Re: Somewhat afraid to make the change from 1.1.8 to new SeaMonkey
On 2/17/2010 4:41 AM, Frog wrote: I continue to use SeaMonkey version 1.1.8. I have it working like an old shoe. It is doing everything I want it to do, and I understand it fairly well. I know that a day is coming when this version will become limited in accessing some web sites. Thus, I am contemplating installing the latest version of SeaMonkey on my system. I want to continue to use my old 1.1.8 version as my primary, while I make an effort to learn the latest version of SeaMonkey. I understand that I can have both on my system simultaneously without one interfering with the other. I believe I can set the new version up without transferring my address book, bookmarks, mail, etc. to the newer version. Yes, I know that I will have to establish a new profile for the new version. Is there anything incorrect about what I have said to this point? When you migrate your 1.1.X profile into a 2.X profile, your 1.1.X profile is not touched. The information is copied not moved. So when you test your 2.X installation, you can do so with all your 1.1.X profile data like bookmarks, passwords, address book entries, etc. Just keep in mind that any changes made by SeaMonkey to outside resources, like your e-mail server will affect both applications. For example, if you download your e-mail from your mail server to your local machine (not leaving the mail on the server), then the first SM to get it wins. As a result, if you want to test SM 2.X with your actual e-mail server, you probably want to configure it to leave messages on the server, so your live SM 1.1.X version will still be able to get the e-mail messages. Someday, I hope to feel comfortable enough with the new version that I will want to make it my primary. This is where I am not sure of the steps I will be required to take at that time. In my mind, I think I will remove (via add/remove) the new version from my system along with its associated profile. I will then add the new version back to my system and let it move my profile, address book, bookmarks, messages, etc from the 1.1.8 version to the new version. How am I doing with my thinking? Is there a better or easier way of accomplishing this task? It won't move your 1.1.X profile data, it will copy (migrate) it. I suppose I could leave both old and new versions of this software on my system permanently. I would then simply start downloading my messages to the new version and in time it would by default become my primary version. In time, I could then remove the old version and its associated profile. That is certainly an option. Just keep in mind that if one version downloads messages and removes them from the server, the other version won't see the messages. What happens when two profiles are active on the same computer? SeaMonkey will make sure no other instances are running, to make sure you don't hurt yourself. However, you can run SM 2.X while an instance of SM 1.1.X is running, by passing a special command-line parameter - which I'm drawing a blank on at the moment. Perhaps someone else will chime-in and provide it. It's something like --no-remote (I think). Will it ask each time SeaMonkey is opened for the profile to use? SM 1.1.X won't see the SM 2.X profiles. SM 2.X won't see the SM 1.1.X profiles. So, having one profile for each version won't result is either version asking which profile to use. I am guessing that each version will have its own ICON on my desktop and it will open the correct profile for that ICON--is that correct? You can set it up that way, but it won't be set up that way by default. When you install SM 2.x, it assume you want to replace all the existing SM 1.1.X start menu/shortcuts. However, nothing prevents you from setting up any start menus/shortcuts you want. Just remember that you can't run both at the same time unless you deal with the special command-line parameter (mentioned above). If I move from the old to new version, leaving both on my system, is there a way to copy the bookmarks, address book, messages, etc. to the new version? If so, how is this accomplished? What specific files get copied in the old version and where are they placed in the new version? Answered above. Best Regards, ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Somewhat afraid to make the change from 1.1.8 to new SeaMonkey
Mark Hansen wrote: SeaMonkey will make sure no other instances are running, to make sure you don't hurt yourself. However, you can run SM 2.X while an instance of SM 1.1.X is running, by passing a special command-line parameter - which I'm drawing a blank on at the moment. Perhaps someone else will chime-in and provide it. It's something like --no-remote (I think). Close, it's -no-remote (only one leading minus) actually. ;-) https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Command_Line_Options HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Somewhat afraid to make the change from 1.1.8 to new SeaMonkey
