Re: We plan to release SeaMonkey 2.35 asap in July.
Ant wrote: https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-07-07#SeaMonkey_2.35_Release Good to know. I was starting to lose hope and planning a migration to Firefox/Thunderbird. Thanks. -- Jaime A. Cruz Secretary Nassau Wings Motorcycle Club http://www.nassauwings.org/ AMA District 34 http://www.AMADistrict34.com/ Freddy's Run http://www.freddysrun.org/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Recovering from clobbered backup/restore of mail
mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: My primary machine is a laptop using SM 2.26.1 on WinXP Pro SP3. My secondary machine is a desktop using SM 2.5 on WinXP Pro SP3. My laptop had to go into shop to replace intermittent fan. When I bought the laptop I had simply copied the profiles from the desktop to the laptop. The laptop's SM had been updated a couple of times ending as 2.26.1 . I copied the profiles from the SM 2.26.1 machine to the SM 2.5 machine likely not the best idea ; Some where in the copy sequence some data was corrupted - observable symptoms were one mail sub-folder's name was corrupted and at least on email was threaded wrong. The laptop repair took longer than predicted - now have 1000 emails to xfr to laptop. Newer versions of SeaMonkey sometimes change the format used for some files in the profile. When that happens, the new version usually converts files from existing profiles when it's first used. Afterwards, the profile won't necessarily work correctly on an older version, and in attempting to do so the old version might clear or corrupt data it doesn't recognise from the newer version. Yepp ;/ My proposed recovery scheme is: 1. local backups of profiles on both desktop and laptop 2. on desktop create sub-folder of Local Folders titled Recent Mail 3. search top level account (and sub-folders) based on age 4. copy found emails to Local Folders - Recent Mail 5. Exit SM 6. copy ../Recent Mail to USB stick 7. copy above file to laptop profile 8. Start SM on laptop 9. mark all mails now in Local Folders - Recent Mail as not read 10. copy (NOT move) all mail from Local Folders - Recent Mail to appropriate top level folder 11. use existing filters to move this new mail to appropriate sub folder Do you still have an uncorrupted copy of the SeaMonkey 2.26.1 profile from the laptop? Not only that, I have the repaired laptop. If so, rather than trying to fix the broken profile [snip] That's NOT my goal. I've used the desktop for two weeks and wish to put the new emails on the repaired laptop. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Recovering from clobbered backup/restore of mail
Richard Owlett wrote: My primary machine is a laptop using SM 2.26.1 on WinXP Pro SP3. My secondary machine is a desktop using SM 2.5 on WinXP Pro SP3. My laptop had to go into shop to replace intermittent fan. When I bought the laptop I had simply copied the profiles from the desktop to the laptop. The laptop's SM had been updated a couple of times ending as 2.26.1 . I copied the profiles from the SM 2.26.1 machine to the SM 2.5 machine likely not the best idea ; Some where in the copy sequence some data was corrupted - observable symptoms were one mail sub-folder's name was corrupted and at least on email was threaded wrong. The laptop repair took longer than predicted - now have 1000 emails to xfr to laptop. Newer versions of SeaMonkey sometimes change the format used for some files in the profile. When that happens, the new version usually converts files from existing profiles when it's first used. Afterwards, the profile won't necessarily work correctly on an older version, and in attempting to do so the old version might clear or corrupt data it doesn't recognise from the newer version. My proposed recovery scheme is: 1. local backups of profiles on both desktop and laptop 2. on desktop create sub-folder of Local Folders titled Recent Mail 3. search top level account (and sub-folders) based on age 4. copy found emails to Local Folders - Recent Mail 5. Exit SM 6. copy ../Recent Mail to USB stick 7. copy above file to laptop profile 8. Start SM on laptop 9. mark all mails now in Local Folders - Recent Mail as not read 10. copy (NOT move) all mail from Local Folders - Recent Mail to appropriate top level folder 11. use existing filters to move this new mail to appropriate sub folder Do you still have an uncorrupted copy of the SeaMonkey 2.26.1 profile from the laptop? If so, rather than trying to fix the broken profile I'd suggest: 1. Delete or rename the corrupted profile on the desktop 2. Upgrade the desktop to SeaMonkey 2.26.1 3. Copy the uncorrupted 2.26.1 profile to the desktop 4. Hopefully SeaMonkey will now work correctly on the desktop, with the profile from the laptop, while you're waiting for the laptop to be repaired When you get the laptop back, ensure you back up all profiles on both machines just in case anything goes wrong. You should be able to just copy the SeaMonkey 2.26.1 profile from the desktop back to the laptop. Mark. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Recovering from clobbered backup/restore of mail
