Re: Sorry for asking this here but ...

[chimak111]

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 11-11-29 1:23 PM, Nemo wrote:

If someone can point me to a FAQ on how to setup SeaMonkey or a better
newsreader, I'd be grateful. I'm on Linux (Ubuntu 11.10) in case that
makes a difference.


http://ilias.ca/moznewsgroups-sm


Thank You! The instructions were perfect.
And thanks to everyone else as well :)
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Re: Compatiblilty Reporter makes Lightning calendar incompatible

[flyguy]

On 11/29/2011 6:33 PM, JAS wrote:

flyguy wrote:

On 11/29/2011 12:58 PM, JAS wrote:

flyguy wrote:

I'm using SM 2.4.1 on an XP computer.

I installed the Addon Compatibility Reporter; after that, my Lightning
Calendar extension ceased to function, and it was reported at "not
compatible". I was using 1.0b7; it appears 1.0 was installed. A

What happened, and how do I recover? I can install 1.0b7 again, but
how about all my calendar entries?

I have backed up the folder labeled "calender-data". Can I install
Lightning 1.0b7 and replace the calendar-data file with the backed up
version?

Apparently, I completely misunderstand the function and purpose of the
Compatibility Reporter, as it did a lot more than "report". Just what
is it supposed to do?

Have you tried shutting down and restarting ? My SM 2.5 works fine with
the Lightning 1.0


Yes, but the calendar still came up blank; i.e, the calendar seems to
be there, but there are no events in it. The Compatibility Reporter
said it wasn't compatible, and listed version 1.0 as the installed item.

Did Lightning 1.0 work when you were using 2.4.1?


I was using 1.0b7 in SM 2.4.1. When I first viewed the calendar after
updating and it was changed to 1.0 the calendar was blank  and on the
left side it showed my different installed .ics files. I downloaded the
lightning 1.0 xpi file and installed it again and all was well.
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/lightning/download.html


I had a similar experience returning to Lightning 1.0b7. It took at 
least two install/restarts for it to begin functioning again. 
Fortunately, I was able to use the local.sqlite file from a recent 
backup to restore all my events, except for the last couple weeks.


When I update to 2.5 in a few days, I'll also update to 1.0., but I'll 
definitely do a profile backup just before I do either!


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Re: Suggestions on moving from 2.0.14 to 2.5

[WLS]

On 11/29/2011 06:05 PM, Jens Hatlak wrote:
> Ray Davison wrote:
>> [Stand-alone profile manager]
>> So, just what are they trying to "fix"?
> 
> Startup performance. This is key to the FF guys (who are the driving
> force behind this) since Chrome started pulling away.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Jens
> 
> P.S.: Personally I couldn't care less. If you want faster startup, buy
> an SSD or stop restarting your browser/OS. Hibernation is your friend.
> 


Well, I guess I'm not getting faster startup using the stand alone
profile manager.

Step 1 - Open the profile manager.
Step 2 - Decide which version of Firefox I want to open, Beta or Aurora.
Step 3 - Click the Start Firefox button.

But I love the features. Have separate profile managers configured for
Firefox, SeaMonkey and Thunderbird. Do a backup after every change.

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Re: Compatiblilty Reporter makes Lightning calendar incompatible

[JAS]

flyguy wrote:
> On 11/29/2011 12:58 PM, JAS wrote:
>> flyguy wrote:
>>> I'm using SM 2.4.1 on an XP computer.
>>>
>>> I installed the Addon Compatibility Reporter; after that, my Lightning
>>> Calendar extension ceased to function, and it was reported at "not
>>> compatible". I was using 1.0b7; it appears 1.0 was installed. A
>>>
>>> What happened, and how do I recover? I can install 1.0b7 again, but
>>> how about all my calendar entries?
>>>
>>> I have backed up the folder labeled "calender-data". Can I install
>>> Lightning 1.0b7 and replace the calendar-data file with the backed up
>>> version?
>>>
>>> Apparently, I completely misunderstand the function and purpose of the
>>> Compatibility Reporter, as it did a lot more than "report". Just what
>>> is it supposed to do?
>> Have you tried shutting down and restarting ? My SM 2.5 works fine with
>> the Lightning 1.0
>
> Yes, but the calendar still came up blank; i.e, the calendar seems to
> be there, but there are no events in it. The Compatibility Reporter
> said it wasn't compatible, and listed version 1.0 as the installed item.
>
> Did Lightning 1.0 work when you were using 2.4.1?
>
I was using 1.0b7 in SM 2.4.1. When I first viewed the calendar after
updating and it was changed to 1.0 the calendar was blank  and on the
left side it showed my different installed .ics files. I downloaded the
lightning 1.0 xpi file and installed it again and all was well.
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/lightning/download.html

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Re: Update to 2.5 Query

[M]

M wrote:

Just upgraded to SM 2.5 and noticed in mail and newsgroups there are pink and 
blue arrows next to some of the posts.

Curious as to what they represent.

TIA,

M



Worked it out and noticed it had already been answered above.

M
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Update to 2.5 Query

[M]

Just upgraded to SM 2.5 and noticed in mail and newsgroups there are pink and 
blue arrows next to some of the posts.

Curious as to what they represent.

