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Re: Multiple Seamonkey and Firefox Profiles: Everything but the Kitchen Sync
On 3/5/11 11:32 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 11-03-04 1:21 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: David E. Ross schrieb: Please be aware of plans to eliminate multiple profiles. When implemented, multiple profiles will be available for developers via a contrived interface; but the user interface will be removed. Please be aware that the SeaMonkey team always has said that it intends to keep some user interface for profiles around, and that the support for profiles will not even be removed from Firefox, only the user interface. Don't spread fear, uncertainty and doubt where it's not warranted. You can prevent these things by making clear and complete statements that users can understand. Offhand remarks full of unstated assumptions and implications are counterproductive. Are you saying that Robert's reply wasn't clear and complete or that he should have said something earlier? This particular answer was clear. But we sometimes see statements where a developer seems to think we already know something and merely alludes to it without explaining; then we ask for more and get the full story in response to the followup. I was advocating best practices in communication, not criticizing. One of these best practices is to give a clear, complete answer on the first pass, or even preempt questions by making a well-written announcement. David E. Ross made a statement earlier in this thread (later misattributed to get-funky.dig by a bad snip): Please be aware of plans to eliminate multiple profiles. When implemented, multiple profiles will be available for developers via a contrived interface; but the user interface will be removed. I don't know whether David E. Ross is a developer, but this would be an example of how not to announce a change. It scares people without offering enough clarity for them to understand that they need not be scared (as we learned later from Robert Kaiser). And it's more typical of a user who heard part of the story and based a warning on that fragmentary information. As I said, I'm advocating best practices, not criticizing. Clarity is usually the best form of PR. Thinking back, I can't remember an announcement from the developer team as to the future fate of profiles, so David E. Ross's warning was the first I heard of it. Perhaps I've overlooked or forgotten the announcement. I am not a developer. If you look at the three bug reports I cited earlier, nothing is stated in any of them similar to what Kaiser replied in this thread. The only positive statement regarding this issue was a reference in bug #540194 to an external application ProfileManager 1.0_beta1 with a link http://jagriffin.wordpress.com/2011/01/11/profilemanager-1-0_beta1/ to the blog of that applicaton's developer. I'm not sure ProfileManager 1.0 (final, not beta) is really the answer to this issue; a Profile Manager integrated within SeaMonkey would be better if the current multi-profiles are to remain a basic capability. Lacking any prior assurances that multiple profiles would continue to be supported in SeaMonkey, I resent Kaiser's characterization of my comments as creating FUD. Bug #214675 created FUD in me; and bug #539524 did nothing to alleviate my concerns. The least Kaiser could have done was put a comment in bug #540194 sometime in the year since I submitted that RFE bug report. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Multiple Seamonkey and Firefox Profiles: Everything but the Kitchen Sync
Snip David E. Ross wrote: Lacking any prior assurances that multiple profiles would continue to be supported in SeaMonkey, I resent Kaiser's characterization of my comments as creating FUD. Bug #214675 created FUD in me; and bug #539524 did nothing to alleviate my concerns. The least Kaiser could have done was put a comment in bug #540194 sometime in the year since I submitted that RFE bug report. Nasty Words, you'r sounding like a very angry man. I want it all and I want it all my way ...now, you take things too personally. Keep in mind Seamonkey is developed and maintained by a team of volunteers, so you don't have to pay a dime for this fine program. Please try to be polite and keep your temper. It's Robert Kaiser, not Kaiser, that does not sounds nice. Keep in mind, Robert Kaiser has done a lot for Seamonkey as a projectmanager and you never, I repeat, you never have to pay him a dollar for that. Regards, Zanqeutil ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Update to 2.0.12 outgoing mail problem