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: EE wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: My proposed recovery scheme is: 1. local backups of profiles on both desktop and laptop 2. on desktop create sub-folder of Local Folders titled Recent Mail 3. search top level account (and sub-folders) based on age 4. copy found emails to Local Folders - Recent Mail 5. Exit SM 6. copy ../Recent Mail to USB stick 7. copy above file to laptop profile 8. Start SM on laptop 9. mark all mails now in Local Folders - Recent Mail as not read 10. copy (NOT move) all mail from Local Folders - Recent Mail to appropriate top level folder 11. use existing filters to move this new mail to appropriate sub folder Have I covered all bases? Any comments? TIA Empty trash if any, and be sure to compact the folders. OK, I can see how that would speed up things. My intention was to ask if my proposed procedure was logically correct/consistent/???. Your answer is valuable in proving that I had not thought of everything. Thank you. There's a simpler way to go, provided the following assumptions hold: • Both systems use the same OS; • Both systems have the same versions of SM and the same add-ons extensions installed. Since you have v. 2.5 on the source system, I can't promise it will work, but I can recommend that you upgrade to something more recent. Version 2.5 was released November 22, 2011, so it's nearly four years old, a lifetime in the software business. [CHUCKLE!] That shows how long it has been since the desktop was my primary machine. I'm in process of moving from Windows to Linux, don't plan to update SM until after switch. At any rate, if the assumptions hold, the process is simple: 1) On the target system, navigate to the \Mozilla folder (the one that contains your profiles) and rename it \Old_Mozilla. 2) Locate the \Mozilla folder on the source system and copy it to the same folder on the target system as the one containing \Old_Mozilla. You're up and running. I've done this over a hundred times since v. 1.7 and it's always worked like a charm. I've done it many times also without problem UNTIL when I went from laptop (SM 2.26.1) to desktop (SM 2.5) when the laptop was going into shop for repair. Something did get corrupted, therefore I'm explicitly transferring new emails to the repaired laptop. There's one other possible way things could go wrong -- if the source system specifies a helper application such as Acrobat Reader that is not installed on the target system, you'll get an error message when trying to open that file type from within SM. But that's easily fixed -- either install the missing app or tell SM to use one that is present. In the unlikely event that this fails, you can revert to the status quo ante by shutting down SeaMonkey, deleting the new \Mozilla folder, and unrenaming \Old_Mozilla back to \Mozilla. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: NoSquint For SeaMonkey
Re: NoSquint For SeaMonkey Paul B. Gallagher wrote: MRoss wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 06/25/2015 09:25 AM, MRoss wrote: ... Spam folder is not accessible via Seamonkey, ... That is another reason I despise POP accounts webmail systems! IMAP for all subscriptions! ... Don't overreact. Just because you got a lemon, that doesn't mean all cars are bad (politics and global warming aside). I regret my delayed replies, due to inet access problems that I hope to correct soon. Apparently Inbox.com just started using the SPAM folder, or just installed it, or just updated software - so it is active by default - where I never suffered it before. So email of the last few months was disappearing without my knowledge. I found over 200 lost emails in the Inbox.com Spam folder, accessible only by webpage. I use Inbox.com for several years now. This never happened before. No notice was given of an update in software. An