Re: Chatzilla charset
Ray_Net schrieb: Nobody can help me ? Is it enough that i post this(as it is now) to bugzilla ? Looks like you have run an acceptable amount of tests ;-) regards Martin -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - http://www.asciiribbon.org/index-de.html ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.0 vs 1.1.18
Paul wrote: John wrote: Just re installed 1.1.18 and all the problems I had with SM2.0 vanished. It was really annoying using SM2.0 it kept asking for a username password for email accounts. ugly. I used Netscape 4.08 until a year ago, then went to SM 1117. I am still with 1117. I should be good now until about the year 2014. I must say, I am surprised you did not at some point upgrade to Netscape 7.2! -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Happy with 2.0.1 now (Almost)
Since my previous problems had disappeared, without any real solution, I'm pretty happy with 2.0.1. Only two things to complain about: 1. No quick start button. I really miss that! 2. No way to disable having to enter a password when initializing SM without deleting ALL web, password, certificates, etc. information. I have nothing on my system that I would not be willing to share with my minister or the FBI. Unfortunately when I installed SM 2.0 I entered a master password. There should be a way, assuming the user HAS the master password to deleted it without deleting anything else. That said, since I installed SM2 into folders named Seamonkey2, can I delete all folders named Seamonkey? -- Ed Everyone complains of his memory, no one of his judgment. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Confused about SM 2.0.1
Why do I see all the references to SM 2.0.1 when the latest official version is (AFAICT) SM 2.0? -- David Wilkinson ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Confused about SM 2.0.1
David Wilkinson wrote: Why do I see all the references to SM 2.0.1 when the latest official version is (AFAICT) SM 2.0? I know about using nighties I used to do that myself to test and comment. When the comments went in one ear and out the other I quit using nighties. I figured my comments didn't count for anything, so why risk damaging my computer for nothing. But believe I read either in this forum or perhaps on the SM group, that SM2.0.1 was supposed to come out the same exact time FF3.5.5 was to hit the streets. well I've updated to FF3.5.5 a couple of weeks ago, and still no update. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bing as SM2 search engine preference
NoOp wrote: On 12/14/2009 01:08 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: NoOp wrote: On 12/13/2009 08:53 PM, JAS wrote: Is there a way to add Bing to the search engine preference so it can be set as default? You could modify one of the seamonkey/searchplugins .src files to use bing. Note here is the message you receive in SM 2 when you attempt to load Bing add on: Sorry, you need a Mozilla-based browser (such as Firefox) to install a search plugin. According to MS apparently SeaMonkey isn't a mozilla product. I didn't say add a Bing add-on; I stated You could modify one of the seamonkey/searchplugins .src files to use bing. Look in the folder that I mentioned you'll see the .src files for the search engine plugins. Here's one: # Mozilla/Google plug-in by amitp+mozi...@google.com search name=Google description=Google Search method=GET action=http://www.google.com/search; update=http://www.google.com/mozilla/google.src; updateCheckDays=1 queryEncoding=utf-8 queryCharset=utf-8 input name=q user inputnext name=start factor=10 inputprev name=start factor=10 input name=ie value=utf-8 input name=oe value=utf-8 interpret browserResultType=result charset = UTF-8 resultListStart=!--a-- resultListEnd=!--z-- resultItemStart=!--m-- resultItemEnd=!--n-- /search Copy and modify that to adjust for Bing you're good to go. Heck, you guys do more with chrome mods, user.js mods etc., for your fancy themes than the few minutes it would take to do a bing.src file add a bing.gif. Then to change the default, all you really need to do is change your browser search preferences to use Bing instead of whatever. I've read they are supposed to be getting away from src 's and strictly addons . I've worked around the problem I've just gone to Bing site the dragged and dropped on to bookmarks bar I'll wait for the people to make the Bing add on work for SM 2 if not I can use it anyway. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2 Bugs?
