Re: Problems with migrating addressbooks and folders from 1.1.18 to 2.0

[John Boyle]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

John Boyle wrote:

To Daniel: Well, I must have done something wrong, as I managed to
delete the profile as you suggested, plus all my 1.1.18 DATA!


That's strange as well, but maybe you deleted the whole "Mozilla" 
folder instead of just the "SeaMonkey" one below it - and the 
"Mozilla" one contains _all_ profile of _all_ Mozilla-based 
applications, be it SeaMonkey 1.x, 2.x or even (if ever installed) 
Firefox, Thunderbird, or whatever.


By the way, such errors are why I suggested _renaming_ in my post, not 
deleting. I know how easy it is to delete the wrong thing. And 
renaming has the advantage of being able to rename it back.
(Also, having backups of all data is a very good suggestion, as not 
only personal errors can destroy data, programming errors or hardware 
failures can cause that as well, and having a place to restore data 
from can be very helpful.)


If you're in the hard position that you really need to start up clean 
because your data is lost, you should try to do that on 2.0.1 though, 
so that you don't need to upgrade from 1.x to 2.x another time later on.


Robert Kaiser
To Robert Kaiser: Well, I had a man I trust come and clean out the 
mangled internet situation, and reinstalled 1.1.18, and downloaded 2.0. 
Now, before I do anything , I wanted to let you know I have almost 
nothing on this reconstituted version. Would everything transfer over to 
2.0 if I were to reinstall 2.0, now? :-\

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Re: Problems with migrating addressbooks and folders from 1.1.18 to 2.0

[John Boyle]

Daniel wrote:
> John Boyle wrote:
>> To Robert Kaiser, Leonidas Jones, NoOp, Mark Hansen: Clean slate, new
>> thread. However, it does have to start with the suggestions of Robert
>> Kaiser. First, I reinstalled 2.0, it seems the profile and the bookmarks
>> were still there from my first attempt, which did not allow me to
>> migrate everything that had to do with addressbooks or even Local
>> Folders.
>> 1.Your followup suggestion to do something with the 2.0 profile, so that
>> I could start over, I am afraid I cannot figure out where the info is to
>> either delete or whatever, so that I could get a clean install and start
>> over again! That is one continuing problem that I think I will just have
>> to do manually, by typing the addresses all over again, into the 2.0
>> addressbook!
> 
> John, when you removed SM 2.0, did you remove it's profile as well??
> *NOTE*  When you originally installed SM 2.0 it made a copy of your SM
> 1.1.18 profile, and when you deleted SM 2.0, it would not have removed
> this profile, so when you re-installed SM 2.0, it would have found this
> profile.
> 
> To find it, in SM 2.0, have a look at Edit > Mail & Newsgroup Account
> Setting, and, at the bottom of the "Server Settings" page, there is the
> Local Direction location. This should be where your SM 2.0 profile is
> stored.
> 
> Close SM 2.0, including the Quick Launch feature (if it's still there),
> delete the profile (using Windows Explorer or whatever) then use the
> Windows Program Remover to get rid of SM 2.0, then re-install SM 2.0 to
> get an up-to-date copy of your SM 1.1.18 profile
> 
> Daniel
> 
>>  2.Then I discovered, even after I set up the newsgroup
>> for Mozilla support.seamonkey, that I could not use that one in ver. 2.0
>> to enter any messages! NOW, that one I bet, is because I did not
>> activate something in 2.0, and, may have to do with the fact that 1.1.18
>> is still my default browser, even though the desktop ICON always brings
>> up 2.0! How do I correct that, please?3. Another point is, the
>> folders where incoming mail and newsgroups should be directed to, is
>> there such a thing anymore as "Local Folders"? If so, how do I activate
>> it? :-\
> 
To Daniel: Well, I must have done something wrong, as I managed to
delete the profile as you suggested, plus all my 1.1.18 DATA! I cannot
blame this on 2.0, just my NOT really understanding how to and so, now I
 no longer have ANY book marks, nor any addressbooks either! But, as you
can see, I did get my basic 1.1.18 restarted, and what I am going to
have to do, is now wait until I start receiving things to re-constitute
all my data! The newsgroup IS accessible, as you can see, and I will
have to completely resetup it entirely! Then I will see about any
changeover, as this process is going to take some time to get it roughly
back the way I had it before! If I am not mistaken, there should be a
way to get the addressbooks back, even with a deleted profile, but I
have forgotten how, can someone help me with that?
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Re: Problems with migrating addressbooks and folders from 1.1.18 to 2.0

[John Boyle]

Daniel wrote:
> John Boyle wrote:
>> To Robert Kaiser, Leonidas Jones, NoOp, Mark Hansen: Clean slate, new
>> thread. However, it does have to start with the suggestions of Robert
>> Kaiser. First, I reinstalled 2.0, it seems the profile and the bookmarks
>> were still there from my first attempt, which did not allow me to
>> migrate everything that had to do with addressbooks or even Local
>> Folders.
>> 1.Your followup suggestion to do something with the 2.0 profile, so that
>> I could start over, I am afraid I cannot figure out where the info is to
>> either delete or whatever, so that I could get a clean install and start
>> over again! That is one continuing problem that I think I will just have
>> to do manually, by typing the addresses all over again, into the 2.0
>> addressbook!
> 
> John, when you removed SM 2.0, did you remove it's profile as well??
> *NOTE*  When you originally installed SM 2.0 it made a copy of your SM
> 1.1.18 profile, and when you deleted SM 2.0, it would not have removed
> this profile, so when you re-installed SM 2.0, it would have found this
> profile.
> 
> To find it, in SM 2.0, have a look at Edit > Mail & Newsgroup Account
> Setting, and, at the bottom of the "Server Settings" page, there is the
> Local Direction location. This should be where your SM 2.0 profile is
> stored.
> 
> Close SM 2.0, including the Quick Launch feature (if it's still there),
> delete the profile (using Windows Explorer or whatever) then use the
> Windows Program Remover to get rid of SM 2.0, then re-install SM 2.0 to
> get an up-to-date copy of your SM 1.1.18 profile
> 
> Daniel
> 
>>  2.Then I discovered, even after I set up the newsgroup
>> for Mozilla support.seamonkey, that I could not use that one in ver. 2.0
>> to enter any messages! NOW, that one I bet, is because I did not
>> activate something in 2.0, and, may have to do with the fact that 1.1.18
>> is still my default browser, even though the desktop ICON always brings
>> up 2.0! How do I correct that, please?3. Another point is, the
>> folders where incoming mail and newsgroups should be directed to, is
>> there such a thing anymore as "Local Folders"? If so, how do I activate
>> it? :-\
> 
To Daniel: Well, I must have done something wrong, as I managed to
delete the profile as you suggested, plus all my 1.1.18 DATA! I cannot
blame this on 2.0, just my NOT really understanding how to and so, now I
 no longer have ANY book marks, nor any addressbooks either! But, as you
can see, I did get my basic 1.1.18 restarted, and what I am going to
have to do, is now wait until I start receiving things to re-constitute
all my data! The newsgroup IS accessible, as you can see, and I will
have to completely resetup it entirely! Then I will see about any
changeover, as this process is going to take some time to get it roughly
back the way I had it before! If I am not mistaken, there should be a
way to get the addressbooks back, even with a deleted profile, but I
have forgotten how, can someone help me with that?
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Problems with migrating addressbooks and folders from 1.1.18 to 2.0

[John Boyle]

To Robert Kaiser, Leonidas Jones, NoOp, Mark Hansen: Clean slate, new
thread. However, it does have to start with the suggestions of Robert
Kaiser. First, I reinstalled 2.0, it seems the profile and the bookmarks
were still there from my first attempt, which did not allow me to
migrate everything that had to do with addressbooks or even Local
Folders.

  
1.Your followup suggestion to do something with the 2.0 profile, so that
I could start over, I am afraid I cannot figure out where the info is to
either delete or whatever, so that I could get a clean install and start
over again! That is one continuing problem that I think I will just have
to do manually, by typing the addresses all over again, into the 2.0
addressbook!  2.Then I discovered, even after I set up the newsgroup
for Mozilla support.seamonkey, that I could not use that one in ver. 2.0
to enter any messages! NOW, that one I bet, is because I did not
activate something in 2.0, and, may have to do with the fact that 1.1.18
is still my default browser, even though the desktop ICON always brings
up 2.0! How do I correct that, please?3. Another point is, the
folders where incoming mail and newsgroups should be directed to, is
there such a thing anymore as "Local Folders"? If so, how do I activate
it? :-\
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Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .

[John Boyle]

NoOp wrote:
> On 12/11/2009 08:10 PM, John Boyle wrote:
>
>   
>> To Robert Kaiser: I have to laugh because you finally made a funny but
>> not really sarcastic joke! I spent 21 years in the Army, 
>> 
>
> I'll only say this once:
>
> Stop.
>
> Nobody cares that you spent 21 years in the Army (I spent over 10 years
> in the US Army and I'm a Vietnam Vet... that along with my BSM and/or my
> VCG plus $5 will get me a cup of coffee now days).
>   You do know what a BSM is don't you? How about a VCG?
> The fact that you keep bringing this up is embarassing to all of the
> rest of us military veterans (and there are many from many countries
> that frequent this group and/or support list).
>
> You have, for a very long time, harrassed this list with similar posts.
> Folks have tried their best to assist you (archives will show), but you
> continue to blast back with these posts.
>
> *Please* if you'd like help with SeaMonkey, limit your posts to a
> subject with the problem issue, a clear definition of what the problem
> is, and *then* perhaps someone can assist.
>
> Your continued attacks on developers, other users that try to assist
> you, and the world in general just isn't working. If you persist then:
> 1) people will simply killfile you and ignore any further posts from you
> (anyone need instructions on how to do this?), 2) someone will
> eventually blast back with a flame regarding your posts... and I don't
> thing anyone here wishes to see that, or 3) someone will take the
> initiative and simply remove you/block you from the group/list. You can
> then wander off to IE/other browser/email land and nobody will give a hoot.
> Please see:
> http://www.mozilla.org/community/etiquette.html
>
> As for your repeated attacks on Robert Kaiser; I realize he needs no
> defense here but I'll say my 2 cents:
> Robert/Kairo is a lynchpin for this project and repeatedly gives his
> time and effort to SeaMonkey. My guess is, that were it not for Robert's
> efforts, SeaMonkey would pretty much be dead by now [1].
>
> SeaMonkey 2.x, with perhaps the problems with *some* 1.1.18 profile
> migration, and the form manager issue, is in my opinion probably the
> best thing that has ever happened to SeaMonkey. And yes Virginia, I
> still have my original Netscape floppy along with my original Netscape
> license.
>
> So give it a rest folks; work with the
> people/developers/user-testers/others that brought SeaMonkey 2.x to
> life. Help resolve issues, file bug reports as you find them, and
> perhaps most of all remember that this is "mozilla.support.seamonkey".
>
> [1]
> Before anyone chimes in about icons etc., I too have had my difference
> of opinions with Robert, but I'll tell you what; I sincerely appreciate
> his continued efforts, work, and promotion of SeaMonkey as well of the
> excellent efforts of all SeaMonkey volunteers.
>  Yes, I'd like to see the download icons changed... they will in time.
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To NoOp: STOP YOURSELF: I finally say something reasonable and , I must
say very personal, and you want to go off in a tangent! It so happens I
have a BSM, myself and a few others besides: I only mentioned that and
other parts of the statement because Robert Kaiser DID make a funny, and
I was letting him know I appreciated it! I have never pushed my being a
Vet on anyone on this newsgroup, only made strong mention of my health
and why I got angry! I was trying to GIVE IT A REST, and he even did
send me some information on exactly what I needed, but I again ran into
trouble! I intend starting a new thread, without CAPS, if I can, going
over my problems with the addressbook migration! Ironically, I cannot
even send any messages to the newsgroup in 2.0, and that is why I am
doing so here and now! As for Linux, that was not meant as any slam, but
the so-called local help, here where I live, is even worse than anything
I have said about 2.0!! :-(

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Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .

[John Boyle]

Robert Kaiser wrote:
> John Boyle wrote:
>> you just seem to be as Imperial Minded as
>> the Kaiser was in WWI!
>
> Right, that's why he had already introduced UK-style democracy in
> mostz parts of his monarchy.
>
> Interestingly, you haven't understood yet that joking on someone's
> name will not make him like you better, though I thought that was
> something most people learn e.g. in the Army. Perhaps it was the Navy
> where people learned the really useful things in life, then.
>
> Let's discuss real facts once your blood has stopped Boyling, OK?
>
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To Robert Kaiser: I have to laugh because you finally made a funny but
not really sarcastic joke! I spent 21 years in the Army, and you
probably have no idea of how many variations on my last name I heard!
Not only that, but guess who got picked for details, not always first
but 2nd or 3rd! We had too many people with names that too many
Sergeants did not want to pronounce or could not, so it was either
"Alphabet" or "Boyle" or anyway else they could get the number they
needed for details!! As you may have already noticed, I sent you, just a
little while ago, a hopefully reasoned, non-sarcastic request for help!
Now, if you and I can keep it on that level, maybe I can finally get
something to work, since you are completely determined on your course!
If I, first of all, had any knowledge of how to program, or even knew
some people who could, I might try, but I do not and can not! I do have
a 2 year College degree, but it was in the physical aspects NOT in the
programming, as I do have a very weak spot when it comes to advanced
math! I do not and can not make head nor tail out of Boolean Algebra,
yet I can use just about all the test equipment to check out something
and diagnose it enough to fix it, but NOT COMPUTER CODE! Again, sorry
for the CAPS. But, again, I also wish someone in your association, could
do something about writing out a good, fairly detailed explanation of
how to, and maybe then you would NOT be getting all the anger even from
others , or just the statement they are dropping 2.0 and going back to
1.1.18, maybe! :-\

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Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .

[John Boyle]

Robert Kaiser wrote:
> John Boyle wrote:
>> I have been a LOYAL user of Netscape/SeaMonkey since Netscape
>> 4, which I made clear in one of my messages!
>
> That doesn't change that you are a destructive voice now, apparently,
> and accusing the people of only bad things who are in fact donating a
> whole lot of their free time to improving SeaMonkey and keeping it
> alive at all.
>
>> When I mentioned the word
>> "Invention" I clearly meant the Invention of 2.0, which despite my
>> non-programmer background, was even said by one of your supporters or
>> even you., to be a clean DEPARTURE from All the old code!
>
> This "invention" was and is the only way to keep the suite alive, at
> least from our point of view.
> If you don't share that view, feel free to assemble your own team and
> develop the old code in a different way, it's all open and we are not
> afraid of competition.
>
>> Why couldn't you have
>> listened to your users more than you did or are doing NOW?
>
> I and our whole team are constantly listening to a whole lot of users
> - just that not all users are thinking the same way, and some times
> one has to make decisions. Once you have leadership experience
> somehwere, you'll agree on that point, at least.
>
>> Why couldn't
>> Any of your team first do a survey to see what the majority of SeaMonkey
>> were using for OS's , for one example?
>
> You think that 95% of our users are on Windows, some 60% of those on
> Windows XP, does change anything? Why that? Do you think it would be
> better top ignore the 5% on Mac and Linux and stop development for those?
>
>> Then, along with all the NEW
>> code, you could have put out clearer instructions for the vast majority
>> of your user base, instead of Ignoring that very same user base? If you
>> did not have the time to do so, than why didn't you make it clear and
>> Ask one of the users who might have some experience in writing training
>> material
>
> Oh, we did ask that quite often and still do, you just seem to be
> reading those things. And you're joining our testday today, right?
>
>> Why do you keep on ignoring all the CRIES FOR
>> HELP,?
>
> You don't seem to be reading this group, all team is all over the
> place and helping those people who constructively ask for help instead
> of just shout at us for being jerks or something.
>
>> I can
>> say that your effort at putting the program together, incomplete as it
>> may be, is highly commendable
>
> Thanks, at least *something* positive you can see.
>
> Unfortunately, we are a very small team and cannot do everything at
> once. We know, we can need improvement on a whole lot of things, and
> we welcome anyone trying to sincerely help us making it better.
> Be constructive, help to improve things, and magically, things will
> improve for yourself. That's how SeaMonkey, the whole open source
> movement, and actually, most of our modern society work.
>
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To Robert Kaiser: Then, you start, by explaining how, on earth, does one
migrate ones Addressbooks intact to SM2, in detail, PLEASE!??? I was
able to migrate my bookmarks on the first real install I attempted, but
CANNOT (sorry about the CAPS) successfully migrate my addressbooks
intact and did, in fact, sorry to say, damage the data on my 1.1.18,
part of which I had luckily printed out and can re-constitute, but the
Collected Addressbook itself, is totally GONE! Please explain to me how
to reconstitute that file. In Detail, if possible! :-\

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Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .

[John Boyle]

Robert Kaiser wrote:
> John Boyle wrote:
>> To Mark Hansen: Seems you are infected with the same disease as Robert
>> Kaiser!
>
> It's an interesting world where everyone but yourself is losing
> his/her mind and have a "disease", right?
>
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To Robert Kaiser: The 'DISEASE" of Arrogance, not LOSS of MIND! I never
said that, so don't twist it, and NO, I am no troll, if you would bother
to read everything I said and reduce the CAPS to small letters, you
might find I have been a LOYAL user of Netscape/SeaMonkey since Netscape
4, which I made clear in one of my messages! When I mentioned the word
"Invention" I clearly meant the Invention of 2.0, which despite my
non-programmer background, was even said by one of your supporters or
even you., to be a clean DEPARTURE from All the old code!  I did NOT
invent that statement, nor did I do any Trolling for anybody, but I have
tried to make it clear you are NOT being as helpful as you seem to think
you are, NOR is your version of SeaMonkey any easier to understand than
too many versions of LINUX are! If you would even pay attention to what
all the users were saying last year when you started making comments on
what you were doing, all the way up to NOW, you would find that a VAST
majority were NOT in favor of you deliberately destroying the user base,
along with Totally changing the program code! Why couldn't you have
listened to your users more than you did or are doing NOW? Why couldn't
Any of your team first do a survey to see what the majority of SeaMonkey
were using for OS's , for one example? Then, along with all the NEW
code, you could have put out clearer instructions for the vast majority
of your user base, instead of Ignoring that very same user base? If you
did not have the time to do so, than why didn't you make it clear and
Ask one of the users who might have some experience in writing training
material, (Again, not my field, I only taught FROM already written
material) , for instance, why did you not ask Mark Hansen, one of your
very strong supporters, or asked the entire group for someone who could
understand what you were doing and who knew how to make it MUCH clearer
to the majority of users? Like Philip Jones, or even Leonidas Jones(wow,
I said something NICE)???  Why do you keep on ignoring all the CRIES FOR
HELP,?**   My whole thing of anger, is based on this very FACT, of there
just NOT being any REAL help, focused on those who very obviously do NOT
have your background nor of any of your developers background!  I can
say that your effort at putting the program together, incomplete as it
may be, is highly commendable, but you seem to have lost sight of the
FACT, that the majority of users do NOT have your background! :-(

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Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .

[John Boyle]

Mark Hansen wrote:
> On 12/9/2009 5:32 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
>   
>> John Boyle wrote:
>> 
>>> Enough for now! :-( :-\
>>>   
>> I couldn't agree more. I can do nothing against your bad health or you 
>> regrading yourself as a "low-life" being as you seem to suggest in 
>> multiple of your posts here.
>>
>> Try to be friendly and constructive instead of negative, arrogant and 
>> sarcastic (I know you accuse us of being that but your messages consist 
>> of exactly the style you accuse us of) and you'll wonder how helpful the 
>> community here can be.
>>
>> Robert Kaiser
>> 
>
> Exactly! Why people think the best way to get help is to denigrate the
> very volunteers they demand help from is quite beyond me.
>
> For example, beginning a thread with a subject line that expresses the
> product is "junk" is the wrong way to try to get help. In my opinion,
> such threads should be treated as trolling and just ignored.
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To Mark Hansen: Seems you are infected with the same disease as Robert
Kaiser! When is the last time you gave complete, clearcut instructions
on how to overcome the failings of SM2? From what I have read on this
list or the newsgroup, you seem to think people can read your mind and
at a distance! Why is beyond me, and for the same reasons I wrote to
Robert Kaiser! I have been a user of Mozilla since Netscape 4 and, up
until now, had no trouble with Seamonkey worth mentioning, but you and
Mr. Kaiser have completely reinvented the Wheel, and neither of you can
even define or describe to the rest of us how to get your "Invention" to
work! I did NOT originate the title of the thread, "Version 2.0 is JUNK,
if you bother to even check that FACT, but I CLEARLY agree with that
statement! :-( :-( :-( 

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Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .

[John Boyle]

Robert Kaiser wrote:
> John Boyle wrote:
>> Enough for now! :-( :-\
>
> I couldn't agree more. I can do nothing against your bad health or you
> regrading yourself as a "low-life" being as you seem to suggest in
> multiple of your posts here.
>
> Try to be friendly and constructive instead of negative, arrogant and
> sarcastic (I know you accuse us of being that but your messages
> consist of exactly the style you accuse us of) and you'll wonder how
> helpful the community here can be.
>
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To Robert Kaiser: I DID NOT REGRADE myself, YOU HAVE DONE IT,
consistently and Still are, by your simply ignoring the FACTS that are
presented to you and by YOUR IGNORANCE of what the ENglish language says
when it is presented to you! YES, I am sarcastic, but not ARROGANT as
that comes from the so-called superior attitude YOU have shown over the
entire discussion for the past one or two years! My sarcasm IS based on
YOUR ARROGANCE AND FAILURE TO ADMIT WHEN YOU ARE WRONG, nuts there I go
again, using CAPS! I wish you would get off your high horse, and provide
CLEARCUT, CONCISE AND COMPLETE, INSTRUCTIONS, then you just might not
get CAPS back at you! You have Consistently and Continuely FAILED  to
comprehend what courtesy and help mean or how to go about giving that
very , very needed help, and you just seem to be as Imperial Minded as
the Kaiser was in WWI! You must be related to him, as you just cannot
comprehend *a cry for help*, under ANY circumstances! You, personally,
are driving many away from SeaMonkey, and, yet, you just cannot seem to
understand that very simple concept! Why, I cannot fathom and it is
obvious you Never will! I spent 21 years in the Army, and they taught me
a couple of concepts in dealing with people, that you OBVIOUSLY CANNOT
COMPREHEND, one, being K.I.S.S. or Keep It Simple, stupid, and the other
being R.O.A.N. or Repair ONLY as NECESSARY! :-( :-( :-(

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Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .

[John Boyle]

Robert Kaiser wrote:
> John Boyle wrote:
>> Mark Hansen wrote:
>>> So, while migrating your address book from your SM 1.1.X profile to
>>> SM 2.0, it destroyed your address book in your SM 1.1.X profile?
>>>
>> To Mark Hansen: YES, exactly!
>
> There is absolutely no single piece of code in SeaMonkey 2.0 that
> would be able to do that unless you are crazy and are trying to use
> the same custom location for both the 1.x and the 2.0 profile.
>
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To Robert Kaiser: Since I have made it plain I have no way to "program"
anything , how would I have a custom location interfering with an
alleged "Basic function"??? How can you even suggest that after ALL
I have said to explain my situation, is beyond me, also! Again, the
problem is that you do NOT think as a USER, but as as Developer Whiz
Kid! Why is it so hard for you to understand that 2.0 DOES  not and IS
not what you allegedly think it is and does? :-(

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Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .

[John Boyle]

Mark Hansen wrote:
> On 12/8/2009 5:45 PM, John Boyle wrote:
>   
>> Mark Hansen wrote:
>> 
>>> On 12/8/2009 4:20 PM, John Boyle wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> Mark Hansen wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/7/2009 6:16 PM, John Boyle wrote:
>>>>>   
>>>>>   
>>>>>   
>>>>>> To NoOp: And how would you know this, using LINUX? Are you also a
>>>>>> SeaMonkey developer? INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY
>>>>>> ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DOWNLOADED OR HAVE BEEN DOWNLOADED
>>>>>> THROUGH IT! After all, what are ALL the complaints that have surfaced
>>>>>> been about, if not SM2:-(
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> You have evidence that installing SM 2.0 has destroyed anything?
>>>>>   
>>>>>   
>>>>>   
>>>> To Mark Hansen: As I have stated elsewhere, there is, NOW, an obvious
>>>> problem in that there are two John's using this newsgroup, but it can
>>>> easily be cleared up if people would remember the other John, does not
>>>> leave a last name, but that I do! :-(
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> By the way, I am keeping you both separate. But what has this to do
>>> with my post? You (John Boyle) said, as is still shown above, that
>>> installing SeaMonkey has been known to destroy all sorts of things.
>>>
>>> Again I'll ask:
>>>
>>>   You have evidence that installing SM 2.0 had destroyed anything?
>>>
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>>>   
>> To Mark Hansen: YES, when I tried to migrate over my addressbooks, it
>> took part of the old versions file and lost it somewhere in the program,
>> not made clear where, and, that was my basic addressbook! I have had to
>> reconstitute it from a print out that I luckily had made of it!Secondly,
>> it did the same thing to my 'COLLECTED addresses" and that I do not know
>> how to get back! So, I reiterate it DOES  destroy things, in this case
>> data, and does it so well no one can find it again! Version 2.0 IS JUNK!
>> :-(
>>
>> 
>
> So, while migrating your address book from your SM 1.1.X profile to
> SM 2.0, it destroyed your address book in your SM 1.1.X profile?
>
>   
To Mark Hansen: YES, exactly! Luckily, for some reason, I had printed
out a copy of the address book and am now in the process of
reconstituting it! Now, if the base version 2.0 does that, why are the
developers going ahead and making sure migration will NOT work in the
future? That is why I have been making ALL the noise that I have, and
have been shocked by that attitude! Not only that, but why can't they
"develop" the ability to give detailed instructions, without all the
ARROGANCE and sarcasm, to overcome this disaster? One side problem is I
do not know how to reconstitute the "collected " address file! Can you
tell me how to do that in version 1.1.18, please? :-( :-(
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Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .

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NoOp wrote:
> On 12/07/2009 06:16 PM, John Boyle wrote:
>
>   
>> To NoOp: And how would you know this, using LINUX? Are you also a
>> SeaMonkey developer? INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY
>> ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DOWNLOADED OR HAVE BEEN DOWNLOADED
>> THROUGH IT! After all, what are ALL the complaints that have surfaced
>> been about, if not SM2:-(
>> 
>
> I also tested 2.x in WinXP and Win2K. And no, I am not a developer, but
> I do try to test every pre-released version of SM in linux (debian),
> WinXP, and Win2K.
>
> Here is what I suggest: if you have issues (and you obviously do), then
> start your own thread regarding your specific issues. Skip the caps
> nonesense and explain in detail the issues you are having; perhaps then
> someone will try to help you.
>
> My response was regarding *John* (not you) claiming that SeaMonkey 2.0
> destroyed his itunes files. Do _you_ have itunes files? Where they
> destroyed by 2.0? If not, then find another thread.
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To NoOp: Actually, I thank you for your response, as I did NOT
know(sorry about the caps) you did all that testing! No, I do not have
Itunes situation, I just have a very serious migration problem in which
SM2 managed to somehow import PART of my addressbook and delete it from
my version 1.1.18, and then "Lose" that part! When I uninstalled version
2.0, I found out the damage it had done to my version 1.1.18, but for
some reason, I had printed out the information and am in the process of
re-constituting that file! NOW, if version 2.0 will mangle that small
portion of the 1.1.18 addressbook, what will it do with the rest of it?
No, I cannot see what value updating to version 2.0 has whatsoever, and,
yes, I am sorry if I let my FRUSTRATION AND BAD HEALTH, spill over into
this newsgroup, but I am deeply shocked at the the TOTAL lack of
SENSITIVITY and lack of Ability on the part of the developers, in that
they cannot see how to help us OBVIOUSLY low-life USERS, better than
they do! For instance, there is absolutely NO clearcut instructions on
how to migrate anything other than the Bookmarks, and the only person
who tried to help me on that, uses a MAC, which is just enough different
that it would not work for me! Since you are a "tester" I have a Windows
XP with Sp3 and definitley enough memory and speed, to handle this
program with ease, yet cannot get you(generic you, not personal you) to
understand the detailed instructions that are needed, to get the job
done! This message is aimed at Robert Kaiser, also, since he keeps
chiming in about how the work is being done by volunteers, and not
understanding someone who cannot read their minds, especially at a
distance! I have tried to make it clear that I am a long time user of
Netscape and now Seamonkey, because I have thought it a better product
than IE, but version 2.0 has become a Total Reversal of that
appreciation and, yet, I still get nothing but garbage, I do NOT and
NEVER will respond well to ARROGANCE, SARCASM or anything else that
smacks of that kind of attitude! Now, if Robert Kaiser or Leonidas Jones
or some of the others will get off their high horse and provide
encouraging advice, NOT NEGATIVE AS THEY SEEM TO BE doing, with CLEAR
CUT INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO OVER COME the lousy migration problems from
1.1.18 to version 2.0, they just might be surprised at the response they
would get! But, right now they are heading for disaster and just cannot
admit it! I know people I have tried to convert to Seamonkey, but they
just will NOT bother, when they find out the attitudes associated with
getting help! By the way, I had an even worse experience with LINUX, for
2 years, that I had to wipe out the entire computer and install Win XP,
just to get my computer to work at all! Enough for now! :-( :-\

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Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .

[John Boyle]

Mark Hansen wrote:
> On 12/8/2009 4:20 PM, John Boyle wrote:
>   
>> Mark Hansen wrote:
>> 
>>> On 12/7/2009 6:16 PM, John Boyle wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> To NoOp: And how would you know this, using LINUX? Are you also a
>>>> SeaMonkey developer? INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY
>>>> ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DOWNLOADED OR HAVE BEEN DOWNLOADED
>>>> THROUGH IT! After all, what are ALL the complaints that have surfaced
>>>> been about, if not SM2:-(
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> You have evidence that installing SM 2.0 has destroyed anything?
>>>   
>>>   
>> To Mark Hansen: As I have stated elsewhere, there is, NOW, an obvious
>> problem in that there are two John's using this newsgroup, but it can
>> easily be cleared up if people would remember the other John, does not
>> leave a last name, but that I do! :-(
>> 
>
> By the way, I am keeping you both separate. But what has this to do
> with my post? You (John Boyle) said, as is still shown above, that
> installing SeaMonkey has been known to destroy all sorts of things.
>
> Again I'll ask:
>
>   You have evidence that installing SM 2.0 had destroyed anything?
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To Mark Hansen: YES, when I tried to migrate over my addressbooks, it
took part of the old versions file and lost it somewhere in the program,
not made clear where, and, that was my basic addressbook! I have had to
reconstitute it from a print out that I luckily had made of it!Secondly,
it did the same thing to my 'COLLECTED addresses" and that I do not know
how to get back! So, I reiterate it DOES  destroy things, in this case
data, and does it so well no one can find it again! Version 2.0 IS JUNK!
:-(

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Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .

[John Boyle]

Mark Hansen wrote:
> On 12/7/2009 6:16 PM, John Boyle wrote:
>   
>> To NoOp: And how would you know this, using LINUX? Are you also a
>> SeaMonkey developer? INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY
>> ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DOWNLOADED OR HAVE BEEN DOWNLOADED
>> THROUGH IT! After all, what are ALL the complaints that have surfaced
>> been about, if not SM2:-(
>> 
>
> You have evidence that installing SM 2.0 has destroyed anything?
>   
To Mark Hansen: As I have stated elsewhere, there is, NOW, an obvious
problem in that there are two John's using this newsgroup, but it can
easily be cleared up if people would remember the other John, does not
leave a last name, but that I do! :-(
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Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .

[John Boyle]

Robert Kaiser wrote:
> John Boyle wrote:
>> INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY
>> ALL SORTS OF THINGS
>
> No, the only thing we really know is that is sometimes doesn't import
> SeaMonkey 1.x profiles, but we haven't got any information whatsoever
> that it reproducibly destroyed anything at all (and I ignore your
> rudeness of writing all-caps messages).
>
> Robert Kaiser
To Robert Kaiser: Sorry for the ALL Caps, but what I have said has been
demonstrated by MANY complaints on both this newsgroups and the support
lists! You just have NOT wanted to admit that FACT! :-(
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Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .

[John Boyle]

Mark Hansen wrote:
> On 12/8/2009 7:50 AM, John wrote:
>   
>> Mark Hansen wrote:
>> 
>>> On 12/7/2009 6:20 PM, John Boyle wrote:
>>>   
>>>>>   
>>>>>   
>>>> To Mark Hansen: If he had NO trouble before SM2 , but NOW has trouble
>>>> since, IT IS VERY CLEAR LOGIC  THAT SM2 IS THE PROBLEM!!! HOW CAN ANYONE
>>>> THINK OTHERWISE, USING LOGIC, THAT IS!!! >:o
>>>> 
>>> How about this John? Let's say you get home and park your car in
>>> the driveway, then go in the house. 10 minutes later, you look out
>>> the front window and see a neighbor kid walking past your house.
>>> Another 10 minutes later, you go outside and see that one of your
>>> tires has been slashed. Did the neighbor kid do it?
>>>   
>> apples and oranges
>> 
>
> Unfortunately, your response doesn't surprise me in the least.
>   
To Mark Hansen: Unfortunately, the JOHN that you just answered is NOT
ME! John Boyle is always displayed in all my messages, or Old Sarge in
my signature! So, I now know why so much confusion and irritation has
been bandied about!! :-\
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Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .

[John Boyle]

Keith Whaley wrote:
> John Boyle wrote:
>> Keith Whaley wrote:
>>> John Boyle wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> All yelling has been deleted, so nothing is left to display!
>>>
>>> John, do you really have to yell all the time?
>>> That you're unnecessarily strident is one thing, but all those caps
>>> are annoying!
>>>
>>> keith whaley
>
>
>> To Keith , Leonidas ,et al: I do  apologize for the CAPS in my
>> messages...
>
> Okay, you're forgiven! 
>
>> but when I am shocked by attitudes of people who should know better, I
>> will sound off! If you notice, though, I do not use cuss words! 
>
> Duly noted! Thanks.
>
>> I have
>> been trying to get the Developers and others to recognize that USERS are
>> NOT Developers, in the main, yet that seems to be the exact reason they
>> are shut off! I was totally shocked, again, when I found out through the
>> newsgroup and support list, that the Developers were deliberately going
>> to make it even harder to migrate information from one very stable
>> version to an even newer update of their version 2.0. Why is it only one
>> person really tried to give me step by step instructions on how to
>> migrate from 1.1.18 to 2.0, for instance? 
>
> No idea!
>
>> I followed one persons advice,
>> after reassurances it would not damage the older version, and installed
>> 2.0 in its own location, then managed to migrate my bookmarks without
>> any problems, but cannot get the addressbooks nor newsgroups to migrate
>> worth beans, yet that individual who just "killfiled" me could not
>> recognize he only half stepped in his help to me! Please forward this to
>> him, letting him know I apologize for upsetting statements, but when you
>> are an obviously unwanted low-life USER, like me, you have to expect
>> frustration, especially if that low-life USER also has a Heart
>> problems, and also cannot even breathe properly, all the time! I just
>> have no time for those who have no respect for their fellow man, unless
>> that fellow man is kissing their feet! Bet you thought I was going to
>> say something else, ha ha. :-\
>
> Oh no! You don't swear, so I expected 'feet'. 
>
> You're right. Some folks do not know how to comport themselves in public.
> Sad... However, try to reduce your anxiety and frustration...that
> might help your breathing and shortness of breath.
>
> I pretty much agree with you, tho'
>
> Do take care of your health, and try to not get so excited!
> We'll take them on and berate their ill-advised comments, as best we can.
>
> Later,  keith
>
>
To Keith, Robert Kaiser, Leonidas Jones, et al: First my system is Win
XP with sp3, a fairly fast memory and all that other technical stuff. I
have decided, in light of the FACT that a LOW-LIFE USER, like me, who
needs and needed clearer instructions and understanding than I will ever
get from the Developers and their supporters, have DELETED ver 2.0 from
my system as it is NOT an upgrade, and the FACT that any upgrades to it
will make it even harder to migrate what I do have to it, totally
unnecessarily and totally uncalled for! I did keep the download  of it,
in  case someone besides  Keith and Peter Potamus and Philip Jones,
decides to  develop a little bit of  true  support of all the LOW-LIFES
that are called USERS, and maybe even a little bit of a conscience and
even show a slight ability to convey instructions to said LOW-LIFE
USERS! To make it even clearer, I am NOT upgrading to WIN 7, if I ever
do, until sometime in the summer when they truly have a workable OS!
Thanks, Keith for your kind words and I wish others would try to HELP
more like you and Philip Jones and Peter Potamus, instead of sloughing
off us LOW-LIFE USERS as DIRT OR FUNGUS OR SOME SUCH! If, as is
predicted by the Developers, it becomes evident that 1.1.18 cannot be
migrated to version 2.xxx, because of their drive to make it as
complicated as they can, I will then have to switch to IE, HEAVEN
FORBID! You see, IE is already paid for as part of my OS, and why I keep
banging my head and heart on the likes of some people on this newsgroup
or the list, is beyond even my understanding! Except that , UNTIL NOW,
Netscape/SeaMonkey has been the better product, despite the snide
remarks of the developers to the contrary! I can guarantee you one
thing, SeaMonkey is on the verge of LOSING all the LOW-LIFE'S USERS, and
going back to being a Developers ONLY program, and that, in fact, has
been stated on this newsgroup and the support list, by many, many people
who have said "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"! Now, either the DEVELOPERS get their
minds back on the ground and start using "Common Sense" or they are
going to become very lonesome people, very quickly! :-( =developers,
:-) =those who have Truely tried to help and listen to all the LOW-Life
users! By the way, how did I do this time, Keith? 8-)
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Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .

[John Boyle]

Keith Whaley wrote:
> John Boyle wrote:
>
>
> [...]
>
> All yelling has been deleted, so nothing is left to display!
>
> John, do you really have to yell all the time?
> That you're unnecessarily strident is one thing, but all those caps
> are annoying!
>
> keith whaley
To Keith , Leonidas ,et al: I do  apologize for the CAPS in my messages,
but when I am shocked by attitudes of people who should know better, I
will sound off! If you notice, though, I do not use cuss words! I have
been trying to get the Developers and others to recognize that USERS are
NOT Developers, in the main, yet that seems to be the exact reason they
are shut off! I was totally shocked, again, when I found out through the
newsgroup and support list, that the Developers were deliberately going
to make it even harder to migrate information from one very stable
version to an even newer update of their version 2.0. Why is it only one
person really tried to give me step by step instructions on how to
migrate from 1.1.18 to 2.0, for instance? I followed one persons advice,
after reassurances it would not damage the older version, and installed
2.0 in its own location, then managed to migrate my bookmarks without
any problems, but cannot get the addressbooks nor newsgroups to migrate
worth beans, yet that individual who just "killfiled" me could not
recognize he only half stepped in his help to me! Please forward this to
him, letting him know I apologize for upsetting statements, but when you
are an obviously unwanted low-life USER, like me, you have to expect
frustration, especially if that low-life USER also has a Heart 
problems, and also cannot even breathe properly, all the time! I just
have no time for those who have no respect for their fellow man, unless
that fellow man is kissing their feet! Bet you thought I was going to
say something else, ha ha. :-\
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Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .

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Phillip Jones wrote:
> Mark Hansen wrote:
>> On 12/7/2009 2:01 PM, John wrote:
>>> Mark Hansen wrote:
 On 12/7/2009 10:49 AM, John wrote:
> Apparently migration from 1.18 to 2.0 is not supported either and it
> (2.0 install) wiped out my iTunes files.

 What!? Migration from 1.1.18 (I assume that is the release you
 meant) to
 2.0 is not supported?
>>> All I can say is that I tried several times to install 2.0 over 1.1.18
>>> and it corrupted my iTunes file and would not open.  That would suggest
>>> that there is a problem moving between the two.
>>
>> So this means SeaMonkey does not support migration from 1.1.18 to 2.0?
>>
>> Sir, your logic escapes me.
>
> No they are talking about there is a Migration assistant to go from
> 1.1.18 to 2.0, but if you are dumb enough to wait until 2.1 to jump.
> then you be unable to bring over your files automatically unless you
> manually do so.
>
> What you need to do is download a copy of 2.0 and keep it handy use
> 1.1.18 until all the big bugs are worked out then use 2.0 to migrate
> to the 2.x format. Then upgrade to 2.1 and it should work fine. It's a
> Good thing I switched despite the glaring bugs and oversights and and
> left out (for no reason) stuff. It would be a heck of a deal to me to
> move 131 sub directories for one email address and all the filters,
> and spam filters to move reliably manually.
>
To pjones and newsgroup: Since NONE of the developers/contributers who
LOVE SM2 will give detailed instructions on how to migrate email and
newsgroups, CLEARLY AND SUCCINCTLY, to all of us who are basically USERS
ONLY,  then ALL you have put out is wasted entirely! AND I do not mean
bits and pieces here and there, either!!! Plus the TOTAL LACK  of COMMON
SENSE IS SO APPARENT, IT IS NO WONDER PEOPLE ARE IRRITATED AT SM2 AND
ALL ITS INCONSISTENCIES AND INCOHERENCE! I have tried to be patient, but
you people who just cannot admit you made a mistake releasing THIS
MISHMASH TOO EARLY, just have NO CLUE AND COMPLETELY RUN ROUGHSHOD OVER
PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT DEVELOPERS, BUT ONLY USERS! YOU ALL ACTUALLY MAKE ME
SICK TO MY STOMACHE WITH YOUR ARROGANCE, WHICH I HAD HOPED YOU HAD
GOTTEN OVER THAT!  >:o
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Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .

[John Boyle]

Mark Hansen wrote:
> On 12/7/2009 5:06 PM, John wrote:
>   
>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>> 
>>> John wrote:
>>>   
 Robert Kaiser wrote:
 
> John wrote:
>   
>> All I can say is that I tried several times to install 2.0 over 1.1.18
>> and it corrupted my iTunes file and would not open. That would suggest
>> that there is a problem moving between the two.
>> 
> What does iTunes have to do with SeaMonkey upgrades?
>
> Robert Kaiser
>   
 That is a damn good question why should SM have anything to do with
 iTunes but, I can tell you that it did totally destroy my iTunes
 library. It happened before too but, this time I had a backup.
 
>>> No, installing SM 2.0 could not affect your iTunes library, there is 
>>> something else at work here.
>>>
>>> Lee
>>>   
>> Then give me some suggestions, there is nothing in event viewer to 
>> suggest that anything other SM2 was running.
>> 
>
> So if no one can suggest an alternative, that means it was SM's
> fault?
>
> Sir, once again, your logic escapes me.
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since, IT IS VERY CLEAR LOGIC  THAT SM2 IS THE PROBLEM!!! HOW CAN ANYONE
THINK OTHERWISE, USING LOGIC, THAT IS!!! >:o
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Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .

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NoOp wrote:
> On 12/07/2009 05:06 PM, John wrote:
>   
>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>> 
>>> John wrote:
>>>   
 Robert Kaiser wrote:
 
> John wrote:
>   
>> All I can say is that I tried several times to install 2.0 over 1.1.18
>> and it corrupted my iTunes file and would not open. That would suggest
>> that there is a problem moving between the two.
>> 
> What does iTunes have to do with SeaMonkey upgrades?
>   
> ...
>   
 That is a damn good question why should SM have anything to do with
 iTunes but, I can tell you that it did totally destroy my iTunes
 library. It happened before too but, this time I had a backup.
 
>>> No, installing SM 2.0 could not affect your iTunes library, there is 
>>> something else at work here.
>>>
>>> Lee
>>>   
>> Then give me some suggestions, there is nothing in event viewer to 
>> suggest that anything other SM2 was running.
>> 
>
> You were given suggestions in the previous thread that you posted about
> regarding this. I seem to recall that you never responded, but that
> would take going back to look & I'm not inclined to do that just now.
>
> *Nothing* in installing SeaMonkey should or could have affected your
> itunes library.
>
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To NoOp: And how would you know this, using LINUX? Are you also a
SeaMonkey developer? INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY
ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DOWNLOADED OR HAVE BEEN DOWNLOADED
THROUGH IT! After all, what are ALL the complaints that have surfaced
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Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .

[John Boyle]

Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Bush wrote:
>> jim wrote:
>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:00:14 -0500, Bush  in
>>> mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote:
>>>
 Please post in this newsgroup, When a Good working version of
 seamonkey 2.X is available . 2.0 is real Buggy . It needs to be
 Marked as   BETA
  Time for me to go back to 1.1.18
>>>
>>> The funny thing is, I am running the last beta version of 2.0 in
>>> another
>>> physical machine, running XP just like my main one, with no problems.
>>> (I have sent and received several emails with it, using the server I
>>> mentioned a couple messages upthread.)
>>>
>>> jim
>>>
>> I am back to Ver 1.1.18 and no more Beta problems. I'll try again
>> after version 2.5 is released
>
> No, you won't. Several people have stated that migration from 1.1.xx
> to 2.1 and later will not be supported. Jump now or at some late date
> start SM configuration from scratch.
>
> Most machine I have migrated, the lack of support for multiple
> profiles in migration makes a few simply too time consuming.
>
To ALL: And that is when NO ONE WILL UPGRADE!!! Why is it most
SUCCESSFUL software companies make their products BACKWARD COMPATIBLE?
:-(  This product is free, but still, COMMON SENSE HAD BETTER PREVAIL
AND QUICKLY!
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Re: 2.0 ?

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Phillip Jones wrote:
> question wrote:
>> Is 2.0 a beta ?
> At this point official no.
>
To the newsgroup: But from a USERS standpoint, a definite "YES"! :-(
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Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .

[John Boyle]

Benoit Renard wrote:
> John Boyle wrote:
>> My evaluation of 2.0 is that it is somewhat faster as a browser, but,
>> as with all the others, the email and newsgroups stink, still! I did
>> NOT want to even download it, but was persuaded by a couple of people,
>> however, nobody seems to want to tackle the FACT that version 2.0 IS
>> TERRIBLY DEFICIENT IN THE EMAIL AND NEWSGROUPS DEPARTMENTS, as people
>> have been saying, CONSTANTLY, and the developers JUST SIMPLY REFUSE TO
>> LISTEN TO ANY CRITICISM, EVEN IF BASED ON FACT!
>
> Please don't confuse "Robert Kaiser", the most prominent developer,
> with "the developers".
>
> I'm a developer, even if I don't contribute all that often, and I will
> tell you this: SeaMonkey 2.0's mailnews part is based on a beta
> version of Thunderbird 3.0. When Thunderbird 3.0 is done, the next
> release of SeaMonkey 2.0 will incorporate all the fixes, and hopefully
> be more reliable in that department.
To Mr. Renard: Well, I look forward to seeing the change in those 2
Parts, then! I am glad to see that someone DOES listen, after all! I
hope you have taken what 1.1.18 has and just improved, if possible, on
it by removing what ever problems it has, as re-inventing the wheel when
it is NOT needed, only breaks the continuity of the product! :-\
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Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .

[John Boyle]

Bush wrote:
> Bush wrote:
>> Please post in this newsgroup, When a Good working version of
>> seamonkey 2.X is available . 2.0 is real Buggy . It needs to be
>> Marked as   BETA
>>  Time for me to go back to 1.1.18
>
>
> I am now back to Seamonkey 1.1.18 ... I uninstalled the Beta version
> of 2.x
To Bush, and newsgroup: I do NOW have version 2.0 but I only use the
browser part, and I still have version 1.1.18 which I do my email and
newsgroups on! My evaluation of 2.0 is that it is somewhat faster as a
browser, but, as with all the others, the email and newsgroups stink,
still! I did NOT want to even download it, but was persuaded by a couple
of people, however, nobody seems to want to tackle the FACT that version
2.0 IS TERRIBLY DEFICIENT IN THE EMAIL AND NEWSGROUPS DEPARTMENTS, as
people have been saying, CONSTANTLY, and the developers JUST SIMPLY
REFUSE TO LISTEN TO ANY CRITICISM, EVEN IF BASED ON FACT! I do
CONGRATULATE the developers on speeding up the Browser, NOW ALL THEY
HAVE TO DO IS GET THE OTHER 2/3 of version up to at least version 1.1.18
USABILITY STANDARDS! BECAUSE OF EGO'S, I DOUBT THAT WILL *EVER* HAPPEN!
:-(  People ARE BETTER OFF WITH VERSION 1.1.18, IF THEY WANT TOTAL
USABILITY AS A SUITE, THAT IS! :-(
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Re: SeaMonkey v2 extension replacements

[John Boyle]

Leonidas Jones wrote:
> Mike C wrote:
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:11:15 -0800, Ant wrote:
>>>
 Also, ColorfulTabs:
 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1368
>>>
>>>
>>> Might as well add IE Tab to that. Which is why I won't upgrade yet
>>> on most of my machines.
>>>
>>> -sw
>> Might as well add tabbrowser extension and Extension Mgr.
>> That's why I went back to SM 1.1.18
>>
>> Mike C
>
> I really don't understand a need for the Extension Manager extension,
> when the Addons Manager manages extensions and themes so well.
>
> Back in Mozilla 1.0 days, I started using Tabbed Browser Extensions,
> and it made a great difference.  However, it just got way too
> extensive, and was a huge problem on every new version.
>
> I do miss the functions of Tab Mix Plus though. The only really nice
> feature was to be able to set search results to always open in a new
> tab.  I was able to do that with Monkey Menu in 1.1.18, and I do miss
> that.  Other then that, SM 2/0 is handling tabs very well with built
> in functions.
>
> Lee
To whom it may concern: I am wondering whatever happened to the calendar
that was supposed to be either an extension or an add-in to SM2? :-)
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Re: Multiple user/passwords

[John Boyle]

Phillip Jones wrote:
> BeeNeR wrote:
>> On or about 11/11/2009 9:57 PM, Hartmut Figge typed the following:
>>> BeeNeR:
>>>
 Neither yours or George Carden's solution works for me.  The page I
 use
 multiple log-ins on is http://www.mail.com/  I have a couple of e-mail
 addresses that I use and I no longer get the drop down selection
 choice.
>>>
>>> Maybe a case of autocomplete="off"?
>>> https://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/forms.html#remember_password
>>>
>>> Hartmut
>>
>> I don't think so since it does complete if I only enter the first
>> letter.  ie if I have two users starting with 'e' and I enter 'e' a drop
>> down box appears with both users that start with 'e'.
>>
>> In 1.x versions I didn't have to enter anything.  If I clicked on the
>> user entry box I received a dropdown box with ALL users no matter what
>> the spelling and I could click on the user I wanted.
>>
> And BTW: anyone using username/passwords for Banks or CC companies
> shoul be using a Master password and have encryption turned on. This
> include even in your own house.
>
To Newsgroup: Does one HAVE to use passwords at all? That is the basic
question I have. If so, is there any good guidelines as to which to
apply them to , outside of the obvious one of banks? O:-)
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Have downloaded and installed SM2 as advised by Leonidas Jones

[John Boyle]

To Leonidas Jones: I reluctantly tried again and installed SM2 to the
default you mentioned. No, it did not take over my version 1.1.18 per
se, but it DID take over the SeaMonkey Icon on my desktop! So I have to
go through my Start button, click on Internet and my SeaMonkey 1.1.18
comes up fully functional! So, I have bitten the bullet, now I need to
know how do I manually move Bookmarks, email and newsgroups to SM2,or
should I wait until the first fix comes out next month?
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Re: SM2.0 does not launch

[John Boyle]

Bernard Mercier wrote:
> Sandalin a formulé la demande :
>   
>> I successfully installed SM2, but unforunately it does not launch or more 
>> exactly as i see in the task manager, it launches (does not open any window) 
>> and immediately closes.
>> 
>
>   
>> Tried to uninstall, re-download, re-install, all the same.
>> 
>
>   
>> Win XP SP3
>> 
>
>   
>> PLEASE HELP !!! 
>> 
> Not enough memory?
>
>   
Wrong Browser!

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Re: Was SeaMonkey 2.0 really ready for release?

[John Boyle]

Ray_Net wrote:
> Leonidas Jones wrote:
> 
>> Personally, I could not even imagine going back to SM 1.1.18.  2.0 is
>> a fine product, different to be sure, but almost universally better.
>>
> Personaly if the SM 2 Bug
>
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=525601
>
> is not solved SM2 is *not* better.
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I totally agree, and wish it were not so, after all the hype and sarcasm
and insults when some one criticized what one heard! Version 2.0 IS NOT
AN IMPROVEMENT, YET!!! :-(

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Re: where is Quick Launch?

[John Boyle]

Leonidas Jones wrote:
> cciaffone wrote:
>> In sm1 it was in Preferences>advanced
>>
>> Can't find it in sm 2
>
> It no longer exists, as it hasn't in Firefox for some time.
>
> Lee
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To Leonidas: For once a serious question. Why did they remove the Quick
Launch, in either Browser? What is the benefit of doing so? :-\

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Re: Where To Install SM2..

[John Boyle]

Leonidas Jones wrote:
> JD wrote:
>> I'm currently running SM 1.1.18 but install all my programs on my D
>> drive. Yes, I'm one of those people. 1.1.18 is installed at:
>> D:\mozilla.org\SeaMonkey
>>
>> When I go to install SM 2, it wants to install in:
>> C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\
>>
>> Can I install 2 in: D:\SeaMonkey2 and leave my older version alone? It
>> works so good for me and I'm seeing the thread Cannot Launch SeaMonkey 2
>> by David E Ross and nr's reply having the same problem and just like
>> David I don't use IE for anything but MS updates.
>>
>> Houston, do we have a problem?
>>
>
> Well, most people are installing with no problem, but it is brand new
> software,so there are bound to be some glitches.
>
> First of all, even if you install SM 2.0 in the default location, it
> will not overwrite the existing SM 1.1.x. It installs to its own
> location, and sets up a new profile in a new location.  As long as you
> do not uninstall SM 1.1.x, you cn easily run the two independently of
> each other.
>
> Therefore, you can select a custom install, and place the program
> wherever you like.  If something goes wrong, you can always run SM
> 1.1.x, and fix the 2.0 install at your convenience.  Most likely,
> nothing will go wrong.
>
> Lee
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To Leonidas Jones: You did not see the movie "WestWorld" , Obviously! In
the World of Computers, things OFTEN GO WRONG, GO WRONG, GO WRONG :-(

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Re: Unsubscribe me from Lists.mozilla.org!

[John Boyle]

Ray_Net wrote:
> gNeandr wrote:
>> Don't only trust in God .. or other's to solve your situation.
>>
>> Here you are in the fine position to help yourself:
>>
>> just open the account settings and delete the account for
>> 'news.mozilla.com' to delete all of it ...
>> or to un-subscribe a specific newsgroup, on the account listing use
>> the context menu for that group and just "un-subscribe" that single one.
>>
>> Hope it helps - The Lord bless thee and keep thee
>>
>>  [12.10.2009 02:59]»John Boyle« wrote:
>>> -- Old Sarge-John Boyle IN GOD WE TRUST!
>>
> 
> Are you sure about your suggestion, he will not unsubscibe something
> from 'news.mozilla.com' but from 'lists.mozilla.org'
> - This looks like he don't use a newsreader for reading the posts, but
> the posts goes into in mailreader.
This "unsubscribe" was in error, anyway! Sorry!
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Unsubscribe me from Lists.mozilla.org!

[John Boyle]

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Peter Potamus: Do you think he will come back online, with the final release now in sight?

[John Boyle]

To Peter Potamus et al: The subject is the question, since he always
contributed so much to this group! :-)
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 Beta 2 Completes New Feature Set

[John Boyle]

Robert Kaiser wrote:
> John Boyle wrote:
>> To Mr. Kaiser et al: This does sound like a well thought out
>> combination, and I hope it works as predicted!
>
> Which "combination" are you talking about there?
>
> Robert Kaiser
To Mr. Kaiser: A further note on the development of SM2, how far down
the pike is a Linux version going to be available? Some people I know
are trying to get me back into Linux, but, as yet I am not sure of which
distro would be no more frustrating than WINDOWS, nor what will be
available as browser or word processor for them! :-\
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Re: IE not working ! :-)

[John Boyle]

Jay Garcia wrote:
> On 14.09.2009 11:51, Paul Hartman wrote:
>
>  --- Original Message ---
>
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Ray_Net
>>  wrote:
>>> Normally, here we see complains about the fact that soem sites works
>>> ok with
>>> IE and not with SM.
>>>
>>> I have found a site working ok with SM but i am unable to use it
>>> with IE.
>>>
>>> http://www.zuneo.net/2007/06/coordonnees-gps-sur-google-maps.html
>>
>> In fact the page does not work at all for me in Seamonkey 1.1.18 - it
>> is completely blank.
>>
>> In IE8 it also fails.
>>
>> Seems like a webmaster's problem to me.
>
> Works here in:
>
> SM 1.1.18
> FF 3.5.3
> Netscape 7.2
> IE 7
>
> No problems in any one of those.
>
>
To Seamonkey users: Why on earth are we worried whether IE works at ALL?
I thought this was a Seamonkey support group, what is going on here? Can
somebody tell me? :-(
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 Beta 2 Completes New Feature Set

[John Boyle]

