Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
zfhgfhfj wrote: NoOp wrote: Sort of like 'Where's Waldo'[1] ... See how many clicks pages it takes you to find the SeaMonkey pages. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/ Nope. Not there. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/ Nope. Not there. SeaMonkey isn't a Product. Hint: You can indeed get to a page with SeaMonkey on it from there... see how easy it is for you to find it. When you do get to the page, SeaMonkey is spelled 'Seamonkey'. Not only do Mozilla dis SeaMonkey by hiding it three obscure pages in, but then they spell it with a lowercase 'm'. My we are a select special project group aren't we? [1] http://www.findwaldo.com/ http://waldo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Yes, I complained about this to Mozilla and they said if SeaMonkey hit 1 million download they'd put it next to Firefox on their front page, which is BS since people can't find it easily, I told them that and that previously SeaMonkey was next to FireFox on Mozilla front page, but they played the fool. I think is because Goocle Chrome passed FireFox downloads in 1 month/week and they want to boost FF download number. Philosophically, I think this boils down to two things. 1. The desire of Mozilla to promote Firefox as a brand and downgrade SeaMonkey to a project rather than a product. It's a brand identity thing. 2. The SeaMonkey brand is little known in the community comparatively. And Mozilla probably (I'm guessing now) would rather not detract from the Firefox brand by acknowledging SeaMonkey's existence at all. It is the little engine that could. But they give it scant support so how could they support it other than Web resources, developmental infrastructure, etc. and still achieve their desired branding goal of having Firefox be their premier product? They can't. Just my tow cents, adjusted for inflation. Personally, I find this and affront. Practically? I understand. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ All that glitters has a high refractive index. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
NoOp wrote: Sort of like 'Where's Waldo'[1] ... See how many clicks pages it takes you to find the SeaMonkey pages. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/ Nope. Not there. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/ Nope. Not there. SeaMonkey isn't a Product. Hint: You can indeed get to a page with SeaMonkey on it from there... see how easy it is for you to find it. When you do get to the page, SeaMonkey is spelled 'Seamonkey'. Not only do Mozilla dis SeaMonkey by hiding it three obscure pages in, but then they spell it with a lowercase 'm'. My we are a select special project group aren't we? [1] http://www.findwaldo.com/ http://waldo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Yes, I complained about this to Mozilla and they said if SeaMonkey hit 1 million download they'd put it next to Firefox on their front page, which is BS since people can't find it easily, I told them that and that previously SeaMonkey was next to FireFox on Mozilla front page, but they played the fool. I think is because Goocle Chrome passed FireFox downloads in 1 month/week and they want to boost FF download number. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
Robert Kaiser wrote: Daniel schrieb: Jens, can I ask Why the -project in www.seamonkey-project.org? Why not just www,seamonkey.org from the get-go?? (which, apparently, is available, ATT!) It wasn't available. And it would be news to me if it was now. Last time I checked, it was still owned by the same guy that wouldn't hand it over to us, even though he hadn't placed a live site under that domain for ages. And apparently that's still true, I just checked again. Robert Kaiser You could be right, Kairo, I just plugged www.seamonkey.org into the browser and it came up empty. -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
»Q« wrote: On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:23:40 +1000 Daniel d...@albury.nospam.net.au wrote: Some would suggest that Mozilla.org would not display SeaMonkey prominently because Mozilla don't produce/develop it. I wonder if Mozilla will now (or after V16) de-list Thunderbird, as they will be stopping development of it, and just link to it as a contributed product (or whatever), as they do for SeaMonkey?? I haven't seen anything about Thunderbird no longer being a Mozilla product, just Mozilla no longer trying to add innovation to it. Do you have a link? No, Q, just the talk here about Moz only doing future security updates for TB, any other dev being handed over to the community. -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
Dan B. wrote: Philip TAYLOR wrote: NoOp wrote: See how many clicks pages it takes you to find the SeaMonkey pages. Mozilla.Org/Products/more awesome software/Seamonkey Not too hard. Yes, that IS too hard. When a reader gets to the listing of the other Mozilla (Firefox) and the other Mozilla e-mail client (Thunderbird), you should see SeaMonkey. (You're apparently thinking of the hardness of clicking along on a path you already know (and still remember). That's not the relevant case.) Daniel No, I think NoOp was commenting on how hard it was to locate any reference i.e. locate the path, to SeaMonkey on the Mozilla pages. -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
