Re: SM, Linux and sound. Regarding Alsa & Pulseaudio

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In ,
Hartmut Figge  wrote:

> SM-2.57 from Bill can play no sound in the browser on a Linux using
> Alsa instead of Pulseaudio. That is as expected. Tested with youtube.
> Now, curious as I sometimes am, a question came up and didn't stop
> bothering me.
> 
> What has TB done about the problem Alsa/Pulseaudio? Yes, there is use
> for sound in TB. The notification of incoming mail can play a sound.
> So I fetched the last Daily, selected klingeln.wav and clicked on
> play. It worked. No problem with my Alsa.
> 
> Hm.
> 
> Next step. SM-2.57 cannot use MailNes, but under Preferences there is
> Notifications for incoming mail. Choosing klingeln.way, clicking play
> and ... it worked. Astonishing.
> 
> So it seems 2.57 *can* use Alsa. If it chooses. :-)
> 
> At the moment I am scratching my head.

Just a guess:  maybe notifications are a special case; maybe TB/SM
hand them off to some external software which plays the WAV. 

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Re: SM-2.53: dateformat

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Hartmut Figge  wrote:

> Jim Taylor:
> 
> >I tried to test this for you on my openSUSE LEAP 15.0 system but
> >your build needs glibc 2.27 and I only have 2.26 so it won't run.  
> 
> Thank you for trying. The result would have been interesting. I am
> using Gentoo, mostly stable, but my glibc is part of stable.

You could probably find someone on the gentoo-user ml willing to test
it.

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Re: Automatic redirection now off - What did I change?

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Richard Owlett  wrote:

> On 9/23/2016 10:15 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
> > On 9/23/2016 3:08 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:  
> >> A few weeks ago a site annoyed me by automatically redirecting me
> >> somewhere else.
> >>
> >> I discovered that there was a setting to block it until
> >> permission given.
> >> I now think the cure is more nuisance than it's worth.
> >> I don't remember how to toggle it.
> >> Using SeaMonkey 2.40 on WinXP.
> >> Help please.
> >> TIA
> >>  
> >
> > Enter "about:config" (without the quotes) in the SeaMonkey address
> > area (URI bar).  In the Search area, enter "redirect" (again
> > without the quotes).  Any entry that is bold is something you might
> > have changed. 
> 
> Thank you.
> That wasn't fruitful. Everything that came up had a status of 
> "default" rather than "user set". Knowing how I normally do 
> things I likely would have used something under Edit->Profiles. I 
> use "about:config" so rarely I hadn't thought of looking there 
> for what had been changed. I know I had intentionally changed 
> "something".
> 
> Any suggestions?

accessibility.blockautorefresh

I think there's also a checkbox for it in SeaMonkey's options, but I
don't know where.
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Re: Adblock Plus Not Stopping Ads

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In ,
Michael  wrote:

> On 22/09/2016 18:45, TCW wrote:
> > On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 18:19:38 +0100, Michael  wrote:

> >> Another one
> >> http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/09/22/gay-teen-suing-school-that-refused-to-let-him-bring-date-to-prom/
> >>   
> >
> > Sorry, no ads popping up here.
> >  
> If I use Firefox with "Adblocker Ultimate" I don't see any ads but
> with Seamonkey you only have the choice of Adblock Plus and no
> alternative apart from "Ublock" which looks too complicated for me
> and I'm sure to mess it up. Is there any possibility that Mozilla
> will make Firefox addons compatible with Seamonkey ?

Almost all the adblockers use the same kind of subscription filter
lists.  If Adblocker Ultimate will show you which list(s) it's
subscribed to by default, you can probably subscribe to them with
AdBlock Plus as well.
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Re: Seamonkey release?

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In ,
Frank-Rainer Grahl  wrote:

> Felix Miata wrote:
> > Frank-Rainer Grahl composed on 2016-09-10 00:03 (UTC+0200):
> >  
> >> In the mean time if you need a new release grab 2.45 from Adrian
> >> if you are on Windows or Linux. His releases are build from the
> >> original sources and bug reports against them are accepted:  
> >
> > Last I tried a version newer than 2.42 I found it unusable due to
> > several GTK3-related bugs, the worst of which 1269145 is WONTFIX,
> > while the others remain open:
> > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1269274
> > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1269145
> > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1269149
> >
> > :-(  
> 
> Agreed but gtk3 itself is a pile of and at some point sticking to
> gtk2 will no longer work ... I use Linux only occasionally but I am
> quite sure this is/will become a problem for Firefox too. 2.45 was
> supposed to use gtk2. I will ask in the next status meeting if we
> should switch at least aurora, beta and release to gtk2 until the
> problems are solved.

It definitely is a problem for Firefox.  AIUI, Mozilla have deprecated
building Firefox using gtk2, but haven't said anything about the time
frame for fully dropping support for building that way.  If you find
out anything from them about this, please post back.
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Re: Sending a clickable link in a Plain Text e-Mail

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In <news:ol2dnro4uvq3axfknz2dnuu7-x3nn...@mozilla.org>,
"David E. Ross"  wrote:

> On 7/16/2016 5:54 PM, »Q« wrote:
> > In <news:mrednenyfouavhfknz2dnuu7-whnn...@mozilla.org>,
> > "David E. Ross"  wrote:
> >   
> >> On 7/16/2016 12:35 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote [in part]:
> >>
> >>[snipped]
> >>  
> >>> The chief purpose of the angle brackets is delineation -- to tell
> >>> the receiving application "the URL begins here... and ends here."
> >>> AFAIK they don't tell it "this is a URL." For that, you need
> >>> either an HTML message (which supports hyperlinks), or a receiving
> >>> application like SeaMonkey that recognizes URLs and email
> >>> addresses and makes them clickable. And yes, including "http://";
> >>> does help some apps in their recognition process. Similarly, many
> >>> diagnose mail links whenever they see the character "@" --
> >>> this@that will probably be clickable when SM receives this
> >>> message.
> >>
> >> Actually, the use of the < and > as brackets is for humans.  This
> >> is so a human user can tell how much to copy and then paste into a
> >> browser's address area.  
> > 
> > The angle brackets as delimiters for URLs in plain text were
> > recommended in the appendix of RFC 1738 because "it is convenient
> > to have a separate syntactic wrapper that delimits the URL and
> > separates it from the rest of the text" without specifying whether
> > it's convenient only for humans.  
> 
> I prefer using RFC 3986, which updated RFC 1738.  In any case, RFC
> 1738 is marked as obsolete.

For the question of whether the delimiter was intended solely for
humans, not software, I prefer the earlier reference because it's
from when the issue was being tackled in the first place.  In any
case, the one that superseded it is in agreement with it about the
delimiters.

> The overall context of Appendix C of RFC 3986 seems to indicate a
> human use for the brackets.  This is seen in the reference to "on
> printed paper." in the first paragraph of the appendix.

That part is essentially the the same in 1738's appendix;  both are
very clear that they're talking about all plain text, not just
printed on paper.  I see no indication in either appendix that the
delimiters might be intended only for parsing by humans.

3986: "For example, there are many occasions when a URI is included in
plain text; examples include text sent in email, USENET news, and on
printed paper."

1738: "In addition, there are many occasions when URLs are included in
other kinds of text; examples include electronic mail, USENET news
messages, or printed on paper."

> > Whether any software's algorithms make use of the delimiters as
> > they're determining whether there's a URL present, I dunno.

> Yes, however, some software also makes use of the < and >.

For helping to determine whether a URL is present?

[crossposted and followups set to mozilla.general, since this seems to
me to be about trivia rather than SM support.]
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Re: Sending a clickable link in a Plain Text e-Mail

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In ,
"David E. Ross"  wrote:

> On 7/16/2016 12:35 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote [in part]:
> 
>   [snipped]
> 
> > The chief purpose of the angle brackets is delineation -- to tell
> > the receiving application "the URL begins here... and ends here."
> > AFAIK they don't tell it "this is a URL." For that, you need either
> > an HTML message (which supports hyperlinks), or a receiving
> > application like SeaMonkey that recognizes URLs and email addresses
> > and makes them clickable. And yes, including "http://"; does help
> > some apps in their recognition process. Similarly, many diagnose
> > mail links whenever they see the character "@" -- this@that will
> > probably be clickable when SM receives this message.  
> 
> Actually, the use of the < and > as brackets is for humans.  This is
> so a human user can tell how much to copy and then paste into a
> browser's address area.

The angle brackets as delimiters for URLs in plain text were recommended
in the appendix of RFC 1738 because "it is convenient to have a
separate syntactic wrapper that delimits the URL and separates it from
the rest of the text" without specifying whether it's convenient only
for humans.  Whether any software's algorithms make use of the
delimiters as they're determining whether there's a URL present, I
dunno.
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Re: Sending a clickable link in a Plain Text e-Mail

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In ,
Daniel  wrote:

> I've thought I can send a link in a PT e-mail and it would be
> clickable! Tonight I found it isn't, so I thought it would work if I
> enclosed it in arrowheads , i.e.  but that didn't work
> either!
> 
> How can I send/format a web address in a PT e-mail in such a fashion 
> that it is directly clickable at the other end??

There is no way you can guarantee that the recipient's software will
convert any plain text to a clickable link, but the angle brackets may
help. It may also help to include the protocol, such as http, e.g.
.  In times past, adding "URL:" helped some
software, e.g. http://www.example.com>.  (I hope I've got that
syntax right -- it's been many years since I had to use it.)
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Re: ghostery

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In ,
Desiree  wrote:

[ tracking protection ]
> I don't see a choice of disconnect lists though like I have on Fx.

I guess there's no UI for it, but the pref
urlclassifier.trackingTable should handle it;  change it from the
default to "test-track-simple,mozfull-track-digest256" to get the full
(strict) list.


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Re: File->Bookmark broken??

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In ,
Daniel  wrote:

> On 18/04/2016 9:47 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
> > On 04/18/2016 07:37 AM, Daniel wrote:  

> >> Have I started doing something wrong?? How do I get back to the old
> >> situation where I could file a bookmark to any of the forty or more
> >> sub-folders in my Bookmarks Folder??
> >>
> >> (Lately, any bookmarks I save are just being added to the bottom of
> >> the Bookmarks drop-down! :-(  )
> >
> > I think BM are broken.
> >  
> >> All Bookmarks functionality broken due to Toolkit Bug 1257599 which
> >> renamed ‘Unsorted Bookmarks’ into ‘Other Bookmarks’  
> >
> > REF:   
> 
> Thank you, Walt, I do recall reading several posts, recently,
> hereabouts on Bookmarks  just they didn't quite match my problem.
> Maybe I need to broaden my references!! ;-)

Given what Walt posted, I doubt this will help any, but you might try
running 
through the thing that tries to convert Fx extensions for use in
SeaMonkey.


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Re: less secure apps

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In ,
Rick Merrill  wrote:

> I have not heard of  OAuth 2.0 - an open standard - is it not
> compatible with seamonkey?

I don't know.  According to
, Thunderbird has
supports it as of v. 38, so maybe it's coming to SeaMonkey.



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Re: less secure apps

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In ,
Rick Merrill  wrote:

> - http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2852231
> 
> I just ran into this and could not receive gmail via SeaMonkey. The 
> solution in my case was to enable "less secure apps".
> 
> Can anyone explain what this is all about?