mcewr wrote: I have noticed a couple of things since I upgraded to Seamonkey 2.0: 1. The mail in my POP accounts doesn't seem to automatically download at startup. 2. I can't send large attachments anymore (window stops at 3%). Does anyone know if these are 2.0 bugs? Thanks, Rod item 1 Edit Menu Mail and news groups go to email account in question click on Server settings the look in window for server settings click box next to check for mail at start up. the also check for new messages every ___ minutes. I have set 10 minutes but set for any time 10 minutes or more. less than ten SM spends all its time looking for new messages and slows SM down considerable. Item #2 depends upon your ISP and type connection. just recently I I got a warning about my mailbox was overloaded. Turns out I had huge amount of hidden saved replies that I could only access through my ISP's Web mail. I've been careful since to check. I had 18mb of hidden replies. now its less than 1k of space used. You might be running out of room in your Sips email account for you. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey web page Composer
LDixon wrote: I'm glad that SeaMonkey has maintained Netscape Composer. But, I was surprised to find that it hasn't been improved at all, that I can see. Here are a few suggestions: * Put a scroll bar in the Format/Font menu, for speed. (I use Ariel and Verdana a lot!) * Put the font options (style, size, etc.) in the tool bar, as one sees in Word. * When inserting images, don't make the the default Alternate text (I *never, ever* use that) - or else don't force making a choice. I could come up with other suggestions, but those are a few simple ones. Thanks. If you don't use alt Text (for images) your website will never ever pass W3C standards compliance. I use them all the time on my website for any images. This is so if for whatever reason your image gets lost for what ever reason the viewers of your site should know thatey should have seen and let you know so you can fix it. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2 Bugs?
Phillip Jones wrote: mcewr wrote: I have noticed a couple of things since I upgraded to Seamonkey 2.0: 1. The mail in my POP accounts doesn't seem to automatically download at startup. 2. I can't send large attachments anymore (window stops at 3%). Does anyone know if these are 2.0 bugs? Thanks, Rod item 1 Edit Menu Mail and news groups go to email account in question click on Server settings the look in window for server settings click box next to check for mail at start up. the also check for new messages every ___ minutes. I have set 10 minutes but set for any time 10 minutes or more. less than ten SM spends all its time looking for new messages and slows SM down considerable. Item #2 depends upon your ISP and type connection. just recently I I got a warning about my mailbox was overloaded. Turns out I had huge amount of hidden saved replies that I could only access through my ISP's Web mail. I've been careful since to check. I had 18mb of hidden replies. now its less than 1k of space used. You might be running out of room in your *ISP's* email account for you. making correction above. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Intermittent incorrect favicon bug
On 12/14/09 12:23 PM, art wrote: On 12/14/09 8:43 AM, MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 14/12/2009 03:05, Rex told the world: I've often seen this happen: Let's say I have tabs A,B,C in order. Each one displays its own favicon. I either open a 3rd tab adjacent to B(I use 'Tabs open relative') but before C, or enter a new URL within B. Sometimes the favicon for C gets replaced with the one for B. I have noticed another, possibly related bug: Some bookmarks somehow get the wrong favicon. I didn't investigate the matter deeply, but I suspect it might have something to do with the aggressively look for website icons feature -- the one in which Seamonkey looks for a file named favicon.ico on the website's root. For the second issue - this might be related to the fact that the favicon may be already in the browser's cache. Try flushing the cache (via preferences/advanced/cache or Manuel Reimer's PrefBar add-on), reload the page(s) and see if that makes a difference. It also may depend on whether SM is looking for the default favicon.ico file at the server's root level or whether the web page is explicitly specifying a favicon file via alink rel=shortcut icon ... orlink rel=icon ... statement. Viewing the web page source will confirm this. I forgot to add that browser.chrome.favicons should be set to true as well. I've seen unpredictable favicon display if it's set to false. -- Art ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cookies