I rushed into ver.2 without unistalling ver.1.18 or learning about any installation procedures or command line parameters and royally screwed things up. I had to reinstall WinXP because of disk file errors. I routinely reinstall XP anyway so it wasn't a super big deal, but I lost all my address book entries and bookmarks and had to redownload months of emails from the server. Now I'm using ver.2 and am not happy with all the bugs. Not sure whether to stick with Seamonkey or shift over to Firefox or Opera and Thunderbird. For the moment I'm just hanging in there on the hope that SM2 will eventually even out. And that's assuming that it will be supported adequately by most websites. I'd be glad to hear what others are planning to do in this uncertain situation. Mark Hansen wrote: SeaMonkey will make sure no other instances are running, to make sure you don't hurt yourself. However, you can run SM 2.X while an instance of SM 1.1.X is running, by passing a special command-line parameter - which I'm drawing a blank on at the moment. Perhaps someone else will chime-in and provide it. It's something like --no-remote (I think). Close, it's -no-remote (only one leading minus) actually.;-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Somewhat afraid to make the change from 1.1.8 to new SeaMonkey
Peter Anton a écrit : I routinely reinstall XP anyway so it wasn't a super big deal, but I lost all my address book entries and bookmarks and had to redownload months of emails from the server. That's why I always make a backup of my profile whenever I upgrade or install software. Not just for SM either. It's a good habit that saves a lot of grief. Now I'm using ver.2 and am not happy with all the bugs. What causes you trouble? S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Somewhat afraid to make the change from 1.1.8 to new SeaMonkey
Peter Anton wrote: I rushed into ver.2 without unistalling ver.1.18 or learning about any installation procedures or command line parameters and royally screwed things up. I had to reinstall WinXP because of disk file errors. I routinely reinstall XP anyway so it wasn't a super big deal, but I lost all my address book entries and bookmarks and had to redownload months of emails from the server. Now I'm using ver.2 and am not happy with all the bugs. Not sure whether to stick with Seamonkey or shift over to Firefox or Opera and Thunderbird. For the moment I'm just hanging in there on the hope that SM2 will eventually even out. And that's assuming that it will be supported adequately by most websites. I'd be glad to hear what others are planning to do in this uncertain situation. Mark Hansen wrote: SeaMonkey will make sure no other instances are running, to make sure you don't hurt yourself. However, you can run SM 2.X while an instance of SM 1.1.X is running, by passing a special command-line parameter - which I'm drawing a blank on at the moment. Perhaps someone else will chime-in and provide it. It's something like --no-remote (I think). Close, it's -no-remote (only one leading minus) actually.;-) I had some trouble getting from 18 but since I go thing straightened oit with v2, I have done each update and am now running 2.0.3 with no problems. Stan ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Somewhat afraid to make the change from 1.1.8 to new SeaMonkey
Thank you for responding to my message. I do have a few places where I need a little more clarification. See my comments-questions below. Mark Hansen wrote: On 2/17/2010 4:41 AM, Frog wrote: I continue to use SeaMonkey version 1.1.8. I have it working like an old shoe. It is doing everything I want it to do, and I understand it fairly well. I know that a day is coming when this version will become limited in accessing some web sites. Thus, I am contemplating installing the latest version of SeaMonkey on my system. I want to continue to use my old 1.1.8 version as my primary, while I make an effort to learn the latest version of SeaMonkey. I understand that I can have both on my system simultaneously without one interfering with the other. I believe I can set the new version up without transferring my address book, bookmarks, mail, etc. to the newer version. Yes, I know that I will have to establish a new profile for the new version. Is there anything incorrect about what I have said to this point? When you migrate your 1.1.X profile into a 2.X profile, your 1.1.X profile is not touched. The information is copied not moved. So when you test your 2.X installation, you can do so with all your 1.1.X profile data like bookmarks, passwords, address book entries, etc. I understand. The same profile will be present/available in both versions. Just keep in mind that any changes made by SeaMonkey to outside resources, like your e-mail server will affect both applications. For example, if you download your e-mail from your mail server to your local machine (not leaving the mail on the server), then the first SM to get it wins. As a result, if you want to test SM 2.X with your actual e-mail server, you