Re: Only check for new mail after opening Mail & Newsgroups

[Rufus]

Kevin L. Hill wrote:

On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:45:16 -0400, BIll Spikowski wrote:


My only problem occurs when I leave my office and for some reason need
to leave a SM browser window open; in that case, I've closed the SM
mail window because I do not want email downloaded from the server
when I'm out of the office (I need to monitor it on my Blackberry or
on my laptop or at home). It seems that the setting in the subject
line of this thread was created for people in my exact situation, if
I'm understanding it correctly. If I could make it work, I'd be even
more deliriously happy with Seamonkey!


Have you experimented with the options to "Leave the messages on the
server" also located in the tab for "Server Settings"?  If that box is checked 
on
your office machine, then all emails will remain on the server and can be
downloaded by your Blackberry and/or home computer.   If you check the
sub-option "Until I delete them", then deleting the local copy in SeaMonkey,
will remove the email from the server.  I have not tried the option "For at most
'X' days" but I assume that would leave messages on the server for a
maximum of 'X' days.

While this would make emails available to your Blackberry and home
computer, it might create other problems.  You will end up with more than one
local copy of many emails.

Best wishes,

Kevin

Kevin L. Hill
Long Beach, CA




That's what I do for multiple machines.  Works great, and I only end up 
with one local copy on each machine - SM is smart enough to remember 
what it's already downloaded and not grab a second copy on the same 
machine.  (Mac Mail.app has an option to leave messages on the server 
until they are moved from the Inbox, in addition to "until deleted 
locally" - I'd like to see this option in SM Mail...hint, hint...)


The only thing you need pay attention to is not to use your primary 
machine to delete messages from the server until you have retrieved and 
filed them on each machine you'd like to have a copy on.


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Re: Only check for new mail after opening Mail & Newsgroups

[Kevin L. Hill]

On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:45:16 -0400, BIll Spikowski wrote:

>My only problem occurs when I leave my office and for some reason need
>to leave a SM browser window open; in that case, I've closed the SM
>mail window because I do not want email downloaded from the server
>when I'm out of the office (I need to monitor it on my Blackberry or
>on my laptop or at home). It seems that the setting in the subject
>line of this thread was created for people in my exact situation, if
>I'm understanding it correctly. If I could make it work, I'd be even
>more deliriously happy with Seamonkey!

Have you experimented with the options to "Leave the messages on the 
server" also located in the tab for "Server Settings"?  If that box is checked 
on 
your office machine, then all emails will remain on the server and can be 
downloaded by your Blackberry and/or home computer.   If you check the 
sub-option "Until I delete them", then deleting the local copy in SeaMonkey, 
will remove the email from the server.  I have not tried the option "For at 
most 
'X' days" but I assume that would leave messages on the server for a 
maximum of 'X' days.

While this would make emails available to your Blackberry and home 
computer, it might create other problems.  You will end up with more than one 
local copy of many emails.

Best wishes,

Kevin

Kevin L. Hill
Long Beach, CA


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Re: Message Appearance

[chicagofan]

Daniel wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

JohnW-Mpls wrote:

This last update to 2.8 - the mail program changes the original
message font
when I call to forward the message. The message looks faint (the
opposite
of bolding). The comments I add are my regular chosen font.

I don't like it. I hope it was it a mistake that will be fixed.


What drives me crazy is how the size of my text will change
mid-sentence, in almost every message I compose in mail... repeatedly.
bj


Cannot say I've ever seen this happen, Chicagofan!!

And did you mean this to be a new thread??



Sorry, no... just an additional comment to John's about changing fonts 
in 2.8.   :)


I have given up on getting any help with my SM problems, because I use 
HTML in my personal mail.

bj




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Re: Only check for new mail after opening Mail & Newsgroups

[Rufus]

BIll Spikowski wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

BIll Spikowski wrote:


I have this box checked in Edit | Preferences | Mail&   Newsgroups.

Yet it doesn't stop Seamonkey from downloading my email when only the
browser window is open -- or even when no window is open but a SM
process is stuck running in the background.

