Re: Thank you Thank you (I'm not going crazy!!) was: Re: Seamonkey Download

2017-03-11 Thread Daniel 

On 11/03/2017 1:16 PM, Ray Davison wrote:

Daniel wrote:


Two people, apparently, haveing the same problem with the same SM
version 2.46 on the same OS (Win7) ... does that need a bug posted, I
wonder??


If you will always specify the download target, you will discover a neat
feature.  SM remembers where you specified last time by domain.  I
download to multiple sub-directories over multiple HDDs.  And the next
time I go to a domain I previously downloaded from, SM offers to put the
new file where I had it put the last one.

SM lets you put profiles, mail, downloads, where you want.  And you
don't need to wonder where it went, and stuff does not get "lost".


Thank you, Ray!

I was going to reply to you about ten minutes ago, stating that I notice 
you and I have the same User Agent string except that you "advertise 
Firefox compatibility", and I was going to ask you to turn off your 
"advertise Firefox compatibility" and re-boot SM to see if downloading 
files still worked correctly for you. But, then, I thought, I the one 
with the problem so why should I get you to do anything!


I then turned on the "advertise Firefox compatibility" function 
(Edit->Preferences->Advanced->HTTP Networking->User Agent String), 
re-booted SM, went to the SeaMonkey download page, selected en-US 
Windows version to download, got the first screen asking if I wanted to 
save the file, clicked "Download" and go a screen enabling me to select 
where I saved the file. This was the screen that I was not being offered 
previously!!


I cancelled the download, reset my prefs to not "advertise Firefox 
compatibility", re-booted SM, went to the SeaMonkey download page, 
selected en-US Windows version to download, got the first screen asking 
if I wanted to save the file, clicked "Download" and go a screen 
enabling me to select where I saved the file.


YEAH!!!

I guess, when I selected "advertise Firefox compatibility", I guess that 
might have caused SM to re-write the prefs.js file, so now it works 
again!! Yeah.


Hopefully, the OP sees this post and I remember this if/when it happens 
again!


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Re: Thank you Thank you (I'm not going crazy!!) was: Re: Seamonkey Download

2017-03-11 Thread Daniel 

On 11/03/2017 4:21 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

Daniel wrote:

On 10/03/2017 9:30 AM, MozillianMonkey wrote:

Download a file then close Seamonkey.

Now cannot find where the file went.

Seamonkey does not remember what it last did !
Seamonkey has no open last download folder or anything related.

Anyway I always use the default Seamonkey download folder but where is
it ???


Thank you, MozillianMonkey, thank you for "telling me" I'm not going
crazy!!

In late Feb (26th Feb, my time zone), I made a post here called ""Save
File" location", I stated that I was trying to download LibreOffice,
and a lot of action was occurring on my Internet connection, but I had
no indication, in SeaMonkey, of where the file was saved!

As I recall ...

1.I went to the Web Page for LibreOffice,
2.Clicked on "Download File" or some such,
3.That took me to donate.libreoffice.org and a small page opened
asking if I wanted to download the file.
4.I click "Download" or whatever 

and that was it  apart from the file actually being downloaded
somewhere!! I did not get a screen asking where I wanted the file
saved and the Download Manager did not open to indicate that a file
was being downloaded ... but I could see the activity ooccuring on my
Internet connection!

Eventually I have had to install Firefox so that I get told where my
file is being downloaded to!!

Two people, apparently, haveing the same problem with the same SM
version 2.46 on the same OS (Win7) ... does that need a bug posted, I
wonder??



Must be Win 7.

I went here



A dialog box appeared telling me I have chosen to download the file,
with the options to Save or Cancel.
I chose Save.


Yeap, follow you this far  but not what follows, which has occured 
in SM, previously, when I've downloaded files using Win7, but not, I 
think, since I installed ver 2.46.



A Windows File Explorer dialog box came up showing me the file
destination and fields for the File name and Save as type, already
filled in.
Clicking Save there, the SeaMonkey Download Manager opened showing me
the destination of the download in the status bar.
I checked Windows File Explorer and the file is there in my Downloads
folder.
I closed SeaMonkey, reopened it, checked the Download Manager and my
download still shows.

Check all of your settings as Paul suggested to MozillianMonkey.


Yeap, Walt, been there, done that (or rather not done that as that was 
how it already was!), and still doesn't work, in ver 2.46.


In my other thread, it was suggested I set up a new profile. If my 
problem is not fixed beforehand, I'll do that when the first ESR version 
(2.49, I think) comes out.


My response to this thread was mainly to indicate to the OP, 
MozillaMonkey, that s/he is not alone.


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Re: can't download SeaMonkey (insecure connection on Firefox)

2017-03-11 Thread WaltS48 

On 3/11/17 10:25 PM, Desiree wrote:

On 3/11/2017 11:17 AM, Lee wrote:

On 3/11/17, Desiree  wrote:

On 3/9/2017 2:44 AM, Simon Charles wrote:

Hi

I would love to try SeaMonkey, but I can't download it!

