date:20091116


Claude Duvergier wrote:

I think he wants the opposite : SeaMonkey Default Theme

SeaMonkey 2.0 is now natively using SeaMonkey Modern

Actually the default theme has been vastly changed to as what can best 
be described as Playschool eye candy, and if you using the Mac version 
the Grippies functions have been removed because supposedly it went 
against some edict from apple as to how the GUI should look like.


Check with https://www.projectit.com/. he has some seriously great 
themes that both have Grippies Function and and looks decent.

https://www.projectit.com/ The developers Name or (Nick Name) is Sailfish.

One great looking Theme is SkyPilot. if you don't mind Quote Colors not 
functioning Correctly. Of Course I haven't tried it with QuoteColors 
since QuoteColors had come out of Beta and now at version .0.3



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Re: Cannot create static build of seamonkey

2009-11-16 Thread Martin

On Nov 16, 6:09 am, Jens Hatlak j...@junetz.de wrote:
 Martin wrote:
  I am new to building mozilla, so any help will be very highly
  appreciated. Here are the steps that I took to perform my build:

  $ cvs -d :pserver:anonym...@cvs-mirror.mozilla.org:/cvsroot co mozilla/
  client.mk

 Erm, where did you get that from? CVS is dead! At least as far as
 Mozilla development is concerned.

 https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Simple_SeaMonkey_build

 HTH

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I actually need to use an older version of Seamonkey (for research
purposes).
I am a PhD student doing research in debugging techniques. I am using
older versions of the
code with known bugs, so that I can study those bugs.
The version that I am currently trying to build with static is from
Oct 1 2008. I did not think that this is that old ...

An alternative for me would be to use a new code version and try to
re-
introduce the bug from Oct 1 2008, however
this is not a good approach, since much may have changed since then.

Thank you for the help.
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Re: I want No Tabs in seamonkey 2.0


Leonidas Jones wrote:

Bush wrote:

Hartmut Figge wrote:

Bush:


I do not want any tabs in seamonkey 2.0 . How do I get rid of the TABS.
I have unchecked every thing that pertains to Tans in Preferences . Do I
have to Go back to ver 1.1.18 to Eliminate Tabs ?


I haven't tested much, but you could try these settings:
http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm091115.png (16 KB)

Hartmut

Same settings I have Here . Just maybe it is a Windows 7 thing? I never
saw any Tabs since Netscape 1.1 until Mozilla 2.0. And Yes I still have
the 1.44 Floppy that contained 1.1 setup.



Netscape had tabbed browsing starting with 6.0, and continued to the end
with 9.

Mozilla Suite had tabbed browsing from the beginning.  1.0 had it, as dd
every other version released,  There was never a Mozilla 2.0, so I am
not sure where you are coming from on that one.

If you are talking about Firefox 2.0. well Firefox has also had tabbed
browsing since its inception as Phoenix.

The simplest answer is just don't use them.  Maybe you could post an
example of when a tab opens when you don't want it to, so we can advise
you as to how to avoid it.

Lee
Now that screen shots is abandoned where do I send screenshot. send me 
your email address and I'll show where its not needed


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Re: I want No Tabs in seamonkey 2.0


Leonidas Jones wrote:

Bush wrote:

Hartmut Figge wrote:

Bush:


I do not want any tabs in seamonkey 2.0 . How do I get rid of the TABS.
I have unchecked every thing that pertains to Tans in Preferences . Do I
have to Go back to ver 1.1.18 to Eliminate Tabs ?


I haven't tested much, but you could try these settings:
http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm091115.png (16 KB)

Hartmut

Same settings I have Here . Just maybe it is a Windows 7 thing? I never
saw any Tabs since Netscape 1.1 until Mozilla 2.0. And Yes I still have
the 1.44 Floppy that contained 1.1 setup.



Netscape had tabbed browsing starting with 6.0, and continued to the end
with 9.

Mozilla Suite had tabbed browsing from the beginning.  1.0 had it, as dd
every other version released,  There was never a Mozilla 2.0, so I am
not sure where you are coming from on that one.

If you are talking about Firefox 2.0. well Firefox has also had tabbed
browsing since its inception as Phoenix.

The simplest answer is just don't use them.  Maybe you could post an
example of when a tab opens when you don't want it to, so we can advise
you as to how to avoid it.

Lee
Once place its not needed is in mail and news. if don't show tabs if one 
window is open is not ticked (in Tabbed browsing) a Tab shows up in mail 
or new I have a screen shot to document it.


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Re: NNTP problems to authenticated hosts continue


Hartmut Figge wrote:

Bill Davidsen:

I think I've said several times, I monitored the network interface with tcpdump, 
and no packets were passed,


OK.


the UA


SM.


rejected the request with the message seen, Check your config


SM refuses to send with this message.

which is correct, at least for other servers and all servers 
on 1.1.18.


You mean, that you cannot see a false configuration. Sorry for
misunderstanding. Seems, that not only my writing skills for English are
bad but also my reading skills.

But there is also the possibility that you have not been clear enough. *eg*

|I have Fails for me about 2:1 over Works for me, but obviously it
|works for someone.

This belongs to eternal? 2 fails for 1 succeed? Or do you mean 2 other
newssevers are working correct and eternal fails?

I mean about twice as many people have said they had the problem as have said it 
worked. Counting posts to SM groups, posts to e-s support, mail to me, firums, 
and chat (IRC) discussion. About 8 to 4 in favor of having a problem, and at 
least one who didn't was accessing without authentication, not the same thing.


This also fails on another, private, server which allows minimal access without 
authentication, full access with.



But clearly you have problems with eternal despite of seemingly correct
settings. Here is what i would do in this case.

First identify the account which belongs to eternal by searching in the
prefs.js for eternal. In my case this would be mail.server.server4. Then
remove the account for eternal with Edit-Mail  Newsgroups Account
Settings-Remove Account.

Close SM and delete all traces of eternal in the profile. Especially the
folder News/news.eternal-september.org and the files
News/news.eternal-september.org.msf and
News/newsrc-news.eternal-september.org. Look into prefs.js, if all
references to server? are gone.

Start SM, open the Password Manager, select 'Manage Stored Passwords'
and delete the entries for eternal if existent.

Then create a new account for eternal.

Before I go through all that, why would that give better results than installing 
Linux on a new machine, installing SeaMonkey, creating a new normal user account 
(had to do all that anyway), then creating an e-s account.


As noted in several posts, I looked for a conversion issue from 1.1.18, then 
tried a new account creation, then new account in new profile, then news account 
in whole new user account, finally tried on a clean install on new hardware, 
which I was doing anyway.


Unless there's some reason to think that creating, deleting, and re-creating 
will be different, I'll pass. I know there's no old stuff in tests starting with 
new hardware and build up all new software installs.


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Re: Bug verification - SM 2.0 mail composer quotation text space compression


User wrote:
Can someone confirm / verify this bug in SM 2.0's mail composer, whereby 
on any given text line that has a string of CONTIGUOUS MULTIPLE SPACE 
CHARACTERSS which will be incorrectly REDUCED / COMPRESSED to a SINGLE 
space character in the QUOTED text on a reply to such a message? 
Bugzilla fluent members who can verify and report this SM 2.0 bug would 
be appreciated. Thanks.


In what mode? News? Mail? HTML or plain text, fixed width font?

I don't see this looking quickly, but details are needed, since all of those 
things might change the result.


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Re: SeaMonkey 1.8 look on SM 2.0

2009-11-16 Thread S. Beaulieu


Phillip Jones wrote:


Check with https://www.projectit.com/. he has some seriously great
themes that both have Grippies Function and and looks decent.



Until (and if ever) cOLD Fusion and, especially, Simple Green are 
compatible, I'll stick with Modern. I just don't like the look and feel 
of the other ones (which I have tried). What's with the dark or flashy 
interfaces?