By default, Google only accepts OAuth 2.0 authentication.  Enabling
access by what Google calls "less secure apps" just lets you (or your
SeaMonkey) use other methods of secure authentication to log in to your
Gmail account.

Except for Google itself, I don't think there's anyone claiming that
using authentication methods other than OAuth 2.0 reduces security.
It's widely believed that Google made OAuth 2.0 the only method
available by default simply to try to force people to use Google
products to connect to Gmail;  I dunno.

I'm not sure I've explained any better than the people in that
Mozillazine thread, but I hope that helped some.
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Re: Can't get all contents on weather.com's web site anymore?

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In ,
EE  wrote:
 
> Making about:config inaccessible would definitely dumb it down.

It definitely would not.  It would raise the bar for changing a lot of
prefs;  users would have to learn to use a text editor and maybe learn a
bit of syntax in order to shoot themselves in the foot.



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Re: Open Other Browser

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In <news:lokdnycib89mbjrknz2dnuu7-chnn...@mozilla.org>,
Daniel  wrote:

> On 8/04/2016 3:53 AM, »Q« wrote:
> > In <news:kngdnqofu4qsnjvknz2dnuu7-u2dn...@mozilla.org>,
> > Ray_Net  wrote:
> >  
> >> "SM will always launch its own browser if SM is open" GRRR. SM
> >> MUST send the page TO the DEFAULT browser  otherwise .. why is
> >> the use of "default browser" if nobody respect this rule ?  
> >
> > SeaMonkey's design comes from long ago, when pretty much everyone
> > thought self-contained internet suites were a good idea.  Growling
> > at it won't change that.  ;)  
> 
> Did MicroSoft ever have a "self-contained internet suite"?? I've only 
> ever know them to have the MSIE & O/OE individual combinations!

OE was bundled with IE, at least for a few years.

[cross-posted, followup set to m.general]
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Re: Open Other Browser

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In ,
Ray_Net  wrote:

> "SM will always launch its own browser if SM is open" GRRR. SM
> MUST send the page TO the DEFAULT browser  otherwise .. why is
> the use of "default browser" if nobody respect this rule ?

SeaMonkey's design comes from long ago, when pretty much everyone
thought self-contained internet suites were a good idea.  Growling
at it won't change that.  ;)


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Re: Open Other Browser

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In ,
OG  wrote:

> While in SeaMonkey for newsgroups (mail) I click on a posted link and 
> SeaMonkey opens its web browser.
> Unfortunately SeaMonkey cannot handle the web page.
> 
> So how do I tell SeaMonkey Mail to open say FireFox as the defaut?

I haven't tried it, but it looks like

should get you what you want.
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Re: Highlighted web page & "view page source" broken?

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In <news:btwdnutz_ik7jmplnz2dnuu7-y-dn...@mozilla.org>,
Ant  wrote:

> I was surprised that it was a big issue for them to fix it! What
> about other bigger bugs? :/

Considering that you're the one who started this thread to bring
attention to the bug, I'm surprised to see you making an ugly face
because it was fixed.  What about congratulating and them?  :)

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Re: about:config

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In ,
NFN Smith  wrote:

[ Display Mail User Agent extension ]
> For me, I do tech support, where there's a number of different mail 
> clients in use. Yes, I can look at a raw header, or tinker with 
> about:config settings, but for me, it's beneficial to see at at a 
> glance, what they're using to send.

One user recently reported here that it was showing a Mozilla icon even
for a post which had no User-Agent header nor any other header with
that info.
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Re: Graphite font rendering library removed from Seamonkey 2.40?

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In ,
Kyle Terrien  wrote:

> Amanda Sheppard wrote:
> > Could someone confirm that, for security reasons, the graphite font
> > rendering library has been removed from Seamonkey 2.40?
> > 
> > If not, how do I remove it?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance.  
> 
> I think graphite is still in there.  There is an about:config entry.
> 
> It's easy to disable.  In about:config, set
> gfx.font_rendering.graphite.enabled to false.

That's all correct.  Mozilla decided to leave graphite in but disable
it (in Firefox 45.0.1) by setting that pref to false by default.
According to the upstream graphite people, the issues are fixed and
should make it into Mozilla stuff soon.¹  Apparently, Mozilla thought
this stuff was fixed as of Fx 45.0² but then changed their minds.
ISTM all SeaMonkey users should turn it off at least until Mozilla are
sure it's fixed. 

1 
http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=projects&item_id=graphite_firefox

2 https://www.mozilla.org/security/advisories/mfsa2016-37/ and 
  https://www.mozilla.org/security/advisories/mfsa2016-38/


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Re: User agent of Seamonkey 2.40

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In ,
EE  wrote:

> Amanda Sheppard wrote:
> > When I surf websites, what will they see or rather what will my
> > Seamonkey 2.40 identify itself as?
 
> You can see that in "About SeaMonkey".  The only user-agent I see in 
> your message header is the Mozilla logo, which gives only the 
> information: "Mozilla".  The only reason I see that is because I use
> an extension which will show me the icon belonging to the application
> used for posting.

Her headers didn't have any info about the posting application she used.



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Re: User agent of Seamonkey 2.40

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In <news:sdudnd30j-ncr3blnz2dnuu7-bedn...@mozilla.org>,
EE  wrote:

> »Q« wrote:
> > In <news:cnmdnzfgy95yfxtlnz2dnuu7-vxnn...@mozilla.org>,
> > EE  wrote:
> >  
> >> Amanda Sheppard wrote:  
> >>> When I surf websites, what will they see or rather what will my
> >>> Seamonkey 2.40 identify itself as?  
> >  
> >> You can see that in "About SeaMonkey".  The only user-agent I see
> >> in your message header is the Mozilla logo, which gives only the
> >> information: "Mozilla".  The only reason I see that is because I
> >> use an extension which will show me the icon belonging to the
> >> application used for posting.  
> >
> > Her headers didn't have any info about the posting application she
> > used.
>  
> I have the extension "Display Mail User Agent" installed, which
> showed me the dinosaur head icon for Mozilla, and if I mouse over
> that, I get a tooltip saying "Mozilla".

That seems to me less than useless, but if you don't care, I don't.


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Re: Separated User ID and Password

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In ,
NFN Smith  wrote:

> However, I think developers are more focused on defending against 
> script-based authentication (presumed to be malicious). By requiring 
> multiple user inputs, then it's far more difficult for an attacker to 
> present credentials -- not only valid credentials, but a way of 
> defending against brute-force guessing.  And this kind of methodology 
> achieves a lot of the same kind of benefit as CAPTCHA, without
> annoying users with CAPTCHA images that are difficult to decipher.

I think that's it, too.  my.yahoo.com has started doing it that way,
but my SeaMonkey (a 2.42 build) remembers the name and password and
fills them both in.

If found a few recent bug fixes about recognizing username/password
inputs which may not have made it into current SeaMonkey yet.  (Not
posting links because I couldn't find anything that was clearly
related to this case;  searching for fixed bugs with "password" will
turn up enough to bog you down for a while. ;) 
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Re: AMO-Browsing-Add-On eases conversion and installation of FF and TB Add-Ons

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In ,
Rainer Bielefeld  wrote:

> you already use the "Firefox & Thunderbird Addon-Converter for 
> SeaMonkey", but you think that that is very comfortable?
> Or you even never heard about that stuff?
> 
> You should read this:
> 

I hate to use a word which Mozilla overuses to the point of absurdity,
but that is awesome. :)  Thanks for pointing it out and thanks for your
unofficial blog in general.

(There's a minor typo in your post -- s/sork/work/ )


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Re: No internal updates yet? Re: SeaMonkey 2.40 released

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In ,
Ant  wrote:

> On 3/16/2016 8:50 PM, Desiree wrote:
> ...
> > I don't want the full program.  I want the internal update.  I was
> > just wondering approximately when it will be available.  I didn't
> > mean to offend anyone or imply that I am not grateful for the hard
> > work the developers do.  
> 
> Ditto.

I don't have any info, but I'd guess the answer is something like
"ewong is working hard on it and not taking time out to give
progress reports."  (Of course, he may drop in as soon as I post this
and give one. ;)  


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Re: User agent of Seamonkey 2.40

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In ,
"David E. Ross"  wrote:

> On 3/15/2016 2:40 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> > Amanda Sheppard wrote:
> >   
> >> When I surf websites, what will they see or rather what will my
> >> Seamonkey 2.40 identify itself as?
> >>
> >> As Mozilla? As Firefox? As Seamonkey?
> >>
> >> Thanks for your answers.  
> > 
> > In SeaMonkey, do Help | About SeaMonkey and you'll see.  
> 
> No, that will only show you the version number.

WFM.

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Re: Unable to run seamonkey on Debian 8.3

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In ,
WaltS48  wrote:

> On 03/15/2016 01:26 AM, Amanda Sheppard wrote:
> >> OK, so this seems to be the unhelpful message one gets when
> >> trying to run a 32-bit binary on a 64-bit system where the
> >> 32-bit support libraries are NOT installed.  
> > Totall agree. Moreover on the official downloads page (URL:
> > https://download.mozilla.org/?product=seamonkey-2.40&os=linux&lang=en-US)
> > on which there's a green box with the words "Download Now", there's
> > no mention as to whether the download, Linux GTK2 English (38MB),
> > is for x86 or x86_64 arch.
> >
> > The webmaster should specify clearly that the download link in the
> > green box is for 32-bit arch. 
> 
> Anyone using SeaMonkey for any length of time knows that the official 
> builds for Windows, Mac and Linux are 32-bit.

True, but IMO Amanda's right that the website should be clear,
especially in the case of Linux.  The vast majority of Linux machines
are 64-bit (but I don't know whether most of those are multilib or
not).  The release notes and system requirements don't say anything
about the download being 32-bit, either.  If a new user only comes along
once in a blue moon, that's all the more reason to want to give her a
not-so-frustrating experience.  

> If you want an unofficial 64-bit Linux build you have to go here.
> 
> 

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.40 released

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In ,
"Cruz, Jaime"  wrote:

> Edmund Wong wrote:

> > After so long a delay, for which we apologize, the SeaMonkey
> > Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey 2.40!

> > Links:
> > [1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.40
> > [2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ 
> 
> What is the equivalent Firefox release, out of curiosity?

43.



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Re: Does SM break links??

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In ,
Daniel  wrote:

> I'm trying to send my sister a google maps link from my SM to her
> Google Chrome (I think), but when she received my e-mail, the link
> was broken, spread across two lines, so she could Cut-n-Paste the two
> halves together, if she wanted. But that was not what I wanted!!
> 
> I then sent her the same link but enclosed with-in <  > and it still 
> didn't work and her response was "doesn't appear as a link .. just
> plain text"
> 
> So does SM break long links?? And is there a workaround that would
> make the link clickable??

I have no idea how SM's line-wrapping stuff works, so take this post
with a big grain of salt.

Check your 'sent' folder -- if the copy there has a line break in the
middle of what should have been the URL, SM did it.  If not, the
problem is probably on her end, in which case there's nothing you could
do other than run the URL through a URL shortener before pasting it.

In case SM is causing the break, toggling wrapping off before pasting
should be the answer.  There's an extension that's supposed to make
toggling it easy,
.