I am a long-term Mozilla user trying to download it from
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases - using Firefox on 
Windows 7.

Frustratingly, I just get the following 'insecure connection' warning
(with no obvious option for circumventing it):

---
Your connection is not secure
The owner of download.cdn.mozilla.net has configured their website
improperly. To protect your information from being stolen, Firefox has
not connected to this website.
This site uses HTTP Strict Transport Security (HSTS) to specify that
Firefox may only connect to it securely. As a result, it is not 
possible

to add an exception for this certificate.
Learn more...
[BUTTON] Go back  [BUTTON] Open Login Page
[BUTTON]Advanced
---


<.. snip ..>


How did you get a secure page when that site is NOT https?  In the
address bar just remove the "s" from "https" and you will be fine.


Most probably he will be fine but still, telling someone to 'just
remove the "s" from "https" and you will be fine' when downloading
software is unbelievably bad advice.  Earlier in the thread he was
given a couple https: sites where he could download seamonkey, so it's
not like http is the only option.


I can easily get the same error you got if I stick an "s" on the end of
"http" .  Here's why:


   <.. snip ..>


As you can see, the SeaMonkey site is NOT on the above list and that's
because it doesn't use "https" rather "http".  Plus, on Fx 45.8 ESR, I
can add an exception.  Even for the Mozilla sites listed above none are
Strict Transport and they better never be as that is just puffed up
nonsense.


wrong


 HTTPS where an exception can be added is sufficient but
SeaMonkey is not even using that.  SeaMonkey retains COMMON SENSE
because the entire web does NOT need to be behind HTTPS


but it would be better if the entire web was behind HTTPS


and especially
NOT behind HSTS which means I can't go to sites that have HSTS certs 
and
have them issued by Comodo or Go Daddy as I have my browsers set to 
warn

me about any site using a cert from either of those "authorities" and
then I decide if I want to make an exception or just not visit the 
site.


take a look at the certpatrol add-on


  HSTS doesn't let one make exceptions and that just further cripples
the user who wishes to reserve their own judgement about sites using
certs from certain so called authorities.  HSTS is just another way of
limiting the user


Imagine using the tor browser for surfing the web.  Does HSTS make
sense then?  How about https?
If yes, then why do you trust your ISP & whatever service provider is
between you & the download site?


and Mozilla has been going down that path for years
now with each Fx version being more and more rigid and restrictive
(might as well just merge with Chrome browser).  SeaMonkey is not doing
this to its users so it is symbolically fitting that it uses simple
"http" for its site.


I suspect it's a money/people resource problem that keeps them from
using encryption rather than a deliberate choice not to use
encryption.

Regards,
Lee

So, what do we do about content distributors?  That's the source of 
the problem.  Mozilla's download site is on Akamai and the cert is for 
Akamai which makes sense but Fx thinks it should be for Mozilla so Fx 
gets its panties in wad.  I could see this on Pale Moon 26.5.0 (x64) 
and on Opera 12.18.  The absurdity is that Fx says I should notify 
Mozilla that their cert is wrong!  No, I should use a browser that 
treats me with respect like the old Opera or Pale Moon both of which 
ask me what to do rather than assuming i am a complete blithering 
nitwit idiot regarding computers and internet safety.  Fx used to ask 
and the fact that it no longer does is further indication that Mozilla 
wants to get rid of its intelligent users (which it needs to do in 
order to merge with Chrome browser which has no intelligent users and 
treats anyone with some intelligence with disdain).



I had no problem downloading from that link using Firefox 52.0 or 53.0b1 
on Windows 10.


What am I doing wrong? I never have problems.

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Re: can't download SeaMonkey (insecure connection on Firefox)

2017-03-11 Thread Desiree 

On 3/11/2017 11:17 AM, Lee wrote:

On 3/11/17, Desiree  wrote:

On 3/9/2017 2:44 AM, Simon Charles wrote:

Hi

I would love to try SeaMonkey, but I can't download it!

I am a long-term Mozilla user trying to download it from
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases - using Firefox on Windows 7.
Frustratingly, I just get the following 'insecure connection' warning
(with no obvious option for circumventing it):

---
Your connection is not secure
The owner of download.cdn.mozilla.net has configured their website
improperly. To protect your information from being stolen, Firefox has
not connected to this website.
This site uses HTTP Strict Transport Security (HSTS) to specify that
Firefox may only connect to it securely. As a result, it is not possible
to add an exception for this certificate.
Learn more...
[BUTTON] Go back  [BUTTON] Open Login Page
[BUTTON]Advanced
---


<.. snip ..>


How did you get a secure page when that site is NOT https?  In the
address bar just remove the "s" from "https" and you will be fine.


Most probably he will be fine but still, telling someone to 'just
remove the "s" from "https" and you will be fine' when downloading
software is unbelievably bad advice.  Earlier in the thread he was
given a couple https: sites where he could download seamonkey, so it's
not like http is the only option.