On 08/23/2012 08:23 AM, Daniel wrote: Dan B. wrote: »Q« wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 20:45:42 -0700 NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net.invalid wrote: On 08/10/2012 08:41 PM, Michael Gordon wrote: ... Try using Google as your friend. Enter SeaMonkey in lower case, upper case, or mixed case; only the letter spelling will count, and then maybe not. Are you serious? Never mind, I reckon you are. Thanks for playing anyway. IMO, it's the best reply yet. ISTM that's what the overwhelming majority of new or prospective SeaMonkey users will do, not dry to drill down to it from mozilla.org's front page. That only applies to users who already know they want SeaMonkey. What about the people who don't know about SeaMonkey but might choose to use it if, in looking for Firefox and/or Thunderbird, see SeaMonkey listed as sibling product? (By the way, earlier today I tried to find SeaMonkey by starting at mozilla.org and wondered why it was so damn hard to find SeaMonkey.) Would talking the people in charge of Mozilla's main portals into featuring SeaMonkey more prominently there really help the project at this point? I don't know that it would help much, but it would almost certainly help some. Daniel Some would suggest that Mozilla.org would not display SeaMonkey prominently because Mozilla don't produce/develop it. I wonder if Mozilla will now (or after V16) de-list Thunderbird, as they will be stopping development of it, and just link to it as a contributed product (or whatever), as they do for SeaMonkey?? It may join the list of Mozilla based products found here. http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/projects/mozilla-based/ which is from the link in, See even more awesome software based on Mozilla technologies., found near the bottom of http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/ -- WaltS using Fedora 17 (64-bit) KDE 4.8.5 Thunderbird Beta ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
WLS wrote: See even more awesome software based on Mozilla technologies. Awesome ? Do Mozilla copywriters have any idea what awe really is, or do they just use hyperbole in the hopes that there will be at least one person in the world stupid enough to believe them ? Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
On 08/23/2012 08:52 AM, Philip TAYLOR wrote: WLS wrote: See even more awesome software based on Mozilla technologies. Awesome ? Do Mozilla copywriters have any idea what awe really is, or do they just use hyperbole in the hopes that there will be at least one person in the world stupid enough to believe them ? Philip Taylor I was just looking over the awesome software based on Mozilla technologies, and came across an email application called Zimbra Desktop, and had to try it. Looks nice for an email only application. -- WaltS using Fedora 17 (64-bit) KDE 4.8.5 Thunderbird Daily Free Pussy Riot! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
On 8/23/12 5:41 AM, WLS wrote: On 08/23/2012 08:23 AM, Daniel wrote: Dan B. wrote: »Q« wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 20:45:42 -0700 NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net.invalid wrote: On 08/10/2012 08:41 PM, Michael Gordon wrote: ... Try using Google as your friend. Enter SeaMonkey in lower case, upper case, or mixed case; only the letter spelling will count, and then maybe not. Are you serious? Never mind, I reckon you are. Thanks for playing anyway. IMO, it's the best reply yet. ISTM that's what the overwhelming majority of new or prospective SeaMonkey users will do, not dry to drill down to it from mozilla.org's front page. That only applies to users who already know they want SeaMonkey. What about the people who don't know about SeaMonkey but might choose to use it if, in looking for Firefox and/or Thunderbird, see SeaMonkey listed as sibling product? (By the way, earlier today I tried to find SeaMonkey by starting at mozilla.org and wondered why it was so damn hard to find SeaMonkey.) Would talking the people in charge of Mozilla's main portals into featuring SeaMonkey more prominently there really help the project at this point? I don't know that it would help much, but it would almost certainly help some. Daniel Some would suggest that Mozilla.org would not display SeaMonkey prominently because Mozilla don't produce/develop it. I wonder if Mozilla will now (or after V16) de-list Thunderbird, as they will be stopping development of it, and just link to it as a contributed product (or whatever), as they do for SeaMonkey?? It may join the list of Mozilla based products found here. http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/projects/mozilla-based/ which is from the link in, See even more awesome software based on Mozilla technologies., found near the bottom of http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/ How do I get to http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/ from the home page at http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/? -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
David E. Ross wrote: How do I get to http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/ from the home page at http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/? I find that clicking on the word Products has the desired effect. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
On 08/23/2012 01:21 PM, Philip TAYLOR wrote: David E. Ross wrote: How do I get to http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/ from the home page at http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/? I find that clicking on the word Products has the desired effect. Philip Taylor WFM :) -- WaltS using Fedora 17 (64-bit) KDE 4.8.5 Thunderbird Beta ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