Cedar wrote: chicagofan wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: Cedar schrieb: On a dialup connection, would it be normal to suffer extreme slowdowns and pauses in the internet connection because of blocking cookies? Nope. Any chance this is just seasonal traffic increase due to Christmas shoppers online? I remember when I was on dial up with ATT, December was always a miserable month for me. However, that was a long time ago, so things may have improved since then. Well, in general, I doubt if things have improved for us poor ol' dialupers, and of course, will not improve any further as its basically a dead technology. But, no, it can't be the Christmas thingit's just way too extreme for that, and I've never noticed that before on ours, actually. Since FF seems to be working quite well, and the, ugh...other browser just flies through it all, it's obviously something with sm, unfortunately. Oh well, I guess we can survive with FF until/if SM's next version improves things. Sorry... I missed that the anything goes other browser is working fine and even FF is better. :) I don't know the technical explanation for pipelining, just that it is supposed to speed up connections, and that I used it. I would try it as suggested by NoOp, and the other things... switching the settings. bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.0 vs 1.1.18
John Doue wrote: Paul wrote: John wrote: Just re installed 1.1.18 and all the problems I had with SM2.0 vanished. It was really annoying using SM2.0 it kept asking for a username password for email accounts. ugly. I used Netscape 4.08 until a year ago, then went to SM 1117. I am still with 1117. I should be good now until about the year 2014. I must say, I am surprised you did not at some point upgrade to Netscape 7.2! I have had very bad experiences with AOL of I would stay away from Netscape. I did use it from its inception until it was sold. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Happy with 2.0.1 now (Almost)
BeeNeR wrote: Only two things to complain about: 1. No quick start button. I really miss that! Gone for good, sorry. 2. No way to disable having to enter a password when initializing SM without deleting ALL web, password, certificates, etc. information. Quoting from the Release Notes: MailNews account password prompts are no longer serial at startup (Bug 338549) Workaround: If a Master Password is set and you saved your login credentials, only one prompt will appear at startup. You can disable this new behavior by setting signon.startup.prompt to false in about:config. I have nothing on my system that I would not be willing to share with my minister or the FBI. Unfortunately when I installed SM 2.0 I entered a master password. There should be a way, assuming the user HAS the master password to deleted it without deleting anything else. There is: Edit Preferences Privacy Security Master Passwords, click Change Password..., enter your master password in the Current password field, click OK. That said, since I installed SM2 into folders named Seamonkey2, can I delete all folders named Seamonkey? Depends on where you have folders named Seamonkey and what you put in them. ;-) If you mean the SM 1.1.x application directory: You might want to check the dictionaries/, plugins/ and searchplugins/ folders and initially only move instead of delete but other than that it can go. HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Confused about SM 2.0.1
Phillip Jones wrote: David Wilkinson wrote: Why do I see all the references to SM 2.0.1 when the latest official version is (AFAICT) SM 2.0? I know about using nighties I used to do that myself to test and comment. When the comments went in one ear and out the other I quit using nighties. I figured my comments didn't count for anything, so why risk damaging my computer for nothing. But believe I read either in this forum or perhaps on the SM group, that SM2.0.1 was supposed to come out the same exact time FF3.5.5 was to hit the streets. well I've updated to FF3.5.5 a couple of weeks ago, and still no update. So all these people talking about SM 2.0.1 are using the nightlies? I think you must be right, but this is not generally apparent from the way they talk. -- David Wilkinson ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Confused about SM 2.0.1
Phillip Jones wrote: David Wilkinson wrote: Why do I see all the references to SM 2.0.1 when the latest official version is (AFAICT) SM 2.0? But believe I read either in this forum or perhaps on the SM group, that SM2.0.1 was supposed to come out the same exact time FF3.5.5 was to hit the streets. well I've updated to FF3.5.5 a couple of weeks ago, and still no update. That's because they'll both be released *today*. ;-) The people already using 2.0.1 are those who installed the latest 2.0.1 release candidate which now that no new release candidate will be released, is exactly what will be released as 2.0.1 later today (well most probably that is, only KaiRo knows for sure). Release candidates cannot be distinguished from final versions because the last of the former will always be released as the latter, unchanged. HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Confused about SM 2.0.1