I can easily get the same error you got if I stick an "s" on the end of
"http" .  Here's why:


   <.. snip ..>


As you can see, the SeaMonkey site is NOT on the above list and that's
because it doesn't use "https" rather "http".  Plus, on Fx 45.8 ESR, I
can add an exception.  Even for the Mozilla sites listed above none are
Strict Transport and they better never be as that is just puffed up
nonsense.


wrong


 HTTPS where an exception can be added is sufficient but
SeaMonkey is not even using that.  SeaMonkey retains COMMON SENSE
because the entire web does NOT need to be behind HTTPS


but it would be better if the entire web was behind HTTPS


and especially
NOT behind HSTS which means I can't go to sites that have HSTS certs and
have them issued by Comodo or Go Daddy as I have my browsers set to warn
me about any site using a cert from either of those "authorities" and
then I decide if I want to make an exception or just not visit the site.


take a look at the certpatrol add-on


  HSTS doesn't let one make exceptions and that just further cripples
the user who wishes to reserve their own judgement about sites using
certs from certain so called authorities.  HSTS is just another way of
limiting the user


Imagine using the tor browser for surfing the web.  Does HSTS make
sense then?  How about https?
If yes, then why do you trust your ISP & whatever service provider is
between you & the download site?


and Mozilla has been going down that path for years
now with each Fx version being more and more rigid and restrictive
(might as well just merge with Chrome browser).  SeaMonkey is not doing
this to its users so it is symbolically fitting that it uses simple
"http" for its site.


I suspect it's a money/people resource problem that keeps them from
using encryption rather than a deliberate choice not to use
encryption.

Regards,
Lee

So, what do we do about content distributors?  That's the source of the 
problem.  Mozilla's download site is on Akamai and the cert is for 
Akamai which makes sense but Fx thinks it should be for Mozilla so Fx 
gets its panties in wad.  I could see this on Pale Moon 26.5.0 (x64) and 
on Opera 12.18.  The absurdity is that Fx says I should notify Mozilla 
that their cert is wrong!  No, I should use a browser that treats me 
with respect like the old Opera or Pale Moon both of which ask me what 
to do rather than assuming i am a complete blithering nitwit idiot 
regarding computers and internet safety.  Fx used to ask and the fact 
that it no longer does is further indication that Mozilla wants to get 
rid of its intelligent users (which it needs to do in order to merge 
with Chrome browser which has no intelligent users and treats anyone 
with some intelligence with disdain).

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Re: can't download SeaMonkey (insecure connection on Firefox)

2017-03-11 Thread Lee 
On 3/11/17, Desiree  wrote:
> On 3/9/2017 2:44 AM, Simon Charles wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I would love to try SeaMonkey, but I can't download it!
>>
>> I am a long-term Mozilla user trying to download it from
>> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases - using Firefox on Windows 7.
>> Frustratingly, I just get the following 'insecure connection' warning
>> (with no obvious option for circumventing it):
>>
>> ---
>> Your connection is not secure
>> The owner of download.cdn.mozilla.net has configured their website
>> improperly. To protect your information from being stolen, Firefox has
>> not connected to this website.
>> This site uses HTTP Strict Transport Security (HSTS) to specify that
>> Firefox may only connect to it securely. As a result, it is not possible
>> to add an exception for this certificate.
>> Learn more...
>> [BUTTON] Go back  [BUTTON] Open Login Page
>> [BUTTON]Advanced
>> ---
>>
   <.. snip ..>

> How did you get a secure page when that site is NOT https?  In the
> address bar just remove the "s" from "https" and you will be fine.

Most probably he will be fine but still, telling someone to 'just
remove the "s" from "https" and you will be fine' when downloading
software is unbelievably bad advice.  Earlier in the thread he was
given a couple https: sites where he could download seamonkey, so it's
not like http is the only option.

> I can easily get the same error you got if I stick an "s" on the end of
> "http" .  Here's why:
>
  <.. snip ..>
>
> As you can see, the SeaMonkey site is NOT on the above list and that's
> because it doesn't use "https" rather "http".  Plus, on Fx 45.8 ESR, I
> can add an exception.  Even for the Mozilla sites listed above none are
> Strict Transport and they better never be as that is just puffed up
> nonsense.

wrong

>  HTTPS where an exception can be added is sufficient but
> SeaMonkey is not even using that.  SeaMonkey retains COMMON SENSE
> because the entire web does NOT need to be behind HTTPS

but it would be better if the entire web was behind HTTPS

> and especially
> NOT behind HSTS which means I can't go to sites that have HSTS certs and
> have them issued by Comodo or Go Daddy as I have my browsers set to warn
> me about any site using a cert from either of those "authorities" and
> then I decide if I want to make an exception or just not visit the site.

take a look at the certpatrol add-on

>   HSTS doesn't let one make exceptions and that just further cripples
> the user who wishes to reserve their own judgement about sites using
> certs from certain so called authorities.  HSTS is just another way of
> limiting the user

Imagine using the tor browser for surfing the web.  Does HSTS make
sense then?  How about https?
If yes, then why do you trust your ISP & whatever service provider is
between you & the download site?