Irresponsible Email Service to me! Enough! And I don't like not being able to see folders due to the antiquated design of POP. True IMAP does not suffer the problem. I just discovered Yahoo hiding a Spam folder from Alpine Seamonkey as well, so the Yahoo server imap.main.yahoo.com is obviously Not a True IMAP by RFC, while I seldom use it, it gets ditched too. I've been using various POP accounts for 20 years with mostly good results. Occasionally an ISP's spam blocker goes overboard and has to be reined in, but all POP is not bad. If it works for you - go for it. But I experienced just the opposite with POP servers in the last 20 years online. And this Inbox.com POP has caused other trouble, plus the server is erratic with random disconnects. Who needs it? IMAP can do all POP can do, plus a lot more. So why bother with POP? Especially a bad one. -- The Best To You Yours, M.Ross All Rights Reserved ---end-of-message--- sm - ONLY AT VFEmail! - Use our Metadata Mitigator to keep your email out of the NSA's hands! $24.95 ONETIME Lifetime accounts with Privacy Features! 15GB disk! No bandwidth quotas! Commercial and Bulk Mail Options! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: NoSquint For SeaMonkey
Re: NoSquint For SeaMonkey Paul B. Gallagher wrote: MRoss wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 06/25/2015 09:25 AM, MRoss wrote: ... Spam folder is not accessible via Seamonkey, ... That is another reason I despise POP accounts webmail systems! IMAP for all subscriptions! ... Don't overreact. Just because you got a lemon, that doesn't mean all cars are bad (politics and global warming aside). Apparently Inbox.com just started using the SPAM folder, or just installed it, or just updated software - so it is active by default - where I never suffered it before. So email of the last few months was disappearing without my knowledge. I found over 200 lost emails in the Inbox.com Spam folder, accessible only by webpage. I use Inbox.com for several years now. This never happened before. No notice was given of an update in software. An Irresponsible Email Service to me! Enough! And I don't like not being able to see folders due to the antiquated design of POP. True IMAP does not suffer the problem. I just discovered Yahoo hiding a Spam folder from Alpine Seamonkey as well, so the Yahoo server imap.main.yahoo.com is obviously Not a True IMAP by RFC, while I seldom use it, it gets ditched too. I've been using various POP accounts for 20 years with mostly good results. Occasionally an ISP's spam blocker goes overboard and has to be reined in, but all POP is not bad. If it works for you - go for it. But I experienced just the opposite with POP servers in the last 20 years online. And this Inbox.com POP has caused other trouble, plus the server is erratic with random disconnects. Who needs it? IMAP can do all POP can do, plus a lot more. So why bother with POP? Especially a bad one. -- The Best To You Yours, M.Ross All Rights Reserved ---end-of-message--- sm - ONLY AT VFEmail! - Use our Metadata Mitigator to keep your email out of the NSA's hands! $24.95 ONETIME Lifetime accounts with Privacy Features! 15GB disk! No bandwidth quotas! Commercial and Bulk Mail Options! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
IMAP (was Re: NoSquint For SeaMonkey)
... IMAP can do all POP can do, plus a lot more. So why bother with POP? Especially a bad one. To me, IMAP is dang slow compared to POP3. I usually download my emails to my local desktop. Synchronizing with the IMAP server is slow. I am spoiled by POP3 and SMTP without their synchronizations. :( -- When the ant grows wings it is about to die. --Arabic /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) Axe ANT from its address if e-mailing privately. A song (i/wa)s playing on this computer: MrSolidSnake745's Floppy Drive Orchestra - Mortal Kombat Theme ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey CPU Spin