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Re: NNTP problems to authenticated hosts continue

Bill Davidsen:

Before I go through all that, why would that give better results than 
installing 
Linux on a new machine, installing SeaMonkey, creating a new normal user 
account 
(had to do all that anyway), then creating an e-s account.

That will even be better.

Hartmut
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Re: Bug verification - SM 2.0 mail composer quotation text space compression

2009-11-16 Thread User


Bill Davidsen wrote:

User wrote:

Can someone confirm / verify this bug in SM 2.0's mail composer,
whereby on any given text line that has a string of CONTIGUOUS
MULTIPLE SPACE CHARACTERSS which will be incorrectly REDUCED /
COMPRESSED to a SINGLE space character in the QUOTED text on a reply
to such a message? Bugzilla fluent members who can verify and report
this SM 2.0 bug would be appreciated. Thanks.


In what mode? News? Mail? HTML or plain text, fixed width font?

I don't see this looking quickly, but details are needed, since all of
those things might change the result.



The bug occurs while replying to an e-mail in plain text mode. Have seen it many 
times on a line where there is a string of multiple spaces which then gets 
converted to just ONE space in the quoted text.

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Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?


David E. Ross wrote:

On 11/15/2009 8:33 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 11/15/2009 7:11 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Benoit Renard wrote:

Rufus wrote:

/snip/


   From Windows XP, the -profileManager parameter still works with
SeaMonkey 2.0.  Note that the p is lower-case and the M is upper-case.



This is on Mac OSX 10.6.

Lee


Command Line Options at
https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Command_Line_Options  indicates the
same command-line option works for Mac OSX as for PC WindowsXP.



My whole point here is that it doesn't.  It used to in 1.1.18, but not 
in 2.0.


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Re: I want No Tabs in seamonkey 2.0


Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Bush wrote:

Hartmut Figge wrote:

Bush:


I do not want any tabs in seamonkey 2.0 . How do I get rid of the
TABS.
I have unchecked every thing that pertains to Tans in Preferences .
Do I
have to Go back to ver 1.1.18 to Eliminate Tabs ?


I haven't tested much, but you could try these settings:
http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm091115.png (16 KB)

Hartmut

Same settings I have Here . Just maybe it is a Windows 7 thing? I never
saw any Tabs since Netscape 1.1 until Mozilla 2.0. And Yes I still have
the 1.44 Floppy that contained 1.1 setup.



Netscape had tabbed browsing starting with 6.0, and continued to the end
with 9.

Mozilla Suite had tabbed browsing from the beginning. 1.0 had it, as dd
every other version released, There was never a Mozilla 2.0, so I am
not sure where you are coming from on that one.

If you are talking about Firefox 2.0. well Firefox has also had tabbed
browsing since its inception as Phoenix.

The simplest answer is just don't use them. Maybe you could post an
example of when a tab opens when you don't want it to, so we can advise
you as to how to avoid it.

Lee

Now that screen shots is abandoned where do I send screenshot. send me
your email address and I'll show where its not needed



Phillip, you have a web site.  Why not upload your screenshot to that 
space, and then link to it?


Lee
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Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?


Richard wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:25:30 -0800, Ant wrote:

Hi!

Is SeaMonkey ever going to get new v1.1 version or is v1.1.18 it? 
Just wondering since Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox 
v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on.


When KaiRo gets back from his holiday, we will re-look at the situation.
Basically Mozilla itself had abandoned the Gecko 1.8.1 platform some
time ago but we were still getting some security fixes from Linux
vendors who continued to upstream their fixes for a while. This seems to
have dried up. We are trying to get a reply from the contact
representing the consortium of Linux vendors that have long lived stable
branches to see how much longer they will maintain this Gecko branch or
if it has been abandoned completely. Unfortunately I fear that the
latter is the case.

Phil



So were stuck with this ver 2, reminds me of a problem we had with a 
Netscape version way back, also a ver 2 I think or was it ver 3? 
Netscape lost a great deal of support and ground to ie after that 
particular disastrous version.


Does anyone know of another Browser suite that allows multiple profiles?


Are you implying that SM2 doesn't? Or just looking for an alternative?

I'm stuck at 1.1.18 unless a form manager is restored, clicking on every field 
of a complex form just isn't a good use of my time.


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Re: SOLVED: Composing in HTML For a Single Message -- 2.0


Jens Hatlak wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

The procedure for composing in HTML for a single message (as opposed to
all messages) appears to have changed from 1.1.x. However, the 2.0 Help
file still refers to 1.1.x procedures as follows:

If while composing a message you realize that one or more recipients
may not be able to receive HTML-formatted mail, you can easily convert
the message to a different format when you click Send:

1. In the Compose window, open the Options menu and choose Format.
2. Select the format you want to use for sending the message from the
submenu:

===snipped

That procedure no longer applies to 2.0 as there is no Format in the
Options menu in 2.0.


Wrong. The part you quoted from Help refers to the case where you are 
composing an HTML mail. In that case there *is* a Format option under 
Options and it allows you to change the format of the outgoing mail. It 
has been like that in SM 1.0, SM 1.1 and it is still like that in SM 2.0.


Yes, that misfeature is still with us. People who start in HTML are allowed to 
change, people who get started in text get to start all over, the option to 
correct the format is not offered in text mode, and sending in text mode to 
someone marked as wants HTML doesn't get a useful box to pop up and let you 
decide.



To compose in HTML for a single message, click on
the down arrow to the right of the Compose icon. There you will be given
the option of composing the current message in plain text or HTML


Correct, this option is new. However, it does not replace the other 
option, it is just a new alternative.


Greetings,

Jens




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Classic look for Seamonkey 2.0?

2009-11-16 Thread Acharya Swami Rudra Kali Das


Hi,
Thankyou for your replies.
Yes , I did already have the default theme , which is the closest to 
1.18 and Netscape 7.2., but still a little different.
Is there any chance a Classic Theme could be added which would give 
the option to keep the same exact look.

Thankyou,
Rudra

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Re: Bug verification - SM 2.0 mail composer quotation text space compression

User:

Can someone confirm / verify this bug in SM 2.0's mail composer, whereby on 
any 
given text line that has a string of CONTIGUOUS MULTIPLE SPACE CHARACTERSS 
which 
will be incorrectly REDUCED / COMPRESSED to a SINGLE space character in the 
QUOTED text on a reply to such a message? Bugzilla fluent members who can 
verify 
and report this SM 2.0 bug would be appreciated. Thanks.

I have just send a posting to de.test with this body:
Testcase mit mehreren Spaces.

Replying to this posting i selected this line and used Rewrap. The
multiple spaces were concentrated to one single space. SM 2.1, current
trunk.

I know meanwhile, that MIDs are not common in this NG, but nevertheless,
those who wish can find it. *fg*
4b018aaa.6090...@hfigge.myfqdn.de

Hartmut
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Re: Multiple user/passwords


eintrag wrote:

On 12 Nov., 21:38, BeeNeR w3...@verizon.net wrote:

On or about 11/12/2009 10:39 AM, Phillip Jones typed the following:




BeeNeR wrote:

On or about 11/11/2009 9:57 PM, Hartmut Figge typed the following:

BeeNeR:

Neither yours or George Carden's solution works for me.  The page I use
multiple log-ins on ishttp://www.mail.com/ I have a couple of e-mail
addresses that I use and I no longer get the drop down selection
choice.

Maybe a case of autocomplete=off?
https://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/forms.html#remember_password
Hartmut

I don't think so since it does complete if I only enter the first
letter.  ie if I have two users starting with 'e' and I enter 'e' a drop
down box appears with both users that start with 'e'.
In 1.x versions I didn't have to enter anything.  If I clicked on the
user entry box I received a dropdown box with ALL users no matter what
the spelling and I could click on the user I wanted.

Try this work around on a Duplicate of the SM2 Application:
http://cybernetnews.com/firefox-remember-passwords/

Change made (it's at line 814 in my copy).  File saved.  System
rebooted.  Started SM2.0.  No change.  Everthing on mail.com works as
originally stated, not as SM1.x.