On 8/23/12 10:21 AM, Philip TAYLOR wrote: David E. Ross wrote: How do I get to http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/ from the home page at http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/? I find that clicking on the word Products has the desired effect. Philip Taylor I went to http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/ and did a Find in This Page for Products (yes, without the quote marks). That word does not appear on the page. In the top-right corner of http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/, there is the word Mozilla with a V. Selecting that, a header area appears with a list of Products and other lists. However, Products is not a link; and clicking it does not have any effect. Instead, to the left of the Products list is a list headed Mozilla. Under that list is Projects. To get the Mozilla Products — Built by us, for the Web — mozilla.org page, it is necessary to select Projects. This is clearly NOT intuitive. Since when do Projects = Products? And if they do equal each other, why in the header area are they in separate lists? -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
David E. Ross wrote: On 8/23/12 10:21 AM, Philip TAYLOR wrote: I find that clicking on the word Products has the desired effect. Philip Taylor I went to http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/ and did a Find in This Page for Products (yes, without the quote marks). That word does not appear on the page. I see these words at the very top of the page (no need for search) : Mission About Products Get Involved All are hyperlinks. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
On 8/23/12 11:43 AM, Philip TAYLOR wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 8/23/12 10:21 AM, Philip TAYLOR wrote: I find that clicking on the word Products has the desired effect. Philip Taylor I went to http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/ and did a Find in This Page for Products (yes, without the quote marks). That word does not appear on the page. I see these words at the very top of the page (no need for search) : Mission About Products Get Involved All are hyperlinks. Philip Taylor When I go to http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/, I get the page displayed as shown at http://www.rossde.com/test/www.mozilla.org-1.jpg. Note that the vertical scrollbar in the image is to the top. Nothing is hidden above what you see. I then select the link Mozilla (around which I have drawn a red line). That changes the display to what is shown at http://www.rossde.com/test/www.mozilla.org-2.jpg. Note that the word Products does NOT appear under the Mozilla list. Instead, the word Projects appears (around which I have drawn another red line). I notice that you are in the UK. Is it possible that http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/ and http://www.mozilla.org/en-UK/ are different? I cannot get the latter; all attempts revert back to the former. I'm not even sure there is a http://www.mozilla.org/en-UK/. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
David E. Ross wrote: When I go to http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/, I get the page displayed as shown at http://www.rossde.com/test/www.mozilla.org-1.jpg. Note that the vertical scrollbar in the image is to the top. Nothing is hidden above what you see. Whereas what I see is at : http://philip-taylor.org/Resources/Images/Screen-Captures/Fullscreen%20capture%2023082012%20203329.jpg (sorry about the spaces : Picasa artifact). But as you can see in both, Mozilla is proudly Different by design, so perhaps they serve a different page to each and every visitor ... P.S. No, I am visiting the en-US site, not a local variant thereof. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
On 08/23/2012 03:43 PM, Philip TAYLOR wrote: David E. Ross wrote: When I go to http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/, I get the page displayed as shown at http://www.rossde.com/test/www.mozilla.org-1.jpg. Note that the vertical scrollbar in the image is to the top. Nothing is hidden above what you see. Whereas what I see is at : http://philip-taylor.org/Resources/Images/Screen-Captures/Fullscreen%20capture%2023082012%20203329.jpg (sorry about the spaces : Picasa artifact). But as you can see in both, Mozilla is proudly Different by design, so perhaps they serve a different page to each and every visitor ... P.S. No, I am visiting the en-US site, not a local variant thereof. Philip Taylor Seeing the same as you Phillip, and you beat me to posting a screenshot. -- WaltS using Fedora 17 (64-bit) KDE 4.8.5 Thunderbird Release Free Pussy Riot! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
WLS wrote: Seeing the same as you Phillip, and you beat me to posting a screenshot. Effect of UA override, perhaps ? general.useragent.override : Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.11 Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
Philip TAYLOR wrote: WLS wrote: Seeing the same as you Phillip, and you beat me to posting a screenshot. Effect of UA override, perhaps ? general.useragent.override : Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.11 Philip Taylor Well, I was testing it with Firefox, but see the same page using SeaMonkey. Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120717 Firefox/14.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.11 If you are not aware of SeaMonkey, it would be kind of hard to be using it to open mozilla.org. ymmv -- WaltS using Fedora 17 (64-bit) KDE 4.8.5 SeaMonkey Release Free Pussy Riot! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:06:42 -0400 Dan B. d...