >> >> >> Victor - might this be your issue as well? >> >> > >> >> > ROFL. So that just leaves victor... >> >> >> >> Is it normal that node.db4o never shrinks? ?I have completed all the >> >> downloads I had running and removed them from the page, yet node.db4o >> >> doesn't get smaller. ?I have rebooted the node also. ?This IMHO is bad >> >> because it will eventually kill performance with disk access... >> > >> > Yes, the only way to ensure it shrinks is to defrag it. This is on the > todo >> > list, but it does not seem urgent to me. Is it really a huge, monstrous, >> > evil, all-consuming problem more urgent than the 500 other things we have > to >> > deal with? >> >> I see two issues. ?First, my node.db4o has broken 100MiB. ?That's not >> a problem, but eventually it would be. ?I can deal with this by >> emptying my download / upload queues, deleting it, and re-adding any >> keys, but that's annoying. ?It's not urgent, but an option to defrag >> at startup would be nice if it doesn't take too much of your time. >> > How much have you had in your queue so far? > About 3GiB, maybe a little less. Evan Daniel
Re: [freenet-support] Is it my system, or had builds 1208-1209 have severe performance issues?
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: On Wednesday 13 May 2009 18:29:47 Evan Daniel wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: On Friday 08 May 2009 17:40:58 Juiceman wrote: Weird. node.db4o was an insane 375 MB. I deleted it and and added a bunch of downloads. Now it is less than 10 MB. That definitely helped some with the disk thrashing. I think I found the main problem, and I'm embarrassed to say apparantly I had xmlspider plugin running and writing GB+ files to the same disk the node resides on. I turned this off and the disk usage became manageable. I also upgraded my HDD from an older 2 MB cache model to one with 16 MB and now Freenet is zipping along nicely. I did see some errors in the log so I am sending it to Toad for review. P.S. I would recommend not installing the xmlspider by default on installs. Victor - might this be your issue as well? ROFL. So that just leaves victor... Is it normal that node.db4o never shrinks? I have completed all the downloads I had running and removed them from the page, yet node.db4o doesn't get smaller. I have rebooted the node also. This IMHO is bad because it will eventually kill performance with disk access... Yes, the only way to ensure it shrinks is to defrag it. This is on the todo list, but it does not seem urgent to me. Is it really a huge, monstrous, evil, all-consuming problem more urgent than the 500 other things we have to deal with? I see two issues. First, my node.db4o has broken 100MiB. That's not a problem, but eventually it would be. I can deal with this by emptying my download / upload queues, deleting it, and re-adding any keys, but that's annoying. It's not urgent, but an option to defrag at startup would be nice if it doesn't take too much of your time. How much have you had in your queue so far? About 3GiB, maybe a little less. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
[freenet-support] Is it my system, or had builds 1208-1209 have severe performance issues?
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Friday 08 May 2009 17:40:58 Juiceman wrote: >> >> Weird. ?node.db4o was an insane 375 MB. ?I deleted it and and added a >> >> bunch of downloads. ?Now it is less than 10 MB. ?That definitely >> >> helped some with the disk thrashing. >> >> >> >> I think I found the main problem, and I'm embarrassed to say >> >> apparantly I had xmlspider plugin running and writing GB+ files to the >> >> same disk the node resides on. ?I turned this off and the disk usage >> >> became manageable. >> >> >> >> I also upgraded my HDD from an older 2 MB cache model to one with 16 >> >> MB and now Freenet is zipping along nicely. >> >> >> >> I did see some errors in the log so I am sending it to Toad for review. >> >> >> >> P.S. I would recommend not installing the xmlspider by default on > installs. >> >> >> >> Victor - might this be your issue as well? >> > >> > ROFL. So that just leaves victor... >> >> Is it normal that node.db4o never shrinks? ?I have completed all the >> downloads I had running and removed them from the page, yet node.db4o >> doesn't get smaller. ?I have rebooted the node also. ?This IMHO is bad >> because it will eventually kill performance with disk access... > > Yes, the only way to ensure it shrinks is to defrag it. This is on the todo > list, but it does not seem urgent to me. Is it really a huge, monstrous, > evil, all-consuming problem more urgent than the 500 other things we have to > deal with? I see two issues. First, my node.db4o has broken 100MiB. That's not a problem, but eventually it would be. I can deal with this by emptying my download / upload queues, deleting it, and re-adding any keys, but that's annoying. It's not urgent, but an option to defrag at startup would be nice if it doesn't take too much of your time. Second issue is a minor security thing. I'm probably less paranoid than most Freenet users, but I would like to know that after I download a file, the traces left behind by doing so are well defined. That would include the file itself and the fact that its blocks are in my cache. I'd rather not also have that info in the node.db4o file (is it encrypted?). Again, not urgent, but worth dealing with eventually. The truly paranoid will have motion detectors that unmount their encrypted filesystems and start scrubbing RAM before the Bad Guys (TM) can sit down at the keyboard, right? Evan Daniel
[freenet-support] Please answer a quick survey on Freenet
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > What OS do you use for Freenet? Debian Lenny > What is your current datastore size set to? 100GiB > What is your output bandwidth limit set to? 30KiB/s > What actual bandwidth usage do you typically get? 28KiB/s > This will help us to make decisions about new performance features ... > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe >
Re: [freenet-support] Please answer a quick survey on Freenet
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: What OS do you use for Freenet? Debian Lenny What is your current datastore size set to? 100GiB What is your output bandwidth limit set to? 30KiB/s What actual bandwidth usage do you typically get? 28KiB/s This will help us to make decisions about new performance features ... ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
[freenet-support] How does a Freenet newbie get Freenet friends to become invisible
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:22 AM, bqz69 wrote: > I have almost made a supplementary Freenet, Freemail, JSite -and FMS > minihowto, but I need an important question answered. > > How does a Freenet newbie, who urgently needs Freenet for some purpose, add > reference nodes of Friends, when he/she does not have any Freenet Friends, > but is all on his own? > > This is a question about finding Freenet friends, and not about adding the > very reference node (that I know already) > > Freenet becomes more and more rurgent, I find > > I need it explained in down to earth words? > > It is a very relevant question I hope. :-) Short answer: you don't. Longer answer: the point of the Friends nodes is that the nodes are run by people you trust (for some value of trust). In order for that to be meaningful, you have to know the person in some context other than as a potential person to swap noderefs with. If you only know them as someone to swap noderefs with, then it's not particularly more or less secure than the automatic Strangers connections -- in either case, the people you're connecting to might be Bad Guys in disguise. So, in order to add Friends nodes in a manner that actually improves your security, you have to find people you know who run freenet -- if you don't know any such, then the best thing to do is convince your friends to run freenet, and swap noderefs with them. There simply isn't a shortcut here; if you want better security than the Strangers mode offers, you need to have some non-freenet-based trust in the person you're connecting to. (However, there's no requirement that you know the person in real life -- online friends who you know from another context work fine too.) Exactly how much you need to trust the Friends you connect to will depend on your personal situation. Hope that clears things up... Evan Daniel