Change back to true

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On sites with multiple login you only have to double click in the
field and the drop down with all data stored will be shown.

Testing indicates that neither double click nor click and down arrow work on 
some sites, you have to remember the value and type a few letters before you get 
anything. Kind of worthless when password manager was going to remember what 
login you made up for that site. People who use the same login for everything 
don't have to woory, of course.


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Re: Multiple user/passwords

Bill Davidsen:

Testing indicates that neither double click nor click and down arrow work on 
some sites, you have to remember the value and type a few letters before you 
get 
anything.

Today i noticed a change when trying to login at bugzilla. Until now it
sufficed to press 'cursor down', now i have to type the first letter
before i can access the menu with the user names.

Something has changed. Either on bugzilla or on trunk.

Hartmut
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Re: Cannot create static build of seamonkey

2009-11-16 Thread Jens Hatlak


Martin wrote:

I actually need to use an older version of Seamonkey (for research
purposes).
I am a PhD student doing research in debugging techniques. I am using
older versions of the
code with known bugs, so that I can study those bugs.
The version that I am currently trying to build with static is from
Oct 1 2008.


The initial import into the Mercurial repository (comm-central) was on 
July 22nd 2008. Even though I don't know if it was really used starting 
with that day I'm pretty confident that it was used in October.


Anyway I guess that doesn't change the fact that your compile fails. You 
may try to identify the build where static compilation was fixed, 
probably using binary search.


Greetings,

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Re: [HOW-TO] Import Passwords from Firefox/Thunderbird to SM 2.0


Philip Chee wrote:

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40t=1588545

Importing Passwords from Firefox and Thunderbird the easy way.

1. In Firefox/Thunderbird, install Password Exporter 1.2 from:
http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#passwordexporter
2. Export your passwords to a XML file.

3. In SeaMonkey 2.0, install Password Exporter 1.2.
4. Import your passwords from the XML file generated in Step 2.

http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#passwordexporter
--==--
Password Exporter is an extension for Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird
that allows you to export and import your saved passwords and disabled
login hosts from Password Manager. The logins will be exported to an XML
(Extensible Markup Language) or CSV (Comma Separated Values) file and
can then be imported into another application or computer that has
Password Exporter installed.

Where to find it:
Firefox Options/Preferences - Security pane - Import/Export Passwords
button.
OR
SeaMonkey - Edit - Preferences - Privacy amp; Security pane -
Passwords - Import/Export Passwords button.
OR
Add-ons Manager - Preferences/Options for the extension.
--==--

And may I add that having the do something trigger hidden under preferences is 
about as counter-intuitive as anything I've ever seen. I found the one in 
Add-ons Manager by trying to find somewhere in preferences to set the location 
of the do something button. This would be vastly easier to find if there was 
an import/export menu item in password manager, like bookmarks. Or even on the 
pane for the feature in Add-ons manager.


It's about as intuitive as putting the apply brakes control in a car as a 
subfunction of dashboard lighting brightness. Do something useful is not a 
preference.


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Re: Multiple user/passwords

Hartmut Figge:

Something has changed. Either on bugzilla or on trunk.

On bugzilla. Verified with older builds. Now even two clicks - not a
doubleclick - into the box doesn't help.

Hartmut
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Re: [ProfD] and its use in configuration/prefs.js (SM 2.0)

2009-11-16 Thread Bob Fleischer


Bob Fleischer wrote:

I notice that some paths in my about:config page start with [ProfD] -- I
assume this means that the path is relative to the profile directory.

However, not all paths are written thus -- many include the complete
path including (this is Windows) the drive letter.

Can all paths in the configuration or prefs.js be written relative to
the profile directory with [ProfD]? In particular, I'd like to get away
from the use of the drive letter so I can move a profile to a different
drive (or change the drive letter of the drive).

Are there any other symbolic file system locations other than [ProfD]? I
assume that Windows-defined symbolic locations, such as %APPDATA%,
aren't usable in paths in the profile.

Bob

Is there a better forum to ask an arcane technical question such as this?

Bob
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SM 2.0: Imported my old settings including previous version?

I upgraded SM 2.0 on Friday before I left work.  It asked me if I wanted 
to import all my previous settings, so I said sure - import everything. 
It then booted up and the first thing I notice is the theme is ugly and 
the home button is missing.  So I start trying to fix the home button (it 
was *not* on my personal toolbar contrary to advice I read elsewhere) gave 
up and went home.  Monday SM is still on my screen right where I left it.


I start playing with it some more and am struck by how it looks like 
nothing has changed, including my theme (Orbit 3+1, a custom theme).  That 
wasn't there on Friday... So I look at the version # and I'm running 
Seamonkey 1.1.11.


The timestamps on a few directories indicate that there was an upgrade 
(such as the existence of a new Crash Reports and I now have an extra 
profiles directory directory), but all the core files and DLL's are dated 
July.  The desktop and Quick Launch shortcuts are identical except for the 
timestamps.  I can find no real trace of any new .EXE or DLL's that SM 2.0 
created.


So what did it do, import all my old settings including my old version 
Seamonkey?

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Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?

2009-11-16 Thread D. K. Kraft


With patience akin to a cat's, Bill Davidsen, on 11/16/2009 9:22 AM typed:

Richard wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:25:30 -0800, Ant wrote:

Hi!

Is SeaMonkey ever going to get new v1.1 version or is v1.1.18 it?
Just wondering since Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox
v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on.


When KaiRo gets back from his holiday, we will re-look at the situation.
Basically Mozilla itself had abandoned the Gecko 1.8.1 platform some
time ago but we were still getting some security fixes from Linux
vendors who continued to upstream their fixes for a while. This seems to
have dried up. We are trying to get a reply from the contact
representing the consortium of Linux vendors that have long lived stable
branches to see how much longer they will maintain this Gecko branch or
if it has been abandoned completely. Unfortunately I fear that the
latter is the case.

Phil



So were stuck with this ver 2, reminds me of a problem we had with a
Netscape version way back, also a ver 2 I think or was it ver 3?
Netscape lost a great deal of support and ground to ie after that
particular disastrous version.

Does anyone know of another Browser suite that allows multiple profiles?


Are you implying that SM2 doesn't? Or just looking for an alternative?

I'm stuck at 1.1.18 unless a form manager is restored, clicking on every
field of a complex form just isn't a good use of my time.


Form History Control is said to do what you need and more.  I don't use it
myself, but those who do rate it highly and recommend it:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/12021

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Re: SM 2.0: Imported my old settings including previous version?

2009-11-16 Thread Mark Hansen

On 11/16/2009 11:59 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
 I upgraded SM 2.0 on Friday before I left work.  It asked me if I wanted 
 to import all my previous settings, so I said sure - import everything. 
 It then booted up and the first thing I notice is the theme is ugly and 
 the home button is missing.  So I start trying to fix the home button (it 
 was *not* on my personal toolbar contrary to advice I read elsewhere) gave 
 up and went home.  Monday SM is still on my screen right where I left it.
 
 I start playing with it some more and am struck by how it looks like 
 nothing has changed, including my theme (Orbit 3+1, a custom theme).  That 
 wasn't there on Friday... So I look at the version # and I'm running 
 Seamonkey 1.1.11.
 
 The timestamps on a few directories indicate that there was an upgrade 
 (such as the existence of a new Crash Reports and I now have an extra 
 profiles directory directory), but all the core files and DLL's are dated 
 July.  The desktop and Quick Launch shortcuts are identical except for the 
 timestamps.  I can find no real trace of any new .EXE or DLL's that SM 2.0 
 created.
 
 So what did it do, import all my old settings including my old version 
 Seamonkey?

You don't mention what operating system you're using, so I'm assuming
Windows.