> and Mozilla has been going down that path for years
> now with each Fx version being more and more rigid and restrictive
> (might as well just merge with Chrome browser).  SeaMonkey is not doing
> this to its users so it is symbolically fitting that it uses simple
> "http" for its site.

I suspect it's a money/people resource problem that keeps them from
using encryption rather than a deliberate choice not to use
encryption.

Regards,
Lee
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Re: Multiple profiles sharing the same email data?

2017-03-11 Thread WaltS48 

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 03/11/2017 12:18 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 03/11/2017 10:56 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

I have three profiles whose only distinction is how they handle web
activities.

One is my default, day to day, preferences. Primary characteristic is
browsing without commonly abused HTML "features" such as cookies,
JavaScript, an backgrounds that make a site unreadable.

The second is set to match the wishes of my bank.

The third will be used as a remote terminal to administer the church's
website.

I want separate histories and bookmarks for each.

I wish to access all my emails and newsgroups from each.
Can I? Preferably simply and conveniently ;/
TIA






Or you can figure out all of the email only files and folders from your
profile that has mail, and copy and paste them into the other 2
profiles.


Phrased that way, I don't think it would be quite right.
I wish to access all email/newsgroup folders from all profiles showing
identical content.

But you got me thinking. What if profiles "B" and "C" had links to the
mail/newsgroup folders of profile "A"? Needs some thought and testing
in a safe environment - I've crashed my OS twice in three days ;)


Make backups of all profiles before tinkering.


*grin*
Didn't work. Not to say it's not possible just that it's not simple.




Plan B.

Profile A has your Mail & Newsgroups accounts, profiles B and C don't. 
Correct?


Open Profile A.
Open the Mail & Newsgroups Window.
Go back to the Browser window.
Enter about:profiles into the address bar.
Select Profile B or Profile C, and click the "Launch profile in new 
browser" button.
You will probably have to disable the Make SeaMonkey the default email 
prompt. I did.

Go back to Browser A, select File > Close to close that window.
Repeat to open another profile while having the Mail window open at all 
times.


Bottom line is you only really need one profile for mail, and you can 
use as many as you need for the Browser window.


Both Plan A and Plan B would work for me.




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Re: W3C compliance: a novel response

2017-03-11 Thread Lee 
On 3/11/17, Paul B. Gallagher  wrote:
> When I complained about bad browser sniffing at one of my favorite
> websites:
>
>> I've never understood why web designers prefer to waste time writing
>> several custom versions of their code for several different browsers
>> instead of just writing one W3C-compliant version, but whatever.
>> I'll just keep dismissing the useless nag and go on about my life.
>
> tech support wrote back:
>
>> The reason why websites tend not to be W3C-compliant is that while
>> it may be optimal to do so, it is very costly and takes up a lot of
>> resources.
>>
>> Unfortunately, we currently do not have sufficient resources to do
>> so yet. But we'll definitely aim towards improving it and making it
>> more accessible to everyone.
>>
>> Sorry for the inconvenience. If you have any other questions, please
>> let me know!
>
> First time I've heard that one -- it's more expensive to write
> W3C-compliant code than to write several custom versions for supported
> browsers.

It's probably cheaper to hire three adequate developers than one good one.

Lee
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Re: Weird error from viki.com (SOLVED)

2017-03-11 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

Geoff Welsh wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Please write me off-list. It should be obvious to a human being how
to change my munged email to a valid one.


Sorry, guess I'm not human.  Tried several things that seemed
obvious.


How about you replace the string "dash" with a hyphen, often called 
"dash" when reading email addresses aloud?


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Re: W3C compliance: a novel response

2017-03-11 Thread Geoff Welsh 

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

When I complained about bad browser sniffing at one of my favorite
websites:


I've never understood why web designers prefer to waste time writing
several custom versions of their code for several different browsers
instead of just writing one W3C-compliant version, but whatever.
I'll just keep dismissing the useless nag and go on about my life.


tech support wrote back:


The reason why websites tend not to be W3C-compliant is that while
it may be optimal to do so, it is very costly and takes up a lot of
resources.

Unfortunately, we currently do not have sufficient resources to do
so yet. But we'll definitely aim towards improving it and making it
more accessible to everyone.

Sorry for the inconvenience. If you have any other questions, please
let me know!


First time I've heard that one -- it's more expensive to write
W3C-compliant code than to write several custom versions for supported
browsers.



They would have to start over, instead of just changing little things, 
here and there, along the way, to the system they have now.  Makes sense 
to me.  I used to know several people with that same story about CSS. 
They had hundreds on top of 100's of tables and font tags and always 
said, "yeah, I'm going to be getting to learning CSS some day".

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Is it me or does importing VCF contacts NOT get all datas?

2017-03-11 Thread Ant 

Oops, I missed a keyword. I was way too tired last night. ;)


On 3/10/2017 9:35 PM, Ant wrote:

Like phone numbers into SeaMonkey v2.46's addressbooks.

Thank you in advance. :)

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Re: Weird error from viki.com (SOLVED)

2017-03-11 Thread Geoff Welsh 

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

.