[freenet-support] FMS Woes
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 1:32 AM, MyTwoCents wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On Tue, 6 May 2008, "Evan Daniel" wrote: > >On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:39 PM, MyTwoCents > wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> I was going to just post this on my flog (which I did) but decided that > >> since I've no idea if any devs read it, I want to be certain that it gets > >> SOME actual notice by developer types and thus posted it here also > >> > >> I've been taking a bit of time lately to check in on 0.7 again and have > >> been trying out FMS. I have to say that while the idea is a good one, > has > >> a few things that need to be addressed. Specifically the process of > >> announcing new identities has problems. > >> > >> 1) The capcha images themselves have absolutely GOT to be changed. > >> Because: "You must have at least 1 identity created and have received the > >> SSK keypair for it from Freenet before setting trust.", I cannot post > >> messages yet, I have been able to read a few, including one: > >> > >> Subject: Re: current CAPTCHAs suck > >> From: The Seeker at cI~w2hrvvyUa1E6PhJ9j5cCoG1xmxSooi7Nez4V2Gd4 > >> Date: Thu, 01 May 08 21:31:52 - > >> Message-ID: > >> cIw2hrvvyUa1E6PhJ9j5cCoG1xmxSooi7Nez4 > >> V2Gd4> > >> > >> That expresses the opinion that the captchas are more likely to be solved > >> by a program than a human. > >> > >> Having spent a few hours trying in vain to read the damn things, I have > to > >> say that I wouldn't be surprized if that were true. Of course, I also > >> think that they were specifically designed to make life difficult for > >> people with vision impairments. > >> > >> The images need to be something that an actual human will have little to > no > >> trouble reading them. Unfortunately, the graphic abortions that are in > use > >> now are apparently impossible for me to read, since I've been "solving" > >> (not that I know if they're 'solved' or just wrong.) them for the better > >> part of a week now and have yet to get my identity announced. > >> > >> Which brings me to #2. > >> > >> How about some feedback? > >> > >> Specifically, when I "solve" a captcha, how about telling me if I got it > >> right or not? My thought, present captchas one at a time. Allow user to > >> fill in and submit. If incorrect, TELL THE USER!!!, then present them > with > >> a new one. If it's correct, again TELL THE USER!!! then present them > with > >> a new one. > >> > >> This business of sitting here going nearly blind trying to read faint, > >> almost invisible characters is bad enough, not even knowing if I actually > >> got one right is liable to make somebody homicidal. There's absolutely > >> ZERO reason for this to be a fargin guessing game! > >> > >> Frankly, if I ever get my hands on the > >> absolute-brain-dead-moron-studying-to-be-an-idiot-and-failing-miserably > >> that decided to use that kind of damn-near-invisible-characters-image I'm > >> going to print out 10,000 pages of them on plywood sheeds and make him > eat > >> them while I beat him to death with my monitor! > >> > >> Can you tell I'm more than just casually frustrated here? Good! > >> > >> WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE FIX THE DAMNED CAPTCHAS ON FMS?!? > >> > >> The preceeding was written while frustrated and angry and then posted > >> anyway to make a point. > >> > >> - -- > >> My public keys can be found on my freenet site: > >> SSK at TEx6TiaPeszpV4AFw3ToutDb49EPAgM/mytwocents/62//m2ckey.html > >> (*NOTE* you must be running freenet for this link to be usefull) > >> and on public keyservers. Key-Id: 0x92769D7E > >> Fingerprint: 2F07D586C8D4EEA732711338CFEF46E592769D7E > >> I can be reached either by the NiM form on the freesite or by > >> Email: m2c AT nym.panta-rhei.eu.org > >> Frost: MyTwoCents at Z+59LNK9NhMvxewYggENU4Ww50s On the 0.5 Freenet board > >> > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > >> Version: N/A > >> > >> iQA/AwUBSCDgbJ5/ZUtfDwnNEQL29wCfW8gK6/+WA3h7bqnKxeIdzQ30GAcAn2ja > >
Re: [freenet-support] FMS Woes
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 1:32 AM, MyTwoCents [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 6 May 2008, Evan Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:39 PM, MyTwoCents [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I was going to just post this on my flog (which I did) but decided that since I've no idea if any devs read it, I want to be certain that it gets SOME actual notice by developer types and thus posted it here also I've been taking a bit of time lately to check in on 0.7 again and have been trying out FMS. I have to say that while the idea is a good one, has a few things that need to be addressed. Specifically the process of announcing new identities has problems. 1) The capcha images themselves have absolutely GOT to be changed. Because: You must have at least 1 identity created and have received the SSK keypair for it from Freenet before setting trust., I cannot post messages yet, I have been able to read a few, including one: Subject: Re: current CAPTCHAs suck From: The [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 01 May 08 21:31:52 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] V2Gd4 That expresses the opinion that the captchas are more likely to be solved by a program than a human. Having spent a few hours trying in vain to read the damn things, I have to say that I wouldn't be surprized if that were true. Of course, I also think that they were specifically designed to make life difficult for people with vision impairments. The images need to be something that an actual human will have little to no trouble reading them. Unfortunately, the graphic abortions that are in use now are apparently impossible for me to read, since I've been solving (not that I know if they're 'solved' or just wrong.) them for the better part of a week now and have yet to get my identity announced. Which brings me to #2. How about some feedback? Specifically, when I solve a captcha, how about telling me if I got it right or not? My thought, present captchas one at a time. Allow user to fill in and submit. If incorrect, TELL THE USER!!!, then present them with a new one. If it's correct, again TELL THE USER!!! then present them with a new one. This business of sitting here going nearly blind trying to read faint, almost invisible characters is bad enough, not even knowing if I actually got one right is liable to make somebody homicidal. There's absolutely ZERO reason for this to be a fargin guessing game! Frankly, if I ever get my hands on the