It is possible that you had SeaMonkey 1.1.X running with Quick Launch
enabled? If so then SeaMonkey 1.1.X may be running all the time. With
that, when you attempt to launch SeaMonkey 2.0, it will see that there
is a SeaMonkey already running and just open a new window from that.

Try shutting down SeaMonkey, including the quick launch, then verify
there is no seamonkey mentioned in the task manager under the Processes
tab (make sure you 'show processes from all users', if available).

Once they're all gone, try launching SeaMonkey 2.0 and see what happens.

If this is the issue, note that without some extra effort, you can't
run both versions at the same time. If you want to migrate to 2.0,
you'll want to disable the Quick Launch feature in the 1.1 version, so
it won't keep starting SeaMonkey 1.1 when you boot/log-in to your machine.

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Re: SM 2.0: Imported my old settings including previous version?


Mark Hansen wrote:


You don't mention what operating system you're using, so I'm assuming
Windows.


Oops.  I'm usually very good about that.  WinXPSP3.  The mention of .EXE 
and DLL at least tells us it was Windows 95 or better ;-)



It is possible that you had SeaMonkey 1.1.X running with Quick Launch
enabled? 


Nope.  I've had that disabled for ... ever.  I was never convinced it did 
more good than harm.


-sw
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Re: NNTP problems to authenticated hosts continue

2009-11-16 Thread NoOp

On 11/16/2009 09:06 AM, Hartmut Figge wrote:
 Bill Davidsen:
 
Before I go through all that, why would that give better results than 
installing 
Linux on a new machine, installing SeaMonkey, creating a new normal user 
account 
(had to do all that anyway), then creating an e-s account.
 
 That will even be better.
 
 Hartmut

I'm pretty sure he's said that is what he did already in another
post/thread.

Bill, on your server settings
(http://www.tmr.com/~davidsen/Private/E-S_post_bug_SM2/SS-es-2.jpg) can
you try changing Connection security to SSL/TLS? You may have already,
but I can't recall.


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Re: I want No Tabs in seamonkey 2.0

2009-11-16 Thread Bush


Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Bush wrote:

Hartmut Figge wrote:

Bush:


I do not want any tabs in seamonkey 2.0 . How do I get rid of the
TABS.
I have unchecked every thing that pertains to Tans in Preferences .
Do I
have to Go back to ver 1.1.18 to Eliminate Tabs ?


I haven't tested much, but you could try these settings:
http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm091115.png (16 KB)

Hartmut

Same settings I have Here . Just maybe it is a Windows 7 thing? I never
saw any Tabs since Netscape 1.1 until Mozilla 2.0. And Yes I still have
the 1.44 Floppy that contained 1.1 setup.



Netscape had tabbed browsing starting with 6.0, and continued to the end
with 9.

Mozilla Suite had tabbed browsing from the beginning. 1.0 had it, as dd
every other version released, There was never a Mozilla 2.0, so I am
not sure where you are coming from on that one.

If you are talking about Firefox 2.0. well Firefox has also had tabbed
browsing since its inception as Phoenix.

The simplest answer is just don't use them. Maybe you could post an
example of when a tab opens when you don't want it to, so we can advise
you as to how to avoid it.

Lee

Now that screen shots is abandoned where do I send screenshot. send me
your email address and I'll show where its not needed


Have you tried to get a Free  Photobucket Account?
 I started this post ( subject) And Have come to relize that a select 
Few like TABS and will defend the fact That 2.0 WILL NOT let you disable 
Tabs.. Prior to 2.0 Tabs could be Turned off.  The 2.0 Tab Turn off in 
Preference Just Does Not Work, Is This A BUG to Report ? Is this A Bug 
only with Windows 7 users ?


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Re: Cannot create static build of seamonkey

2009-11-16 Thread Martin

Thanks for the help.
I think that I figured out another way to continue my research
(without creating a static build).

I do not need to waste your time any more.

Thanks again.

Martin
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Re: Classic look for Seamonkey 2.0?

2009-11-16 Thread taz043


Acharya Swami Rudra Kali Das wrote:

Hi,
Thankyou for your replies.
Yes , I did already have the default theme , which is the closest to
1.18 and Netscape 7.2., but still a little different.
Is there any chance a Classic Theme could be added which would give
the option to keep the same exact look.
Thankyou,
Rudra

I also vote for the return of the 1.18 classic theme.  The new classic 
theme in 2.0 reminds me too much of firefox...

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Re: NNTP problems to authenticated hosts continue

2009-11-16 Thread NoOp

On 11/16/2009 01:07 PM, NoOp wrote:
 On 11/16/2009 09:06 AM, Hartmut Figge wrote:
 Bill Davidsen:
 
Before I go through all that, why would that give better results than 
installing 
Linux on a new machine, installing SeaMonkey, creating a new normal user 
account 
(had to do all that anyway), then creating an e-s account.
 
 That will even be better.
 
 Hartmut
 
 I'm pretty sure he's said that is what he did already in another
 post/thread.
 
 Bill, on your server settings
 (http://www.tmr.com/~davidsen/Private/E-S_post_bug_SM2/SS-es-2.jpg) can
 you try changing Connection security to SSL/TLS? You may have already,
 but I can't recall.
 
 

Probably won't work now anyway as the servers seem to be down:
http://www.eternal-september.org/serverstatus.php?language=en
and all of my connections are timing out ATM.


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Re: SM 2.0: Imported my old settings including previous version?


Sqwertz wrote:


I start playing with it some more and am struck by how it looks like
nothing has changed, including my theme (Orbit 3+1, a custom theme).
That wasn't there on Friday... So I look at the version # and I'm
running Seamonkey 1.1.11.


I reinstalled and it and took 3 seconds and did not ask if I wanted to 
transfer any settings.


So I uninstalled 1.1.11 (after another mozbackup) and all my shortcuts 
died.  They were pointing to c:/program files/mozilla.org/seamonkey.  It 
found /program files/seamonkey for me, which I didn't see until now.
So 2.0 was there the whole time, it just didn't update any of my shortcuts 
as I told it to, and I didn't know they were supposed to be pointing at a 
different (new) directory.  Thanks developers groan.


It may have something to do with my shortcuts being in my user-defined 
desktop, whereas SM 2.0 puts them under 'All Users'.


So now back to my original problem...

-sw
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Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?

On 11/16/2009 9:16 AM, Leonidas Jones wrote:
 David E. Ross wrote:
 On 11/15/2009 8:33 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote:
 David E. Ross wrote:
 On 11/15/2009 7:11 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote:
 Leonidas Jones wrote:
 Rufus wrote:
 Benoit Renard wrote:
 Rufus wrote:
 /snip/
 
From Windows XP, the -profileManager parameter still works with
 SeaMonkey 2.0.  Note that the p is lower-case and the M is upper-case.

 This is on Mac OSX 10.6.

 Lee
 Command Line Options at
 https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Command_Line_Options  indicates the
 same command-line option works for Mac OSX as for PC WindowsXP.

 
 My whole point here is that it doesn't.  It used to in 1.1.18, but not 
 in 2.0.
 
 Lee

That should be submitted as a bug report.

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Re: I want No Tabs in seamonkey 2.0


Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Bush wrote:

Hartmut Figge wrote:

Bush:


I do not want any tabs in seamonkey 2.0 . How do I get rid of the
TABS.
I have unchecked every thing that pertains to Tans in Preferences .
Do I
have to Go back to ver 1.1.18 to Eliminate Tabs ?


I haven't tested much, but you could try these settings:
http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm091115.png (16 KB)

Hartmut

Same settings I have Here . Just maybe it is a Windows 7 thing? I never
saw any Tabs since Netscape 1.1 until Mozilla 2.0. And Yes I still have
the 1.44 Floppy that contained 1.1 setup.



Netscape had tabbed browsing starting with 6.0, and continued to the end
with 9.

Mozilla Suite had tabbed browsing from the beginning. 1.0 had it, as dd
every other version released, There was never a Mozilla 2.0, so I am
not sure where you are coming from on that one.