OT -- my wife is Korean and used to go to this site a lot to watch
Korean movies.


I edit the English subtitles there, have seen 2,969 episodes and 62
movies (there and elsewhere) since 2008.

제 인사를 부인에게 보내주십시오.



PBG, Any good cop shows you could recommend?  I am USA based, but love
the UK ones, maybe something good in Korea?


Please write me off-list. It should be obvious to a human being how to
change my munged email to a valid one.


Sorry, guess I'm not human.  Tried several things that seemed obvious.

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Re: Multiple profiles sharing the same email data?

2017-03-11 Thread Richard Owlett 

On 03/11/2017 12:18 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 03/11/2017 10:56 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

I have three profiles whose only distinction is how they handle web
activities.

One is my default, day to day, preferences. Primary characteristic is
browsing without commonly abused HTML "features" such as cookies,
JavaScript, an backgrounds that make a site unreadable.

The second is set to match the wishes of my bank.

The third will be used as a remote terminal to administer the church's
website.

I want separate histories and bookmarks for each.

I wish to access all my emails and newsgroups from each.
Can I? Preferably simply and conveniently ;/
TIA



Well, I would create a separate profile for mail, then open it, go to
Edit > Preferences > Appearance and set "When SeaMonkey starts up,
open", remove the check mark for "Browser" and check "Mail &
Newsgroups".

Then Quit, and restart using that profile in a separate window from any
of the other 3 setups. The I could open any of the others using their
profiles and my mail would be available.

Obviously the new mail profile would have no settings, so to easily fix
that I would copy the profile that currently has my email accounts
setup, from the profile that does have email accounts, to the mail
profile and live happily ever after.

Wait, let me try that. Oops, create the profile first, then copy the
contents of the profile that currently has your email accounts to the
new mail only profile.

Start SeaMonkey with that profile, change the "When SeaMonkey starts up,
open" setting, and from there forward that profile will only open with
the Mail & Newsgroups window.

Tested and verified to work as this message proves.

Sort of like having Firefox and Thunderbird. ;)


That is model I wish to avoid!


That model allows you to open all three browser profiles and  the mail
profile in separate windows.

Mail & Newsgroups already opens in a separate window when launched, so
you sort of have that model anyway.





Or you can figure out all of the email only files and folders from your
profile that has mail, and copy and paste them into the other 2
profiles.


Phrased that way, I don't think it would be quite right.
I wish to access all email/newsgroup folders from all profiles showing
identical content.

But you got me thinking. What if profiles "B" and "C" had links to the
mail/newsgroup folders of profile "A"? Needs some thought and testing
in a safe environment - I've crashed my OS twice in three days ;)


Make backups of all profiles before tinkering.


*grin*
Didn't work. Not to say it's not possible just that it's not simple.


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Re: Multiple profiles sharing the same email data?

2017-03-11 Thread WaltS48 

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 03/11/2017 10:56 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

I have three profiles whose only distinction is how they handle web
activities.

One is my default, day to day, preferences. Primary characteristic is
browsing without commonly abused HTML "features" such as cookies,
JavaScript, an backgrounds that make a site unreadable.

The second is set to match the wishes of my bank.

The third will be used as a remote terminal to administer the church's
website.

I want separate histories and bookmarks for each.

I wish to access all my emails and newsgroups from each.
Can I? Preferably simply and conveniently ;/
TIA



Well, I would create a separate profile for mail, then open it, go to
Edit > Preferences > Appearance and set "When SeaMonkey starts up,
open", remove the check mark for "Browser" and check "Mail & 
Newsgroups".


Then Quit, and restart using that profile in a separate window from any
of the other 3 setups. The I could open any of the others using their
profiles and my mail would be available.

Obviously the new mail profile would have no settings, so to easily fix
that I would copy the profile that currently has my email accounts
setup, from the profile that does have email accounts, to the mail
profile and live happily ever after.

Wait, let me try that. Oops, create the profile first, then copy the
contents of the profile that currently has your email accounts to the
new mail only profile.

Start SeaMonkey with that profile, change the "When SeaMonkey starts up,
open" setting, and from there forward that profile will only open with
the Mail & Newsgroups window.

Tested and verified to work as this message proves.

Sort of like having Firefox and Thunderbird. ;)


That is model I wish to avoid!


That model allows you to open all three browser profiles and  the mail 
profile in separate windows.


Mail & Newsgroups already opens in a separate window when launched, so 
you sort of have that model anyway.






Or you can figure out all of the email only files and folders from your
profile that has mail, and copy and paste them into the other 2 
profiles.


Phrased that way, I don't think it would be quite right.
I wish to access all email/newsgroup folders from all profiles showing 
identical content.


But you got me thinking. What if profiles "B" and "C" had links to the 
mail/newsgroup folders of profile "A"? Needs some thought and testing 
in a safe environment - I've crashed my OS twice in three days ;)



Make backups of all profiles before tinkering.
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Re: Multiple profiles sharing the same email data?