This is a problem to me because I sometimes must leave a browser
window open, but I want my email left on the server until I'm back in
my office.

Is there a workaround that might solve this?


In my experience, once SM starts checking mail automatically during a
session, it will continue doing so no matter what you do to the prefs.
So if you really want it to stop checking, you have to terminate SM
after setting the new preference, which takes effect in the next session.

It would be ideal if the devs would add a notation "(takes effect
after SeaMonkey restarts)" or something to that effect.



I've had this setting checked for quite a while, before many many
restarts, and still the automatic email downloading continues (in the
background) even when Mail&  Newsgroups is closed. For my purposes,
the interface design seems exactly right -- it just doesn't work
properly.

Your suggested notation sounds like it would be useful in your
situation, because otherwise how would anyone know that a restart is
required?




I have a feeling it checks no matter *what* you do, or what your 
preferences are set to, and that that is a contributor to why I see 
unrequested queries for my Master Password...even though I'm not asking 
for Mail, nor do I require a Password for News access -


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=724296

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Re: Only check for new mail after opening Mail & Newsgroups

[BIll Spikowski]

Jens Hatlak wrote:
> BIll Spikowski wrote:
>> If this is working as intended, I must be misinterpreting the checkbox
>> "Only check for new mail after opening Mail&  Newsgroups."
>>
>> I thought it meant, "Only check for new mail when Mail&  Newsgroups is
>> open."
> 
> Wrong.
> 
>> But I guess you're saying it means, "Only check for new mail after
>> Mail&  Newsgroups has been opened at least once in this session." In
>> which case, it's working as intended; if I need to leave a browser
>> window open without having SM download email all night, I need to exit
>> SM entirely, then open just a browser window.
> 
> This is correct. Putting the complete and exact meaning into the
> checkbox label is hard; what we have is a compromise. But if you
> didn't understand it, you could just have clicked the Help button and
> read the full explanation.
> 
>> A little awkward, but if I can remember that sequence, it would work
>> for me.
> 
> Another possible option is to temporarily go to Offline mode, e.g.
> using the connector icon on the status bar. This will delay and
> network activity, including MailNews downloads, until after you go
> back on-line.


Thank you, I'll try both methods!
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Re: Only check for new mail after opening Mail & Newsgroups

[Jens Hatlak]

BIll Spikowski wrote:

If this is working as intended, I must be misinterpreting the checkbox
"Only check for new mail after opening Mail&  Newsgroups."

I thought it meant, "Only check for new mail when Mail&  Newsgroups is
open."


Wrong.


But I guess you're saying it means, "Only check for new mail after
Mail&  Newsgroups has been opened at least once in this session." In
which case, it's working as intended; if I need to leave a browser
window open without having SM download email all night, I need to exit
SM entirely, then open just a browser window.


This is correct. Putting the complete and exact meaning into the 
checkbox label is hard; what we have is a compromise. But if you didn't 
understand it, you could just have clicked the Help button and read the 
full explanation.



A little awkward, but if I can remember that sequence, it would work
for me.


Another possible option is to temporarily go to Offline mode, e.g. using 
the connector icon on the status bar. This will delay and network 
activity, including MailNews downloads, until after you go back on-line.


HTH

Jens

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Re: Only check for new mail after opening Mail & Newsgroups

[WLS]

BIll Spikowski wrote:

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 19/04/2012 16:48, BIll Spikowski told the world:

I have this box checked in Edit | Preferences | Mail&  Newsgroups.

Yet it doesn't stop Seamonkey from downloading my email when only the
browser window is open -- or even when no window is open but a SM
process is stuck running in the background.

This is a problem to me because I sometimes must leave a browser
window open, but I want my email left on the server until I'm back in
my office.

Is there a workaround that might solve this?


Bill, just to clear a point... are you complaining that:

a) You open Seamonkey, open the mail window, close the mail window
without closing the browser window and it keeps downloading mail in the
background, or

b) You have Seamonkey totally shut down, open JUST the browser window
and yet it starts downloading mail in the background?

