Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[david . john . coulson]

On Saturday, 1 October 2016 10:28:12 UTC-4, Gerry Hickman  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> When I go to "Tools: Addons Manager : Plugins" there's an entry for 
> "Shockwave Flash", but it doesn't work. I'm not sure if it ever worked.
> 
> "Flash Player Plugin 22.0.0.192 to 22.0.0.211 (click-to-play) has been 
> blocked for your protection."
> 
> I know I can install it via the operating system, but I don't like the 
> official web based Adobe installation process.
> 
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R u there, Dave

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[david . john . coulson]

On Saturday, 1 October 2016 10:28:12 UTC-4, Gerry Hickman  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> When I go to "Tools: Addons Manager : Plugins" there's an entry for 
> "Shockwave Flash", but it doesn't work. I'm not sure if it ever worked.
> 
> "Flash Player Plugin 22.0.0.192 to 22.0.0.211 (click-to-play) has been 
> blocked for your protection."
> 
> I know I can install it via the operating system, but I don't like the 
> official web based Adobe installation process.
> 
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R U still in Lee Green.

Dave.
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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Mason83]

On 01/10/2016 16:27, Gerry Hickman wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> When I go to "Tools: Addons Manager : Plugins" there's an entry for 
> "Shockwave Flash", but it doesn't work. I'm not sure if it ever worked.
> 
> "Flash Player Plugin 22.0.0.192 to 22.0.0.211 (click-to-play) has been 
> blocked for your protection."
> 
> I know I can install it via the operating system, but I don't like the 
> official web based Adobe installation process.

https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/installation-problems-flash-player-windows.html
https://fpdownload.macromedia.com/pub/flashplayer/latest/help/install_flash_player.exe

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Gerry Hickman]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

There are two "update now" links, on two different pages, that act
differently.

1) At SeaMonkey's own Add-ons Manager, a plugin known to be outdated
will be listed thus:
 XXX is known to be vulnerable and should be updated. Update now.
This text hyperlink unexpectedly takes the user to an explanation of why
the plugin is blocked, and not to the publisher's update page. This
should be fixed.


Yes, that's the part that seems to be broken.

In my case, the other problem was that I thought you could update 
plugins from within SeaMonkey.


> My recommendation is to provide two links: "Why is it

blocked?" with the current target, and "Update now" with the expected
target at the publisher's update page.

2) At the Plugin Check page
, "Update Now" buttons act
as expected -- they take the user to the publisher's update page.



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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 03/10/2016 2:06 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

Here's another example of a blocked message
https://blocklist.addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/blocked/p1246


Okay, I just wanted to clarify, because Mozilla doesn't offer plugins,
and doesn't have a plugins site. :)

The page at Tools-->Add-ons_Manager-->Plugins lists the plugins you have
already installed.

Plugins are offered by third-parties, and are not installed by
SeaMonkey.


OK, so I think you're saying the "Update Now" button is supposed to take
you to the 3rd party site, instead of showing a "blocked" message, and
further to this, that plugins are not to be confused with 'extensions',
which can be installed from addons.mozilla.org.


I'm saying that the plugins listed are not being offered to you; they
are the plugins you already have installed.

If there is an "Update Now" button, I don't know where it is supposed to
take you. I can't test it right now. Where does it take you?


There are two "update now" links, on two different pages, that act 
differently.


1) At SeaMonkey's own Add-ons Manager, a plugin known to be outdated 
will be listed thus:

XXX is known to be vulnerable and should be updated. Update now.
This text hyperlink unexpectedly takes the user to an explanation of why 
the plugin is blocked, and not to the publisher's update page. This 
should be fixed. My recommendation is to provide two links: "Why is it 
blocked?" with the current target, and "Update now" with the expected 
target at the publisher's update page.


2) At the Plugin Check page 
, "Update Now" buttons act 
as expected -- they take the user to the publisher's update page.


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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Chris Ilias]

On 03/10/2016 2:06 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

Here's another example of a blocked message
https://blocklist.addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/blocked/p1246


Okay, I just wanted to clarify, because Mozilla doesn't offer plugins,
and doesn't have a plugins site. :)

The page at Tools-->Add-ons_Manager-->Plugins lists the plugins you have
already installed.

Plugins are offered by third-parties, and are not installed by SeaMonkey.