I booted up my Toshiba L500 laptop this morning to SeaMonkey which promptly updated itself to version 2.0.12. I can no longer send out mails. The error message I get every time is that the ISP mail server (Verizon) has timed out, so I called my ISP, Verizon. I spent nearly an hour on the telephone with technical support who went through all the obvious configurations and found nothing obviously wrong. Not to leave me stranded, they had me open and configure an older version of MS Outlook that is on my system that I have never used just to find out if the problem would be repeated there, but instead we proved that the malfunction was not at the ISP server end, but due to some malfunction in the updated SeaMonkey. I have already uninstalled and reinstalled SeaMonkey 2.0.12 several times to no avail. Meanwhile, my desktop PC - mwhich updated SeaMonkey a day or two ago - has experience no such problem and appears to otherwise be functioning normally. Has anyone else experience an outgoing mail problem like this? I have never had such a problem before, and have no idea how to fix it. Any clues? Thanks. Marisa ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Update to 2.0.12 outgoing mail problem
I forgot to mention that both of my computers have Windows XP installed - the laptop is the Home edition, whereas the desktop is the Pro edition. Marisa Ciceran wrote: I booted up my Toshiba L500 laptop this morning to SeaMonkey which promptly updated itself to version 2.0.12. I can no longer send out mails. The error message I get every time is that the ISP mail server (Verizon) has timed out, so I called my ISP, Verizon. I spent nearly an hour on the telephone with technical support who went through all the obvious configurations and found nothing obviously wrong. Not to leave me stranded, they had me open and configure an older version of MS Outlook that is on my system that I have never used just to find out if the problem would be repeated there, but instead we proved that the malfunction was not at the ISP server end, but due to some malfunction in the updated SeaMonkey. I have already uninstalled and reinstalled SeaMonkey 2.0.12 several times to no avail. Meanwhile, my desktop PC - mwhich updated SeaMonkey a day or two ago - has experience no such problem and appears to otherwise be functioning normally. Has anyone else experience an outgoing mail problem like this? I have never had such a problem before, and have no idea how to fix it. Any clues? Thanks. Marisa ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Update to 2.0.12 outgoing mail problem
Marisa Ciceran wrote: I forgot to mention that both of my computers have Windows XP installed - the laptop is the Home edition, whereas the desktop is the Pro edition. Marisa Ciceran wrote: I booted up my Toshiba L500 laptop this morning to SeaMonkey which promptly updated itself to version 2.0.12. I can no longer send out mails. The error message I get every time is that the ISP mail server (Verizon) has timed out, so I called my ISP, Verizon. I spent nearly an hour on the telephone with technical support who went through all the obvious configurations and found nothing obviously wrong. Not to leave me stranded, they had me open and configure an older version of MS Outlook that is on my system that I have never used just to find out if the problem would be repeated there, but instead we proved that the malfunction was not at the ISP server end, but due to some malfunction in the updated SeaMonkey. I have already uninstalled and reinstalled SeaMonkey 2.0.12 several times to no avail. Meanwhile, my desktop PC - mwhich updated SeaMonkey a day or two ago - has experience no such problem and appears to otherwise be functioning normally. Has anyone else experience an outgoing mail problem like this? I have never had such a problem before, and have no idea how to fix it. Any clues? Thanks. Marisa Check your Outgoing Server Settings Edit Mail Newsgroups Look at the bottom in the left panel. Then click Edit in the right panel. Some how 2.0.12 changed my settings so I had the same problem. You may need to check with your provider for the correct settings. (Some use secure, some don't) Also check with them for the correct Outgoing server name. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Update to 2.0.12 outgoing mail problem
Marisa Ciceran wrote:
I booted up my Toshiba L500 laptop this morning to SeaMonkey which
promptly updated itself to version 2.0.12. I can no longer send out mails.
The error message I get every time is that the ISP mail server (Verizon)
has timed out, so I called my ISP, Verizon. I spent nearly an hour on
the telephone with technical support who went through all the obvious
configurations and found nothing obviously wrong. Not to leave me
stranded, they had me open and configure an older version of MS Outlook
that is on my system that I have never used just to find out if the
problem would be repeated there, but instead we proved that the
malfunction was not at the ISP server end, but due to some malfunction
in the updated SeaMonkey.
I have already uninstalled and reinstalled SeaMonkey 2.0.12 several
times to no avail. Meanwhile, my desktop PC - mwhich updated SeaMonkey a
day or two ago - has experience no such problem and appears to otherwise
be functioning normally.
Has anyone else experience an outgoing mail problem like this? I have
never had such a problem before, and have no idea how to fix it. Any clues?
Thanks.