Case (a) is working as intended; case (b) is not.



Case (a) is my situation.

If this is working as intended, I must be misinterpreting the checkbox
"Only check for new mail after opening Mail&  Newsgroups."

I thought it meant, "Only check for new mail when Mail&  Newsgroups is
open."

But I guess you're saying it means, "Only check for new mail after
Mail&  Newsgroups has been opened at least once in this session." In
which case, it's working as intended; if I need to leave a browser
window open without having SM download email all night, I need to exit
SM entirely, then open just a browser window.

A little awkward, but if I can remember that sequence, it would work
for me.





Disregard my previous message.

I just sent my fourth test message after changing to check every minute. 
The Mail & Newsgroups window was closed.


Got a message in the browser that I had new mail.

Tests 5 and 6 shows quiting completely seems to cure the problem.

File a RFE bug?
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Re: Only check for new mail after opening Mail & Newsgroups

[WLS]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

BIll Spikowski wrote:


By "this setting" -- I meant the setting in the subject line of this
thread, "Only check for new mail after opening Mail& Newsgroups,"
which is found as described on the first line of my message. It's a
global setting for all accounts.

The three settings you listed above are for each INDIVIDUAL email
account. I always keep all three checked for all accounts, because
that's the normal behavior I want for my email during my regular
working day.

My only problem occurs when I leave my office and for some reason need
to leave a SM browser window open; in that case, I've closed the SM
mail window because I do not want email downloaded from the server
when I'm out of the office (I need to monitor it on my Blackberry or
on my laptop or at home). It seems that the setting in the subject
line of this thread was created for people in my exact situation, if
I'm understanding it correctly. If I could make it work, I'd be even
more deliriously happy with Seamonkey!


Apparently, this setting behaves the same way as the three others I
described -- changes require a program restart before they take effect.
So if you've had the mail/news window open and you close it while
leaving the browser open, that doesn't count and SM happily goes on
checking mail. If you want only the browser open with no mail check, you
have to launch only the browser. If a mail/news window is already open,
you have to close the entire program and launch only the browser.

At least that's my theory for the moment.




My theory is the stuck process mentioned in the first post.

I just tested it 3 times. The last time with check for mail every one 
minute as the setting. Waited 5 minutes, and the email test didn't 
download until I opened the Mail window.


WFM


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Re: Only check for new mail after opening Mail & Newsgroups

[Heinz W. Simoneit]

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj schrieb:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Which is "this setting"?

Edit | Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings | Server Settings"
[ ] Check for new messages at startup
[ ] Check for new messages every nn minutes
[ ] Automatically download new messages

CORRECTION: Unless all three are UNchecked for all your accounts, SM 
will check,
and for those accounts where the third option is checked, it will 
download

messages. It's not enough to clear the boxes for one account.


And why is this NOT on a per account basis?


It IS !

Heinz

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Re: Only check for new mail after opening Mail & Newsgroups

[Paul B. Gallagher]

BIll Spikowski wrote:


By "this setting" -- I meant the setting in the subject line of this
thread, "Only check for new mail after opening Mail&  Newsgroups,"
which is found as described on the first line of my message. It's a
global setting for all accounts.

The three settings you listed above are for each INDIVIDUAL email
account. I always keep all three checked for all accounts, because
that's the normal behavior I want for my email during my regular
working day.

My only problem occurs when I leave my office and for some reason need
to leave a SM browser window open; in that case, I've closed the SM
mail window because I do not want email downloaded from the server
when I'm out of the office (I need to monitor it on my Blackberry or
on my laptop or at home). It seems that the setting in the subject
line of this thread was created for people in my exact situation, if
I'm understanding it correctly. If I could make it work, I'd be even
more deliriously happy with Seamonkey!


Apparently, this setting behaves the same way as the three others I 
described -- changes require a program restart before they take effect. 
So if you've had the mail/news window open and you close it while 
leaving the browser open, that doesn't count and SM happily goes on 
checking mail. If you want only the browser open with no mail check, you 
have to launch only the browser. If a mail/news window is already open, 
you have to close the entire program and launch only the browser.