probably want to configure it to leave messages on the server, so your live SM 1.1.X version will still be able to get the e-mail messages. I understand. I remember a setting that allowed mail to be downloaded without removing it from the server--I will have to locate that setting again. Someday, I hope to feel comfortable enough with the new version that I will want to make it my primary. This is where I am not sure of the steps I will be required to take at that time. In my mind, I think I will remove (via add/remove) the new version from my system along with its associated profile. I will then add the new version back to my system and let it move my profile, address book, bookmarks, messages, etc from the 1.1.8 version to the new version. How am I doing with my thinking? Is there a better or easier way of accomplishing this task? It won't move your 1.1.X profile data, it will copy (migrate) it. I am not sure I understand this action. I know that all of my messages will be present on my old SeaMonkey application on decision day (the day I decide to move to the new version of SeaMonkey), but only some of the total messages will be present on my new version of SeaMonkey. What are the steps I will be required to take in order to make all of the messages on the old version appear on the new version at that time? I know that my profile is located at C:\Documents and Settings\frog\application Data\Mozilla\Profiles. I also know that my mail messages are also included under this Profile. I suppose I could leave both old and new versions of this software on my system permanently. I would then simply start downloading my messages to the new version and in time it would by default become my primary version. In time, I could then remove the old version and its associated profile. That is certainly an option. Just keep in mind that if one version downloads messages and removes them from the server, the other version won't see the messages. Understand. I will have to cause the old version to leave the messages on the server and cause the new version to remove the messages when the switch is made. What happens when two profiles are active on the same computer? SeaMonkey will make sure no other instances are running, to make sure you don't hurt yourself. However, you can run SM 2.X while an instance of SM 1.1.X is running, by passing a special command-line parameter - which I'm drawing a blank on at the moment. Perhaps someone else will chime-in and provide it. It's something like --no-remote (I think). I'm not sure I will want to take this action--not sure enough of my technical skills to take this action at this time. Will it ask each time SeaMonkey is opened for the profile to use? SM 1.1.X won't see the SM 2.X profiles. SM 2.X won't see the SM 1.1.X profiles. So, having one profile for each version won't result is either version asking which profile to use. I will likely employ the same profile information on both versions. I am guessing that each version will have its own ICON on my desktop and it will open the correct profile for that ICON--is that correct? You can set it up that way, but it won't be set up that way by
Re: Somewhat afraid to make the change from 1.1.8 to new SeaMonkey
Jens Hatlak wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: SeaMonkey will make sure no other instances are running, to make sure you don't hurt yourself. However, you can run SM 2.X while an instance of SM 1.1.X is running, by passing a special command-line parameter - which I'm drawing a blank on at the moment. Perhaps someone else will chime-in and provide it. It's something like --no-remote (I think). Close, it's -no-remote (only one leading minus) actually. ;-) https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Command_Line_Options HTH Jens Thanks for the information. I will attempt to understand this before I take any steps to make it happen. I do like the idea of being able to have both SeaMonkey versions active at the same time; however, not at the expense of doing something that causes both systems to stop working. Frog ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Somewhat afraid to make the change from 1.1.8 to new SeaMonkey
Frog wrote: Thank you for responding to my message. I do have a few places where I need a little more clarification. See my comments-questions below. ---snip--- As a result, if you want to test SM 2.X with your actual e-mail server, you probably want to configure it to leave messages on the server, so your live SM 1.1.X version will still be able to get the e-mail messages. I understand. I remember a setting that allowed mail to be downloaded without removing it from the server--I will have to locate that setting again. The setting is leave messages on sever you have to go into mail newsgroup account settings. then server settings. click leave messages on server and also tick until I delete them. You have to for each email box, and and each newsgroup server. ---snip--- Best Regards, Thanks very much for your help. I would be lost, if it were not for individuals like yourself helping me with my problems. Frog -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Somewhat afraid to make the change from 1.1.8 to new SeaMonkey
