Turstedparts challenge start button does not show up for me in my browser (was: help with site)

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Hawker schrieb:


the "button" to click below doesn't show up at all for me.


Hi,

NOT reproducible with installation of unofficial (by wg9s) De SeaMonkey 
2.53.8 beta 1 pre Mozilla/5.0  (NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 Build 20210227220003 (Newly created User 
Profile, Default Classic Theme) on German WIN7 64bit


General hint: If a web page does not work for you with your SM Browser 
you always should try it with a newly created user profile.


If it does work now it's something with you settings.
If not it's something with your preferences or a SM bug or bad browser 
sniffing or something else. It saves much time and work if you always do 
that test for such problems before you post here.


And please keep in mind that this mailing list is some kind of Knowledge 
Base. If everybody uses Summary "please help" it will become difficult 
to find postings related to a particular problem. So please (everybody) 
contribute a MEANINGFUL summary.


What's your test result with newly created user profile?

CU

Rainer


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Re: help with site

[Daniel]

Hawker wrote on 10/3/21 7:31 am:


Any idea what is going on here?
This site comes up with a challenge question, but the "button" to click 
below doesn't show up at all for me.  In firefox I don't even get the 
challenge. Any idea what it is looking for that is an issue and why the 
button is missing? It used to work just fine.


https://www.trustedparts.com/en/search/MMBF5457


Hawker, some time ago, I was trying to buy stuff from amazon.ca but, 
when I wanted to Check-out, there was no icon to click on  because 
amazon.ca got its Check-out Icon from amazon.con and I had set, 
somewhere in SeaMonkey prefs, to only display stuff received from the 
original site.


Check out Edit -> Preferences -> Privacy & Security -> Images -> Image 
Acceptance Policy

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Re: help with site

[Dirk Fieldhouse]

On 09/03/2021 20:31, Hawker wrote:


Any idea what is going on here?
This site comes up with a challenge question, but the "button" to click 
below doesn't show up at all for me.  In firefox I don't even get the 
challenge. Any idea what it is looking for that is an issue and why the 
button is missing? It used to work just fine.


https://www.trustedparts.com/en/search/MMBF5457


You might think that the site is completely broken. It loads endless 
JavaScript from different domains and displays JS errors in the browser 
console.


Obviously masquerading as FF won't help, as even FF doesn't work.

However starting from https://www.trustedparts.com and pasting MMBF5457 
into the search field successfully returns the page for the quoted URL. 
The endless JS domains mentioned are associated with the captcha 
challenge; only www.trustedparts.com and two other subdomains (dd, cdn) 
of trustedparts.com have to be enabled for JS to get a usable search 
result page.


I guess the site throws a tantrum if you don't give it the right site 
cookies or the right Referer [sic].


/df

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Re: help with site

[Richard Owlett]

On 03/09/2021 03:37 PM, Hawker wrote:

On 3/9/2021 4:26 PM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Hawker wrote:


Any idea what is going on here?
This site comes up with a challenge question, but the "button" to 
click below doesn't show up at all for me.  In firefox I don't even 
get the challenge. Any idea what it is looking for that is an issue 
and why the button is missing? It used to work just fine.


https://www.trustedparts.com/en/search/MMBF5457


Try changing your UA String from:
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101
  Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.6
TO:
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:85.0) Gecko/20200101
  Firefox/85.0



Alas that didn't work.


Is JavaScript, cookies etc enabled?
Are any ad blockers disabled?
YMMV



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Re: help with site

[stango]

Hawker wrote:

On 3/9/2021 4:26 PM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Hawker wrote:


Any idea what is going on here?
This site comes up with a challenge question, but the 
"button" to click below doesn't show up at all for me.  
In firefox I don't even get the challenge. Any idea what 
it is looking for that is an issue and why the button is 
missing? It used to work just fine.


https://www.trustedparts.com/en/search/MMBF5457


Try changing your UA String from:
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) 
Gecko/20100101

 Â Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.6
TO:
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:85.0) 
Gecko/20200101

 Â Firefox/85.0



Alas that didn't work.

Then try:
Menu 'Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced->HTTP Networking -> 
[x] Identify As Firefox




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Re: help with site

[Hawker]

On 3/9/2021 4:26 PM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Hawker wrote:


Any idea what is going on here?
This site comes up with a challenge question, but the "button" to 
click below doesn't show up at all for me.  In firefox I don't even 
get the challenge. Any idea what it is looking for that is an issue 
and why the button is missing? It used to work just fine.


https://www.trustedparts.com/en/search/MMBF5457


Try changing your UA String from:
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101
  Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.6
TO:
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:85.0) Gecko/20200101
  Firefox/85.0



Alas that didn't work.
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Re: help with site

[Paul in Houston, TX]

Hawker wrote:


Any idea what is going on here?
This site comes up with a challenge question, but the "button" to click 
below doesn't show up at all for me.  In firefox I don't even get the 
challenge. Any idea what it is looking for that is an issue and why the 
button is missing? It used to work just fine.


https://www.trustedparts.com/en/search/MMBF5457


Try changing your UA String from:
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101
 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.6
TO:
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:85.0) Gecko/20200101
 Firefox/85.0

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help with site

[Hawker]

Any idea what is going on here?
This site comes up with a challenge question, but the "button" to click 
below doesn't show up at all for me.  In firefox I don't even get the 
challenge. Any idea what it is looking for that is an issue and why the 
button is missing? It used to work just fine.


https://www.trustedparts.com/en/search/MMBF5457
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Re: Help! In V.2.53.6 ebay pictures in emails are no longer displayed

[Dirk Fieldhouse]

On 05/02/2021 06:39, Daniel wrote:

Dirk Fieldhouse wrote on 4/2/21 11:57 pm:
...>


Indeed. In the tests where I was able to enable and disable 
i.ebayimg.com images in eBay emails, [Preferences>Privacy & Security>Images] 
remained at "Load all images".



O.K., just looking a bit further, how about ...

Edit -> Preferences -> Privacy & Security -> Cookies.

Might you have selected "Allow cookies for the originating website only 
(no third-party cookies)" or "Block cookies" rather than either of the 
other two??


And in the same tests, "Allow cookies for the originating website ..." 
and "Accept for current session" were set.


I don't think cookies are the problem. Nor is it likely that 
i.ebayimg.com is being blocked by Mozilla's attack/phishing blocklists.


As previously suggested, OP needs to test with a new profile, for which 
instructions ought to be all over the Web but this 
 is the best SM-oriented page 
I could see.


/df

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Re: Help! In V.2.53.6 ebay pictures in emails are no longer displayed

[Daniel]

Dirk Fieldhouse wrote on 4/2/21 11:57 pm:

On 04/02/2021 08:30, Daniel wrote:
 >...>
 >
 > Edit -> Preferences -> Privacy & Security -> Images
 >
 > Might not help, but you never know!!

Indeed. In the tests where I was able to enable and disable 
i.ebayimg.com images in eBay emails, this setting remained at "Load all 
images".


/df


O.K., just looking a bit further, how about ...

Edit -> Preferences -> Privacy & Security -> Cookies.

Might you have selected "Allow cookies for the originating website only 
(no third-party cookies)" or "Block cookies" rather than either of the 
other two??

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Re: Help! In V.2.53.6 ebay pictures in emails are no longer displayed

[Paul in Houston, TX]

EE wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Note that that make break other sites, so you can make it specific
to ebay if you want to:
general.useragent.override.www.ebay.com
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/66.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.2

Etc.


Why not make the version in rv match the Firefox version?  That is the 
way the default works anyhow.  Also, since it is an override, why not 
remove the SeaMonkey version from end of the user-agent?


Agreed.  My own overrides are like you mentioned.
What I was thinking was to have the OP make various changes to see if 
one worked.  In retrospect, I think it more likely that it may be some 
other setting on his comp.

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Re: Help! In V.2.53.6 ebay pictures in emails are no longer displayed

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Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Note that that make break other sites, so you can make it specific
to ebay if you want to:
general.useragent.override.www.ebay.com
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/66.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.2

Etc.


Why not make the version in rv match the Firefox version?  That is the 
way the default works anyhow.  Also, since it is an override, why not 
remove the SeaMonkey version from end of the user-agent?


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Re: Help! In V.2.53.6 ebay pictures in emails are no longer displayed

[Dirk Fieldhouse]

On 04/02/2021 08:30, Daniel wrote:
>...>
>
> Edit -> Preferences -> Privacy & Security -> Images
>
> Might not help, but you never know!!

Indeed. In the tests where I was able to enable and disable 
i.ebayimg.com images in eBay emails, this setting remained at "Load all 
images".


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Re: Help! In V.2.53.6 ebay pictures in emails are no longer displayed

[Daniel]

Dr.J.Elz-Fianda wrote on 3/2/21 9:41 pm:

Paul in Houston, TX schrieb:


This is your current UA string:
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.53.6


I suggest changing your UA until you find one that works.
Try:
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:80.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/88.0


Note that that make break other sites, so you can make it specific
to ebay if you want to:
general.useragent.override.www.ebay.com
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/66.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.2

Etc.


Thanks Paul, but that didn't work.
In 20 years I had not to go such deep into SeaMonkey configuration!
I changed the entries for "useragent" in about:config as follows:
devtools.inspector.showUserAgentStyles;    false
dom.push.userAgentID;
general.useragent.compatMode.firefox;    false
general.useragent.compatMode.strict-firefox;    false
general.useragent.locale;    de
general.useragent.override.www.ebay.com;    Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; 
Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/66.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.2
general.useragent.override.www.ebay.de;    Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 
6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/66.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.2

general.useragent.site_specific_overrides;    true
mailnews.headers.showUserAgent;    false
services.sync.prefs.sync.mailnews.headers.showUserAgent;    true





What is so special in ebay that prevents the display in the emails ?


If I can through my tuppence-worth into the ring 

A while ago, I was trying to buy something from amazon.ca (sure that was 
in the browser screen rather than in an e-mail, but ..!!) but 
couldn't get to the checkout because there was no Cash-register 
icon-thingee, 'cause I had set my SeaMonkey set to not display images 
from "third-party" web-sites and amazon.ca used the "check-out" icon 
from amazon.com, i.e. a "third-party" web-site.


Edit -> Preferences -> Privacy & Security -> Images

Might not help, but you never know!!
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Re: Help! In V.2.53.6 ebay pictures in emails are no longer displayed

[Paul in Houston, TX]

Dr.J.Elz-Fianda wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX schrieb:


This is your current UA string:
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.53.6


I suggest changing your UA until you find one that works.
Try:
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:80.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/88.0


Note that that make break other sites, so you can make it specific
to ebay if you want to:
general.useragent.override.www.ebay.com
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/66.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.2

Etc.


Thanks Paul, but that didn't work.
In 20 years I had not to go such deep into SeaMonkey configuration!
I changed the entries for "useragent" in about:config as follows:
devtools.inspector.showUserAgentStyles;    false
dom.push.userAgentID;
general.useragent.compatMode.firefox;    false
general.useragent.compatMode.strict-firefox;    false
general.useragent.locale;    de
general.useragent.override.www.ebay.com;    Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; 
Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/66.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.2
general.useragent.override.www.ebay.de;    Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 
6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/66.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.2

general.useragent.site_specific_overrides;    true
mailnews.headers.showUserAgent;    false
services.sync.prefs.sync.mailnews.headers.showUserAgent;    true

There was only one graphic which was successfully displayed. See the 
part of the HTML source here:


href=3D"https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11001.m43.l2648/7?euid=3Dc7cc04c=
68c1a4609880cfe8368d91f74&bu=3D43205459488&segname=3D11001&crd=3D2021020222= 

4348&osub=3D-1~1&ch=3Dosgood&loc=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.de%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F= 

254849557957&sojTags=3Dbu=3Dbu,ch=3Dch,segname=3Dsegname,crd=3Dcrd,url=3Dlo= 

c,osub=3Dosub" aria-label=3D"Artikel ansehen" style=3D"border: none; 
text-d=
ecoration: none;">style=3D"max-=
height: 300px !important; border-style: none; color: #0654BA; font-size: 
16=
px; line-height: 18px; font-weight: 200; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, 
san=
s-serif;" 
src=3D"https://svcs.ebay.com/imageser/v1/image/render?item-id=3D2=
54849557957&ENCRYPTED_USER_ID=3D43205459488&user-id=3D43205459488&campaign-= 

id=3D11001&USER_SITE_ID=3D77&meta.mail.osubid=3D11001&RUN_DT=3D202102021043= 

48&meta.mail.sl.selector=3D0&TrackingCode=3D0&contract-id=3D0529d582-8f21-4= 

7ae-8afd-a2ba220e9ee2&run-date=3D20210202104348&placement-id=3D1&site-id=3D= 

77&tag=3D7722b8c2-c37d-4d08-a21d-c928bbb730af&imgWidth=3D1168&imgHeight=3D0= 


" alt=3D"Digitalkamera HP PhotoSmart 850 4.1 MP 8 fach optischer Zoom
Aktuelles Gebot: EUR 6,17
Ihr H=C3=B6chstgebot: EUR 5,67
Endet 05. Feb. 2021 21:26 MEZ"/>


Extract from a display that didn't work:
href=3D"https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11021.m43.l1120/7?euid=3Da92cb43=
b35284ad08e57af75d4286bd7&bu=3D43205459488&ut=3DRU&segname=3D11021&crd=3D20= 

210203030743&osub=3D-1~1&ch=3Dosgood&loc=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.de%2Fulk%= 

2Fitm%2F224337180166&sojTags=3Dbu=3Dbu,ut=3Dut,ch=3Dch,segname=3Dsegname,cr= 


d=3Dcrd,url=3Dloc,osub=3Dosub" aria-hidden=3D"true" tabindex=3D"-1" style=
=3D"color: initial; display: block;">
max-widt=
h: 100%; max-height: 100%; display: block;" 
src=3D"https://i.ebayimg.com/im=
ages/g/XzEAAOSwnQtgECXn/s-l300/p.jpg" alt=3D"Voigtl=C3=A4nder 
Gegenlichtble=

nde 32 mm 31=E2=80=A6" />


What is so special in ebay that prevents the display in the emails ?