TIA,

M
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Re: Suggestions on moving from 2.0.14 to 2.5

[NoOp]

On 11/29/2011 03:59 PM, MCBastos wrote:
> Interviewed by CNN on 29/11/2011 21:05, Jens Hatlak told the world:
> 
>> P.S.: Personally I couldn't care less. If you want faster startup, buy 
>> an SSD or stop restarting your browser/OS. Hibernation is your friend.
> 
> I agree with you. The sad thing, though, is for the average joe shmoe
> the perceived "speed" in opening the first page seems more important
> than actual speed. It's like saying, "wow, that car is fast! Just 0.3
> seconds from unlocking the door to putting the engine in gear!"

That should be turned into a sig quote :-)


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Re: Suggestions on moving from 2.0.14 to 2.5

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 29/11/2011 21:05, Jens Hatlak told the world:

> P.S.: Personally I couldn't care less. If you want faster startup, buy 
> an SSD or stop restarting your browser/OS. Hibernation is your friend.

I agree with you. The sad thing, though, is for the average joe shmoe
the perceived "speed" in opening the first page seems more important
than actual speed. It's like saying, "wow, that car is fast! Just 0.3
seconds from unlocking the door to putting the engine in gear!"

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Re: Compatiblilty Reporter makes Lightning calendar incompatible

[Jens Hatlak]

flyguy wrote:

I'm using SM 2.4.1 on an XP computer.

I installed the Addon Compatibility Reporter; after that, my Lightning
Calendar extension ceased to function, and it was reported at "not
compatible". I was using 1.0b7; it appears 1.0 was installed.


The ACR extension disables all add-on compatibility checks. This also 
means that it'll offer to install versions that are known to not be 
compatible, like Lightning or Enigmail, which contain binary components 
where each add-on version only works with a certain application version 
(e.g. Lightning 1.0 only works with SM 2.5).



What happened, and how do I recover? I can install 1.0b7 again, but how
about all my calendar entries?


I don't know what will happen if you downgrade Lightning, so I recommend 
to upgrade SM instead (2.5 is stable and works with Lightning 1.0 which 
you already have installed so no need to downgrade anything).



Apparently, I completely misunderstand the function and purpose of the
Compatibility Reporter, as it did a lot more than "report". Just what is
it supposed to do?


It's supposed to support alpha/beta testers with investigating whether 
reportedly incompatible add-ons are actually still compatible with newer 
application versions.


Mozilla knows about its shortcomings and is working on making add-ons 
compatible by default (automatically excluding add-ons with binary 
components like Lightning, and allowing add-on authors to selectively 
enable strict compatibility checking). AFAIK this is scheduled to land 
in time for SM 2.7 or 2.8 the latest (it's already enabled in nightly 
builds).


HTH

Jens

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Re: Restore Address Book

[Jens Hatlak]

JohnW-Mpls wrote:

Thank you, took me a while to recognize the prefs.js file (related
to about:config?)


Everything in prefs.js is visible in about:config, but may be overridden
by user.js (if present).


could I replace the the whole profile less the Mail directory and
files, and have everything work?


Maybe, maybe not. Some of the other files might need matching prefs.js 
entries, too. E.g. this was the case with passwords in former times; 
don't know about the current situation.



Or, not unlike my address book situation, do mail entries in prefs.js
need to reflect the attached mail files?


Not the actual messages and folders but the account information is 
stored in prefs.js. The details would take too long to explain; you'd 
have to consult the MozillaZine Knowledge Base or similar.


HTH

Jens

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Re: Suggestions on moving from 2.0.14 to 2.5

[Jens Hatlak]

Ray Davison wrote:

[Stand-alone profile manager]
So, just what are they trying to "fix"?


Startup performance. This is key to the FF guys (who are the driving 
force behind this) since Chrome started pulling away.


HTH

Jens

P.S.: Personally I couldn't care less. If you want faster startup, buy 
an SSD or stop restarting your browser/OS. Hibernation is your friend.


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Re: New ISP ACCOUNT - Drag & Dropping of Old Files Works !

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Re: Restore Address Book

[JohnW-Mpls]

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 02:01:57 +0100, Jens Hatlak  wrote:

>JohnW-Mpls wrote:
>> I'm running SM 2.3.3 under XP and apparently deleted a list in one of the
>> address books.  Not too difficult to recreate but more reliable to restore
>> from a week old copy of my profile.
>
>So you have a backup, fine. :-)
>
>> So, I copied from the old profile to the current profile, the four files
>> that look they would do the trick (ABOOK.MAB, abook-1.mab, abook-2.mab,&
>> abook-3.mab).  No luck, the missing list was not recovered.
>
>You found the right files but I think you forgot at least one mandatory 
>extra step.
>
>> Anyway: what does it take to restore my address books?
>
>Each address book needs some matching prefs in order to be connected to 
>SeaMonkey's Address Book component. Their names all start with 
>"ldap_2.servers.". You need at least 
>"ldap_2.servers..filename" with a value equal to the address 
>book filename (e.g. abook-1.mab). Maybe more, haven't checked, but I'd 
>assume you also need the ones ending with ".description" and ".dirType". 
>Just compare your current prefs.js to the one from your backup.
>
>HTH
>
>Jens

Thank you, took me a while to recognize the prefs.js file (related to
about:config?) but good to know about it.  However, on this occasion, I
believe I was missing only one simple list and it was easier to recreate it
than do all the copying necessary to recover.

I was thinking it would be much easier to replace the whole profile but I
would not like to lose the mail traffic since the backup. I'm lazy:- could I
replace the the whole profile less the Mail directory and files, and have
everything work?  Or, not unlike my address book situation, do mail entries
in prefs.js need to reflect the attached mail files? 