2017-03-11 Thread Ed Mullen 
On 3/11/2017 at 10:32 AM, Richard Owlett's prodigious digits fired off 
with great aplomb:

I have three profiles whose only distinction is how they handle web
activities.

One is my default, day to day, preferences. Primary characteristic is
browsing without commonly abused HTML "features" such as cookies,
JavaScript, an backgrounds that make a site unreadable.

The second is set to match the wishes of my bank.

The third will be used as a remote terminal to administer the church's
website.

I want separate histories and bookmarks for each.

I wish to access all my emails and newsgroups from each.
Can I? Preferably simply and conveniently ;/
TIA


Yes.  Simply create the same mail/news accounts in each profile.

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Re: Multiple profiles sharing the same email data?

2017-03-11 Thread Richard Owlett 

On 03/11/2017 10:56 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

I have three profiles whose only distinction is how they handle web
activities.

One is my default, day to day, preferences. Primary characteristic is
browsing without commonly abused HTML "features" such as cookies,
JavaScript, an backgrounds that make a site unreadable.

The second is set to match the wishes of my bank.

The third will be used as a remote terminal to administer the church's
website.

I want separate histories and bookmarks for each.

I wish to access all my emails and newsgroups from each.
Can I? Preferably simply and conveniently ;/
TIA



Well, I would create a separate profile for mail, then open it, go to
Edit > Preferences > Appearance and set "When SeaMonkey starts up,
open", remove the check mark for "Browser" and check "Mail & Newsgroups".

Then Quit, and restart using that profile in a separate window from any
of the other 3 setups. The I could open any of the others using their
profiles and my mail would be available.

Obviously the new mail profile would have no settings, so to easily fix
that I would copy the profile that currently has my email accounts
setup, from the profile that does have email accounts, to the mail
profile and live happily ever after.

Wait, let me try that. Oops, create the profile first, then copy the
contents of the profile that currently has your email accounts to the
new mail only profile.

Start SeaMonkey with that profile, change the "When SeaMonkey starts up,
open" setting, and from there forward that profile will only open with
the Mail & Newsgroups window.

Tested and verified to work as this message proves.

Sort of like having Firefox and Thunderbird. ;)


That is model I wish to avoid!



Or you can figure out all of the email only files and folders from your
profile that has mail, and copy and paste them into the other 2 profiles.


Phrased that way, I don't think it would be quite right.
I wish to access all email/newsgroup folders from all profiles showing 
identical content.


But you got me thinking. What if profiles "B" and "C" had links to the 
mail/newsgroup folders of profile "A"? Needs some thought and testing in 
a safe environment - I've crashed my OS twice in three days ;)


BTW nobody ever hinted I was normal.
Thank you.


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Re: Multiple profiles sharing the same email data?

2017-03-11 Thread David E. Ross 
On 3/11/2017 9:22 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 03/11/2017 10:50 AM, Ray_Net wrote:
>> Richard Owlett wrote on 11-03-17 16:32:
>>> I have three profiles whose only distinction is how they handle web
>>> activities.
>>>
>>> One is my default, day to day, preferences. Primary characteristic is
>>> browsing without commonly abused HTML "features" such as cookies,
>>> JavaScript, an backgrounds that make a site unreadable.
>>>
>>> The second is set to match the wishes of my bank.
>>>
>>> The third will be used as a remote terminal to administer the church's
>>> website.
>>>
>>> I want separate histories and bookmarks for each.
>>>
>>> I wish to access all my emails and newsgroups from each.
>>> Can I? Preferably simply and conveniently ;/
>>> TIA
>> My idea is: Use Thunderbird for mail and newsgroup
> 
> No thanks. I'm a suite fanatic dating from days of Netscape 4.x and set 
> in my ways ;/
> Thank you.
> 

By using SeaMonkey for Web browsing and Thunderbird for E-mail and
newsgroups, I can switch browsing profiles -- which I do frequently --
without terminating my current E-mail and newsgroup session.

-- 
David E. Ross


Paraphrasing Mark Twain, who was quoting someone else:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and
alternative truths.
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Re: Multiple profiles sharing the same email data?

2017-03-11 Thread Richard Owlett 

On 03/11/2017 10:50 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote on 11-03-17 16:32:

I have three profiles whose only distinction is how they handle web
activities.

One is my default, day to day, preferences. Primary characteristic is
browsing without commonly abused HTML "features" such as cookies,
JavaScript, an backgrounds that make a site unreadable.

The second is set to match the wishes of my bank.

The third will be used as a remote terminal to administer the church's
website.

I want separate histories and bookmarks for each.

I wish to access all my emails and newsgroups from each.
Can I? Preferably simply and conveniently ;/
TIA

My idea is: Use Thunderbird for mail and newsgroup


No thanks. I'm a suite fanatic dating from days of Netscape 4.x and set 
in my ways ;/

Thank you.
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Re: Multiple profiles sharing the same email data?

2017-03-11 Thread WaltS48 

Richard Owlett wrote:

I have three profiles whose only distinction is how they handle web
activities.