I agree with Dirk.
Could an anti-virus shield be blocking the images?
Try turning them off for testing if you use them.
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Re: Help! In V.2.53.6 ebay pictures in emails are no longer displayed

[Dirk Fieldhouse]

On 03/02/2021 10:41, Dr.J.Elz-Fianda wrote:

...>
What is so special in ebay that prevents the display in the emails ?


Whatever's happening isn't an eBay problem, as I tested the procedure 
that I posted earlier using a similar email from eBay. Fortunately the 
sort of JS snafu that occurs with web pages isn't involved in email 
display and so UA spoofing was always a long shot.


As you can see from the message source i.ebayimg.com is the image host 
for the missing item pictures, such as the lens hood/gegenlichtblende in 
your example.


I really think that there is some issue with your display permissions. 
If it can't be fixed by manipulating the UI as I described, some obscure 
about:config setting may be the problem. If so, or perhaps anyway, you 
need to test this with a clean profile.


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Re: Help! In V.2.53.6 ebay pictures in emails are no longer displayed

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Paul in Houston, TX schrieb:
 
This is your current UA string:

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.53.6

I suggest changing your UA until you find one that works.
Try:
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:80.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/88.0

Note that that make break other sites, so you can make it specific
to ebay if you want to:
general.useragent.override.www.ebay.com
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/66.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.2
Etc.


Thanks Paul, but that didn't work.
In 20 years I had not to go such deep into SeaMonkey configuration!
I changed the entries for "useragent" in about:config as follows:
devtools.inspector.showUserAgentStyles; false
dom.push.userAgentID;
general.useragent.compatMode.firefox;   false
general.useragent.compatMode.strict-firefox;false
general.useragent.locale;   de
general.useragent.override.www.ebay.com;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; 
Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/66.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.2
general.useragent.override.www.ebay.de; Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; 
Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/66.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.2
general.useragent.site_specific_overrides;  true
mailnews.headers.showUserAgent; false
services.sync.prefs.sync.mailnews.headers.showUserAgent;true

There was only one graphic which was successfully displayed. See the part of 
the HTML source here:

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11001.m43.l2648/7?euid=3Dc7cc04c=
68c1a4609880cfe8368d91f74&bu=3D43205459488&segname=3D11001&crd=3D2021020222=
4348&osub=3D-1~1&ch=3Dosgood&loc=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.de%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F=
254849557957&sojTags=3Dbu=3Dbu,ch=3Dch,segname=3Dsegname,crd=3Dcrd,url=3Dlo=
c,osub=3Dosub" aria-label=3D"Artikel ansehen" style=3D"border: none; text-d=
ecoration: none;">https://svcs.ebay.com/imageser/v1/image/render?item-id=3D2=
54849557957&ENCRYPTED_USER_ID=3D43205459488&user-id=3D43205459488&campaign-=
id=3D11001&USER_SITE_ID=3D77&meta.mail.osubid=3D11001&RUN_DT=3D202102021043=
48&meta.mail.sl.selector=3D0&TrackingCode=3D0&contract-id=3D0529d582-8f21-4=
7ae-8afd-a2ba220e9ee2&run-date=3D20210202104348&placement-id=3D1&site-id=3D=
77&tag=3D7722b8c2-c37d-4d08-a21d-c928bbb730af&imgWidth=3D1168&imgHeight=3D0=
" alt=3D"Digitalkamera HP PhotoSmart 850 4.1 MP 8 fach optischer Zoom
Aktuelles Gebot: EUR 6,17
Ihr H=C3=B6chstgebot: EUR 5,67
Endet 05. Feb. 2021 21:26 MEZ"/>


Extract from a display that didn't work:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11021.m43.l1120/7?euid=3Da92cb43=
b35284ad08e57af75d4286bd7&bu=3D43205459488&ut=3DRU&segname=3D11021&crd=3D20=
210203030743&osub=3D-1~1&ch=3Dosgood&loc=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.de%2Fulk%=
2Fitm%2F224337180166&sojTags=3Dbu=3Dbu,ut=3Dut,ch=3Dch,segname=3Dsegname,cr=
d=3Dcrd,url=3Dloc,osub=3Dosub" aria-hidden=3D"true" tabindex=3D"-1" style=
=3D"color: initial; display: block;">
https://i.ebayimg.com/im=
ages/g/XzEAAOSwnQtgECXn/s-l300/p.jpg" alt=3D"Voigtl=C3=A4nder Gegenlichtble=
nde 32 mm 31=E2=80=A6" />


What is so special in ebay that prevents the display in the emails ?

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Re: Help! In V.2.53.6 ebay pictures in emails are no longer displayed

[Paul in Houston, TX]

Dr.J.Elz-Fianda wrote:

Sorry my last post was nonsense.
Thanks for your hints but it doesn't work..
I tried it and removed the "Block images" entry in the display options.
Also I added the entries for allowing loading images in the permissions 
section of the ebay data sets for ebay.de, ebay.com etc.


The  display content - the frame is still visible - is only missing on 
ebay pages !

On other pages there is no problem.
What does ebay do that blocks the graphics ?
Thanks for help
Jochen


This is your current UA string:
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.53.6


I suggest changing your UA until you find one that works.
Try:
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:80.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/88.0


Note that that make break other sites, so you can make it specific
to ebay if you want to:
general.useragent.override.www.ebay.com
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/66.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.2

Etc.

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Re: Help! In V.2.53.6 ebay pictures in emails are no longer displayed

[Dr.J.Elz-Fianda via support-seamonkey]

Sorry my last post was nonsense.
Thanks for your hints but it doesn't work..
I tried it and removed the "Block images" entry in the display options.
Also I added the entries for allowing loading images in the permissions section 
of the ebay data sets for ebay.de, ebay.com etc.

The  display content - the frame is still visible - is only missing on ebay 
pages !
On other pages there is no problem.
What does ebay do that blocks the graphics ?
Thanks for help
Jochen

Dr.J.Elz-Fianda schrieb:

Thanks, Dirk.
The problem was that the display of the folder list on the left was switched 
off after the updsdate.
I could easily switch it on again.
Problem solved.
Jochen

Dirk Fieldhouse schrieb:

On 02/02/2021 01:19, Dr.J.Elz-Fianda wrote:

yesterday I upgraded from V2.53.5.1 to 2.53.6.
After that i get no display of article pictures from ebay.
 From other senders I receive still the pictures to display in-line as I have 
chosen.
In the HTML source code for such an image i can find, e.g.:
https://i.ebayimg.com/im=
ages/g/BgMAAOSw4QhgDUDt/s-l300/p.jpg" alt=3D"Praktica MTL5 Camera SLR Penta=
con 35m=E2=80=A6" />
Is this an error otherwise known ?
Is there a hidden option in SeaMonkey to switch this display on or off?


You probably have 'Block images and other content from remote sources'set in 
Preferences>Mail & Newsgroups>Message Display.

When this setting blocks content in HTML mail, you should see a warning ribbon 'To protect your privacy ...' above the message headers containing an 'Options' button. In the options that the button offers, select to 'Allow remote content from 
https://i.ebayimg.com'.


If you don't see this, or just to verify the setting, open Tools>Data Manager and select 'Permissions only' in the pull-down at the top left. You should see an entry for Domain 'ebayimg.com' in the domain list; if you select this, it should show 
'https://i.ebayimg.com Load Images' with Allow selected and 'Use Default' unchecked. Set these values if not (eg, you may have Block selected).


You can add this permission manually if necessary. Open Tools>Data Manager, select the Permissions tab, Add at the bottom, then enter 'https://i.ebayimg.com' (without the quotes) in the field 'Enter a host name', bottom right, with type 'Load Images' 
and 'Add'; then uncheck 'Use Default' under the line that appears and select 'Allow' (even though it's already selected). ebayimg.com should bein the Domain list on the left.


Your UI may vary depending on language and any installed theme.

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Re: Help! In V.2.53.6 ebay pictures in emails are nc longer displayed

[Dr.J.Elz-Fianda via support-seamonkey]

Thanks, Dirk.
The problem was that the display of the folder list on the left was switched 
off after the updsdate.
I could easily switch it on again.
Problem solved.
Jochen

Dirk Fieldhouse schrieb:

On 02/02/2021 01:19, Dr.J.Elz-Fianda wrote:

yesterday I upgraded from V2.53.5.1 to 2.53.6.
After that i get no display of article pictures from ebay.
 From other senders I receive still the pictures to display in-line as I have 
chosen.
In the HTML source code for such an image i can find, e.g.:
https://i.ebayimg.com/im=
ages/g/BgMAAOSw4QhgDUDt/s-l300/p.jpg" alt=3D"Praktica MTL5 Camera SLR Penta=
con 35m=E2=80=A6" />
Is this an error otherwise known ?
Is there a hidden option in SeaMonkey to switch this display on or off?


You probably have 'Block images and other content from remote sources' set in 
Preferences>Mail & Newsgroups>Message Display.

When this setting blocks content in HTML mail, you should see a warning ribbon 'To protect your privacy ...' above the message headers containing an 'Options' button. In the options that the button offers, select to 'Allow remote content from 
https://i.ebayimg.com'.


If you don't see this, or just to verify the setting, open Tools>Data Manager and select 'Permissions only' in the pull-down at the top left. You should see an entry for Domain 'ebayimg.com' in the domain list; if you select this, it should show 
'https://i.ebayimg.com Load Images' with Allow selected and 'Use Default' unchecked. Set these values if not (eg, you may have Block selected).


You can add this permission manually if necessary. Open Tools>Data Manager, select the Permissions tab, Add at the bottom, then enter 'https://i.ebayimg.com' (without the quotes) in the field 'Enter a host name', bottom right, with type 'Load Images' and 
'Add'; then uncheck 'Use Default' under the line that appears and select 'Allow' (even though it's already selected). ebayimg.com should be in the Domain list on the left.


Your UI may vary depending on language and any installed theme.

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Re: Help! In V.2.53.6 ebay pictures in emails are nc longer displayed

[Dirk Fieldhouse]

On 02/02/2021 01:19, Dr.J.Elz-Fianda wrote:

yesterday I upgraded from V2.53.5.1 to 2.53.6.
After that i get no display of article pictures from ebay.
 From other senders I receive still the pictures to display in-line as I 
have chosen.

In the HTML source code for such an image i can find, e.g.:
max-widt=
h: 100%; max-height: 100%; display: block;" 
src=3D"https://i.ebayimg.com/im=
ages/g/BgMAAOSw4QhgDUDt/s-l300/p.jpg" alt=3D"Praktica MTL5 Camera SLR 
Penta=

con 35m=E2=80=A6" />
Is this an error otherwise known ?
Is there a hidden option in SeaMonkey to switch this display on or off?


You probably have 'Block images and other content from remote sources' 
set in Preferences>Mail & Newsgroups>Message Display.


When this setting blocks content in HTML mail, you should see a warning 
ribbon 'To protect your privacy ...' above the message headers 
containing an 'Options' button. In the options that the button offers, 
select to 'Allow remote content from https://i.ebayimg.com'.


If you don't see this, or just to verify the setting, open Tools>Data 
Manager and select 'Permissions only' in the pull-down at the top left. 
You should see an entry for Domain 'ebayimg.com' in the domain list; if 
you select this, it should show 'https://i.ebayimg.com Load Images' with 
Allow selected and 'Use Default' unchecked. Set these values if not (eg, 
you may have Block selected).


You can add this permission manually if necessary. Open Tools>Data 
Manager, select the Permissions tab, Add at the bottom, then enter 
'https://i.ebayimg.com' (without the quotes) in the field 'Enter a host 
name', bottom right, with type 'Load Images' and 'Add'; then uncheck 
'Use Default' under the line that appears and select 'Allow' (even 
though it's already selected). ebayimg.com should be in the Domain list 
on the left.


Your UI may vary depending on language and any installed theme.

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Help! In V.2.53.6 ebay pictures in emails are nc longer displayed

[Dr.J.Elz-Fianda via support-seamonkey]

Hello experts,
yesterday I upgraded from V2.53.5.1 to 2.53.6.
After that i get no display of article pictures from ebay.
From other senders I receive still the pictures to display in-line as I have 
chosen.
In the HTML source code for such an image i can find, e.g.:
https://i.ebayimg.com/im=
ages/g/BgMAAOSw4QhgDUDt/s-l300/p.jpg" alt=3D"Praktica MTL5 Camera SLR Penta=
con 35m=E2=80=A6" />
Is this an error otherwise known ?
Is there a hidden option in SeaMonkey to switch this display on or off?

thanks for help

Jochen.
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Re: Help: SeaMonkey 2.53.5.1 released! All my passwords gone after update frum 2.53.3 to 2.53.5.1

[Nuno Silva]

On 2021-01-30, Dr.J.Elz-Fianda wrote:

> Edmund Wong schrieb:
>> Greetings,
>>
>> The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
>> 2.53.5.1.
>>
>>
> Help !
> I upgraded from 2.53.3 to 2.53.5.1 – all my passwords are lost.