David Wilkinson wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: David Wilkinson wrote: Why do I see all the references to SM 2.0.1 when the latest official version is (AFAICT) SM 2.0? /snip/ So all these people talking about SM 2.0.1 are using the nightlies? I think you must be right, but this is not generally apparent from the way they talk. Its a release candidate that we were asked to test, should be released today I think. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Happy with 2.0.1 now (Almost)
On or about 12/15/2009 2:02 PM, Jens Hatlak typed the following: BeeNeR wrote: Only two things to complain about: 1. No quick start button. I really miss that! Gone for good, sorry. 2. No way to disable having to enter a password when initializing SM without deleting ALL web, password, certificates, etc. information. Quoting from the Release Notes: MailNews account password prompts are no longer serial at startup (Bug 338549) Workaround: If a Master Password is set and you saved your login credentials, only one prompt will appear at startup. You can disable this new behavior by setting signon.startup.prompt to false in about:config. I have nothing on my system that I would not be willing to share with my minister or the FBI. Unfortunately when I installed SM 2.0 I entered a master password. There should be a way, assuming the user HAS the master password to deleted it without deleting anything else. There is: Edit Preferences Privacy Security Master Passwords, click Change Password..., enter your master password in the Current password field, click OK. That said, since I installed SM2 into folders named Seamonkey2, can I delete all folders named Seamonkey? Depends on where you have folders named Seamonkey and what you put in them. ;-) If you mean the SM 1.1.x application directory: You might want to check the dictionaries/, plugins/ and searchplugins/ folders and initially only move instead of delete but other than that it can go. HTH Jens Thank Jens - I mis-understood the entering new password feature. I though a new master password *had* to be entered. And the only other option was a *reset* which would have wiped out all my stored info. Did as you suggested and am no longer asked for password (twice)on starting SM. Too bad about the 'quick start' feature though. -- Ed Amusement is the happiness of those who cannot think. -Alexander Pope ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Confused about SM 2.0.1
David Wilkinson wrote: Why do I see all the references to SM 2.0.1 when the latest official version is (AFAICT) SM 2.0? Thanks all. I got it now. It's the release candidate. -- David Wilkinson ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: setting up email account
On 12/15/2009 1:44 PM, Martin Freitag wrote: Carolyn schrieb: I just downloaded the latest version of Seamonkey but I do not know how to set up my email account. When it asks for the server information, I don't know where to find that information. Can anybody help me? Carolyn It should be listed in the help of your email-provider. Just consult their webpage. If you still can't find it, maybe tell us what your email-provier is. regards Martin Also, the OP may want to continue this in mozilla.support.seamonkey, rather than mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey. Follow-up set. Carolyn: mozilla.support.seamonkey is the support group. On the other hand, mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey is used for technical discussions by the developers. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
hawker wrote: So I just got to wondering if most of us Seamonkey people are just Netscape hold ons that are not comfortable with the FireFox/Thunderbird interface for whatever reason? Anyone out there a Seamonkey user who was not a Netscape users? As for me I started on Netscape 1.x though 4.6x then skipped to Netscape 7.x (6.x never worked well for me), on to Mozilla Suite and then Seamonkey. Firefox/Thunderbird never felt comfortable to me since I knew Netscape better and so I stay here with Seamonkey. I'm asking all this because I'm currently questing why I am staying on Seamonkey. I like a few things about it over Firefox/Thunderbird but with 2.0 out and many extensions broken or no longer supporting Seamonkey - all of which still work in Firefox I'm questing why I'm so resistant to go over th Firefox. Seamonkey just isn't getting the support it did when it was still Mozilla Suite unfortunately (a fact I don't want to accept). I'm also still, on some computers, still a Eudora user even though that program, with all that is great about it, is getting almost to the point of unusable with poor current standards support. So perhaps I'm just an anachronism wishing still for the days of 110baud teletype BBSs again ;) Anyone want to wax philosophical about this? Hawker I stay with it mainly for it's user configurable security features, and the fact that I like it for it's integrated browser/mail/usenet suite - it's convenient. But like yourself, I'm beginning to question my loyalty to it - particularly in light of the random changes to the interface which either deny me the utility I once praised, eliminate it entirely, or confuse me as to it's current state after it's alleged upgrade. There are a number of enterprise customers I support