Lee wrote: On 7/5/15, Rodney Sampson rsamp...@kc.rr.com wrote: Lee wrote: On 7/4/15, Rodney Sampson rsamp...@kc.rr.com wrote: Lee: I've been seeing this error regardless of whether or not I have a proxy used. Clues ? The PAC file is Proxy Auto Config file, so SeaMonkey shouldn't be trying to load a PAC file if it's set to directly connect to the Internet. So try this Edit / Preferences / Advanced / Proxies and select Direct connection to the Internet This is what I've been using, yet the proxy message is still present... Maybe SeaMonkey looks for the PAC file even if it isn't going to use it??? Try enabling automatic proxy config, removing the http://sourceforge ... URL info and setting it back to direct connection. Lee Exit SM, start it again, check that Direct connection to the Internet is still set (if no we need to figure out how it's being cleared) and then see if the error loading PAC file still shows up in the error console Regards, Lee Thanks Rodney Lee wrote: On 6/30/15, Rodney Sampson rsamp...@kc.rr.com wrote: All: Starting with the error console, can anyone tell me what this error means ? PAC file failed to install from http://sourceforge.net/projects/ijbswa/files/Win32/3.0.23%20%28stable%29/ Figured I'd start eliminating 1 error at a time... Edit / Preferences / Advanced / Proxies If you're using [or want to use] Privoxy you should have Manual proxy configuration checked 127.0.0.1 as the Proxy and 8118 as the port. Privoxy has to be running or you won't be able to get to the Internet otherwise Direct connection to the Internet should be checked. I'm guessing you have Automatic proxy configuration URL checked something like http://sourceforge.net/projects/ijbswa/files/Win32/3.0.23%20%28stable%29/ in the URL field Regards, Lee Cool 1 down... Failed to load native module at path 'C:\Program Files (x86)\SeaMonkey\components\xpcomsample.dll': (80520012) unknown; can't get error from NSPR Timestamp: 7/5/2015 3:39:26 PM Error: uncaught exception: 2147942487 Timestamp: 7/5/2015 3:39:50 PM Error: TypeError: browsers[i] is undefined Source File: chrome://navigator/content/tabbrowser.xml Line: 331 Here's the next 3 errors... Thanks ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: We plan to release SeaMonkey 2.35 asap in July.
Ant wrote: https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-07-07#SeaMonkey_2.35_Release What are the chances that Bug 893776 will be fixed. Unable to upgrade from SM 2.26.1 Newsgroup graphics not displaying, clicking on attachment displays text/alphanumeric, not graphic. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: NoSquint For SeaMonkey
On 07/05/2015 11:20 AM, MRoss wrote: IMAP can do all POP can do, plus a lot more. So why bother with POP? Especially a bad one. It is the only option for Verizon ISP users. I think they expect us all to use Web Mail -- Kubuntu 14.10 | KDE 4.14.1 | Thunderbird 42.0a1(Daily) Go Bucs! [Coexist · Understanding Across Divides](https://www.coexist.org/) [Visit Pittsburgh](http://www.visitpittsburgh.com) [Deutschtown Music Festival | A free full day of music July 11th, featuring 120+ live bands playing all over Deutschtown](http://deutschtownmusicfestival.org/) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Update Fails Because A 2nd Copy Is Running ???
HenriK wrote: In trying to update a copy of SM v.2.30 to the latest version on a Win7Home Premium PC, the update fails and an error message is returned claiming a 2nd version of SM is running. After a file-by-file search using Windows Explorer, I couldn't find any evidence of a 2nd copy of SM but I wasn't clear about what evidence I should have been looking for. Try looking at the Processes tab of Windows Task Manager (CTRL-SHIFT-ESC). Do you see any SeaMonkeys there? This sometimes occurs when SM doesn't shut down correctly. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Moving SM from one PC to another controlling the install folder
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: HenriK wrote: 1) I am moving my wife's SM v.2.24 files from an old XP PC to a newer Win7 PC. What is the best way to do this? -- Install v.2.24 on the Win7 PC and then copy the old profile information (mail, bookmarks, etc.) to a CD-R and then paste that old profile information into the same position on the new PC? If you go this route, be aware that files copied from a CD are automatically marked read-only by Windows, which will cause problems when SM tries to update them (e.g., by downloading mail to the Inbox file). I would suggest you copy the old folder to some other location on the target HDD (e.g., the Desktop) and mark all files as not read-only before moving them (within the same HDD) to the desired location in the \Mozilla folder. To do this: In Windows Explorer, navigate to the temporary location of the copied folder, right-click the folder name and choose Properties. On the General tab (should be the first one displayed), uncheck the Read-only box. When (I mean, if) Windows asks whether to apply the change to all files or only the folder itself, choose all files. You should also be aware that if you move the folder to a location that already contains a folder with the same name, Windows may change its name or overwrite most of the old folder (retaining files that don't have counterparts in the new folder). So it is best to rename the old folder first. Then, after you've moved the copied folder and tested SM to be sure all is well, you can delete the renamed old folder. On the other hand, if something goes wrong and it doesn't work, you can delete the new folder and unrename the old one, leaving you back where you started. Sorry, can't answer your other question authoritatively. Many thanks. I was unaware of that little wrinkle. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Moving SM from one PC to another controlling the install folder
NFN Smith wrote: HenriK wrote: 2) I believe that this is an old problem but how to I assure that SM, particularly the profile info (mail, bookmarks, etc.), is installed in the HD partition on my choice and not simply put into the same HD partition as the Win7 files? (I prefer to keep most of the OS files in their own partition rather as it makes backups easier to handle. I appreciate that some application info has to remain co-located with the OS files). Pointers to where I can find detailed info on either of these points will be most appreciated. Thanks, in advance, for any and all assistance, suggestions, or whatever. If you're working in Windows, there's two ways of going about doing that -- you can either copy data directly, or you can use a tool called MozBackup. For this, the driver is the profiles.ini file, which you'll find in %APPDATA%\Mozilla\Seamonkey. That one has all the pointers to the physical location the data. There are some users that insist on moving the profiles.ini to the new machine, and then editing that file to point to where your profile contents are actually stored. It's also a valid approach to start Seamonkey, and let it start the profile creation wizard, and then after aborting, copy the contents of the profile from the old system to the new location. One of the options in the profile manager is that it allows you to specify the location of where you're locating your data. Either approach is valid, it's just a question if you want to re-use the exact name of the profile (including the random characters), or you trust the profile manager to do it for you. If you're moving only one profile, I would be content to let the system do the work for you. However, if you're moving more than one profile, you might feel more comfortable by doing your own editing on profiles.ini. Once you have the profile created, then it's pretty easy to just copy the content of the profile from the old machine, into the new location. If you use MozBackup, you do need to have your profiles created on the new machine, before making a move. From there, when restoring a profile, MozBackup will allow you to select which profile you want to copy data into. For MozBackup, it's mostly a front-end that copies all your profile content into a .ZIP-format archive, and gives you a few parameters, including choosing which profile to copy, what parts of the profile you want to copy (if you don't want to copy it all), and an option of password-protecting the content. In the new location, the process is pretty much reversed, it's just that you have to make sure you've created (and in your case, located) profiles on the new machine. I don't currently use non-default locations for my profiles (although I have in the past), the last time I moved to a new machine, I used MozBackup do all the work, and I had multiple profiles in Seamonkey, Firefox and Thunderbird. The only hiccup I saw was that some extensions didn't get installed after the transfer (although I had all the data). Thus, I had to take a minute to reinstall several of my extensions. Whether you do your work entirely in the file system, or you allow the profile manager to create your profiles or you manually transfer profile content, or let MozBackup do it for you, any of those will work adequately, even with a non-standard location. Which method you choose is mostly going to depend where you're most comfortable. Smith Many thanks. I used the 'copy' method rather than MozBackup. Although I found finding the profile generated in the new installation and copying it to the desired disk partition a bit complicated, I got the desired result. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SeaMonkey Update Fails Because A 2nd Copy Is Running ???