@kempt.net wrote: »Q« wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 20:45:42 -0700 NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net.invalid wrote: On 08/10/2012 08:41 PM, Michael Gordon wrote: ... Try using Google as your friend. Enter SeaMonkey in lower case, upper case, or mixed case; only the letter spelling will count, and then maybe not. Are you serious? Never mind, I reckon you are. Thanks for playing anyway. IMO, it's the best reply yet. ISTM that's what the overwhelming majority of new or prospective SeaMonkey users will do, not dry to drill down to it from mozilla.org's front page. That only applies to users who already know they want SeaMonkey. Yeah, that was the context of the discussion that went before; the OP was talking about people who were looking for SeaMonkey. What about the people who don't know about SeaMonkey but might choose to use it if, in looking for Firefox and/or Thunderbird, see SeaMonkey listed as sibling product? For people who come to their site looking for Firefox, Mozilla is trying to give them the experience of finding it quickly without having to see stuff about anything else, including SeaMonkey. IMO, that's what they should be doing, but you know what they say about opinions ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:23:40 +1000 Daniel d...@albury.nospam.net.au wrote: Some would suggest that Mozilla.org would not display SeaMonkey prominently because Mozilla don't produce/develop it. I wonder if Mozilla will now (or after V16) de-list Thunderbird, as they will be stopping development of it, and just link to it as a contributed product (or whatever), as they do for SeaMonkey?? I haven't seen anything about Thunderbird no longer being a Mozilla product, just Mozilla no longer trying to add innovation to it. Do you have a link? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
On 8/23/12 12:43 PM, Philip TAYLOR wrote: David E. Ross wrote: When I go to http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/, I get the page displayed as shown at http://www.rossde.com/test/www.mozilla.org-1.jpg. Note that the vertical scrollbar in the image is to the top. Nothing is hidden above what you see. Whereas what I see is at : http://philip-taylor.org/Resources/Images/Screen-Captures/Fullscreen%20capture%2023082012%20203329.jpg (sorry about the spaces : Picasa artifact). But as you can see in both, Mozilla is proudly Different by design, so perhaps they serve a different page to each and every visitor ... P.S. No, I am visiting the en-US site, not a local variant thereof. Philip Taylor Windows XP SP3 Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120715 SeaMonkey/2.11 I launched SeaMonkey 2.11 in Safe Mode. I set preferences for all images, all cookies, and enabling Advertise Firefox compatibility. On visiting http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/, I see what your image shows, but only for one or two seconds. Then, the display flickers and appears per my image. Can you please try this same test? Is it possible that you and I are looking at different mirrors of the site? For me, http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/ is at 63.245.217.105. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
Interviewed by CNN on 13/08/2012 09:41, Daniel told the world: Robert Kaiser wrote: You could be right, Kairo, I just plugged www.seamonkey.org into the browser and it came up empty. Try using a more comprehensive tool that includes WHOIS data, such as http://network-tools.com/ to research a domain. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my HP LaserJet. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.11 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
On 8/13/12 7:34 AM, MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 13/08/2012 09:41, Daniel told the world: Robert Kaiser wrote: You could be right, Kairo, I just plugged www.seamonkey.org into the browser and it came up empty. Try using a more comprehensive tool that includes WHOIS data, such as http://network-tools.com/ to research a domain. WhoIs - Monday, August 13, 2012 07:59:27 Generated by CyberKit Version 2.5 Copyright © 1996-2000 by Luc Neijens Hostname: whois-servers.net Query: seamonkey.org Port: 43 GeekTools Whois Proxy v5.0.5 Ready. Checking access for 76.173.9.48... ok. Checking server [whois.publicinterestregistry.net] Results: Domain ID:D94433228-LROR Domain Name:SEAMONKEY.ORG Created On:12-Feb-2003 02:27:14 UTC Last Updated On:17-Jan-2012 23:15:53 UTC Expiration Date:12-Feb-2013 02:27:14 UTC Sponsoring Registrar:eNom, Inc. (R39-LROR) Status:OK Registrant ID:6f91e84b3a1 Registrant Name:Warren Yang Registrant Street1:1518 Klamath Dr Registrant City:Sunnyvale Registrant State/Province:CA Registrant Postal Code:94087 Registrant Country:US Registrant Phone:+1.6506937064 Registrant Email:warr...@gmail.com Admin ID:6f91e84b3a1 Admin Name:Warren Yang Admin Street1:1518 Klamath Dr Admin City:Sunnyvale Admin State/Province:CA Admin Postal Code:94087 Admin Country:US Admin Phone:+1.6506937064 Admin Email:warr...@gmail.com Tech ID:6f91e84b3a1 Tech Name:Warren Yang Tech Street1:1518 Klamath Dr Tech City:Sunnyvale Tech State/Province:CA Tech Postal Code:94087 Tech Country:US Tech Phone:+1.6506937064 Tech Email:warr...@gmail.com Name Server:DNSONE.ROADTOAD.NET Name Server:DNSTWO.ROADTOAD.NET DNSSEC:Unsigned Results brought to you by the GeekTools WHOIS Proxy Server results may be copyrighted and are used with permission. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