OK, so I think you're saying the "Update Now" button is supposed to take
you to the 3rd party site, instead of showing a "blocked" message, and
further to this, that plugins are not to be confused with 'extensions',
which can be installed from addons.mozilla.org.


I'm saying that the plugins listed are not being offered to you; they 
are the plugins you already have installed.


If there is an "Update Now" button, I don't know where it is supposed to 
take you. I can't test it right now. Where does it take you?


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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[WaltS48]

On 10/03/2016 03:49 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

WaltS48 wrote on 03/10/2016 21:23:

On 10/03/2016 03:06 PM, EE wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

The best way to check is probably going to Adobe
 remove the check marks for the
Optional offers and click the Install Now button.


I see no checkboxes or checkmarks anywhere on that page.  The only 
interactive items are just links and an install button.




Probably because you are on a Mac. I don't see any checkboxes when I 
go there with Linux.


I was responding to a Windows user, using my Windows version of 
SeaMonkey 2.40.



I am a windows user and I see 2 "offers"
- McAfee Security Scan Plus utility
- True Key by Intel Security


The same offers that I saw.

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Ray_Net]

WaltS48 wrote on 03/10/2016 21:23:

On 10/03/2016 03:06 PM, EE wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

The best way to check is probably going to Adobe
 remove the check marks for the
Optional offers and click the Install Now button.


I see no checkboxes or checkmarks anywhere on that page.  The only 
interactive items are just links and an install button.




Probably because you are on a Mac. I don't see any checkboxes when I 
go there with Linux.


I was responding to a Windows user, using my Windows version of 
SeaMonkey 2.40.



I am a windows user and I see 2 "offers"
- McAfee Security Scan Plus utility
- True Key by Intel Security
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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[WaltS48]

On 10/03/2016 03:06 PM, EE wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

The best way to check is probably going to Adobe
 remove the check marks for the
Optional offers and click the Install Now button.


I see no checkboxes or checkmarks anywhere on that page.  The only 
interactive items are just links and an install button.




Probably because you are on a Mac. I don't see any checkboxes when I go 
there with Linux.


I was responding to a Windows user, using my Windows version of 
SeaMonkey 2.40.


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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[EE]

WaltS48 wrote:

The best way to check is probably going to Adobe
 remove the check marks for the
Optional offers and click the Install Now button.


I see no checkboxes or checkmarks anywhere on that page.  The only 
interactive items are just links and an install button.


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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[EE]

Gerry Hickman wrote:

Hi,

When I go to "Tools: Addons Manager : Plugins" there's an entry for
"Shockwave Flash", but it doesn't work. I'm not sure if it ever worked.

"Flash Player Plugin 22.0.0.192 to 22.0.0.211 (click-to-play) has been
blocked for your protection."

I know I can install it via the operating system, but I don't like the
official web based Adobe installation process.

Is there any way to download the installer and install it yourself 
later?  That is the way I have done it before, and I prefer it that way.


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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Gerry Hickman]

Desiree wrote:


https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/installation-problems-flash-player-windows.html

Look under the section "Still Having Problems?"   There you can download
the full, off line installer to disk.


Thanks! That's a really good tip.


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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Gerry Hickman]

Chris Ilias wrote:

Here's another example of a blocked message
https://blocklist.addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/blocked/p1246


Okay, I just wanted to clarify, because Mozilla doesn't offer plugins,
and doesn't have a plugins site. :)

The page at Tools-->Add-ons_Manager-->Plugins lists the plugins you have
already installed.

Plugins are offered by third-parties, and are not installed by SeaMonkey.


OK, so I think you're saying the "Update Now" button is supposed to take 
you to the 3rd party site, instead of showing a "blocked" message, and 
further to this, that plugins are not to be confused with 'extensions', 
which can be installed from addons.mozilla.org.


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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Gerry Hickman]

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:


https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/download/?installer=FP_23_for_Firefox_-_NPAPI=1


It is the complete FP23x.  It is not a 1k stub.


Ok, that seems to work!


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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Chris Ilias wrote:


On 2016-10-02 2:18 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


As noted upthread, when a plugin is outdated,


I've found that support threads can often get messy when others try to
speak on behalf of the original poster. If he has any follow-up to my
reply, I'm sure he'll post it himself. :)


I was quoting myself.