absolute-brain-dead-moron-studying-to-be-an-idiot-and-failing-miserably that decided to use that kind of damn-near-invisible-characters-image I'm going to print out 10,000 pages of them on plywood sheeds and make him eat them while I beat him to death with my monitor! Can you tell I'm more than just casually frustrated here? Good! WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE FIX THE DAMNED CAPTCHAS ON FMS?!? The preceeding was written while frustrated and angry and then posted anyway to make a point. - -- My public keys can be found on my freenet site: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/mytwocents/62//m2ckey.html (*NOTE* you must be running freenet for this link to be usefull) and on public keyservers. Key-Id: 0x92769D7E Fingerprint: 2F07D586C8D4EEA732711338CFEF46E592769D7E I can be reached either by the NiM form on the freesite or by Email: m2c AT nym.panta-rhei.eu.org Frost: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the 0.5 Freenet board -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: N/A iQA/AwUBSCDgbJ5/ZUtfDwnNEQL29wCfW8gK6/+WA3h7bqnKxeIdzQ30GAcAn2ja DbIHNfhKs12uZq8FvGYc340y =l+8j -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I tried to read your flog but couldn't; your SSK is malformed. That's not malformed. It's an 0.5 key. My flog is mirrored on both networks 0.7 key is (wordwrap is probably gonna kill this. ymmv) [EMAIL PROTECTED],rQ8XqGy-MFZIMbM3zWE0VwXzNUf T7lcp5gVYOoFFzio,AQACAAE/mytwocents/11/ (it's also listed on 'Another Index') There are ways other than captchas to announce yourself. If I knew what your identity was I'd be happy to add it, as you're obviously human. I'd take you up on that if it werent for a stubborn streak that insists on my being able to do it myself by following the few directions I could find and the software working and letting me in. You could post a patch with better captchas. As the initiator of the If I had the skills
[freenet-support] FMS Woes
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Evan Daniel wrote: > > On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:39 PM, MyTwoCents > wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I was going to just post this on my flog (which I did) but decided that > > since I've no idea if any devs read it, I want to be certain that it gets > > SOME actual notice by developer types and thus posted it here also > > > > I've been taking a bit of time lately to check in on 0.7 again and have > > been trying out FMS. I have to say that while the idea is a good one, has > > a few things that need to be addressed. Specifically the process of > > announcing new identities has problems. > > > > 1) The capcha images themselves have absolutely GOT to be changed. > > Because: "You must have at least 1 identity created and have received the > > SSK keypair for it from Freenet before setting trust.", I cannot post > > messages yet, I have been able to read a few, including one: > > > > Subject: Re: current CAPTCHAs suck > > From: The Seeker at cI~w2hrvvyUa1E6PhJ9j5cCoG1xmxSooi7Nez4V2Gd4 > > Date: Thu, 01 May 08 21:31:52 - > > Message-ID: > > cIw2hrvvyUa1E6PhJ9j5cCoG1xmxSooi7Nez4 > > V2Gd4> > > > > That expresses the opinion that the captchas are more likely to be solved > > by a program than a human. > > > > Having spent a few hours trying in vain to read the damn things, I have to > > say that I wouldn't be surprized if that were true. Of course, I also > > think that they were specifically designed to make life difficult for > > people with vision impairments. > > > > The images need to be something that an actual human will have little to > no > > trouble reading them. Unfortunately, the graphic abortions that are in use > > now are apparently impossible for me to read, since I've been "solving" > > (not that I know if they're 'solved' or just wrong.) them for the better > > part of a week now and have yet to get my identity announced. > > > > Which brings me to #2. > > > > How about some feedback? > > > > Specifically, when I "solve" a captcha, how about telling me if I got it > > right or not? My thought, present captchas one at a time. Allow user to > > fill in and submit. If incorrect, TELL THE USER!!!, then present them > with > > a new one. If it's correct, again TELL THE USER!!! then present them with > > a new one. > > > > This business of sitting here going nearly blind trying to read faint, > > almost invisible characters is bad enough, not even knowing if I actually > > got one right is liable to make somebody homicidal. There's absolutely > > ZERO reason for this to be a fargin guessing game! > > > > Frankly, if I ever get my hands on the > > absolute-brain-dead-moron-studying-to-be-an-idiot-and-failing-miserably > > that decided to use that kind of damn-near-invisible-characters-image I'm > > going to print out 10,000 pages of them on plywood sheeds and make him eat > > them while I beat him to death with my monitor! > > > > Can you tell I'm more than just casually frustrated here? Good! > > > > WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE FIX THE DAMNED CAPTCHAS ON FMS?!? > > > > The preceeding was written while frustrated and angry and then posted > > anyway to make a point. > > > > - -- > > My public keys can be found on my freenet site: > > SSK at TEx6TiaPeszpV4AFw3ToutDb49EPAgM/mytwocents/62//m2ckey.html > > (*NOTE* you must be running freenet for this link to be usefull) > > and on public keyservers. Key-Id: 0x92769D7E > > Fingerprint: 2F07D586C8D4EEA732711338CFEF46E592769D7E > > I can be reached either by the NiM form on the freesite or by > > Email: m2c AT nym.panta-rhei.eu.org > > Frost: MyTwoCents at Z+59LNK9NhMvxewYggENU4Ww50s On the 0.5 Freenet board > > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > > Version: N/A > > > > iQA/AwUBSCDgbJ5/ZUtfDwnNEQL29wCfW8gK6/+WA3h7bqnKxeIdzQ30GAcAn2ja > > DbIHNfhKs12uZq8FvGYc340y > > =l+8j > > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > > ___ > > Support mailing list > > Support at freenetproject.org > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > >
[freenet-support] FMS Woes
e captchas. If this creates a spam problem, I apologize; somebody tell me if I'm announcing all the spammers and don't notice :D I won't post the changes I made. They're trivial and anyone else can make similar ones, and besides having more variety is probably not a bad thing. I encourage people to do the same, provided they're willing to pay attention in case they end up announcing spammers. Evan Daniel
Re: [freenet-support] FMS Woes