On 2/17/2010 3:03 PM, Frog wrote: Thank you for responding to my message. I do have a few places where I need a little more clarification. See my comments-questions below. Mark Hansen wrote: On 2/17/2010 4:41 AM, Frog wrote: I continue to use SeaMonkey version 1.1.8. I have it working like an old shoe. It is doing everything I want it to do, and I understand it fairly well. I know that a day is coming when this version will become limited in accessing some web sites. Thus, I am contemplating installing the latest version of SeaMonkey on my system. I want to continue to use my old 1.1.8 version as my primary, while I make an effort to learn the latest version of SeaMonkey. I understand that I can have both on my system simultaneously without one interfering with the other. I believe I can set the new version up without transferring my address book, bookmarks, mail, etc. to the newer version. Yes, I know that I will have to establish a new profile for the new version. Is there anything incorrect about what I have said to this point? When you migrate your 1.1.X profile into a 2.X profile, your 1.1.X profile is not touched. The information is copied not moved. So when you test your 2.X installation, you can do so with all your 1.1.X profile data like bookmarks, passwords, address book entries, etc. I understand. The same profile will be present/available in both versions. No. Once you migrate the 1.1.X profile data into your 2.X profile, you will have two completely separate profiles, your original 1.1.X profile (unchanged by the migration) and the new 2.X profile (created using the 1.1.X profile data as a starting point). Just keep in mind that any changes made by SeaMonkey to outside resources, like your e-mail server will affect both applications. For example, if you download your e-mail from your mail server to your local machine (not leaving the mail on the server), then the first SM to get it wins. As a result, if you want to test SM 2.X with your actual e-mail server, you probably want to configure it to leave messages on the server, so your live SM 1.1.X version will still be able to get the e-mail messages. I understand. I remember a setting that allowed mail to be downloaded without removing it from the server--I will have to locate that setting again. Someday, I hope to feel comfortable enough with the new version that I will want to make it my primary. This is where I am not sure of the steps I will be required to take at that time. In my mind, I think I will remove (via add/remove) the new version from my system along with its associated profile. I will then add the new version back to my system and let it move my profile, address book, bookmarks, messages, etc from the 1.1.8 version to the new version. How am I doing with my thinking? Is there a better or easier way of accomplishing this task? It won't move your 1.1.X profile data, it will copy (migrate) it. I am not sure I understand this action. I know that all of my messages will be present on my old SeaMonkey application on decision day (the day I decide to move to the new version of SeaMonkey), but only some of the total messages will be present on my new version of SeaMonkey. What are the steps I will be required to take in order to make all of the messages on the old version appear on the new version at that time? I know that my profile is located at C:\Documents and Settings\frog\application Data\Mozilla\Profiles. I also know that my mail messages are also included under this Profile. If you have all your messages in the 1.1.X profile, what's the harm in deleting the 2.X profile and re-migrating the 1.1.X profile to 2.X? Just realize that any work you do in the 2.X profile before you perform the final migration is going to be thrown away (this is why you tell the 2.X version of SeaMonkey to leave messages on the server - so your 1.1.X version will be the one to download and delete them from the server). I suppose I could leave both old and new versions of this software on my system permanently. I would then simply start downloading my messages to the new version and in time it would by default become my primary version. In time, I could then remove the old version and its associated profile. That is certainly an option. Just keep in mind that if one version downloads messages and removes them from the server, the other version won't see the messages. Understand. I will have to cause the old version to leave the messages on the server and cause the new version to remove the messages when the switch is made. I would assume that you would have a trial period where you are using both - to test SM 2.X. During this time, SM 2.X will not delete any messages from the server - this is so your 1.1.X version will still pick them up. After you make your final switch to SM 2.X, don't use SM 1.1.X