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Re: Installing Seamonkey in Debian Jessie (stable)

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In ,
NFN Smith  wrote:

> Beyond that, I believe that I've seen in news fairly recently that 
> Debian and Mozilla are in the process of settling their differences 
> (Mozilla logos, and Debian adjustments to Mozilla code), and that
> before long, we may see Firefox (by name) in Debian repositories.  If
> that's true, I think it likely that further into the future, we may
> see the same with Thunderbird and Seamonkey.

Debian's bug entry about renaming (or un-renaming, I guess) their
Firefox mentions that the Icedove (Thunderbird) maintainers are
considering a similar move.  Seamonkey wasn't mentioned, but of course
that doesn't mean it won't happen.


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Re: Spell checker doesn't understand curly apostrophes

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In ,
"Paul B. Gallagher"  wrote:

> It also seems to matter which English dictionary is used. Mine is
> just listed as "English/United States" and came bundled with SM; I
> didn't download it as an add-on. If I go to "Download more
> dictionaries," it's listed as "English (US)" -- at least I think
> that's the same one.
> 
> 

There's another add-on which includes a larger wordlist,
.

I don't know if there's anything in it to do with your issue, but FWIW
here's a lengthy recent discussion from mozilla.dev.platform about the
bundled dictionary and add-ons:
.


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Re: Redirection limit for this URL exceeded

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In ,
Richard Owlett  wrote:

> On 3/5/2016 10:45 PM, Chuck wrote:
> > I have started getting this error when trying to log in to my.yahoo.
> > I have no idea what is causing it.
> > My wife's computer logs in fine which makes me think is has
> > something to do with Seamonkey
> > Chuck  
> 
> I don't use my.yahoo but I see that message frequently as I 
> routinely surf with cookies disabled. Have you disabled cookies - 
> whether intentionally or not?

That's a good thought, but with all cookies accepted (in Firefox,
in my case), I get the same error as Chuck.

Currently, after login, Yahoo are redirecting https://my.yahoo.com to
http://my.yahoo.com and vice versa, creating a loop.  This isn't
happening with my non-Mozilla browsers, so I suspect it's a case of
bad browser sniffing.  (But I don't know, and if anyone has any better
ideas, that would be great.)

IME, Yahoo frequently break things and then fix them within a day or
two.  
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Re: Spell checker doesn't understand curly apostrophes

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In ,
"Paul B. Gallagher"  wrote:

> If your theory is correct, the following should all be flagged, since 
> "ll" is not a word:

The word list contains not only words but abbreviations;  "ll" is in the
word list because it's an abbreviation for "lines".  (I don't know how
this affects the analysis of what's going on with spellchecking of  
contractions -- I've gotten a headache and given up, but I wish you
luck. :)

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Re: Spell checker doesn't understand curly apostrophes

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In ,
"Paul B. Gallagher"  wrote:

> This morning, I wrote:
> 
> > Spell-checked an outgoing message tonight that contained this
> > sentence:
> >
> > For example, the common respectful greeting 오셨습니까
> > means literally, “You’ve come,” and a Korean may end
> > a conversation by saying “Then” (그럼).
> >
> > SM ignored the Korean bit and flagged the word "ve," though it would
> > have been perfectly happy with "You've." It didn't recognize the
> > fancy apostrophe and treated it as a word separator.
> >
> > Any chance someone could fix that?  
> 
> I did some more experimentation and found:
> 
> 1) Standard contractions with the straight (typewriter) apostrophe
> are all recognized normally;
> 
> 2) Most but not all contractions with the curly apostrophe are 
> recognized. The key factor seems to be that contractions with "’ve"
> for "have" are not recognized, but others such as "I’m," "he’d,"
> "we’re," etc. are fine.
> 
> So it looks more like a lexical gap than a software issue. The
> following contractions are not recognized because the spell-checker
> parses them as two words each:
> 
> I’ve You’ve We’ve They’ve
> you’ve we’ve they’ve
> Could’ve Should’ve Would’ve Might’ve
> could’ve should’ve would’ve might’ve
> 
> The corresponding forms with straight apostrophes are all recognized.

You might take it up with the ultimate upstream for the English (GB,
US, and CA at least) dictionaries,
.  That page has links to their
mailing list and their bug tracker.  You might want to take a look at
their bug tracker -- there are some entries that seem relevant.  Note
that their online tool to check what lists have what words doesn't work
the same way SM's spellchecker does.  AIUI, that has more to do with
whether characters like the unicode apostrophe are treated as 'word
characters' or not than with the word lists themselves, and you seem to
have ruled out the possibility that SM doesn't treat them as 'word
characters'.





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Re: Links to Newsgroups Broken, Why Not Fix?

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In ,
"David E. Ross"  wrote:

> Windows 7 Ultimate SP 1 (x64)
> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101
> Thunderbird/38.5.1
> 
> When I select a link to a newsgroup on a Web page, it does not work
> even though the link is valid per RFC 5538.  I submitted bug #601618
> about this more than five years ago.  That bug was just now closed as
> WontFix although this is a true software error and not a request for
> enhancement.
> 
> See .

It was closed because it's "not a tier one product issue", which seems
to be the case.  Both news:// and nntp:// links clicked in Firefox open
the handlers for those protocols;  I just checked by clicking the links
in your bug report.

Maybe it needs to be re-opened and reclassified -- ISTM it's not a
"Core, Networking" issue.
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Re: Download Video?

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In ,
"David E. Ross"  wrote:

> My daughter posted videos of my granddaughter on YouTube.  How can I
> download these to save with photos of my granddaughter?

 will do
it, but you may not get the highest quality.  I prefer the command
line youtube-dl, , which by default
will get the highest quality, combining the best audio and best video
if necessary.  I haven't tried it on Windows, though.



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Re: Combining characters

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In ,
"Paul B. Gallagher"  wrote:

> In a discussion of American English phonetics, I had occasion to use
> the combining tilde (U+0303), but was surprised at the result:
> 
> > ... she does routinely flap /t,d,n/ like most Americans.
> >
> > At 1:15, it occurs in "many" [mɛ̃ɾi] (I've used "ɛ̃" for nasalized
> > [ɛ], which would properly be written with the tilde over the vowel).
> > She does the same thing elsewhere in "lovin' is so soft"
> > [lʌvɪ̃ɾɪzsosɔft].  
> 
> As displayed in my original plain-text message and in the composition 
> for this plain-text message, the tildes are displaced one character
> to the right. My pref for plain-text messages specifies the font
> Courier New; AFAIK this is a TrueType font.

I can't explain the displacement you and others seeing, but what your
SM is sending out seems to be ok;  the UTF-8 encodings for the
combining tildes are correct in your plain text and and in your html
posts.

According to
,
Courier New supports combining tildes.




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Re: Extra characters in subject line

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In ,
Ray Davison  wrote:

> David E. Ross wrote:
> 
> > They represent characters not supported by the font used to display
> > the Subject.  Since the Subject uses the same font as used by the
> > menu and tool bars, pull-down context menus, and other parts of the
> > mail application's display windows, you likely need to install the
> > Theme Font & Size Changer extension from to switch to a font that
> > contains those characters.  The extension can be found at
> > .
>  
> This is a clip of the subject line.
> "raydav , 
 Take 
 a 
 look 
 at 
 the 
 New 
 FHA"
> 
> There are currently three such messages in one folder.  Where you see 
> spaces there are the subject characters.  This line has three in each 
> space the other two have four.
> 
> And, the "from" is my email address.
> 
> Selecting other fonts so far has no effect.

Those are control characters for 'end of text' (U+0003), 'start of
heading' (U+0001), and 'start of text' (U+0002).   Few fonts support
them, and I doubt you'd want to use any of those, but FWIW here's a
(not necessarily comprehensive) list:
.

(I'm not quite sure what it even means for a font to support a control
character, except to make the character not display as one of those
little boxes.  I guess the spammers are using control characters in an
attempt to throw off automagic spam detectors which try to parse the
headers.)
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Re: Unsubscribe due to too many e-mails

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In ,
EE  wrote:

> Ray_Net wrote:
> > EE wrote on 27/11/2015 19:38:  
> >> George wrote:  
> >>> Gentlemen,
> >>>
> >>> Since I signed up for the site I am receiving many e-mails each
> >>> day from people I do not know.
> >>>
> >>> Please let me know how I can unsubscribe in order to prevent all
> >>> the e-mails.

> >> Stop putting your correct email address in your posts.  You can
> >> set up a newsgroup account using a fake email address.
> >>  
> > He did not post in a newsgroup, he post thru
> > support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org  SO he need to furnish his real
> > address; NO ?  
> 
> Then spammers are harvesting email addresses from there and he should 
> start using newsgroups instead, with a fake email address.

No, they aren't.  He just wants to stop receiving list e-mails.
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Re: Emojicons support?

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In ,
"David E. Ross"  wrote:

> On 11/21/2015 5:05 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
> > Ant wrote:  
> >> Hello.
> >>
> >> When will SeaMonkey support emojicons like in e-mails since I am
> >> getting more of them not showing up correctly.
> >>
> >> Thank you in advance. :)  
> > 
> > Found an extension for Thunderbird, that when run through the
> > Converter  provides an Emoji
> > Menu for adding them to your emails, or newsgroup posts composed in
> > HTML. 😂
> > 
> > The extension can be found at Emoji Menu
> > .
> > 
> > You do need the proper fonts installed on your machine to view them
> > all. In my case I had to install ttf-ancient-fonts in my Linux OS.
> > 
> > Just read an article today that 😂 is one of the most popular
> > emotes.| |  
> 
> I see a smiley-face emoticon in your reply.  Emoticons have been
> supported in mail-news -- Thunderbird and SeaMonkey -- for quite some
> time.  However, emoticons are NOT emojis.

You should be seeing an emoji, the Unicode character U+1F602, as long
as you have a font with a glyph for that character installed.

Emoticons are a different thing, just strings of ASCII characters such
as (c:   -- I think the emoticon support you're talking about involves
displaying some kind of graphic instead of the ASCII string.
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Re: In Browser, what does "View->Use Style->None" menu choice do behind the scenes?

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In ,
Richard Owlett  wrote:

> Several sites I frequent have recently opted for "pretty" over 
> "functional".
> The primary effect has been to waste screen real estate by 
> putting a black border around a pure text page.
> 
> I've discovered that "View->Use Style->None" makes page legible 
> again.
> 
> My Question:
> Might I be losing access to any content?

It's possible for pages to use styling to add some content, which
you'd miss by turning it off, but IME there aren't any pages which do
that for the main content.  IOW, I think you're pretty safe in turning
it off.
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Re: Your browser is not supported

[»Q«]

In <news:puodneund-50b4plnz2dnuu7-uedn...@mozilla.org>,
"Paul B. Gallagher"  wrote:

> EE wrote:
> > Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> >> WaltS48 wrote:
> >>> On 10/13/2015 08:38 PM, BL wrote:
> >>>> Your Browser is reporting to be this version : Mozilla/5.0
> >>>> (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/41.0
> >>>> SeaMonkey/2.38
> >>>>
> >>>> Getting too old. Forgot how to make SeaMonkey act as Firefox
> >>>> Thank you BL
> >>>
> >>> Your browser's User Agent is already advertising Firefox
> >>> compatibility.
> >>>
> >>> What is the link to the site displaying that message?
> >>
> >> Googling
> >>  "Your Browser is reporting to be this version : "
> >> I get six hits, all in <http://www.randwick.nsw.gov.au>
> >>
> > That page loads normally for me.  I have not faked my user-agent.
> 
> Yes, same here.
> 
> I only mentioned it because the error message had such distinctively 
> weird grammar that I figured it would be easy to identify, and I was
> right.