which still hang onto NS (in place of IE) in some situations because of some of that aforementioned configurability and functionality that I have personally been trying to get to look at Seamonkey (for it's comparable certificate handling, strong 128 bit encryption, cookie management, etc.) as an update/upgrade...but I'm not really sure I should continue to do that at this point. Some of those customers are now using Firefox in place of NS, but that doesn't really get me what I desire - these customers generally use MS Outlook, and so the suite concept doesn't sell with them. The lack of status information in the dialog boxes regarding the aforementioned attributes is certainly not reassuring to such customers...and then there's those stupid tiny buttons...and that's just two starting points of departure when it comes to addressing an enterprise user base... I may start paying more attention the Firefox/Thunderbird solution myself...I've been tinkering with TB 3.0 and so far I'm far more pleased with it than I have been with SM 2.0. If Firefox offers the control I like(d) in SM, I may just switch. If it's good enough for corporations, it's probably good enough for me. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
For all of the changes to Seamonkey they are dwarfed by the changes in Thunderbird. On 12/15/2009 8:10 PM, Rufus wrote: hawker wrote: So I just got to wondering if most of us Seamonkey people are just Netscape hold ons that are not comfortable with the FireFox/Thunderbird interface for whatever reason? Anyone out there a Seamonkey user who was not a Netscape users? As for me I started on Netscape 1.x though 4.6x then skipped to Netscape 7.x (6.x never worked well for me), on to Mozilla Suite and then Seamonkey. Firefox/Thunderbird never felt comfortable to me since I knew Netscape better and so I stay here with Seamonkey. I'm asking all this because I'm currently questing why I am staying on Seamonkey. I like a few things about it over Firefox/Thunderbird but with 2.0 out and many extensions broken or no longer supporting Seamonkey - all of which still work in Firefox I'm questing why I'm so resistant to go over th Firefox. Seamonkey just isn't getting the support it did when it was still Mozilla Suite unfortunately (a fact I don't want to accept). I'm also still, on some computers, still a Eudora user even though that program, with all that is great about it, is getting almost to the point of unusable with poor current standards support. So perhaps I'm just an anachronism wishing still for the days of 110baud teletype BBSs again ;) Anyone want to wax philosophical about this? Hawker I stay with it mainly for it's user configurable security features, and the fact that I like it for it's integrated browser/mail/usenet suite - it's convenient. But like yourself, I'm beginning to question my loyalty to it - particularly in light of the random changes to the interface which either deny me the utility I once praised, eliminate it entirely, or confuse me as to it's current state after it's alleged upgrade. There are a number of enterprise customers I support which still hang onto NS (in place of IE) in some situations because of some of that aforementioned configurability and functionality that I have personally been trying to get to look at Seamonkey (for it's comparable certificate handling, strong 128 bit encryption, cookie management, etc.) as an update/upgrade...but I'm not really sure I should continue to do that at this point. Some of those customers are now using Firefox in place of NS, but that doesn't really get me what I desire - these customers generally use MS Outlook, and so the suite concept doesn't sell with them. The lack of status information in the dialog boxes regarding the aforementioned attributes is certainly not reassuring to such customers...and then there's those stupid tiny buttons...and that's just two starting points of departure when it comes to addressing an enterprise user base... I may start paying more attention the Firefox/Thunderbird solution myself...I've been tinkering with TB 3.0 and so far I'm far more pleased with it than I have been with SM 2.0. If Firefox offers the control I like(d) in SM, I may just switch. If it's good enough for corporations, it's probably good enough for me. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