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Re: Suggestions on moving from 2.0.14 to 2.5

[Ray Davison]

WLS wrote:


The stand alone profile manager is an excellent tool for managing
profiles that way.


I looked at this;
https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Profile_Manager
And also this:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=214675

And it all looks like a solution looking for a problem.  My data files 
began life in Netscape and I have brought them along thru various 
versions of Mozilla suite, SM, FF and TB.  And I use all the same data 
files on OS/2 and Win.  I have looked at a few versions of FF and TB but 
never made any serious use of them.  Once when SM was causing me 
problems I setup TB so that clicked links would run FF, but SM now works 
so I haven't used TB/FF lately.


For me the built-in profile manager works fine.  When trying to find the 
insertion date/time of some anomaly I have had as many as twenty 
versions of SM on the HDD and maybe a half dozen profiles.  On every SM, 
TB, and FF shortcut I call profile manager.  And it is available from 
the pull down while the app is running.  And I have never "lost" data or 
profiles.  But then I have always put them where I wanted, not the 
default locations.


So, just what are they trying to "fix"?

Ray


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Re: Compatiblilty Reporter makes Lightning calendar incompatible

[flyguy]

On 11/29/2011 1:14 PM, flyguy wrote:

On 11/29/2011 12:58 PM, JAS wrote:

flyguy wrote:

I'm using SM 2.4.1 on an XP computer.

I installed the Addon Compatibility Reporter; after that, my Lightning
Calendar extension ceased to function, and it was reported at "not
compatible". I was using 1.0b7; it appears 1.0 was installed. A

What happened, and how do I recover? I can install 1.0b7 again, but
how about all my calendar entries?

I have backed up the folder labeled "calender-data". Can I install
Lightning 1.0b7 and replace the calendar-data file with the backed up
version?

Apparently, I completely misunderstand the function and purpose of the
Compatibility Reporter, as it did a lot more than "report". Just what
is it supposed to do?

Have you tried shutting down and restarting ? My SM 2.5 works fine with
the Lightning 1.0


Yes, but the calendar still came up blank; i.e, the calendar seems to be
there, but there are no events in it. The Compatibility Reporter said it
wasn't compatible, and listed version 1.0 as the installed item.

Did Lightning 1.0 work when you were using 2.4.1?


To expand on what shows when I look at the calendar in a tab on the 
email window:


Left sidebar:

1) a mini-calendar at the top, from which I can select day, month, and year
2) a list of my calendars, including the colors and names (so, it hasn't 
lost that information). The location given for every calendar is 
"moz-storage-calendar://"


The calendar grid on the right, but every square is blank: no days, no 
events.

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Re: Compatiblilty Reporter makes Lightning calendar incompatible

[flyguy]

On 11/29/2011 12:58 PM, JAS wrote:

flyguy wrote:

I'm using SM 2.4.1 on an XP computer.

I installed the Addon Compatibility Reporter; after that, my Lightning
Calendar extension ceased to function, and it was reported at "not
compatible". I was using 1.0b7; it appears 1.0 was installed. A

What happened, and how do I recover? I can install 1.0b7 again, but
how about all my calendar entries?

I have backed up the folder labeled "calender-data". Can I install
Lightning 1.0b7 and replace the calendar-data file with the backed up
version?

Apparently, I completely misunderstand the function and purpose of the
Compatibility Reporter, as it did a lot more than "report". Just what
is it supposed to do?

Have you tried shutting down and restarting ? My SM 2.5 works fine with
the Lightning 1.0


Yes, but the calendar still came up blank; i.e, the calendar seems to be 
there, but there are no events in it. The Compatibility Reporter said it 
wasn't compatible, and listed version 1.0 as the installed item.


Did Lightning 1.0 work when you were using 2.4.1?

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Re: Compatiblilty Reporter makes Lightning calendar incompatible

[JAS]

flyguy wrote:
> I'm using SM 2.4.1 on an XP computer.
>
> I installed the Addon Compatibility Reporter; after that, my Lightning
> Calendar extension ceased to function, and it was reported at "not
> compatible". I was using 1.0b7; it appears 1.0 was installed. A
>
> What happened, and how do I recover? I can install 1.0b7 again, but
> how about all my calendar entries?
>
> I have backed up the folder labeled "calender-data". Can I install
> Lightning 1.0b7 and replace the calendar-data file with the backed up
> version?
>
> Apparently, I completely misunderstand the function and purpose of the
> Compatibility Reporter, as it did a lot more than "report". Just what
> is it supposed to do?
Have you tried shutting down and restarting ? My SM 2.5 works fine with
the Lightning 1.0

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Re: Sorry for asking this here but ...

[Chris Ilias]

On 11-11-29 1:23 PM, Nemo wrote:

If someone can point me to a FAQ on how to setup SeaMonkey or a better
newsreader, I'd be grateful. I'm on Linux (Ubuntu 11.10) in case that
makes a difference.


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Compatiblilty Reporter makes Lightning calendar incompatible

[flyguy]

I'm using SM 2.4.1 on an XP computer.

I installed the Addon Compatibility Reporter; after that, my Lightning 
Calendar extension ceased to function, and it was reported at "not 
compatible". I was using 1.0b7; it appears 1.0 was installed. A


What happened, and how do I recover? I can install 1.0b7 again, but how 
about all my calendar entries?


I have backed up the folder labeled "calender-data". Can I install 
Lightning 1.0b7 and replace the calendar-data file with the backed up 
version?