At least that's my theory for the moment.


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Re: Only check for new mail after opening Mail & Newsgroups

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Which is "this setting"?

Edit | Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings | Server Settings"
[ ] Check for new messages at startup
[ ] Check for new messages every nn minutes
[ ] Automatically download new messages

CORRECTION: Unless all three are UNchecked for all your accounts,
SM will check, and for those accounts where the third option is
checked, it will download messages. It's not enough to clear the
boxes for one account.


And why is this NOT on a per account basis?


It is, as I said. You can have different settings for each account.

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Re: Only check for new mail after opening Mail & Newsgroups

[BIll Spikowski]

MCBastos wrote:
> Interviewed by CNN on 19/04/2012 16:48, BIll Spikowski told the world:
>> I have this box checked in Edit | Preferences | Mail & Newsgroups.
>>
>> Yet it doesn't stop Seamonkey from downloading my email when only the
>> browser window is open -- or even when no window is open but a SM
>> process is stuck running in the background.
>>
>> This is a problem to me because I sometimes must leave a browser
>> window open, but I want my email left on the server until I'm back in
>> my office.
>>
>> Is there a workaround that might solve this?
> 
> Bill, just to clear a point... are you complaining that:
> 
> a) You open Seamonkey, open the mail window, close the mail window
> without closing the browser window and it keeps downloading mail in the
> background, or
> 
> b) You have Seamonkey totally shut down, open JUST the browser window
> and yet it starts downloading mail in the background?
> 
> Case (a) is working as intended; case (b) is not.


Case (a) is my situation.

If this is working as intended, I must be misinterpreting the checkbox
"Only check for new mail after opening Mail & Newsgroups."

I thought it meant, "Only check for new mail when Mail & Newsgroups is
open."

But I guess you're saying it means, "Only check for new mail after
Mail & Newsgroups has been opened at least once in this session." In
which case, it's working as intended; if I need to leave a browser
window open without having SM download email all night, I need to exit
SM entirely, then open just a browser window.

A little awkward, but if I can remember that sequence, it would work
for me.



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Re: Only check for new mail after opening Mail & Newsgroups

[BIll Spikowski]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> BIll Spikowski wrote:
> 
>> Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
>>> BIll Spikowski wrote:
>>>
 I have this box checked in Edit | Preferences | Mail&   Newsgroups.

 Yet it doesn't stop Seamonkey from downloading my email when only the
 browser window is open -- or even when no window is open but a SM
 process is stuck running in the background.

 This is a problem to me because I sometimes must leave a browser
 window open, but I want my email left on the server until I'm back in
 my office.

 Is there a workaround that might solve this?
>>>
>>> In my experience, once SM starts checking mail automatically during a
>>> session, it will continue doing so no matter what you do to the prefs.
>>> So if you really want it to stop checking, you have to terminate SM
>>> after setting the new preference, which takes effect in the next
>>> session.
>>>
>>> It would be ideal if the devs would add a notation "(takes effect
>>> after SeaMonkey restarts)" or something to that effect.
>>
>> I've had this setting checked for quite a while, before many many
>> restarts, and still the automatic email downloading continues (in the
>> background) even when Mail&  Newsgroups is closed. For my purposes,
>> the interface design seems exactly right -- it just doesn't work
>> properly.
>>
>> Your suggested notation sounds like it would be useful in your
>> situation, because otherwise how would anyone know that a restart is
>> required?
> 
> Which is "this setting"?
> 
> Edit | Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings | Server Settings"
> [ ] Check for new messages at startup
> [ ] Check for new messages every nn minutes
> [ ] Automatically download new messages
> 
> Unless all three are checked for all your accounts, SM will check, and
> for those accounts where the third option is checked, it will download
> messages. It's not enough to clear the boxes for one account.


By "this setting" -- I meant the setting in the subject line of this
thread, "Only check for new mail after opening Mail & Newsgroups,"
which is found as described on the first line of my message. It's a
global setting for all accounts.