Robert Kaiser wrote:
> Less than 8 weeks after the first beta, the SeaMonkey team released
> SeaMonkey 2.0 Beta 2 today, completing the planned feature set for the
> next generation of the successful Internet suite, with a final 2.0
> version expected next month.
>
> Building on the great heritage of the Netscape Communicator and
> Mozilla Application suites, SeaMonkey 2.0 Beta 2 combines a
> state-of-the-art web browser based on the same core as Firefox 3.5.3
> with a solid email and newsgroups client and a simple HTML editor,
> rounding the experience with web development tools and IRC chat.
>
> In addition to the changes in the first beta release, this version
> features:
>   - tabbed mail, enabling accounts, folders and even single messages to
> be opened in tabs inside the Mail & Newsgroups window, as well as
> enabling the Lightning extension to be installed into SeaMonkey for
> calendering functionality.
>   - a completely renewed default theme on Mac OS X to better fit with
> the look of Leopard and Snow Leopard,
>   - reopening of closed browser windows (Undo Close Window),
>   - introduction of simpler interfaces for extension developers
> ("SMILE"),
>   - and a large number of other, smaller improvements.
>
> The release notes include a detailed list of improvements in
> comparison to SeaMonkey 1.1.18, our current stable release.
>
> We welcome any and all discussions on this beta on our newsgroups, or
> you can even file a bug if you find one. Be sure to check our known
> issues prior to filing bugs.
>
> SeaMonkey 2.0 Beta 2 is available for free download on the SeaMonkey
> website. Once you have downloaded and installed this release, we'd
> like to encourage you to get involved in discussing and reporting
> problems as well as further improving the product.
>
> Thanks for testing and helping us to make SeaMonkey even better!
>
>
> Full news article:
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2009-09-12
>
> Release notes:
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0b2
>
> Downloads for all available platforms and languages:
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.0b2
>
> System Requirements:
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements
>
> Newsgroups: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/community#groups
> File a bug: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?format=guided
> Get Involved: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/get-involved
>
> Robert Kaiser
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To Mr. Kaiser et al: This does sound like a well thought out
combination, and I hope it works as predicted! Sorry, I have not
participated in developement, but I am terribly certain I could NOT have
contributed anything worthwhile! Believe it or not, I hope this works
out as well or better than expected! :-)

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Problem with receiving some websites after upgrading to 1.1.18

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To Whom it may concern: I did the minor upgrade to 1.1.18, and now find
I can no longer access certain websites! Was that intentional or
accidental? One I cannot access is titled "Worldnetdaily.com! :-(
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What Anti-Spam software is best as an add-on to SeaMonkey?

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To anyone: I am aware of what an anti-spam software does, but was
wanting to know what works best with SeaMonkey, NOW, and what will work
best when 2.0 is released: I am aware of 2 programs , by name, but not
sure how well they would work with SeaMonkey: one is Incredimail with
Spam protection for $39 a year, and the other is an add-on itself to
EScan, a virus protection program! I am asking this on this forum,
because I would like to make sure whatever I get is compatible with
SeaMonkey ,NOW and Later!? Any help would be appreciated, and, if a
spam protection is being built into SeaMonkey, that would be good to
know, also!??? :-\
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Re: The Sunbird Calendar, will it be upgraded along with Seamonkey?

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John Boyle wrote:
> John Boyle wrote:
>   
>> Benoit Renard wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> Martin Feitag wrote:
>>> 
>>>   
>>>> Sunbird seems to be dead after 1.0 beta.
>>>>   
>>>> 
>>> It was announced back in February at FOSDEM that they were going to do
>>> their last release of Sunbird. So yes, it's dead.
>>> 
>>>   
>> To ALL: Thanks for telling me the facts, now, I guess I will go looking
>> for its replacement, or would it better to wait until SeaMonkey 2 Final
>> is out? :-\
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>> 
> To ALL: Found the answer, and will wait for Ver. 2, which should contain
> Lightning! Thanks for the effort, all! :-)
>
>   
To Reiterate the question of the "Hour", is there any better idea, yet,
on the approximate date Ver. 2 might be out
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Re: The Sunbird Calendar, will it be upgraded along with Seamonkey?

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John Boyle wrote:
> Benoit Renard wrote:
>   
>> Martin Feitag wrote:
>> 
>>> Sunbird seems to be dead after 1.0 beta.
>>>   
>> It was announced back in February at FOSDEM that they were going to do
>> their last release of Sunbird. So yes, it's dead.
>> 
> To ALL: Thanks for telling me the facts, now, I guess I will go looking
> for its replacement, or would it better to wait until SeaMonkey 2 Final
> is out? :-\
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To ALL: Found the answer, and will wait for Ver. 2, which should contain
Lightning! Thanks for the effort, all! :-)

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Re: The Sunbird Calendar, will it be upgraded along with Seamonkey?

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Benoit Renard wrote:
> Martin Feitag wrote:
>> Sunbird seems to be dead after 1.0 beta.
>
> It was announced back in February at FOSDEM that they were going to do
> their last release of Sunbird. So yes, it's dead.
To ALL: Thanks for telling me the facts, now, I guess I will go looking
for its replacement, or would it better to wait until SeaMonkey 2 Final
is out? :-\
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The Sunbird Calendar, will it be upgraded along with Seamonkey?

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To whom it may concern: It has occurred to me that nobody is mentioning
what will happen to the Sunbird calendar program! I am wondering if it
will be integrated into SeaMonkey 2, or kept as a standalone, and if it
is being upgraded, also? O:-)
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Re: SeaMonkey 1.1.17 Released

[John Boyle]

Robert Kaiser wrote:
> Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez wrote:
>> Robert Kaiser wrote:
>>> Downloads for all available platforms and languages:
>>> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/#1.1.17
>>
>>
>> I've noticed that the bouncer behind
>>
>> http://releases.mozilla.org/
>>
>> has directed me to a server that holds just binaries for 1.1.15 and
>> ahead. Since the last update for es-ES langpack was for 1.1.14, no
>> es-ES langpack is available through releases.mozilla.org. The link in
>> the Releases page of seamonkey-project.org works OK, I think because
>> it points directly to ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/
>
> The releases module is always trimmed to the last bunch of releases so
> that a large number of mirrors can easily sync it in a timely manner.
> I get informed of those trims and adjust URLs accordingly.
>
>> Since we have a link in our localization site to the langpack, would
>> it be polite if I change the URL to ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/ too? I
>> could link to our own local copy, but I think it is better if
>> mozilla.org / Seamonkey Council can have as much metrics as possible
>> of downloads.
>
> We don't get metrics from direct ftp.m.o downloads, but we prefer
> linking there as those servers are highly reliable and well-checked
> for problems.
>
> Robert Kaiser
>
To ALL: I did manage to download ver. 1.1.17, but had to make 3
different trys at it! Seems the arrow of the download is NOT the one to
click on to do so, nor the far left "button", only the words of the
download phrase worked! I do not remember it being that much trouble,
before! :-\
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Re: SM 2

[John Boyle]

Robert Kaiser wrote:
> John Boyle wrote:
>> To Robert Kaiser: What if theThunderbird developers cannot get their act
>> together, until Christmas? :-\
>
> Then Thunderbird is dead anyways, a number of people get laid off from
> Mozilla Messaging, and we will continue without them. From what I see
> going on there though, I don't think that will happen. The patch that
> has been pushing out their Beta 3 (and our Beta 1) is finally nearly
> ready to land from what I see - it may just match the download manager
> switch on our side in the time it goes in, and then we are both ready
> for a beta. :)
>
> Both projects probably can need another, shorter, beta cycle after
> that, which for us will probably mean pulling in a few more things
> from Thunderbird development, like a version of that improved search
> capability they are adding for Beta 3 (yes, that's the patch that
> pushed it out).
>
> Robert Kaiser
To Robert Kaiser: I thank you for the information and , ironically, look
forward to your final product for this time around! :-)
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Re: SM 2

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Robert Kaiser wrote:
> Gerald Ross wrote:
>> Haven't heard any discussion about SM2 lately. I'm ready anytime.
>> Before anyone gets their feathers ruffled, I'm not nagging or rushing
>> anybody. Just wondering.
>
> We need stable mail/news code to base our release on, and those parts
> are largely in control of the Thunderbird team. As they have been
> pushing out their Thunderbird 3 release recently, the same happened to
> the mail/news stabilization points, which means that we need to
> postpone the SeaMonkey 2 release as well.
>
> I hope we will have better estimations in terms of dates soon, but a
> first Beta release of SeaMonkey 2 should be available within a few
> weeks, the final release sometime this summer.
>
> Robert Kaiser
To Robert Kaiser: What if theThunderbird developers cannot get their act
together, until Christmas? :-\
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Re: When we need to instantly search drives...

[John Boyle]

JR WG wrote:
> RE: When we need to truly instantly search our drive(s) for SeaMonkey and 
> other files...
>
> And you don't have a small footprint (344KB or so) HDD indexer tool to use 
> for the lightning-fast searches to locate directory(s), files, certain 
> suffixed or certain spelled files, parts of names, etc.
>  
> Strongly suggest visit: http://www.voidtools.com/
>
> Search Everything (aka Everything to some) is phenomenal, well done, caring 
> programmer, NO ad-ware / nagware / nasties, and did I mention that it's still 
> no charge ?
>
> Currently in both installable and portable version:
>
> Everything-1.2.1.371.exe (334 KB)
> OR
> Everything-1.2.1.371.zip (portable, 272 KB)
>
> And SOMEWHERE, did I mention that it's still no charge, yet donations 
> accepted and the programmer deserves it.
>
> Joe
>
>
>   
To ALL: Using the above mentioned program, I was able to find actually 5
Drafts file folders, including two .msf files! However, trying to use
Windows XP Search function, it said there were NO such files! Ridiculous
isn't it? In fact, Win XP Search fails to find most any file I ask for,
which makes no sense whatsoever! Now I know why I cannot find even the
Seamonkey Profile, Win XP refuses to admit it exists! Yet, I have a
fully functional Seamonkey program, it is beginning to dawn on me that
maybe Seamonkey or the Mozilla group could make a better Operating
System than anything MSFT could even dream of! Mr. Kaiser, has anyone on
your team even fantasized about doing so? Isn't there someway of
"Reverse engineering" Windows XP or whatever you wanted to base it on
and make a better and less vulnerable OS? :-)
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Re: Your Turkey hunting trip!

[John Boyle]

Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
> John Boyle wrote:
>> To Roy: How did you do with your Turkey hunting? Have you got your
>> Thanksgiving Turkey all taken care of? I just traded in my older shotgun
>> for a new Benelli but have not shot it yet! Hope to go to Tacoma
>> Sportsman's Club :-) on Sunday and just see what it will do!
>
> yikes   Better not upset this guy or he'll blow our brains out!
> :-) :-D
>
To all: Sorry, wrong website!! :-[
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Re: Your Turkey hunting trip!

[John Boyle]

Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
> John Boyle wrote:
>> To Roy: How did you do with your Turkey hunting? Have you got your
>> Thanksgiving Turkey all taken care of? I just traded in my older shotgun
>> for a new Benelli but have not shot it yet! Hope to go to Tacoma
>> Sportsman's Club :-) on Sunday and just see what it will do!
>
> yikes   Better not upset this guy or he'll blow our brains out!
> :-) :-D
>
To Peter Potamus: I only plan on shooting Skeet and trap, but, as I
said, somehow I sent this to the wrong address! :-[
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Your Turkey hunting trip!

[John Boyle]

To Roy: How did you do with your Turkey hunting? Have you got your
Thanksgiving Turkey all taken care of? I just traded in my older shotgun
for a new Benelli but have not shot it yet! Hope to go to Tacoma
Sportsman's Club :-) on Sunday and just see what it will do!
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Re: What are watch commercials doing on Seamonkey newsgroup?