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Chris Ilias]

On 2016-10-02 2:18 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 2016-10-02 6:53 AM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

On 2016-10-01 3:20 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:


I understand that, but why would the Mozilla plugin site be
offering an out-of-date plugin, and then saying it's blocked?


Chris, as explained in my original post, I'm talking about "Tools :
Add-ons Manager : Plugins". When I try to update from within SeaMonkey,
it offers an out-of-date version and says it's "blocked". I think it's
pointing to the site https://addons.mozilla.org/

Here's another example of a blocked message
https://blocklist.addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/blocked/p1246


Okay, I just wanted to clarify, because Mozilla doesn't offer plugins,
and doesn't have a plugins site. :)

The page at Tools-->Add-ons_Manager-->Plugins lists the plugins you have
already installed.

Plugins are offered by third-parties, and are not installed by SeaMonkey.


As noted upthread, when a plugin is outdated,


I've found that support threads can often get messy when others try to 
speak on behalf of the original poster. If he has any follow-up to my 
reply, I'm sure he'll post it himself. :)


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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 2016-10-02 6:53 AM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

On 2016-10-01 3:20 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:


I understand that, but why would the Mozilla plugin site be
offering an out-of-date plugin, and then saying it's blocked?


Chris, as explained in my original post, I'm talking about "Tools :
Add-ons Manager : Plugins". When I try to update from within SeaMonkey,
it offers an out-of-date version and says it's "blocked". I think it's
pointing to the site https://addons.mozilla.org/

Here's another example of a blocked message
https://blocklist.addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/blocked/p1246


Okay, I just wanted to clarify, because Mozilla doesn't offer plugins,
and doesn't have a plugins site. :)

The page at Tools-->Add-ons_Manager-->Plugins lists the plugins you have
already installed.

Plugins are offered by third-parties, and are not installed by SeaMonkey.


As noted upthread, when a plugin is outdated, Tools | Add-ons Manager | 
Plugins will have a link to "Update now," which unfortunately doesn't 
take the user to the publisher's update page, but to an explanation of 
the reason for the block. This should be fixed.


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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Ray_Net wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 01/10/2016 23:48:

Ray_Net wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote on 01/10/2016 21:25:

On 2016-10-01 3:20 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

It's blocked because that version is out of date.  Current version is
23.0.0.162.


I understand that, but why would the Mozilla plugin site be
offering an
out-of-date plugin, and then saying it's blocked?


What Mozilla plugin site are you referring to?


Per exemple https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/
Where we can see:

Adobe Flash Player
Shockwave Flash 22.0 r0

v. 22.0.0.209 vulnerable


That's what you have now, not what they're offering.

I go to Tools - Add-ons Manager - Plugins -
Show me for Shockwave Flash - a line with
- a red text: Shockwave flash is known to be vulnerable and should be
udated
- a link labelled "Update now".

This link Is WHAT SM OFFER ME .
If I click on it SM brings me to that page:
https://blocklist.addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/blocked/p1274

INSTEAD OF "Update" the plugin to have a non-blocked one.


OK, you're right that following the "Update now" link from Tools | 
Add-ons Manager | Plugins does misdirect you to the explanation of the 
reason for the block. That's not what we were discussing, but yes, it is 
a problem and I agree it should be fixed.



https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/

Where You see the bad version with the button "UPDATE NOW"

Who brings me to https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/

Where I see Version 23.0.0.162


Yes, this is what we were discussing; thanks for confirming that it 
works correctly.


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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Ray_Net]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 01/10/2016 23:48:

Ray_Net wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote on 01/10/2016 21:25:

On 2016-10-01 3:20 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

It's blocked because that version is out of date.  Current version is
23.0.0.162.


I understand that, but why would the Mozilla plugin site be 
offering an

out-of-date plugin, and then saying it's blocked?


What Mozilla plugin site are you referring to?


Per exemple https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/
Where we can see:

Adobe Flash Player
Shockwave Flash 22.0 r0

v. 22.0.0.209 vulnerable


That's what you have now, not what they're offering.

I go to Tools - Add-ons Manager - Plugins -
Show me for Shockwave Flash - a line with
- a red text: Shockwave flash is known to be vulnerable and should be udated
- a link labelled "Update now".