The three settings you listed above are for each INDIVIDUAL email
account. I always keep all three checked for all accounts, because
that's the normal behavior I want for my email during my regular
working day.

My only problem occurs when I leave my office and for some reason need
to leave a SM browser window open; in that case, I've closed the SM
mail window because I do not want email downloaded from the server
when I'm out of the office (I need to monitor it on my Blackberry or
on my laptop or at home). It seems that the setting in the subject
line of this thread was created for people in my exact situation, if
I'm understanding it correctly. If I could make it work, I'd be even
more deliriously happy with Seamonkey!


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Re: Only check for new mail after opening Mail & Newsgroups

[Rostyslaw Lewyckyj]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Which is "this setting"?

Edit | Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings | Server Settings"
[ ] Check for new messages at startup
[ ] Check for new messages every nn minutes
[ ] Automatically download new messages

CORRECTION: Unless all three are UNchecked for all your accounts, SM will check,
and for those accounts where the third option is checked, it will download
messages. It's not enough to clear the boxes for one account.


And why is this NOT on a per account basis?
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Re: Only check for new mail after opening Mail & Newsgroups

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MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 19/04/2012 16:48, BIll Spikowski told the world:

I have this box checked in Edit | Preferences | Mail&  Newsgroups.

Yet it doesn't stop Seamonkey from downloading my email when only the
browser window is open -- or even when no window is open but a SM
process is stuck running in the background.

This is a problem to me because I sometimes must leave a browser
window open, but I want my email left on the server until I'm back in
my office.

Is there a workaround that might solve this?


Bill, just to clear a point... are you complaining that:

a) You open Seamonkey, open the mail window, close the mail window
without closing the browser window and it keeps downloading mail in the
background, or

b) You have Seamonkey totally shut down, open JUST the browser window
and yet it starts downloading mail in the background?

Case (a) is working as intended; case (b) is not.



It certainly works that way for me here.

1.  Open mail/news only
2.  Set preference
3.  Close mail/news
4.  Open browser - mail does NOT download
5.  Open mail/news - mail DOES download
6.  Close mail/news - mail continues to be downloaded

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Re: Only check for new mail after opening Mail & Newsgroups

[Paul B. Gallagher]

BIll Spikowski wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

BIll Spikowski wrote:


I have this box checked in Edit | Preferences | Mail&   Newsgroups.

Yet it doesn't stop Seamonkey from downloading my email when only the
browser window is open -- or even when no window is open but a SM
process is stuck running in the background.

This is a problem to me because I sometimes must leave a browser
window open, but I want my email left on the server until I'm back in
my office.

Is there a workaround that might solve this?


In my experience, once SM starts checking mail automatically during a
session, it will continue doing so no matter what you do to the prefs.
So if you really want it to stop checking, you have to terminate SM
after setting the new preference, which takes effect in the next session.

It would be ideal if the devs would add a notation "(takes effect
after SeaMonkey restarts)" or something to that effect.


I've had this setting checked for quite a while, before many many
restarts, and still the automatic email downloading continues (in the
background) even when Mail&  Newsgroups is closed. For my purposes,
the interface design seems exactly right -- it just doesn't work
properly.

Your suggested notation sounds like it would be useful in your
situation, because otherwise how would anyone know that a restart is
required?


Which is "this setting"?

Edit | Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings | Server Settings"
[ ] Check for new messages at startup
[ ] Check for new messages every nn minutes
[ ] Automatically download new messages

CORRECTION: Unless all three are UNchecked for all your accounts, SM 
will check, and for those accounts where the third option is checked, it 
will download messages. It's not enough to clear the boxes for one account.


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Re: Only check for new mail after opening Mail & Newsgroups

[Paul B. Gallagher]

BIll Spikowski wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

BIll Spikowski wrote:


I have this box checked in Edit | Preferences | Mail&   Newsgroups.

Yet it doesn't stop Seamonkey from downloading my email when only the
browser window is open -- or even when no window is open but a SM
process is stuck running in the background.

This is a problem to me because I sometimes must leave a browser
window open, but I want my email left on the server until I'm back in
my office.