You are writing from 2.49.5. Any chance you have an old version you did
not uninstall?

[...]
> Worse of that, after the first start of the new version the other
> preferences seemed to be present.
> But after I closed SeaMonkey and opened it again - all my email
> accounts have disappeared up to one which I have not in use.
> So I think I will re-install the former version.
>
> Can you tell me where I can have an overview of the files to be saved
> if I want to restore SeaMonkey?
> On Windows 7 Pro I can find such files in the \user\AppData directories.
>
> Are there any othe relevant files in other directories ?
>
>
> I am using Windows 7 Pro SP 1 on an Intel processor.
>
> thanks for help
> Jochen
>

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.6 released! - Help ! All my passwords are lost !

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Sorry I forgot. logins.json actually hold the passwords and need to be copied 
too.

FRG

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
There was nothing special in these versions. Did you have a master password 
set? Check your profile if you find cert9.db and key4.db. cert8.db and key3.db 
are the old versions and should not be there. There might also be a pkcs11.txt 
and secmod.db which are old.


Close SeaMonkey and move them all out of the profile folder.

Copy cert9.db and key4.db from your Firefox profile and you should be good.
If 2.49 profile copy cert8.db and key3.db but they need to have no master 
password. Might work or not otherwise. If it works delete the old cert8.db and 
key3.db if they are still there after creation of cert9.db and key4.db.


FRG

Dr.J.Elz-Fianda wrote:

hello experts,
At first I upgraded from 2.53.3 to 2.53.5.1 – all my passwords are lost.
Then I triesd to re-install version 2.53.3 again.
Now I installed Version 2.53.6 but no chance, the passwords are lost.

Is there any chance to get them again ?
Whats abut importing my passwords from FireFox ot from an earlier Version 
2.49.* running on my notebook ?

?
thanks for help
Jochen from Germany

Edmund Wong schrieb:

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.6.

So please check out [1] or [2].

Thanks to all involved.

Edmund

PS: Yeah, somewhat a canned message.  Currently in the middle of a bunch
of things while doing release, so my apologies.

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.6
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.6/








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Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.6 released! - Help ! All my passwords are lost !

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

There was nothing special in these versions. Did you have a master password 
set? Check your profile if you find cert9.db and key4.db. cert8.db and key3.db 
are the old versions and should not be there. There might also be a pkcs11.txt 
and secmod.db which are old.


Close SeaMonkey and move them all out of the profile folder.

Copy cert9.db and key4.db from your Firefox profile and you should be good.
If 2.49 profile copy cert8.db and key3.db but they need to have no master 
password. Might work or not otherwise. If it works delete the old cert8.db and 
key3.db if they are still there after creation of cert9.db and key4.db.


FRG

Dr.J.Elz-Fianda wrote:

hello experts,
At first I upgraded from 2.53.3 to 2.53.5.1 – all my passwords are lost.
Then I triesd to re-install version 2.53.3 again.
Now I installed Version 2.53.6 but no chance, the passwords are lost.

Is there any chance to get them again ?
Whats abut importing my passwords from FireFox ot from an earlier Version 
2.49.* running on my notebook ?

?
thanks for help
Jochen from Germany

Edmund Wong schrieb:

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.6.

So please check out [1] or [2].

Thanks to all involved.

Edmund

PS: Yeah, somewhat a canned message.  Currently in the middle of a bunch
of things while doing release, so my apologies.

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.6
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.6/








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Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.6 released! - Help ! All my passwords are lost !

[Dr.J.Elz-Fianda via support-seamonkey]

hello experts,
At first I upgraded from 2.53.3 to 2.53.5.1 – all my passwords are lost.
Then I triesd to re-install version 2.53.3 again.
Now I installed Version 2.53.6 but no chance, the passwords are lost.

Is there any chance to get them again ?
Whats abut importing my passwords from FireFox ot from an earlier Version 
2.49.* running on my notebook ?
?
thanks for help
Jochen from Germany

Edmund Wong schrieb:

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.6.

So please check out [1] or [2].

Thanks to all involved.

Edmund

PS: Yeah, somewhat a canned message.  Currently in the middle of a bunch
of things while doing release, so my apologies.

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.6
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.6/







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Help: SeaMonkey 2.53.5.1 released! All my passwords gone after update frum 2.53.3 to 2.53.5.1

[Dr.J.Elz-Fianda via support-seamonkey]

Edmund Wong schrieb:

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.5.1.



Help !
I upgraded from 2.53.3 to 2.53.5.1 – all my passwords are lost.
Is there any chance to get them again ?
Whats abut importing my passwords from FireFox or Chrome ? Is this still 
posible ?
Where can I find the file for storing the passwords in the new version ?

Worse of that, after the first start of the new version the other preferences 
seemed to be present.
But after I closed SeaMonkey and opened it again  - all my email accounts have 
disappeared up to one which I have not in use.
So I think I will re-install the former version.

Can you tell me where I can have an overview of the files to be saved if I want 
to restore SeaMonkey?
On Windows 7 Pro I can find such files in the \user\AppData directories.

Are there any othe relevant files in other directories ?


I am using Windows 7 Pro SP 1 on an Intel processor.

thanks for help
Jochen

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Re: Help! All my passwords gone after update frum 2.53.3 to 2.53.6.1

[Dr.J.Elz-Fianda via support-seamonkey]

Hi Rob,
how did you get out of this mess ?
thanks for help
jochen

Rob Steinmetz schrieb:

It happened to me when upgrading to 2.53.6



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Re: Help! All my passwords gone after update frum 2.53.3 to 2.53.6.1

[Rob Steinmetz]

It happened to me when upgrading to 2.53.6

Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

Dr.J.Elz-Fianda schrieb:

I upgraded from 2.53.3 to 2.53.5.1 – all my passwords are lost.



Hi Jochen,

I cna't remember to have heard about such a problem for updates within 
2.53. series.


Do you know whether also other preferences from your profile have gone 
lost?


DU

Rainer



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Re: Help! All my passwords gone after update frum 2.53.3 to 2.53.6.1 - Its gone worse

[Dr.J.Elz-Fianda via support-seamonkey]

Hi Rainer,
after the first start of the new version the other preferences seemed to be 
present.
But after I closed SeaMonkey and opened it again  - all my email accounts have 
disappeared up to one which I have not in use.
So I think I will re-install the former version.
Can you tell me where I can have an overview of the files to be saved if I want 
to restore SeaMonkey?
On Windows 7 Pro I can find such files in the \user\AppData directories.
Are there any othe relevant files in other directories ?

Next question: is it possibe to import password data from FirefOX or from 
Google Chrome`?
thanks for help
-
Kann ich Ihnen auch auf Deutsch schreiben ?
Greetings
Jochen


Rainer Bielefeld schrieb:

Dr.J.Elz-Fianda schrieb:

I upgraded from 2.53.3 to 2.53.5.1 – all my passwords are lost.



Hi Jochen,

I cna't remember to have heard about such a problem for updates within 2.53. 
series.

Do you know whether also other preferences from your profile have gone lost?

DU

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Re: Help! All my passwords gone after update frum 2.53.3 to 2.53.6.1

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Dr.J.Elz-Fianda schrieb:

I upgraded from 2.53.3 to 2.53.5.1 – all my passwords are lost.



Hi Jochen,

I cna't remember to have heard about such a problem for updates within 
2.53. series.


Do you know whether also other preferences from your profile have gone lost?

DU

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Help! All my passwords gone after update frum 2.53.3 to 2.53.6.1

[Dr.J.Elz-Fianda via support-seamonkey]

Help !
I upgraded from 2.53.3 to 2.53.5.1 – all my passwords are lost.
Is there any chance to get them again ?
Whats abut importing my passwords from FireFox ?
thanks for help
Jochen

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Re: User-agent switching help needed

[notme]

no...@nonospam.org wrote:
I've been using the user-agent switching feature of the PrefBar 
extension for years, as there are several sites I visit regularly which 
no longer play well with SeaMonkey.


I know PrefBar hasn't been updated in several years, but it continued to 
work fine up through SeaMonkey v2.49.5.


Yesterday, I cautiously updated SeaMonkey on one of my computers to 
v2.53.5.1. PrefBar continued to work. However, today I upgraded a second 
computer to v2.53.5.1 and the PrefBar buttons have now disappeared. 
Clicking on "Customize" on the PrefBar gives the usual pop-up listing 
"available items" and "enabled items" but the lists are empty. I am 
unable to find where the PrefBar settings are stored.


Both of these computers are running Windows 10 Pro v20H2, and I was 
careful to follow the instructions at

https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5.1/
for upgrading from v2.49.5.

Searching for alternate add-ons to edit the user-agent string finds 
several, but all of them say they are only for Firefox, not SeaMonkey. I 
found additional add-ons for SeaMonkey at https://addons.thunderbird.net 
but that page hasn't been updated for any version of SeaMonkey beyond 
2.49.5.


I would like to continue to use SeaMonkey, but this problem may force me 
to switch to Firefox and start using Thunderbird for email and news.


Thanks in advance for any forthcoming assistance!

John


I have now updated all four of my computers from SeaMonkey v2.49.5 to 
v2.53.5.1. The update only damaged the PrefBar extension on one of them, 
and I was able to get it working again by re-installing it. I can't 
guarantee all of its functions still work, but the user-agent changer 
works perfectly on all four machines.


The extension can still be downloaded from here: 
http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org/archive.html


Thanks for the other suggestions. I have made note of those locations 
for future reference.


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Re: User-agent switching help needed

[Dirk Fieldhouse]

On 11/12/2020 05:58, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

no...@nonospam.org schrieb:

user-agent switching feature


User Agent Switcher from
https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2019/01/06/classic-add-ons-archive/ 


converted via
http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
for me still works with SeaMonkey 2.53.6:
https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2019/01/09/test-results-for-add-ons-from-ca-archive/ 



You can (should) install version 2.0.3 of the Classic Add-ons-Archive 
.


The User Agent Switcher needs converting only because the source 
 
sets the SM maximum version to 2.0.*, instead of 2.*.


Then download a set of user agent definitions according to the 
instructions here .


If you need an up-to-date Firefox definition, add this for Firefox ESR, 
modified to suit the platform you wish to advertise, eg "(Windows NT 
10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.5)":


Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:78.5) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/78.5

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Re: User-agent switching help needed

[Rainer Bielefeld]

no...@nonospam.org schrieb:

user-agent switching feature



Hi,

User Agent Switcher from
https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2019/01/06/classic-add-ons-archive/
converted via
http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
for me still works with SeaMonkey 2.53.6:
https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2019/01/09/test-results-for-add-ons-from-ca-archive/

CU

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User-agent switching help needed

[notme]

I've been using the user-agent switching feature of the PrefBar 
extension for years, as there are several sites I visit regularly which 
no longer play well with SeaMonkey.


I know PrefBar hasn't been updated in several years, but it continued to 
work fine up through SeaMonkey v2.49.5.


Yesterday, I cautiously updated SeaMonkey on one of my computers to 
v2.53.5.1. PrefBar continued to work. However, today I upgraded a second 
computer to v2.53.5.1 and the PrefBar buttons have now disappeared. 
Clicking on "Customize" on the PrefBar gives the usual pop-up listing 
"available items" and "enabled items" but the lists are empty. I am 
unable to find where the PrefBar settings are stored.


Both of these computers are running Windows 10 Pro v20H2, and I was 
careful to follow the instructions at

https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5.1/
for upgrading from v2.49.5.

Searching for alternate add-ons to edit the user-agent string finds 
several, but all of them say they are only for Firefox, not SeaMonkey. I 
found additional add-ons for SeaMonkey at https://addons.thunderbird.net 
but that page hasn't been updated for any version of SeaMonkey beyond 
2.49.5.


I would like to continue to use SeaMonkey, but this problem may force me 
to switch to Firefox and start using Thunderbird for email and news.


Thanks in advance for any forthcoming assistance!

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Re: Website seems to work in Google Chrome only- HELP!!!

[WaltS48]

On 9/14/20 11:58 AM, NFN Smith wrote:

Daniel wrote:


Hmm! Ray, I just clicked on your link, with, I believe, my stock 
standard SM 2.49.5 UA showing, and basically got a Blank Screen 
... with a scroll-bar down the right hand side. So I scrolled 
waaa down, and got an ad for the Pixel 4a "Your Pixel 4a comes 
with 3 months of Google One.".


Is this what people are missing?? Or is there supposed to be something 
in all that blank screen??


I just took another look at that link, and I confirm that content is 
showing if you do a lot of scrolling, I do see the expected content, 
even if not quite rendering in the way that Google expects it.


I'm running 2.53.3.

Smith


So you see the "A lot of help, for less" heading and the front and back 
pictures of the phone sliding away from each other as you scroll down?


Then you come to "A Google phone packed with the things you want" 
heading, with 4 columns under that with links explaining features.