[John Boyle]

Michael Gordon wrote:
> John Boyle replied On 4/8/2009 6:04 PM
>
>> To anyone: I just opened my Seamonkey newsgroup and what did I find? At
>> least 3 Watch commercials! What the heck is going on? Yet, you people
>> will NOT allow someone to delete a message that is totally unnecessary
>> to what the newsgroup is all about! Where is the sense in that, please
>> tell me?
>
> John,
>
> The Google gmail Spam Scumbags have found us an easy target.
>
> They found my web site contact page and began sending tons of Spam
> Messages, so I created a message filter to send all gmail domain
> messages into the trash can.
>
> If someone really wants to contact me through gmail they can use my
> official Google gmail account address.
>
> It is too bad the folks who are so adamant about real users of this
> group cannot monitor the Spam messages as tightly as they do regular
> members.
>
> Michael
To Michael Gordon,et al: Someone on the web management team noticed and
made them deletable from that end! :-)
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What are watch commercials doing on Seamonkey newsgroup?

[John Boyle]

To anyone: I just opened my Seamonkey newsgroup and what did I find? At
least 3 Watch commercials! What the heck is going on? Yet, you people
will NOT allow someone to delete a message that is totally unnecessary
to what the newsgroup is all about! Where is the sense in that, please
tell me?
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Re: Delete Local Folders?

[John Boyle]

Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
> John Doue wrote:
>> Tom Pamin wrote:
>>> Jay Garcia wrote:
 On 04.04.2009 11:01, Tom Pamin wrote:

  --- Original Message ---

> Chris Ilias wrote:
>> On 4/4/09 11:35 AM, Tom Pamin wrote:
>>> Chris Ilias wrote:
 On 4/4/09 11:20 AM, Tom Pamin wrote:
> What's the easiest way to delete Local Folders? They're
> driving me nuts.
> I fiinally did get them to go away following instructions on
> the web,
> but they keep coming back. I don't think I'm editing about:config
> correctly.

 Yes, but it's not recommended. See
 .
>>>
>>> I've tried that - no luck.
>>
>> Just to note: The instructions say to edit prefs.js, not
>> about:config. When you say "I don't think I'm editing
>> about:config correctly", were you referring to those instructions?
>
> The instructions also mention about:config at the beginning.

 Also be aware that if you create a new account, it will contain
 Local Folders.

>>> I finally got it to stay gone by repeating the instructions several
>>> more times.
>> Just a suggestion.
>>
>> I went through those hoops a long time ago, while I was still using
>> Netscape and it took me a long time to get this to work to my liking.
>> Eventually, I decided to live with those controversial local Folders.
>>
>> As bookmarks in FF 3.xx today, Local Folders were then a very popular
>> topic; lots of people did not understand why they are there, and as
>> is the case for bookmarks in FF 3.xx today, others easily got
>> offended when users remarked on the complexity.
>>
>> I eventually decided to use Local Folders as a storage place for my
>> Email Archives. This way, my archives are never far away when I need
>> them, but they are not in the way when I don't need them, which is
>> 99% of the time. Getting rid of Local Folders is satisfying, sure,
>> but making the best use of them is probably a wiser course of action.
>> My experience at least!
>>
>> Regards
>
> removing local folders may cause problems down the road, as other
> things may require them.  For example, newsgroups use the local folders
>
To Peter Potamus: This string struck a memory chord: At one time I was
trying to find out how to get rid of a particular pair of Local Folders,
not the whole thing. I never succeeded in finding the file folder
mentioned as for some reason my lovely Win XP kept telling me there WAS
no such folder to edit or eliminate, so I gave up trying. The excess
Draft Folders are a nuisance, but the third Draft Folder is actually the
active one, and, rather than eliminate the wrong folder, I just ignore
the excess folders! So, I want to ask if there will be a way with the
new Seamonkey to eliminate those two folders, without eliminating the
third and usable one :-[
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Re: Print Preview freezes on Office Depot's Web site?

[John Boyle]

Ray_Net wrote:
> JAS wrote:
>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
 Ant wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I was viewing
> http://www.officedepot.com/catalog/txtSearchDD.do?jopa=s5SHQCC0IOOaUna7xLgXh3U&norefinement=true&searchTxt=Logitech+Z-2300#
> and wanted to print preview from the Web page (not Print link).
> Both SeaMonkey v1.1.14 and Firefox v2.0.0.20 froze. Is anyone else
> seeing this too?
>
> Thank you in advance. :)

 hell yes

>>>
>>> as others have said, and I will say too, there is no problem with FF
>>> 3.  SM 1.1.x is based on the old FF 2 coding, therefore, there are
>>> some website coding that will not work in old FF/SM coding -- for
>>> example php. I will go out on a hunch and say that SM2 should work,
>>> as its based on FF3 coding.
>>>
>> I use Seamonkey 1.1.4 and it works fine with the print preview.
>>
> Install Seamonkey 1.1.14 and you will have the problem.
To All: There could also be a problem with Office Depot's site itself,
as they are experiencing financially caused shrinking problems! :-)
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Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

[John Boyle]

Ray_Net wrote:
> Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:
>> Ray_Net wrote:
>>> Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:
 System is Win98se on a 500Mhz Pentium 3 with ~760Mb of memory.
 I just last week updated to from SM 1.0.7 to 1.1.14. and newsreader
 performance has degraded abysmally!
 Watching the behaviour with the system performance monitor, I notice
 that system memory almost invariably gets 100% allocated, even over
 allocated, with unused physical memory being depleted down to under
 1Mb !!!. Everything slows down to a crawl.
 When I connect to a news server, the system goes through a slow
 cycle of checking each of the subscribed news groups for new messages.
 For newsgroups.bellsouth.net. this is done in very bursty mode. i.e.
 check 2-5 groups pause, with the pauses sometimes being 10-15 sec long
 and even longer. In the meantime the system stops reacting to any
 commands, such as to switch windows/processes.
 When I switch newsgroups cpu goes 100% busy sometimes for several
 minutes and the disk drive light sometimes goes wild.

 (By the way, I have! shut off! Java in my profile as per a report by
 MR Zeitz that setting Java on will kill newsreader performance. See
 Re: Enabling Java makes mail and news sluggish,  posted on 2/2/2009
 Message-ID: <6uo04cfgdi5...@mid.individual.net>
 in the news group netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey)

>>>
>>> Return to SM 1.0.7 
>>
>> Thank you very much for the progressive 'tongue in cheek' advice.
>> Well soon the SMs I can use will be completely dead end anyways,
>> since the 2.x versions won't work with WIN98.
> Sorry for that, but i cannot see another issue for SM 1.xxx
>
> For the WIN98 and the SM 2.xxx look at the Philip Chee suggestion:
> "Install KernelEx. This should allow you to install and run SeaMonkey
> 2.0a trunk builds on Windows98se."
To ALL: How about using FREERAM OR SOME OTHER RAM MEMORY CONTROLLER FOR
WIN 98, WHICH I DO NOT USE! :-(
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Re: its baaaack!

[John Boyle]

Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
> Gus Richter wrote:
>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>> for those who are wondering, but the news server aioe is back up and
>>> running again.
>>>
>>> NOTE: if you get an error message, then delete the newsgroups you
>>> have, refresh the list, and re-subscribe to them.
>>>
>>> ANOTHER NOTE: some groups may have been removed so you need to
>>> contact aioe and ask for their return.
>>
>>
>> I dropped aioe and have been running motzarella and albasani for a
>> while now. I'm starting to think that I'll end up with albasani only
>> only due to every-now-and-then delay and differences. Will run both
>> for another month or so and decide permanently then.
>
> I've got all 3 just in case one of them stops working, like aoie did
>
To Peter Potamus: What the heck is aoie and where does one get it to
look at it?  Come to think of it, what are motzarella and albasani,
also? I have never heard of any of them! :-)
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Re: When will SM2 come out?

[John Boyle]

AK wrote:
> So, when will new version of Seamonkey come out officially?
To all: The final version SM2 will come out, when the developers feel it
is ready! I, despite some sharp words, agree with them on that!!! There
are to many programs, free or paid for, that really should NOT have seen
the light of day, for at least several months more before calling it the
final release version, that is for sure! :-)
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Re: SM as Default Browser

[John Boyle]

Daniel wrote:
> John Boyle wrote:
>> Daniel wrote:
>>> John Boyle wrote:
>>>> Andrea wrote:
>>>>> I recently upgraded Firefox to version 3.0.5, but I want to keep SM
>>>>> as my
>>>>> default browser. For some reason, my computer thinks that Firefox is
>>>>> the
>>>>> default--and both browsers are set that way. I don't know why
>>>>> Firefox is set
>>>>> that way because I didn't purposely do it, but I want to change it.
>>>>> (It's
>>>>> NOT checked off in Firefox Tools, Options, System Default.) I tried
>>>>> setting
>>>>> SM as default in the control panel settings (Add/Remove Programs, Set
>>>>> Program Access and Defaults), but once I OK out and then open it up
>>>>> again,
>>>>> the setting isn't saved. I tried rebooting, but that didn't help.
>>>>> I'm using
>>>>> Windows XP, SP3 with SeaMonkey 1.1.14. Help. This has become a war
>>>>> between
>>>>> dueling Mozilla browsers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrea
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> To All: Why did Seamonkey switch the sender and subject column order?
>>>> Now, it seems, that all my email and newsgroups have sender first and
>>>> then subject! Not that I cannot live with it, but I would like to know
>>>> why? =-O
>>>>
>>> John, I don't know why it happened but you are aware that you can drag
>>> them to any order you wish, aren't you??
>>>
>> To Daniel: I am now aware that I can drag them into any order I want,
>> due to another persons email, not as a list subject, but I do not know
>> how. Please tell me? :-)
>>
>
> John, using your mouse, point at the word sender at the top of the
> column. Click and hold down the left mouse button. With the button
> held down, move the mouse to where you want the sender heading to be.
>
> Do likewise for the other column headings, as needed!
>
> HTH
>
To Daniel: Worked just fine, sorry I am so forgetful, and I do not
remember changing it to the other way, either! Oh well, senior moment, I
guess! :-)
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Re: SM as Default Browser

[John Boyle]

Daniel wrote:
> John Boyle wrote:
>> Andrea wrote:
>>> I recently upgraded Firefox to version 3.0.5, but I want to keep SM
>>> as my
>>> default browser. For some reason, my computer thinks that Firefox is
>>> the
>>> default--and both browsers are set that way. I don't know why
>>> Firefox is set
>>> that way because I didn't purposely do it, but I want to change it.
>>> (It's
>>> NOT checked off in Firefox Tools, Options, System Default.) I tried
>>> setting
>>> SM as default in the control panel settings (Add/Remove Programs, Set
>>> Program Access and Defaults), but once I OK out and then open it up
>>> again,
>>> the setting isn't saved. I tried rebooting, but that didn't help.
>>> I'm using
>>> Windows XP, SP3 with SeaMonkey 1.1.14. Help. This has become a war
>>> between
>>> dueling Mozilla browsers.
>>>
>>> Andrea
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> To All: Why did Seamonkey switch the sender and subject column order?
>> Now, it seems, that all my email and newsgroups have sender first and
>> then subject! Not that I cannot live with it, but I would like to know
>> why? =-O
>>
>
> John, I don't know why it happened but you are aware that you can drag
> them to any order you wish, aren't you??
>
To Daniel: I am now aware that I can drag them into any order I want,
due to another persons email, not as a list subject, but I do not know
how. Please tell me? :-)

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Re: SM as Default Browser

[John Boyle]