If you are talking about Firefox 2.0. well Firefox has also had tabbed
browsing since its inception as Phoenix.

The simplest answer is just don't use them. Maybe you could post an
example of when a tab opens when you don't want it to, so we can advise
you as to how to avoid it.

Lee

Once place its not needed is in mail and news. if don't show tabs if one
window is open is not ticked (in Tabbed browsing) a Tab shows up in mail
or new I have a screen shot to document it.



The implementation does not seem to be there yet, but when it is working
correctly, I would certainly like the ability to messages in tabs in
Mail/News. For example, viewing a post, then a reply to it in a tab,
particularly when the original is snipped drastically.

Then again, I can't imagine functioning without tabs in the browser
either.  I think the advice is the same in either case, just don't use
them.  My question was, when is a tab opening that you don't want to open?

I can open a message in a new tab by middle clicking it.  I can open in
a new window, (which I never do) by double clicking it, just as 1.1.18
always behaved.

Just because the application has a new feature, which I think many will
value, doesn't mean that you have to use it if it doesn't work for you.

Lee


Different Strokes for Different Folks. I can't imagine using Tabs. The 
concept is as foreign to me as walking around on the moon. And as 
useless as it is to me in the browser, its absolute nonsense in mail and 
news.


I have enough trouble concentrating on one thing at the time, having to 
deal with all the tabs  I just not as hip as you young folks. At 60 
am getting close to being over the hill.


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SM 2.0: No Home Button on Personal Toolbar

The proposed solution to this seems to be that you're supposed to 
customize the tool bar, using the button from your personal toolbar.


Well, I don't have a home button on my personal toolbar.  Probably because 
I turned it off when I installed Home Button on SM 1.1.x.  And when I 
imported my settings from 1.1 the absence of the home button went with it.


I don't know why the concept of having a prominently displayed Home button 
is a foreign concept to the Mozilla folks.  It kind reminds me having to 
re-map the [backspace] key work every time you installed Emacs: Something 
irritating you have to do immediately after every install and before you 
can do anything else.


Do people really not use a Home button?  I'm pretty sure that if you put 
it right up there on the navigation toolbar by default, only an 
insignificant number of users would complain about not being able to 
disable it (the same number of people who would like to disable the Back 
button).


-sw

(still wondering why nothing in Windows has the keyboard equivalent of 
Emacs [Esc-D])

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Re: Strange SM2 behaviour

On 11/2/2009 11:09 AM, Jens Hatlak wrote:
 On 11/2/2009 4:43 PM David E. Ross wrote:
 Wallet is no longer used by Password Manager; instead, Satchel is used.
  Bug #425145 contains a discussion about whether or not to honor a
 site's blocking of Password Manager.  That is, whether to allow users to
 override that blocking.  The discussion in that bug report, however,
 confuses me; I cannot tell if any conclusion was reached.

 Thus, the questions are:

 1.  Do the wallet.crypto and wallet.crypto.autocompleteoverride
 preference variables still allow use of Password Manager in SM 2 for
 sites that block that use?
 
 Please re-read the summary (title) of bug 425145:
 
 Restore 'wallet.crypto.autocompleteoverride'-like feature in SeaMonkey 
 after LoginManager migration
 
 Since the bug is not fixed, doesn't that clearly imply that the pref 
 currently *does not* work in SM 2?
 
 2.  If not, does the capability exist in SM 2?  If so, what preference
 variables should be set?
 
 See above.
 
 BTW:
 
 http://www.smart-roadster-club.de/off-topic/mozilla/extensions/activate-autocomplete/
 
 HTH
 
 Jens
 

The extension Activate Autocomplete 1.0.1 causes some banking sites
(half of those where I have Web accounts) to appear broken.

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Re: I want No Tabs in seamonkey 2.0


Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Bush wrote:

Hartmut Figge wrote:

Bush:


I do not want any tabs in seamonkey 2.0 . How do I get rid of the
TABS.
I have unchecked every thing that pertains to Tans in Preferences .
Do I
have to Go back to ver 1.1.18 to Eliminate Tabs ?


I haven't tested much, but you could try these settings:
http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm091115.png (16 KB)

Hartmut

Same settings I have Here . Just maybe it is a Windows 7 thing? I never
saw any Tabs since Netscape 1.1 until Mozilla 2.0. And Yes I still have
the 1.44 Floppy that contained 1.1 setup.



Netscape had tabbed browsing starting with 6.0, and continued to the end
with 9.

Mozilla Suite had tabbed browsing from the beginning. 1.0 had it, as dd
every other version released, There was never a Mozilla 2.0, so I am
not sure where you are coming from on that one.

If you are talking about Firefox 2.0. well Firefox has also had tabbed
browsing since its inception as Phoenix.

The simplest answer is just don't use them. Maybe you could post an
example of when a tab opens when you don't want it to, so we can advise
you as to how to avoid it.

Lee

Now that screen shots is abandoned where do I send screenshot. send me
your email address and I'll show where its not needed



Phillip, you have a web site.  Why not upload your screenshot to that
space, and then link to it?

Lee


Okay:

http://www.phillipmjones.net/NoTabs.png

BTW: I've converted most of my html pages to XHTML (XML) 1.0.i 
Transitional and as far as I can tell those that have been converted do 
not have any errors. checked through DreamWeaver 8 (yes can't afford the 
price of update to CS 4, for now) and I've used the code error check 
built into iCab I am not say everything is perfect but I am working on it.


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Re: I want No Tabs in seamonkey 2.0


Bush wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Bush wrote:

Hartmut Figge wrote:

Bush:


I do not want any tabs in seamonkey 2.0 . How do I get rid of the
TABS.
I have unchecked every thing that pertains to Tans in Preferences .
Do I
have to Go back to ver 1.1.18 to Eliminate Tabs ?


I haven't tested much, but you could try these settings:
http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm091115.png (16 KB)

Hartmut

Same settings I have Here . Just maybe it is a Windows 7 thing? I never
saw any Tabs since Netscape 1.1 until Mozilla 2.0. And Yes I still have
the 1.44 Floppy that contained 1.1 setup.



Netscape had tabbed browsing starting with 6.0, and continued to the end
with 9.

Mozilla Suite had tabbed browsing from the beginning. 1.0 had it, as dd
every other version released, There was never a Mozilla 2.0, so I am
not sure where you are coming from on that one.

If you are talking about Firefox 2.0. well Firefox has also had tabbed
browsing since its inception as Phoenix.

The simplest answer is just don't use them. Maybe you could post an
example of when a tab opens when you don't want it to, so we can advise
you as to how to avoid it.

Lee

Now that screen shots is abandoned where do I send screenshot. send me
your email address and I'll show where its not needed


Have you tried to get a Free  Photobucket Account?
   I started this post ( subject) And Have come to relize that a select
Few like TABS and will defend the fact That 2.0 WILL NOT let you disable
Tabs.. Prior to 2.0 Tabs could be Turned off.  The 2.0 Tab Turn off in
Preference Just Does Not Work, Is This A BUG to Report ? Is this A Bug
only with Windows 7 users ?

Must be a Windows Bug , Because clicking on hide tab bar if only one 
page open does hide the tab Bar. But then you have to also click Link 
open behavior in new window, and links for other applications in New 
windows. But even then on rare occasions even if you set to windows 
rather than tabs something will open in a Tab. when they do that I 
immediately quit that link.  One place that this happens is when you 
install a new version of SM, FF  it will always open the You have just 
load the latest version ... Page in a new tab. despite having set for 
use existing window.


Its as if they are trying to say ... look what tabs look like you bunch 
of dummies that use windows. Its always been this way since the first 
mozilla program started with tabs.


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Suddenly asked to hand dial.

