Re: Lightning 2.2.b.1 + Google Calendar: Login not possible / password noct accepted

[Paul Marwick]

Uwe R. Kunzmann wrote:

Hello,

I've just updated to SeaMonkey 2.17 and Lightning 2.2.b.1.
It's a pitty - but i can't login to my google calendar anymore. The password 
will not be accepted, although I checked it several times and made a parallel 
login to google in the web browser.
Any idea?



:( Same problem here. I hope there is a simple solution - I've been 
using Lightning with Seamonkey and my Google calendar for quite a while, 
would hate to lose the facility now.


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Re: Lightning 2.2.b.1 + Google Calendar: Login not possible / password noct accepted

[Paul Marwick]

Petr Voralek wrote:

Hello!

   On 04/03/2013 08:26 PM, *Uwe R. Kunzmann* wrote, and I quote (in part):


It's a pitty - but i can't login to my google calendar anymore. The
password will not be accepted, although I checked it several times
and made a parallel login to google in the web browser.
Any idea?

   I had the same problem.  I solved it by installing
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/provider-for-google-calendar/
(I switched from CalDAV back to Google Calendar)...



Already installed here. Doesn't help the problem with 2.17. I still get 
endlessly prompted for the password and fail to connect.


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Re: Lightning 2.2.b.1 + Google Calendar: Login not possible / password noct accepted

[Paul Marwick]

Harry Bohungus wrote:

On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 8:46:21 PM UTC-7, Paul Marwick wrote:

Uwe R. Kunzmann wrote:


Hello,
I've just updated to SeaMonkey 2.17 and Lightning 2.2.b.1.
It's a pitty - but i can't login to my google calendar anymore. The password 
will not be accepted, although I checked it several times and made a parallel 
login to google in the web browser.
Any idea?



:( Same problem here. I hope there is a simple solution - I've been

using Lightning with Seamonkey and my Google calendar for quite a while,

would hate to lose the facility now.



Paul.

Install 0.21pre from here:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/seamonkey/addon/provider-for-google-calendar/versions/

That fixed it for me on 2.17.


Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, hasn't worked here - I'm still 
getting the password prompt recycling every time I try to log into my 
Google calendar.


:( Oh well, back to the drawing board

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Re: Lightning 2.2.b.1 + Google Calendar: Login not possible / password noct accepted

[Paul Marwick]

Harry Bohungus wrote:

On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 8:46:21 PM UTC-7, Paul Marwick wrote:

Uwe R. Kunzmann wrote:


Hello,
I've just updated to SeaMonkey 2.17 and Lightning 2.2.b.1.
It's a pitty - but i can't login to my google calendar anymore. The password 
will not be accepted, although I checked it several times and made a parallel 
login to google in the web browser.
Any idea?



:( Same problem here. I hope there is a simple solution - I've been

using Lightning with Seamonkey and my Google calendar for quite a while,

would hate to lose the facility now.



Paul.

Install 0.21pre from here:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/seamonkey/addon/provider-for-google-calendar/versions/

That fixed it for me on 2.17.



:) I take it back. For some reason, it failed to install the first time 
round. Just tried again, this time it is working.


Thanks!

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Re: Telling SM to do internal reboot

[Paul Marwick]

On 19/05/13 10:15, Stéphane Grégoire wrote:

Hi,

Bill Davidsen a tapoté, le 19/05/2013 02:12:

In particular the reboot to same open
windows, as done after updating with the add-on manager, would be ideal.

There is restart-less restart extension which I use on debian iceape and
windows XP seamonkey :

  I use "Ctrl Alt r" in web window to restart seamonkey.




I have similar problems, but I really need something that can restart 
Seamonkey without manual intervention - a cron event which runs every 
couple of days would be ideal


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spell check in 2.35

[Paul Marwick]

Its taken me a couple of days to notice this. I'm running 2.35 under 
Arch Linux (using the Arch build). Most things seem to be working fine, 
including fixing the problem with accepting self-signed certificates 
which was crippling my use of most of the recent releases. However


Noticed a few hours ago that spell checking is not working, or at least 
is only working sometimes. Its certainly not working in the email 
client, and only sees to be working on some browser input (seemed to be 
working when I was searching Google, but not when I was entering a 
message in a forum). I've made sure that the English (GB) dictionary is 
installed, but haven't been able to update the en_gb language pack - the 
link I use 
(Indeftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/) 
 never 
connects and I don't know of any other source for the language packs.


I also can't find the settings for spell checking any more (Edit > 
Preferences > Composition > spelling). I've not used it in a while, so I 
don't know if it was there in other recent builds.


Is anyone else seeing this probem, or is it something odd in my profile 
(the one I'm using has been around for quite a while...).


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Re: spell check in 2.35

[Paul Marwick]

On 09/09/15 20:21, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Paul Marwick wrote:

Its taken me a couple of days to notice this. I'm running 2.35 under
Arch Linux (using the Arch build). Most things seem to be working fine,
including fixing the problem with accepting self-signed certificates
which was crippling my use of most of the recent releases. However

Noticed a few hours ago that spell checking is not working, or at least
is only working sometimes. Its certainly not working in the email
client, and only sees to be working on some browser input (seemed to be
working when I was searching Google, but not when I was entering a
message in a forum). I've made sure that the English (GB) dictionary is
installed, but haven't been able to update the en_gb language pack - the
link I use
(Indeftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/)
<ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/> never
connects and I don't know of any other source for the language packs.


I saw a while ago something about FTP access having been removed. The 
content can still be accessed via HTTP:

  http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/
If you have other similar links, just replace the initial "ftp:" with 
"http:"


:) Thanks. Hadn't seen that. That link got me an updated en_GB language 
pack...



I also can't find the settings for spell checking any more (Edit >
Preferences > Composition > spelling). I've not used it in a while, so I
don't know if it was there in other recent builds.


In SeaMonkey 2.33.1 on Windows, spell check settings are under Edit > 
Preferences > Appearance > Spelling. Not sure if that might have 
changed in 2.35 or on Linux. There is an option to control which types 
of fields are checked on web pages:

- Nothing
- Only mutliline boxes (like you might have for forum posts)
- All boxes (including single-line boxes, like Google search)
Strangely, it sounds like you're getting single-line boxes checked but 
not multiline, which isn't one of the options!


Thanks again. I guess it shows how long its been since I needed to check 
whether the spell check was on or not. Found in the same place in the 
Linux version.




Perhaps check the the language is set correctly for the boxes spell 
checking doesn't work with - right click > Languages > there should be 
a bullet point next to the active language.



Is anyone else seeing this probem, or is it something odd in my profile
(the one I'm using has been around for quite a while...).


I hadn't noticed any problems before, but quickly trying this out, I 
did find the spell checking wasn't working in the main search box on 
https://duckduckgo.com/. No language was selected for that box, and 
after selecting a language, spell checking worked.





I think it may have been the language pack itself. It was still marked 
as active and default, but after installing the new language pack and 
checking that spell check was enabled for multi-line boxes, spell check 
works again. Many thanks...


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Profile problem?

[Paul Marwick]

I've been using Seamonkey for a long time, both for general web browsing 
and as a mail client. Currently running the Arch Linux build. As below:


User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/42.0 SeaMonkey/2.39


I have several email accounts, though my main account is Gmail, using 
Imap. I also have a number of filters in Seamonkey sorting mail into 
different "folders".


When I opened Seamonkey mail a little while ago, all that is displayed 
is the main Gmail inbox. None of the filter folders are shown, and I 
cannot access any of the other accounts, nor can I access local folders. 
If I select "go" from the menu, I can see all the accounts, but they are 
grayed out and I cannot select any of them.


Looking in .mozilla/seamonkey/(xxx)default/Imapmail/imap.gmail.com, all 
the entries for my normal mail folders are there, I just can't access 
any of them from Seamonkey.


I've had to rebuild profiles a few times in the past, but I've never 
seen this problem before, and I'm more than a little bored with having 
to fix things like this.


Can anyone suggest what the cause might be, and, even better, a quick 
way of fixing it without having to rebuild my complete profile?


Thanks...

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Re: Profile problem?

[Paul Marwick]

On 07/02/16 04:58, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Paul Marwick wrote:

I've been using Seamonkey for a long time, both for general web browsing
and as a mail client. Currently running the Arch Linux build. As below:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/42.0 SeaMonkey/2.39

I have several email accounts, though my main account is Gmail, using
Imap. I also have a number of filters in Seamonkey sorting mail into
different "folders".