Marisa
Yes, I have had such a problem when upgrading a version of SM.
It sounds like the SMTP server settings did not transfer during the upgrade.
Place your laptop next to your PC screen so you can compare settings.
On both the P{C and Laptop open SM mail and click on Edit/Mail and
newsgroups settings. This will open a column on the left showing all
your mail accounts and their respective group preferences.
Single click on one of your account names and near the bottom of the
dialog box you should see Outgoing Server (SMTP). This should be set
to Use Default Server
This is where you compare the settings between the laptop and PC.
Look all the way to the bottom of the Account Settings window and you
should see Outgoing Server (SMTP), click once on this to open the SMTP
settings.
On your laptop and PC you may have several account settings, the one in
your PC has the correct settings, so make the same settings on the
laptop and make sure you set this as the Default for outgoing mail.
Do not make any changes or modifications to the PC, when you close it
down use Cancel On the laptop click OK and restart SM to test your
outgoing mail.
If you have more than one mail account you can send yourself a test
message to test the sending and receiving part, however you may not be
able to send the message on the same account as your ISP may block those
message as SPAM.
Michael
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SeaMonkey 2.1 and Bookmarks
I have two questions about bookmarks under SeaMonkey 2.1. First, I have set my preferences to display my bookmarks as my home page. With SeaMonkey 2.0.x and earlier, this was easy. I merely dragged and dropped the file bookmarks.html from my profile into my browser window. Then I went to [Edit Preferences] and selected the Use Current Page button on the Browser pane of the Preferences window. How can I do this with SeaMonkey 2.1? Second, I have the PrefBar extension installed. I created a custom button that opens the Bookmark Manager for editing bookmarks. Clicking that button runs toBookmarksManager(); How should I change that for SeaMonkey 2.1? -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Update to 2.0.12 outgoing mail problem
Marisa Ciceran wrote: I forgot to mention that both of my computers have Windows XP installed - the laptop is the Home edition, whereas the desktop is the Pro edition. Marisa Ciceran wrote: I booted up my Toshiba L500 laptop this morning to SeaMonkey which promptly updated itself to version 2.0.12. I can no longer send out mails. The error message I get every time is that the ISP mail server (Verizon) has timed out, so I called my ISP, Verizon. I spent nearly an hour on the telephone with technical support who went through all the obvious configurations and found nothing obviously wrong. Not to leave me stranded, they had me open and configure an older version of MS Outlook that is on my system that I have never used just to find out if the problem would be repeated there, but instead we proved that the malfunction was not at the ISP server end, but due to some malfunction in the updated SeaMonkey. I have already uninstalled and reinstalled SeaMonkey 2.0.12 several times to no avail. Meanwhile, my desktop PC - which updated SeaMonkey a day or two ago - has experience no such problem and appears to otherwise be functioning normally. Has anyone else experience an outgoing mail problem like this? I have never had such a problem before, and have no idea how to fix it. Any clues? FWIW, I have SM 2.0.12 and WinXP SP3 as well, and this is not a problem -- this combination is perfectly capable of sending and receiving mail through a Verizon connection. However, in the past when I've visited friends and relatives with Verizon FiOS, I had trouble sending mail until I discovered that they block port 25 as an antispam measure. Initially I didn't know that, so I pretended to be a Verizon customer (using his username and password for authentication), but when I discovered what was really going on, I simply set my SMTP server to use port 587 and the problem went away. See for example: http://forums.verizon.com/t5/High-Speed-Internet-DSL-and-Dial/Port-25-587-and-third-party-email-account/td-p/110835 http://www22.verizon.com/residentialhelp/highspeed/general+support/top+questions/questionsone/124274.htm More if you google verizon smtp port 25 587 HTH -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Anyone see text overlap here?
When I view this site: http://net.bible.org/#!bible/Matthew+1:4 ... using SM 2.0.12 in Linux I see text overlap at the top, center to right, and on the bottom left. Anyone else seeing this? Any idea why and what may be the solution? I do not see it using Midori. -- Thanks! 73, KD4E David Colburn http://kd4e.com SE-GA Tailgate - April 9th, 2011 Have an http://ultrafidian.com day I don't google I SEARCH! http://ixquick.com Shop Freedom-Friendly http://kd4e.com/of.html ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.1 and Bookmarks
David E. Ross schrieb:
I have two questions about bookmarks under SeaMonkey 2.1.