This link Is WHAT SM OFFER ME .
If I click on it SM brings me to that page:
https://blocklist.addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/blocked/p1274

INSTEAD OF "Update" the plugin to have a non-blocked one.

On that page, I read:
All users are strongly recommended to check for updates on our plugin 
check page.

"plugin check page" is a link to:

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/

Where You see the bad version with the button "UPDATE NOW"

Who brings me to https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/

Where I see Version 23.0.0.162

OK 

Now I will be able to update my plugin 

But what a hassle 

It would be more simple if the first link "Update now" in the Shockwave 
Flash line of the plugin part of add-ons manager
point directl to https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ instead of the 3 
more steps to reach this page.

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

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Gerry Hickman wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:


My SM gives me the option to run or save.
I normally choose save then use the firewall to block internet access
(or pull the plug) then run from hdd.  Not just for Flash but for
everything.
19,672 kb is more then an installer stub, it's the whole thing.


You are right about the file size, I'm not sure how you got it from their site. 
When I try
it, I just get the installer stub. Can you give an exact URL where you obtain 
the 19,672kb
file.


https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/download/?installer=FP_23_for_Firefox_-_NPAPI=1

It is the complete FP23x.  It is not a 1k stub.  I moved it to another
computer and installed it with network disconnected.
Perhaps it is regional and you and Desiree are not allowed to download it.
I don't know.  It has always worked for me. Since this is a SM group I
assumed that you were trying to install the NPAPI version and not the MSI 
version.
If you are trying to install in IE then you will need the MSI version.

btw, I reverted to FP 18.0.0.375 stable version since v23 would not run
http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=hgx=N0R=yes

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Chris Ilias]

On 2016-10-02 6:53 AM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

On 2016-10-01 3:20 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:


I understand that, but why would the Mozilla plugin site be offering an 
out-of-date plugin, and then saying it's blocked?


Chris, as explained in my original post, I'm talking about "Tools :
Add-ons Manager : Plugins". When I try to update from within SeaMonkey,
it offers an out-of-date version and says it's "blocked". I think it's
pointing to the site https://addons.mozilla.org/

Here's another example of a blocked message
https://blocklist.addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/blocked/p1246


Okay, I just wanted to clarify, because Mozilla doesn't offer plugins, 
and doesn't have a plugins site. :)


The page at Tools-->Add-ons_Manager-->Plugins lists the plugins you have 
already installed.


Plugins are offered by third-parties, and are not installed by SeaMonkey.

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

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Gerry Hickman wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

No, as previously noted, it's not "offering," it's "detecting." It's
saying "this is what you have."


But it also has an "Update Now" button, and that's the part that doesn't
work. It's supposed to take you to the latest version of the plugin so
that you can install it (inside SM). This is more important, for
example, if you have SM users who don't have admin rights.


It's always worked for me in the past. I can't test at the moment 
because I'm not outdated.


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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

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On 10/2/2016 4:08 AM, Desiree wrote:

fpdownload.macromedia.co ··· ayer.exe


Sorry.  I see that links to the regular flash player stub download.  I 
don't know how to copy the link I have to paste here correctly.  What I 
have is a live, direct link to the full download.  it is just another 
way to get the full download from Flash Player troubleshooting site that 
I posted here earlier.

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Desiree]

On 10/1/2016 9:17 AM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

I go to the Adobe download page, click download, save to hdd, and
install from there.
It works great and I have a copy that I can send to the other computers
via the LAN.



I use my firewall to block flash from phoning home. There is no online
install process. It's quick and easy.
https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/


That URL is the usual "Install Now" option. There is a link on that
page, where you can choose a different operating system, and download an
EXE, but isn't that just a download manager in disguise, or are you
saying the EXE is an offline installer? Does it extract the MSI to a
temp location first?


The other way to get it as a full download to disk to install offline if 
you wish is a direct link.


fpdownload.macromedia.co ··· ayer.exe
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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Desiree]

On 10/1/2016 11:33 AM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

Gerry Hickman wrote:

That URL is the usual "Install Now" option. There is a link on that
page, where you can choose a different operating system, and download an
EXE, but isn't that just a download manager in disguise, or are you
saying the EXE is an offline installer? Does it extract the MSI to a
temp location first?