Andrea wrote:
> I recently upgraded Firefox to version 3.0.5, but I want to keep SM as my 
> default browser. For some reason, my computer thinks that Firefox is the 
> default--and both browsers are set that way. I don't know why Firefox is set 
> that way because I didn't purposely do it, but I want to change it. (It's 
> NOT checked off in Firefox Tools, Options, System Default.) I tried setting 
> SM as default in the control panel settings (Add/Remove Programs, Set 
> Program Access and Defaults), but once I OK out and then open it up again, 
> the setting isn't saved. I tried rebooting, but that didn't help. I'm using 
> Windows XP, SP3 with SeaMonkey 1.1.14. Help. This has become a war between 
> dueling Mozilla browsers.
>
> Andrea 
>
>
>   
To All: Why did Seamonkey switch the sender and subject column order?
Now, it seems, that all my email and newsgroups have sender first and
then subject! Not that I cannot live with it, but I would like to know
why? =-O

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Re: Seamonkey profile manager not loading

[John Boyle]

Robert Kaiser wrote:
> John Boyle wrote:
>> To Robert Kaiser: One question and NO COMMENT: How close is SM2 to being
>> finished, for final evaluation? :-\
>
> We will be doing another alpha and a beta before final, so a final
> SeaMonkey 2 can be expected in the second quarter of 2009.
>
> Robert Kaiser
To Robert Kaiser: Thank you! :-)

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Re: Seamonkey profile manager not loading

[John Boyle]

Robert Kaiser wrote:
> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>> captjldd wrote:
>>
>>> Any chancce you have "quick Launch" active ?
>>
>> ahh, good point. I keep forgetting that. With todays fast computers,
>> that quicklaunch should be obsolete.
>
> That's the main reason why didn't aggressively look for a replacement
> to it in SeaMonkey 2 ;-)
>
> Robert Kaiser
To Robert Kaiser: One question and NO COMMENT: How close is SM2 to being
finished, for final evaluation? :-\

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At the risk, happily, of sounding off the subject

[John Boyle]

To ALL: MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A BLESSED NEW YEAR!!!
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Re: Moving from one SM version under W2K-Pro to a newer SM version under XP-Pro

[John Boyle]

NoOp wrote:
> On 12/16/2008 05:23 PM, John Boyle wrote:
> 
> What John Boyle wrote will no longer be seen here.
> 
To NoOp: In a positive way, I hope!
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Re: Moving from one SM version under W2K-Pro to a newer SM version under XP-Pro

[John Boyle]

John Doue wrote:
> John Boyle wrote:
>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>> HenriK wrote:
>>>> I just hope Seamonkey v.2.xx doesn't change too radically.
>>> unfortunately, it will! :-(
>>>
>> To Peter: That is what I am afraid of, as I really need to be able to
>> use what I have fully, without STRESS, which Robert Kaiser refuses to
>> understand nor do any of the other "developers"? Why do they keep on
>> being arrogant, after all the users who have tried to tell them they are
>> WRONG in what they are doing And, despite there flippancy about
>> how people can contribute or whatever, they SEEM to  both ignore what is
>> suggested and NOT bother to say how people CAN contribute or change
>> something, IN DETAIL! As someone else said on this newsgroup, I am 65
>> yrs. old, plus a few months,and have HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE AND
>> HYPERTENSION,  and the so called developers have NO RESPECT for either
>> the users or someone who is older and trying to cope and learn! I
>> DESPISE ARROGANCE AND INTOLERANCE AND, YET THAT IS ALL THEY PUT OUT,
>> WITHOUT REGARDS TO COMMON SENSE OR COURTESY!  They are so-called
>> volunteers, but they put on airs as if they were dictators! I had hoped
>> that Ed Mullen and you would be able to pound some sense into Kaiser's
>> head or any of the other so-called developers, but, alas, they REFUSE to
>> listen! What a bunch of Obamanistas's they have turned out to be!!! Same
>> attitude, same stupidity, and they have turned me off entirely!!! I
>> cannot understand why Ed Mullen even gives them any slack, but that is
>> his business! I reiterate what I said before, I WILL NOT UPGRADE TO THE
>> ABOMINATION CALLED SM2! The developers can go jump into Lake
>> Superior, since they regard themselves as so superior, right NOW and
>> enjoy themselves! PHOOEY on them and their lousy behaviour and attitude!
>> It seems that the only persons who really care about what is happening
>> are people who are NOT developers, which tells a large part of what is
>> wrong with the whole process of garbage they are putting out and why it
>> SMELLS so rotten! I do not think I have been so disappointed in
>> something and someone as I have been in THEM!  If you notice I have NOT
>> used one expletive in this whole statement, and, yet, I am a retired
>> Army Sergeant, also! But, the garbage heads will and, if not, they will
>> certainly be as sarcastic as they have proven to be, in everything they
>> have put out on the subject! NONE of them has shown the least amount of
>> courtesy nor have they admitted they could be WRONG in even the least
>> detail NOR will they even LISTEN and take what the user's say
>> whatsoever! I am sending this even though I know it is a waste of time,
>> but at least you might understand, even if Ed Mullen does not seem
>> to Unless you and Ed Mullen and others, who have been with this
>> newsgroup a whole lot longer and can some how hammer the facts of life
>> into the alleged "developers" heads what is really needed, I am afraid
>> that Seamonkey will fail miserably and probably lose what market share
>> it may have against MSFT, now! People are fed up with this kind of
>> attitude and it is about time these so-called developers get off their
>> high horse and learn to walk!! >:o
>>
> John,
> 
> As you may have noticed if you read some of my posts, I do share with
> Peter and others some concerns about the way some features of SM
> *appear* to be headed and I voiced my opinion, which was not always very
> welcome.
> 
> The same thing happened to me yesterday on the TB newsgroup when I dared
> suggest, in an answer to an OP, that I regretted the fonctionality of an
> addon which worked with FF1 and TB1 was no longer available in newer
> version. This got me some comments which were not very pleasant. Looks
> like you are not too welcome on such NG if you voice an opinion which is
> not shared by a "Champion".
> 
> Nevertheless, I always *try* to write what I have to say in a reasonable
> and respectful manner. As you know as a former military, as I am,
> respect and dignity are the best way to handle difficult issues. I think
> you may have been carried away in your comments.
> 
> Robert's reply to you deserves to be read twice. Even if we are part of
> a group of users who has some reasons to be concerned, the best way to
> be heard is to write sensibly and politely, to always allow others can
> have different opinions and to be aware that we seldom have all the
> facts they have.
> 
> I suggest we keep

Re: Moving from one SM version under W2K-Pro to a newer SM version under XP-Pro

[John Boyle]

Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
> HenriK wrote:
>> I just hope Seamonkey v.2.xx doesn't change too radically.
>
> unfortunately, it will! :-(
>
To Peter: That is what I am afraid of, as I really need to be able to
use what I have fully, without STRESS, which Robert Kaiser refuses to
understand nor do any of the other "developers"? Why do they keep on
being arrogant, after all the users who have tried to tell them they are
WRONG in what they are doing And, despite there flippancy about
how people can contribute or whatever, they SEEM to  both ignore what is
suggested and NOT bother to say how people CAN contribute or change
something, IN DETAIL! As someone else said on this newsgroup, I am 65
yrs. old, plus a few months,and have HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE AND
HYPERTENSION,  and the so called developers have NO RESPECT for either
the users or someone who is older and trying to cope and learn! I
DESPISE ARROGANCE AND INTOLERANCE AND, YET THAT IS ALL THEY PUT OUT,
WITHOUT REGARDS TO COMMON SENSE OR COURTESY!  They are so-called
volunteers, but they put on airs as if they were dictators! I had hoped
that Ed Mullen and you would be able to pound some sense into Kaiser's
head or any of the other so-called developers, but, alas, they REFUSE to
listen! What a bunch of Obamanistas's they have turned out to be!!! Same
attitude, same stupidity, and they have turned me off entirely!!! I
cannot understand why Ed Mullen even gives them any slack, but that is
his business! I reiterate what I said before, I WILL NOT UPGRADE TO THE
ABOMINATION CALLED SM2! The developers can go jump into Lake
Superior, since they regard themselves as so superior, right NOW and
enjoy themselves! PHOOEY on them and their lousy behaviour and attitude!
It seems that the only persons who really care about what is happening
are people who are NOT developers, which tells a large part of what is
wrong with the whole process of garbage they are putting out and why it
SMELLS so rotten! I do not think I have been so disappointed in
something and someone as I have been in THEM!  If you notice I have NOT
used one expletive in this whole statement, and, yet, I am a retired
Army Sergeant, also! But, the garbage heads will and, if not, they will
certainly be as sarcastic as they have proven to be, in everything they
have put out on the subject! NONE of them has shown the least amount of
courtesy nor have they admitted they could be WRONG in even the least
detail NOR will they even LISTEN and take what the user's say
whatsoever! I am sending this even though I know it is a waste of time,
but at least you might understand, even if Ed Mullen does not seem
to Unless you and Ed Mullen and others, who have been with this
newsgroup a whole lot longer and can some how hammer the facts of life
into the alleged "developers" heads what is really needed, I am afraid
that Seamonkey will fail miserably and probably lose what market share
it may have against MSFT, now! People are fed up with this kind of
attitude and it is about time these so-called developers get off their
high horse and learn to walk!! >:o

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Re: Concerning Firefox and presumably SeaMonkey security

[John Boyle]

NoOp wrote:
> On 12/15/2008 02:58 PM, NoOp wrote:
>   
>> On 12/13/2008 08:34 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Of note to everyone here is that Mozilla (SeaMonkey, Firefox etc.) 
>>> report EVERY security bug once fixed and what it was. Some companies 
>>> like IE, Apple, and possibly even Google (for chrome -- no data), if a 
>>> security bug is only ever found and reported internally, they won't make 
>>> it even known that it _ever_ existed. Where we do and fix it anyway. It 
>>> is a very open community, therefore the potential for others to 
>>> accurately gauge what bugs are fixed on our side is high, whereas on 
>>> Microsoft or Apple's side is relatively low.
>>>
>>>   
>> Agree.
>>
>> Along these lines, this might be of interest to try with SeaMonkey...
>>
>> http://www.info-svc.com/news/2008/12-12/
>> [Google Chrome Receives Lowest Password Security Score]
>>   http://www.info-svc.com/news/2008/12-12/pm-evaluator/
>> [Password Manager Evaluator v2.0]
>>
>> If I get some time later I'll try it with SM 1.1.14 and 2.0a3pre to see
>> what the results are.
>>
>> 
>
> 1.1.14:
> Report
> Test PerformedResult
> Action Authority Checked on Retrieval FAILED
> Action Authority Checked on Save  FAILED
> Action Authority Raises Warnings  FAILED
> Action Path Checked on Retrieval  FAILED
> Action Path Checked on Save   FAILED
> Action Scheme Checked on RetrievalFAILED
> Action Scheme Checked on Save FAILED
> Action Scheme Raises Warnings FAILED
> Action Scheme Prevented if Unsafe FAILED
> Autocomplete=Off Prevents Form Fills  FAILED
> Invisiblility Prevents Form Fills PASSED
> Method Checked on Retrieval   FAILED
> Method Raises WarningsFAILED
> Multiple Paths Per User Per Authority FAILED
> Multiple Ports Per User Per Host  FAILED
> Multi. Schemes Per User Per Authority FAILED
> Page Path Checked on RetrievalFAILED
> Random Name Attr. Prevents Form Fills PASSED
> User Required for PW RetrievalFAILED
> User Required for PW Save FAILED
> Valid URIs Don't Break Anything   PASSED
>
> I reckon I'll run the test again to make sure that I did everything
> correct.
>   
To ALL: There is a question that comes to my mind, as I see a SM 1.1.14
is mentioned, but cannot find that anywhere. Is there really a version
1.1.14 or is that a typo? :-[

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