2009-11-16 Thread Richard Lane


Suddenly I am now being asked to hand dial my isp, why?
Browser Seamonkey 1.1.9, WP SP2.
Dick
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Re: SOLVED: Composing in HTML For a Single Message -- 2.0


Bill Davidsen wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

The procedure for composing in HTML for a single message (as opposed to
all messages) appears to have changed from 1.1.x. However, the 2.0 Help
file still refers to 1.1.x procedures as follows:

If while composing a message you realize that one or more recipients
may not be able to receive HTML-formatted mail, you can easily convert
the message to a different format when you click Send:

1. In the Compose window, open the Options menu and choose Format.
2. Select the format you want to use for sending the message from the
submenu:

===snipped

That procedure no longer applies to 2.0 as there is no Format in the
Options menu in 2.0.


Wrong. The part you quoted from Help refers to the case where you are
composing an HTML mail. In that case there *is* a Format option under
Options and it allows you to change the format of the outgoing mail. It
has been like that in SM 1.0, SM 1.1 and it is still like that in SM 2.0.


Yes, that misfeature is still with us. People who start in HTML are allowed to
change, people who get started in text get to start all over, the option to
correct the format is not offered in text mode, and sending in text mode to
someone marked as wants HTML doesn't get a useful box to pop up and let you
decide.


To compose in HTML for a single message, click on
the down arrow to the right of the Compose icon. There you will be given
the option of composing the current message in plain text or HTML


Correct, this option is new. However, it does not replace the other
option, it is just a new alternative.

Greetings,

Jens






The way its setup now in SM2 if you have set to Plain Text in a 
newsgroup you can only post in Plain Text.


If you set for HTML you can post either in HTML or Plaintext you'd 
switch just by holding Shift key down (Mac) to swap to other format.


In Email you swap one to the other regardless of which format you in.

I suspect because most people here hate worth a passion HTML it was 
built in not to be able to toggle to HTM if set to Plain text.


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Re: SM 2.0: No Home Button on Personal Toolbar

On 11/16/2009 2:27 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
 The proposed solution to this seems to be that you're supposed to 
 customize the tool bar, using the button from your personal toolbar.
 
 Well, I don't have a home button on my personal toolbar.  Probably because 
 I turned it off when I installed Home Button on SM 1.1.x.  And when I 
 imported my settings from 1.1 the absence of the home button went with it.
 
 I don't know why the concept of having a prominently displayed Home button 
 is a foreign concept to the Mozilla folks.  It kind reminds me having to 
 re-map the [backspace] key work every time you installed Emacs: Something 
 irritating you have to do immediately after every install and before you 
 can do anything else.
 
 Do people really not use a Home button?  I'm pretty sure that if you put 
 it right up there on the navigation toolbar by default, only an 
 insignificant number of users would complain about not being able to 
 disable it (the same number of people who would like to disable the Back 
 button).

Just try the following.  No, you don't have to leave it that way.

On the SeaMonkey menu bar, select [View  Show/Hide  Personal Toolbar].
 Then on the Navigation toolbar, right-click on an active button or on
the SeaMonkey throbber icon; and then select Customize from the
pull-down context menu.

Do you see a house icon either on the Personal toolbar or in the
Customize Toolbar window?  Is so, you can drag it onto the Navigation
toolbar and drop it wherever you want it there.  Then select the Done
button on the Customize Toolbar window.  Return to the menu bar and
again select [View  Show/Hide  Personal Toolbar] to hide the Personal
Toolbar.

Note:  You cannot drag and drop a button unless the Customize Toolbar
window is open.

As for me, I also don't use the Personal toolbar.  I do use the PrefBar
extension and have a Home button its toolbar.  However, after
researching your question, I might move the Home button from the
Personal toolbar to the Navigation bar, which has much more room than
the PrefBar toolbar.

-- 
David E. Ross
http://www.rossde.com/

Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to
extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other
Mozilla-related applications.  You can access Mozdev much
more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons.
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Re: I want No Tabs in seamonkey 2.0


Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Bush wrote:

Hartmut Figge wrote:

Bush:


I do not want any tabs in seamonkey 2.0 . How do I get rid of the
TABS.
I have unchecked every thing that pertains to Tans in Preferences .
Do I
have to Go back to ver 1.1.18 to Eliminate Tabs ?


I haven't tested much, but you could try these settings:
http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm091115.png (16 KB)

Hartmut

Same settings I have Here . Just maybe it is a Windows 7 thing? I
never
saw any Tabs since Netscape 1.1 until Mozilla 2.0. And Yes I still
have
the 1.44 Floppy that contained 1.1 setup.



Netscape had tabbed browsing starting with 6.0, and continued to the
end
with 9.

Mozilla Suite had tabbed browsing from the beginning. 1.0 had it, as dd
every other version released, There was never a Mozilla 2.0, so I am
not sure where you are coming from on that one.

If you are talking about Firefox 2.0. well Firefox has also had tabbed
browsing since its inception as Phoenix.

The simplest answer is just don't use them. Maybe you could post an
example of when a tab opens when you don't want it to, so we can advise
you as to how to avoid it.

Lee

Now that screen shots is abandoned where do I send screenshot. send me
your email address and I'll show where its not needed



Phillip, you have a web site. Why not upload your screenshot to that
space, and then link to it?

Lee


Okay:

http://www.phillipmjones.net/NoTabs.png

BTW: I've converted most of my html pages to XHTML (XML) 1.0.i
Transitional and as far as I can tell those that have been converted do
not have any errors. checked through DreamWeaver 8 (yes can't afford the
price of update to CS 4, for now) and I've used the code error check
built into iCab I am not say everything is perfect but I am working on it.



What is this screenshot supposed to show?  I see a Mail/News window with 
no tabs open.  How does it relate to the problem of not wanting tabs in 
Mail/News?


Lee
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Re: I want No Tabs in seamonkey 2.0


Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Bush wrote:

Hartmut Figge wrote:

Bush:


I do not want any tabs in seamonkey 2.0 . How do I get rid of the
TABS.
I have unchecked every thing that pertains to Tans in Preferences .
Do I
have to Go back to ver 1.1.18 to Eliminate Tabs ?


I haven't tested much, but you could try these settings:
http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm091115.png (16 KB)

Hartmut

Same settings I have Here . Just maybe it is a Windows 7 thing? I
never
saw any Tabs since Netscape 1.1 until Mozilla 2.0. And Yes I still
have
the 1.44 Floppy that contained 1.1 setup.



Netscape had tabbed browsing starting with 6.0, and continued to the
end
with 9.

Mozilla Suite had tabbed browsing from the beginning. 1.0 had it, as dd
every other version released, There was never a Mozilla 2.0, so I am
not sure where you are coming from on that one.

If you are talking about Firefox 2.0. well Firefox has also had tabbed
browsing since its inception as Phoenix.

The simplest answer is just don't use them. Maybe you could post an
example of when a tab opens when you don't want it to, so we can advise
you as to how to avoid it.

Lee

Once place its not needed is in mail and news. if don't show tabs if one
window is open is not ticked (in Tabbed browsing) a Tab shows up in mail
or new I have a screen shot to document it.



The implementation does not seem to be there yet, but when it is working
correctly, I would certainly like the ability to messages in tabs in
Mail/News. For example, viewing a post, then a reply to it in a tab,
particularly when the original is snipped drastically.

Then again, I can't imagine functioning without tabs in the browser
either. I think the advice is the same in either case, just don't use
them. My question was, when is a tab opening that you don't want to open?

I can open a message in a new tab by middle clicking it. I can open in
a new window, (which I never do) by double clicking it, just as 1.1.18
always behaved.

Just because the application has a new feature, which I think many will
value, doesn't mean that you have to use it if it doesn't work for you.

Lee


Different Strokes for Different Folks. I can't imagine using Tabs. The
concept is as foreign to me as walking around on the moon. And as
useless as it is to me in the browser, its absolute nonsense in mail and
news.

I have enough trouble concentrating on one thing at the time, having to
deal with all the tabs  I just not as hip as you young folks. At 60
am getting close to being over the hill.