Keep scrolling and you come to the Verizon offer.

Keep scrolling you get the "Jaw-dropping photos. Near, far or galaxies 
away heading".


Keep scrolling and you get pictures that change and enlarge as you scroll.

Keep scrolling for a whole lot more until you get to the pic with "Your 
Pixel 4a comes with 3 months of Google One" heading.


Glad you SeaMonkey is working. Mine isn't.

I saw all of that using Firefox Nightly 82.0a1.

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Re: Website seems to work in Google Chrome only- HELP!!!

[EE]

NFN Smith wrote:

Daniel wrote:


Hmm! Ray, I just clicked on your link, with, I believe, my stock 
standard SM 2.49.5 UA showing, and basically got a Blank Screen 
... with a scroll-bar down the right hand side. So I scrolled 
waaa down, and got an ad for the Pixel 4a "Your Pixel 4a comes 
with 3 months of Google One.".


Is this what people are missing?? Or is there supposed to be something 
in all that blank screen??


I just took another look at that link, and I confirm that content is 
showing if you do a lot of scrolling, I do see the expected content, 
even if not quite rendering in the way that Google expects it.


I'm running 2.53.3.

Smith


The funny thing about that link is that Slimjet did not work but Vivaldi 
did.  Both are chromium browsers, both use the Blink rendering engine, 
and both identify themselves as Chrome.


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Re: Website seems to work in Google Chrome only- HELP!!!

[Ray_Net]

NFN Smith wrote on 14-09-20 17:58:

Daniel wrote:


Hmm! Ray, I just clicked on your link, with, I believe, my stock 
standard SM 2.49.5 UA showing, and basically got a Blank Screen 
... with a scroll-bar down the right hand side. So I scrolled 
waaa down, and got an ad for the Pixel 4a "Your Pixel 4a comes 
with 3 months of Google One.".


Is this what people are missing?? Or is there supposed to be 
something in all that blank screen??


I just took another look at that link, and I confirm that content is 
showing if you do a lot of scrolling, I do see the expected content, 
even if not quite rendering in the way that Google expects it.


I'm running 2.53.3.

Smith

Correct. I have the same so it's normal that I wrote "..doesnot work."
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Re: Website seems to work in Google Chrome only- HELP!!!

[NFN Smith]

Daniel wrote:


Hmm! Ray, I just clicked on your link, with, I believe, my stock 
standard SM 2.49.5 UA showing, and basically got a Blank Screen ... 
with a scroll-bar down the right hand side. So I scrolled waaa down, 
and got an ad for the Pixel 4a "Your Pixel 4a comes with 3 months of 
Google One.".


Is this what people are missing?? Or is there supposed to be something 
in all that blank screen??


I just took another look at that link, and I confirm that content is 
showing if you do a lot of scrolling, I do see the expected content, 
even if not quite rendering in the way that Google expects it.


I'm running 2.53.3.

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Re: Website seems to work in Google Chrome only- HELP!!!

[Daniel]

WaltS48 wrote on 13/09/2020 11:06 PM:

Daniel wrote:

Ray_Net wrote on 13/09/2020 5:23 AM:

NFN Smith wrote on 12-09-20 18:27:

Danny Kile wrote:

Tried to access the following website
https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_4a

Would not run in SeaMonkey no matter what I used for a User Agent. 
Then I tried Pale Moon and it would not run with it. I then tried 
Internet Explorer and it was a no go also. Then I tried it with 
Google Chrome and it works with it. So what is so different about 
Chrome? How do I get it to run in SeaMonkey?


Google has its own way of how they want to do things.

For simple interaction, I've found that even the search bar at 
google.com has a display quirk. However, if set the User Agent to 
show *only* Firefox, the quirk goes away.  Thus, in about:config, I 
have added an entry:



 general.useragent.override.google.com    Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 
10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/68.0


I can't speak for Internet Explorer, but with Mozilla-derived 
browsers, it seems that Google doesn't handle things well if the UA 
string shows both "Firefox" and the name of the true browser. I've 
tested with both Seamonkey and PaleMoon, and I presume the same 
applies to Waterfox, as well.  If you show *just* Firefox, then that 
problem goes away.


You could probably get the same effect if you spoof a Chromium 
browser, whether Chrome proper, or a Chromium derivative, such as 
the new Edge, Opera, etc.


On the other hand, I've seen developer notes that indicate that 
where Google is going with YouTube, there's beginning to appear some 
things that work properly only in Chromium browsers, and even some 
stuff that may not work as well in Firefox, especially versions 
older than 78.x ESR.


Although you don't' have to abandon Seamonkey, you may want to get 
used to the idea that you don't necessarily use Seamonkey for 
everything (remember, there's nothing that requires you to commit to 
exclusive use of a single browser), and be prepared to use something 
other than Seamonkey to interact with certain sites.


Smith

You said: "If you show *just* Firefox, then that problem goes away. "

I have: user_pref("general.useragent.override.google.com", 
"Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:67.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/67.0");


And the https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_4a
doesnot work.


Hmm! Ray, I just clicked on your link, with, I believe, my stock 
standard SM 2.49.5 UA showing, and basically got a Blank Screen 
... with a scroll-bar down the right hand side. So I scrolled 
waaa down, and got an ad for the Pixel 4a "Your Pixel 4a comes 
with 3 months of Google One.".


Is this what people are missing?? Or is there supposed to be something 
in all that blank screen??


In my 2.53.3 with no extensions I get a page with some Google Store menu 
items across the top, a Google Pixel 4a Overview and pricing information 
with a "Buy" button in blue.


The rest is blank unless I scroll way down, then I see the same.

In Firefox there is a lot more animated imaging and information between 
the two sections. Mostly about how great the phone is for taking pictures.


Something SeaMonkey and the other non working browser must not support.

IMHO they should stop marketing these things as phones and start 
marketing them as cameras with phone capabilities. All I ever see in ads 
for new phones is how great the camera is.


YMMV


Yeap  but why not go the whole hog and just market them as fully 
functional computers?? ;-P

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Re: Website seems to work in Google Chrome only- HELP!!!

[Ant]

On 9/12/2020 1:16 PM, Ant wrote:

On 9/12/2020 8:15 AM, Danny Kile wrote:

Tried to access the following website
https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_4a

Would not run in SeaMonkey no matter what I used for a User Agent. 
Then I tried Pale Moon and it would not run with it. I then tried 
Internet Explorer and it was a no go also. Then I tried it with Google 
Chrome and it works with it. So what is so different about Chrome? How 
do I get it to run in SeaMonkey?


I guess Google doesn't want our money. ;)


Weird/Odd. My yesterday's post is missing? Is this usenet server having 
issues again like several months ago? :(

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Ant wrote:
> I wonder if it will work in non-Chromium Edge web browser (don't have
> nor want it).

It doesn't. I still have that turkey on this machine. Also IE 11 fails
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Re: Website seems to work in Google Chrome only- HELP!!!

[WaltS48]

Daniel wrote:

Ray_Net wrote on 13/09/2020 5:23 AM:

NFN Smith wrote on 12-09-20 18:27:

Danny Kile wrote:

Tried to access the following website
https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_4a

Would not run in SeaMonkey no matter what I used for a User Agent. 
Then I tried Pale Moon and it would not run with it. I then tried 
Internet Explorer and it was a no go also. Then I tried it with 
Google Chrome and it works with it. So what is so different about 
Chrome? How do I get it to run in SeaMonkey?


Google has its own way of how they want to do things.

For simple interaction, I've found that even the search bar at 
google.com has a display quirk. However, if set the User Agent to 
show *only* Firefox, the quirk goes away.  Thus, in about:config, I 
have added an entry:



 general.useragent.override.google.com    Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 
10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/68.0


I can't speak for Internet Explorer, but with Mozilla-derived 
browsers, it seems that Google doesn't handle things well if the UA 
string shows both "Firefox" and the name of the true browser. I've 
tested with both Seamonkey and PaleMoon, and I presume the same 
applies to Waterfox, as well.  If you show *just* Firefox, then that 
problem goes away.


You could probably get the same effect if you spoof a Chromium 
browser, whether Chrome proper, or a Chromium derivative, such as the 
new Edge, Opera, etc.


On the other hand, I've seen developer notes that indicate that where 
Google is going with YouTube, there's beginning to appear some things 
that work properly only in Chromium browsers, and even some stuff 
that may not work as well in Firefox, especially versions older than 
78.x ESR.


Although you don't' have to abandon Seamonkey, you may want to get 
used to the idea that you don't necessarily use Seamonkey for 
everything (remember, there's nothing that requires you to commit to 
exclusive use of a single browser), and be prepared to use something 
other than Seamonkey to interact with certain sites.


Smith

You said: "If you show *just* Firefox, then that problem goes away. "

I have: user_pref("general.useragent.override.google.com", 
"Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:67.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/67.0");


And the https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_4a
doesnot work.


Hmm! Ray, I just clicked on your link, with, I believe, my stock 
standard SM 2.49.5 UA showing, and basically got a Blank Screen ... 
with a scroll-bar down the right hand side. So I scrolled waaa down, 
and got an ad for the Pixel 4a "Your Pixel 4a comes with 3 months of 
Google One.".


Is this what people are missing?? Or is there supposed to be something 
in all that blank screen??


In my 2.53.3 with no extensions I get a page with some Google Store menu 
items across the top, a Google Pixel 4a Overview and pricing information 
with a "Buy" button in blue.


The rest is blank unless I scroll way down, then I see the same.

In Firefox there is a lot more animated imaging and information between 
the two sections. Mostly about how great the phone is for taking pictures.


Something SeaMonkey and the other non working browser must not support.

IMHO they should stop marketing these things as phones and start 
marketing them as cameras with phone capabilities. All I ever see in ads 
for new phones is how great the camera is.


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Re: Website seems to work in Google Chrome only- HELP!!!

[Daniel]

Ray_Net wrote on 13/09/2020 5:23 AM:

NFN Smith wrote on 12-09-20 18:27:

Danny Kile wrote:

Tried to access the following website
https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_4a

Would not run in SeaMonkey no matter what I used for a User Agent. 
Then I tried Pale Moon and it would not run with it. I then tried 
Internet Explorer and it was a no go also. Then I tried it with 
Google Chrome and it works with it. So what is so different about 
Chrome? How do I get it to run in SeaMonkey?


Google has its own way of how they want to do things.

For simple interaction, I've found that even the search bar at 
google.com has a display quirk. However, if set the User Agent to show 
*only* Firefox, the quirk goes away.  Thus, in about:config, I have 
added an entry:



 general.useragent.override.google.com    Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 
10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/68.0


I can't speak for Internet Explorer, but with Mozilla-derived 
browsers, it seems that Google doesn't handle things well if the UA 
string shows both "Firefox" and the name of the true browser. I've 
tested with both Seamonkey and PaleMoon, and I presume the same 
applies to Waterfox, as well.  If you show *just* Firefox, then that 
problem goes away.


You could probably get the same effect if you spoof a Chromium 
browser, whether Chrome proper, or a Chromium derivative, such as the 
new Edge, Opera, etc.


On the other hand, I've seen developer notes that indicate that where 
Google is going with YouTube, there's beginning to appear some things 
that work properly only in Chromium browsers, and even some stuff that 
may not work as well in Firefox, especially versions older than 78.x ESR.


Although you don't' have to abandon Seamonkey, you may want to get 
used to the idea that you don't necessarily use Seamonkey for 
everything (remember, there's nothing that requires you to commit to 
exclusive use of a single browser), and be prepared to use something 
other than Seamonkey to interact with certain sites.


Smith

You said: "If you show *just* Firefox, then that problem goes away. "

I have: user_pref("general.useragent.override.google.com", "Mozilla/5.0 
(Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:67.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/67.0");


And the https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_4a
doesnot work.


Hmm! Ray, I just clicked on your link, with, I believe, my stock 
standard SM 2.49.5 UA showing, and basically got a Blank Screen ... 
with a scroll-bar down the right hand side. So I scrolled waaa down, 
and got an ad for the Pixel 4a "Your Pixel 4a comes with 3 months of 
Google One.".


Is this what people are missing?? Or is there supposed to be something 
in all that blank screen??

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Win7 User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134


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Re: Website seems to work in Google Chrome only- HELP!!!

[NFN Smith]

Ray_Net wrote:

You said: "If you show *just* Firefox, then that problem goes away. "

I have: user_pref("general.useragent.override.google.com", "Mozilla/5.0 
(Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:67.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/67.0");


And the https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_4a
doesnot work.



I should have qualified by noting that the problem goes away at 
www.google.com.  I haven't dug far enough into Google's other sites to 
know just how widely that will work.


Google is heavy on scripting use, and beyond what can be done with the 
User Agent, there may be other things that don't work as intended, where 
Google is trying to make use of things that don't exist in Seamonkey.  I 
alluded to that in my note about YouTube, but it's entirely possible 
that similar issues may turn up at somewhere like store.google.com.


My suggestion works for some parts of Google, but it's entirely possible 
that it doesn't work for everything at Google.


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Re: Website seems to work in Google Chrome only- HELP!!!

[Ant]

On 9/12/2020 9:14 AM, Danny Kile wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 9/12/2020 11:15 AM, Danny Kile wrote:

Tried to access the following website
https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_4a

Would not run in SeaMonkey no matter what I used for a User Agent. 
Then I tried Pale Moon and it would not run with it. I then tried 
Internet Explorer and it was a no go also. Then I tried it with 
Google Chrome and it works with it. So what is so different about 
Chrome? How do I get it to run in SeaMonkey?