NoOp schrieb: SeaMonkey isn't a Product. Right. It isn't and never was. It's a volunteer-only project that is only loosely backed by Mozilla with some infrastructure resources. When you do get to the page, SeaMonkey is spelled 'Seamonkey'. Not only do Mozilla dis SeaMonkey by hiding it three obscure pages in, but then they spell it with a lowercase 'm'. That lowercase m on the recently created https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/projects/mozilla-based/ page is a bug and should be reported as such (websites product, mozilla.org component), the site maintainers are surely happy to correct that. My we are a select special project group aren't we? Yes, we are. And an independent one at that. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
Chris Ilias schrieb: The exact URL and number of clicks does not matter in this case. What he said about www.mozilla.org being a portal to all things Mozilla, and SeaMonkey being a small part of Mozilla is what matters. Actually, that changed in the One Mozilla website program, while mozilla.org is still trying to link other initiatives, the team moved back the main product pages of Firefox, Firefox for Android, Thunderbird, and entry pages to other products such as Firefox OS, Persona, etc. into the main mozilla.org site offering, so that it's way heavier in promoting those. Also, with the increase of the Mozilla portfolio to include more products, volunteer-only loosely coupled projects like SeaMonkey have less of a chance to be largely featured. And I'm not even talking yet about which products or projects are more fit to master the challenges of the rapidly changing world of today's web and which are less fit for doing that (hint, for the latter, they might look better there if their contributors would help to make them fit by innovating on top of the established base). Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
Jay Garcia schrieb: I think I can answer that one - maybe. Seamonkey is a marine creature (brine shrimp) No. The trademark SeaMonkey (as well as the logo) is registered by the Mozilla Foundation in the US, EU and Japan for the SeaMonkey project. The brine shrimp are registered as a trademark under Sea-Monkeys, in plural and with a dash in the name. Still, that guy holding the seamonkey.org domain once had and claims to still want to do a page about those brine shrimp and he's been unwilling to hand over the domain so far. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
Robert Kaiser wrote: That lowercase m on the recently created https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/projects/mozilla-based/ page is a bug and should be reported as such (websites product, mozilla.org component), the site maintainers are surely happy to correct that. Filed a bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=782119 Greetings, Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
On 11.08.2012 06:27, Daniel wrote: --- Original Message --- Jens, can I ask Why the -project in www.seamonkey-project.org? Why not just www,seamonkey.org from the get-go?? (which, apparently, is available, ATT!) I think I can answer that one - maybe. Seamonkey is a marine creature (brine shrimp) and if there is just seamonkey.org then how many hits would there be looking for a seamonkey. -- Jay Garcia - www.ufaq.org - Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Thunderbird Mozilla Contribute Coordinator Team - www.mozilla.org/contribute/ Mozilla Mozillian Member - www.mozillians.org Mozilla Contributor Member - www.mozilla.org/credits/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
Jay Garcia wrote: On 11.08.2012 06:27, Daniel wrote: --- Original Message --- Jens, can I ask Why the -project in www.seamonkey-project.org? Why not just www,seamonkey.org from the get-go?? (which, apparently, is available, ATT!) I think I can answer that one - maybe. Seamonkey is a marine creature (brine shrimp) and if there is just seamonkey.org then how many hits would there be looking for a seamonkey. e.g., www.seamonkey.com -- Rob Lindauer - for my real email, please change att to sbc ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 21:27:27 +1000, Daniel wrote: Jens, can I ask Why the -project in www.seamonkey-project.org? Why not just www,seamonkey.org from the get-go?? (which, apparently, is available, ATT!) I don't know about now, but back then there was a domain squatter who wanted $$$ for the domain. I think his registration has expired by now. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
Rob Lindauer wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: On 11.08.2012 06:27, Daniel wrote: --- Original Message --- Jens, can I ask Why the -project in www.seamonkey-project.org? Why not just www,seamonkey.org from the get-go?? (which, apparently, is available, ATT!) I think I can answer that one - maybe. Seamonkey is a marine creature (brine shrimp) and if there is just seamonkey.org then how many hits would there be looking for a seamonkey. e.g., www.seamonkey.com Ahh! hadn't considered that!! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
Jens Hatlak wrote: NoOp wrote: See how many clicks pages it takes you to find the SeaMonkey pages. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/ Nope. Not there. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/ Nope. Not there. SeaMonkey isn't a Product. Exactly. In the past, www.mozilla.org could be perceived as being the site that features anything Mozilla-based, but these times are long gone. (At the latest) since www.mozilla.com has been merged into www.mozilla.org, mozilla.org is the MoCo home and they claim/control the front page contents. These contents cannot be changed by everyone (unlike with the wiki or developer network sites) so it's a done deal. No point in fighting it. Our website and content is elsewhere, and we have at least full control over that. HTH Jens Jens, can I ask Why the -project in www.seamonkey-project.org? Why not just www,seamonkey.org from the get-go?? (which, apparently, is available, ATT!) -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