I guess so.  At 56 I am so much more alert!  ;)

Well,in Preferences, I have everything checked to open in tabs instead 
of windows. That works fine, I never get a new window.


Are you saying the reverse is not true?  If so, under what circmstances 
are you getting a tab instead of a new window?  Unless we know how its 
happening, we can't advise as how to avoid it.


Lee
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Re: [ProfD] and its use in configuration/prefs.js (SM 2.0)

2009-11-16 Thread Barry Edwin Gilmour


 Bob Fleischer wrote:

Bob Fleischer wrote:

I notice that some paths in my about:config page start with [ProfD] -- I
assume this means that the path is relative to the profile directory.

However, not all paths are written thus -- many include the complete
path including (this is Windows) the drive letter.

Can all paths in the configuration or prefs.js be written relative to
the profile directory with [ProfD]? In particular, I'd like to get away
from the use of the drive letter so I can move a profile to a different
drive (or change the drive letter of the drive).

Are there any other symbolic file system locations other than [ProfD]? I
assume that Windows-defined symbolic locations, such as %APPDATA%,
aren't usable in paths in the profile.

Bob

Is there a better forum to ask an arcane technical question such as this?

Bob

perhaps mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey on this newsgroup's server
news://news.mozilla.org:119/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey
Something I notice on Linux, is that apart from user-preferenced 
external-paths (browser.open.dir for-example), full-URL profile-paths 
are only being used-by the Messenger-functions (including the 
message-compose-editor). Don't know about other relative-path-symbols 
used. Barry

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Re: Classic look for Seamonkey 2.0?

2009-11-16 Thread chicagofan


taz043 wrote:

Acharya Swami Rudra Kali Das wrote:

Hi,
Thankyou for your replies.
Yes , I did already have the default theme , which is the closest to
1.18 and Netscape 7.2., but still a little different.
Is there any chance a Classic Theme could be added which would give
the option to keep the same exact look.
Thankyou,
Rudra


I also vote for the return of the 1.18 classic theme.  The new classic
theme in 2.0 reminds me too much of firefox...



I never used 1.1.8, but the classic SM theme I had in 1.1.4 is no 
different, except for the smaller, slightly different icons on the task 
bar.  What is so different in 2.0 from 1.18?

bj
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Message window goes blank

2009-11-16 Thread William Morrison

Several times now while reading a email message in SM 2.0 either the 
message display pane or the pane where read and unread messages are 
listed and on some occasions both places just go blank. To correct this 
I have to either click on another message then go back to the one I was 
reading or click on another subfolder in the account folder pane then 
back to that folder. If that made any sense could someone tell me what 
causes it and how to stop it from happening or is this just the nature 
of the email client of 2.0? I can tell by the sound my hard drive is 
making that the computer is doing something but from what I can tell it 
must be from inside SM because most of the time I don't have anything 
else running when it happens.


--
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Massillon, Oh USA


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Re: I want No Tabs in seamonkey 2.0

2009-11-16 Thread Bush


Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Bush wrote:

Hartmut Figge wrote:

Bush:


I do not want any tabs in seamonkey 2.0 . How do I get rid of the
TABS.
I have unchecked every thing that pertains to Tans in Preferences .
Do I
have to Go back to ver 1.1.18 to Eliminate Tabs ?


I haven't tested much, but you could try these settings:
http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm091115.png (16 KB)

Hartmut

Same settings I have Here . Just maybe it is a Windows 7 thing? I
never
saw any Tabs since Netscape 1.1 until Mozilla 2.0. And Yes I still
have
the 1.44 Floppy that contained 1.1 setup.



Netscape had tabbed browsing starting with 6.0, and continued to the
end
with 9.

Mozilla Suite had tabbed browsing from the beginning. 1.0 had it,
as dd
every other version released, There was never a Mozilla 2.0, so I am
not sure where you are coming from on that one.

If you are talking about Firefox 2.0. well Firefox has also had tabbed
browsing since its inception as Phoenix.

The simplest answer is just don't use them. Maybe you could post an
example of when a tab opens when you don't want it to, so we can
advise
you as to how to avoid it.

Lee

Now that screen shots is abandoned where do I send screenshot. send me
your email address and I'll show where its not needed



Phillip, you have a web site. Why not upload your screenshot to that
space, and then link to it?

Lee


Okay:

http://www.phillipmjones.net/NoTabs.png

BTW: I've converted most of my html pages to XHTML (XML) 1.0.i
Transitional and as far as I can tell those that have been converted do
not have any errors. checked through DreamWeaver 8 (yes can't afford the
price of update to CS 4, for now) and I've used the code error check
built into iCab I am not say everything is perfect but I am working on
it.



What is this screenshot supposed to show? I see a Mail/News window with
no tabs open. How does it relate to the problem of not wanting tabs in
Mail/News?

Lee
I see a Tab Bar above the message , So why is Tabs available in MAIL ? 
and for What Reason.

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Re: I want No Tabs in seamonkey 2.0

2009-11-16 Thread Barry Edwin Gilmour


 Bush wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Bush wrote:

Hartmut Figge wrote:

Bush:


I do not want any tabs in seamonkey 2.0 . How do I get rid of the
TABS.
I have unchecked every thing that pertains to Tans in 
Preferences .

Do I
have to Go back to ver 1.1.18 to Eliminate Tabs ?


I haven't tested much, but you could try these settings:
http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm091115.png (16 KB)

Hartmut

Same settings I have Here . Just maybe it is a Windows 7 thing? I
never
saw any Tabs since Netscape 1.1 until Mozilla 2.0. And Yes I still
have
the 1.44 Floppy that contained 1.1 setup.



Netscape had tabbed browsing starting with 6.0, and continued to the
end
with 9.

Mozilla Suite had tabbed browsing from the beginning. 1.0 had it,
as dd
every other version released, There was never a Mozilla 2.0, so I am
not sure where you are coming from on that one.

If you are talking about Firefox 2.0. well Firefox has also had 
tabbed

browsing since its inception as Phoenix.

The simplest answer is just don't use them. Maybe you could post an
example of when a tab opens when you don't want it to, so we can
advise
you as to how to avoid it.

Lee
Now that screen shots is abandoned where do I send screenshot. 
send me

your email address and I'll show where its not needed



Phillip, you have a web site. Why not upload your screenshot to that
space, and then link to it?

Lee


Okay:

http://www.phillipmjones.net/NoTabs.png

BTW: I've converted most of my html pages to XHTML (XML) 1.0.i
Transitional and as far as I can tell those that have been converted do
not have any errors. checked through DreamWeaver 8 (yes can't afford 
the

price of update to CS 4, for now) and I've used the code error check
built into iCab I am not say everything is perfect but I am working on
it.



What is this screenshot supposed to show? I see a Mail/News window with
no tabs open. How does it relate to the problem of not wanting tabs in
Mail/News?

Lee
I see a Tab Bar above the message , So why is Tabs available in MAIL ? 
and for What Reason.
to enable opening messages in other full-size-tabs, while retaining the 
current-window opened in the first-tab, plus the Lightning's 
calendar-window-tab and Tasks-window-tab use a couple of tabs (if you 
load the lightning extension into the Add-ons manager).

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Re: SM 2.0 Download Progress Dialog...

2009-11-16 Thread Drew C.


On Thursday, November 12, 2009, at 9:45 p.m., Rufus wrote:
...and who figured it was a good idea to shrink the pause and stop 
buttons in the Download Progress Dialog pane to pin points?


It's like shootin' darts to hit those buttons...put 'em back the way 
they were!




Agreed. I've tried 2.0 and have found it generally an improvement over 1.x,
but I don't like the new download progress dialog. Specifically, I miss
1.x's large buttons and, more critically, the ability to easily copy the
local path of a download (bug 474640) so I can paste it to another
application or to a command line. I still can't figure out a way to do the
latter in 2.0, even from the Download Manager.