Danny


Did you try safe mode?

Works for me in Firefox 80.0.1 on Windows10.


I did try safe mode and that did not work. However, that would not 
explain why IE and Pale Moon did not work also.


It didn't work in my 64-bit SeaMonkey v2.53.3 (even tried a couple 
Firefox user agents) and Internet Explorer v11 web browsers in my decade 
old, updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC. However, my 64-bit Firefox v80.0.1 
was fine. I wonder if it will work in non-Chromium Edge web browser 
(don't have nor want it).

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Re: Website seems to work in Google Chrome only- HELP!!!

[Ant]

On 9/12/2020 8:15 AM, Danny Kile wrote:

Tried to access the following website
https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_4a

Would not run in SeaMonkey no matter what I used for a User Agent. Then 
I tried Pale Moon and it would not run with it. I then tried Internet 
Explorer and it was a no go also. Then I tried it with Google Chrome and 
it works with it. So what is so different about Chrome? How do I get it 
to run in SeaMonkey?


I guess Google doesn't want our money. ;)
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Re: Website seems to work in Google Chrome only- HELP!!!

[Ray_Net]

NFN Smith wrote on 12-09-20 18:27:

Danny Kile wrote:

Tried to access the following website
https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_4a

Would not run in SeaMonkey no matter what I used for a User Agent. 
Then I tried Pale Moon and it would not run with it. I then tried 
Internet Explorer and it was a no go also. Then I tried it with 
Google Chrome and it works with it. So what is so different about 
Chrome? How do I get it to run in SeaMonkey?


Google has its own way of how they want to do things.

For simple interaction, I've found that even the search bar at 
google.com has a display quirk. However, if set the User Agent to show 
*only* Firefox, the quirk goes away.  Thus, in about:config, I have 
added an entry:



 general.useragent.override.google.com    Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 
10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/68.0


I can't speak for Internet Explorer, but with Mozilla-derived 
browsers, it seems that Google doesn't handle things well if the UA 
string shows both "Firefox" and the name of the true browser. I've 
tested with both Seamonkey and PaleMoon, and I presume the same 
applies to Waterfox, as well.  If you show *just* Firefox, then that 
problem goes away.


You could probably get the same effect if you spoof a Chromium 
browser, whether Chrome proper, or a Chromium derivative, such as the 
new Edge, Opera, etc.


On the other hand, I've seen developer notes that indicate that where 
Google is going with YouTube, there's beginning to appear some things 
that work properly only in Chromium browsers, and even some stuff that 
may not work as well in Firefox, especially versions older than 78.x ESR.


Although you don't' have to abandon Seamonkey, you may want to get 
used to the idea that you don't necessarily use Seamonkey for 
everything (remember, there's nothing that requires you to commit to 
exclusive use of a single browser), and be prepared to use something 
other than Seamonkey to interact with certain sites.


Smith

You said: "If you show *just* Firefox, then that problem goes away. "

I have: user_pref("general.useragent.override.google.com", "Mozilla/5.0 
(Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:67.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/67.0");


And the https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_4a
doesnot work.
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Re: Website seems to work in Google Chrome only- HELP!!!

[EE]

Danny Kile wrote:

Tried to access the following website
https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_4a

Would not run in SeaMonkey no matter what I used for a User Agent. Then 
I tried Pale Moon and it would not run with it. I then tried Internet 
Explorer and it was a no go also. Then I tried it with Google Chrome and 
it works with it. So what is so different about Chrome? How do I get it 
to run in SeaMonkey?



Danny
That page works with Vivaldi, but not with Slimjet.  Interesting, since 
they are both chromium browsers with the Blink rendering engine, and 
both identify themselves as Chrome.  It works with Safari, which does 
not identify itself as Chrome.


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Re: Website seems to work in Google Chrome only- HELP!!!

[NFN Smith]

Danny Kile wrote:

Tried to access the following website
https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_4a

Would not run in SeaMonkey no matter what I used for a User Agent. Then 
I tried Pale Moon and it would not run with it. I then tried Internet 
Explorer and it was a no go also. Then I tried it with Google Chrome and 
it works with it. So what is so different about Chrome? How do I get it 
to run in SeaMonkey?


Google has its own way of how they want to do things.

For simple interaction, I've found that even the search bar at 
google.com has a display quirk. However, if set the User Agent to show 
*only* Firefox, the quirk goes away.  Thus, in about:config, I have 
added an entry:



 general.useragent.override.google.comMozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; 
Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/68.0


I can't speak for Internet Explorer, but with Mozilla-derived browsers, 
it seems that Google doesn't handle things well if the UA string shows 
both "Firefox" and the name of the true browser.  I've tested with both 
Seamonkey and PaleMoon, and I presume the same applies to Waterfox, as 
well.  If you show *just* Firefox, then that problem goes away.


You could probably get the same effect if you spoof a Chromium browser, 
whether Chrome proper, or a Chromium derivative, such as the new Edge, 
Opera, etc.


On the other hand, I've seen developer notes that indicate that where 
Google is going with YouTube, there's beginning to appear some things 
that work properly only in Chromium browsers, and even some stuff that 
may not work as well in Firefox, especially versions older than 78.x ESR.


Although you don't' have to abandon Seamonkey, you may want to get used 
to the idea that you don't necessarily use Seamonkey for everything 
(remember, there's nothing that requires you to commit to exclusive use 
of a single browser), and be prepared to use something other than 
Seamonkey to interact with certain sites.


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Re: Website seems to work in Google Chrome only- HELP!!!

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WaltS48 wrote:

On 9/12/2020 11:15 AM, Danny Kile wrote:

Tried to access the following website
https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_4a

Would not run in SeaMonkey no matter what I used for a User Agent. 
Then I tried Pale Moon and it would not run with it. I then tried 
Internet Explorer and it was a no go also. Then I tried it with Google 
Chrome and it works with it. So what is so different about Chrome? How 
do I get it to run in SeaMonkey?



Danny


Did you try safe mode?

Works for me in Firefox 80.0.1 on Windows10.


I did try safe mode and that did not work. However, that would not 
explain why IE and Pale Moon did not work also.


Danny
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Re: Website seems to work in Google Chrome only- HELP!!!

[WaltS48 via support-seamonkey]

On 9/12/2020 11:15 AM, Danny Kile wrote:

Tried to access the following website
https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_4a

Would not run in SeaMonkey no matter what I used for a User Agent. Then 
I tried Pale Moon and it would not run with it. I then tried Internet 
Explorer and it was a no go also. Then I tried it with Google Chrome and 
it works with it. So what is so different about Chrome? How do I get it 
to run in SeaMonkey?



Danny


Did you try safe mode?

Works for me in Firefox 80.0.1 on Windows10.
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Website seems to work in Google Chrome only- HELP!!!

[Danny Kile]

Tried to access the following website
https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_4a

Would not run in SeaMonkey no matter what I used for a User Agent. Then 
I tried Pale Moon and it would not run with it. I then tried Internet 
Explorer and it was a no go also. Then I tried it with Google Chrome and 
it works with it. So what is so different about Chrome? How do I get it 
to run in SeaMonkey?



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Re: Help me upgrading to 2.53.1

[Yamo']

Hi,
Ray_Net a tapoté le 22/04/2020 22:02:
> Ray_Net wrote on 21-04-20 08:39:
>> Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote on 19-04-20 13:29:
>>> Yamo' wrote:
 Hi,

 Ray_Net a tapoté le 19/04/2020 10:50:
> I want to go from SM 2.49.1 to 2.53.1 ...
> But I see that:
> - FireBug is not available anymore. so what ?

 I don't use it.
>>>
>>> Firebug has been replaced with the internal developer tools. They 
>>> still have a few rough edges and bugs but are working. Ok replacement 
>>> together with DOMi.
>>>
> - AdBlock-Plus is not available anymore. so what ?

 I use BlueHell Firewall 2.6.4 and uBlock origin 1.16.4.20 :
 

[ cutting the citations]

> - What about this addon "true-full-screen-in-seamonkey" not needed
> anymore ?
>>>
>>> I don't think this is needed anymore.
>>>
>>> FRG
>> 
>> Thank you for answering, but I think that I must stay with my 2.49.1 
>> until 2.57
>> Because: (the minimum that I want)
>> The french dictionary is a web extension

NO

I use the version 6.3 on 2.53.1 :




>> The uBlock origin (replacement of AdBlock-Plus is a web extension

NO


I use uBlock origin 1.16.4.20 on Seamonkey 2.53.1 :






[ cutting the citations]



>> So the questions are:
>> - Could I pass from 2.49.1 to 2.57 in one step ?

2.57 is not working. You should use 2.53.1 or 2.49.5.


>> - What is approximately the release date of the 2.57 version ?

I think that nobody can predict that.


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Re: Help me upgrading to 2.53.1

[jcteyssier]

Ray_Net a écrit :

Ray_Net wrote on 21-04-20 08:39:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote on 19-04-20 13:29:

Yamo' wrote:

Hi,

Ray_Net a tapoté le 19/04/2020 10:50:

I want to go from SM 2.49.1 to 2.53.1 ...
But I see that:
- FireBug is not available anymore. so what ?


I don't use it.


Firebug has been replaced with the internal developer tools. They 
still have a few rough edges and bugs but are working. Ok replacement 
together with DOMi.



- AdBlock-Plus is not available anymore. so what ?


I use BlueHell Firewall 2.6.4 and uBlock origin 1.16.4.20 :



2.91 is available but not recommended. I had nothing but problems 
(temporary hangs and memory bloat) after 2.82 even with 2.49.x so 
switched to uBlock which is still somehwat maintained.



- What about this addon "true-full-screen-in-seamonkey" not needed
anymore ?


I don't think this is needed anymore.

FRG


Thank you for answering, but I think that I must stay with my 2.49.1 
until 2.57

Because: (the minimum that I want)
The french dictionary is a web extension
The uBlock origin (replacement of AdBlock-Plus is a web extension

AND in the 2.53.1 release notes I read:

Dictionaries in WebExtension formats do *not* work, even though they 
appear to install correctly.


SeaMonkey does not currently support the WebExtensions add-on api. 
Some popular add-ons like NoScript and uBlock Origin are no longer 
shown because of this on the SeaMonkey add-ons website. You can 
usually get them from the manufacturers site. WebExtensions support is 
a planned feature for 2.57.



So the questions are:
- Could I pass from 2.49.1 to 2.57 in one step ?
- What is approximately the release date of the 2.57 version ?

I have not undersatnd all the answers  It seems very complicated ...
I think that I should abandon SM 2.53.1: i use French dictionary without 
any problem.

It was present on my 2.29.5 profile ans is still here and active.

Ops, wait: i check in about:addons and seems no dictionary here 
except en-US.
Strange, because i still have spell check active. Maybe because i use 
the French official build of Seamonkey?


https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.53.1/win64/fr/seamonkey-2.53.1.fr.win64.installer.exe

I use uBlock Origin (1.46.4.20) also without any problem (was also 
present in my 2.49.5)

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Re: Help me upgrading to 2.53.1

[Ray_Net]

Ray_Net wrote on 21-04-20 08:39:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote on 19-04-20 13:29:

Yamo' wrote:

Hi,

Ray_Net a tapoté le 19/04/2020 10:50:

I want to go from SM 2.49.1 to 2.53.1 ...
But I see that:
- FireBug is not available anymore. so what ?


I don't use it.


Firebug has been replaced with the internal developer tools. They 
still have a few rough edges and bugs but are working. Ok replacement 
together with DOMi.



- AdBlock-Plus is not available anymore. so what ?


I use BlueHell Firewall 2.6.4 and uBlock origin 1.16.4.20 :



2.91 is available but not recommended. I had nothing but problems 
(temporary hangs and memory bloat) after 2.82 even with 2.49.x so 
switched to uBlock which is still somehwat maintained.



- What about this addon "true-full-screen-in-seamonkey" not needed
anymore ?


I don't think this is needed anymore.

FRG


Thank you for answering, but I think that I must stay with my 2.49.1 
until 2.57

Because: (the minimum that I want)
The french dictionary is a web extension
The uBlock origin (replacement of AdBlock-Plus is a web extension

AND in the 2.53.1 release notes I read:

Dictionaries in WebExtension formats do *not* work, even though they 
appear to install correctly.


SeaMonkey does not currently support the WebExtensions add-on api. 
Some popular add-ons like NoScript and uBlock Origin are no longer 
shown because of this on the SeaMonkey add-ons website. You can 
usually get them from the manufacturers site. WebExtensions support is 
a planned feature for 2.57.



So the questions are:
- Could I pass from 2.49.1 to 2.57 in one step ?
- What is approximately the release date of the 2.57 version ?

I have not undersatnd all the answers  It seems very complicated ...
I think that I should abandon SM 
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Re: Help me upgrading to 2.53.1

[Hawker]

On 4/21/2020 3:00 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:





2.53 is not in good shape. It works supergreat for me but at least the 
mailnews part still needs a big overhaul. Practically all changes we do 
for 2.53 go into 2.57 and up in parallel so future versions benefit. And 
every time I look closer at 2.57 I find something mozilla broke. 