In trying to update a copy of SM v.2.30 to the latest version on a Win7Home Premium PC, the update fails and an error message is returned claiming a 2nd version of SM is running. After a file-by-file search using Windows Explorer, I couldn't find any evidence of a 2nd copy of SM but I wasn't clear about what evidence I should have been looking for. What is the best way to deal with this problem that won't cause me to lose any of the existing profile data (bookmarks, mail files, etc.)and other customization? Thanks, in advance, for suggestions, pointers to tutorial material, and advice. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: NoSquint For SeaMonkey
Re: NoSquint For SeaMonkey WaltS48 wrote: On 07/05/2015 11:20 AM, MRoss wrote: IMAP can do all POP can do, plus a lot more. So why bother with POP? Especially a bad one. It is the only option for Verizon ISP users. POP may be all Verizon offers, but what prevents a Verizon ISP user from installing Seamonkey, plugging in the server names of GMX.com, VFEmail.net, Fastmail.fm, ..., going for it? I am presently accessing the inet via ATT cellular data, never use ATT email! I can use any email system I want! Not even AOL dialup blocks a user from using other email servers with a Seamonkey type email client package. I think they expect us all to use Web Mail For marketing purposes - Yes! Understandable! But not mandatory! -- The Best To You Yours, M.Ross All Rights Reserved ---end-of-message--- sm - ONLY AT VFEmail! - Use our Metadata Mitigator to keep your email out of the NSA's hands! $24.95 ONETIME Lifetime accounts with Privacy Features! 15GB disk! No bandwidth quotas! Commercial and Bulk Mail Options! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: IMAP (was Re: NoSquint For SeaMonkey)
Re: IMAP (was Re: NoSquint For SeaMonkey) Ant wrote: ... IMAP can do all POP can do, plus a lot more. So why bother with POP? Especially a bad one. To me, IMAP is dang slow compared to POP3. I usually download my emails to my local desktop. Synchronizing with the IMAP server is slow. I am spoiled by POP3 and SMTP without their synchronizations. :( Again, whatever works best for you! Matching ISP email servers email client software helps! Not all work well together. I changed email servers email client packages numerous times over the years. Even tried webmail seriously several times. Yuck! It does not help to compare an overloaded or bad IMAP server to a fast POP server, or a bad IMAP implementation / setup / design to a reasonably well made setup POP server. Any server may be slow for many reasons, not because it is IMAP or POP. I doubt under a competent test that a true IMAP is any slower than a true POP for email transfer, under duplicate conditions. I suspect they compare equally. Email client software makes a big difference too! Some email packages are not coded well to handle both POP IMAP. They are coded well to handle one much better than the other. For example: I would recommend to never use UofWash Pine/Alpine email client for any POP server, as it is known to be poorly coded for POP; it is an imitation POP code UofWash wrote. But Pine/Alpine screams under true IMAP use. I love that email package - it is fast - no graphics to slow you down loading reading high volumes of email! Fast with many IMAP folders open to jump around to. Interfaces well with a graphical browser for inline or attachments. It mimes HTML fairly well. Yet connected to a bad (proprietary) IMAP server design like Gmail or Hotmail it crumbles with all kinds of problems, because Pine/Alpine is RFC compliant - not a hack job. Complaints to the Pine/Alpine support forums continue over over for the same old Gmail Hotmail problems. Seamonkey / Mozilla can handle Gmail Hotmail (POP or IMAP servers) far better than Pine/Alpine, if those servers are so important to the user to keep them. Sylpheed seems to be a good email client package too, but I cannot claim much experience with it. And for Gmail POP IMAP servers Sylpheed offers special setup selections. Gee I wonder why? Could GMail be something other than IMAP RFC compliant? Like Proprietary? I would not blame POP for being a slow design, but it often is slow for me - using Seamonkey or otherwise, for some reason (whether Inbox.com or Yahoo.com, I used numerous other POPs over the years). All email servers I ever used, dozens, periodically were slow. I suspect email servers by the work they are expected to do are inherently slow. They all are often under tremendous work loads. Time of day makes a big difference too! And worse with POP, if the server connection breaks - I often found no recovery, start over transferring all msgs. If that doesn't slow you down tick you off nothing will! I never find POP to be useful for me! Just good for testing out setups, quick mail checking - but not downloading, etc. The fastest best overall system I found is Alpine running on Fastmail.fm, an IMAP system. I don't think Fastmail operates a POP server. They broke away from Opera Browser now, so no more nonsense! But, Use what works best for you! Am I too much off topic? -- The Best To You Yours, M.Ross All Rights Reserved ~~~ The Ends Of Gov't Can Be Viewed In Graveyards. ---end-of-message--- sm - ONLY AT VFEmail! - Use our Metadata Mitigator to keep your email out of the NSA's hands! $24.95 ONETIME Lifetime accounts with Privacy Features! 15GB disk! No bandwidth quotas! Commercial and Bulk Mail Options! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