When I opened Seamonkey mail a little while ago, all that is displayed
is the main Gmail inbox. None of the filter folders are shown, and I
cannot access any of the other accounts, nor can I access local folders.
If I select "go" from the menu, I can see all the accounts, but they are
grayed out and I cannot select any of them.

Looking in .mozilla/seamonkey/(xxx)default/Imapmail/imap.gmail.com, all
the entries for my normal mail folders are there, I just can't access
any of them from Seamonkey.

I've had to rebuild profiles a few times in the past, but I've never
seen this problem before, and I'm more than a little bored with having
to fix things like this.

Can anyone suggest what the cause might be, and, even better, a quick
way of fixing it without having to rebuild my complete profile?


You said all the mbox files are in your profile folder, is this also 
confirmed when using your file manager. And since you said you have 
"rebuild" your profiles, they do have the correct ownership and 
permissions, right?



Sorry, should have been more specific. I can't see anything other than 
the Gmail inbox from within Seamonkey. When I look with a file manager, 
all the files are in place, and all of them have the correct owenership 
and permissions.


I have no option to select any of the other accounts (I have a gmx 
account, plus two or three accounts to email servers in small business 
servers that I maintain). All the accounts are visible under the "go" 
menu item, but all of them (including the Gmail account) are grayed out.


I have another Seamonkey mail account set up on a desktop machine. It is 
only configured for Gmail, and is having no problems accessing the 
various folders in the account. Using Seamonkey web browser, I can still 
see the whole account as well. It is only my laptop setup that is having 
this problem. Trouble is, naturally, that is the setup that I use most 
often. At the moment, I'm using Thunderbird on the laptop, but I'm not 
very fond of Thunderbird and would really like to get back to the 
Seamonkey mail client.


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Re: Profile problem?

[Paul Marwick]

On 07/02/16 15:43, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Paul Marwick wrote:




Sorry, should have been more specific. I can't see anything other than
the Gmail inbox from within Seamonkey. When I look with a file manager,
all the files are in place, and all of them have the correct owenership
and permissions.


Okay that helps rule out and obvious filesystem issue which can happen 
when restoring files in a profile when say using a live session and 
you elevate privileges with sudo.


Seemed no reason for that - if nothing else, its been a while since I 
last had to rebuild the profile, and there are no signs of any other 
file system problems. Certainly worth checking though.




Strange, but have you done the obvious things first.

Start SeaMonkey in safe mode to rule out some extension interfering here?


I hadn't done that. :) I've never had a need to start Seamonkey in safe 
mode before, had to do a search to find out how to do it.


Starting in safe mode works - all accounts are back and all folders 
under the gmail account are visible again. I then tried disabling all 
the external extensions and restarting in normal mode. Same problem. 
I've not yet tried disabling standard extensions. I guess that would be 
the next step




And for problem mail folders right-clicking on folders and click 
"Properties > Repair folders"?


Tried that for all folders under all accounts, no change. Still comes up 
with only the gmail inbox visible if I start in normal mode.




Lastly, are all the accounts IMAP or are some POP3? If they are all 
IMAP then just removed all the accounts and recreate them since all 
the mail is on the server and see if you somehow have corrupted the 
account settings.


All the accounts are IMAP, so I guess that is probably what I'll try 
next, though the fact that they seem normal and available in safe mode 
makes me think that the problem is elsewhere.





Is it the same setup on the Desktop that you wish to have duplicated 
on the Laptop? If so, why not just copy the one from the desktop and 
put it on your laptop and point to the profile in the profile.ini?





:) I thought of that. Problem is, they aren't identical. I use the 
laptop a lot more than I use the desktop, so there are big differences 
in the bookmarks and also in the stored passwords. I did have a list of 
which files are involved for those - maybe I can copy the profile from 
the desktop and then replace the book mark and password files. I'll make 
another backup of the laptop profile and give that a try, once I work 
out which files I need (places.sqlite and signons.sqlite, I think).


Thanks for the suggestions. Any other ideas - I don't really want to 
start disabling standard extensions without some idea of what I'm doing.


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Re: Profile problem?

[Paul Marwick]

On 08/02/16 11:45, Daniel wrote:



Paul, I note you are posting using Linux (normally I would be as well, 
but it's broke att!)


:) Yes. I use Windows so seldom that I don't have any mail setup under 
it at all...




If, with-in SeaMonkey, you go to Edit->Mail & Newsgroup Account 
Settings and select "Server Settings" for one of the accounts that are 
broken and note, at the bottom of that screen, the "Local directory" 
location.


Then completely close SeaMonkey and go to the noted location and 
ensure you have permission to use those directories.


I've checked ownership and permissions on all the mail folders. All are 
correct, so it doesn't look like a permission problem. In addition, this 
happened on Saturday evening. I'd been using Seamonkey mail during the 
afternoon without problems, so other than a filesystem problem, it had 
to have been due to an update. I run Arch Linux, which gets updated very 
frequently.


I've just had a look at the pacman logs. I updated a couple of things on 
Saturday afternoon and probably hadn't restarted the laptop until the 
evening. Looking at the list of updates for Saturday, the only one I can 
see that I think might make a difference is Java. But I've disabled the 
java plugin, so I would hope it isn't creating the problem.



If you've just installed SM, you may have set things up so that only 
Root has permission to use those folders/directories!!


:) I've been using Seamonkey for years, and that profile has been around 
since at least Seamonkey 3.25 or 3.26 (I had problems with one of the 
upgrades back then and ended up having to manually rebuild the profile.


I share the profile between several different Linux distributions - I've 
got Xubuntu 14.04, another Arch install and Sparky Linux installed on 
the laptop. I share the profile by having symlinks from the primary Arch 
user account to the user accounts I have in the other distros. I'm 
always careful to keep the same install version of Seamonkey on all of 
the installs -had problems a few years ago when one distro was slow to 
update Seamonkey and I didn't notice...


Thanks for the suggestions.

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Re: Profile problem?

[Paul Marwick]

Jonathan N. Little wrote:


Yes, I'd say it is an extension misbehaving.


Strange. I tried disabling everything in the addon manager, even the 
ones that are installed with Seamonkey itself. No change


There is no standard extension that when disabled would stop SeaMonkey 
for working. The only "standard extensions" installed by default on 
Ubuntu is just ChatZilla and DOM Inspector, neither of which is 
essential to SeaMonkey




Still don't know what the problem was/is. I've ended up copying the 
profile from the desktop machine, then replacing a few files with those 
from the laptop - abook.mab for addresses, places.sqlite for the bookmakrs.


:) It would be nice to see an updated list of what files Seamonkey uses. 
I've got some in the profile directory which haven't been changed in 
several years, and I'm never quite sure which files are needed. 
signons.sqlite doesn't look as though it is the current password file, 
so I hope I've got all the passwords I need transfered. I've still got a 
backup of the profile from the laptop, so I guess I can still pull more 
files out of it if I find something missing.


Would still like to know what caused the original problem

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Re: File->Bookmark broken??

[Paul Marwick]

Daniel wrote:

On 19/04/2016 1:06 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

On 4/18/2016 7:37 AM, Daniel's fingers rattled off:

Normally, when I file a Bookmark, I want to put it in a particular
Group/Sub-Folder, but, with this Windows version of SM 2.40, I'm having
troubles getting to particular Sub-Folders, e.g. somebody recently
posted a link to http://info.cern.ch/ with a claim that it was the 
first

*ever* website, so I thought I'd save the link in my "General"
Sub-Folder of my Bookmarks.

Previously, a sub-screen would open showing my Bookmarks file structure
and I would just select the Sub-Folder that I wanted the new Bookmark
saved to, then click "O.K." and ... job done.

Now, I think, when I click on Bookmarks->File Bookmark, I am taken to a
"New Bookmark" screen, which allows me to add bits and pieces about the
new bookmark, but doesn't allow me to select the particular sub-folder
that I want the Bookmark saved to  unless it happens to be one of
the half dozen or so listed on the "Folder:" drop-down of the
sub-screen. Where this list comes from, I don't know ... unless it is a
listing of the sub-folders to which I may have previously filed
bookmarks directly to.

Have I started doing something wrong?? How do I get back to the old
situation where I could file a bookmark to any of the forty or more
sub-folders in my Bookmarks Folder??