Thank you for the clear explanation.
Honestly I moved mail to Thunderbird maybe 3-4 years ago. I kept having 
corrupted inbox issues if the box got too large and lack of 
Thunderbird's advanced search pushed me over. I preferred the feel of SM 
but had to do it and mail/news was just to feature laging.


I keep trying Firefox but the lost features (esp how it handles cookie 
exemptions, lack of side bar, harder to use UI, and other issues) there 
are greater than any benefit right now so I'll keep my trusty Seamonkey 
now.  Although some of FireFoxes new built in privacy features for FB 
and other things are really nice, that may be the straw that breaks the 
camels back for me.


 My chrome loving wife has been using my Seamonkey the last few days 
and says she way prefers the features of SM, but prefers the speed and 
compatibility of Chrome.






I always ended up added custom filters to ABP. I seldom need to tweak 
uBlock and memory usage did go down alot.




Good to know. Hopefully I find the same.


FRG


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Re: Help me upgrading to 2.53.1

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Hawker wrote:

thanx. That is great advise.
I was wondering, rather than a different profile, if I could just have 
both installed and disable in the add on manager the one i am not using. 
this way I can disable ABP, try uBlock and if I don't like it or it 
needs more work to make me happy just revert back to disable uBlock and 
ABP. This way I get to try it in my real profile, which is probably more 
real world anyway.


Yes, that's doable.  I considered mentioning the previously, but was 
trying to keep things brief.


As FRG has noted, make sure that you don't try to have both active 
simultaneously, as they're likely to conflict.


Now that I think of it, when I switched to uBlock, I did exactly that, 
of keeping ABP inactive, before I eventually discarded it.


Smith

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Re: Help me upgrading to 2.53.1

[NFN Smith]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:


I always ended up added custom filters to ABP. I seldom need to tweak 
uBlock and memory usage did go down alot.



That's been my experience, as well.  I did a lot more tweaking of ABP 
than I've ever done with uBlock.


Smith

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Re: Help me upgrading to 2.53.1

[EE]

Hawker wrote:
Clinging to ABP for me is because it took me several days to get it 
working the way I wanted years ago. I had to find various lists, see 
which ones worked better than others. Deal with broken websites (which 
often required different lists). lots of research and configurations 
work I don't particularly like to do and would rather use my time for 
other things.  I know I need to move on but don't want to invest the 
time right now to do the same with uBlock


But uBlock Origin can also use Adblock filter lists.  If you already 
know which ones work for you, you can add those to uBlock Origin.  You 
can add your same personal blocklist to it as well.


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Re: Help me upgrading to 2.53.1

[EE]

Ray_Net wrote:

I want to go from SM 2.49.1 to 2.53.1 ...
But I see that:
- FireBug is not available anymore. so what ?
- AdBlock-Plus is not available anymore. so what ?
- What about this addon "true-full-screen-in-seamonkey" not needed 
anymore ?


But uBlock Origin is available from here:
https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases

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Re: Help me upgrading to 2.53.1

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Hawker wrote:

On 4/21/2020 4:24 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote on 19-04-20 13:29:

Yamo' wrote:

Hi,


So the questions are:
- Could I pass from 2.49.1 to 2.57 in one step ?
No. NSS is no longer backwoard compatible. We need to soon put a hard block 
in to go thru 2.53.1 to .3 first.



- What is approximately the release date of the 2.57 version ?


At least a year or two away with the current resources.

We either keep up with 2.53 or do 2.57 full time. The later is not an option.


I'm not sure I understand this. Given the lack of resources wouldn't it make 
the most sense to get 2.53.x to some point "good enough" as quickly as you 
can, maybe once 2.53.2 drops then let it go and move on to 2.57? I realize 
that could leave 2.53 in bad shape, but we had that with 2.49 and it would be 
really nice to get SM to a more current engine with less website compatibility 
issues. The more y'all delay working on newer versions the more behind SM gets 
and the more folks move to a new tool.




2.53 is not in good shape. It works supergreat for me but at least the 
mailnews part still needs a big overhaul. Practically all changes we do for 
2.53 go into 2.57 and up in parallel so future versions benefit. And every 
time I look closer at 2.57 I find something mozilla broke. Technically 
SeaMonkey is now at 2.74 and still compiles fine but I am not sure I want to 
ever tackle fixing it up to this level. Much removed and minor benefit from a 
usablility perspective. If it were not for js and css compatibility I say to 
the hell with it. Well when we are at 2.57 we need to decide. Given the 
current Firefox market share or lack of it Gecko might even come to an end in 
the next years. Just my personal opinion btw.




Not sure why you cling to ABP and 2.49.1 (this one is even more obsolete).


Clinging to ABP for me is because it took me several days to get it working 
the way I wanted years ago. I had to find various lists, see which ones worked 
better than others. Deal with broken websites (which often required different 
lists). lots of research and configurations work I don't particularly like to 
do and would rather use my time for other things.  I know I need to move on 
but don't want to invest the time right now to do the same with uBlock




I always ended up added custom filters to ABP. I seldom need to tweak uBlock 
and memory usage did go down alot.


FRG
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Re: Help me upgrading to 2.53.1

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Hawker wrote:

On 4/21/2020 10:48 AM, NFN Smith wrote:

Hawker wrote:




Not sure why you cling to ABP and 2.49.1 (this one is even more obsolete).


Clinging to ABP for me is because it took me several days to get it working 
the way I wanted years ago. I had to find various lists, see which ones 
worked better than others. Deal with broken websites (which often required 
different lists). lots of research and configurations work I don't 
particularly like to do and would rather use my time for other things.  I 
know I need to move on but don't want to invest the time right now to do 
the same with uBlock



Something you might want to try

When I was running AdBlock Plus, I had also done quite a bit of tuning, but 
I when I moved to uBlock Origin, I didn't need to do an unreasonable amount 
of work.  uBlock can pretty much subscribe to the same lists that ABP does.  
Yes, it does take a little bit of time getting to uBlock's different UI, and 
it is a little more effort to dig into individual blocking rules.  However, 
with uBlock, I find that I spend less time tinkering with the rules than I 
did with ABP, and ultimately, that's time I can spend doing what I want to do.


What you might want to do is to create a new profile and install uBlock in 
that -- add all the subscriptions you want (and for that matter, any other 
extensions you consider to be essential), and see what things look like.  
You might find that you get enough blocking immediately, without having to 
spend much more time, at least not initially. It's likely that a lot of the 
fine-tuning that you want is probably better done as tweaks that are done in 
the context of of the moment.


If initial setups of uBlock do enough for you in the second profile, then 
that will tell you if you can replace ABP in your primary profile without an 
unreasonable amount of work.


Smith



thanx. That is great advise.
I was wondering, rather than a different profile, if I could just have both 
installed and disable in the add on manager the one i am not using. this way I 
can disable ABP, try uBlock and if I don't like it or it needs more work to 
make me happy just revert back to disable uBlock and ABP. This way I get to 
try it in my real profile, which is probably more real world anyway.




Yes that is possible. I would not advise keeping them both enabled but even 
this should work. Don't ask about performance and memory use in this case 
(both enabled) :) I liked the old ABP ui more but the new one is not much 
different from uBlock thanks to the wonders of web extensions where every 
add-on needs to do its own gui.


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Re: Help me upgrading to 2.53.1

[Hawker]

On 4/21/2020 10:48 AM, NFN Smith wrote:

Hawker wrote:




Not sure why you cling to ABP and 2.49.1 (this one is even more 
obsolete).


Clinging to ABP for me is because it took me several days to get it 
working the way I wanted years ago. I had to find various lists, see 
which ones worked better than others. Deal with broken websites (which 
often required different lists). lots of research and configurations 
work I don't particularly like to do and would rather use my time for 
other things.  I know I need to move on but don't want to invest the 
time right now to do the same with uBlock



Something you might want to try

When I was running AdBlock Plus, I had also done quite a bit of tuning, 
but I when I moved to uBlock Origin, I didn't need to do an unreasonable 
amount of work.  uBlock can pretty much subscribe to the same lists that 
ABP does.  Yes, it does take a little bit of time getting to uBlock's 
different UI, and it is a little more effort to dig into individual 
blocking rules.  However, with uBlock, I find that I spend less time 
tinkering with the rules than I did with ABP, and ultimately, that's 
time I can spend doing what I want to do.


What you might want to do is to create a new profile and install uBlock 
in that -- add all the subscriptions you want (and for that matter, any 
other extensions you consider to be essential), and see what things look 
like.  You might find that you get enough blocking immediately, without 
having to spend much more time, at least not initially. It's likely that 
a lot of the fine-tuning that you want is probably better done as tweaks 
that are done in the context of of the moment.


If initial setups of uBlock do enough for you in the second profile, 
then that will tell you if you can replace ABP in your primary profile 
without an unreasonable amount of work.


Smith



thanx. That is great advise.
I was wondering, rather than a different profile, if I could just have 
both installed and disable in the add on manager the one i am not using. 
this way I can disable ABP, try uBlock and if I don't like it or it 
needs more work to make me happy just revert back to disable uBlock and 
ABP. This way I get to try it in my real profile, which is probably more 
real world anyway.


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Re: Help me upgrading to 2.53.1

[NFN Smith]

Hawker wrote:




Not sure why you cling to ABP and 2.49.1 (this one is even more 
obsolete).


Clinging to ABP for me is because it took me several days to get it 
working the way I wanted years ago. I had to find various lists, see 
which ones worked better than others. Deal with broken websites (which 
often required different lists). lots of research and configurations 
work I don't particularly like to do and would rather use my time for 
other things.  I know I need to move on but don't want to invest the 
time right now to do the same with uBlock



Something you might want to try

When I was running AdBlock Plus, I had also done quite a bit of tuning, 
but I when I moved to uBlock Origin, I didn't need to do an unreasonable 
amount of work.  uBlock can pretty much subscribe to the same lists that 
ABP does.  Yes, it does take a little bit of time getting to uBlock's 
different UI, and it is a little more effort to dig into individual 
blocking rules.  However, with uBlock, I find that I spend less time 
tinkering with the rules than I did with ABP, and ultimately, that's 
time I can spend doing what I want to do.


What you might want to do is to create a new profile and install uBlock 
in that -- add all the subscriptions you want (and for that matter, any 
other extensions you consider to be essential), and see what things look 
like.  You might find that you get enough blocking immediately, without 
having to spend much more time, at least not initially. It's likely that 
a lot of the fine-tuning that you want is probably better done as tweaks 
that are done in the context of of the moment.


If initial setups of uBlock do enough for you in the second profile, 
then that will tell you if you can replace ABP in your primary profile 
without an unreasonable amount of work.


Smith

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Re: Help me upgrading to 2.53.1

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On 4/21/2020 4:24 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote on 19-04-20 13:29:

Yamo' wrote:

Hi,


So the questions are:
- Could I pass from 2.49.1 to 2.57 in one step ?
No. NSS is no longer backwoard compatible. We need to soon put a hard 
block in to go thru 2.53.1 to .3 first.



- What is approximately the release date of the 2.57 version ?


At least a year or two away with the current resources.

We either keep up with 2.53 or do 2.57 full time. The later is not an 
option.


I'm not sure I understand this. Given the lack of resources wouldn't it 
make the most sense to get 2.53.x to some point "good enough" as quickly 
as you can, maybe once 2.53.2 drops then let it go and move on to 2.57? 
I realize that could leave 2.53 in bad shape, but we had that with 2.49 
and it would be really nice to get SM to a more current engine with less 
website compatibility issues. The more y'all delay working on newer 
versions the more behind SM gets and the more folks move to a new tool.





Not sure why you cling to ABP and 2.49.1 (this one is even more obsolete).


Clinging to ABP for me is because it took me several days to get it 
working the way I wanted years ago. I had to find various lists, see 
which ones worked better than others. Deal with broken websites (which 
often required different lists). lots of research and configurations 
work I don't particularly like to do and would rather use my time for 
other things.  I know I need to move on but don't want to invest the 
time right now to do the same with uBlock





Older fr dictionary can be used with 2.53.x and I am working on getting 
web ext dictionary support in.


FRG


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Re: Help me upgrading to 2.53.1

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Ray_Net wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote on 19-04-20 13:29:

Yamo' wrote:

Hi,


So the questions are:
- Could I pass from 2.49.1 to 2.57 in one step ?
No. NSS is no longer backwoard compatible. We need to soon put a hard block in 
to go thru 2.53.1 to .3 first.



- What is approximately the release date of the 2.57 version ?


At least a year or two away with the current resources.

We either keep up with 2.53 or do 2.57 full time. The later is not an option.

Not sure why you cling to ABP and 2.49.1 (this one is even more obsolete).

Older fr dictionary can be used with 2.53.x and I am working on getting web 
ext dictionary support in.


FRG
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Re: Help me upgrading to 2.53.1

[Yamo']

Hi,

Ray_Net a tapoté le 21/04/2020 08:39:

> Thank you for answering, but I think that I must stay with my 2.49.1 
> until 2.57
> Because: (the minimum that I want)
> The french dictionary is a web extension

No, I use the version 6.3 on 2.53.1 :





> The uBlock origin (replacement of AdBlock-Plus is a web extension

No

There is TWO branches, for Seamonkey you have to use the legacy branch.

And why using very old 2.49.1 and not 2.49.5 why have less securities
holes...