...which brings up a good point - the changes in Thunderbird were/are actually for the better...on all but on point I can think of. -- - Rufus rob wrote: For all of the changes to Seamonkey they are dwarfed by the changes in Thunderbird. On 12/15/2009 8:10 PM, Rufus wrote: hawker wrote: So I just got to wondering if most of us Seamonkey people are just Netscape hold ons that are not comfortable with the FireFox/Thunderbird interface for whatever reason? Anyone out there a Seamonkey user who was not a Netscape users? As for me I started on Netscape 1.x though 4.6x then skipped to Netscape 7.x (6.x never worked well for me), on to Mozilla Suite and then Seamonkey. Firefox/Thunderbird never felt comfortable to me since I knew Netscape better and so I stay here with Seamonkey. I'm asking all this because I'm currently questing why I am staying on Seamonkey. I like a few things about it over Firefox/Thunderbird but with 2.0 out and many extensions broken or no longer supporting Seamonkey - all of which still work in Firefox I'm questing why I'm so resistant to go over th Firefox. Seamonkey just isn't getting the support it did when it was still Mozilla Suite unfortunately (a fact I don't want to accept). I'm also still, on some computers, still a Eudora user even though that program, with all that is great about it, is getting almost to the point of unusable with poor current standards support. So perhaps I'm just an anachronism wishing still for the days of 110baud teletype BBSs again ;) Anyone want to wax philosophical about this? Hawker I stay with it mainly for it's user configurable security features, and the fact that I like it for it's integrated browser/mail/usenet suite - it's convenient. But like yourself, I'm beginning to question my loyalty to it - particularly in light of the random changes to the interface which either deny me the utility I once praised, eliminate it entirely, or confuse me as to it's current state after it's alleged upgrade. There are a number of enterprise customers I support which still hang onto NS (in place of IE) in some situations because of some of that aforementioned configurability and functionality that I have personally been trying to get to look at Seamonkey (for it's comparable certificate handling, strong 128 bit encryption, cookie management, etc.) as an update/upgrade...but I'm not really sure I should continue to do that at this point. Some of those customers are now using Firefox in place of NS, but that doesn't really get me what I desire - these customers generally use MS Outlook, and so the suite concept doesn't sell with them. The lack of status information in the dialog boxes regarding the aforementioned attributes is certainly not reassuring to such customers...and then there's those stupid tiny buttons...and that's just two starting points of departure when it comes to addressing an enterprise user base... I may start paying more attention the Firefox/Thunderbird solution myself...I've been tinkering with TB 3.0 and so far I'm far more pleased with it than I have been with SM 2.0. If Firefox offers the control I like(d) in SM, I may just switch. If it's good enough for corporations, it's probably good enough for me. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SeaMonkey 2.0.1 Security Update
As part of Mozilla's ongoing stability and security update process, SeaMonkey 2.0.1 is now available for Windows, Mac, and Linux as a free download from www.seamonkey-project.org. We strongly recommend that all SeaMonkey and old suite users upgrade to this latest release. If you already have SeaMonkey 2.0, you will receive an automated update notification within 24 to 48 hours. This update can also be applied manually by selecting Check for Updates... from the Help menu. For a list of changes and more information, please review the SeaMonkey 2.0.1 Release Notes. Note: All SeaMonkey 1.x and old Mozilla or Netscape suite users are encouraged to upgrade to SeaMonkey 2.0.x by downloading it from www.seamonkey-project.org. Full news article: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2009-12-15 Downloads for all available platforms and languages: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ Release notes: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0.1 System Requirements: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements Robert Kaiser SeaMonkey project coordinator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Confused about SM 2.0.1
NoOp wrote: On 12/15/2009 11:21 AM, Jens Hatlak wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: David Wilkinson wrote: Why do I see all the references to SM 2.0.1 when the latest official version is (AFAICT) SM 2.0? But believe I read either in this forum or perhaps on the SM group, that SM2.0.1 was supposed to come out the same exact time FF3.5.5 was to hit the streets. well I've updated to FF3.5.5 a couple of weeks ago, and still no update. That's because they'll both be released *today*. ;-) Apparently not yet as of 19:12 PDT Missed by 4 minutes, see Robert's post. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.1 Security Update
Robert Kaiser wrote: As part of Mozilla's ongoing stability and security update process, SeaMonkey 2.0.1 is now available for Windows, Mac, and Linux as a free download from www.seamonkey-project.org. We strongly recommend that all SeaMonkey and old suite users upgrade to this latest release. If you already have SeaMonkey 2.0, you will receive an automated update notification within 24 to 48 hours. This update can also be applied manually by selecting Check for Updates... from the Help menu. For a list of changes and more information, please review the SeaMonkey 2.0.1 Release Notes. Note: All SeaMonkey 1.x and old Mozilla or Netscape suite users are encouraged to upgrade to SeaMonkey 2.0.x by downloading it from www.seamonkey-project.org. Full news article: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2009-12-15 Downloads for all available platforms and languages: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ Release notes: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0.1 System Requirements: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements Robert Kaiser SeaMonkey project coordinator Robert, Is it still recommended that we uninstall the previous SeaMonkey version before installing the update? Thanks for all the work! -George ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