(Lately, any bookmarks I save are just being added to the bottom of the
Bookmarks drop-down! :-(  )



In the New Bookmark dialog it has a line Folder:  with a button saying
Bookmarks Menu.  Click the down arrow to the right.  Click on "Choose."
  Choose your folder and click "Save."


Thanks for that, Ed, but as I typed above, when I click "Choose", I 
only get offered those sub-folders that I have saved to recently (the 
half dozen or so listed) not the full screen length list.




I'm having the same problem. New with 2.40. However, you can fix it on a 
temporary (and very annoying basis), simply by dragging the bottom of 
the selection window down. With that, you will be able to see and scroll 
through the bookmark folders as before. Trouble is, it doesn't stick. 
Next time you use "File Bookmark", you'll have to drag the window longer 
again.


There is a bug open, but no idea when/if it will be fixed. Its very 
annoying


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Re: File->Bookmark broken??

[Paul Marwick]

EE wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Normally, when I file a Bookmark, I want to put it in a particular
Group/Sub-Folder, but, with this Windows version of SM 2.40, I'm having
troubles getting to particular Sub-Folders, e.g. somebody recently
posted a link to http://info.cern.ch/ with a claim that it was the first
*ever* website, so I thought I'd save the link in my "General"
Sub-Folder of my Bookmarks.

Previously, a sub-screen would open showing my Bookmarks file structure
and I would just select the Sub-Folder that I wanted the new Bookmark
saved to, then click "O.K." and ... job done.

Now, I think, when I click on Bookmarks->File Bookmark, I am taken to a
"New Bookmark" screen, which allows me to add bits and pieces about the
new bookmark, but doesn't allow me to select the particular sub-folder
that I want the Bookmark saved to  unless it happens to be one of
the half dozen or so listed on the "Folder:" drop-down of the
sub-screen. Where this list comes from, I don't know ... unless it is a
listing of the sub-folders to which I may have previously filed
bookmarks directly to.

Have I started doing something wrong?? How do I get back to the old
situation where I could file a bookmark to any of the forty or more
sub-folders in my Bookmarks Folder??

(Lately, any bookmarks I save are just being added to the bottom of the
Bookmarks drop-down! :-(  )

If you click the button on the "Folder" line that is nearer to the 
edge of the dialog box, you should see the whole folder list. 
SeaMonkey lately has a bug with that dialog box that prevents it from 
getting longer to accommodate that folder list, however, so it 
required a little patching to fix it.  I did that patching with my 
userChrome.css file.
In addition to the namespace line, which must be the first code there, 
I added:


#bookmarkproperties {
min-height:830px !important;}


Thanks for that. Works well (though 830px is excessive on my laptop). 
The problem was starting to irritate me quite a bit :)


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PDF viewer

[Paul Marwick]

A while ago, there was an addon which allowed PDFs to be viewed directly 
in Seamonkey. Can't remember where it came from, and can't find it in 
the addon lists.


In the most recent Arch Linux build, there is an Evince plugin which is 
supposed to handle PDF files. Seems to be the same in the Arch build of 
Firefox also. It works in Firefox, but causes Seamonkey to lock up 
completely. I can (eventually) force Seamonkey closed, but that is it


Does anyone know how I can find the old internal viewer addon so I can 
remove it and see if that allows the Evince plugin to work? Otherwise, I 
have to disable any attempt to view PDFs online and force download 
instead, which doesn't work with all sites.


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Re: PDF viewer

[Paul Marwick]

lj wrote:

Paul Marwick wrote:
A while ago, there was an addon which allowed PDFs to be viewed 
directly in
Seamonkey. Can't remember where it came from, and can't find it in 
the addon

lists.


PDF.js - which is now included with Firefox - does also work with 
Seamonkey (although it was broken with Seamonkey-2.40 for a while).
If you go to https://github.com/mozilla/pdf.js and scroll down in the 
README displayed at the bottom, right-click Save Link Target As on the 
link "Development Version". That will get you an XPI file you can 
install in Seamonkey Add-ons Manager.


Thanks. That was the one. The development version works again :) What 
was puzzling me was that the older version did not show up in the 
Add-ons Manager, but still seemed to be present (or at least was present 
enough to interfere with use of the Evince plugin, which was working 
with the Linux version of Firefox. I'm not sure if the addition of the 
Evince plugin is specific to Arch - will have to look at some other 
Linux builds.


I've bookmarked the page this time so I can find it in future. Thanks 
again...


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SM 2.46 overrides interface settings

[Paul Marwick]

I've just upgraded to 2.46 (64-bit, Arch Linux build). Generally working 
well, but one thing that I've found no way of changing is that it seams 
to be overriding the interface settings I have.


On my laptop, I've selected window controls that include conventional 
scroll bars - arrow click at top and bottom. I do this because I find 
scrolling with the touchpad inconsistent. However, the new version of SM 
has replaced my standard scroll bars with sliders, even though nothing 
else on the desktop uses these.


I much prefer software to behave the way *I* select, but so far, I've 
found nothing that allows me to revert to the behaviour I want.


Am I missing something, or is this something I have to learn to live with?

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Problems migrating data from an old profile to a new one

[Paul Marwick]

I've been having all sorts of problems with 2.29 and 2.29.1. On my 
desktop, 2.29.1 now seems to be working fairly well. On my laptop, it 
either can't see my email accounts or the browser won't run. In 
frustration, I decided to let 2.29.1 create a new profile and migrate 
data from the old one to it. Main things I wanted were email accounts, 
bookmarks and passwords. However...


I read this page - 
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Transferring_data_to_a_new_profile_-_SeaMonkey 
prior to starting. Trouble is, it doesn't seem to have been updated 
since sometime in 2009, so a good bit of it seems to now be obsolete. 
And I've not found other sources that are much better.


bookmarks.html no longer exists, and places.sqlite doesn't seem to 
contain my original bookmarks. I've got round most of the problem by 
exporting bookmarks.html from the old profile (its still active and 
available under a different Linux distribution). But passwords has so 
far got me completely lost.


I followed the directions - used the new profile to log into a password 
protected site, saved the password. But there is no .s file 
created. And no information that I can find to help me actually get the 
password data from the old profile to the new one.


I've used Seamonkey for as long as its been around, and prefer it to 
Firefox/Thunderbird, but I've got to admit, the problems with language 
files, profile problems and just general mess involved with 2.29 is 
making me seriously consider migrating to something else entirely. Which 
I'd rather not do, but


I'm using the Arch 64-bit build of 2.291.

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Re: Problems migrating data from an old profile to a new one

[Paul Marwick]

Ed Mullen wrote:

Paul Marwick wrote on 10/6/2014 2:23 AM:

I followed the directions - used the new profile to log into a password
protected site, saved the password. But there is no .s file
created. And no information that I can find to help me actually get the
password data from the old profile to the new one.


Passwords are in: signons.sqlite - you also want the old profile's 
key3.db file, the key database for passwords


Thanks for that. Something odd going on though - still doesn't pick up 
any of the passwords. I tried killing the new profile and starting 
again, this time logged into a web site and saved my password. No sign 
of a signons.sqlie being generated by doing so, but going into password 
manager from the browser menu shows the saved password.


I'm also interested in where current versions of Seamonkey keep 
bookmarks. Looking at the Firefox docs, Firefox seems to use 
places.sqlite, but that doesn't seem to work with Seamonkey either.


:( I really don't want to give up on Seamonkey, but this is becoming 
increasingly frustrating. Especially since the old profile works ok on 
one machine, just not on the one I use most frequently.


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Re: Problems migrating data from an old profile to a new one

[Paul Marwick]

Ed Mullen wrote:

Paul Marwick wrote on 10/6/2014 3:50 PM:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Paul Marwick wrote on 10/6/2014 2:23 AM:
I followed the directions - used the new profile to log into a 
password

protected site, saved the password. But there is no .s file
created. And no information that I can find to help me actually get 
the

password data from the old profile to the new one.


Passwords are in: signons.sqlite - you also want the old profile's
key3.db file, the key database for passwords


Thanks for that. Something odd going on though - still doesn't pick up
any of the passwords. I tried killing the new profile and starting
again, this time logged into a web site and saved my password. No sign
of a signons.sqlie being generated by doing so, but going into password
manager from the browser menu shows the saved password.

I'm also interested in where current versions of Seamonkey keep
bookmarks. Looking at the Firefox docs, Firefox seems to use
places.sqlite, but that doesn't seem to work with Seamonkey either.