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Re: Help me upgrading to 2.53.1

[Ray_Net]

NFN Smith wrote on 20-04-20 17:34:

Ray_Net wrote:

I want to go from SM 2.49.1 to 2.53.1 ...
But I see that:
- FireBug is not available anymore. so what ?
- AdBlock-Plus is not available anymore. so what ?
- What about this addon "true-full-screen-in-seamonkey" not needed 
anymore ?



For FireBug and true-full-screen-  if you don't know why you need 
them, chances are pretty good that you don't need them.


When I installed it  it was useful because full-screen was not 
working ...

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Re: Help me upgrading to 2.53.1

[Ray_Net]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote on 19-04-20 13:29:

Yamo' wrote:

Hi,

Ray_Net a tapoté le 19/04/2020 10:50:

I want to go from SM 2.49.1 to 2.53.1 ...
But I see that:
- FireBug is not available anymore. so what ?


I don't use it.


Firebug has been replaced with the internal developer tools. They 
still have a few rough edges and bugs but are working. Ok replacement 
together with DOMi.



- AdBlock-Plus is not available anymore. so what ?


I use BlueHell Firewall 2.6.4 and uBlock origin 1.16.4.20 :



2.91 is available but not recommended. I had nothing but problems 
(temporary hangs and memory bloat) after 2.82 even with 2.49.x so 
switched to uBlock which is still somehwat maintained.



- What about this addon "true-full-screen-in-seamonkey" not needed
anymore ?


I don't think this is needed anymore.

FRG


Thank you for answering, but I think that I must stay with my 2.49.1 
until 2.57

Because: (the minimum that I want)
The french dictionary is a web extension
The uBlock origin (replacement of AdBlock-Plus is a web extension

AND in the 2.53.1 release notes I read:

Dictionaries in WebExtension formats do *not* work, even though they 
appear to install correctly.


SeaMonkey does not currently support the WebExtensions add-on api. Some 
popular add-ons like NoScript and uBlock Origin are no longer shown 
because of this on the SeaMonkey add-ons website. You can usually get 
them from the manufacturers site. WebExtensions support is a planned 
feature for 2.57.



So the questions are:
- Could I pass from 2.49.1 to 2.57 in one step ?
- What is approximately the release date of the 2.57 version ?
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Re: Help me upgrading to 2.53.1

[Hawker]

On 4/20/2020 12:42 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:



Hawker wrote:

On 4/20/2020 11:34 AM, NFN Smith wrote:


I'm wondering how many of my problems with lock up and excessive 
memory usage is from AdBlock. The fact that the lists have not been 
updated in years is also an issue.
I confess that the time to research and change and configure to uBlock 
is part of why I am still at 2.49.5 but I am suspecting the issue goes 
back to my version as well.  I'm pretty sure when 2.53.2 comes out 
I'll change to uBlock and update.
Ti.com stopped working with 2.49.5 this week and I am really hoping 
2.53 fixes that.





Seems to be working fine including search at first glance:

https://www.ti.com/store/ti/en/search/?text=74ls04&searchType=

Basically there was only a single problem with 2.53.2 beta 1 reported so 
far wrt language packs and the upgrade. The final will get some 
additonal security and a few minor issue fixes so I would say even the 
beta is good to go. Installing the final over the beta will be smooth.


FRG


Thanx for the info.
Turns out the TI problem, so far, was a conflict with AdBlock that 
didn't exist before. Another reason to switch to uBlock I guess.
The search was broken but also so was some of the page navigation when 
you click order now etc. It worked a week ago.  I spend a few hours a 
day on that site usually so it was a big blow. There is a lot that is 
way harder to do on the new page they launched or doesn't work anymore 
no matter what browser I use so I am hoping TI is on it for the other 
issues.

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Re: Help me upgrading to 2.53.1

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Hawker wrote:

On 4/20/2020 11:34 AM, NFN Smith wrote:


I'm wondering how many of my problems with lock up and excessive memory usage 
is from AdBlock. The fact that the lists have not been updated in years is 
also an issue.
I confess that the time to research and change and configure to uBlock is part 
of why I am still at 2.49.5 but I am suspecting the issue goes back to my 
version as well.  I'm pretty sure when 2.53.2 comes out I'll change to uBlock 
and update.
Ti.com stopped working with 2.49.5 this week and I am really hoping 2.53 fixes 
that.





Seems to be working fine including search at first glance:

https://www.ti.com/store/ti/en/search/?text=74ls04&searchType=

Basically there was only a single problem with 2.53.2 beta 1 reported so far 
wrt language packs and the upgrade. The final will get some additonal security 
and a few minor issue fixes so I would say even the beta is good to go. 
Installing the final over the beta will be smooth.


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Re: Help me upgrading to 2.53.1

[Hawker]

On 4/20/2020 11:34 AM, NFN Smith wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

I want to go from SM 2.49.1 to 2.53.1 ...
But I see that:
- FireBug is not available anymore. so what ?
- AdBlock-Plus is not available anymore. so what ?
- What about this addon "true-full-screen-in-seamonkey" not needed 
anymore ?



For FireBug and true-full-screen-  if you don't know why you need them, 
chances are pretty good that you don't need them. You might try 
disabling and seeing how Seamonkey behaves.  I suspect you'll never know 
the difference.


If you read the 2.53.1 release notes 
https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.1/ , the 
Extensions section not only notes that AdBlock Plus is problematic, but 
there is still a version of uBlock Origin that is working (and 
supported), and there is a link offered.


For AdBlock, the issue is that they've stopped supporting XUL 
extensions, and at version 2.53.x Seamonkey does not support 
WebExtension extensions.


I will note that I'm quite content with what I'm getting out of uBlock.

Smith



I'm wondering how many of my problems with lock up and excessive memory 
usage is from AdBlock. The fact that the lists have not been updated in 
years is also an issue.
I confess that the time to research and change and configure to uBlock 
is part of why I am still at 2.49.5 but I am suspecting the issue goes 
back to my version as well.  I'm pretty sure when 2.53.2 comes out I'll 
change to uBlock and update.
Ti.com stopped working with 2.49.5 this week and I am really hoping 2.53 
fixes that.



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Re: Help me upgrading to 2.53.1

[NFN Smith]

Ray_Net wrote:

I want to go from SM 2.49.1 to 2.53.1 ...
But I see that:
- FireBug is not available anymore. so what ?
- AdBlock-Plus is not available anymore. so what ?
- What about this addon "true-full-screen-in-seamonkey" not needed 
anymore ?



For FireBug and true-full-screen-  if you don't know why you need them, 
chances are pretty good that you don't need them. You might try 
disabling and seeing how Seamonkey behaves.  I suspect you'll never know 
the difference.


If you read the 2.53.1 release notes 
https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.1/ , the 
Extensions section not only notes that AdBlock Plus is problematic, but 
there is still a version of uBlock Origin that is working (and 
supported), and there is a link offered.


For AdBlock, the issue is that they've stopped supporting XUL 
extensions, and at version 2.53.x Seamonkey does not support 
WebExtension extensions.


I will note that I'm quite content with what I'm getting out of uBlock.

Smith

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Re: Help me upgrading to 2.53.1

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Yamo' wrote:

Hi,

Ray_Net a tapoté le 19/04/2020 10:50:

I want to go from SM 2.49.1 to 2.53.1 ...
But I see that:
- FireBug is not available anymore. so what ?


I don't use it.


Firebug has been replaced with the internal developer tools. They still have a 
few rough edges and bugs but are working. Ok replacement together with DOMi.



- AdBlock-Plus is not available anymore. so what ?


I use BlueHell Firewall 2.6.4 and uBlock origin 1.16.4.20 :



2.91 is available but not recommended. I had nothing but problems (temporary 
hangs and memory bloat) after 2.82 even with 2.49.x so switched to uBlock 
which is still somehwat maintained.



- What about this addon "true-full-screen-in-seamonkey" not needed
anymore ?


I don't think this is needed anymore.

FRG
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Re: Help me upgrading to 2.53.1

[Yamo']

Hi,

Ray_Net a tapoté le 19/04/2020 10:50:
> I want to go from SM 2.49.1 to 2.53.1 ...
> But I see that:
> - FireBug is not available anymore. so what ?

I don't use it.

> - AdBlock-Plus is not available anymore. so what ?

I use BlueHell Firewall 2.6.4 and uBlock origin 1.16.4.20 :


> - What about this addon "true-full-screen-in-seamonkey" not needed 
> anymore ?

I never used it.



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Help me upgrading to 2.53.1

[Ray_Net]

I want to go from SM 2.49.1 to 2.53.1 ...
But I see that:
- FireBug is not available anymore. so what ?
- AdBlock-Plus is not available anymore. so what ?
- What about this addon "true-full-screen-in-seamonkey" not needed 
anymore ?

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Re: Help! Lost all passwords after upgradimng to Version 2.49.5

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Ray Davison wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Your passwords are still in the profile 2.49.5 


If you get the profiles out of the app, then there is then no such thing as a 
"2.49.5" profile.


Yes there is because they are version specific.

And there are reasons for a single profile for multiple app versions. One 
time, when looking for the date and time of a bug insertion I was using the 
same profile for twenty versions of SM, all loaded on the HDD side-by-side.


Sorry you don't get it. This is not supported and breaks functionality. It now 
shows with 2.53.1 but was the case before. In every version migration routines 
run. They know how to fix backward stuff from a few previous versions but 
because time travel is not supported during code generation they know nothing 
about future changes.


The guy said he lost his passwords when going back to 2.49.5. Not because of 
magic elves taking them away but because profile got upgraded and files 
deleted / changed. In this case you history is gone too and indexdb storage 
unusable. And going back some more versions and your cache gets corrupted. On 
going back to 2.35.1 you host permissions are reset and so on.


It is ok to be stubborn as long as you are not wrong. In this case you are 
dead wrong. EOM


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Re: Help! Lost all passwords after upgradimng to Version 2.49.5

[Ray Davison]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Your passwords are still in the profile 2.49.5 


If you get the profiles out of the app, then there is then no such thing 
as a "2.49.5" profile.


There are many reasons for multiple profiles.  You can then have as many 
profiles as you want and pick the one you want when you run the app.


And there are reasons for a single profile for multiple app versions. 
One time, when looking for the date and time of a bug insertion I was 
using the same profile for twenty versions of SM, all loaded on the HDD 
side-by-side.


Ray

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Re: Help! Lost all passwords after upgradimng to Version 2.49.5

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Ray Davison wrote:

Dr.J.Elz-Fianda via support-seamonkey wrote:

Dear experts,
I have lost all stored passwords.


Broken record alert!  This is a companion to the "I lost my email" cry.

The fix is, get the profile(s) away from the app, to a neutral place, on 
another partition.  You can put them any place and name them anything you 
chose.  My files began life in Netscape, and I have never "lost" them.


I have posted how to do this many times, maybe I should post it somewhere and 
just point to it.


Ray



If you don't back it up before a possible destructive upgrade it can be on the 
moon and would still be trashed.


FRG
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Re: Help! Lost all passwords after upgradimng to Version 2.49.5

[Ray Davison]

Dr.J.Elz-Fianda via support-seamonkey wrote:

Dear experts,
I have lost all stored passwords.


Broken record alert!  This is a companion to the "I lost my email" cry.

The fix is, get the profile(s) away from the app, to a neutral place, on 
another partition.  You can put them any place and name them anything 
you chose.  My files began life in Netscape, and I have never "lost" them.


I have posted how to do this many times, maybe I should post it 
somewhere and just point to it.


Ray

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Re: Help! Lost all passwords after upgradimng to Version 2.49.5

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Dr.J.Elz-Fianda wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son schrieb:

Dr.J.Elz-Fianda wrote:


Having looked at 
https://seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.1/ you have a big 
problem.  Your first start of 2.53.1 reformatted some files and they 
are no longer readable onder the older level.  It is all in the 
release notes above, look for the BIG RED WRITING at the top and the 
(bold) "Data loss warning:".

Suggestion 1: Go back to 2.53.1 again.
Suggestion 2: Take a full profile backup if you want to try and repair 
things, you are probably out of luck there but at least you should not 
do any further damage.



2 other questions:
How is a backup of SeaMonkey internal data gone ? The old MozBackup 
doesn't work more.

If I go to 2.53.1 again will I have my old passwords useable again ?
thanks for help




FRG knows far more about this stuff than I do, as does Rainer 
Nicht-existente-Stadt-in-NRW.


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Re: Help! Lost all passwords after upgradimng to Version 2.49.5

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Dr.J.Elz-Fianda wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son schrieb:

Dr.J.Elz-Fianda wrote:


Having looked at https://seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.1/ you 
have a big problem.  Your first start of 2.53.1 reformatted some files and 
they are no longer readable onder the older level.  It is all in the release 
notes above, look for the BIG RED WRITING at the top and the (bold) "Data 
loss warning:".

Suggestion 1: Go back to 2.53.1 again.
Suggestion 2: Take a full profile backup if you want to try and repair 
things, you are probably out of luck there but at least you should not do 
any further damage.



2 other questions:
How is a backup of SeaMonkey internal data gone ? The old MozBackup doesn't 
work more.