Jay Garcia wrote: On 11.08.2012 06:27, Daniel wrote: --- Original Message --- Jens, can I ask Why the -project in www.seamonkey-project.org? Why not just www,seamonkey.org from the get-go?? (which, apparently, is available, ATT!) I think I can answer that one - maybe. Seamonkey is a marine creature (brine shrimp) and if there is just seamonkey.org then how many hits would there be looking for a seamonkey. but, by the same logic, Jay, SeaMonkey-Project could be a project to expand the raising of Seamonkeys, i.e. brine!! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
Daniel schrieb: Jens, can I ask Why the -project in www.seamonkey-project.org? Why not just www,seamonkey.org from the get-go?? (which, apparently, is available, ATT!) It wasn't available. And it would be news to me if it was now. Last time I checked, it was still owned by the same guy that wouldn't hand it over to us, even though he hadn't placed a live site under that domain for ages. And apparently that's still true, I just checked again. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
On 08/10/2012 10:51 PM, Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-08-10 10:17 PM, NoOp wrote: Sort of like 'Where's Waldo'[1] ... See how many clicks pages it takes you to find the SeaMonkey pages. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/ Nope. Not there. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/ Nope. Not there. SeaMonkey isn't a Product. Hint: You can indeed get to a page with SeaMonkey on it from there... see how easy it is for you to find it. When you do get to the page, SeaMonkey is spelled 'Seamonkey'. Not only do Mozilla dis SeaMonkey by hiding it three obscure pages in, but then they spell it with a lowercase 'm'. My we are a select special project group aren't we? [1] http://www.findwaldo.com/ http://waldo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page What Robert told you in 2009 still applies. :) http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/f15eb9bbd7ba75bd Actually it does not. At that time Robert wrote: We are features well on the Our Projects page itself, and we appear on the front page if the screen is large enough (the first versions had usnot even showing up at 1280px width, which I got them to correct as space could fit that easily) and when the user scrolls the projects with the arrows. That's the most we can do. Which is considerably different than now. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
NoOp wrote: See how many clicks pages it takes you to find the SeaMonkey pages. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/ Nope. Not there. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/ Nope. Not there. SeaMonkey isn't a Product. Exactly. In the past, www.mozilla.org could be perceived as being the site that features anything Mozilla-based, but these times are long gone. (At the latest) since www.mozilla.com has been merged into www.mozilla.org, mozilla.org is the MoCo home and they claim/control the front page contents. These contents cannot be changed by everyone (unlike with the wiki or developer network sites) so it's a done deal. No point in fighting it. Our website and content is elsewhere, and we have at least full control over that. HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
NoOp wrote: See how many clicks pages it takes you to find the SeaMonkey pages. Mozilla.Org/Products/more awesome software/Seamonkey Not too hard. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 20:45:42 -0700 NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net.invalid wrote: On 08/10/2012 08:41 PM, Michael Gordon wrote: NoOp wrote: On 08/10/2012 07:40 PM, David E. Ross wrote: On 8/10/12 7:17 PM, NoOp wrote: Sort of like 'Where's Waldo'[1] ... See how many clicks pages it takes you to find the SeaMonkey pages. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/ Nope. Not there. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/ Nope. Not there. SeaMonkey isn't a Product. Hint: You can indeed get to a page with SeaMonkey on it from there... see how easy it is for you to find it. When you do get to the page, SeaMonkey is spelled 'Seamonkey'. Not only do Mozilla dis SeaMonkey by hiding it three obscure pages in, but then they spell it with a lowercase 'm'. My we are a select special project group aren't we? [1]http://www.findwaldo.com/ http://waldo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page SeaMonkey has its own Web domain. The home page in US-English is at http://www.seamonkey-project.org/. I know that, you know that. But if a new/prospective SeaMonkey user goes to the standard Mozilla page tries to find SeaMonkey, how easy do you think it will be? There, it is spelled SeaMonkey. Well of course it is. But it is not on the Mozilla site/page. Try using Google as your friend. Enter SeaMonkey in lower case, upper case, or mixed case; only the letter spelling will count, and then maybe not. Are you serious? Never mind, I reckon you are. Thanks for playing anyway. IMO, it's the best reply yet. ISTM that's what the overwhelming majority of new or prospective SeaMonkey users will do, not dry to drill down to it from mozilla.org's front page. I don't think this will affect anyone other than those looking for reasons to feel slighted by the Corporation/Foundation. Would talking the people in charge of Mozilla's main portals into featuring SeaMonkey more prominently there really help the project at this point? (For the lack of capitalization on the site, a bug report would probably get it fixed. I understand this is kinda beside the point.) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