Apparently, I completely misunderstand the function and purpose of the 
Compatibility Reporter, as it did a lot more than "report". Just what is 
it supposed to do?

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Re: How big an issue and are there upcoming fixes?

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Since you wrote "both of you", I'll assume you are replying to both mine
and WLS's responses.

hawker wrote:

hmm. I wonder what it is then.
I have SM on three computers all three look wrong to me.
Yes I have Advertise SM enabled.


Surely you meant "Advertise Firefox..."   :-)


I highly tweak fonts and screen sizes on my machines. It could be
related to that. I have noticed that whatever Windows does to 1920 x
1200 screen sizes to make them work often breaks things that smaller
screen resolutions do not.


Ah. Tweaking fonts and sizes. Of course this could affect anything you 
view on the computer, not just web pages in one browser.



Or are both of you using non Windows clients and this is simply a
Windows issue?


Both I and WLS are using a Linux operating system. However, that has 
nothing to do with your taurausbass site and how it appears. I think you 
need to provide a screenshot of how you see it in SeaMonkey.



Most of the issues I have are with HTML coded e-mails that look fine
in the web client in IE but not Seamonkey.


Hmm?  That's a completely different issue. First, every webmail 
interpreter is different from the next one, as different as the product 
that *composed* it, and as different from your local client as well. 
Apples/oranges/persimmons.



As for the "The web site was not properly written" argument. I find
this a poor argument.


It is a very good argument. First, I said most of the problems posted 
here have to do with browser sniffing. That's ignorance on the author's 
part. Second, a single page can "look" different in two or more of your 
browsers because you've "tweaked" the default settings on one of them. 
Third, if an author writes valid code, the browser is bound to display 
it correctly, but if he makes an error, all browsers *are free* to 
interpret the error however they see fit.


Car analogy. You buy a new car, and it comes to you with two pistons 
missing, no passenger seat, just one windshield wiper, and the left rear 
brake won't activate when you step on the middle pedal. However, that's 
okay, because it is up to you to drive it without any incident. It's 
okay that there's no inspection at the factory assembly line.



They may be poorly written, but that is a fact of life of the web and
the browsers job is to do the best it can do deal with that. If
another browser can properly render a poorly written website, but SM
cannot then I see this as a SM problem, not the website.


Again, look into your tweaks that differ among your browsers, and 
provide a screenshot of that taurusbass page with the "buttons." You 
need to realize that web authors have a responsibility, too.


How do you see this page?


If web authors even *knew* about validation, the web would be a much 
cleaner place.

http://validator.w3.org/

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Re: How big an issue and are there upcoming fixes?

[David E. Ross]

On 11/29/11 7:04 AM, WLS wrote:
> On 11/29/2011 09:51 AM, hawker wrote:
>> On 11/29/2011 9:23 AM, WLS wrote:
>>> On 11/29/2011 09:13 AM, hawker wrote:
 Reading along there appears to be a change in the SM 2.5 rendering
 engine that makes a small number of sites unreadable.  I trying to grasp
 how big this issue is (IE how likely am I to run across this), and is
 there some known small issue causing this with a 2.5.1 patch coming up?

 I have already found a decent number of sites that work fine in FireFox
 3.x or IE8 but not Seamonkey 2.x and I deal with it by occasionally
 using, gasp, IE but this sounds like it might be bigger than that so I'm
 wondering if I should hold off a few weeks again?

 Hawker

>>>
>>>
>>> Links to those site could be helpful. I've never had a problem with
>>> SeaMonkey 2.x versions.
>>>
>>> I'd be happy to test them in SeaMonkey 2.6b1.
>>>
>>
>> As to the Seamonkey 2.5 issues, I got this from reading here and folks
>> listing a few sites here and there, especially it seems, some routers.
>>
>> So I have not tested these in recent FF versions. But a while ago these
>> two sites worked fine in FF and IE8 but not IE7 or Seamonkey.
>>
>> http://www.taurusbass.com/
>> Note the two buttons on top of each other (in/register and visitors)
>> It looks fine in FF and IE
>>
>> I just checked the other I knew of that did not work in an earlier
>> version of 2.x and it seems to work fine now so I don't know if it is SM
>> or they updated the website. At the time it didn't work in IE 7.x either.
>>
> 
> 
> Do you have Preferences > Advanced > HTTP Networking > Advertise Firefox
> compatability checked?
> 
> The site looks fine in my SeaMonkey with that preference checked.

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0.1) Gecko/2021 SeaMonkey/2.5

It looks fine in my SeaMonkey 2.5 WITHOUT that preference checked.  Try
viewing the site in Safe Mode to see if an extension or theme might be
causing your problem.

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Re: automatically redirecting

[Jens Hatlak]

Rick Merrill wrote:

SM 2.5
"prevented this page from automatically redirecting to another page"

I still cannot find an Edit | Preferences way to tell SM 2.5 to
always "ALLOW" this redirect.


Edit/Preferences/Appearance/Content: "Warn me when web sites try to 
redirect or reload the page". This is not selected by default, so 
chances are you set it yourself.


HTH

Jens

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Re: SM 2.5 kills needed Extensions

[Jens Hatlak]

Frosted Flake wrote:

Installed SeaMonkey 2.5 and it disabled:

> (...)

As suggested by MCBastos, you first need to override the compatibility 
in general, but these two might need special attention:



- FireBug


If the version you have installed doesn't work anymore, try the latest 
1.8.x or 1.9.x from http://getfirebug.com/releases/firebug/.