hawker schrieb: So I just got to wondering if most of us Seamonkey people are just Netscape hold ons that are not comfortable with the FireFox/Thunderbird interface for whatever reason? Their GUI is crippled. Anyone out there a Seamonkey user who was not a Netscape users? Yes there are some (probably because some Oldschool-Netscape=Samonkey-User got his hands on their PC ;-P) I came from NS4 to Netscape6 and pretty soon to Mozilla Suite once I found ot NS6 was based on it and Mozilla updating much faster (NS6 tended to crash for me quite often, was based on some milestone-release only afaik) I'm asking all this because I'm currently questing why I am staying on Seamonkey. I like a few things about it over Firefox/Thunderbird but with 2.0 out and many extensions broken or no longer supporting Seamonkey Which ones? Most popular extensions which worked in SM1 do work (some need compatibility enforcement) or have an equivalent in my opinion. Seamonkey just isn't getting the support it did when it was still Mozilla Suite unfortunately (a fact I don't want to accept). Spread the word, spread Seamonkey ;-) Many extension authors are willing and capable of adjusting their extensions, just drop them a line. :-) regards Martin -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - http://www.asciiribbon.org/index-de.html ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: ...which brings up a good point - the changes in Thunderbird were/are actually for the better...on all but on point I can think of. Well, take a good look at eh TB group, there wold seem to be a lot who disagree. Lee I had zero issues with the TB 3.0 installation, and all of my SM Mail and News accounts and pref settings were migrated without any trouble or issue. Mostly what I've noted with TB 3.0 is that it's default Mac interface is a lot more Mac-like than what was done for SM 2.0 - I'm inclined to go hunting another Theme like I was with SM's default. I also like that I can drag and drop the order of my NG and Accounts in the Sidebar...which I can't do with SM. Admittedly, I'm not a heavy TB user - I use SM primarily, and Apple Mail.app. I pretty much use TB only as a newsreader. But I'm liking it so far, with the exception that the Attachment icon is now far too small - same interface issue as I have with SM 2.0 Dialog boxes. But in the TB case I could suggest that the Attachment icon size scale with the tray size - which it doesn't. That would let the user set the size to something reasonable to the user. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.1 Security Update
Leonidas Jones wrote: George Carden wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: As part of Mozilla's ongoing stability and security update process, SeaMonkey 2.0.1 is now available for Windows, Mac, and Linux as a free download from www.seamonkey-project.org. We strongly recommend that all SeaMonkey and old suite users upgrade to this latest release. If you already have SeaMonkey 2.0, you will receive an automated update notification within 24 to 48 hours. This update can also be applied manually by selecting Check for Updates... from the Help menu. For a list of changes and more information, please review the SeaMonkey 2.0.1 Release Notes. Note: All SeaMonkey 1.x and old Mozilla or Netscape suite users are encouraged to upgrade to SeaMonkey 2.0.x by downloading it from www.seamonkey-project.org. Full news article: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2009-12-15 Downloads for all available platforms and languages: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ Release notes: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0.1 System Requirements: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements Robert Kaiser SeaMonkey project coordinator Robert, Is it still recommended that we uninstall the previous SeaMonkey version before installing the update? Thanks for all the work! -George A point update like this should install from the updater, there should be no need to uninstall. Lee Worked for me. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.1 Security Update