My guess (and it's only that) is that the site did have a sniffing
problem and that it's been fixed, and that the between the site and the
OP is a transparent caching proxy which still serves a problematic copy
of the site.  If that's the case, a shift+refresh should cure it.

It won't prove anything one way or the other, but out of curiosity, does
loading Google's cached pages cause that message to come up in
SeaMonkey?  I don't have a SeaMonkey handy to test myself.  Here's one
of the links to the cache:
<http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:emOLAgMBK1gJ:www.randwick.nsw.gov.au/services/rubbish-and-recycling/report-a-rubbish-or-recycling-problem/report-a-missed-collection+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us>



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Re: Fullscreen is disabled for YOUTUBE

[»Q«]

In ,
Ray_Net  wrote:

> WaltS48 wrote on 12/10/2015 16:35:
> > On 10/12/2015 10:22 AM, Desiree wrote:  
> >> So, SeaMonkey still cannot do full screen without a plugin.  
> >
> > An extension is not a plugin. They are two categories of Add-ons.
> >
> > Since Mozilla is dropping support for NPAPI plugins (except for
> > Flash) at the end of 2016, it might be a good idea to get the
> > terminology straight to avoid confusion.
> >  
> How can I determine if one of my plugins are using NPAPI ?

All of them are.  Mozilla doesn't support any plugin API other than
NPAPI.

But extensions are not plugins.  Extensions don't use NPAPI.  (Walt
already pointed out that extensions and plugins are different things,
but I think it bears repeating.)


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Re: Linux ... Where's the Profile data stored??

[»Q«]

In <news:wrudnvnhrfhpp03inz2dnuu7-lodn...@mozilla.org>,
"David E. Ross"  wrote:

> On 8/15/2015 8:29 AM, »Q« wrote:
> > In <news:gvsdnak5mfvszvlinz2dnuu7-r2dn...@mozilla.org>,
> > "David E. Ross"  wrote:
> > 
> >> On 8/15/2015 5:00 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
> > 
> >>> Forward / slashes are used in Linux file paths. It took me awhile
> >>> to get used to that after leaving Windows.
> >>
> >> Thus, Daniel CANNOT use the same profile for both Windows and Linux
> >> when running SeaMonkey.
> > 
> > It's been ages since I did it (since Mozilla Suite days, I think),
> > but it used to work.  You just needed a Windows profiles.ini with
> > backslashes and a Linux profiles.ini with (forward) slashes.
> 
> It is NOT merely profiles.ini that has Windows-type paths.  I count
> more than 40 Windows-type paths in my prefs.js (the file that contains
> preference settings).

True, but AFAIK none of them are showstoppers.  E.g., if
browser.download.lastDir points to some place the running SeaMonkey
can't make sense of, it will just revert to using the default location
for downloads.



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Re: Linux ... Where's the Profile data stored??

[»Q«]

In ,
"David E. Ross"  wrote:

> On 8/15/2015 5:00 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

> > Forward / slashes are used in Linux file paths. It took me awhile
> > to get used to that after leaving Windows.
> 
> Thus, Daniel CANNOT use the same profile for both Windows and Linux
> when running SeaMonkey.

It's been ages since I did it (since Mozilla Suite days, I think), but
it used to work.  You just needed a Windows profiles.ini with
backslashes and a Linux profiles.ini with (forward) slashes.



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Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

[»Q«]

In
<news:mailman.1932.1436376898.14172.support-seamon...@lists.mozilla.org>,
Miles Fidelman  wrote:

> On 8/07/2015 1:54 PM, »Q« wrote:
> >> In <news:2o-dnvmjkvvwdghinz2dnuu7-lwdn...@mozilla.org>,
> >> Paul Bergsagel  wrote:
> >>  
> >>> Does SeaMonkey benefit, in the long run, with such a rapid
> >>> update schedule?  If SeaMonkey adopted a less frequent update
> >>> schedule would the net benefits be greater than if SeaMonkey
> >>> continued with the current rapid update schedule?  
> >>
> >> Since the last SeaMonkey release, there have been over 40 MFSAs,
> >> many of them critical.  IMO (and it's only that) if SM decided out
> >> of policy *not* to issue security updates in a timely manner, that
> >> would mark the death of the project.   
> 
> Then again, there's a good argument to be made that:
> - rapid development and release cycles open as many new security
> holes as they close
> - perhaps it's a better use of scarce resources to focus on hardening 
> code in ways that reduce the number of future holes

I disagree about there being a good case for that.  In SeaMonkey's
case, though, falling behind Gecko releases guarantees known security
issues, and SeaMonkey can't change Gecko's release schedules.
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Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

[»Q«]

In ,
Paul Bergsagel  wrote:

> Does SeaMonkey benefit, in the long run, with such a rapid 
> update schedule?  If SeaMonkey adopted a less frequent update
> schedule would the net benefits be greater than if SeaMonkey
> continued with the current rapid update schedule?

Since the last SeaMonkey release, there have been over 40 MFSAs, many
of them critical.  IMO (and it's only that) if SM decided out of policy
*not* to issue security updates in a timely manner, that would mark
the death of the project.


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Re: www.unigo.com misdetecting my SeaMonkey v2.33.1 web browser?

[»Q«]

In ,
Ant  wrote:

> How do you disable Meta redirects? I couldn't find it in my
> about:config list. That's a new one to me.


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Re: Web page will NOT display

[»Q«]

In ,
WaltS48  wrote:

> On 05/25/2015 09:31 AM, Danny Kile wrote:
> > WaltS48 wrote:
> >> On 05/25/2015 08:54 AM, Danny Kile wrote:

> >>  From the page source.
> >>
> >>   >> src="http://www.nhra.net/nhracomiframe/points.asp";>
> >
> > So what is the solution to the problem and why does it work in
> > Chrome?
> 
> I think Jonathan N Little answered that, and I don't have Chrome so I 
> have no idea why it works there.
> 
> My solution is to use [NHRA Mello Yello Drag Racing Series 
> points](http://www.nhra.com/points/melloyello.aspx)

That will work, or just loading the points page without its framing,
using the URL Jonathan found,
.

The only other thing to do is to let Clay Millican's web people know
their page is broken and doesn't work in Mozilla browsers.  The headers
of the pages use an XHTML doctype which triggers standards compliance
mode in Mozilla browsers, but the pages are not standards compliant.

But AFAICT, his 'contact' page is broken also.  Maybe tweeting at him
would do some good.
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Re: Seamonkey says Adobe is out of date

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In ,
Eric  wrote:

> Seamonkey's plug-in checker says that Adobe is out of date, however
> when I go to Adobe, it says that the current version I'm running is
> the latest version.
> 
> My current version is 10.1.14.11, which according to Adobe is the
> latest version that I can use.  I'm running a Vista OS so the new
> Adobe DC is not available for my machine, and plug-in checker was
> saying this before Adobe DC ever came out.
> 
> Is this one that I'm just going to have to live with?

Adobe what?

Almost certainly, the Adobe site is correct and the Mozilla plugin
check site is incorrect.


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Re: SM display a mail with a picture but print without it

[»Q«]

In
<news:mailman.3274.1431163728.29279.support-seamon...@lists.mozilla.org>,
mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

> »Q« wrote:
> > In <news:nqsdnbmzo8hcoddinz2dnuu7-cudn...@mozilla.org>,
> > Ray_Net  wrote:
> >  
> >> Is it possible to print the background-color ?  
> >
> > I don't think there's checkbox for that, but using userContent.css
> > you should be able to override SeaMonkey's built-in '@media print'
> > rules and waste as much ink as you want. ;)  
> 
> This option should do it: File > Page Setup > Format and Options tab
> > tick Print Background (colours & images)

Thanks.  I should really try to remember that SeaMonkey almost always
has a checkbox for that, no matter what "that" is, and I just don't know
where it is.
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Re: SM display a mail with a picture but print without it

[»Q«]

In ,
Ray_Net  wrote:

> Is it possible to print the background-color ?

I don't think there's checkbox for that, but using userContent.css you
should be able to override SeaMonkey's built-in '@media print' rules and
waste as much ink as you want. ;)


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Re: SM display a mail with a picture but print without it

[»Q«]

In <news:20150508190900.006f8fba@sepulchrave.remarqs>,
»Q«  wrote:

> In <news:nf2dnup-3fpdtddinz2dnuu7-y-dn...@mozilla.org>,
> Ray_Net  wrote:
> 
> > When I print this perfect mail, in the produced output, the picture
> > is missing - just some blank lines ...  
>  
> > You can see the print here: 
> > http://home.scarlet.be/~rs268454/TESTMAIL-PRINT.jpg  
> 
> The image appears in your printout exactly as it should.  
> 
> Grab the src URL from the html, load it in the browser, and you'll see
> it prints just fine from there, too.

Just to be clear I mean grab the img src URL.

> If any more troubleshooting is necessary after that, I'm 100%
> confident I'll be able to clear it up quickly.


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Re: SM display a mail with a picture but print without it

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In ,
Ray_Net  wrote:

> When I print this perfect mail, in the produced output, the picture
> is missing - just some blank lines ...
 
> You can see the print here: 
> http://home.scarlet.be/~rs268454/TESTMAIL-PRINT.jpg

The image appears in your printout exactly as it should.  

Grab the src URL from the html, load it in the browser, and you'll see
it prints just fine from there, too.

If any more troubleshooting is necessary after that, I'm 100%
confident I'll be able to clear it up quickly.
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Re: [SOLVED] Re: seamonkey prevented this page from redirecting...

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In ,
sean  wrote:

>   It seems my turning off "warn me when pages reload or
> redirect" in Edit/Preferences/Appearance/Content changed the
> about:config entry for accessibility.blockautorefresh in about:config
> 
> so two ways to do the same thing essentially... 

Exactly right.

> for now i consider this solved...

:)

Once again, we have created a 15-post thread for an issue that a
single good post (in this case David Ross') was sufficient to solve.
Sorry you had to wade through the noise, and glad your issue is solved,
and thanks for marking it in the Subject.

> now any reason to not set 
> services.sync.prefs.sync.accessibility.blockautorefresh;
>   to false as well? since synch is broken anyway? or should i just
> leave well enough alone?

If sync were working, leaving it true would make sure all your
SeaMonkeys have "warn me when pages reload or redirect" unchecked.
Switching it to false would mean you'd have to uncheck the box for each
SeaMonkey.  If sync isn't working, it doesn't matter at all -- you have
to uncheck the box for each SeaMonkey.

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Re: certificates

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In
,
BER  wrote:

> I am using version 2.33.1 how do I turn off all certificates, 

You cannot turn off security warnings about certificates.  It's a
security feature that's too important to disable.

> it is so cumbersome to have to approve certificates for every website
> I want to open. Any help will be appreciated.

If this is happening for every site you visit, something is badly
wrong.  Please give us a few example sites where you experience the
problem.  Ten or so should be sufficient.
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Re: seamonkey prevented this page from redirecting...