:( I really don't want to give up on Seamonkey, but this is becoming
increasingly frustrating. Especially since the old profile works ok on
one machine, just not on the one I use most frequently.

Paul.



Well, I'm a Windows user, not Linux.  Still, I think the files are the 
same in this case.  Bookmarks are kept in places.sqlite in SM as far 
as I know.  You might want to peruse Mozillazine ala:


<http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_SeaMonkey>


Thanks for that link - it gives me some data that I hadn't found in my 
earlier searches, and is a bit more up-to-date than the link I found on 
migrating profiles.


So far as I know, the only difference is in the profile location. Can't 
see any reason that the files would be any different between Windows and 
Linux. In Linux, the profile is stored in a hidden (. prefix) directory 
called mozilla/seamonkey/ under the users' home directory, 
but it certainly looks as though the profile files are the same.


I've made a bit more progress. First, I've managed to get the bookmarks 
correctly picked up. Turns out its not only places.sqlite you need. 
There are two other files - places.sqlite-shm and places.sqlite-wal. If 
those are also copied over, bookmarks work. I missed them when I first 
tried to move things - they seem to be changed at the end of any session 
and sometimes appear as places.sqlite.corrupt-???. Pity there doesn't 
seem to be any documentation for it


Second is not so good. It seems that the format for the password file 
has changed again. Passwords are now stored in logins.json. Which, 
naturally, is not an sqlite file. Looking at my working version of 
2.29.1, it looks as though the first (successful) launch of the new 
version converted from signons.sqlite. Whether there is any other way of 
doing it is not clear at the moment. I hope someone can give me a method 
of doing so


If there isn't a method, I guess I'm going to have to archive my current 
2.26 profile, start a fresh 2.26 profile, then pull in things like 
bookmarks and passwords, then hope that this time, it will work when 
"upgrading" to 2.29.1.


I've been using Seamonkey since the days of the original OS/2 mozilla 
suite. Tried Firefox (called Phoenix in those days?) and Thunderbird 
when separate applications came out, but soon went back to the suite. 
The last few days has brought me closer to abandoning it than ever before...


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Re: Problems migrating data from an old profile to a new one

[Paul Marwick]

Ed Mullen wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote on 10/7/2014 12:58 PM:

Paul Marwick wrote on 10/7/2014 12:17 PM:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Paul Marwick wrote on 10/6/2014 3:50 PM:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Paul Marwick wrote on 10/6/2014 2:23 AM:

I followed the directions - used the new profile to log into a
password
protected site, saved the password. But there is no .s 
file

created. And no information that I can find to help me actually get
the
password data from the old profile to the new one.


Passwords are in: signons.sqlite - you also want the old profile's
key3.db file, the key database for passwords


Thanks for that. Something odd going on though - still doesn't 
pick up

any of the passwords. I tried killing the new profile and starting
again, this time logged into a web site and saved my password. No 
sign
of a signons.sqlie being generated by doing so, but going into 
password

manager from the browser menu shows the saved password.

I'm also interested in where current versions of Seamonkey keep
bookmarks. Looking at the Firefox docs, Firefox seems to use
places.sqlite, but that doesn't seem to work with Seamonkey either.

:( I really don't want to give up on Seamonkey, but this is becoming
increasingly frustrating. Especially since the old profile works 
ok on

one machine, just not on the one I use most frequently.

Paul.



Well, I'm a Windows user, not Linux.  Still, I think the files are the
same in this case.  Bookmarks are kept in places.sqlite in SM as far
as I know.  You might want to peruse Mozillazine ala:

<http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_SeaMonkey>


Thanks for that link - it gives me some data that I hadn't found in my
earlier searches, and is a bit more up-to-date than the link I found on
migrating profiles.

So far as I know, the only difference is in the profile location. Can't
see any reason that the files would be any different between Windows 
and

Linux. In Linux, the profile is stored in a hidden (. prefix) directory
called mozilla/seamonkey/ under the users' home 
directory,

but it certainly looks as though the profile files are the same.

I've made a bit more progress. First, I've managed to get the bookmarks
correctly picked up. Turns out its not only places.sqlite you need.
There are two other files - places.sqlite-shm and places.sqlite-wal. If
those are also copied over, bookmarks work. I missed them when I first
tried to move things - they seem to be changed at the end of any 
session

and sometimes appear as places.sqlite.corrupt-???. Pity there doesn't
seem to be any documentation for it


Now that's interesting. I copy places.sqlite often to my Firefox profile
and all the bookmarks work without the other files you mention.


Second is not so good. It seems that the format for the password file
has changed again. Passwords are now stored in logins.json. Which,
naturally, is not an sqlite file. Looking at my working version of
2.29.1, it looks as though the first (successful) launch of the new
version converted from signons.sqlite. Whether there is any other 
way of
doing it is not clear at the moment. I hope someone can give me a 
method

of doing so


I used to use Password Exporter extension but it says it's not available
for SM 2.29.1. :-(

<https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/password-exporter/?src=ss> 



Just for fun I tried installing it on 29.1.1 and it works.  I 
installed from the .xpi file saved on my disk.  You can try at the 
link above but if it doesn't work let me know and I'll send you the .xpi


Thanks, I'd appreciate that. It won't install to 2.6.1 either.

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Re: Problems migrating data from an old profile to a new one

[Paul Marwick]

Ed Mullen wrote:




It installed just fine in SM 2.29.1 for me.


Thanks! Installed fine on 2.26.1 as well. I then used wget to download a 
copy in case I need it again :)




An aside, it's probably not a good idea to have an exported password 
file sitting around on your hard drive in plain view.  If you do use 
this, put the exported file in a secure encrypted location.


I use Safehouse encryption: 

Good idea. Its the sort of thing I'd use and then delete, but keeping a 
copy in an encrypted form might not be a bad idea. I used to use WoaS 
for a lot of notes, and had an encrypted page in my notes file for 
passwords. Unfortunately, with some of the sillier changes that recent 
browser versions have made to "local" security, WoaS is not currently an 
option, so something else to encrypt files sounds like a good idea.


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Re: Problems migrating data from an old profile to a new one

[Paul Marwick]

Ed Mullen wrote:

Paul Marwick wrote on 10/9/2014 11:32 AM:

Ed Mullen wrote:


<http://edmullen.net/temp/password_exporter-1.2.1-fx+tb+sm.xpi>

It installed just fine in SM 2.29.1 for me.


Thanks! Installed fine on 2.26.1 as well. I then used wget to download a
copy in case I need it again :)



An aside, it's probably not a good idea to have an exported password
file sitting around on your hard drive in plain view.  If you do use
this, put the exported file in a secure encrypted location.

I use Safehouse encryption: <http://www.safehousesoftware.com/>


Good idea. Its the sort of thing I'd use and then delete, but keeping a
copy in an encrypted form might not be a bad idea. I used to use WoaS
for a lot of notes, and had an encrypted page in my notes file for
passwords. Unfortunately, with some of the sillier changes that recent
browser versions have made to "local" security, WoaS is not currently an
option, so something else to encrypt files sounds like a good idea.

Paul.


You can always use Windows itself to encrypt:

<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/encrypt-decrypt-folder-file#1TC=windows-7> 



:) That was one of the major advantages of using WoaS - platform 
independent. As it stands,  using Windows to encrypt anything is a waste 
of time for me. I have Win7 installed on the laptop, but if it gets used 
once a month its an unusual month


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Re: v2.30 is out.

[Paul Marwick]

W3BNR wrote:

On 10/16/2014 4:17 PM, EE wrote:

Ant wrote:

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.30/ but no final
release notes yet? I hope they fixed the issues I saw in v2.29 to cause
me to go back to v2.26.1 like the address books' sorting, place.sqlite's
history getting corrupted, etc.

Thank you in advance. :)

The addressbook is fixed, but the bookmark restore from backup is not.



Neither is the 'always load remote content' in e-mail.



Worse than that, it doesn't want to show remote content at all here. 
Clicking on "show remote content" does nothing at all


Paul


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Handling of security certificates

[Paul Marwick]

I've just hit a new problem with Seamonkey 2.30.

Just finished installing a new small Linux server. I needed to access 
the web page on the server. Fired up Seamonkey, entered https: and 
the port number. And got this message:


"An error occurred during a connection to test1:1. The key does not 
support the requested operation. (Error code: sec_error_invalid_key)


The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity 
of the received data could not be verified.


Please contact the web site owners to inform them of this problem."