Until something is done about this, I'm going to continue using 1.1.18 as
my primary browser.
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Re: I want No Tabs in seamonkey 2.0

2009-11-16 Thread JAS

Bush wrote:
 Leonidas Jones wrote:
 Phillip Jones wrote:
 Leonidas Jones wrote:
 Phillip Jones wrote:
 Leonidas Jones wrote:
 Bush wrote:
 Hartmut Figge wrote:
 Bush:

 I do not want any tabs in seamonkey 2.0 . How do I get rid of the
 TABS.
 I have unchecked every thing that pertains to Tans in
 Preferences .
 Do I
 have to Go back to ver 1.1.18 to Eliminate Tabs ?

 I haven't tested much, but you could try these settings:
 http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm091115.png (16 KB)

 Hartmut
 Same settings I have Here . Just maybe it is a Windows 7 thing? I
 never
 saw any Tabs since Netscape 1.1 until Mozilla 2.0. And Yes I still
 have
 the 1.44 Floppy that contained 1.1 setup.


 Netscape had tabbed browsing starting with 6.0, and continued to the
 end
 with 9.

 Mozilla Suite had tabbed browsing from the beginning. 1.0 had it,
 as dd
 every other version released, There was never a Mozilla 2.0, so I am
 not sure where you are coming from on that one.

 If you are talking about Firefox 2.0. well Firefox has also had
 tabbed
 browsing since its inception as Phoenix.

 The simplest answer is just don't use them. Maybe you could post an
 example of when a tab opens when you don't want it to, so we can
 advise
 you as to how to avoid it.

 Lee
 Now that screen shots is abandoned where do I send screenshot.
 send me
 your email address and I'll show where its not needed


 Phillip, you have a web site. Why not upload your screenshot to that
 space, and then link to it?

 Lee

 Okay:

 http://www.phillipmjones.net/NoTabs.png

 BTW: I've converted most of my html pages to XHTML (XML) 1.0.i
 Transitional and as far as I can tell those that have been converted do
 not have any errors. checked through DreamWeaver 8 (yes can't afford
 the
 price of update to CS 4, for now) and I've used the code error check
 built into iCab I am not say everything is perfect but I am working on
 it.


 What is this screenshot supposed to show? I see a Mail/News window with
 no tabs open. How does it relate to the problem of not wanting tabs in
 Mail/News?

 Lee
 I see a Tab Bar above the message , So why is Tabs available in MAIL ?
 and for What Reason.
I find it very useful as I have Lightning's calendar loaded and if I
choose to invoke it I can toggle between my mail or my calendar and in
my browser I never open a new window just a new tab, much handier in MY
opinion. We all have our preferences, there is a lot of things I use and
many I do not but I do not insist that those I do not use be taken out
just because I do not use them.
JAS

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This means you are partly responsible for the mistreatment that you get at the 
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Re: SM 2.0 Download Progress Dialog...

2009-11-16 Thread NoOp

On 11/16/2009 06:06 PM, Drew C. wrote:
On Thursday, November 12, 2009, at 9:45 p.m., Rufus wrote:
...and who figured it was a good idea to shrink the pause and stop
buttons in the Download Progress Dialog pane to pin points?

It's like shootin' darts to hit those buttons...put 'em back the way
they were!

Agreed. I've tried 2.0 and have found it generally an improvement over 1.x,
but I don't like the new download progress dialog. Specifically, I miss
1.x's large buttons and, more critically, the ability to easily copy the
local path of a download (bug 474640) so I can paste it to another
application or to a command line. I still can't figure out a way to do the
latter in 2.0, even from the Download Manager.

Until something is done about this, I'm going to continue using 1.1.18 as
my primary browser.

You can copy the path of the download from the download progress dialog
*and* the download manager - just right-click the link being downloaded
and select 'Copy Download Link'.

I do it all the time to copy paste the link to gwget where I can
control the download rate. I start the download, copy the link, stop the
SM download as it has no rate/bandwidth control, and instead use gwget.

Here is a sample of a link that was copied from the download manager
(download was complete):
http://ftp.df.lth.se/mozilla/seamonkey/releases/2.0/linux-i686/en-US/seamonkey-2.0.tar.bz2

IMO 474640 should be closed as 'resolved'.

Regarding the size of the buttons; very much agree. There was a dission
over on the mozilla.support.seamonkey group prior to the release of SM
2.0. Maybe they'll be adjusted in 2.0.x.

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Re: I want No Tabs in seamonkey 2.0


Bush wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Bush wrote:

Hartmut Figge wrote:

Bush:


I do not want any tabs in seamonkey 2.0 . How do I get rid of the
TABS.
I have unchecked every thing that pertains to Tans in
Preferences .
Do I
have to Go back to ver 1.1.18 to Eliminate Tabs ?


I haven't tested much, but you could try these settings:
http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm091115.png (16 KB)

Hartmut

Same settings I have Here . Just maybe it is a Windows 7 thing? I
never
saw any Tabs since Netscape 1.1 until Mozilla 2.0. And Yes I still
have
the 1.44 Floppy that contained 1.1 setup.



Netscape had tabbed browsing starting with 6.0, and continued to the
end
with 9.

Mozilla Suite had tabbed browsing from the beginning. 1.0 had it,
as dd
every other version released, There was never a Mozilla 2.0, so I am
not sure where you are coming from on that one.

If you are talking about Firefox 2.0. well Firefox has also had
tabbed
browsing since its inception as Phoenix.

The simplest answer is just don't use them. Maybe you could post an
example of when a tab opens when you don't want it to, so we can
advise
you as to how to avoid it.

Lee

Now that screen shots is abandoned where do I send screenshot. send me
your email address and I'll show where its not needed



Phillip, you have a web site. Why not upload your screenshot to that
space, and then link to it?

Lee


Okay:

http://www.phillipmjones.net/NoTabs.png

BTW: I've converted most of my html pages to XHTML (XML) 1.0.i
Transitional and as far as I can tell those that have been converted do
not have any errors. checked through DreamWeaver 8 (yes can't afford the
price of update to CS 4, for now) and I've used the code error check
built into iCab I am not say everything is perfect but I am working on
it.



What is this screenshot supposed to show? I see a Mail/News window with
no tabs open. How does it relate to the problem of not wanting tabs in
Mail/News?

Lee

I see a Tab Bar above the message , So why is Tabs available in MAIL ?
and for What Reason.


Yes there is a tab bar, but only one tab is open.  From here, if I 
choose to hide the tab bar when only one tab is open, Mail/News honors 
that, so if tabs are not being used, it should not display.


See other messages for possible uses of tabs in Mail/News.  Actually, 
this has been a much asked for feature, and has great possibilities.


Lee
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Re: SeaMonkey 1.8 look on SM 2.0


S. Beaulieu wrote:

Claude Duvergier wrote:

I think he wants the opposite : SeaMonkey Default Theme

SeaMonkey 2.0 is now natively using SeaMonkey Modern




Not on my system. It automatically picked the default theme (which would
be expected) and I had to revert to Modern to get it back...

Maybe this behaviour changes according to what OS one is using?

S.


Yes it does, it is the Default after all.  ;) It seems to be the default 
on Windows and Linux, as well as OS X.  The default theme is geared to 
the OS, and looks rather different depending on the OS, but it is the 
default.


Modern Theme is available. You might check Saifish's site for some others:

http://www.projectit.com/

From communicating with Pat, Simple Green and Cold Fusion are not going 
to be ported to SeaMonkey. They are based on browser only versions of 
Netscape, and cannot be ported easily to the suite.  However, there are 
several other options, Sky Pilot, and Modern Mozillium as a couple of 
examples.


I have become very fond of the Venerable Modern theme.  I also hove a 
fondness for KaiRo's Star Trek theme, though I admit it is a bit of an 
acquired taste.


Lee



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Re: SM 2.0: No Home Button on Personal Toolbar