[»Q«]

In <news:tc-dndcsypry9dfinz2dnuu7-fwdn...@mozilla.org>,
EE  wrote:

> > »Q« wrote:

> >> reason the ability to block those was introduced
> >> was that pages were using them to fraudulently increase the number
> >> of times banner ads were loaded. 

> Meta refresh with a timer is also extremely annoying.  I hated having
> a page suddenly reload itself when in the middle of reading it.

Right.  Mozilla wasn't trying to prevent fraud, just to give users the
option of avoiding the annoyance the fraudulent tactic produced.



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Re: Setting up SM for HTML5

[»Q«]

In <news:moednvczmfpkldfinz2dnuu7-dmdn...@mozilla.org>,
Daniel  wrote:

> On 05/05/15 23:52, »Q« wrote:
> > In <news:rn-dnturtvvq4dxinz2dnuu7-todn...@mozilla.org>,
> > Daniel  wrote:

> > The relevant prefs are
> > privacy.sanitize.sanitizeOnShutdown and
> > privacy.clearOnShutdown.cookies.

> privacy.sanitize.sanitizeOnShutdown and 
> privacy.clearOnShutdown.extensions-dta are both set to default,
> boolean, false, so that would seem to be no help.
>
> Note the "extensions-dta" added to my pref which you pref doesn't
> seem to have, or at least you didn't include it.

WARNING: Pref names are *not* interchangeable.  When any one has given
you a pref name, do *not* assume a slightly similar pref name will do.

I copy pref names from about:config and paste them to make sure there
can't be a typo.  If I ever gave you a pref name that was wrong, I'd
make it a top priority to help you undo any ensuing breakage.  If I ever
give you a pref name and you break things by doing something with a
different pref name, I will point and laugh and killfile you for your
own good, so that I never accidentally try to help you again.  ;)  Ha
ha, only serious.  (I wouldn't really point and laugh, but I have
killfiled people for this.)

In this case, you could randomly monkey with the sanitizer settings
without getting anything worse than some data loss, and you weren't
monkeying at all, but there are plenty of prefs that are like guns
aimed at your feet. 

privacy.clearOnShutdown.extensions-dta controls whether the sanitizer
will clear your Down Them All data, nothing to do with cookies or your
issue with YouTube.

-

While I'm up here on my high horse, I'll mention a lesser pitfall, one
you and I and a lot of people fall into occasionally:  taking action on
and/or replying to one message at a time without first reading all new
messages in the thread.  I won't bother listing the reasons it's good
to read them all and digest a bit before jumping back into it.
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Re: seamonkey prevented this page from redirecting...

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In ,
Daniel  wrote:

> David, not that this problem affects me, but just out of interest I 
> checked for this pref "accessibility.blockautorefresh" and got two 
> results. accessibility.blockautorefresh by default set to "False" 
> and services.sync.prefs.sync.accessibility.blockautorefresh which, by 
> default is set to "True".

The services.sync.prefs.sync.* settings just control which of your
prefs will be preserved across multiple SeaMonkeys if you use SeaMonkey
Sync.
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Re: seamonkey prevented this page from redirecting...

[»Q«]

In <news:20150505214739.776afc99@sepulchrave.remarqs>,
»Q«  wrote:

> In <news:somdnw86s9jaottinz2dnuu7-cudn...@mozilla.org>,
> sean  wrote:
> 
> > I have set my Seamonkey [edit/preferences/appearance/content] to
> > warn me when a page attempts to redirect or reload a page... am
> > hoping to find a way to turn that off for my specific list of work
> > related pages ... as opposed to turning that preference off browser
> > wide...
> > 
> > If that's not possible,
> 
> It's not.
> 
> > does anyone have an argument against giving up and turning it off
> > browser wide?
> 
> I can't imagine it will cause any problem at all.  Turning it on only
> affects meta http-equiv="refresh" redirects and reloads.
> 
> AFAICT the only reason the ability to block those was introduced was
> that pages were using them to fraudulently increase the number of
> times banner ads were loaded.  The ad industry has changed a lot
> since then, and I haven't seen that annoyance in years.

I just saw David Ross' post giving the pref name for it, which prompted
me to think there might be another reason they introduced the feature,
and there is.  Pages that use meta refresh with a timer are extremely
confusing to people who use screen readers and cannot see what is
happening.

<http://wayback.archive.org/web/20070714104552/http://diveintomark.org/archives/2007/02/08/howto-block-meta-refresh>

The bottom line is still the same, no reason for you to worry about the
setting.

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Re: seamonkey prevented this page from redirecting...

[»Q«]

In ,
sean  wrote:

> I have set my Seamonkey [edit/preferences/appearance/content] to warn
> me when a page attempts to redirect or reload a page... am hoping to
> find a way to turn that off for my specific list of work related
> pages ... as opposed to turning that preference off browser wide...
> 
> If that's not possible,

It's not.

> does anyone have an argument against giving up and turning it off
> browser wide?

I can't imagine it will cause any problem at all.  Turning it on only
affects meta http-equiv="refresh" redirects and reloads.

AFAICT the only reason the ability to block those was introduced was
that pages were using them to fraudulently increase the number of times
banner ads were loaded.  The ad industry has changed a lot since then,
and I haven't seen that annoyance in years.

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Re: Some attached jpg not shown at the end of the mail

[»Q«]

In <news:kkkdnco8sdnwh9tinz2dnuu7-qgdn...@mozilla.org>,
Ray_Net  wrote:

> »Q« wrote on 05/05/2015 21:04:
> > In <news:yvqdnt9aroxoc9xinz2dnuu7-ugdn...@mozilla.org>,
> > Ray_Net  wrote:

> >> For those who would experiment -  the mail zipped (4.7 Mbytes)
> >> from:
> >> C:\Users\RZ\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\ey8r9gln.default\Mail\Local
> >> Folders\ with the name: RANDOEVASION-TEST
> >> is here: http://home.scarlet.be/~rs268454/RANDOEVASION-TEST.zip  

> > Whoa!  Giving us the whole mailbox is very generous, but what we
> > need is just the single problematic mail.  
> 
> This is NOT the whole mailbox  in fact this mailbox contains ONLY 
> this mail.
> So you have the single problematic mail, but I have a lot of
> problematic mails ...

Ah, sorry, I misread your post and didn't pay attention to the mbox
size you reported -- I should have realized it wasn't a big mbox.  A
mbox with only one mail is just as good as a single eml.  :)

> I think that the problem is not in the mail, it's in SM.(my SM)

Having looked at the mail, I agree.  AFAICT, all the MIME stuff and
encodings are fine.  I hope having the example in hand will help
someone reproduce the problem or figure out why your SM has trouble
with it.
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Re: Some attached jpg not shown at the end of the mail

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In ,
Ray_Net  wrote:

> > an example to m.t.multimedia by attaching an .eml file to a post.  

> I don't know how to do that

> For those who would experiment -  the mail zipped (4.7 Mbytes) from:
> C:\Users\RZ\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\ey8r9gln.default\Mail\Local
>  
> Folders\ with the name:
> RANDOEVASION-TEST
> is here: http://home.scarlet.be/~rs268454/RANDOEVASION-TEST.zip

Whoa!  Giving us the whole mailbox is very generous, but what we need
is just the single problematic mail.  

Maybe you can do it from the list view, or maybe you have to first
double-click to open the message in its own window, but there's got to
be a save option somewhere.  You're looking for something like

File » Save as eml

Sorry, I can't give a clearer recipe -- I don't know the SM GUI at all.

Zipping it and putting it on the web is much better than my suggestion
about m.t.mm.
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Re: Setting up SM for HTML5

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In ,
WaltS48  wrote:

> On 05/05/2015 04:25 AM, Daniel wrote:

> > My alternate profile *also* works just fine ... with different
> > cookie settings!
> 
> What cookies settings?
> 
> My cookie settings in Edit > Preferences > Privacy & Security >
> Cookies for the SeaMonkey that doesn't work are:
> 
> Allow cookies for originating website only
> Accept for current session only
> 
> Private Data is set to:
> 
> Always clear my private data when I close SeaMonkey with a check mark 
> for Cookies.
> 
> Cleared all YouTube cookies removed the check mark for clearing
> cookies from Private Data, set Cookies to Allow all cookies and
> Accept cookies normally. The same settings as the working profile.
>
> "The HTML5 player is currently used when possible." is now displayed.

Daniel, ignore my post talking about the sanitizer and about:config
prefs.  Walt's post pointing directly to the UI checkboxes is better
and easier.

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Re: Some attached jpg not shown at the end of the mail

[»Q«]

In <news:20150504151551.67169ee7@sepulchrave.remarqs>,
»Q«  wrote:

> WaltS48  wrote:

> > I don't think anyone can help much without seeing the emails and
> > images, or screenshots of them that you have the problem with.  
> 
> It's tough without having the entire package together, MIME headers
> and data together.
> 
> If they're not too personal, resending them to mozilla.test.multimedia
> should help.  Or if they are too personal, try to construct a new mail
> that reproduces the problem.

Going through the mail-news gateways shouldn't change the MIME headers
and structure, but maybe just to be sure, it would be better to send an
example to m.t.multimedia by attaching an .eml file to a post.
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Re: Setting up SM for HTML5

[»Q«]

In <news:rn-dnturtvvq4dxinz2dnuu7-todn...@mozilla.org>,
Daniel  wrote:

> Q don't worry about my two question in my last reply In dealing
> with the Cookie Manager on a second profile, I happened to notice
> that one of the prefs for YouTube.com had a value of
> f1=5000&fv=0.0.0&f5=30 that Expires Thu 04 May 2017 17:41:11
> EST . and THAT profile plays the video.
> 
> When I re-boot SM and check the Cookie Manager, I don't have any
> Youtube cookies! When I go to the Youtube video where I get the error
> message, if I then go to the Cookie Manager, I've got three session
> cookies that Expire At end of session.
> 
> So, with the network.cookies.* all set to default, how do I get the 
> Cookie Manager to remember things??

With default network.cookies.* prefs, the cookie manager *should* be
retaining them across sessions.

There's one other mechanism that can wipe out cookies, the privacy
sanitizer.  The relevant prefs are privacy.sanitize.sanitizeOnShutdown
and privacy.clearOnShutdown.cookies.  If either one of those are
'false', the sanitizer shouldn't touch your cookies.  Only if both of
them are true should it clear your cookies on shutdown.






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Re: Some attached jpg not shown at the end of the mail

[»Q«]

In ,
WaltS48  wrote:

> >>> In ,
> >>> Ray_Net  wrote:

> >> Inline:
> >>
> >> Content-type: multipart/alternative;
> >>  boundary=000509070306020405020204
> >> Content-Type: multipart/related;
> >>  boundary="010603070409080304040506"
> >> Content-Type: image/jpeg;
> >>  name="florence_italy.jpg"

> I don't think anyone can help much without seeing the emails and
> images, or screenshots of them that you have the problem with.

It's tough without having the entire package together, MIME headers and
data together.

If they're not too personal, resending them to mozilla.test.multimedia
should help.  Or if they are too personal, try to construct a new mail
that reproduces the problem.

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Re: Some attached jpg not shown at the end of the mail

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In ,
Ray_Net  wrote:

> Ray_Net wrote on 02/05/2015 17:00:
> > Jonathan N Little wrote on 02/05/2015 00:53:
> >> Ray_Net wrote:
> >>> When I receive a mail with photo attached ...
> >>> The first one, two, three or more are not visible at then end of
> >>> the mail - just the name of the picture is shown with a few blank
> >>> lines between each picture name.