One is my default, day to day, preferences. Primary characteristic is
browsing without commonly abused HTML "features" such as cookies,
JavaScript, an backgrounds that make a site unreadable.

The second is set to match the wishes of my bank.

The third will be used as a remote terminal to administer the church's
website.

I want separate histories and bookmarks for each.

I wish to access all my emails and newsgroups from each.
Can I? Preferably simply and conveniently ;/
TIA



Well, I would create a separate profile for mail, then open it, go to 
Edit > Preferences > Appearance and set "When SeaMonkey starts up, 
open", remove the check mark for "Browser" and check "Mail & Newsgroups".


Then Quit, and restart using that profile in a separate window from any 
of the other 3 setups. The I could open any of the others using their 
profiles and my mail would be available.


Obviously the new mail profile would have no settings, so to easily fix 
that I would copy the profile that currently has my email accounts 
setup, from the profile that does have email accounts, to the mail 
profile and live happily ever after.


Wait, let me try that. Oops, create the profile first, then copy the 
contents of the profile that currently has your email accounts to the 
new mail only profile.


Start SeaMonkey with that profile, change the "When SeaMonkey starts up, 
open" setting, and from there forward that profile will only open with 
the Mail & Newsgroups window.


Tested and verified to work as this message proves.

Sort of like having Firefox and Thunderbird. ;)

Or you can figure out all of the email only files and folders from your 
profile that has mail, and copy and paste them into the other 2 profiles.

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Re: Multiple profiles sharing the same email data?

2017-03-11 Thread Ray_Net 

Richard Owlett wrote on 11-03-17 16:32:
I have three profiles whose only distinction is how they handle web 
activities.


One is my default, day to day, preferences. Primary characteristic is 
browsing without commonly abused HTML "features" such as cookies, 
JavaScript, an backgrounds that make a site unreadable.


The second is set to match the wishes of my bank.

The third will be used as a remote terminal to administer the church's 
website.


I want separate histories and bookmarks for each.

I wish to access all my emails and newsgroups from each.
Can I? Preferably simply and conveniently ;/
TIA

My idea is: Use Thunderbird for mail and newsgroup
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Multiple profiles sharing the same email data?

2017-03-11 Thread Richard Owlett 
I have three profiles whose only distinction is how they handle web 
activities.


One is my default, day to day, preferences. Primary characteristic is 
browsing without commonly abused HTML "features" such as cookies, 
JavaScript, an backgrounds that make a site unreadable.


The second is set to match the wishes of my bank.

The third will be used as a remote terminal to administer the church's 
website.


I want separate histories and bookmarks for each.

I wish to access all my emails and newsgroups from each.
Can I? Preferably simply and conveniently ;/
TIA
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Comtacts

2017-03-11 Thread F Murtz 
I have just changed from telstra to an FTTP NBN provider which means no 
more bigpong email address so I just want to move my address book.
when I want hotmail I just go www.hotmail and eventually starts outlook 
mail and I want my address book available.


Or the best method of using web based email, (and my address book?
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Re: Cannot compile 2.46

2017-03-11 Thread Frank-Rainer Grahl 
Did you compile 2.40 before you tried 2.46? Compiling it needs a specifc 
configuration file in the source directory. Either mozconfig or .mozconfig 
need to be there.


FRG

P. H. Madore wrote:

Here is moz.configure:

# -*- Mode: python; c-basic-offset: 4; indent-tabs-mode: nil; tab-width: 40
-*-
# vim: set filetype=python:
# This Source Code Form is subject to the terms of the Mozilla Public
# License, v. 2.0. If a copy of the MPL was not distributed with this
# file, You can obtain one at http://mozilla.org/MPL/2.0/.

include('mozilla/moz.configure')

I don't see a file called .mozconfig.

I also did not check out anything, I only downloaded the source tarball
from Seamonkey-Project.org

*phm* 

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 1:04 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl  wrote:


configure: error: cannot determine icu version number from uvernum.h
header file


Post you .mozconfig file. It looks like it probably tries to use the icu
system filens and not the ones provided in the mozilla tree. Did you do a
make client.mk checkout in the 2.46 comm-release dir?

FRG

P. H. Madore wrote:


This is a new issue for me. I was using 2.40 until today. Now I can't use
anything. Something about "old-configure." Here is the complete
configuration log:

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Re: can't download SeaMonkey (insecure connection on Firefox)

2017-03-11 Thread Desiree 

On 3/9/2017 2:44 AM, Simon Charles wrote:

Hi

I would love to try SeaMonkey, but I can't download it!

I am a long-term Mozilla user trying to download it from
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases - using Firefox on Windows 7.
Frustratingly, I just get the following 'insecure connection' warning
(with no obvious option for circumventing it):

---
Your connection is not secure
The owner of download.cdn.mozilla.net has configured their website
improperly. To protect your information from being stolen, Firefox has
not connected to this website.
This site uses HTTP Strict Transport Security (HSTS) to specify that
Firefox may only connect to it securely. As a result, it is not possible
to add an exception for this certificate.
Learn more...
[BUTTON] Go back  [BUTTON] Open Login Page
[BUTTON]Advanced
---

which gives the impression that Firefox doesn't want you to download
SeaMonkey, that one part of Mozilla is not a good fit with another part.