Is there a workaround that might solve this?


In my experience, once SM starts checking mail automatically during a
session, it will continue doing so no matter what you do to the prefs.
So if you really want it to stop checking, you have to terminate SM
after setting the new preference, which takes effect in the next session.

It would be ideal if the devs would add a notation "(takes effect
after SeaMonkey restarts)" or something to that effect.


I've had this setting checked for quite a while, before many many
restarts, and still the automatic email downloading continues (in the
background) even when Mail&  Newsgroups is closed. For my purposes,
the interface design seems exactly right -- it just doesn't work
properly.

Your suggested notation sounds like it would be useful in your
situation, because otherwise how would anyone know that a restart is
required?


Which is "this setting"?

Edit | Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings | Server Settings"
[ ] Check for new messages at startup
[ ] Check for new messages every nn minutes
[ ] Automatically download new messages

Unless all three are checked for all your accounts, SM will check, and 
for those accounts where the third option is checked, it will download 
messages. It's not enough to clear the boxes for one account.


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Re: Only check for new mail after opening Mail & Newsgroups

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Interviewed by CNN on 19/04/2012 16:48, BIll Spikowski told the world:
> I have this box checked in Edit | Preferences | Mail & Newsgroups.
> 
> Yet it doesn't stop Seamonkey from downloading my email when only the
> browser window is open -- or even when no window is open but a SM
> process is stuck running in the background.
> 
> This is a problem to me because I sometimes must leave a browser
> window open, but I want my email left on the server until I'm back in
> my office.
> 
> Is there a workaround that might solve this?

Bill, just to clear a point... are you complaining that:

a) You open Seamonkey, open the mail window, close the mail window
without closing the browser window and it keeps downloading mail in the
background, or

b) You have Seamonkey totally shut down, open JUST the browser window
and yet it starts downloading mail in the background?

Case (a) is working as intended; case (b) is not.

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Re: Only check for new mail after opening Mail & Newsgroups

[BIll Spikowski]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> BIll Spikowski wrote:
> 
>> I have this box checked in Edit | Preferences | Mail&  Newsgroups.
>>
>> Yet it doesn't stop Seamonkey from downloading my email when only the
>> browser window is open -- or even when no window is open but a SM
>> process is stuck running in the background.
>>
>> This is a problem to me because I sometimes must leave a browser
>> window open, but I want my email left on the server until I'm back in
>> my office.
>>
>> Is there a workaround that might solve this?
> 
> In my experience, once SM starts checking mail automatically during a
> session, it will continue doing so no matter what you do to the prefs.
> So if you really want it to stop checking, you have to terminate SM
> after setting the new preference, which takes effect in the next session.
> 
> It would be ideal if the devs would add a notation "(takes effect
> after SeaMonkey restarts)" or something to that effect.


I've had this setting checked for quite a while, before many many
restarts, and still the automatic email downloading continues (in the
background) even when Mail & Newsgroups is closed. For my purposes,
the interface design seems exactly right -- it just doesn't work
properly.

Your suggested notation sounds like it would be useful in your
situation, because otherwise how would anyone know that a restart is
required?


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Re: Message Appearance

[Daniel]

chicagofan wrote:

Daniel wrote:

JohnW-Mpls wrote:

This last update to 2.8 - the mail program changes the original
message font
when I call to forward the message. The message looks faint (the
opposite
of bolding). The comments I add are my regular chosen font.

I don't like it. I hope it was it a mistake that will be fixed.



John, when you forward a message, are you adding the original message
*AFTER* you've added your message and your sig file??

If you have a look at my name, below the sig de-limiter, you will notice
that it is in a lighter font than this message. If I had top-posted my
reply, your original post (because it would have been added after the
sig de-limiter) would have been in lighter font.

Just the way the system works!!




What drives me crazy is how the size of my text will change
mid-sentence, in almost every message I compose in mail... repeatedly.
bj


Cannot say I've ever seen this happen, Chicagofan!!

And did you mean this to be a new thread??

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