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:39 PM, MyTwoCents [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I was going to just post this on my flog (which I did) but decided that since I've no idea if any devs read it, I want to be certain that it gets SOME actual notice by developer types and thus posted it here also I've been taking a bit of time lately to check in on 0.7 again and have been trying out FMS. I have to say that while the idea is a good one, has a few things that need to be addressed. Specifically the process of announcing new identities has problems. 1) The capcha images themselves have absolutely GOT to be changed. Because: You must have at least 1 identity created and have received the SSK keypair for it from Freenet before setting trust., I cannot post messages yet, I have been able to read a few, including one: Subject: Re: current CAPTCHAs suck From: The [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 01 May 08 21:31:52 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] V2Gd4 That expresses the opinion that the captchas are more likely to be solved by a program than a human. Having spent a few hours trying in vain to read the damn things, I have to say that I wouldn't be surprized if that were true. Of course, I also think that they were specifically designed to make life difficult for people with vision impairments. The images need to be something that an actual human will have little to no trouble reading them. Unfortunately, the graphic abortions that are in use now are apparently impossible for me to read, since I've been solving (not that I know if they're 'solved' or just wrong.) them for the better part of a week now and have yet to get my identity announced. Which brings me to #2. How about some feedback? Specifically, when I solve a captcha, how about telling me if I got it right or not? My thought, present captchas one at a time. Allow user to fill in and submit. If incorrect, TELL THE USER!!!, then present them with a new one. If it's correct, again TELL THE USER!!! then present them with a new one. This business of sitting here going nearly blind trying to read faint, almost invisible characters is bad enough, not even knowing if I actually got one right is liable to make somebody homicidal. There's absolutely ZERO reason for this to be a fargin guessing game! Frankly, if I ever get my hands on the absolute-brain-dead-moron-studying-to-be-an-idiot-and-failing-miserably that decided to use that kind of damn-near-invisible-characters-image I'm going to print out 10,000 pages of them on plywood sheeds and make him eat them while I beat him to death with my monitor! Can you tell I'm more than just casually frustrated here? Good! WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE FIX THE DAMNED CAPTCHAS ON FMS?!? The preceeding was written while frustrated and angry and then posted anyway to make a point. - -- My public keys can be found on my freenet site: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/mytwocents/62//m2ckey.html (*NOTE* you must be running freenet for this link to be usefull) and on public keyservers. Key-Id: 0x92769D7E Fingerprint: 2F07D586C8D4EEA732711338CFEF46E592769D7E I can be reached either by the NiM form on the freesite or by Email: m2c AT nym.panta-rhei.eu.org Frost: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the 0.5 Freenet board -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: N/A iQA/AwUBSCDgbJ5/ZUtfDwnNEQL29wCfW8gK6/+WA3h7bqnKxeIdzQ30GAcAn2ja DbIHNfhKs12uZq8FvGYc340y =l+8j -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I tried to read your flog but couldn't; your SSK is malformed. There are ways other than captchas to announce yourself. If I knew what your identity was I'd be happy to add it, as you're obviously human. You could post a patch with better captchas. As the initiator of the thread you referenced, I would be in favor. I've got some code I'm playing with, but it's not there yet. Working on other people's code always feels more like work than fun, and the same is true of C++, so it probably won't get posted for a while yet. In the meantime I've modified the FMS source so that my node will post easier versions of the same captchas. If this creates a spam problem, I apologize; somebody tell me if I'm announcing all the spammers and don't notice :D I won't post the changes I made. They're trivial and anyone else can make similar ones, and besides having more variety is probably not a bad thing. I encourage people to do the same, provided they're willing to pay attention in case they end up announcing spammers. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org
[freenet-support] towards Freenet 0.7.0
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Thursday 01 May 2008 16:20, sich wrote: > > Ermanno Baschiera a ?crit : > > > Hi, > > > In my opinion a good bandwidth control system should be necessary. I > > > read that at the moment it's not very accurate. I think that all > > > people with low bandwidth can benefit from an accurate bandwidth > > > control. I mean... think about new comers who want to give a try > > > running Freenet... They keep the node up for some days... their MSN > > > starts to disconnect every 5 minutes, surfing becomes slow and they > > > often have to reload pages... even if they set their node's output > > > bandwidth to a resonable value. I'm afraid they at last could give up > > > and unistall freenet. > > > I had those problems, but with the last 3-4 builds, it happens much > > > less often, and I can't exclude that it could be my isp's fault (maybe > > > throttling?) or something else, not Freenet. Anyway, an accurate > > > bandwidth control cannot hurt. > > > > > > -Ermanno Baschiera > > For me the problem is that Freenet don't use all the bandwitch > > avaible... I have very good bandwitch but Freenet is only using around > > 40ko/s... > > Do you have 0% pInstantReject as well? If so, your node is accepting every > request sent to it, yet is still not using much bandwidth (compared to what > it could do). Which is what I find on my node when I run with a high bwlimit: > our neighbours simply don't send us enough requests to use up all the > bandwidth, even taking into account that their neighbours are probably > rejecting a lot of requests, so we probably get a lot of the rejected > requests due to not being backed off. > > I don't know that there's much that can be done about this. Load limiting > adapts to the average network conditions, and we can't go too much beyond > that without breaking routing. You could increase the number of peers, and thus get more traffic... Evan Daniel
[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
On 30 Aug 2006 04:50:23 -, Anonymous via Panta Rhei > Perhaps I was not sufficiently clear. Linux is not an acceptable answer. > Machine limitations are a major part of that, but other considerations > that I am not at liberty to discuss are also a factor. > > Changing OS is not an option no matter what. I have made poor choices due > to financial limitations and now am locked into those choices for at least > another 9.85 years. (and yeah, it sucks to be me.) > > On the other hand, I have seen reports of people successfully running 0.7 > on a Windows 98 computer with little difficulty. Because of this, I do not > comprehend the apparent reluctance to divulge the requested help. I don't think there's any 'reluctance,' I think it's just that no one does that, so they're not particularly inclined to offer advice on how to run something on an OS they don't have. Have you looked at the support wiki (I haven't)? Also, have you described the symptoms of the problem in detail on this list (at a quick glance I don't see such, and I'm not going to bother hunting in detail when the anonymization makes it harder)? And I confess I'm quite confused by your hardware problems -- if you had a weird peripheral that Linux didn't like, that wouldn't surprise me, but I really can't imagine a computer that can run 98 but not Linux, at least as far as basics like network and non-accelerated graphics go. And it can't be a problem of not enough disk / memory / cpu -- Freenet is *way* more demanding than any minimalist Linux distro, and likely most non-minimalist ones if you at least chose a wm that's lighter than KDE or Gnome. My personal choice would be Enlightenment, but there are plenty of others, some of them exceedingly lightweight. (And yes, I've installed Linux on weird "windows-only" hardware. It can be a pain, but it can be done. Don't get me started on Toshiba laptops...) Evan
[freenet-support] can freenet use this technology?