First, I have set my preferences to display my bookmarks as my home
page. With SeaMonkey 2.0.x and earlier, this was easy. I merely
dragged and dropped the file bookmarks.html from my profile into my
browser window. Then I went to [Edit Preferences] and selected the
Use Current Page button on the Browser pane of the Preferences window.
How can I do this with SeaMonkey 2.1?
chrome://communicator/content/bookmarks/bm-panel.xul should work as a
home page, I think, and show all your bookmarks.
Second, I have the PrefBar extension installed. I created a custom
button that opens the Bookmark Manager for editing bookmarks. Clicking
that button runs
toBookmarksManager();
How should I change that for SeaMonkey 2.1?
PlacesCommandHook.showBookmarksManager('AllBookmarks');
Robert Kaiser
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1 and Bookmarks
On 3/6/11 6:38 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
David E. Ross schrieb:
I have two questions about bookmarks under SeaMonkey 2.1.
First, I have set my preferences to display my bookmarks as my home
page. With SeaMonkey 2.0.x and earlier, this was easy. I merely
dragged and dropped the file bookmarks.html from my profile into my
browser window. Then I went to [Edit Preferences] and selected the
Use Current Page button on the Browser pane of the Preferences window.
How can I do this with SeaMonkey 2.1?
chrome://communicator/content/bookmarks/bm-panel.xul should work as a
home page, I think, and show all your bookmarks.
Second, I have the PrefBar extension installed. I created a custom
button that opens the Bookmark Manager for editing bookmarks. Clicking
that button runs
toBookmarksManager();
How should I change that for SeaMonkey 2.1?
PlacesCommandHook.showBookmarksManager('AllBookmarks');
Robert Kaiser
Thanks. I'm accumulating information on how to have the capabilities in
SM 2.1 that I cherish today in SM 2.0.
I will likely download and install SM 2.1 when it reaches the release
candidate stage or possibly one of the last betas.
--
David E. Ross
http://www.rossde.com/
On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages
posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent
because of spam from that source.
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Re: Anyone see text overlap here?
On 3/6/11 5:33 PM, d...@kd4e.com wrote: When I view this site: http://net.bible.org/#!bible/Matthew+1:4 ... using SM 2.0.12 in Linux I see text overlap at the top, center to right, and on the bottom left. Anyone else seeing this? Any idea why and what may be the solution? I do not see it using Midori. 42 XHTML errors and 204 CSS errors. I would not expect a page to render appropriately with so many problems. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Anyone see text overlap here?
In addition to spotting the errors, you are also seeing the text overlap? So it is not a local problem with my computer? Why does Midori render it fine and Seamonkey has trouble? Does Midori ignore coding flaws somehow? David E. Ross wrote: On 3/6/11 5:33 PM, d...@kd4e.com wrote: When I view this site: http://net.bible.org/#!bible/Matthew+1:4 ... using SM 2.0.12 in Linux I see text overlap at the top, center to right, and on the bottom left. Anyone else seeing this? Any idea why and what may be the solution? I do not see it using Midori. 42 XHTML errors and 204 CSS errors. I would not expect a page to render appropriately with so many problems. -- Thanks! 73, KD4E David Colburn http://kd4e.com SE-GA Tailgate - April 9th, 2011 Have an http://ultrafidian.com day I don't google I SEARCH! http://ixquick.com Shop Freedom-Friendly http://kd4e.com/of.html ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.1 and Bookmarks
On 3/6/2011 9:45 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
On 3/6/11 6:38 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
David E. Ross schrieb:
I have two questions about bookmarks under SeaMonkey 2.1.
First, I have set my preferences to display my bookmarks as my home
page. With SeaMonkey 2.0.x and earlier, this was easy. I merely
dragged and dropped the file bookmarks.html from my profile into my
browser window. Then I went to [Edit Preferences] and selected the
Use Current Page button on the Browser pane of the Preferences window.