A possible solution to this on Windows (outside of SM) is to visit
http://www.adobe.com/licensing/distribution/strategies/sms.html
click the download link (of interest) ending in "SCUP.cab"
You should now be able to extract the XML file from the CAB file using 7-Zip
Inside the XML file are the links to the MSI files, see the "OriginUri"
attributes.

There is only one way to download the full exe since the distribution 
page is now blocked for most.


https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/installation-problems-flash-player-windows.html

Look under the section "Still Having Problems?"   There you can download 
the full, off line installer to disk.

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Desiree]

On 10/1/2016 11:25 AM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Gerry Hickman wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

I go to the Adobe download page, click download, save to hdd, and
install from there.
It works great and I have a copy that I can send to the other computers
via the LAN.



I use my firewall to block flash from phoning home. There is no online
install process. It's quick and easy.
https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/


That URL is the usual "Install Now" option. There is a link on that page, where 
you can
choose a different operating system, and download an EXE, but isn't that just a 
download
manager in disguise, or are you saying the EXE is an offline installer? Does it 
extract
the MSI to a temp location first?


My SM gives me the option to run or save.
I normally choose save then use the firewall to block internet access
(or pull the plug) then run from hdd.  Not just for Flash but for everything.
19,672 kb is more then an installer stub, it's the whole thing.

No, that download is a 1.1MB STUB.  Plus, it is NOT downloading to disk 
but just installing the new version.

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

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Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

No, as previously noted, it's not "offering," it's "detecting." It's
saying "this is what you have."


But it also has an "Update Now" button, and that's the part that doesn't 
work. It's supposed to take you to the latest version of the plugin so 
that you can install it (inside SM). This is more important, for 
example, if you have SM users who don't have admin rights.


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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

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Gerry Hickman wrote:


Chris, as explained in my original post, I'm talking about "Tools :
Add-ons Manager : Plugins". When I try to update from within
SeaMonkey, it offers ...


No, as previously noted, it's not "offering," it's "detecting." It's 
saying "this is what you have."



an out-of-date version and says it's "blocked".


Yes. What you have is outdated and vulnerable so it's blocked.


I think it's pointing to the site https://addons.mozilla.org/


If you click the link at the top, "Check to see if your plugins are up 
to date," you'll be taken to 
. Below "Common plugins you 
should check often," you'll see "Adobe Flash Player" listed with your 
current version and a diagnosis (mine says "up to date," but yours will 
probably say "outdated"). You'll also see, below that, "All plugins" -- 
click that to diagnose all your plugins.


At any rate, if your version of Flash is outdated, you'll see a big 
orange button, "Update now." That will take you to the Adobe page where 
you can download and/or install the latest version. My personal 
preference is to save the installer, close SM, and then run it from my 
download directory; YMMV. By the same token, my personal preference is 
to reject the bundled software (McAfee, Chrome, whatever); YMMV. When 
you're done, Adobe will launch SM and send you to a thank-you page. You 
should re-run the detection routine (CTRL-SHIFT-A) to confirm that you 
now have the latest version -- if all is well, it will now say "up to 
date" and "Always activate."


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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Gerry Hickman]

Chris Ilias wrote:


Per exemple https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/
Where we can see:

Adobe Flash Player
Shockwave Flash 22.0 r0

v. 22.0.0.209 vulnerable

with an "UPDATE NOW" button to install this vulnerable version


Gerry Hickman, is the above link what you were referring to?


Chris, as explained in my original post, I'm talking about "Tools : 
Add-ons Manager : Plugins". When I try to update from within SeaMonkey, 
it offers an out-of-date version and says it's "blocked". I think it's 
pointing to the site https://addons.mozilla.org/


Here's another example of a blocked message
https://blocklist.addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/blocked/p1246


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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Gerry Hickman]

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:


My SM gives me the option to run or save.
I normally choose save then use the firewall to block internet access
(or pull the plug) then run from hdd.  Not just for Flash but for
everything.
19,672 kb is more then an installer stub, it's the whole thing.


You are right about the file size, I'm not sure how you got it from 
their site. When I try it, I just get the installer stub. Can you give 
an exact URL where you obtain the 19,672kb file.



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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Chris Ilias]

On 2016-10-01 4:55 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote on 01/10/2016 21:25:

On 2016-10-01 3:20 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

It's blocked because that version is out of date.  Current version is
23.0.0.162.