No. Quantum cryptography, key distribution, etc. all rely on the ability of communicators to exchange objects like qbits or entangled photons. Properly designed, this provides a guarantee (backed by the Uncertainty Principle) that the communication can't be intercepted. Needless to say, I can't send you a photon over the internet. And, any attempt to send a digital representation of one suffers because digital data can be read non-destructively. Basically a quantum crypto based network would need, at a minimum, physical fiber optic links between the participants. HTH Evan On 8/29/06, remailer at invalid.com wrote: > -BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- > Message-type: plaintext > > > > this tech, or an algo based on it? > > > Quantum cryptographic data network created > http://www.dailyindia.com/show/55384.php/Quantum-cryptographic-data-network-created > > EVANSTON, Ill., Aug. 28 (UPI) -- U.S. scientists have demonstrated, for the > first time, a quantum cryptographic data network. > > Researchers from Northwestern University and BBN Technologies Inc., a > Cambridge, Mass., research and development company, said they integrated > quantum noise protected data encryption, or QDE, with quantum key > distribution to develop a complete data communication system with > extraordinary resilience to eavesdropping. > > "The volume and type of sensitive information being transmitted over data > networks continues to grow at a remarkable pace," said Prem Kumar, professor > of electrical engineering and computer science at Northwestern and > co-principal investigator on the project. "New cryptographic methods are > needed to continue ensuring that the privacy and safety of each user's > information is secure." > > The QDE method, called AlphaEta, makes use of the inherent and irreducible > quantum noise in laser light to enhance the security of the system and makes > eavesdropping much more difficult. The scientists said unlike most other > physical encryption methods, AlphaEta maintains performance on par with > traditional optical communications links and is compatible with standard > fiber optical networks. > > Henry Yeh, director of programs at BBN, said the newly developed system > represents the state-of-the-art in ultra-secure high-speed optical > communications. > > Copyright 2006 by United Press International > > > -END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > >
Re: [freenet-support] can freenet use this technology?
No. Quantum cryptography, key distribution, etc. all rely on the ability of communicators to exchange objects like qbits or entangled photons. Properly designed, this provides a guarantee (backed by the Uncertainty Principle) that the communication can't be intercepted. Needless to say, I can't send you a photon over the internet. And, any attempt to send a digital representation of one suffers because digital data can be read non-destructively. Basically a quantum crypto based network would need, at a minimum, physical fiber optic links between the participants. HTH Evan On 8/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- Message-type: plaintext this tech, or an algo based on it? Quantum cryptographic data network created http://www.dailyindia.com/show/55384.php/Quantum-cryptographic-data-network-created EVANSTON, Ill., Aug. 28 (UPI) -- U.S. scientists have demonstrated, for the first time, a quantum cryptographic data network. Researchers from Northwestern University and BBN Technologies Inc., a Cambridge, Mass., research and development company, said they integrated quantum noise protected data encryption, or QDE, with quantum key distribution to develop a complete data communication system with extraordinary resilience to eavesdropping. The volume and type of sensitive information being transmitted over data networks continues to grow at a remarkable pace, said Prem Kumar, professor of electrical engineering and computer science at Northwestern and co-principal investigator on the project. New cryptographic methods are needed to continue ensuring that the privacy and safety of each user's information is secure. The QDE method, called AlphaEta, makes use of the inherent and irreducible quantum noise in laser light to enhance the security of the system and makes eavesdropping much more difficult. The scientists said unlike most other physical encryption methods, AlphaEta maintains performance on par with traditional optical communications links and is compatible with standard fiber optical networks. Henry Yeh, director of programs at BBN, said the newly developed system represents the state-of-the-art in ultra-secure high-speed optical communications. Copyright 2006 by United Press International -END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
On 30 Aug 2006 04:50:23 -, Anonymous via Panta Rhei Perhaps I was not sufficiently clear. Linux is not an acceptable answer. Machine limitations are a major part of that, but other considerations that I am not at liberty to discuss are also a factor. Changing OS is not an option no matter what. I have made poor choices due to financial limitations and now am locked into those choices for at least another 9.85 years. whine(and yeah, it sucks to be me.)/whine On the other hand, I have seen reports of people successfully running 0.7 on a Windows 98 computer with little difficulty. Because of this, I do not comprehend the apparent reluctance to divulge the requested help. I don't think there's any 'reluctance,' I think it's just that no one does that, so they're not particularly inclined to offer advice on how to run something on an OS they don't have. Have you looked at the support wiki (I haven't)? Also, have you described the symptoms of the problem in detail on this list (at a quick glance I don't see such, and I'm not going to bother hunting in detail when the anonymization makes it harder)? And I confess I'm quite confused by your hardware problems -- if you had a weird peripheral that Linux didn't like, that wouldn't surprise me, but I really can't imagine a computer that can run 98 but not Linux, at least as far as basics like network and non-accelerated graphics go. And it can't be a problem of not enough disk / memory / cpu -- Freenet is *way* more demanding than any minimalist Linux distro, and likely most non-minimalist ones if you at least chose a wm that's lighter than KDE or Gnome. My personal choice would be Enlightenment, but there are plenty of others, some of them exceedingly lightweight. (And yes, I've installed Linux on weird windows-only hardware. It can be a pain, but it can be done. Don't get me started on Toshiba laptops...) Evan ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
Please justify your assumptions. There is a lot of data on social networks that says that is not how they look. I see no reason to believe the social networks a freenet darknet would be built upon would be different. Evan On 8/26/06, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: > Yea, but you don't know all the nodes in the network, you just know > the ones your connected to. So if one of those links between the > networks goes down, half your downloads stall out and die. And > wouldn't that put a pretty big strain on certain computers? I mean, if > you get this global network of small networks...90% of the data you > request will probably be on another 'network'. The number of > connections between these networks is going to be a lot smaller than > connections within the network. Therefore the computers that connect > between them are gonna have a much greater strain on them than the > ones that are only linked to one 'network'. And if these individual > networks fully connect and integrate...you have an opennet. Except you > have to physically get your node connections from someone else. So you > have an opennet with much fewer connections, which doesn't seem like a > good thing. > > > On 8/26/06, Evan Daniel wrote: > > On 8/26/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: > > > >>Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens > > > >>to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main > > > >>network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is > > > >>setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to > > > >>everyone else. > > > > > > > >That is not true. Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global network, > > > >not > > > >multiple independent networks consisting of small groups. > > > > > > > >Ian. > > > > > > Ian, > > > > > > How can freenet grow to be a global network unless someone in one group > > > trades connection information with someone in another group? > > > > > > Hypothetical - A group of people in England, another in France, another in > > > Russia, and another in China have grown individual trusted 0.7 freenets. > > > No > > > one in any of these groups knows someone in the other freenet group, and > > > they don't want to just advertise in IRC chat to find someone to connect > > > to > > > because they don't know and trust this as a way to add people to their > > > freenet. How will these freenet groups become a part of a global network? > > > > They won't. But your assumptions are off -- there's lots of good > > reasons to assume that once a small local network passes a handful of > > connected users it will gain a connection to a different network. And > > then you have a global network. This is what is meant when people say > > 0.7 is designed to form a global network -- there is no magic, except > > for the underlying properties of the social connections the network is > > built upon. > > > > Evan > > ___ > > Support mailing list > > Support at freenetproject.org > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > > Unsubscribe at > > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > -- > > http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesid=0t=57;> border="0" alt="Get Firefox!" title="Get Firefox!" > src="http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> > >
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
Please justify your assumptions. There is a lot of data on social networks that says that is not how they look. I see no reason to believe the social networks a freenet darknet would be built upon would be different. Evan On 8/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, but you don't know all the nodes in the network, you just know the ones your connected to. So if one of those links between the networks goes down, half your downloads stall out and die. And wouldn't that put a pretty big strain on certain computers? I mean, if you get this global network of small networks...90% of the data you request will probably be on another 'network'. The number of connections between these networks is going to be a lot smaller than connections within the network. Therefore the computers that connect between them are gonna have a much greater strain on them than the ones that are only linked to one 'network'. And if these individual networks fully connect and integrate...you have an opennet. Except you have to physically get your node connections from someone else. So you have an opennet with much fewer connections, which doesn't seem like a good thing. On 8/26/06, Evan Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to everyone else. That is not true. Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global network, not multiple independent networks consisting of small groups. Ian. Ian, How can freenet grow to be a global network unless someone in one group trades connection information with someone in another group? Hypothetical - A group of people in England, another in France, another in Russia, and another in China have grown individual trusted 0.7 freenets. No one in any of these groups knows someone in the other freenet group, and they don't want to just advertise in IRC chat to find someone to connect to because they don't know and trust this as a way to add people to their freenet. How will these freenet groups become a part of a global network? They won't. But your assumptions are off -- there's lots of good reasons to assume that once a small local network passes a handful of connected users it will gain a connection to a different network. And then you have a global network. This is what is meant when people say 0.7 is designed to form a global network -- there is no magic, except for the underlying properties of the social connections the network is built upon. Evan ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- HTML a href=http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesamp;id=0amp;t=57;img border=0 alt=Get Firefox! title=Get Firefox! src=http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif//a ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
On 8/26/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: > >>Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens > >>to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main > >>network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is > >>setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to > >>everyone else. > > > >That is not true. Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global network, not > >multiple independent networks consisting of small groups. > > > >Ian. > > Ian, > > How can freenet grow to be a global network unless someone in one group > trades connection information with someone in another group? > > Hypothetical - A group of people in England, another in France, another in > Russia, and another in China have grown individual trusted 0.7 freenets. No > one in any of these groups knows someone in the other freenet group, and > they don't want to just advertise in IRC chat to find someone to connect to > because they don't know and trust this as a way to add people to their > freenet. How will these freenet groups become a part of a global network? They won't. But your assumptions are off -- there's lots of good reasons to assume that once a small local network passes a handful of connected users it will gain a connection to a different network. And then you have a global network. This is what is meant when people say 0.7 is designed to form a global network -- there is no magic, except for the underlying properties of the social connections the network is built upon. Evan
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
On 8/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to everyone else. That is not true. Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global network, not multiple independent networks consisting of small groups. Ian. Ian, How can freenet grow to be a global network unless someone in one group trades connection information with someone in another group? Hypothetical - A group of people in England, another in France, another in Russia, and another in China have grown individual trusted 0.7 freenets. No one in any of these groups knows someone in the other freenet group, and they don't want to just advertise in IRC chat to find someone to connect to because they don't know and trust this as a way to add people to their freenet. How will these freenet groups become a part of a global network? They won't. But your assumptions are off -- there's lots of good reasons to assume that once a small local network passes a handful of connected users it will gain a connection to a different network. And then you have a global network. This is what is meant when people say 0.7 is designed to form a global network -- there is no magic, except for the underlying properties of the social connections the network is built upon. Evan ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
On 8/25/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: > > >It should not be possible to trace them easily. Of course, if his PC gets > >captured, that's possible. > > If the person was busted their computer would be captured. > > I guess the only safe way is to run freenet from inside an encrypted > (truecrypt or the like) partition or container and just hope freenet doesn't > write information outside that container, no matter what the OS. I'm confused... is this supposed to be an argument in favor of 0.5??? Evan
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
On 8/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It should not be possible to trace them easily. Of course, if his PC gets captured, that's possible. If the person was busted their computer would be captured. I guess the only safe way is to run freenet from inside an encrypted (truecrypt or the like) partition or container and just hope freenet doesn't write information outside that container, no matter what the OS. I'm confused... is this supposed to be an argument in favor of 0.5??? Evan ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Migration path, please! (Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7