How can I do this with SeaMonkey 2.1?
chrome://communicator/content/bookmarks/bm-panel.xul should work as a
home page, I think, and show all your bookmarks.
Second, I have the PrefBar extension installed. I created a custom
button that opens the Bookmark Manager for editing bookmarks. Clicking
that button runs
toBookmarksManager();
How should I change that for SeaMonkey 2.1?
PlacesCommandHook.showBookmarksManager('AllBookmarks');
Robert Kaiser
Thanks. I'm accumulating information on how to have the capabilities in
SM 2.1 that I cherish today in SM 2.0.
I will likely download and install SM 2.1 when it reaches the release
candidate stage or possibly one of the last betas.
2.1b3 will be our last beta, before our release candidate.
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Re: Anyone see text overlap here?
On 3/6/11 7:15 PM, d...@kd4e.com wrote: In addition to spotting the errors, you are also seeing the text overlap? So it is not a local problem with my computer? Why does Midori render it fine and Seamonkey has trouble? Does Midori ignore coding flaws somehow? David E. Ross wrote: On 3/6/11 5:33 PM, d...@kd4e.com wrote: When I view this site: http://net.bible.org/#!bible/Matthew+1:4 ... using SM 2.0.12 in Linux I see text overlap at the top, center to right, and on the bottom left. Anyone else seeing this? Any idea why and what may be the solution? I do not see it using Midori. 42 XHTML errors and 204 CSS errors. I would not expect a page to render appropriately with so many problems. Please enter your responses at the end of the message to which you are replying (bottom posting). This really does not bother me, but others get very feisty about it. Yes, I saw overlaps. This is generally caused by frames or div boxes that are not properly constructed. Sometimes it results instead from someone creating a Web page for a very specific window size and monitor resolution instead of making the page adaptable to varying sizes and resolutions. In any case, the page is quite amateurish. Most browsers take HTML/XHTML errors and guess what was really meant. Those guesses are programmed into the browsers by the human programmers. Each browser has different programmers, and each programmer guesses differently. On top of that, CSS errors cause the affected portion of the CSS to be ignored. CSS controls much of the formatting of a Web page. Ignoring an important part of CSS because of errors can cause strange formatting. You will find that very few of those who participate in newsgroups will bother diagnosing problems in Web pages with HTML/XHTML and CSS errors. This is true not only in the various Mozilla newsgroups but also in the comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html and comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets newsgroups on general news servers. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Anyone see text overlap here?
David E. Ross wrote: On 3/6/11 5:33 PM, d...@kd4e.com wrote: When I view this site: http://net.bible.org/#!bible/Matthew+1:4 ... using SM 2.0.12 in Linux I see text overlap at the top, center to right, and on the bottom left. Anyone else seeing this? Any idea why and what may be the solution? I do not see it using Midori. 42 XHTML errors and 204 CSS errors. I would not expect a page to render appropriately with so many problems. Still, it displays fine here, unless I increase the font size (CTRL-+) four times, and even then it's only the footer that has trouble. The two main content panes are fine. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Update to 2.0.12 outgoing mail problem
On Sun, 06 Mar 2011 16:41:46 -0500, Marisa Ciceran wrote: I booted up my Toshiba L500 laptop this morning to SeaMonkey which promptly updated itself to version 2.0.12. I can no longer send out mails. The error message I get every time is that the ISP mail server (Verizon) has timed out, so I called my ISP, Verizon. I spent nearly an hour on the telephone with technical support who went through all the obvious configurations and found nothing obviously wrong. Not to leave me stranded, they had me open and configure an older version of MS Outlook that is on my system that I have never used just to find out if the problem would be repeated there, but instead we proved that the malfunction was not at the ISP server end, but due to some malfunction in the updated SeaMonkey. I have already uninstalled and reinstalled SeaMonkey 2.0.12 several times to no avail. Meanwhile, my desktop PC - mwhich updated SeaMonkey a day or two ago - has experience no such problem and appears to otherwise be functioning normally. Has anyone else experience an outgoing mail problem like this? I have never had such a problem before, and have no idea how to fix it. Any clues? Normally this is a firewall problem. You need to tell your firewall that this new version of SeaMonkey is allowed to send mail out. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