If I go to 2.53.1 again will I have my old passwords useable again ?
thanks for help



Nothing personal but that is what happens when you ignore release notes and 
warnings. If in doubt don't upgrade blindly.
Your passwords are still in the profile 2.49.5 is unable to read the new 
databases but also does not know about them. Before you go to 2.53.1 again 
delete cert8.db and key3.db from your profile. The new ones are cer9.db and 
key4.db. Do a full backup before just in case. Hopefully logins.json is still ok.


The problem with Seession Manager is also in the release notes.  It needs to 
be fixed by the author but can also be fixed up manually by editing a file 
inside the xpi archive (which is actually a zip file.


FRG
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Re: Help! Lost all passwords after upgradimng to Version 2.49.5

[Dr.J.Elz-Fianda via support-seamonkey]

Don Spam's Reckless Son schrieb:

Dr.J.Elz-Fianda wrote:


Having looked at https://seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.1/ you have a big problem.  Your first start of 2.53.1 reformatted some files and they are no longer readable onder the older level.  It is all in the release notes above, look for the 
BIG RED WRITING at the top and the (bold) "Data loss warning:".

Suggestion 1: Go back to 2.53.1 again.
Suggestion 2: Take a full profile backup if you want to try and repair things, 
you are probably out of luck there but at least you should not do any further 
damage.


2 other questions:
How is a backup of SeaMonkey internal data gone ? The old MozBackup doesn't 
work more.
If I go to 2.53.1 again will I have my old passwords useable again ?
thanks for help


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Re: Help! Lost all passwords after upgradimng to Version 2.49.5

[Dr.J.Elz-Fianda via support-seamonkey]

Don Spam's Reckless Son schrieb:



Having looked at https://seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.1/ you have a big problem.  Your first start of 2.53.1 reformatted some files and they are no longer readable onder the older level.  It is all in the release notes above, look for the 
BIG RED WRITING at the top and the (bold) "Data loss warning:".

Suggestion 1: Go back to 2.53.1 again.
Suggestion 2: Take a full profile backup if you want to try and repair things, 
you are probably out of luck there but at least you should not do any further 
damage.



thanks very much. I could try to restore the files from an old backup if i 
would know the file names and locations.
If I migrate to 2.53.1 again, is there any chance to export the password 
collection, e.g. to FireFox ?
YS
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Re: Help! Lost all passwords after upgradimng to Version 2.49.5

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Dr.J.Elz-Fianda wrote:

Dear experts,
I had upgraded from Version 2.43 to version 2.53.1. That worked o.k. but 
the session manager did not do it. It stored the visited sites after a 
crash and diyplayed the lsit at new start bit the selcted sites wouldn't 
be loaded.

Therefor I gone back to Version 2.49.5.
My session manager waorks again but I have lost all stored passwords.
How can I get them back again ?= They are stored somewhere but I don*t 
remember under which file name and in which directory.

Thanks for help.
Jochen



Having looked at https://seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.1/ 
you have a big problem.  Your first start of 2.53.1 reformatted some 
files and they are no longer readable onder the older level.  It is all 
in the release notes above, look for the BIG RED WRITING at the top and 
the (bold) "Data loss warning:".

Suggestion 1: Go back to 2.53.1 again.
Suggestion 2: Take a full profile backup if you want to try and repair 
things, you are probably out of luck there but at least you should not 
do any further damage.


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Help! Lost all passwords after upgradimng to Version 2.49.5

[Dr.J.Elz-Fianda via support-seamonkey]

Dear experts,
I had upgraded from Version 2.43 to version 2.53.1. That worked o.k. but the 
session manager did not do it. It stored the visited sites after a crash and 
diyplayed the lsit at new start bit the selcted sites wouldn't be loaded.
Therefor I gone back to Version 2.49.5.
My session manager waorks again but I have lost all stored passwords.
How can I get them back again ?= They are stored somewhere but I don*t remember 
under which file name and in which directory.
Thanks for help.
Jochen

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Re: Need help to upgrade latest Seamonkey

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On 12/09/19 00:23, jprin...@gmail.com wrote:

There's a message in SM advising I update to the latest V2.49.5
I downloaded the appropriate version (Linux x64 British English) and extracted 
the files. I see one named updater but clicking on it does nothing.
I can't find newbie instructions and seek some guidance.
My distro is MX-18.3_x64 Continuum.


MX is based on Debian, instructions for which are at 
.


You'll want to add the British English language pack. There don't seem 
to be any for 2.49.5 but I installed the 2.49.4 pack 
.


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Need help to upgrade latest Seamonkey

[jprincic]

There's a message in SM advising I update to the latest V2.49.5
I downloaded the appropriate version (Linux x64 British English) and extracted 
the files. I see one named updater but clicking on it does nothing.
I can't find newbie instructions and seek some guidance.
My distro is MX-18.3_x64 Continuum.
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Looking for some basic help

[Mark Saunders]

HI, I’ve been using Dreamweaver with my MacBook Pro and would like to switch to 
SeaMonkey.

Dreamweaver has a window that has my entire site hierarchy on my computer so 
when I alter an existing page, the program knows exactly where to publish it.
Does Seamonkey have anything like this?

Is there a way in Seamonkey to download my entire site from the web to my 
computer to establish my local site from which to alter pages and publish as 
described above?

Thanks,
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Re: Help for Seamonkey POP3 mail account settings

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WaltS48 wrote:

On 5/29/19 3:12 PM, leocfior...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello people,

I've recently downloaded and installed the latest SeaMonkey Windows 
setup package and fortunately most of it works fine, except for one 
thing: I just can't send e-mails with the server setup recommended by 
the local corporate TI department. Maybe it could be something related 
to the corporate server which involves technical details beyond a 
simple port configuration. Neither used port currently works with me - 
neither default SeaMonkey port (port number 587) nor local corporate 
TI department's port (port 25). Please help ASAP.


Leonardo



What are the technical details beyond a simple port configuration for 
the corporate server?


The only details I know required for a SMTP configuration are:

Server Name
Port
User Name
Authentication Method
Connection Security


SM will also prompt you for a password the first time you use it, and 
any time authentication fails. If it succeeds and you told SM to 
remember the password, that's the end of the setup process.


It would be especially helpful if the OP would tell us exactly how he 
can tell it "doesn't work" -- exactly what happens at exactly what stage 
of the process. Without those critical details, we're just guessing.


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Re: Help for Seamonkey POP3 mail account settings

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Rubens wrote:


leocfior...@gmail.com wrote on 29/05/2019 21:12:

Hello people,

I've recently downloaded and installed the latest SeaMonkey Windows
 setup package and fortunately most of it works fine, except for
one thing: I just can't send e-mails with the server setup
recommended by the local corporate TI department. Maybe it could be
something related to the corporate server which involves technical
details beyond a simple port configuration. Neither used port
currently works with me - neither default SeaMonkey port (port
number 587) nor local corporate TI department's port (port 25).
Please help ASAP.

Leonardo



Please try also port 465, check whether your corporate SMTP server 
requires any authentication different than the one used for receiving

e-mails and confirm the connection security requirements
(None/STARTTLS/SSL-TLS).


My long and consistent experience with SM has been that if the SMTP 
server requires a different password, SM will prompt me, and I supply 
the password and tell SM to remember it. The program saves POP and SMTP 
passwords separately, even if they're identical, so one can be changed 
without affecting the other and the presence/accuracy of one has nothing 
to do with the presence/accuracy of the other.


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Re: Help for Seamonkey POP3 mail account settings

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On 5/29/19 3:12 PM, leocfior...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello people,

I've recently downloaded and installed the latest SeaMonkey Windows setup 
package and fortunately most of it works fine, except for one thing: I just 
can't send e-mails with the server setup recommended by the local corporate TI 
department. Maybe it could be something related to the corporate server which 
involves technical details beyond a simple port configuration. Neither used 
port currently works with me - neither default SeaMonkey port (port number 587) 
nor local corporate TI department's port (port 25). Please help ASAP.

Leonardo



What are the technical details beyond a simple port configuration for 
the corporate server?


The only details I know required for a SMTP configuration are:

Server Name
Port
User Name
Authentication Method
Connection Security


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Re: Help for Seamonkey POP3 mail account settings

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leocfior...@gmail.com wrote on 29/05/2019 21:12:

Hello people,

I've recently downloaded and installed the latest SeaMonkey Windows setup 
package and fortunately most of it works fine, except for one thing: I just 
can't send e-mails with the server setup recommended by the local corporate TI 
department. Maybe it could be something related to the corporate server which 
involves technical details beyond a simple port configuration. Neither used 
port currently works with me - neither default SeaMonkey port (port number 587) 
nor local corporate TI department's port (port 25). Please help ASAP.

Leonardo



Please try also port 465, check whether your corporate SMTP server requires any 
authentication different than the one used for receiving e-mails
and confirm the connection security requirements (None/STARTTLS/SSL-TLS).

Rubens
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Re: Help for Seamonkey POP3 mail account settings

[Jonathan N. Little]

Ray_Net wrote:
> leocfior...@gmail.com wrote on 29-05-19 21:12:
>> Hello people,
>>
>> I've recently downloaded and installed the latest SeaMonkey Windows
>> setup package and fortunately most of it works fine, except for one
>> thing: I just can't send e-mails with the server setup recommended by
>> the local corporate TI department. Maybe it could be something related
>> to the corporate server which involves technical details beyond a
>> simple port configuration. Neither used port currently works with me -
>> neither default SeaMonkey port (port number 587) nor local corporate
>> TI department's port (port 25). Please help ASAP.
>>
>> Leonardo
> For reading mail, you can do it by connecting to your isp POP3 server -
> BUT if you want to send, you need to access your isp SMTP server.
> You isp must give you all the needed settings.

Port 587 is for the SMTP submission port, receiving POP ports are 110
and 995 for SSL/TLS. Port 25 should not be used for SMTP on a client,
that is for server to server transport and many ISP's block port 25.

Things to check for your SMTP Outgoing settings and confirm with your IT
dept:

1) Server name: mail.example.com, pop.example.com, pop3.example.com, etc.

2) Port typically should be 587, the submission port with STARTTLS for
security, using 465 with SSL/TLS is deprecated and really discouraged.

3) Username: Some require just the username but others require full with
domain "usern...@example.com"

Confirm the above and see if it works...


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Re: Help for Seamonkey POP3 mail account settings

[Ray_Net]

leocfior...@gmail.com wrote on 29-05-19 21:12:

Hello people,

I've recently downloaded and installed the latest SeaMonkey Windows setup 
package and fortunately most of it works fine, except for one thing: I just 
can't send e-mails with the server setup recommended by the local corporate TI 
department. Maybe it could be something related to the corporate server which 
involves technical details beyond a simple port configuration. Neither used 
port currently works with me - neither default SeaMonkey port (port number 587) 
nor local corporate TI department's port (port 25). Please help ASAP.

Leonardo
For reading mail, you can do it by connecting to your isp POP3 server - 
BUT if you want to send, you need to access your isp SMTP server.

You isp must give you all the needed settings.
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Help for Seamonkey POP3 mail account settings

[leocfiorini]

Hello people,

I've recently downloaded and installed the latest SeaMonkey Windows setup 
package and fortunately most of it works fine, except for one thing: I just 
can't send e-mails with the server setup recommended by the local corporate TI 
department. Maybe it could be something related to the corporate server which 
involves technical details beyond a simple port configuration. Neither used 
port currently works with me - neither default SeaMonkey port (port number 587) 
nor local corporate TI department's port (port 25). Please help ASAP.

Leonardo
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Re: Staying alive - how can I help?

[Reiner Schug]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

It is the usual spiel. Abuse bla bla bla and we won't have this. Even with irc
you can kick and moderate users. This is imho just another attempt to silence
opinions they don't like. Bet the newsgroups will follow.


You can also /ignore users and when you (mozilla.org) have control over
all the servers on a network you can implement whatever
blocking / auth features you want.

Only the devs need a backlog. Is it too hard to use a bouncer?

Mozilla mission:
"Our mission is to ensure the Internet is a global public resource,
open and accessible to all."

cool.. and then use Slack as communication channel..

It's sad how Firefox is almost unusable now for me..
- stupid preferences UI
- kill many easily accssible add-ons from the toolbar by banning them
   into the right top corner
- no longer show the protocol in the urlbar
- no longer show the main menu
- removed stuff from the right click menu

:/

ciao..





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Re: Staying alive - how can I help?

[Daniel]

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 29/04/2019 6:15 PM:

Reiner Schug wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

What is needed mostly are helping hands. No volunteers/devs no

SeaMonkey in

the long term. You can only do so much with money if you don't
have

the time

to support paid people.

Mozilla is completely nuts...

now they will shutdown their IRC servers, because "In short, it’s
no longer practical or responsible for us to keep that forum
alive."

http://exple.tive.org/blarg/2019/04/26/synchronous-text/

they have millions of $$$, morons... next: shutdown newsgroups?

tell me where I can help, 20+ years using SM, Mozilla Suite,
Netscape C/C++/Web

ciao..



I read the article you linked to and you seem to have missed the
point. Quoting from it:


Q: Why are we moving away from IRC? IRC is fine! A: IRC is not
fine.

Q: Seriously? You’re kidding, right? A: I’m dead serious.


The rest of the article explains why this is to be considered so, and
 yes - spam is part of that.

Gee, if we closed things down because of SPAM, we'd close IRC, E-mail 
and Web Browsing  oh, and Snail Mail as well!! ;-P


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