- HTML Validator


Like Lightning and Enigmail, this add-on contains binary components. 
Thus you need to install a new version whenever you update SM (for major 
version changes like 2.4->2.5) or it will break. In case of SM 2.5, the 
matching FF/Gecko version is 8 so you need to install HTML Validator 
version 0.912 from http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/download_090.html.


HTH

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Re: Scrapbook

[W3BNR]

On 11/29/2011 11:25 AM Not@home submitted the following:
> For traveling, I like to keep copies of web sites (such as restaurants, 
> museums,
> etc.) that are accessible when I do not have an internet connection.  
> Scrapbook
> did this very well, but apparently is not compatible with SM 2.4 or higher.  I
> don't know what this type of application is called, so I haven't succeeded in
> finding a replacement.
> 
> Does anyone know of a like program that will work with Vista and SM 2.5?

I just save the page using FILE/SAVE AS.  I have a Directory for SAVEDPAGES
and I just save it in that directory with a name I can remember.  If there are
pictures and other stuff it will create a subdirectory with that information.

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Re: automatically redirecting

[Rick Merrill]

Hartmut Figge wrote:

Rick Merrill:


SM 2.5
"prevented this page from automatically redirecting to another page"

I still cannot find an Edit | Preferences  way to tell SM 2.5 to
always "ALLOW" this redirect.


In about:config of my SM 2.8a1 with the filter 'redi' there is
network.websocket.auto-follow-http-redirects with the value false.

Perhaps? :)

Hartmut



2.5 has
network.websocket.auto-follow-http-redirects

Do you suppose it works with -https- as well?

No it doesn't!

But thanks for the tip.


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Re: Mozilla Firefox ? 3.6

[Robert Kaiser]

Rick Merrill schrieb:

I have forgotten how to make SeaMonkey
pretend to be Mozilla Firefox ? 3.6.

[ about? useragent? ]


Your message says:
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0.1) Gecko/2021 
Firefox/8.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.5


That already contains the stuff to make it pretend to be a Firefox 8.0.1 
version.


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Scrapbook

[Not@home]

For traveling, I like to keep copies of web sites (such as restaurants, 
museums, etc.) that are accessible when I do not have an internet 
connection.  Scrapbook did this very well, but apparently is not 
compatible with SM 2.4 or higher.  I don't know what this type of 
application is called, so I haven't succeeded in finding a replacement.


Does anyone know of a like program that will work with Vista and SM 2.5?
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Re: Bookmarks

[Not@home]

Thanks all. I usually keep the location bar minimized to give me a 
bigger viewing area.


Not@home wrote:

I have a lot of bookmarks, most organized. But some I only want to keep
temporarily. When I want to keep one temporarily, I use bookmark this
page and the bookmark appears below those I have filed. For permanent
ones I use file bookmark. Since my touchpad skills are deteriorating, I
have taken to keeping bookmark manager open, as it is easier for me to
navigate. My problem is that the temporary bookmarks do not appear when
I open bookmark manager.

Is there a way to make them appear, or should I just create a folder in
the hierarchy to keep them in?

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2.4.1-0.2.1 x86_64 hang with mail

[Patrick Begou]

I've a strange problem with seamonkey 2.4.1 x86_64.
System is OpenSuse x86_64 fresh install, with all updates.
The home directory is nfs mounted.
The user was runing seamonkey ssh seamonkey-2.0.11-2.2 x86_64 on his previous 
workstation

On a new workstation seamonkey 2.4.1hangs at startup.
I've removed all the .mozilla/seamonkey in the user's home:
  - seamonkey works,
  - I configure again the mail acount without downloading any mail,
  - I restart seamonkey and it hangs again.

I've dowgraded seamonkey to 2.0.14-0.2.1 x86_64 and all work fine.

I do not find anything with google (except some people having similar problem 
but without solution).

Any idea where to start ?

Thanks

Patrick

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Re: Suggestions on moving from 2.0.14 to 2.5

[WLS]

On 11/29/2011 10:20 AM, Francesco Presel wrote:
> Tom Pamin ha scritto:
>> I think I'm finally ready to upgrade from 2.0.14 to 2.5. I'd like to
>> keep 2.0.14 on my PC for now, and just test 2.5. I'd appreciate any
>> suggestions on how to do this with the fewest problems. I'm especially
>> concerned with keeping my bookmarks and addons working on both versions.
> 
> It's not possible to use a single profile for both versions together. If
> you share the profile, every time you change version of SM the profile
> will be updated and you'll have problems with your bookmarks.
> First, you should duplicate your profile. Then, you should force the
> browser to always ask for the profile at startup.
> Only then, it's safe to install the new version, but remember to always
> be careful to open the right profile.


The stand alone profile manager is an excellent tool for managing
profiles that way.

The link is in my signature.

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Re: How big an issue and are there upcoming fixes?

[WLS]

On 11/29/2011 10:29 AM, hawker wrote:



> 
> hmm. I wonder what it is then.
> I have SM on three computers all three look wrong to me.
> Yes I have Advertise SM enabled.
> I highly tweak fonts and screen sizes on my machines. It could be
> related to that.   


I had to set Minimum font size to none, to resolve a similar overlap
issue with a couple web sites I frequent daily in SeaMonkey and Firefox.
Drove me crazy for quite awhile.


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Re: How big an issue and are there upcoming fixes?