On 8/24/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: > Evan, > > Would you define this statement? "they're (developers) working against a > very real > clock." Happily. At some point, running Freenet will (likely) become illegal, assuming current trends continue. This includes in the West. It may already be in France. It is safe to assume that developing Freenet will have the same legal status, whatever that may be. When that happens, the darknet needs to be sufficiently functional for development to move off the public net and onto the darknet. If the darknet can't support a collaborative development effort by then, we have a real problem. It may or may not be enough to kill Freenet entirely, but it would be a big enough setback to make data resets and incompatible versions look rosy by comparison. Evan
Migration path, please! (Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7
On 24 Aug 2006 10:46:58 -0400, Rowland wrote: > A me-too and a summary of the discussion thus far as I see it: > > 1. Breaking backward compatibility is a bad thing. > 2. Saying you won't ever do it again is small comfort. > 3. Providing a migration path would help a lot. > 4. I don't care about the darknet. I don't object to its existence but I have > no interest in it. > 5. I want the opennet! > 6. Backward compatibility between 0.5 and 0.7 looks like a foregone > conclusion at this point. > 7. What we need instead is a migration path from Freenet 0.5 to the 0.7 > opennet. > 8. And we need it badly. This could be a show stopper. > 9. This should be a high priority item. > > Now... what's the migration path gonna be? First of all, it should be noted that there are significant technical reasons that migrating content is difficult. Key size changed from a variable size from (IIRC) 1kB to 1MB to the current version of 32kB for CHKs and 1kB for other keys. Since most content needs bigger keys than that, splitfiles are transparently supported. The result is that the locations of all the files changed. Any data migration plan would have to deal with this, and doing so is a non-trivial project. Specifically, it would require more work on the part of the developers (who are seriously overworked as it is) than it would require of the users to reinsert the content on the new network and modify things as needed. 1 -- yup, I agree. But you were warned long ago it might happen. It did. There were good reasons, and it wasn't done lightly. 2 -- actually, I don't think anyone has said it won't happen again. Just that they will work very very hard to have it not happen before 1.0 gets released, which is still at least a couple years away. 3 -- yes, it would. Please feel free to contribute one. Personally, as a donor to the freenet project, I would prefer my money go toward doing cutting edge research into anonymity, and making the 0.7 version work. 4 -- that's either naive or short-sighted. No matter where you are, it looks likely that opennet won't be a viable option forever. We can't just wait until that happens to produce an answer. Also, darknet has *inherent* security advantages that have been discussed numerous times. 5 -- Yep. So do most of us. Myself included. Getting enough refs is pain when you don't know many people running Freenet (I know exactly 1). Opennet is coming; be patient. There are a lot of reasons not to deploy opennet yet. Most of them boil down to a) darknet is easer to make work well and b) it doesn't yet. Combined with c) most things that improve the darknet performance will help the opennet, it seems reasonable to try to fix the darknet first. 6 -- I think (and hope) it is. 7 -- We have one. Install 0.7, and insert your content into it. The obvious improvement over this would be an easy way for most applications to cross-post content. In fact, I'll bet all most people really need is for Frost to do that, and they can handle freesites etc manually. So please talk to the Frost devs about that, it would be *way* easier than trying to solve the problem at the node level. 8 -- Doesn't appear to be yet. It looks like the darknet is alive and growing, though small. 9 -- I disagree. If you want a file sharing program, go find one. If you want a chat program, go find one. If you want an answer for communicating in an actively hostile environment with legal backing to its hostility, you need Freenet. Except that you don't need 0.5, because that doesn't solve the problem. And you don't even really need 0.7, because it doesn't yet either. What you need is for smart, motivated people to be working hard at finding a solution for you, because AFAICT it doesn't exist yet. And I think that's exactly what the devs are doing. Working on back compatibility would be a huge drain on those resources, and they're working against a very real clock. Evan
Re: Migration path, please! (Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7
On 24 Aug 2006 10:46:58 -0400, Rowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A me-too and a summary of the discussion thus far as I see it: 1. Breaking backward compatibility is a bad thing. 2. Saying you won't ever do it again is small comfort. 3. Providing a migration path would help a lot. 4. I don't care about the darknet. I don't object to its existence but I have no interest in it. 5. I want the opennet! 6. Backward compatibility between 0.5 and 0.7 looks like a foregone conclusion at this point. 7. What we need instead is a migration path from Freenet 0.5 to the 0.7 opennet. 8. And we need it badly. This could be a show stopper. 9. This should be a high priority item. Now... what's the migration path gonna be? First of all, it should be noted that there are significant technical reasons that migrating content is difficult. Key size changed from a variable size from (IIRC) 1kB to 1MB to the current version of 32kB for CHKs and 1kB for other keys. Since most content needs bigger keys than that, splitfiles are transparently supported. The result is that the locations of all the files changed. Any data migration plan would have to deal with this, and doing so is a non-trivial project. Specifically, it would require more work on the part of the developers (who are seriously overworked as it is) than it would require of the users to reinsert the content on the new network and modify things as needed. 1 -- yup, I agree. But you were warned long ago it might happen. It did. There were good reasons, and it wasn't done lightly. 2 -- actually, I don't think anyone has said it won't happen again. Just that they will work very very hard to have it not happen before 1.0 gets released, which is still at least a couple years away. 3 -- yes, it would. Please feel free to contribute one. Personally, as a donor to the freenet project, I would prefer my money go toward doing cutting edge research into anonymity, and making the 0.7 version work. 4 -- that's either naive or short-sighted. No matter where you are, it looks likely that opennet won't be a viable option forever. We can't just wait until that happens to produce an answer. Also, darknet has *inherent* security advantages that have been discussed numerous times. 5 -- Yep. So do most of us. Myself included. Getting enough refs is pain when you don't know many people running Freenet (I know exactly 1). Opennet is coming; be patient. There are a lot of reasons not to deploy opennet yet. Most of them boil down to a) darknet is easer to make work well and b) it doesn't yet. Combined with c) most things that improve the darknet performance will help the opennet, it seems reasonable to try to fix the darknet first. 6 -- I think (and hope) it is. 7 -- We have one. Install 0.7, and insert your content into it. The obvious improvement over this would be an easy way for most applications to cross-post content. In fact, I'll bet all most people really need is for Frost to do that, and they can handle freesites etc manually. So please talk to the Frost devs about that, it would be *way* easier than trying to solve the problem at the node level. 8 -- Doesn't appear to be yet. It looks like the darknet is alive and growing, though small. 9 -- I disagree. If you want a file sharing program, go find one. If you want a chat program, go find one. If you want an answer for communicating in an actively hostile environment with legal backing to its hostility, you need Freenet. Except that you don't need 0.5, because that doesn't solve the problem. And you don't even really need 0.7, because it doesn't yet either. What you need is for smart, motivated people to be working hard at finding a solution for you, because AFAICT it doesn't exist yet. And I think that's exactly what the devs are doing. Working on back compatibility would be a huge drain on those resources, and they're working against a very real clock. Evan ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migration path, please! (Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7