I understand that, but why would the Mozilla plugin site be offering an
out-of-date plugin, and then saying it's blocked?


What Mozilla plugin site are you referring to?


Per exemple https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/
Where we can see:

Adobe Flash Player
Shockwave Flash 22.0 r0

v. 22.0.0.209 vulnerable

with an "UPDATE NOW" button to install this vulnerable version


Gerry Hickman, is the above link what you were referring to?

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Ray_Net wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote on 01/10/2016 21:25:

On 2016-10-01 3:20 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

It's blocked because that version is out of date.  Current version is
23.0.0.162.


I understand that, but why would the Mozilla plugin site be offering an
out-of-date plugin, and then saying it's blocked?


What Mozilla plugin site are you referring to?


Per exemple https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/
Where we can see:

Adobe Flash Player
Shockwave Flash 22.0 r0

v. 22.0.0.209 vulnerable


That's what you have now, not what they're offering.


with an "UPDATE NOW" button to install this vulnerable version


Does the "update now" button /really/ install the same vulnerable 
version, or does it offer the latest version as expected? That would be 
a shocking change from the policy that has existed for years.


Please don't assume stupidity until you have real evidence for it.

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Gerry Hickman]

Gerry Hickman wrote:

That URL is the usual "Install Now" option. There is a link on that
page, where you can choose a different operating system, and download an
EXE, but isn't that just a download manager in disguise, or are you
saying the EXE is an offline installer? Does it extract the MSI to a
temp location first?


A possible solution to this on Windows (outside of SM) is to visit
http://www.adobe.com/licensing/distribution/strategies/sms.html
click the download link (of interest) ending in "SCUP.cab"
You should now be able to extract the XML file from the CAB file using 7-Zip
Inside the XML file are the links to the MSI files, see the "OriginUri" 
attributes.


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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[WaltS48]

Ray_Net wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote on 01/10/2016 21:25:

On 2016-10-01 3:20 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

It's blocked because that version is out of date.  Current version is
23.0.0.162.


I understand that, but why would the Mozilla plugin site be offering an
out-of-date plugin, and then saying it's blocked?


What Mozilla plugin site are you referring to?


Per exemple https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/
Where we can see:

Adobe Flash Player
Shockwave Flash 22.0 r0

v. 22.0.0.209 vulnerable

with an "UPDATE NOW" button to install this vulnerable version


That link is being removed from future Firefox versions, and hopefully 
SeaMonkey.


The best way to check is probably going to Adobe 
 remove the check marks for the 
Optional offers and click the Install Now button.


I've also had an update notification using Windows 10 when I checked 
Settings > Update & Security > Windows Update when 23.0.0.162 was available.

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Paul in Houston, TX]

Gerry Hickman wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

I go to the Adobe download page, click download, save to hdd, and
install from there.
It works great and I have a copy that I can send to the other computers
via the LAN.



I use my firewall to block flash from phoning home. There is no online
install process. It's quick and easy.
https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/


That URL is the usual "Install Now" option. There is a link on that page, where 
you can
choose a different operating system, and download an EXE, but isn't that just a 
download
manager in disguise, or are you saying the EXE is an offline installer? Does it 
extract
the MSI to a temp location first?


My SM gives me the option to run or save.
I normally choose save then use the firewall to block internet access
(or pull the plug) then run from hdd.  Not just for Flash but for everything.
19,672 kb is more then an installer stub, it's the whole thing.

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Ray_Net]

Chris Ilias wrote on 01/10/2016 21:25:

On 2016-10-01 3:20 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

It's blocked because that version is out of date.  Current version is
23.0.0.162.


I understand that, but why would the Mozilla plugin site be offering an
out-of-date plugin, and then saying it's blocked?


What Mozilla plugin site are you referring to?


Per exemple https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/
Where we can see:

Adobe Flash Player
Shockwave Flash 22.0 r0

v. 22.0.0.209 vulnerable

with an "UPDATE NOW" button to install this vulnerable version
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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Chris Ilias]

On 2016-10-01 3:20 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

It's blocked because that version is out of date.  Current version is
23.0.0.162.


I understand that, but why would the Mozilla plugin site be offering an
out-of-date plugin, and then saying it's blocked?


What Mozilla plugin site are you referring to?

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Gerry Hickman]

Ed Mullen wrote:

It's blocked because that version is out of date.  Current version is
23.0.0.162.