[hawker]

On 11/29/2011 10:04 AM, WLS wrote:

On 11/29/2011 09:51 AM, hawker wrote:

On 11/29/2011 9:23 AM, WLS wrote:

On 11/29/2011 09:13 AM, hawker wrote:

Reading along there appears to be a change in the SM 2.5 rendering
engine that makes a small number of sites unreadable.  I trying to grasp
how big this issue is (IE how likely am I to run across this), and is
there some known small issue causing this with a 2.5.1 patch coming up?

I have already found a decent number of sites that work fine in FireFox
3.x or IE8 but not Seamonkey 2.x and I deal with it by occasionally
using, gasp, IE but this sounds like it might be bigger than that so I'm
wondering if I should hold off a few weeks again?

Hawker




Links to those site could be helpful. I've never had a problem with
SeaMonkey 2.x versions.

I'd be happy to test them in SeaMonkey 2.6b1.



As to the Seamonkey 2.5 issues, I got this from reading here and folks
listing a few sites here and there, especially it seems, some routers.

So I have not tested these in recent FF versions. But a while ago these
two sites worked fine in FF and IE8 but not IE7 or Seamonkey.

http://www.taurusbass.com/
Note the two buttons on top of each other (in/register and visitors)
It looks fine in FF and IE

I just checked the other I knew of that did not work in an earlier
version of 2.x and it seems to work fine now so I don't know if it is SM
or they updated the website. At the time it didn't work in IE 7.x either.




Do you have Preferences>  Advanced>  HTTP Networking>  Advertise Firefox
compatability checked?

The site looks fine in my SeaMonkey with that preference checked.




hmm. I wonder what it is then.
I have SM on three computers all three look wrong to me.
Yes I have Advertise SM enabled.
I highly tweak fonts and screen sizes on my machines. It could be 
related to that.   I have noticed that whatever Windows does to 1920 x 
1200 screen sizes to make them work often breaks things that smaller 
screen resolutions do not. Or are both of you using non Windows clients 
and this is simply a Windows issue?


Most of the issues I have are with HTML coded e-mails that look fine in 
the web client in IE but not Seamonkey.


As for the "The web site was not properly written" argument. I find this 
a poor argument. They may be poorly written, but that is a fact of life 
of the web and the browsers job is to do the best it can do deal with 
that. If another browser can properly render a poorly written website, 
but SM cannot then I see this as a SM problem, not the website.



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Re: automatically redirecting

[Hartmut Figge]

Rick Merrill:

>SM 2.5
>"prevented this page from automatically redirecting to another page"
>
>I still cannot find an Edit | Preferences  way to tell SM 2.5 to
>always "ALLOW" this redirect.

In about:config of my SM 2.8a1 with the filter 'redi' there is
network.websocket.auto-follow-http-redirects with the value false.

Perhaps? :)

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Re: Suggestions on moving from 2.0.14 to 2.5

[Francesco Presel]

Tom Pamin ha scritto:

I think I'm finally ready to upgrade from 2.0.14 to 2.5. I'd like to
keep 2.0.14 on my PC for now, and just test 2.5. I'd appreciate any
suggestions on how to do this with the fewest problems. I'm especially
concerned with keeping my bookmarks and addons working on both versions.


It's not possible to use a single profile for both versions together. If 
you share the profile, every time you change version of SM the profile 
will be updated and you'll have problems with your bookmarks.
First, you should duplicate your profile. Then, you should force the 
browser to always ask for the profile at startup.
Only then, it's safe to install the new version, but remember to always 
be careful to open the right profile.

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Re: How big an issue and are there upcoming fixes?

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

hawker wrote:

On 11/29/2011 9:23 AM, WLS wrote:

On 11/29/2011 09:13 AM, hawker wrote:

Reading along there appears to be a change in the SM 2.5
rendering engine that makes a small number of sites unreadable. I
trying to grasp how big this issue is (IE how likely am I to run
across this), and is there some known small issue causing this
with a 2.5.1 patch coming up?

I have already found a decent number of sites that work fine in
FireFox 3.x or IE8 but not Seamonkey 2.x and I deal with it by
occasionally using, gasp, IE but this sounds like it might be
bigger than that so I'm wondering if I should hold off a few
weeks again?


Links to those site could be helpful. I've never had a problem
with SeaMonkey 2.x versions.

I'd be happy to test them in SeaMonkey 2.6b1.


As to the Seamonkey 2.5 issues, I got this from reading here and
folks listing a few sites here and there, especially it seems, some
routers.


Most of the complaints about a site not working in SeaMonkey are due to 
author cluelessness, by sniffing for browser names that don't include 
SeaMonkey (i.e. they test for IE, Firefox, Safari in the UA string and 
none of the lesser-known browsers).



So I have not tested these in recent FF versions. But a while ago
these two sites worked fine in FF and IE8 but not IE7 or Seamonkey.

http://www.taurusbass.com/ Note the two buttons on top of each other
(in/register and visitors) It looks fine in FF and IE


Your taurusbass site works fine for me in Firefox 8.0, SeaMonkey 2.4.1, 
Opera 11.52. Those "buttons" are no more than textual links with CSS 
styling, not real buttons.


That's for the public portions of the site; I have no login. I don't use 
Windows, so no IE here. I did not see any browser sniffing in the code.


Try it with all your add-ons disabled.

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Re: How big an issue and are there upcoming fixes?