On 12-08-11 2:02 AM, NoOp wrote: On 08/10/2012 10:51 PM, Chris Ilias wrote: What Robert told you in 2009 still applies. :) http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/f15eb9bbd7ba75bd Actually it does not. At that time Robert wrote: We are features well on the Our Projects page itself, and we appear on the front page if the screen is large enough (the first versions had usnot even showing up at 1280px width, which I got them to correct as space could fit that easily) and when the user scrolls the projects with the arrows. That's the most we can do. Which is considerably different than now. I don't know why you set the followup to mozilla.general. The exact URL and number of clicks does not matter in this case. What he said about www.mozilla.org being a portal to all things Mozilla, and SeaMonkey being a small part of Mozilla is what matters. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
On 8/10/12 7:17 PM, NoOp wrote: Sort of like 'Where's Waldo'[1] ... See how many clicks pages it takes you to find the SeaMonkey pages. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/ Nope. Not there. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/ Nope. Not there. SeaMonkey isn't a Product. Hint: You can indeed get to a page with SeaMonkey on it from there... see how easy it is for you to find it. When you do get to the page, SeaMonkey is spelled 'Seamonkey'. Not only do Mozilla dis SeaMonkey by hiding it three obscure pages in, but then they spell it with a lowercase 'm'. My we are a select special project group aren't we? [1] http://www.findwaldo.com/ http://waldo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page SeaMonkey has its own Web domain. The home page in US-English is at http://www.seamonkey-project.org/. There, it is spelled SeaMonkey. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
On 08/10/2012 07:40 PM, David E. Ross wrote: On 8/10/12 7:17 PM, NoOp wrote: Sort of like 'Where's Waldo'[1] ... See how many clicks pages it takes you to find the SeaMonkey pages. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/ Nope. Not there. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/ Nope. Not there. SeaMonkey isn't a Product. Hint: You can indeed get to a page with SeaMonkey on it from there... see how easy it is for you to find it. When you do get to the page, SeaMonkey is spelled 'Seamonkey'. Not only do Mozilla dis SeaMonkey by hiding it three obscure pages in, but then they spell it with a lowercase 'm'. My we are a select special project group aren't we? [1] http://www.findwaldo.com/ http://waldo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page SeaMonkey has its own Web domain. The home page in US-English is at http://www.seamonkey-project.org/. I know that, you know that. But if a new/prospective SeaMonkey user goes to the standard Mozilla page tries to find SeaMonkey, how easy do you think it will be? There, it is spelled SeaMonkey. Well of course it is. But it is not on the Mozilla site/page. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
NoOp wrote: On 08/10/2012 07:40 PM, David E. Ross wrote: On 8/10/12 7:17 PM, NoOp wrote: Sort of like 'Where's Waldo'[1] ... See how many clicks pages it takes you to find the SeaMonkey pages. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/ Nope. Not there. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/ Nope. Not there. SeaMonkey isn't a Product. Hint: You can indeed get to a page with SeaMonkey on it from there... see how easy it is for you to find it. When you do get to the page, SeaMonkey is spelled 'Seamonkey'. Not only do Mozilla dis SeaMonkey by hiding it three obscure pages in, but then they spell it with a lowercase 'm'. My we are a select special project group aren't we? [1]http://www.findwaldo.com/ http://waldo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page SeaMonkey has its own Web domain. The home page in US-English is at http://www.seamonkey-project.org/. I know that, you know that. But if a new/prospective SeaMonkey user goes to the standard Mozilla page tries to find SeaMonkey, how easy do you think it will be? There, it is spelled SeaMonkey. Well of course it is. But it is not on the Mozilla site/page. Try using Google as your friend. Enter SeaMonkey in lower case, upper case, or mixed case; only the letter spelling will count, and then maybe not. Michael G -- Armadillo Web Development www.armadilloweb.com Cell: 903.244.3644 Opening your Door to Opportunity and inviting the world to walk through. Character is doing the right thing... Even when no one is watching... ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
On 08/10/2012 08:41 PM, Michael Gordon wrote: NoOp wrote: On 08/10/2012 07:40 PM, David E. Ross wrote: On 8/10/12 7:17 PM, NoOp wrote: Sort of like 'Where's Waldo'[1] ... See how many clicks pages it takes you to find the SeaMonkey pages. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/ Nope. Not there. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/ Nope. Not there. SeaMonkey isn't a Product. Hint: You can indeed get to a page with SeaMonkey on it from there... see how easy it is for you to find it. When you do get to the page, SeaMonkey is spelled 'Seamonkey'. Not only do Mozilla dis SeaMonkey by hiding it three obscure pages in, but then they spell it with a lowercase 'm'. My we are a select special project group aren't we? [1]http://www.findwaldo.com/ http://waldo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page SeaMonkey has its own Web domain. The home page in US-English is at http://www.seamonkey-project.org/. I know that, you know that. But if a new/prospective SeaMonkey user goes to the standard Mozilla page tries to find SeaMonkey, how easy do you think it will be? There, it is spelled SeaMonkey. Well of course it is. But it is not on the Mozilla site/page. Try using Google as your friend. Enter SeaMonkey in lower case, upper case, or mixed case; only the letter spelling will count, and then maybe not. Michael G Are you serious? Never mind, I reckon you are. Thanks for playing anyway. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