And it won't let me log on. Wonderful I know the key is not offical. 
And I don't care - its on my internal network. At least in older 
versions I was given a warning and allowed to make an exception. Seems 
that I'm now to be "protected", even when I do know exactly what I'm doing!


Firefox exhibits exactly the same over protective nonsense. In the end, 
I had to use Chromium to access the setup page.


Is this expected behaviour, or is it something I've (yet again) got 
messed up in my profile?


I've used Seamonkey since the old Mozilla suite. But if this is about to 
become standard, it is about to get dropped. Permanently!


User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/33.0 SeaMonkey/2.30


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Re: Handling of security certificates

[Paul Marwick]

NoOp wrote:

On 11/18/2014 01:50 PM, Paul Marwick wrote:

I've just hit a new problem with Seamonkey 2.30.

Just finished installing a new small Linux server. I needed to access
the web page on the server. Fired up Seamonkey, entered https: and
the port number. And got this message:

"An error occurred during a connection to test1:1. The key does not
support the requested operation. (Error code: sec_error_invalid_key)

The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity
of the received data could not be verified.

Please contact the web site owners to inform them of this problem."

And it won't let me log on. Wonderful I know the key is not offical.
And I don't care - its on my internal network. At least in older
versions I was given a warning and allowed to make an exception. Seems
that I'm now to be "protected", even when I do know exactly what I'm doing!

Firefox exhibits exactly the same over protective nonsense. In the end,
I had to use Chromium to access the setup page.

Is this expected behaviour, or is it something I've (yet again) got
messed up in my profile?

I've used Seamonkey since the old Mozilla suite. But if this is about to
become standard, it is about to get dropped. Permanently!

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/33.0 SeaMonkey/2.30

Paul.



These might be of interest:

<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1084606>
(Allow overrides for MOZILLA_PKIX_ERROR_INADEQUATE_KEY_SIZE (some cases
of SEC_ERROR_INVALID_KEY in Fx33))
<https://stackoverflow.com/questions/26389964/firefox-33-0-wont-open-a-specific-local-application-error-code-sec-error-inva/26520093#26520093>
<https://superuser.com/questions/826232/how-to-bypass-the-secure-connection-failed-warning-in-firefox-33>


Thanks. That last link allowed me to fix it. I've got a number of small 
servers out there that use Webmin, which was the main problem. 
Generating a new key from within Webmin has fixed those that I can reach 
- I'll have to go onsite for the rest, but it does work.




You still should be able to set an exception via
Edit|Preferences|Privacy&Security|Certificates|Manage Certificates




I may have to try that if I find any sites in the wild that have the 
same problem.


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Re: Handling of security certificates

[Paul Marwick]

Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP] wrote:

I've just hit a new problem with Seamonkey 2.30.

Just finished installing a new small Linux server. I needed to access
the web page on the server. Fired up Seamonkey, entered https: and
the port number. And got this message:

"An error occurred during a connection to test1:1. The key does not
support the requested operation. (Error code: sec_error_invalid_key)

The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity
of the received data could not be verified.

Please contact the web site owners to inform them of this problem."

And it won't let me log on. Wonderful I know the key is not offical.
And I don't care - its on my internal network. At least in older
versions I was given a warning and allowed to make an exception. Seems
that I'm now to be "protected", even when I do know exactly what I'm doing!

Firefox exhibits exactly the same over protective nonsense. In the end,
I had to use Chromium to access the setup page.

Is this expected behaviour, or is it something I've (yet again) got
messed up in my profile?

I've used Seamonkey since the old Mozilla suite. But if this is about to
become standard, it is about to get dropped. Permanently!

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/33.0 SeaMonkey/2.30

Paul.

Is it a self-signed key? If so, no more self signed keys are allowed
if I am not mistaken.




Yes, its a self-signed key. Fortunately, its the key length that is a 
problem, not the fact that it is self-signed. If they try to prevent 
self-signed keys, there are a lot of sites that will suddenly be out of 
reach...


In my case, the page I had the initial problem with was a Webmin page on 
an internal server. This allowed me to fix it so that I can use 
Seamonkey to access it again:


https://superuser.com/questions/826232/how-to-bypass-the-secure-connection-failed-warning-in-firefox-33

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PDF viewer 1.0.277

[Paul Marwick]

I've been using the PDF viewer (v1.0.277) for a while. Worked pretty well.

With Seamonkey 2.33.1 (possibly also with 2.33) it no longer works. Is 
there another alternative, or an update anywhere? I'm not keen on adding 
the adobe plugin - always had problems with it.


Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/36.0 
SeaMonkey/2.33.1


Paul

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Re: PDF viewer 1.0.277

[Paul Marwick]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 03/29/2015 11:32 AM, Paul Marwick wrote:
I've been using the PDF viewer (v1.0.277) for a while. Worked pretty 
well.


With Seamonkey 2.33.1 (possibly also with 2.33) it no longer works. Is
there another alternative, or an update anywhere? I'm not keen on adding
the adobe plugin - always had problems with it.

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/36.0
SeaMonkey/2.33.1

Paul




I just installed the "Development Version" from [mozilla/pdf.js · 
GitHub](https://github.com/mozilla/pdf.js#firefox) currently version 
1.1.26 and it worked in my testing.


Just click the link and it should install.

Still don't see anything under Helper Applications though.

Thanks. That's fixed the problem, at least for the moment. Strange that 
the Helper Applications has nothing - its the same here


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Gmail: unknown device blocked

[Paul Marwick]

I've been using Seamonkey mail as my primary email client for a long 
time. My main email account is a gmail account, which has been in 
existence for a long time as well.


Twice since I installed 2.49.1, I've had messages from Gmail saying that 
someone tried to use my password from an unknown device. In both cases, 
Seamonkey had been running against the gmail account for a period of 
hours at least. One instance was my laptop, then today I got a similar 
warning regarding my desktop machine (which runs Seamonkey mail all the 
time).


In both instances, once I confirmed that the IP used for the "attempt" 
was my own IP, things have gone back to normal.


Is anyone else seeing this sort of error? It may be that Google has done 
something to change its security, but it does seem odd that I've only 
seen the error since I installed the latest version, and it also seems 
odd that Google can't identify the device, even though it normally shows 
that I'm accessing the account from a Linux based machine. At the time, 
the only thing accessing the Gmail account would have been Seamonkey...


I've also got another IMAP account which is behaving a little oddly. I 
access it both with Seamonkey mail and through a webmail interface (the 
webmail interface is the most recent version of Horde). Suddenly, any 
time I attempt to use the webmail interface from Seamonkey, it is 
reporting that the browser doesn't support javascript or javascript is 
disabled. I've not changed anything, and I was able to access the 
webmail interface after the upgrade to 2.49.1. I can still access it 
correctly in Chromium or Firefox - its only Seamonkey that has the problem.


I'm using the official Arch Linux Seamonkey build:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1

Build identifier: 20171107205422

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Re: Gmail: unknown device blocked

[Paul Marwick]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Paul Marwick wrote:


I've been using Seamonkey mail as my primary email client for a long
time. My main email account is a gmail account, which has been in
existence for a long time as well.

Twice since I installed 2.49.1, I've had messages from Gmail saying
that someone tried to use my password from an unknown device. In both
cases, Seamonkey had been running against the gmail account for a
period of hours at least. One instance was my laptop, then today I
got a similar warning regarding my desktop machine (which runs
Seamonkey mail all the time).

In both instances, once I confirmed that the IP used for the
"attempt" was my own IP, things have gone back to normal.

Is anyone else seeing this sort of error? It may be that Google has
done something to change its security, but it does seem odd that I've
only seen the error since I installed the latest version, and it also
seems odd that Google can't identify the device, even though it
normally shows that I'm accessing the account from a Linux based
machine. At the time, the only thing accessing the Gmail account
would have been Seamonkey...
...


Google has been pulling this crap for months, probably over a year 
now. I routinely clear cookies automatically on shutdown, and 
sometimes manually during a session, and Google uses cookies to 
recognize your device. So every time I clear cookies, it thinks I'm 
logging in with a new device and wants me to prove I'm me.


Interesting. I had no idea that the mail client used cookies at all. I 
was able to log in using the web browser the first time it happened. It 
was also the fact that normally when I get emails noting a login from 
another device they are usually able to identify the OS, which didn't 
happen in this case - it was just "unknown device". Though most of the 
warning messages about logging in from other devices would apply to a 
web login, not an IMAP connection from a mail client.