[WLS]

On 11/29/2011 09:51 AM, hawker wrote:
> On 11/29/2011 9:23 AM, WLS wrote:
>> On 11/29/2011 09:13 AM, hawker wrote:
>>> Reading along there appears to be a change in the SM 2.5 rendering
>>> engine that makes a small number of sites unreadable.  I trying to grasp
>>> how big this issue is (IE how likely am I to run across this), and is
>>> there some known small issue causing this with a 2.5.1 patch coming up?
>>>
>>> I have already found a decent number of sites that work fine in FireFox
>>> 3.x or IE8 but not Seamonkey 2.x and I deal with it by occasionally
>>> using, gasp, IE but this sounds like it might be bigger than that so I'm
>>> wondering if I should hold off a few weeks again?
>>>
>>> Hawker
>>>
>>
>>
>> Links to those site could be helpful. I've never had a problem with
>> SeaMonkey 2.x versions.
>>
>> I'd be happy to test them in SeaMonkey 2.6b1.
>>
> 
> As to the Seamonkey 2.5 issues, I got this from reading here and folks
> listing a few sites here and there, especially it seems, some routers.
> 
> So I have not tested these in recent FF versions. But a while ago these
> two sites worked fine in FF and IE8 but not IE7 or Seamonkey.
> 
> http://www.taurusbass.com/
> Note the two buttons on top of each other (in/register and visitors)
> It looks fine in FF and IE
> 
> I just checked the other I knew of that did not work in an earlier
> version of 2.x and it seems to work fine now so I don't know if it is SM
> or they updated the website. At the time it didn't work in IE 7.x either.
> 


Do you have Preferences > Advanced > HTTP Networking > Advertise Firefox
compatability checked?

The site looks fine in my SeaMonkey with that preference checked.


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Re: How big an issue and are there upcoming fixes?

[hawker]

On 11/29/2011 9:23 AM, WLS wrote:

On 11/29/2011 09:13 AM, hawker wrote:

Reading along there appears to be a change in the SM 2.5 rendering
engine that makes a small number of sites unreadable.  I trying to grasp
how big this issue is (IE how likely am I to run across this), and is
there some known small issue causing this with a 2.5.1 patch coming up?

I have already found a decent number of sites that work fine in FireFox
3.x or IE8 but not Seamonkey 2.x and I deal with it by occasionally
using, gasp, IE but this sounds like it might be bigger than that so I'm
wondering if I should hold off a few weeks again?

Hawker




Links to those site could be helpful. I've never had a problem with
SeaMonkey 2.x versions.

I'd be happy to test them in SeaMonkey 2.6b1.



As to the Seamonkey 2.5 issues, I got this from reading here and folks 
listing a few sites here and there, especially it seems, some routers.


So I have not tested these in recent FF versions. But a while ago these 
two sites worked fine in FF and IE8 but not IE7 or Seamonkey.


http://www.taurusbass.com/
Note the two buttons on top of each other (in/register and visitors)
It looks fine in FF and IE

I just checked the other I knew of that did not work in an earlier 
version of 2.x and it seems to work fine now so I don't know if it is SM 
or they updated the website. At the time it didn't work in IE 7.x either.






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automatically redirecting

[Rick Merrill]

SM 2.5
"prevented this page from automatically redirecting to another page"

I still cannot find an Edit | Preferences  way to tell SM 2.5 to
always "ALLOW" this redirect.

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Re: How big an issue and are there upcoming fixes?

[WLS]

On 11/29/2011 09:13 AM, hawker wrote:
> Reading along there appears to be a change in the SM 2.5 rendering
> engine that makes a small number of sites unreadable.  I trying to grasp
> how big this issue is (IE how likely am I to run across this), and is
> there some known small issue causing this with a 2.5.1 patch coming up?
> 
> I have already found a decent number of sites that work fine in FireFox
> 3.x or IE8 but not Seamonkey 2.x and I deal with it by occasionally
> using, gasp, IE but this sounds like it might be bigger than that so I'm
> wondering if I should hold off a few weeks again?
> 
> Hawker
> 


Links to those site could be helpful. I've never had a problem with
SeaMonkey 2.x versions.

I'd be happy to test them in SeaMonkey 2.6b1.

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How big an issue and are there upcoming fixes?

[hawker]

Reading along there appears to be a change in the SM 2.5 rendering 
engine that makes a small number of sites unreadable.  I trying to grasp 
how big this issue is (IE how likely am I to run across this), and is 
there some known small issue causing this with a 2.5.1 patch coming up?


I have already found a decent number of sites that work fine in FireFox 
3.x or IE8 but not Seamonkey 2.x and I deal with it by occasionally 
using, gasp, IE but this sounds like it might be bigger than that so I'm 
wondering if I should hold off a few weeks again?


Hawker

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Re: Mozilla Firefox ? 3.6

[WLS]

On 11/29/2011 05:04 AM, Philip TAYLOR wrote:
> 
> 
> NoOp wrote:
> 
>> He's using SeaMonkey 2.5; there is no 'useragent' in about:config in
>> newer versions of SeaMonkey.
> 
> There is, however :
> 
> general.useragent.compatMode.firefox
> 
> Philip Taylor


Which can be set under Preferences > Advanced > HTTP Networking > User
Agent String . Advertise Firefox compatibility. I believe it is on by
default.

No need to mess with about:config.

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Re: How to disable Seamonkey's memory of previously saved page directory paths...