> Nobody have this "bug" ?

Have you read the very recent "Newsgroup graphics & attachments not
displaying" thread?



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Re: Setting up SM for HTML5

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In ,
WaltS48  wrote:

[ the toggle at https://www.youtube.com/html5 ]
> Ahem, but I just tried it in a test profile and it stuck.

Compare what happens in each profile with your youtube.com PREF
cookie(s) when you try to toggle it.  Here's what I see in a Fx profile
where it does work and does stick:

Clicking "Request the HTML5 player" results in a PREF cookie with
content "f2=4000".

Clicking "Use the default player" results in that cookie's content
being the empty string.
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Re: This Connection is Untrusted

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In ,
Daniel  wrote:

> On 02/05/15 21:33, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
> > Daniel wrote:
> >> Entering "godaddy" in the search box of the SM data manager gets an
> >> empty Domain field ... do I need something in there??
> >
> > It probably won't be there. Look under Edit > Preferences > Privacy
> > & Security > Certificates > Manage Certificates > Authorities. For
> > me, GoDaddy.com, Inc. is listed there, with a "root certificate
> > authority" and a "secure certificate authority".
> 
> At this point, I see I've got a GoDaddy.com, Inc. listing that
> includes a "Go Daddy Root Certificate Authority - G2" which is listed
> as a "Software Security Device".
> 
> When I highlight that and click View, under the "General" tab there
> is various information including "Organizational Unit (OU) >Not Part
> Of 
> Certificate> and "Serial Number" 00 and "Period of Validity" began on 
> 01/09/09 and expires on 01/01/38 and SHA1 and SHA-256 fingerprints

At the top of that "General" tab, does it say this? :

This certificate has been verified for the following uses:
SSL Certificate Authority

> On the "Details" tab, there are many "Certificate Fields" but all are 
> empty  including the "Validity" "Not Before" and "Not After"
> fields which contained data on the other "General" tab.

On the "Details" tab, make sure you're looking in the right place.
Clicking on, e.g., "Not Before" should cause the field info to appear
well below where the "Not Before" appears.


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Re: This Connection is Untrusted

[»Q«]

In ,
Daniel  wrote:

> On 02/05/15 21:33, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

> > Look under Edit > Preferences > Privacy
> > & Security > Certificates > Manage Certificates > Authorities. For
> > me, GoDaddy.com, Inc. is listed there, with a "root certificate
> > authority" and a "secure certificate authority".
> 
> At this point, I see I've got a GoDaddy.com, Inc. listing that
> includes a "Go Daddy Root Certificate Authority - G2" which is listed
> as a "Software Security Device".
> 
> When I highlight that and click View, under the "General" tab there
> is various information 

At the top of that "General" tab, does it say this? :

This certificate has been verified for the following uses:
SSL Certificate Authority





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Re: Setting up SM for HTML5

[»Q«]

In <news:_jydnqmkqnwnmnninz2dnuu7-vodn...@mozilla.org>,
Daniel  wrote:

> On 02/05/15 02:37, »Q« wrote:

> > Daniel, Thee Wolf is right that <https://www.youtube.com/html5>
> > *should* let you select HTML5, as long as you keep cookies from
> > youtube.com. 
> 
> Thanks for your responses, Guys!!
> 
> re: the youtube HTML5 page linked above, I've been there before and 
> clicked the button to use HTML5 where ever possible, but that wasn't 
> working. Is this a setting that might have been re-set when I've
> install a new Beta version of SeaMonkey??

What happens if you go there now, click it, and then try to view a
video?

Having clicked it some time in the past isn't good enough because
you have ...

> user_pref("network.cookie.lifetimePolicy", 2);
 ^

This one causes cookies to be cleared when you close a session.  Change
it to 0 to let web sites decide how long your cookie should persist.

If you want to leave your cookie settings alone, you might try an
extension that forces HTML5 at YouTube.  I couldn't find one marked
SeaMonkey-compatible but maybe running one through the extension
converter will work.
<https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/youtube-html5-video/> is a
very simple one that seems to fit the bill.  I use
<https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/youtube-all-html5/>, which
has a few more options than just on-or-off.



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Re: This Connection is Untrusted

[»Q«]

In ,
Daniel  wrote:

> On 01/05/15 20:38, Daniel wrote:
> > On 01/05/15 20:20, Daniel wrote:
> >> I'm currently unemployed, so, to get me out and about, I'm looking
> >> to apply for one of the positions here
> >> http://www.wodonga.vic.gov.au/about-us/careers-with-us/current-vacancies/
> >> however,
> >> in SM 2.33B1, I get told that "This Connection is Untrusted" 

> >> If I open that page in FF 24.2.0, no problem, it even works in
> >> Konqueror 4.11.4!
> >>
> >> Just not SM.
> >>
> >> Anybody got any ideas??
 
> Reading back through the thread, it would seem that I first need to
> know who issued the Cert. Any ideas how I find out what Cert Auth a
> website might use??

In general, you have to find the https URL and paste it into an address
bar.  If that doesn't work, you'd have to move on from browsers to other
tools, which are less easy to use but more flexible.

That page just encloses  in a
frame, which is IMO is a useless, annoying obfuscation.  Open that URL
in one of the browsers that works to see that the issuer is "Go Daddy
Secure Certificate Authority - G2".

Trying to open  in SeaMonkey
may reveal clues about whatever the problem is.

Do you get your SeaMonkey directly from Mozilla or from a repository
specific to your distro?  If it's from a repo, remind me what distro
you use.

I'm starting to suspect that some Debianish devs but not others find
GoDaddy objectionable and disable trusting it.  That's really just
speculation, but it would explain why others can't reproduce your
problem and why only one of your browsers is affected.
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Re: un-subscribe

[»Q«]

In
,
joe4...@onlyinternet.net wrote:

>   Original Message  
> > From: WaltS48
> > Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 10:50 AM
> > To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
> > Subject: Re: un-subscribe
> > 
> > On 05/01/2015 10:25 AM, Joe Grey wrote:
> > > Please un-subscribe me joe4...@gmail.com joe4...@onlyinternet.net
> > >
> > > The only reason I subscribed was to get my sea monkey browser
> > > fixed, I cant re-install. Receiving 100 emails a day on othe
> > > topics has not helped me.
> > >
> > > Looks like I need to find another browser.
> > 
> > Looks like you need to learn how to Unsubscribe from the list.
> > 
> > [support-seamonkey Info 
> > Page](https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey)
> > 
> > You can enter your subscription email address where it says: "To 
> > unsubscribe from support-seamonkey, get a password reminder, or
> > change your subscription options enter your subscription email
> > address:" near the bottom of the page.
> > 
> > There are other ways I'm sure someone will post.

> Good job.   You've lost a loyal user who will no longer recommend
> your product

Given your reaction to Walt's perfectly good, clear advice, you really
should never subscribe to a support list for any product ever again.

And no matter how much you may dislike it, you still need to follow
Walt's advice or Beauregard's in another post.  If you're unable to do
that, get someone you know to help you unsubscribe.  You've already
wasted too much of our time trying to teach you how to unsubscribe.
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Re: Setting up SM for HTML5

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In ,
"Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP]" <.@.> wrote:

> On Fri, 01 May 2015 19:46:50 +1000, Daniel 
> wrote:
> 
> >I know I haven't set my SM up for Flash, but I thought I had set it
> >up for HTML5, but, when I check a youtube, almost invariably it
> >tells me I need to set up for Adobe Flash or HTML5.
> >
> >Can anyone post a link or steps required for setting up HTML5 on SM.
> >
> >Ta.  
> 
> Native HTML5 video decoding was supposed to be enabled by default in
> Firefox 37 (what would have been Seamonkey 2.34) but it was disabled
> after it was found to be acting wonky. It isn't on in SM 2.33 (based
> on FF 36). Have already tried: https://www.youtube.com/html5 ?

The new stuff that had to be disabled in the browser at the same time
YouTube reverted the default was the so-called Media Source Extensions
support;  MSE doesn't affect whether HTML5 video works, just makes it
work better.  Once MSE works, YouTube will be willing and able to serve
HTML5 to Mozilla users by default, but without MSE they're not
willing.  I don't fully understand the benefits of MSE to YouTube
except that it allows more efficient use of their resources. The main
benefit to users is that MSE will let us see 1080p resolution, whereas
without them we can't get HTML5 video res any higher than 720p.  (I
don't know if that's a YouTube policy decision having to do with
efficiency they want or if it's a hard technical constraint.)

Daniel, Thee Wolf is right that 
*should* let you select HTML5, as long as you keep cookies from
youtube.com.  If it doesn't seem to work, post all the info from the
"What does this browser support?" section of that page.
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Re: Making Passwords Show Letters ?

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In ,
Daniel  wrote:

> David, if the Master Password is not saved, how are the passwords 
> decrypted so they can be used??

A hash is stored, and when you enter the password, its hash must match
the stored hash.

That's an oversimplificatoin, The wikipedia has more about password
hashing at
,
and you could scroll up to the top to get stuff about hashing in
general.  Note that in the jargon of cryptography, "message" means the
hash function's input, in this case the master password.
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Re: Rookie Problem with webpg design

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In ,
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty"  wrote:

> Ken, the Composer is very old and hasn't been updated in more than a 
> decade. You might have better luck with the current iteration. It's a 
> stand-alone program called BlueGriffon (which itself is now almost
> two years old). Get it here:  http://bluegriffon.org/

FWIW, the stable version is almost two years old, but Glazman has been
putting a lot of work into it this year.  There's no ETA for a new
stable version, but he's been posting updates on the work.

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Re: Linux... Seamonkey and Sound...

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In ,
Daniel  wrote:

> On 22/04/15 13:01, Rinaldi wrote:
> > sean decreed, Read These Runes!:
> > ***
> >> fwiw, both my flash and pepperflash plugin/addons are up to day
> >
> > But that doesn't mean they are working as designed.  Most of my
> > sound problems come from *flash* not properly releasing the device
> > when finished.
> >
> > ps auxw | grep flash
> >
> > next time your sound device isn't responding properly, then kill -9
> > the PID of the flash process.
> >
> > Here it's usually Seamonkey or Chrome that hung up.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> Hey, Rinaldi, if I
> 
> [daniel@localhost ~]$ ps auxw | grep flash
> 
> I get
> 
> daniel   11700  0.0  0.0  12160   668 pts/2D+   19:31   0:00 grep 
> --color flash [daniel@localhost ~]$
> 
> (Note: the flash following color is in a pretty pink colour!)
> 
> I didn't think I had Flash installed! 

ps is a tool for listing info about running processes.  All you've
discovered is that when you run grep, grep is a running process.  If
Flash were running, it would show up on a separate line of the output.

Rinaldi suggested ps because the OP does have Flash installed, and
because a running Flash process might be causing the trouble.  ps would
let him find the process ID (PID) so he could kill it.

> But just checked SM Add-ons  Manager an it's showing I have "YouTube
> Flash Video Player 36.0 installed!! Is this working in place of
> normal Flash??

No, that's just an extension meant to force the use of Flash (as
opposed to HTML5) on YouTube.  Without Flash installed, you shouldn't
need/want the extension.