In your case, I suspect the cookie had a time limit and expired. You 
can confirm/refute that by inspecting the cookie the next time you log 
in.




Thanks. I'll do some more checking. I've no idea what cookies are kept 
for google - I use the search engine, Google+ (not my favourite thing, 
but its the only way I can keep up with an Android app that I use) as 
well as maps and Google Keep. So I guess there are probably a heap of 
cookies in there. No idea what their expiry is either.


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Re: missing scrollbar steppers(arrows) in 2.49.1 littlemonkey theme

[Paul Marwick]

David H. Durgee wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:
I just upgraded to 2.49.1 over the weekend.  While everything in 
general seems fine, I have one annoying problem.  The 
steppers(arrows) on my scroll-bars have disappeared.  I am using the 
little-monkey theme and had steppers in 2.48, so I am puzzled.


I seem to recall a post from someone about a pref to enable steppers, 
but if that is the case the pref got lost in the update.  Can anyone 
point me to a way to get my steppers back?


Dave


Problem solved.  Found the config file I needed to add:

Create a file ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css containing the following:

    *{
    -GtkScrollbar-has-backward-stepper: 1;
    -GtkScrollbar-has-forward-stepper: 1;
    -GtkRange-slider-width: 13;
    -GtkRange-stepper-size: 13;
    }

This works in linux mint 18.2 x64 cinnamon and probably most linux 
distributions.


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Thanks. That was very useful. Works in Arch as well.

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Re: Gmail: unknown device blocked

[Paul Marwick]

A Williams wrote:

Paul Marwick wrote:

I've been using Seamonkey mail as my primary email client for a long
time. My main email account is a gmail account, which has been in
existence for a long time as well.

Twice since I installed 2.49.1, I've had messages from Gmail saying that
someone tried to use my password from an unknown device. In both cases,
Seamonkey had been running against the gmail account for a period of
hours at least. One instance was my laptop, then today I got a similar
warning regarding my desktop machine (which runs Seamonkey mail all the
time).

In both instances, once I confirmed that the IP used for the "attempt"
was my own IP, things have gone back to normal.

Is anyone else seeing this sort of error? It may be that Google has done
something to change its security, but it does seem odd that I've only
seen the error since I installed the latest version, and it also seems
odd that Google can't identify the device, even though it normally shows
that I'm accessing the account from a Linux based machine. At the time,
the only thing accessing the Gmail account would have been Seamonkey...

I've also got another IMAP account which is behaving a little oddly. I
access it both with Seamonkey mail and through a webmail interface (the
webmail interface is the most recent version of Horde). Suddenly, any
time I attempt to use the webmail interface from Seamonkey, it is
reporting that the browser doesn't support javascript or javascript is
disabled. I've not changed anything, and I was able to access the
webmail interface after the upgrade to 2.49.1. I can still access it
correctly in Chromium or Firefox - its only Seamonkey that has the 
problem.


I'm using the official Arch Linux Seamonkey build:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1
Build identifier: 20171107205422

Paul.



As you can see from the User Agent, I'm still on 2.46.
I have two ISPs, my "normal" one and one for emergencies when the 
"normal" one does not work for some reason (they are totally seperate).

Yesterday I had a problem and switched to the backup ISP.
My gmail access is via IMAP and gmail complained almost immediately, 
saying someone had access to my password and asking if this was really 
me.  The attempted access was blocked.


In my case the messages (and the access) were legitimate.


That sounds exactly like the problem I had. So at least its not 
something in 2.49.1 - just gmail doing strange things. I had another 
strange problem with Gmail a few days ago - I had been logged into my 
gmail account both on the desktop upstairs and on my laptop. Just as I 
was getting ready to pack up and go to bed, I got a pop-up from gmail 
telling me to log in via the web. Didn't make much sense, since I hadn't 
got one of the "someone tried your password" messages this time. But I 
couldn't access Gmail from the laptop at all, so I fired up the browser 
and did as asked. That worked, but I still couldn't use the email client 
to log in to gmail.


After going back and forwards a few times, I gave up and went to check 
the desktop. Which had exactly the same problem. And also didn't want to 
clear. After a lot of struggling, I got gmail to accept al login from 
Thunderbird (which I had configured but hadn't used in months). Still 
couldn't get anywhere with Seamonkey mail. In the end I gave up and went 
to bed.


Next morning the problem had gone - Seamonkey mail was working again. So 
whatever gmail broke, they fixed. For the moment at least


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Seamonkey mail going brain-dead...

[Paul Marwick]

I've been running Seamonkey mail client for a long time. Still prefer it 
to Thunderbird. But I've got a problem with it that I have not found any 
solution to...


I'm running the 64-bit Linux version under Arch Linux (User agent: 
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 
SeaMonkey/2.49.4 Build identifier: 20181117165705). I have three email 
accounts configured - a gmail account (my main email account), an 
account with gmx.com and an account with an SME server which I use to 
monitor a number of small business servers.


The gmail account is the busiest, since I subscribe to a number of 
mailing lists and get a lot of email. I gave up trying to use Google to 
sort mail and use Seamonkey filters to put the mail where I want it. Has 
worked well for years. Until recently, anyway...


With what seems to be increasing frequency, Seamonkey mail seems to be 
going brain-dead - it is still running, but filtering stops working. The 
only way to fix it is to either restart or, sometimes simply open the 
application from the task bar. Since I have one copy of Seamonkey mail 
running constantly on a machine at home, which does all the filtering, 
I'm not always in a position to do that. Other than restarting that 
instance of Seamonkey every day, I'm at a loss as to how to cure this.


Has anyone else seen this problem? Any suggestions as to how to fix this 
would be welcome...


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Re: Seamonkey mail going brain-dead...

[Paul Marwick]

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Paul Marwick wrote:
I've been running Seamonkey mail client for a long time. Still prefer 
it to Thunderbird. But I've got a problem with it that I have not 
found any solution to...


I'm running the 64-bit Linux version under Arch Linux (User agent: 
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 
SeaMonkey/2.49.4 Build identifier: 20181117165705). I have three 
email accounts configured - a gmail account (my main email account), 
an account with gmx.com and an account with an SME server which I use 
to monitor a number of small business servers.


The gmail account is the busiest, since I subscribe to a number of 
mailing lists and get a lot of email. I gave up trying to use Google 
to sort mail and use Seamonkey filters to put the mail where I want 
it. Has worked well for years. Until recently, anyway...


With what seems to be increasing frequency, Seamonkey mail seems to 
be going brain-dead - it is still running, but filtering stops 
working. The only way to fix it is to either restart or, sometimes 
simply open the application from the task bar. Since I have one copy 
of Seamonkey mail running constantly on a machine at home, which does 
all the filtering, I'm not always in a position to do that. Other 
than restarting that instance of Seamonkey every day, I'm at a loss 
as to how to cure this.


Has anyone else seen this problem? Any suggestions as to how to fix 
this would be welcome...


Paul.



There was a somewhat similar problem in a thread starting 7 December, 
look for "constipated email on occasion".  I suppose the main 
similarities were a long-running Seamonkey, Linux and multiple 
accounts (mixed POP and IMAP).




Thanks for that. Certainly sound similar. Though in my case, all the 
accounts are IMAP. I've also not seen any error messages when I check 
the client that is failing. It is also a quite recent problem (never saw 
it before 2.49.4). It also seems to be getting worse. Originally it was 
happening after Seamonkey had been running for a week or more. Today it 
happened, even though the machine had been restarted a bit over 24 hours 
earlier.


For the moment, I've set Thunderbird up to see whether the problem 
exists in the code that is common between the two packages. I guess I'll 
see in 24 - 36 hours...


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Problem with mail filters

[Paul Marwick]

I have several accounts configured in Seamonkey mail. A gmail account 
(my main email account), a gmx.com account (kept as a spam trap) and an 
account with a small fairly local Linux server. This last one I use 
mainly to receive status messages from a number of small business 
servers that I'm responsible for monitoring.


Recently I changed the server software on the system I have an account 
with from SME Server to Nethserver. Done because SME development has 
slowed to a crawl and I needed better server security. Both server OS's 
are based on Centos. I migrated existing accounts to the Nethserver 
machine and have been using it quite successfully with the existing IMAP 
account. I have several filters on the account to allow me to more 
easily monitor the important emails while just glancing at the headers 
of the ones that are less important.