On 8/10/2012 8:41 PM PT, Michael Gordon typed: Try using Google as your friend. Enter SeaMonkey in lower case, upper case, or mixed case; only the letter spelling will count, and then maybe not. Bah to search engines. We're talking about Mozilla's web site! Even http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/ doesn't list it! Does Mozilla not care about its own multiple suite product? Are they trying to kill it? :( -- The evaluator counts the ants at the picnic of progress. --Mohan Singh /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
Interviewed by CNN on 11/08/2012 01:28, Ant told the world: On 8/10/2012 8:41 PM PT, Michael Gordon typed: Try using Google as your friend. Enter SeaMonkey in lower case, upper case, or mixed case; only the letter spelling will count, and then maybe not. Bah to search engines. We're talking about Mozilla's web site! Even http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/ doesn't list it! Does Mozilla not care about its own multiple suite product? Are they trying to kill it? :( No, they have already killed it -- back in 2005, when the Mozilla Application Suite was discontinued. Seamonkey is *not* an official Mozilla project, although they do lend us a lot of help and resources. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Deep Thought. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.11 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
On 8/10/2012 9:34 PM PT, MCBastos typed: Try using Google as your friend. Enter SeaMonkey in lower case, upper case, or mixed case; only the letter spelling will count, and then maybe not. Bah to search engines. We're talking about Mozilla's web site! Even http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/ doesn't list it! Does Mozilla not care about its own multiple suite product? Are they trying to kill it? :( No, they have already killed it -- back in 2005, when the Mozilla Application Suite was discontinued. Seamonkey is *not* an official Mozilla project, although they do lend us a lot of help and resources. Really? Wow. I didn't know that happened. That sucks. I am surprised it is still alive today even though it is an unofficial project. :( No wonder people never heard of them until I mentioned old school Netscape suite products. -- When you need a helpline for breakfast cereals, it's time to start thinking about tearing down civilization and giving the ants a go. --Chris King in a.s.r. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
On 08/10/2012 09:34 PM, MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 11/08/2012 01:28, Ant told the world: On 8/10/2012 8:41 PM PT, Michael Gordon typed: Try using Google as your friend. Enter SeaMonkey in lower case, upper case, or mixed case; only the letter spelling will count, and then maybe not. Bah to search engines. We're talking about Mozilla's web site! Even http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/ doesn't list it! Does Mozilla not care about its own multiple suite product? Are they trying to kill it? :( No, they have already killed it -- back in 2005, when the Mozilla Application Suite was discontinued. Seamonkey is *not* an official Mozilla project, although they do lend us a lot of help and resources. At least previously they had an easy link to 'Projects' on the front page. Now you have to go through: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/ to https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/ scroll down to the bottom of the page and click on See even more awesome software based on Mozilla technologies. to end up here: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/projects/mozilla-based/ Seems to me that if they do lend a lot of help resources, they'd be kind enough to at least make projects visible again. At least we're not alone...they've also done the same to Lightning, who do not have their own URL: https://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/ The other interesting bit, is that if you are on the calendar page, and click on any 'Projects' link, you end up back here: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/ So they are purposely redirecting any 'projects' url to 'products', which of course confuses the hell out of anyone trying to find 'projects' on the site. I guess it's their site, their rules. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
On 12-08-10 10:17 PM, NoOp wrote: Sort of like 'Where's Waldo'[1] ... See how many clicks pages it takes you to find the SeaMonkey pages. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/ Nope. Not there. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/ Nope. Not there. SeaMonkey isn't a Product. Hint: You can indeed get to a page with SeaMonkey on it from there... see how easy it is for you to find it. When you do get to the page, SeaMonkey is spelled 'Seamonkey'. Not only do Mozilla dis SeaMonkey by hiding it three obscure pages in, but then they spell it with a lowercase 'm'. My we are a select special project group aren't we? [1] http://www.findwaldo.com/ http://waldo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page What Robert told you in 2009 still applies. :) http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/f15eb9bbd7ba75bd -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