I understand that, but why would the Mozilla plugin site be offering an 
out-of-date plugin, and then saying it's blocked?



You can try Check for updates in the add-ons manager.


Unfortunately, that just gives the same error...

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Gerry Hickman]

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

I go to the Adobe download page, click download, save to hdd, and
install from there.
It works great and I have a copy that I can send to the other computers
via the LAN.



I use my firewall to block flash from phoning home. There is no online
install process. It's quick and easy.
https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/


That URL is the usual "Install Now" option. There is a link on that 
page, where you can choose a different operating system, and download an 
EXE, but isn't that just a download manager in disguise, or are you 
saying the EXE is an offline installer? Does it extract the MSI to a 
temp location first?



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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Paul in Houston, TX]

Gerry Hickman wrote:

Hi,

When I go to "Tools: Addons Manager : Plugins" there's an entry for "Shockwave 
Flash", but
it doesn't work. I'm not sure if it ever worked.

"Flash Player Plugin 22.0.0.192 to 22.0.0.211 (click-to-play) has been blocked 
for your
protection."

I know I can install it via the operating system, but I don't like the official 
web based
Adobe installation process.


I go to the Adobe download page, click download, save to hdd, and install from 
there.
It works great and I have a copy that I can send to the other computers via the 
LAN.
I use my firewall to block flash from phoning home. There is no online install process. 
It's quick and easy.

https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Ed Mullen]

On 10/1/2016 at 10:27 AM, Gerry Hickman's prodigious digits fired off:

Hi,

When I go to "Tools: Addons Manager : Plugins" there's an entry for
"Shockwave Flash", but it doesn't work. I'm not sure if it ever worked.

"Flash Player Plugin 22.0.0.192 to 22.0.0.211 (click-to-play) has been
blocked for your protection."

I know I can install it via the operating system, but I don't like the
official web based Adobe installation process.



It's blocked because that version is out of date.  Current version is 
23.0.0.162.  You can try Check for updates in the add-ons manager.  If 
that doesn't work your only alternative is to go to the Adobe site and 
use their process.


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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Ed Mullen]

On 10/1/2016 at 11:01 AM, Ed Mullen's prodigious digits fired off:

On 10/1/2016 at 10:27 AM, Gerry Hickman's prodigious digits fired off:

Hi,

When I go to "Tools: Addons Manager : Plugins" there's an entry for
"Shockwave Flash", but it doesn't work. I'm not sure if it ever worked.

"Flash Player Plugin 22.0.0.192 to 22.0.0.211 (click-to-play) has been
blocked for your protection."

I know I can install it via the operating system, but I don't like the
official web based Adobe installation process.



It's blocked because that version is out of date.  Current version is
23.0.0.162.  You can try Check for updates in the add-ons manager.  If
that doesn't work your only alternative is to go to the Adobe site and
use their process.



Or go to Control Panel in Windows and use the Java applet to update.

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Gerry Hickman]

Mason83 wrote:

Adobe used to host an offline installer anyone could download.
It seems like they now require some personal info first:

https://www.adobe.com/products/players/flash-player-distribution.html


Yes, I'd been using the old URL to get to the MSI files, but they've 
taken it down now. I did apply for distribution rights, but I'd rather 
be able to do it through SM.


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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Mason83]

On 01/10/2016 16:27, Gerry Hickman wrote:

> When I go to "Tools: Addons Manager : Plugins" there's an entry for 
> "Shockwave Flash", but it doesn't work. I'm not sure if it ever worked.
> 
> "Flash Player Plugin 22.0.0.192 to 22.0.0.211 (click-to-play) has been 
> blocked for your protection."
> 
> I know I can install it via the operating system, but I don't like the 
> official web based Adobe installation process.

Adobe used to host an offline installer anyone could download.
It seems like they now require some personal info first:

https://www.adobe.com/products/players/flash-player-distribution.html

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Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Gerry Hickman]

Hi,

When I go to "Tools: Addons Manager : Plugins" there's an entry for 
"Shockwave Flash", but it doesn't work. I'm not sure if it ever worked.


"Flash Player Plugin 22.0.0.192 to 22.0.0.211 (click-to-play) has been 
blocked for your protection."


I know I can install it via the operating system, but I don't like the 
official web based Adobe installation process.


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