George Carden wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: As part of Mozilla's ongoing stability and security update process, SeaMonkey 2.0.1 is now available for Windows, Mac, and Linux as a free download from www.seamonkey-project.org. We strongly recommend that all SeaMonkey and old suite users upgrade to this latest release. If you already have SeaMonkey 2.0, you will receive an automated update notification within 24 to 48 hours. This update can also be applied manually by selecting Check for Updates... from the Help menu. For a list of changes and more information, please review the SeaMonkey 2.0.1 Release Notes. Note: All SeaMonkey 1.x and old Mozilla or Netscape suite users are encouraged to upgrade to SeaMonkey 2.0.x by downloading it from www.seamonkey-project.org. Full news article: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2009-12-15 Downloads for all available platforms and languages: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ Release notes: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0.1 System Requirements: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements Robert Kaiser SeaMonkey project coordinator Robert, Is it still recommended that we uninstall the previous SeaMonkey version before installing the update? Thanks for all the work! -George A point update like this should install from the updater, there should be no need to uninstall. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Threading don't work for one mail address
On 12/15/09 02:47 am, Martin Freitag wrote: As I don't have TB, so that's not possible for me to do. But that editor could be useful also in SM. Maybe time to file an enhancement bug if it doesn't already exist? ;-) It's the same as about:config ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:34:11 -0500, hawker wrote: I'm asking all this because I'm currently questing why I am staying on Seamonkey. I like a few things about it over Firefox/Thunderbird but with 2.0 out and many extensions broken or no longer supporting Seamonkey - all of which still work in Firefox I'm questing why I'm so Hi! Which extensions that you are personally concerned about that are broken or not longer supporting SeaMonkey? We are currently planning an outreach program targeting extension authors who used to support the old Mozilla Suite or SeaMonkey 1.x, to encourage them to resume support for the Suite. If you let us know about any specific extensions we can add those authors to our email spam^Wmarketing campaign. I'm also still, on some computers, still a Eudora user even though that program, with all that is great about it, is getting almost to the point of unusable with poor current standards support. So perhaps I'm just an anachronism wishing still for the days of 110baud teletype BBSs again ;) Have you tried the latest Eudora 8 betas? Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:33:15 -0800, Rufus wrote: ...which brings up a good point - the changes in Thunderbird were/are actually for the better...on all but on point I can think of. This is surprising since we share the exact same mailnews backend code as Thunderbird 3.0. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:33:15 -0800, Rufus wrote: ...which brings up a good point - the changes in Thunderbird were/are actually for the better...on all but on point I can think of. This is surprising since we share the exact same mailnews backend code as Thunderbird 3.0. Phil Yes, but the interface options/functionality between the two is different - most notably in that I can drag and drop Account/NG order in TB, and I can't in SM. And I just discovered that in TB I can open a tab for each server/subscription if I want, and those tabs don't close at shutdown and the state is remembered at the next startup - I really like that. The only thing I've seen in TB 3.0 that I don't like so far is that the Attachment icon in the message tray is displayed too small - but that could be sufficiently addressed by making it scale in accord with the user set height of the tray. Function to the user makes all the difference - not so much what's under the hood. I'm becoming more inclined to start using TB more. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:34:11 -0500, hawker wrote: I'm asking all this because I'm currently questing why I am staying on Seamonkey. I like a few things about it over Firefox/Thunderbird but with 2.0 out and many extensions broken or no longer supporting Seamonkey - all of which still work in Firefox I'm questing why I'm so Hi! Which extensions that you are personally concerned about that are broken or not longer supporting SeaMonkey? We are currently planning an outreach program targeting extension authors who used to support the old Mozilla Suite or SeaMonkey 1.x, to encourage them to resume support for the Suite. If you let us know about any specific extensions we can add those authors to our email spam^Wmarketing campaign. I'm also still, on some computers, still a Eudora user even though that program, with all that is great about it, is getting almost to the point of unusable with poor current standards support. So perhaps I'm just an anachronism wishing still for the days of 110baud teletype BBSs again ;) Have you tried the latest Eudora 8 betas? Phil I don't think RoboForm supports SM 2 yet. http://www.roboform.com/browsers.html Mike C ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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