> Should my sound be working, or not??

Sound *should* be working for everyone.  ;)  If you are having trouble
with sound, better to start a thread of your own.  If you're just
curious about ps and/or grep, take it to m.general and I'll see what I
can do (or better yet, Rinaldi might -- he knows a lot more than I do). 

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Re: Resuming an interrupted file download

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In ,
Richard Owlett  wrote:

> My focus is link failure while transfer in process. At home I'm on
> dialup. High speed access is via occasionally flaky wifi hotspot at
> local library.
> 
> I found two sub-classes:
>1. link failure while paused - no problem.
>2. link failure while transferring - it will restart at *VERY* 
> beginning of file.

That's a longstanding problem with Mozilla browsers.  (The download
manager in Firefox had some work done on it that improved the
situation, but I think SM still uses older code.  I could be wrong
about this.)

You might try an extension meant to help manage downloading.  I don't
use one, but the one that was most often recommended to Fx users is
still available for SeaMonkey,
.


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Re: receiving emails - how to put images in proper place

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In ,
"Paul B. Gallagher"  wrote:

> Jim wrote:

> > only about 20 or 30 percent of the emails show a User Agent line.
> 
> Yep, the rest are using webmails.

Some of them probably are, but there are plenty of non-web e-mail
clients which don't generate User-Agent headers.



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Re: in porting mail

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In ,
Smiles  wrote:

> one of my clients decided to try someone else who changed email
> program to "incredible mail"
> 
> does any one know how to move mail over to SeaMonkey



That page hasn't been updated in years, and I have no idea whether any
of the tools mentioned actually work with current versions of
Incredimail.  I can only wish you luck!
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Re: SM Profile

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In ,
Ed Mullen  wrote:

> Eric wrote on 4/13/2015 7:49 PM:

> >> You might have to edit your profile INI file because it is likely
> >> pointing to your C:\ drive instead of the USB drive letter.
 
> And the INI file does not specify a drive it simply says: 
> Path=Profiles/.name

That depends on whether IsRelative=1 or IsRelative=0, which depends on
how the profile was created in the first place.
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Re: "We've detected that your device or browser does not support this HTML5 format video. Please watch on the most recent generation device and browser."

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In ,
Ant  wrote:

> >> http://www.rockstargames.com/videos/video/11267 and
> >> http://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl?action=viewthread&boardid=1&threadid=160425
> >>
> >> Is anyone else getting this error [Subject: "We've detected that
> >> your device or browser does not support this HTML5 format video.
> >> Please watch on the most recent generation device and browser."]
> >> in their SeaMonkey web browsers? Or is it just my very old
> >> computer and OS? :/
> >
> > My guess is that it's your old OS.  I don't know about SeaMonkey, so
> > my guess is based on the (possibly wrong) assumption that SM deals
> > with web video the same way Fx does.
> >
> > For a while now Windows 7+ Firefox has been able to play mp4s
> > without any helper apps, leveraging Windows Media Foundation.  But
> > Windows XP does not have Windows Media Foundation.  So I think you
> > need a plugin for those mp4s.  If you use a plugin or any other
> > handler, make sure media.windows-media-foundation.enabled is set to
> > 'false'.
> 
> Shouldn't SM be able to play HTML5 videos natively without any addons?

I guess that depends on what "should" means.  But unless I've missed
something in this thread, no XP users are reporting that it can play
mpeg4 videos without a plugin.
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Re: "We've detected that your device or browser does not support this HTML5 format video. Please watch on the most recent generation device and browser."

[»Q«]

In ,
JAS  wrote:

> Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

> > So now that you've seen several answers, the next question is, in
> > Edit | Preferences | Browser | Helper Applications, what do you
> > have specified for mp4 files?
> >
> > If nothing, SM won't be able to play them. Then you could install
> > VLC or some other program to handle them. There are lots of options.
> >  
> I have VLC already selected in the browser helper section to play the 
> mp4 files. What next?

Set media.windows-media-foundation.enabled to 'false' (and maybe restart
SM).
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Re: "We've detected that your device or browser does not support this HTML5 format video. Please watch on the most recent generation device and browser."

[»Q«]

In ,
Ant  wrote:

> http://www.rockstargames.com/videos/video/11267 and 
> http://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl?action=viewthread&boardid=1&threadid=160425
> 
> Is anyone else getting this error [Subject: "We've detected that your
> device or browser does not support this HTML5 format video. Please
> watch on the most recent generation device and browser."] in their
> SeaMonkey web browsers? Or is it just my very old computer and OS? :/

My guess is that it's your old OS.  I don't know about SeaMonkey, so
my guess is based on the (possibly wrong) assumption that SM deals
with web video the same way Fx does.

For a while now Windows 7+ Firefox has been able to play mp4s without
any helper apps, leveraging Windows Media Foundation.  But Windows XP
does not have Windows Media Foundation.  So I think you need a plugin
for those mp4s.  If you use a plugin or any other handler, make sure
media.windows-media-foundation.enabled is set to 'false'.
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Re: Question about Composer

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In ,
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty"  wrote:

> Mr. Ed wrote:
> 
> > On 2/14/2015 4:56 PM, Ray_Net wrote:  
> >> jeff.nee...@gmail.com wrote on 14/02/2015 19:59:  
> >>> Hi.  Is anyone aware of a word count facility that can be added to
> >>> Composer?
> >>> It would be really helpful.  Many thanks again.  
> >> Composer is just maintained. There will be no enhancement.
> >> You should use http://bluegriffon.org/  
> > 
> > Looks like bluegriffon hasn't been changed in two years.
> > Hard to believe that it was perfected that long ago.  
> 
> BlueGriffon is still at least a dozen years newer than Composer.

And Glazman had been working on HTML editors since the days when
Composer was a going concern.  AFAIK, BG is still the best WYSINWOG
html editor.  ;)
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Re: Using < and > for URLs messing up for links.

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In ,
Ray_Net  wrote:

> David E. Ross wrote on 30/01/2015 04:50:
> > On 1/29/2015 6:21 PM, Ant wrote:
> >> On 1/29/2015 7:44 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
> >>
> >>> It is NOT your problem.  The problem belongs to users of E-mail
> >>> applications that are not standards-compliant.  Some people in my
> >>> address book have the same problem.  I tell them once how to fix
> >>> it, and then I ignore their problem.
> >>
> >> They changed their e-mail clients?
> >>
> > NO, but they stopped complaining.  And I can tell they do use the
> > link to visit my Web page.
> 
> Anyway it's very annoying to copy/paste a text when they can go on
> your web site by a simple click.

If they think it's SeaMonkey that's annoying them, they should be told
that their own clients are at fault.  That way they can do something
about it if they want to.

I guess if it's really important to the sender *not* to annoy people
using clients that choke on URLs, the sender gets to take on the
annoyance of editing the URLs to suit the sucky clients.

> If you send me a not-clickable url like this:
> .https://www.google.fr/maps/place/Roscoff/@48.7115365,-3.9873595,13z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x4813e1457ead5c67:0x7edaeff9d05b4845

Not-clickable?  Clicking that URL in your message took me to a google
map of part of Brittany.  But certainly it's a Bad Idea to put a '.'
character right before a URL, just as it's a Good Idea to put a '<'
character there.

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Re: URLs and spaces

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In <news:hqgdnuc00u_wif7jnz2dnuu7-tudn...@mozilla.org>,
Ray_Net  wrote:

> »Q« wrote on 24/01/2015 04:48:
> > In
> > <news:mailman.9195.1422047845.26609.support-seamon...@lists.mozilla.org>,
> > mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
> >  
> >> Stripping whitespace allows long links, wrapped across lines in a
> >> plain-text email, to still work. If the whitespace was encoded to
> >> form the URI, the link wouldn't work. This is also mentioned in RFC
> >> 3986 Appendix C, which someone mentioned earlier in the thread.  

> > Yes, either way, something breaks.  Instead of removing all the
> > whitespace (as per the RFCs), only whitespace containing a CRLF
> > could be removed, and whitespace consisting only of a single 
> > ' ' (Ed's case) could be percent-encoded.  (Not that I'm saying it
> > would be worth anyone's effort to implement such an algorithm.)
> 
> Very strange your proposal of CRLF 
> Would you replace this url
>
> <http://edmullen.net/temp/Stan Rogers - The Witch of the
> Westmorland.mp3>
>
> by this sone ? (i never think of writtinf an url this way :-) )
> <http://edmullen.net/temp/Stan
> Rogers
> -
> The
> Witch
> of
> the
> Westmorland.mp3> 

No.

(Sorry to be so terse, but I can't think of anything else to say about it.)

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Re: URLs and spaces

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In ,
Ed Mullen  wrote:

> > For sending html, SM has to make a decision about what to do with
> > the spaces;  unencoded spaces are ok in URLs, but not in href
> > attributes of anchor elements.
> 
> Why?  Why not jsut faithfully send what is written?

Because the link wouldn't even be clickable.

Turning off SM's WYSINWOG html editor and just sending plain text
should be the solution for people who only want what they've written to
be transmitted unaltered.
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Re: URLs and spaces

[»Q«]

In
,
mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

> Stripping whitespace allows long links, wrapped across lines in a 
> plain-text email, to still work. If the whitespace was encoded to
> form the URI, the link wouldn't work. This is also mentioned in RFC
> 3986 Appendix C, which someone mentioned earlier in the thread.

Yes, either way, something breaks.  Instead of removing all the
whitespace (as per the RFCs), only whitespace containing a CRLF could
be removed, and whitespace consisting only of a single ' ' (Ed's case)
could be percent-encoded.  (Not that I'm saying it would be worth
anyone's effort to implement such an algorithm.)


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Re: URLs and spaces

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In ,
WaltS48  wrote:

> "Never, ever use spaces in file and directory names! Windows
> operating systems do allow spaces and even seem to encourage you to
> use them, but UNIX operating systems (which run most servers) have
> problems with them."
> 
> REF: [HTML Tip: What's In A (File) 
> Name?](http://www.netmechanic.com/news/vol6/html_no6.htm)
> 
> Now I'm off to rename all my files with spaces.

The only "problem" I've ever had with spaces in filenames was when I
was writing sh scripts before I really understood escaping and quoting
syntax.  But that's the same problem a Windows users writing scripts
would have.  *nix applications that work with filenames don't choke on
spaces any more than Windows ones do, which is not at all IME.

For putting files on a server whose config is controlled by somebody
else, though, not using spaces in filenames should help ensure fewer
headaches.

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Re: URLs and spaces

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In ,
"David E. Ross"  wrote:

> In any case, Appendix C of RFC 3986 says that white space (blank) is
> also a delimiter for bracketing URIs in addition to <>.  Thus, the
> blank before your "http" and the blank between "Stan" and "Rogers"
> would make your URI  if you did not
> use the <> delimiters.

And pretty much any URL extractor that acts on the plain text
 
is going to see it as "http://edmullen.net/temp/Stan";.  It's properly 
delimited by < on the left and whitespace on the right.