On Friday, I had to revert to the older SME server due to a problem with 
Nethserver. Hopefully that problem will be sorted out early next week, 
but going back to the old software has caused a strange problem. 
Suddenly, all the filters I have on that account no longer work on 
receiving new mail. All the messages end up in the inbox. If I then 
select "run filters on folder" from the Tools menu, they run without any 
problems. But I cannot get them to run automatically any more. This is 
happening on both Seamonkey and a copy of Thunderbird on one of my 
desktop machines. Exactly the same in both instances - the filters run 
without problems when selected from the menu, but do not run on receipt 
of new mail.


Has anyone seen similar problems suddenly happening when an account is 
changed? Any ideas of how to fix it? It seems quite specific to this 
account. My other two accounts have filters (in the case of the gmail 
account, a lot of them..), and they continue to run correctly and 
automatically. Even stranger, the initial change in server software did 
not affect the filters on the account at all. Only reverting to the 
older software seems to have triggered it.


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Mail filter problem

[Paul Marwick]

I have several accounts in Seamonkey mail. One of them is to a small 
business that I do some sub contract work for, maintaining a number of 
mail/file servers for other small businesses in the area. The account it 
an Imap account which is mainly used for admin messages from the other 
servers. Its running on Nethserver 7.6.


Last week, the hard drive in the server showed signs of developing 
problems. I pulled the drive, cloned it and set the whole thing up on a 
new hard drive. No problems there. But, the mail filters that I use to 
sort incoming mail are no longer working on incoming mail. I can 
manually run them, and have them work, but it no longer happens unless I 
do that - no automatic filtering at all...


I've got the same problem on the same machine with a Thunderbird account 
I use as well. I've seen this happen in the past when changes have been 
made to a mail server, but can't remember what I did to fix the problem. 
Any suggestions would be very useful indeed


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Re: Mail filter problem

[Paul Marwick]

Bill Spikowski wrote:

Paul Marwick wrote:
I have several accounts in Seamonkey mail. One of them is to a small 
business that I do some sub contract work for, maintaining a number 
of mail/file servers for other small businesses in the area. The 
account it an Imap account which is mainly used for admin messages 
from the other servers. Its running on Nethserver 7.6.


Last week, the hard drive in the server showed signs of developing 
problems. I pulled the drive, cloned it and set the whole thing up on 
a new hard drive. No problems there. But, the mail filters that I use 
to sort incoming mail are no longer working on incoming mail. I can 
manually run them, and have them work, but it no longer happens 
unless I do that - no automatic filtering at all...


I've got the same problem on the same machine with a Thunderbird 
account I use as well. I've seen this happen in the past when changes 
have been made to a mail server, but can't remember what I did to fix 
the problem. Any suggestions would be very useful indeed




This happens to me when I create new receiving folders on my hard 
drive (even if the new folder has exactly the same name).


I'd love to hear of an easier fix; when this happens to me, I have to 
'reselect' the receiving folder for each filter.


I've seen that before, though I think the last time it happened, it was 
when I migrated a set of filters from one Seamonkey installation to 
another. Had to reselect all the folders, even though they exist on the 
server. Tried that, didn't do anything. I've also tried disabling and 
re-enabling the filters, still no change. The silly part is that they 
work, just have to be run manually.


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Re: Mail filter problem

[Paul Marwick]

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Paul Marwick wrote:
I have several accounts in Seamonkey mail. One of them is to a small 
business that I do some sub contract work for, maintaining a number 
of mail/file servers for other small businesses in the area. The 
account it an Imap account which is mainly used for admin messages 
from the other servers. Its running on Nethserver 7.6.


Last week, the hard drive in the server showed signs of developing 
problems. I pulled the drive, cloned it and set the whole thing up on 
a new hard drive. No problems there. But, the mail filters that I use 
to sort incoming mail are no longer working on incoming mail. I can 
manually run them, and have them work, but it no longer happens 
unless I do that - no automatic filtering at all...


I've got the same problem on the same machine with a Thunderbird 
account I use as well. I've seen this happen in the past when changes 
have been made to a mail server, but can't remember what I did to fix 
the problem. Any suggestions would be very useful indeed


Paul.



Weird, I "migrated" a config to a new machine just over a year ago - 
under Linux - and it simply worked.

Have you tried disabling and re-enabling each filter?



I've done similar migrations in the past without any problems.  I've 
tried disabling and then re-enabling each of the filters. Nothing. They 
work, but not unless they're run manually. I guess the next thing I have 
to try is deleting a filter and redoing it from scratch, see if that 
makes a difference.


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Re: Mail filter problem

[Paul Marwick]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 7/25/19 8:38 AM, Paul Marwick wrote:
I have several accounts in Seamonkey mail. One of them is to a small 
business that I do some sub contract work for, maintaining a number 
of mail/file servers for other small businesses in the area. The 
account it an Imap account which is mainly used for admin messages 
from the other servers. Its running on Nethserver 7.6.


Last week, the hard drive in the server showed signs of developing 
problems. I pulled the drive, cloned it and set the whole thing up on 
a new hard drive. No problems there. But, the mail filters that I use 
to sort incoming mail are no longer working on incoming mail. I can 
manually run them, and have them work, but it no longer happens 
unless I do that - no automatic filtering at all...


I've got the same problem on the same machine with a Thunderbird 
account I use as well. I've seen this happen in the past when changes 
have been made to a mail server, but can't remember what I did to fix 
the problem. Any suggestions would be very useful indeed


Paul.



Do you get an error message you could share with the group?

I've copied my production versions mail and newsgroups 
"msgFilterRules.dat" files between it and test, beta and daily 
versions, and have always had to associate the filter with the folder 
it was moving the message to.


I think I got a pop-up warning, selected the folder in the drop-down, 
clicked OK and they worked automatically from then on.




Unfortunately, no error messages of any sort. Messages are received, but 
sit in the inbox. If I go to the account and select Tools > Message 
Filters > Run Filters on Folders it all works as it should.


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Re: Mail filter problem

[Paul Marwick]

WaltS48 wrote:


Do you get an error message you could share with the group?

I've copied my production versions mail and newsgroups 
"msgFilterRules.dat" files between it and test, beta and daily 
versions, and have always had to associate the filter with the folder 
it was moving the message to.


I think I got a pop-up warning, selected the folder in the drop-down, 
clicked OK and they worked automatically from then on.




Well, I've solved it, though I have no idea why it was necessary. As a 
last option, I deleted each of the filters and rebuilt them from 
scratch. Now its all working again in both Seamonkey and Thunderbird. 
Strange...



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Re: changing default browser

[Paul Marwick]

dirk wrote:

WaltS48 schreef:

On 8/27/19 12:15 PM, dirk wrote:
In seamonkey my default browswer is. seamonkey and I can NOT 
change that (greyed out)


How do I change that to i.e. Chrome???




Open Chrome make it the default browser, open default applications 
for your operating system and do the same there.


You don't make the changes in SeaMonkey.



actually, I checked in Chrome, and it stated Chrome is my default 
browser. But I can't change that there anywhere.


In Windows settings menu I choose Chrome in the left menu, and made it 
default browser (again, as it already was).


For some reason C hrome just doesn't start from a link in Seamonkey mail.


There is an addon which should do what you want - Standalone Seamonkey 
Mail - I think it was something I tried a couple of years ago. 
https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/standalone-seamonkey-mail/


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Migrating data to a new profile

[paul marwick]

I've done this before, but not for a long time, and I can't find my notes 
on how to do it, or remember the steps I took the last time I needed to do 
it


Since upgrading to 2.0.4, I've noticed some odd rendering problems. The 
most easily reproduced was on Distorwatch.com, where images that normally 
appear to the left of the brief write-ups of new releases were not vivivle. 
Older versions of Seamonkey were displaying them, as was Firefox.


After some checking, it looks as though something has got munged in my 
upgrade. Renaming ~/.mozilla to ~/.mozilla.old and letting Seamonkey create 
a new profile fixes the problem.


What I now need to do is migrate passwords, mail and bookmarks to a new 
profile. Bookmarks are no problem (obviously), but I can't remember how to 
migrate the mail, mail settings and passwords to the new profile. Can 
anyone give me step-by-step instructions?


I would also like to be able to share the mail between multiple profiles, 
but I'm not sure what the best way of doing so is. In the past, I've shared 
the whole profile amongst a couple of different Linux distros (by creating 
a symlink from ~/.mozilla to other home directories). While this has worked 
in the past, I'm wondering if it may have contributed to the recent 
problem, and I'm also wondering if only sharing the mail would be safer.