On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Evan, Would you define this statement? they're (developers) working against a very real clock. Happily. At some point, running Freenet will (likely) become illegal, assuming current trends continue. This includes in the West. It may already be in France. It is safe to assume that developing Freenet will have the same legal status, whatever that may be. When that happens, the darknet needs to be sufficiently functional for development to move off the public net and onto the darknet. If the darknet can't support a collaborative development effort by then, we have a real problem. It may or may not be enough to kill Freenet entirely, but it would be a big enough setback to make data resets and incompatible versions look rosy by comparison. Evan ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 build 894
As of this morning, my node (build 891) had been trying to fetch build 892 for some time (over a day) without success. BTW, is there a reason new node rev fetches aren't in the queue? Also, has the auto-updater revocation system ever been tested? Evan Daniel On 7/25/06, Matthew Toseland wrote: > Freenet 0.7 build 894 is now available. This build, and the builds > immediately before it, should fix insert resuming: Persistent inserts > should now resume from where they left off when the node is restarted. > Other recent changes include a minor fix to backoff, which may improve > matters. > > Please upgrade, test, and report any bugs that you find. You should be > able to fetch it from the automatic update system within an hour or so. > If this is not possible, please tell me; there are other ways to update > but we prefer that people use the auto-updater. > -- > Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org > Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ > ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFExi4jOHFIJVywduQRAtWlAJ9srM4R2Qt757bWfC9dV3asd0szigCfeVJa > h8qQwoe6GFPDZxwq/GQ51rw= > =UfAA > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > >
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 build 894
As of this morning, my node (build 891) had been trying to fetch build 892 for some time (over a day) without success. BTW, is there a reason new node rev fetches aren't in the queue? Also, has the auto-updater revocation system ever been tested? Evan Daniel On 7/25/06, Matthew Toseland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freenet 0.7 build 894 is now available. This build, and the builds immediately before it, should fix insert resuming: Persistent inserts should now resume from where they left off when the node is restarted. Other recent changes include a minor fix to backoff, which may improve matters. Please upgrade, test, and report any bugs that you find. You should be able to fetch it from the automatic update system within an hour or so. If this is not possible, please tell me; there are other ways to update but we prefer that people use the auto-updater. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFExi4jOHFIJVywduQRAtWlAJ9srM4R2Qt757bWfC9dV3asd0szigCfeVJa h8qQwoe6GFPDZxwq/GQ51rw= =UfAA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] (no subject)
Yes. On 7/8/06, jiao lei wrote: > > > Can I upload and download files from freenet? > > J > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or > mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > >
Re: [freenet-support] (no subject)
Yes. On 7/8/06, jiao lei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I upload and download files from freenet? J ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Freenet .5 messes up my internet connection
On 4/29/06, vinyl1 wrote: > Joseph Terranova said: > > "Linksys routers have a nasty flaw: they keep track of all connections for > days. So if you're using something that has a lot of connections, such as p2p > or freenet, it bonks fairly quickly. You might want to try looking for an > alternative open-source firmware for it that fixes the problem. > > Well, that certainly doesn't sound good. But while I'm a fan of open-source, > I think mixing it with old hardware might lead to even more difficulties. > > I'd rather look into D-Link, Netgear and Belkin. What is everyone using? > What model works well with Freenet in a home environment? I'm using a Linksys box just fine with Freenet 0.7; 0.7 has far fewer connections and no churn. I had it working with 0.5 ages ago, I think I just turned down max connections and bandwidth available in the freenet config. It would reset occasionally, but as long as everything used static ip, not dhcp, that wasn't a huge issue most of the time. HTH Evan
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet .5 messes up my internet connection
On 4/29/06, vinyl1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joseph Terranova said: Linksys routers have a nasty flaw: they keep track of all connections for days. So if you're using something that has a lot of connections, such as p2p or freenet, it bonks fairly quickly. You might want to try looking for an alternative open-source firmware for it that fixes the problem. Well, that certainly doesn't sound good. But while I'm a fan of open-source, I think mixing it with old hardware might lead to even more difficulties. I'd rather look into D-Link, Netgear and Belkin. What is everyone using? What model works well with Freenet in a home environment? I'm using a Linksys box just fine with Freenet 0.7; 0.7 has far fewer connections and no churn. I had it working with 0.5 ages ago, I think I just turned down max connections and bandwidth available in the freenet config. It would reset occasionally, but as long as everything used static ip, not dhcp, that wasn't a huge issue most of the time. HTH Evan ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Installation problem: HTTP:/1.1 307
On 4/14/06, Gubben Noa wrote: > On Windows XP SP2, when I try try to install Freenet, I get the error > "Download of seednodes.zip failed: 'HTTP/1.1 307'." The same error is > given for all files the installer tries to download. > > HTTP status code 307 is Temporary Redirect. > > How should I proceed to successfully install Freenet? I know it might not be the answer you were looking for, but have you considered trying 0.7 instead of 0.5? Early results suggest it works better... HTH Evan Daniel
Re: [freenet-support] Installation problem: HTTP:/1.1 307
On 4/14/06, Gubben Noa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Windows XP SP2, when I try try to install Freenet, I get the error Download of seednodes.zip failed: 'HTTP/1.1 307'. The same error is given for all files the installer tries to download. HTTP status code 307 is Temporary Redirect. How should I proceed to successfully install Freenet? I know it might not be the answer you were looking for, but have you considered trying 0.7 instead of 0.5? Early results suggest it works better... HTH Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Linux Freenet 0.7 and X?
On 4/12/06, GeckoX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it's important, here's what java -version says: java version 1.5.0_01 Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_01-b08) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_01-b08, mixed mode, sharing) BTW, I believe there are security issues with Java versions before 1.5.0_04. (Applet security vulnerabilities though, according to freenetproject.org, so this shouldn't matter much here iirc.) Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