I think the notion that the right > is some kind of super-delimiter 
which overrides the earlier whitespace delimiters is a Microsoft 
"innovation" which doesn't really work.
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Re: URLs and spaces

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In <news:coudnspcid5alfzjnz2dnuu7-smdn...@mozilla.org>,
Ed Mullen  wrote:

> »Q« wrote on 1/21/2015 11:29 PM:
> > In <news:roqdnqgdwcp7xl3jnz2dnuu7-wudn...@mozilla.org>,
> > Ed Mullen  wrote:
> >  
> >> »Q« wrote on 1/21/2015 9:00 PM:  
> >>> In <news:bawdnsvq1od3ayljnz2dnuu7-ywdn...@mozilla.org>,
> >>> Ed Mullen  wrote:
> >>>  
> >>>> I compose an email to myself with a URL in it ala:
> >>>>
> >>>> <http://edmullen.net/temp/Stan Rogers - The Witch of the  
> >>>> Westmorland.mp3>  
> >>>>
> >>>> When I send and view the email and hover over the link, the
> >>>> status bar shows the URL with the spaces removed.  If I view the
> >>>> source the spaces are indeed gone.
> >>>>
> >>>> Is this new?  Normal?  
> >>>
> >>> I dunno about new, but according to RFC 3986 (Appendix C) it's
> >>> what should happen, i.e., unencoded whitespace should be ignored
> >>> when parsing URLs.  Whitespace (including line breaks) breaks up
> >>> URLs, so removing it is the way to put them back together again.
> >>>  
> >>>> Able to be defeated?  
> >>>
> >>> I expect it's deep in the heart of Gecko and can't be overridden.
> >>>
> >>> IME the quickest way to get the whitespaces encoded is what Ray
> >>> suggested, entering the URL in the address bar, then copying it
> >>> from the address bar.
> >>>  
> >>
> >> Well, I have no recorded history but I do believe this used to
> >> work. I've been putting files on my servers with spaces for years
> >> and sending the URLs to people in emails.
> >>
> >> I don't believe an email client should be altering content at all.
> >> It's simply wrong.  If I want to send a text stream in a
> >> conversation should the email client alter my content?  No!  It
> >> should not.
> >>
> >> What next?  I explicitly type WTFO and SeaMonky changes that to
> >> "What The Furry Over?"
> >>
> >> Hey, it's my freaking message.  
> >
> > I'm confused by this.  I thought you were having SeaMonkey turn your
> > message into html (necessarily altering the input) and that the
> > html it produces had the mangled URLs.  If this was happening in
> > plain text mode, I'm stumped;  SeaMonkey shouldn't be altering that.
> 
> I was composing the email in HTML mode.
> 
> Just tested a plain-text email.  With < > brackets around the link
> the link shows as clickable and is displayed with spaces.  If I look
> in the source, the spaces are there.  If hover over the link and
> check the status bar the spaces are removed!

For sending html, SM has to make a decision about what to do with
the spaces;  unencoded spaces are ok in URLs, but not in href
attributes of anchor elements.  Removing the spaces implicitly assumes
that they were not unintentional, and encoding them would implicitly
assume that they were intentional.  So all SM needs is a mind-reading
module.  ;)

When SM receives a plain text message with a URL with spaces, it then
has to make a decision about how to convert that to html for display.
And again the question is whether the spaces were intentional or not.
(Simply putting the unencoded spaces into an anchor's href would make
the link unclickable.)

I think an argument could be made that SM should percent-encode the
spaces in both cases.  That would mean that URLs which were
unintentionally broken with whitespace would not get fixed, but they
were broken in the first place.  And it would mean that URLs which do
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Re: URLs and spaces

[»Q«]

In <news:roqdnqgdwcp7xl3jnz2dnuu7-wudn...@mozilla.org>,
Ed Mullen  wrote:

> »Q« wrote on 1/21/2015 9:00 PM:
> > In <news:bawdnsvq1od3ayljnz2dnuu7-ywdn...@mozilla.org>,
> > Ed Mullen  wrote:
> >
> >> I compose an email to myself with a URL in it ala:
> >>
> >> <http://edmullen.net/temp/Stan Rogers - The Witch of the
> >> Westmorland.mp3>
> >>
> >> When I send and view the email and hover over the link, the status
> >> bar shows the URL with the spaces removed.  If I view the source
> >> the spaces are indeed gone.
> >>
> >> Is this new?  Normal?
> >
> > I dunno about new, but according to RFC 3986 (Appendix C) it's what
> > should happen, i.e., unencoded whitespace should be ignored when
> > parsing URLs.  Whitespace (including line breaks) breaks up URLs, so
> > removing it is the way to put them back together again.
> >
> >> Able to be defeated?
> >
> > I expect it's deep in the heart of Gecko and can't be overridden.
> >
> > IME the quickest way to get the whitespaces encoded is what Ray
> > suggested, entering the URL in the address bar, then copying it from
> > the address bar.
> >
> 
> Well, I have no recorded history but I do believe this used to work. 
> I've been putting files on my servers with spaces for years and
> sending the URLs to people in emails.
> 
> I don't believe an email client should be altering content at all.
> It's simply wrong.  If I want to send a text stream in a conversation
> should the email client alter my content?  No!  It should not.
> 
> What next?  I explicitly type WTFO and SeaMonky changes that to "What 
> The Furry Over?"
> 
> Hey, it's my freaking message.

I'm confused by this.  I thought you were having SeaMonkey turn your
message into html (necessarily altering the input) and that the html it
produces had the mangled URLs.  If this was happening in plain text
mode, I'm stumped;  SeaMonkey shouldn't be altering that.
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Re: URLs and spaces

[»Q«]

In ,
Ed Mullen  wrote:

> I compose an email to myself with a URL in it ala:
> 
>  Westmorland.mp3>
> 
> When I send and view the email and hover over the link, the status
> bar shows the URL with the spaces removed.  If I view the source the
> spaces are indeed gone.
> 
> Is this new?  Normal?  

I dunno about new, but according to RFC 3986 (Appendix C) it's what
should happen, i.e., unencoded whitespace should be ignored when
parsing URLs.  Whitespace (including line breaks) breaks up URLs, so
removing it is the way to put them back together again.

> Able to be defeated?

I expect it's deep in the heart of Gecko and can't be overridden.  

IME the quickest way to get the whitespaces encoded is what Ray
suggested, entering the URL in the address bar, then copying it from
the address bar.
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Re: platforms

[»Q«]

In ,
Rufus  wrote:

> I don't care about any project being F/LOSS, "volunteer", or 
> whatever...leaning on that only sounds like an excuse.  It's not a
> valid reason for inaction or non-responsiveness.

A basic understanding of how F/LOSS projects work helps a lot if you're
trying to work with one.  As long as any mention of it sounds like an
excuse to you, you can expect to make as much headway as you have so
far.

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Re: Using < and > for URLs messing up for links.

[»Q«]

In ,
Philip Chee  wrote:

> On 19/01/2015 14:26, Ant wrote:

> > I have a few receipts complain that my URLs are not
> > clickable/linked (EarthLink's webmail) OR linked incorrectly (Mutt)
> > because of < and > usages in SeaMonkey's composers.  
> 
> That's odd. < > are standard delimiters for urls and have been for
> decades. There's probably a RFC on this. 

Yup, decades.

RFC 1738, _Uniform Resource Locators (URL)_, 1994 Berners-Lee et al.

TMI, I know, but I just happened to have it open in a tab and I
couldn't resist.

> Any mailnews software that doesn't recognize those as delimiters is
> seriously broken.

Mutt historically didn't do any URL-recognition.  (I'm not even sure
it does now;  maybe it's really the terminal doing that for Ant's
recipient.)  Mutt users piped message bodies to something that does,
usually urlview.  I just tested urlview by piping a few messages to
it, and it handles the delimiters fine.  Ant, you might point the Mutt
users towards that.
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Re: platforms

[»Q«]

In <news:gngdntvi8iz49cdjnz2dnuu7-uedn...@mozilla.org>,
Rufus  wrote:

> »Q« wrote:
> > In <news:1b2dnxuuo8asgchjnz2dnuu7-xodn...@mozilla.org>,
> > Rufus  wrote:
> >
> > [about communication wrt level of support for different platforms]  
> >> Be professional.  That's all I really want.  
> >
> > Clearly, you have a vision of a much more "professional" SeaMonkey
> > organization.  But IME, telling a community of F/LOSS volunteers
> > what they should do, without doing any of it yourself, is a lot
> > like farting in the wind.  Maybe you could open a dialog with the
> > people who build the releases and type up what you learn about
> > multi-platform support in a clear, "professional" manner? 
> 
> Anyone that posts feedback is a "volunteer".  We all do it.

Sure.

> If one wants to get paid, one should get a paying job.  Otherwise, if 
> you're doing it for the sheer love of doing it, then do the best you
> can and stop whining about being a "volunteer".

You can do better than that;  you can killfile people telling you how
you should conduct your volunteer work without volunteering any effort
(other than typing "feedback") of their own.

You posted feedback suggesting that the SM devs should do something,
and I posted feedback suggesting that you should do something.
Apparently, no one's about to say "that guy's right!" and get to work on
either of our suggestions.  And that's because that's not how anything
gets done in F/LOSS projects, which was my point in the first place.

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Re: platforms

[»Q«]

In ,
Rufus  wrote:

[about communication wrt level of support for different platforms]
> Be professional.  That's all I really want.

Clearly, you have a vision of a much more "professional" SeaMonkey
organization.  But IME, telling a community of F/LOSS volunteers what
they should do, without doing any of it yourself, is a lot like farting
in the wind.  Maybe you could open a dialog with the people who build
the releases and type up what you learn about multi-platform support in
a clear, "professional" manner?



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Re: SeaMonkey 2.32 released

[»Q«]

In ,
EE  wrote:

> Ray_Net wrote:
> > EE wrote on 17/01/2015 19:05:
> >> NFN Smith wrote:
> >>> EE wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
>  I am using the latest version of Adblock Plus, 2.6.7.  It does
>  not block
>  ads with SM 2.32.  There is a large ad banner that will appear
>  on the first page of YouTube and it appears if I am running SM
>  2.32. With SM 2.31, there are no ads visible on YouTube.  Also,
>  the toolbar button for
>  Adblock Plus disappears, and it is impossible to get to the
>  interface for the filter lists.

> >> Somebody finally gave me the solution (on a web forum).  The
> >> setting: dom.indexedDB.enabled has to be set to true now in order
> >> for Adblock Plus to work with SeaMonkey.
> >
> > It's true by default in my SM ...
> 
> But I had set it to false, and nobody told me until the other day
> that I had to change it back again.



We should be able to set it back to "false" once that work gets
released, two cycles away.  In the meantime, we get to choose between
blocking ads and having so-called "super cookie" technology enabled.




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Re: SeaMonkey 2.32 released

[»Q«]

In ,
EE  wrote:

> > EE wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I am using the latest version of Adblock Plus, 2.6.7.  It does not
> >> block ads with SM 2.32.  There is a large ad banner that will
> >> appear on the first page of YouTube and it appears if I am running
> >> SM 2.32.  With SM 2.31, there are no ads visible on YouTube.
> >> Also, the toolbar button for Adblock Plus disappears, and it is
> >> impossible to get to the interface for the filter lists.

> Somebody finally gave me the solution (on a web forum).  The setting:
> dom.indexedDB.enabled has to be set to true now in order for Adblock 
> Plus to work with SeaMonkey.

Written up in some detail (for Fx, but it's the same issue) at
.
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