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 29/11/2011 04:23, David E. Ross told the world:

> I just now tried a very small test.  SeaMonkey did indeed remember where
> I saved a Web page as a file.  However, each Save request uses that
> saved location.  Thus, if I save a Web page and then do a download of a
> non-HTML file, the Save request will default to wherever I saved the Web
> page.  If I choose to save the non-HTML file elsewhere and then go to
> save another Web page, the Save request will default to wherever I saved
> the non-HTML file.
> 
> That is, there is only one remembered Save location.  No matter what
> kind of Save request SeaMonkey performs, that determines the remembered
> Save location for all kinds of subsequent Save requests.
> 
> You can change that behavior.  On the menu bar, select [Edit >
> Preferences].  On the left side of the Preferences window, select
> [Browser > Downloads].  On the Downloads pane, select the radio button
> for "Save files to" and select a location.  However, ALL Save requests
> will then use that one location.

No, Dave, Doc Crock is right. Save behavior has changed -- now Seamonkey
(and, I presume but I didn't really test, Firefox) remembers save
directories in a per-site basis. Which, depending on your use patterns,
can be really handy.

For instance, I follow a large number of webcomics, and save the daily
strips for some of them. Previously, I had to manually choose the
appropriate folder for each different strip. Now, Seamonkey knows that,
if the image comes from xkcd.com, it should be saved in the xkcd folder,
while images from girlgenius.com go to the Girl Genius folder. It's
convenient -- for me -- but annoying for Doc Crock, since his usage
pattern is different. (Too bad Seamonkey cannot -- so far -- tell apart
different comics from GoComics.com...)

I suppose there must be some sort of about:config setting to restore
previous behavior, but I haven't seen any reference.

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Re: Suggestions on moving from 2.0.14 to 2.5

[Daniel]

Tom Pamin wrote:

I think I'm finally ready to upgrade from 2.0.14 to 2.5. I'd like to
keep 2.0.14 on my PC for now, and just test 2.5. I'd appreciate any
suggestions on how to do this with the fewest problems. I'm especially
concerned with keeping my bookmarks and addons working on both versions.


Tom, do a custom install and put SM 2.5 wherever you want it (somewhere 
different to your SM 2.0.14 of course.


I think is was suggested that you upgrade to SM 2.1 first, so that the 
changes to bookmarks, etc., occur, then you should be able to install 
(full install) SM 2.5 over the top of SM 2.1 and all will be well.


When you have SM 2,5 installed, you will then have to go looking for 
your addons, most of which have been upgraded for later versions of SM.


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Suggestions on moving from 2.0.14 to 2.5

[Tom Pamin]

I think I'm finally ready to upgrade from 2.0.14 to 2.5. I'd like to 
keep 2.0.14 on my PC for now, and just test 2.5. I'd appreciate any 
suggestions on how to do this with the fewest problems. I'm especially 
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Re: Running a verify link check in Sea Monkey Composer

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Ray_Net wrote:


I suspect that the original page was created by ... perhaps this line
 has been dropped manually:



Ah, that. Sooo old; no wonder I didn't recognize it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claris_Homepage
"Claris Home Page was finally discontinued in 2001."



In fact the home page http://www.cerm.info/index.htm contains:


For the local file, i have also seen on a site of a friend created by
 Claris Home Page .. the same error :-) If nobody tell him where is
the wrong link, he never knows because when he test the page, he is
able to open his local file on his computer and did not see any error
:-)


That's true. I remember a discussion somewhere several years ago, where 
an author insisted his page and files were all correct -- because it 
worked on his computer.


I prefer Bluefish to write and maintain my web sites.

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Re: Mozilla Firefox ? 3.6

[Philip TAYLOR]

NoOp wrote:


He's using SeaMonkey 2.5; there is no 'useragent' in about:config in
newer versions of SeaMonkey.


There is, however :

general.useragent.compatMode.firefox

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Re: Running a verify link check in Sea Monkey Composer

[Ray_Net]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

John wrote:

"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:

John wrote:

"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:

John wrote:

http://www.cerm.info/bible_studies/Topical/work.htm


You also need a grammar checker for your pages.

"The Bible has allot to say ..." for example.


I did a search but did not find the word "allot" in the two
pages posted here. I always strive to correct grammar and
spelling errors. Where did you see that word used? Thanks..


Looking at the page just now, I see you have corrected it from
"allot" to "a lot". The wrong word was there an hour ago when I
last looked.

No response to any of my other comments?


If you have found other grammar errors please point them out as I
always strive to fix these errors.But I will say sometimes what
someone says is a error is just a way they would word things. I have
used editors before and some editors tried getting me to change my
meaning with some sentences on other articles on the site. I have
also had conflicts among editors. I used an editor and he cleaned up
some content, and sometime later another editor said what he
corrected was wrong, so editors do not always agree with each other.


I do not know of any 'editors' that want to change my content, other
than words that do not exist in their dictionary files.


But regardless what you have suggested so far has been correct. The
word allot does not sound as good as "a lot."


Probably because they have completely different meanings.




But I meant my unaddressed comments of:
"Note how my page passes validation: "
"What are all those "I suspect that the original page was created by ... perhaps this line 
has been dropped manually:


Some infos ...here:
http://www.ragesw.com/forums/index.php/topic/828-alternative-to-claris-home-page/

In fact the home page http://www.cerm.info/index.htm contains:
  

For the local file, i have also seen on a site of a friend created by 
Claris Home Page .. the same error :-)
If nobody tell him where is the wrong link, he never knows because when 
he test the page, he is able to open his local file on his computer  and 
did not see any error :-)

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