The advice given in the Windows Installation Instructions on
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall (text below)
is no help if there is no advice on getting beyond the warning page.

---
Note: Windows may warn you that it could not verify the publisher when
you try to run the installer. This is because the SeaMonkey installer
for Windows is not digitally signed. As long as you downloaded the
installer from either www.seamonkey-project.org or mozilla.org, you can
safely ignore it (more experienced users may use the checksums linked to
from the download pages to verify the integrity of the installer).
---

Looking forward to trying SeaMonkey - and seeing an update on the
Documentation so that other people don't get put off and abandon trying
to download it (as I nearly have been).

Thanks

SC
How did you get a secure page when that site is NOT https?  In the 
address bar just remove the "s" from "https" and you will be fine.


I can easily get the same error you got if I stick an "s" on the end of 
"http" .  Here's why:


"www.seamonkey-project.org uses an invalid security certificate. The 
certificate is only valid for the following names: 
static-san.mozilla.org, addons.mozilla.com, 
autoconfig-live.mozillamessaging.com, autoconfig.thunderbird.net, 
broker-live.mozillamessaging.com, live.mozillamessaging.com, 
live.thunderbird.net, nightly.mozilla.org, getfirefox.com, 
www.getfirefox.com, opensearch-live.mozillamessaging.com, 
dnt.mozilla.org, support.live.mozillamessaging.com, firefox.com, 
www.firefox.com, apps.mozillalabs.com, webmaker.mozillalabs.com, 
support.mozillamessaging.com, heatmap.mozillalabs.com, 
videos-cdn.mozilla.net, videos.mozilla.org, planet.mozilla.org, 
publicsuffix.org, www.publicsuffix.org, static.mozilla.com, mozilla.com, 
www.mozilla.com, activations.mozilla.com, activations.mozilla.org, 
firefoxflicks.com, www.firefoxflicks.com, aurora.mozilla.org, 
beta.mozilla.org, pontoon.mozillalabs.com, sso.mozilla.com, 
openstandard.org, openstandard.com, theopenstandard.net, 
www.openstandard.org, www.openstandard.com, www.theopenstandard.net, 
contribute.mozilla.org, www.bugzilla.org, bugzilla.org, 
firefoxflicks.org, www.firefoxflicks.org, friends.mozilla.org, 
content.mozilla.org, tlscanary.mozilla.org, trackertest.org, 
itisatracker.org, itisatracker.com, product-details.mozilla.org, 
careers.mozilla.com, forums.mozilla.org, bzr.mozilla.org, 
join.mozilla.org, thehub.mozilla.com, git.mozilla.org, 
affiliates.mozilla.org, openstandard.mozilla.org, contributejson.org, 
input.mozilla.org, input.mozilla.com, masterfirefoxos.mozilla.org, 
moztrap.mozilla.org, designlanguage.mozilla.org, oneanddone.mozilla.org, 
mobilepartners.mozilla.org, leandatapractices.org, 
leandatapractices.com, mozilla.org.uk, ask.mozilla.org, 
www-archive.mozilla.org, website-archive.mozilla.org"


As you can see, the SeaMonkey site is NOT on the above list and that's 
because it doesn't use "https" rather "http".  Plus, on Fx 45.8 ESR, I 
can add an exception.  Even for the Mozilla sites listed above none are 
Strict Transport and they better never be as that is just puffed up 
nonsense.  HTTPS where an exception can be added is sufficient but 
SeaMonkey is not even using that.  SeaMonkey retains COMMON SENSE 
because the entire web does NOT need to be behind HTTPS and especially 
NOT behind HSTS which means I can't go to sites that have HSTS certs and 
have them issued by Comodo or Go Daddy as I have my browsers set to warn 
me about any site using a cert from either of those "authorities" and 
then I decide if I want to make an exception or just not visit the site. 
 HSTS doesn't let one make exceptions and that just further cripples 
the user who wishes to reserve their own judgement about sites using 
certs from certain so called authorities.  HSTS is just another way of 
limiting the user and Mozilla has been going down

W3C compliance: a novel response

2017-03-11 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

When I complained about bad browser sniffing at one of my favorite websites:


I've never understood why web designers prefer to waste time writing
several custom versions of their code for several different browsers
instead of just writing one W3C-compliant version, but whatever.
I'll just keep dismissing the useless nag and go on about my life.


tech support wrote back:


The reason why websites tend not to be W3C-compliant is that while
it may be optimal to do so, it is very costly and takes up a lot of
resources.

Unfortunately, we currently do not have sufficient resources to do
so yet. But we'll definitely aim towards improving it and making it
more accessible to everyone.

Sorry for the inconvenience. If you have any other questions, please
let me know!


First time I've heard that one -- it's more expensive to write 
W3C-compliant code than to write several custom versions for supported 
browsers.


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