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Profile problem

[Paul Marwick]

I've recently hit a problem which seems to be related to my Seamonkey 
profile. I share the profile between two different Linux distributions - 
Salix and SalineOS. Its been in use for quite a while. Currently running 
2.7.2.


One forum that I frequent (http://www.briskoda.net/forums/) is letting 
me log in as normal, but dropping my login within a few minutes, 
sometimes within a few seconds.


I'm pretty sure the problem is something in my profile. I've tried the 
latest Firefox without the problem recurring, and I've also tried a 
fresh Seamonkey profile, which also works.


Problem is, I've got a lot of things I don't want to lose in my current 
profile - the mail setup, my bookmarks and passwords being the main things.


Is there a way I can create a new profile but import the bookmarks, mail 
account details (and settings for mail areas) and my browser passwords?


Paul.

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Bookmarks in 2.1b2

[Paul Marwick]

I recently installed a copy of the new beta - 2.1b2. Works nicely, but
I've hit a small problem.

I made a backup of my profile and mail before installing the beta, so
I do have some options, but I let the beta use my exisiting profile.

A couple of days ago, I had to fire up Seamonkey 2.1.11 to check
whether the security settings for the mail client were listed in the
same way. When I returned to the 2.1 beta, everything seemed ok - my
email account was as it should be. However, when I started the
browser, I hit a problem. No bookmarks were found.

Looking through ~/.mozilla/seamonkey/.profile, I don't see what
method is now being used to store bookmarks. The original
bookmarks.html is still there, and readable, but the beta simple
doesn't see it.

Is there some way to make it re-import the bookmarks? Or is there some
way to reset it so that it does a full check when started? I can
restore the backup, but it is now a week or more old, so it will not
be as complete as I would like. Creating a fresh profile would leave
me with the problem of reistating all the usernam/password
combinations that I had stored in my profile, so I'd also rather avoid
that option.

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Migrating files to 2.53.3

[Paul Marwick]

Just got the Arch Linux update. I'm glad to say I did archive my 
existing profile, since when I started the new version, I got a blank 
pane with nothing working. I've created a new profile and it is working 
well. Now all I need is my bookmarks and saved passwords.


Trouble is, I'm not sure which files I need to restore from the backup. 
I _think_ I need places.sqlite and logins.json, but I'm not sure, nor am 
I sure if I need anything else. Long time since I last had to do this...


Can anyone tell me what files I need to copy over? Thanks.
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Re: Migrating files to 2.53.3

[Paul Marwick]

EE wrote:

Paul Marwick wrote:
Just got the Arch Linux update. I'm glad to say I did archive my 
existing profile, since when I started the new version, I got a blank 
pane with nothing working. I've created a new profile and it is 
working well. Now all I need is my bookmarks and saved passwords.


Trouble is, I'm not sure which files I need to restore from the 
backup. I _think_ I need places.sqlite and logins.json, but I'm not 
sure, nor am I sure if I need anything else. Long time since I last 
had to do this...


Can anyone tell me what files I need to copy over? Thanks.


Along with logins.json, you also need the decryption keys.  I have 
both key3.db and key4.db in my profile.




Thanks for that. I have both, I'll try that.

What files are needed for the bookmarks now? I'd hate to have to try and 
rebuild that collection - it goes back years




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Re: Migrating files to 2.53.3

[Paul Marwick]

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Paul Marwick wrote:
Just got the Arch Linux update. I'm glad to say I did archive my 
existing profile, since when I started the new version, I got a blank 
pane with nothing working.


Is this updating from an older 2.53.x to 2.53.3?  If so, and if you 
have a language pack installed, that could be the problem causing the 
blank panes.  There's some issue with the version compatibility 
indicated in the older 2.53.x language packs, so SeaMonkey doesn't 
realise they're incompatible with the newer version and automatically 
disable them.  I gather from previous discussion here that the 
language packs for 2.53.3 should have this fixed - but that only helps 
when upgrading FROM 2.53.3 to a newer version.


Yes, upgrade from 2.53.2.



Start in safe mode (`seamonkey --safe-mode` from the command-line if 
you can't do it via the UI) using your original profile.  Then open 
Tools > Add-ons Manager, select "Languages" on the left side and 
remove any language pack there.  You can then install the 
corresponding language pack for the new version (at the bottom of the 
page at <https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.3> for 2.53.3).


Thanks for the suggestion. Tried it, removed the english_UK language 
pack, removed Adblock+ and the old pdf reader, disabled a few other 
things. Unfortunately, when I restarted in normal mode, no change at all 
- still a blank pane. The command I use should have started the mail 
client, but it came up with the calendar instead, but nothing working. 
So for the moment, I'm back with the new profile. I do seem to have 
managed to get the saved passwords migrated. Well, all but one of them 
for some reason.




I've created a new profile and it is working well. Now all I need is 
my bookmarks and saved passwords.


Trouble is, I'm not sure which files I need to restore from the 
backup. I _think_ I need places.sqlite and logins.json, but I'm not 
sure, nor am I sure if I need anything else. Long time since I last 
had to do this...


Can anyone tell me what files I need to copy over? Thanks.


As above, it might be possible to fix your existing profile, saving 
the need to port anything to a new profile.




:( So far, no go with the old profile. Still need to know if there is 
any way of bringing the old bookmarks back.


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Re: Migrating files to 2.53.3

[Paul Marwick]

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Paul Marwick wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Paul Marwick wrote:
Just got the Arch Linux update. I'm glad to say I did archive my 
existing profile, since when I started the new version, I got a 
blank pane with nothing working.


Is this updating from an older 2.53.x to 2.53.3?  If so, and if you 
have a language pack installed, that could be the problem causing 
the blank panes.  There's some issue with the version compatibility 
indicated in the older 2.53.x language packs, so SeaMonkey doesn't 
realise they're incompatible with the newer version and 
automatically disable them.  I gather from previous discussion here 
that the language packs for 2.53.3 should have this fixed - but that 
only helps when upgrading FROM 2.53.3 to a newer version.


Yes, upgrade from 2.53.2.



Start in safe mode (`seamonkey --safe-mode` from the command-line if 
you can't do it via the UI) using your original profile.  Then open 
Tools > Add-ons Manager, select "Languages" on the left side and 
remove any language pack there.  You can then install the 
corresponding language pack for the new version (at the bottom of 
the page at <https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.3> for 
2.53.3).


Thanks for the suggestion. Tried it, removed the english_UK language 
pack, removed Adblock+ and the old pdf reader, disabled a few other 
things. Unfortunately, when I restarted in normal mode, no change at 
all - still a blank pane. The command I use should have started the 
mail client, but it came up with the calendar instead, but nothing 
working. So for the moment, I'm back with the new profile. I do seem 
to have managed to get the saved passwords migrated. Well, all but 
one of them for some reason.


If it works in safe mode, that does suggest some add-on, or perhaps 
some other setting causing a problem (I gather safe mode also 
temporarily resets some other things, not just disabling add-ons, but 
not certain of the details).


You say it comes up with the calendar, which suggests Lightning is 
still enabled.  Have you tried disabling that?  It's quite tightly 
coupled to the version of SeaMonkey.  Being bundled with SeaMonkey 
now, I'd expect Lightning to get updated at the same time, but just 
wondering if for reason it hasn't been updated in the profile, and 
perhaps an older version of Lightning might be breaking the newer 
version of SeaMonkey...


I've created a new profile and it is working well. Now all I need 
is my bookmarks and saved passwords.


Trouble is, I'm not sure which files I need to restore from the 
backup. I _think_ I need places.sqlite and logins.json, but I'm not 
sure, nor am I sure if I need anything else. Long time since I last 
had to do this...


Can anyone tell me what files I need to copy over? Thanks.


As above, it might be possible to fix your existing profile, saving 
the need to port anything to a new profile.




:( So far, no go with the old profile. Still need to know if there is 
any way of bringing the old bookmarks back.


I thought bookmarks were stored in places.sqlite, but you've already 
mentioned copying that across...




:)  Found it - there are two other files places.sqlite-shm and -wal. 
Missed them the first time. Copied them over and I've got the bookmarks 
back as well.


Apart from one email account which is timing out, everything is now 
working. I'll have to check that mail server, but otherwise things are 
back to normal. Liking the new version so far. If nothing else, a fresh 
profile gets me a few things I've not seen.


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